The Avalyn Digest Tue Oct 15, 1996 Volume 1 : Issue 13 There are 36 messages totalling 809 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Monkees:Head 2. Silvania remixes 3. in search of slowdive videos (5) 4. Silvania 5. Unanswered questions (3) 6. MESMERIZED! Forever! 7. Did anyone notice? (6) 8. OK! I GOT IT! THANKS! 9. big takeover article (2) 10. Greek food 11. The Search for Slowdive 12. Introduction 13. to Sara Johnson (2) 14. Mojave 3 Update 15. Videos and GLASS ARCADE!? (4) 16. Rachel Goswell interview 17. mojave 3 (2) 18. that interview 19. 4AD store in London --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:59:24 -0600 (MDT) From: GRIER ANTHONY CHRISTOPER Subject: Monkees:Head With all of this obsessive talk of Silviana I feel like introducing the topic of the Monkees (since Neil is a Monkees fan..no?). Has anyone seen the motion picture the Monkees released in 1968? It is called "Head". It is totally brilliant. It deals with late sixties politics and the deconstruction of the "made for TV" band the Monkees. I wasn't expecting much when I saw it...But the fake four surprised me. It is placed in the cult section in most video stores. RENT IT NOW!! Andy Going Nowhere -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:20:17 GMT -5 From: WILDER GONZALES AGREDA <932307@cenco.ulima.edu.pe> Subject: Re: Silvania remixes > Everyone's been talking about Silvania (a band I nothing about) lately, and > the topic of remixes came up too. Someone said Autechre, Locust, and > Scorn had remixed them. Yes, and Seefeel remixed them too. > As I am a big fan these artists (esp. Autechre) > I'd be interested in finding out what disc these remixes are on. Thanks. That disc is "Delay Tambor" published on may by Elefant Records, an spanish label. Maybe you can get it by Slumberland. Regards. Wilder. --------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 20:55:47 +0100 From: agentc@io.com (Agent Cooper) Subject: in search of slowdive videos The "digiweb" page tells me that the following videos exist: Morningrise - Creation Volume 2 (1991) Shine - Promotion video (Summer 1991) Catch the Breeze - Promotion video (September 1991) Alison - Promotion video (Spring 1993) If anyone out there has a nice clean stero copy of these (on NTSC VHS tape) I'd be happy to make it worth your while. (Trade or cash.) Thanks. Byron aka Agent Cooper --------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:04:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: Re: in search of slowdive videos > Morningrise - Creation Volume 2 (1991) > Shine - Promotion video (Summer 1991) > Catch the Breeze - Promotion video (September 1991) > Alison - Promotion video (Spring 1993) > > If anyone out there has a nice clean stero copy of these (on NTSC VHS tape) > I'd be happy to make it worth your while. (Trade or cash.) Ditto! Count me in for that too! Daniel ---------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:41:59 +0100 From: agentc@io.com (Agent Cooper) Subject: Re: in search of slowdive videos GeonWWB@aol.com writes: >WHO CARES? Wow - another testament to the mental capacity of AOL users everywhere. -------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 06:45:56 -0400 From: larry@interlog.com (stereolad) Subject: Re: in search of slowdive videos >GeonWWB@aol.com writes: > >>WHO CARES? > >Wow - another testament to the mental capacity of AOL users everywhere. Yep...this is the same guy who doesn't seem to know how to unsubscribe ("REMOVE"? Don't think so) ---------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:58:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Zenki Subject: Re: in search of slowdive videos To GeonWWB: Please get the hell off this list. Your highly articulate and enlightening comment was so devoid of value and thought that I can only assume an above average chimpanzee somehow found his way to a keyboard. Obviously, everyone else on the list does care--THAT'S WHY THERE'S A MAILING LIST. I am happy to tell you that the command is "unsubscribe" not "REMOVE." The energy wasted by making people delete your astounding insight could have been used to type a few sentences of genuine thought. Zen-Drax ---------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 09:14:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: Silvania Hi everyone, Well, turns out I can get Silvania stuff from Siesta records in Spain. Elefant hasn't replied yet. But here's the poop: They are expensive! I would need to charge $11 per LP and $13 or $14 per CD. That's a lot more than I would like to charge, but the records themselves cost as much as I usually sell them for - actually more for LPs, same for CDs. Plus postage is about $2 per item. So I need to know if anyone definately wants some Silvania stuff from me. I'm going to order some for myself and a few friends anyway, but it will probably be in the next week or two, so if anyone wants stuff, let me know a.s.a.p. Here's what's available: En cielo de oceano LP/CD Paisaje III LP/CD Galas Trax 12" (I assume their prices for 12" are the same as LPs) Delay Tambor LP/CD Avalovara 7" (this would cost like $6, so I wouldn't recommend it!) Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 23:42:30 +1000 (EST) From: Anthony John Cornish <932228@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: Unanswered questions Greetings all, i've been on the mailing list for a while now, and have not really posted much stuff. So after all this time, i have come up with some questions that someone might be able to answer, and also some suggestions.... does mojave 3 have any plans to tour australia? to my knowledge, slowdive never did, but even now there is still a strong interest in the creation (and former creation) bands of the past, which could be seen when Swervedriver played here late last year. (best show i have seen in a long time) as said previously, slowdive never toured here, and they have never released and live material, so i have no idea as to how good they were in a live context. I have tried to obtain copies of bootlegs, but they always seem to fall through :( If anyone wants to help out here, i would be happy to trade for anything i have. who played bass on Ask Me Tomorrow? i also noted in the slowdive discography that thier first e.p. was released with swervedriver's raise pressed on it. The only reason quoted was that the had a 'close connection'. did anyone know then that the catalog number are very similar for the two releases ie: raise - CRECD093, and SLOWDIVE - CRESCD093, CRE093T. maybe someone just mixed up the DAT tapes? just trying to kill the conspiracy theory. Anthony... ---------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 06:54:03 -0800 From: "Kryshna R. Avina" Subject: MESMERIZED! Forever! Hey If anybody wants a WAV file of a cure song "(a thousand hours) that mesmerized have covered, let me know....We recently have been placing our songs on the computer, so....if you want them, let me know....My bandmates have informed me that our album is a bit behind schedule (they still haven't "treated" any of the guitars that the lead guitarist has recorded)...but if you all want a copy of our FIRST demo, let me know, 'cos I have alread sent some out to people...hopefuly, they have heard it by now, and they'll give me their honest opinion on it....In any case....signing off... -Kryshna Avina MESMERIZED "The Last of the Famous International Shoegazers?" "Like soaring birds I watch my sorrows play...." -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:47:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Luis B. Abcede" Subject: Did anyone notice? Souvlaki Space Station Moussaka Chaos Souvlaki and Moussaka are both ethnic dishes ... not quite sure of the origin. Just out of (extreme) curiosity, does anyone know exactly where those are from? Anybody have any idea if those are somehow related to the tracks? -LuiS- -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:31:55 -0500 (EST) From: fiddlepoke Subject: Re: Did anyone notice? > Souvlaki Space Station > Moussaka Chaos > > Souvlaki and Moussaka are both ethnic dishes ... not quite sure of the > origin. Just out of (extreme) curiosity, does anyone know exactly where > those are from? Anybody have any idea if those are somehow related to the > tracks? they're both greek food, I believe. how they relate???? -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 15:01:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "[spiral]" <99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu> Subject: Re: Did anyone notice? > Souvlaki Space Station > Moussaka Chaos > > those are from? Anybody have any idea if those are somehow related to the > tracks? when they were recording the album they were listening to the jerky boys and there is a little dealie about souvlaki and insulting someone... "shell suck yer cock like souvlaki" or something similar... thats the story i heard. they thought that was funny so they used it as an album title. im sure the other things (space station and moussaka) are realted in an obvious way.. for those of you who havent heard moussaka chaos its jsut another take of SSS. :) spiral.water ship down. -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 19:28:03 -0400 From: larry@interlog.com (stereolad) Subject: Re: Did anyone notice? >Souvlaki Space Station >Moussaka Chaos > >Souvlaki and Moussaka are both ethnic dishes ... Every dish is ethnic. "Ethnic" is not a synonym for "foreign". > not quite sure of the >origin. Just out of (extreme) curiosity, does anyone know exactly where >those are from? Anybody have any idea if those are somehow related to the >tracks? They are both Greek dishes, as someone has already pointed out, and yes, "Souvlaki" is a reference to the aforementioned Jerky Boys routine. The "Space Station" bit is a joking take on all those epics with "Towers of Dub" and stuff like that in the title. The band didn't actually know what souvlaki was at first. "Moussaka Chaos" is so named just because it's another Greek dish, and it's a remix of SSS, not an alternate take. Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:38:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "Luis B. Abcede" Subject: OK! I GOT IT! THANKS! Thank you all very much for "enlightening" me. I think I'll go back to lurking now. -LuiS- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 03:50:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: re: Unanswered Questions On Sun, 29 Sep 1996, Anthony John Cornish <932228@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> wrote: > does mojave 3 have any plans to tour australia? to my knowledge, slowdive > never did, but even now there is still a strong interest in the creation > (and former creation) bands of the past, which could be seen when > Swervedriver played here late last year. (best show i have seen in a > long time) Unfortunately, I have no idea if Mojave 3 plans on touring Australia, but I just wanted to say that Australia did the rest of the world a big favor when it comes to Swervedriver. I don't know if you read the "interview" I did with the band (posted about a year ago (?)), where they said that they figured that they would try to play their older songs again because they had never been released in Australia, and to their surprise, they sounded really really good. So, then they played them on the rest of their tour as well (including Sweden that is). The old songs really did sound fantastic "re-vamped" like that... > i also noted in the slowdive discography that thier first e.p. was > released with swervedriver's raise pressed on it. The only reason quoted > was that the had a 'close connection'. did anyone know then that the > catalog number are very similar for the two releases ie: raise - > CRECD093, and SLOWDIVE - CRESCD093, CRE093T. maybe someone just mixed up > the DAT tapes? Well, that is the most reasonable explanation I have heard about this. You are probably completely right. The band (Swervedriver) didn't know why it had happened. They just said "it's just like Creation, misprints, whatever...". //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se) ------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 22:28:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Thorne Subject: Re: big takeover article soo....has everyone read the newest big takeover? my guess is no. get it if you can because it has lots of good stuff including an interraview w/neil and ian plus a bunch o other stuff. yeah, jack is still in love w/rachel but that's ok because we all understand. for me at least it answered a lot of questions i had about the switch in styles leading up to pygmalion and then the transformation into mojave. neil seems a lot more willing to talk about his music these days. but the best part of all is the table of contents lists it like this: MOJAVE 3 slowerdive oh, and get this, they actually made money on that self-financed '94 tour will all the tshirt and tape sales. cool, so why don't other bands try the same thing? us americans ain't all dumb as a stump, ya hear? ---------------------------------- Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 06:20:19 -0400 From: larry@interlog.com (stereolad) Subject: Re: Did anyone notice? Agent C****er wrote: >>"Moussaka Chaos" is so named just because it's >>another Greek dish, and it's a remix of SSS, not an alternate take. >> >> >>Larry > >Wow - you are an anal loser. > >"It's a REMIX! Not an alternate take! A REMIX!!!!" I only said "remix" once, pal. I'm not that insistent. >A remix *IS* an alternate take. To my mind, an alternate take is where the band re-records the song from scratch. >Why don't you rub your two IQ points together and start a fire in your mind? Here's 25c - go call someone who actually thinks you're funny, you little philodox. -------------------------------- Date: 01 Oct 96 06:40:13 EDT From: Mo Holkar / UKG <100745.3625@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Greek food >Souvlaki and Moussaka are both ethnic dishes ... not quite sure of the >origin. Just out of (extreme) curiosity, does anyone know exactly where >those are from? Anybody have any idea if those are somehow related to the >tracks? Moussaka is a spicy mince and aubergine type affair with a cheesy topping. Souvlaki is bits of meat etc barbecued on a stick. Mo (who went to Greece on holiday this summer!) -------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 22:19:26 +1000 (EST) From: Anthony John Cornish <932228@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: re: Unanswered Questions > but I just wanted to say that Australia did the rest of the world a > big favor when it comes to Swervedriver. I don't know if you read the > "interview" I did with the band (posted about a year ago (?)), where > they said that they figured that they would try to play their older > songs again because they had never been released in Australia, and to > their surprise, they sounded really really good. So, then they played > them on the rest of their tour as well (including Sweden that is). > The old songs really did sound fantastic "re-vamped" like that... i must admit i only had a few singles of swervedrivers when i went to see them, but i can now say i'm sure they played songs including Rave Down, Sandblasted, Son Of Mustang Ford and possibly Deep Seat. The highlight of the night was the extended encore performance of Duress. Where could i get a copy of the previously mentioned 'interview'? Anthony ---------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:14:29 -0400 (EDT) From: grilledcheese Subject: Re: Did anyone notice? On Mon, 30 Sep 1996, fiddlepoke wrote: > > Souvlaki and Moussaka are both ethnic dishes ... not quite sure of the > > they're both greek food, I believe. i have had several souvlaki samdwiches at the local gyro wrap.. good stuff. but its spelled differently, only one letter tho. i think theres no o. ee suvlaki. mike --------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Thorne Subject: Re: big takeover article On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Kryshna R. Avina wrote: > Where can we get this Big Takeover? I should have ansered this in my original post. They have a web page now. It's http://members.aol.com/bigtake i'm sure