Article 3711 of comp.terminals: Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.terminals Path: utkcs2!ornl!rsg1.er.usgs.gov!news.cs.indiana.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!u x1.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!c s.utexas.edu!uunet!fsi-ssd!marke From: marke@fsi-ssd.csg.ssd.fsi.com (Mark W. Easter) Subject: Re: Terminfo needed: IBM 3161 and 3163 Sender: marke@dev1.csg.ssd.fsi.com (Mark W. Easter) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: betsys@cs.umb.edu's message of 26 Oct 92 17:13:35 GMT Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 23:12:25 GMT Distribution: comp References: Organization: FlightSafety-SSD, Tulsa, OK, USA Lines: 53 Xref: utkcs2 comp.unix.admin:9752 comp.sys.sun.admin:8620 comp.terminals:3711 In article betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Sc hwartz) writes: > We have received a donation of some IBM 3161 and 3163 terminals. Does > anyone have a terminfo or termcap for these? We have Sun 3 and Sun 4's > running SunOS 4.1.1 Here ya go... # # EXECUTION ENVIRONMENT: # # IBM 3161/3163 description ibm3161|ibm3163|wy60-316X|wyse60-316X|IBM 3161/3163 display, am, mir, cr=^M, ind=^J, cols#80, it#8, lines#24, kich1=\EP\040\010, ed=\EJ, el=\EI, cup=\EY%p1%' '%+%c%p2%' '%+%c, clear=\EH\EJ, dch1=\EQ, dl1=\EO, cud1=\EB, cub1=\ED, blink=\E4D, bold=\E4H, sgr0=\E4@\E<@, invis=\E4P, rev=\E4A, cuf1=\EC, rmso=\E4@, smso=\E4A, rmul=\E4@, cuu1=\EA, smul=\E4B, sgr=\E4%'@'%?%p1%t%'A'%|%; %?%p2%t%'B'%|%; %?%p3%t%'A'%|%; %?%p4%t%'D'%|%; %?%p5%t%'@'%|%; %?%p6%t%'H'%|%; %?%p7%t%'P'%|%;%c %?%p9%t\E>A%e\E<@%;, box1=\354\361\353\370\352\355\367\365\366\364\356, box2=\354\361\353\370\352\355\367\365\366\364\356, batt2=md, ktbc=\E\0401, kil1=\EN, kbs=^H, kclr=\EL^M, kcud1=\EB, kdch1=\EQ, kel=\EI, khome=\EH, kcub1=\ED, kdl1=\EO, ktab=^I, kbtab=\E2, kcuf1=\EC, ked=\EJ, kctab=\E1, khts=\E0, kcuu1=\EA, knl=\r, kact=\E8\r, kf1=\Ea\r, kf2=\Eb\r, kf3=\Ec\r, kf4=\Ed\r, kf5=\Ee\r, kf6=\Ef\r, kf7=\Eg\r, kf8=\Eh\r, kf9=\Ei\r, kf10=\Ej\r, kf11=\Ek\r, kf12=\El\r, kf13=\E!a\r, kf14=\E!b\r, kf15=\E!c\r, kf16=\E!d\r, kf17=\E!e\r, kf18=\E!f\r, kf19=\E!g\r, kf20=\E!h\r, kf21=\E!i\r, kf22=\E!j\r, kf23=\E!k\r, kf24=\E!l\r, smcup=\E>A, rmcup=\E>A, msgr, home=\EH, bel=^G, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- /| - Mark W. Easter FlightSafety International / | /| Staff Engineer Simulation Systems Division ----------- Computer Systems Group Broken Arrow, Oklahoma 74012 Flight \ | marke@fsi.com 918-251-0500 x596 Safety \|SSD "You wreck 'em - we'll rack 'em" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article 320 of comp.terminals: Path: cs.utk.edu!ornl!sunova!linac!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland .reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!cmcl2!adm!smoke!gwyn From: gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) Newsgroups: comp.terminals Subject: Re: scrolling on ibm3101 Message-ID: <19693@smoke.brl.mil> Date: 11 Feb 93 17:12:52 GMT References: <93Feb9.005049est.156@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD. Lines: 28 In article <93Feb9.005049est.156@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> mann@vis.toronto.edu ( Richard Anthony Mann) writes: >When I insert a line (eg., in the vi editor) the whole screen below >the line is refreshed from the computer. This is slow if the terminal >is connected over a modem. >Is this a problem with .termcap entry or is it a limtation of the >terminals (ie., inability to scroll backwards)? "vi" is supposed to revert to a limited window size at low bit rates. Anyway, the general answer to the question is that some terminals do not support any means of inserting a line in the display. The IBM 3101 is among these; here is the complete termcap for it that I devised several years ago: # # IBM 3101 I9|ibm3101|IBM 3101-10:\ :cr=^M:do=^J:nl=^J:bl=^G:ct=\EH:st=\E0:\ :am:le=^H:bs:cl=\EK:li#24:co#80:nd=\EC:up=\EA:cd=\EJ:ce=\EI:\ :kd=\EB:kl=\ED:kr=\EC:ku=\EA:ho=\EH:cm=\EY%+\40%+\40:ta=^I:pt: As you can see it doesn't support very many capabilities, basically just cursoring around, clearing the screen, and setting tab stops. [Looking at this, I suspect the "ct" entry is wrong as it is the same as "ho" and the latter looks right to me. If somebody has access to an IBM 3101 manual and can find out what the code is to clear a tab stop, please let me know so I can fix this termcap entry.] Article 2039 of comp.terminals: Path: cs.utk.edu!