From: gourdol@imag.imag.fr (Gourdol Arnaud)
Subject: Re: A view of CyberSpace
Date: 14 Dec 90 22:30:49 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France



In article <12953@milton.u.washington.edu> sequent!szabo@RELAY.CS.NET (Nick Szab
o) writes:
>Telephones already alter our voices, though user control is 
>crude or nonexistant.  Pop stars lip-synch concerts.  TV and
>radio broadcast out-of-context "sound bites".  Most folks
>get their message altered, sometimes trivially and sometimes
>in a big way.

[ Do you know how lip-synch is said in french ?
  Play-back. Funny, eh !
]
I never felt that my voice was altered on purpose on a telephone line !
This alteration is only here for technical reasons. If we could
have no modification, it would be fine.
As for rock-starts, tvs etc. the alteration is made on-purpose by
the originator of the message.

>Think we can convince Jeff Poskanzer to stop posting "pbmplus"
>source?  We translate graphics all the time in this cyberspace,
>changing resolution and number of colors, cutting off parts, etc.
>to fit them to our individualized "decks". 

That's not what I mean with translating. Here again this
translation is made for technical reasons only. If everybody had
2Kx2k screens with 16M colors there would be no translation to do.

> Then there are more 
>sophisticated tools to just plain fake pictures, like the one of 
>Reagan, Thatcher, Kaddafi, and Arafat sitting down to dinner in 
>Newsweek.  Somewhere in between these we have colorized movies.
>Where can we draw a line?
I do not want to forbid you to make any use of the picture 
of myself, of the drawing I can make, the text I can write, the
music I can compose (well, actuaaly, I can't compose any music)
What I want is that you receive the "first hand" informations
'as is', and that every "first viewer" see it that way.
What would "Marylins" or "Mona Lisas" from Warol 'mean' if
nobody had seen the originals ? It's difficult to happen in
real world. It can easily happen in virtual-worlds.


>Is there some device-independent security scheme that can
>prevent any alterations except those specifically needed to display 
>on a device or within a certain environment?

Please ! That's not what I was intending. I do not want to
have such "security scheme" but merely conventions and savoir vivre.
>> As you can take the words
>>I am sending today and then put them in any order you wish. But
>>it's not MY message any more.
>
>I can chop up and perhaps delete some lines.  It's a long-time
>favorite Internet tactic.  
Yes, but it do not apply to the first hand message, only on a
second (or third or...) hand message.
This would be the equivalent of an "inteligent" programm
that would automagically do spell and grammar checking, then
translation to greek for all the messages you recevice (via
mail or news). Or still better, that would make a nice summary
of those messages.

>-- 
>Nick Szabo                      szabo@sequent.com
>"For historical reasons, this feature is unintelligible"
>The above opinions are my own and not related to those of any
>organization I may be affiliated with.


Arnaud.




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