it'll give you more info than i could. aaron --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 23:13:12 -0400 From: Maston@aol.com Subject: The Search for Slowdive As a long-time fan and admirer of Slowdive, i believe it is time for me to begin the search for their stuff in other media besides music. I am looking for someone who can help me find copies of the Slowdive videos. I am willing to pay for the video tape, postage, as well as a nominal fee for copying these. If there is anyone out there who can help me, drop me a line. Thanks Jason -------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:22:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "sara johnson" Subject: Introduction Hello everyone, I thought that since i'm new to the list that i should introduce myself...well, here goes. i'm a sophomore at the u on mn, duluth. majoring in planetary science and german. i've been a huge fan of slowdive since just for a day came out, i think that was about 4 or 5 years ago. i'm not so impressed with mojave 3 though, i've listened to it a few times, but it doesn't grab me like slowdive did. oh well, i also like labradford, bowery electric, cure, sisters of mercy, clan of xymox, and some misc. other stuff. i'm in search of the Holding Our Breath ep? and also any bootlegs. i have morningrise and slowdive on vinyl and would like to find them on cd. so...if any kind person can help me or tell me where this stuff is available i would very much appreciate it. Sara --------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:14:48 +0100 From: agentc@io.com (Agent Cooper) Subject: to Sara Johnson >i have morningrise and slowdive on vinyl and would like to find them on > cd. so...if any kind person can help me or tell me where this stuff is > available i would very much appreciate it. You can get Morningrise on compact disc from Siren Discs. Find them at http://sirencd.com Who ISN'T looking for Holding Our Breath? -------------------------------- Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 21:33:27 -0400 From: larry@interlog.com (stereolad) Subject: Re: to Sara Johnson >>i have morningrise and slowdive on vinyl and would like to find them on >> cd. so...if any kind person can help me or tell me where this stuff is >> available i would very much appreciate it. > >You can get Morningrise on compact disc from Siren Discs. Find them at >http://sirencd.com > >Who ISN'T looking for Holding Our Breath? I'm certainly not. And my copy is not for sale either. --------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 07:21:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Mojave 3 Update And what did I find in my mailbox the other day do you ask? Yes, a new letter from Rachel! Here's what it said [edited]: > Date: 30 Sep 96 18:09:57 EDT > From: Rachel Goswell > Subject: Update > > a brief update before we go away on tour... > > Have been on the Mojave ranch (well it's a farm actually) for the last > month. The studio is now finished and in full working order. We are demoing > a few new songs for 4AD. 4 days ago Poppy (our piano player) left the band. > We weren't expecting this to happen at all, and she left for personal > reasons. So we have a week to go before our European tour start, and we > have just found a replacement. His name is Al Forester, and he has the > daunting task of learning all our songs within 4 days. Still, he's a > bright chap, so I'm sure it'll be fine. So now following is the full > list of gigs: > > October > 9th - Oxford - Zodiac Club > 10th - London - Dingwalls > 12th - Amsterdam - Paradiso > 14th - Arhus - Huset > 15th - Copenhagen - Loppen > 16th - Stockholm - Studion > 17th - Gothenberg - Underground > 18th - Malmo - KB > 21st - Hamburg - Logo > 22nd - Berlin - Knaack/Loft (not sure which) > 24th - Bochum - bhf.langerndreer > 25th - Koln - Music Factory > 26th - Leipzig - Werk II > 27th - Munich - Backstage > 30th - Vienna - Szene Wien > > November > 1st - Nyon - Usine a Gaz > 2nd - Zurich - El International > 3rd - La Chaux-de-Fonds - P'tit Paris > 5th - Brussels - Botanique > 6th - Nijmegen - 042 > 8th - Strasbourg - La Laiterie. > > Okay, that's all folks. > warm regards, > Rachel. //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se) ------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:35:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: Videos and GLASS ARCADE!? Hey all, I just saw the page for Slowdive through lysator.liu.se, and was extremely surprised to see in the discography 2 tracks I hadn'e heard of by Slowdive which are on the Glass Arcade Compliation! Why haven't I heard about this before? Was there a limited edition with the Slowdive tracks, or has no one mentioned it because no one knows about it? Also, it has been asked before, but no one has responded - Can ANYONE help out and make video copies of the Slowdive videos?!?! I would LOVE to see them! Somebody has to have the videos and have dubbing capabilities! Daniel -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 21:22:58 -0400 From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Videos and GLASS ARCADE!? >I just saw the page for Slowdive through lysator.liu.se, and was >extremely surprised to see in the discography 2 tracks I hadn'e heard of >by Slowdive which are on the Glass Arcade Compliation! Why haven't I heard >about this before? Was there a limited edition with the Slowdive tracks, >or has no one mentioned