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uiuc.edu!jeffo From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.terminals Subject: IBM 3101 key definitions? Date: 8 Mar 94 05:23:15 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 25 Message-ID: Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) NNTP-Posting-Host: owens.slip.uiuc.edu I'm wondering what are the definitions of the IBM 3101's: * function keys PF1-PF8 (Alt+1 through Alt+8 on the numeric keypad) * Cancel key (looks to be Alt+Reset) BTW: On the terminal info FTP site, there's something on IBM 31xx terminals, and the 3101 termcap entry's ct= should be \E1, not \EH. My manual tells me this (but doesn't say a word about the function keys or the Cancel key). # # IBM 3101 I9|ibm3101|IBM 3101-10:\ :cr=^M:do=^J:nl=^J:bl=^G:ct=\EH:st=\E0:\ :am:le=^H:bs:cl=\EK:li#24:co#80:nd=\EC:up=\EA:cd=\EJ:ce=\EI:\ :kd=\EB:kl=\ED:kr=\EC:ku=\EA:ho=\EH:cm=\EY%+\40%+\40:ta=^I:pt: I want to add all the keys to it (function keys and special keys), old vi support and call it a complete termcap. I'll post it and the terminfo translation when I'm done. Since there's so little this terminal can do, it's not a very long entry. Thanks for all your help. -- *NO* NeXTmail please Article 2170 of comp.terminals: Newsgroups: comp.terminals Subject: IBM 3151, comments? From: blair.groves@canrem.com (Blair Groves) Path: cs.utk.edu!darwin.sura.net!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!ukma!news2.uunet.ca!p ortnoy!canrem.com!blair.groves Distribution: world Message-ID: <60.3327.2013.0N199BA0@canrem.com> References: <2nqrf3$1g34@te6000.otc.lsu.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 94 02:31:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Lines: 16 What I know about the IBM 3151: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Looks like a typical IBM terminal, does ASCII emulations, and comes with several different kbds... has a card slot on the back that resembles PCMCIA type, to provide other emulations not standard to the unit, such as VT-220 and 320 series, and others. Setup mode is a bit wierd for those of us used to the typical TeleVideo and Wyse models, but it works. One neat thing about the 3151 is that it seems to remap the keyboard depending upon the emulation you choose, to match the key placement/functions of the terminal being emulated. All in all, not a bad unit... if you're an IBM shop its a good choice, but if not, there are many other competitors that are more experienced in the async terminal market. blair.groves@canrem.com Article 2177 of comp.terminals: Path: cs.utk.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!ione ws.io.org!nobody From: djcl@ionews.io.org (woody) Newsgroups: comp.terminals Subject: Re: IBM 3151, comments? Date: 8 Apr 1994 00:00:54 -0400 Organization: Internex Online (io.org) Data: 416-363-4151 Voice: 416-363-8676 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <2o2ktm$23t@ionews.io.org> References: <2nqrf3$1g34@te6000.otc.lsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: r-node.io.org In article <2nqrf3$1g34@te6000.otc.lsu.edu>, CRAIG ALLEN JOHNSTON wrote: >Could anyone out there who is using or has used an IBM 3151 terminal >tell me what you think of it? I'm looking into buying one, and hope to >use one before I do, but wanted your comments. We had 3151s at our workplace... when we started getting them, seemed that no two 3151s were the same, whether in keyboard, terminal emulations available, etc. IBM couldn't seem to make up its mind what one terminal was going to do from the next. Another problem that occurred was that half the time these things were powered on, there would be a keyboard "logic" error happening, which required another "hard boot"... even Radio Shack wouldn't have been caught dead trying to sell stuff that had such power-up unreliability. Maybe the current batch of terminals have their act together, but the history in our company was quite a nightmare. Speaking of different keyboards... seemed we shipped some 3151s to a client only to find the numeric keypads didn't work, and the setup was done through soemthing like control-F4 rather than control-Setup (yes, going into setup was done in seemingly random fashion). So... if you are still interested in the 3151, make sure you get a consistent batch of them, and check power-on reliability, and maybe you'll have a better experience of it. -- --- th'end --- Article 2876 of comp.terminals: Path: cs.utk.edu!stc06.CTD.ORNL.GOV!rsg1.er.usgs.gov!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich. edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!chpc.utexas.edu!news .utdallas.edu!garap1 From: garap1@utdallas.edu (Rahul M Garapaty) Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.unix.aix Subject: Re: Termcap entry for IBM 3151 Followup-To: comp.terminals,comp.unix.aix Date: 10 Sep 1994 22:43:40 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Dallas Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: <34tcqs$8sl@news.utdallas.edu> References: <33g59u$p1o@pemrac.space.swri.