it because no one knows about it? Actually, I wrote to Sarah records (RIP) the label which the Glass Arcade Compliation appears, and inquired about this very subject. Clare told me that the group named Eternal had Slowdive's (Original) drummer in it, Christian something? I can't think of right now. That was the only connection between Sarah Records and Slowdive. It's a very Slowdive-ish song, but not really considered to be a pre-slowdive band he didn't write Slowdive songs. ----------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 06:47:57 -0400 From: larry@interlog.com (stereolad) Subject: Re: Videos and GLASS ARCADE!? >> I just saw the page for Slowdive through lysator.liu.se, and was >>extremely surprised to see in the discography 2 tracks I hadn'e heard of >>by Slowdive which are on the Glass Arcade Compliation! Why haven't I heard >>about this before? As Jeff more or less pointed out: basically, because it's not Slowdive. >Actually, I wrote to Sarah records (RIP) the label which the Glass Arcade >Compliation appears, and inquired about this very subject. Clare told me >that the group named Eternal had Slowdive's (Original) drummer in it, >Christian something? I can't think of right now. The group had Christian the guitarist in it. When he left to join Slowdive, that was the end of Eternal. ----------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 13:40:16 -0400 From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Videos and GLASS ARCADE!? I said: >>Actually, I wrote to Sarah records (RIP) the label which the Glass Arcade >>Compliation appears, and inquired about this very subject. Clare told me >>that the group named Eternal had Slowdive's (Original) drummer in it, >>Christian something? I can't think of right now. sterolad said: >The group had Christian the guitarist in it. When he left to join Slowdive, >that was the end of Eternal. Ahhh yes, I think you're right. well, I was sort of right. thanks for setting it straight. I'll have to dig out that letter again. jeff -------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 22:48:19 +0100 From: peter Subject: Rachel Goswell interview hi. Just wanted to tell that i've done an intreview with Rachel from Mojave 3 which can be seen at http://www.harald.pi.se/peter/rachel. There's just one problem... it's in swedish... /peter ------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 18:03:10 +0300 (EET DST) From: Peter Peltonen Subject: mojave 3 I finally got a copy of Mojave 3's "Ask me tomorrow" (thanks Erik!). And my first impressions... Are good. Actually very good. It is not Slowdive but it isn't supposed to be, right? I like the "slowness" of the songs, the gentle touch.. A record that I probably will like to listen to often before going to bed. Dreamy. -- Peter pisara@dystopia.fi --------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 12:20:39 -0700 From: murmur@napanet.net (joe borreson) Subject: that interview soooooooo is there any way that any certain persons out there could do a translated version for us silly english speakers regarding this interview with Rachel?????? -and also.. just wanted to mention something real quick..sort of a plug i guess; the band "love spirals downwards" has a new album that has a VERY pygmalion era slowdive-ish song on it called "promises" which sounds like it could have been an out take or even belonged on pygmalion.. very very good album by the way.. they play a version of mohave 3's " mercy" in thier live set as well..... anyone intereseted write back to me..bye for now.. joe (formally windblows@aol.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 15:45:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Zenki Subject: Re: mojave 3 > I finally got a copy of Mojave 3's "Ask me tomorrow" (thanks Erik!). > And my first impressions... > > Are good. Actually very good. It is not Slowdive but it isn't supposed > to be, right? I like the "slowness" of the songs, the gentle touch.. > A record that I probably will like to listen to often before going > to bed. Dreamy. Yes! At last someone points out that it isn't Slowdive without making it sound like a complaint. :) -------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 23:15:30 +0100 From: peter Subject: 4AD store in London hi. in one week i'm leaving the cold winter (hm..) in stockholm, sweden to head for the warn summer of london (yeah right)... i was hoping someone out there could help me with one thing i would like to know before leaving.. and that is; does 4AD have a store in london? or maybe too pure? if they have i would love if you told me some kind of adress of anything so that i can find it. thanks.. /peter ------------------------------- End of The Avalyn Digest #1.13 ****************************** * To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Digest version of the list, send your request (including the word "DIGEST") to: avalyn-request@lysator.liu.se * To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Live version of the list, send your request to: avalyn-request@lysator.liu.se * The maintainer of both mailing lists is chief@lysator.liu.se, and can also be reached at owner-avalyn@lysator.liu.se * All messages to the Live mailing list should be sent to: avalyn@lysator.liu.se * The digests can also be found in in ASCII format at ftp.lysator.liu.se /pub/texts/uxu/avalyn and in HTML format at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html.