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ani.utdallas.edu NNTP-Posting-User: garap1 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: cs.utk.edu comp.terminals:2876 comp.unix.aix:50483 Richard, Richard Murphy (richard@pemrac.space.swri.edu) wrote: : Help! I am seeking a working termcap entry for the IBM 3151 : terminal. None of my IBM systems running AIX have such an : entry, nor do any other UNIX machines around here. I was surprized (not really...) to find so few IBM terminal entries in the termcap provided with AIX also. You should however have several terminfo entries for the IBM 3151. If your application(s) can use terminfo stuff, set your TERM variable to one of those. In AIX 3.2.5 I've got these: /usr/lib/terminfo/i # ls ibm3151* ibm3151 ibm3151-25 ibm3151-61 ibm3151-noc ibm3151-132 ibm3151-51 ibm3151-S You should find the source for these in, "/usr/lib/terminfo/ibm.ti", and with a little work you can convert the terminfo source into a termcap entry, if you _really_ need termcap. Good Luck! Rahul Article 3435 of comp.terminals: Path: cs.utk.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!usenet From: mko@csm.co.at (Michael Kofler) Newsgroups: comp.terminals Subject: Re: ibm3151,ibm3151p,pc370 (or pc350?) Date: 16 Jan 1995 09:35:06 GMT Organization: Computer Software Manufaktur Lines: 89 Message-ID: <3fdeka$1i7@c2.eunet.co.at> References: <3f5e5l$ir3@malasada.lava.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mkoat.csm.co.at X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 In article <3f5e5l$ir3@malasada.lava.net>, oracle@lava.net (Ron Ho) says: > > > > I am looking for a program for the pc that will emulate either >the ibm3151, 3151p, or the wy)pc370 (possibly pc350) terminals. If any >one has any ideas let me know. I've checked archie and I only get termcap >entries. > > Thanx... And please email the help... > >oracle@lava.net > > CSMRLW Version 3.1 (Computer Software Manufaktur Remote Login for Windows) NEW - NEW - NEW - NEW : 3151 Emulator included ====================== Terminal emulator based on WINSOCK or on RS232. 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Message-ID: <1995Mar8.135853.20691@vtf.idx.com> Sender: news@vtf.idx.com (USENET News System) Organization: IDX Systems Corporation X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 References: <3jhtu4$2v@news.bridge.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:58:53 GMT Lines: 13 I think they're pretty good. I wrote an emulator for the 3151 and the command language is pretty straight forward. Relatively feature-rich, and feature-rich enough for all apps I've ever seen them used for (ie, no one I've heard has said "we can't do this because the 3151 can't do that"). Major problem right now is that you can't get new ones. IBM has an at-least- 10 month backorder. Our company has exhausted all of our refurbished 3151 resources to get terminals for clients, and are looking into a new Wyse terminal as an interim solution... ============================================================================= Steve Mount sjjm@hawkeye.idx.com CompuServe: 73720,3404 America OnLine: Mountain Prodigy...: UYCU93A "...and Pooh rubbed his head until he had an idea..." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From: Dale Jones Newsgroups: comp.periphs Subject: In search of: IBM 3151 multi-port card Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:24:12 -0600 Organization: Ovid Technologies Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <31E6D08C.27DF@ovid.com> This credit-card-size gadget slides into the back of the 3151 and will give me four screens. I used to work with them all the time and I cannot find any more. If you know where I can get some, please let me know. TIA! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Path: cs.utk.edu!nntp.memphis.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu !news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com !zombie.ncsc.mil!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au !metro!kettle.magna.com.au!usenet Newsgroups: comp.terminals Subject: Re: 3151 Terminal Emulation Message-ID: <3vpv1q$q7f@kettle.magna.com.au> From: paul@turbosoft.com.au (Paul Brooks) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 95 17:46:58 PST References: <3up82m$1gb@smarty.smart.net> Organization: Turbosoft Pty Ltd NNTP-Posting-Host: rarp244.turbosoft.com.au X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.8 Lines: 20 In article <3up82m$1gb@smarty.smart.net>, phchen@chencompserv.com says... > >Does anyone know of a terminal emulation program for the IBM PC >running MS-DOS which emulates the 3151 terminal? We sell commercial terminal emulation packages for DOS and Windows that includes a full-featured IBM 3151 emulation, amongst others. email for your nearest distributor, pricing info and for a demonstration copy. Also, a demo copy of the Windows product 'TTWin' is available from our anonymous FTP server ftp://ftp.turbosoft.com.au/pub/ttwin/ttw1_1.exe -- Paul Brooks | paul@turbosoft.com.au | Ssshhh: Network Specialist | pwb@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au| We're hunting TurboSoft Pty Ltd | | wabbits (in 579 Harris St., Ultimo | Ph : +61 2 281 3155 | Centennial Park) ! Sydney Australia 2007 l Fax: +61 2 281 3350 | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=