The Charlatans Digest Thu Aug 15, 1996 Volume 2 : Issue 19 There are 66 messages totalling 1403 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Hmmm?!? (8) 2. desert thinggy 3. ??? 4. Opinions Please (5) 5. the 'sis bollocks. (2) 6. Desert Island Question (4) 7. ken 8. Desert Island Discs (10) 9. Ok, why not, 10 for eternity (2) 10. Paris Angels (2) 11. One to Another,JTQ, The White Room/ Mark Radcliffe, Big Kahuna 12. Sheer Heresy 13. nooo (8) 14. Rob... 15. Charlatans w/Paul Weller 16. not charlatans related but anyways... 17. Bootlegs (3) 18. Movin' On Up Now 19. Rob Collins RIP (From this weeks NME) 20. Nothing to do with The Charlatans but... 21. Fan club 22. up to date now. (8) 23. Graham Cawsey's home page 24. Living, breathing, tinkling --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tue, 06 Aug 1996 20:15:55 -0700 From: Patrick Treanor Subject: Re: Hmmm?!? Flosse wrote: > To be honest: > this is my first own letter to this list altough i´ve been reading all the > messages for quite some time. > > Well i just want to ask you all out there one question: > > Pretend you are to be send to an island all alone for the rest of your life. > Noone would be there. And the only thing that you could take with you would be > 10 LP's CD's or Cassettes of your own. Which would you take with you??? My first time writing as well, Here's my desert island list 1. Stone Roses - "stone roses" 2. Charlatans - some freindly 3. Happy Mondays - pills thrills..... 4. The Cure - faith/carnage visors 5. Jesus & Mary Chain - Darklands 6. Stereo MC's - Connected 7. Various - HELP 8. Echo & The Bunnymen - songs to learn & sing 9. Corduroy - high havoc 10. Beck - Odelay (could change if Heavy Stereo ever release an album) Let me know what you think, Pattrik, catscan@earthlink.net ------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 96 03:24:55 UT From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: RE: Hmmm?!? > Pretend you are to be send to an island all alone for the rest of your life. > Noone would be there. And the only thing that you could take with you would be > 10 LP's CD's or Cassettes of your own. Which would you take with you??? (no particular order) Beatles - Revolver Robyn Hitchcock - Black Snake Diamond Role Ride - Nowhere Boo Radleys - Giant Steps The Stone Roses - eponymous Moose - Live a Little Love a Lot Parliament - Greatest Hits (The Bomb) Spiritualized - Pure Phase Verve - A Northern Soul The Charlatans - eponymous .... along with more charlies,beatles,boo,verve,maybe some 'sis,or some sly,bird,lady day...and so on cheers Kenneth p.s. Hello Winns and Brown ------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:16:47 -0700 From: jhowe@ccinet.ab.ca (Jen Howe) Subject: Re: Hmmm?!? Can't not answer to this one. Here are my albums: 1.Between 10th & 11th - The Charlatans 2.The Charlatans - The Charlatans 3.Paul's Boutique - The Beastie Boys 4.Odelay - Beck 5.Complete Stone Roses - Stone Roses 6.Leisure - Blur 7.1977 - Ash 8.Definitely Maybe - Oasis 9.His 'n Hers - Pulp 10.Radiohead - The Bends Jen --------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:28:51 -0500 (CDT) From: tecwritr@wichita.fn.net (John Ball) Subject: Re: Hmmm?!? Top ten huh? 1. exit plant dust. the bros 2. hot trip to heaven. love and rockets 3. up to our hips(feel flows,patrol,I never want an easy life.....) 4. a storm in heaven. the verve "I like the way it was I hate the way it is....." 5. pink opaique. cocteau twins (I would not be able to go on w\out liz) 6. orbital 2. Orbital(halycon+on+on + remind) 7. dummy. portishead (tragic beauty, the mellon collie and other sad overtones would sound fitting on a deserted isle) 8. pauls boutique. B boys (eggman, looking down, and science sounds) 9. tactical neural implant. frontline assembly (the best of pure industrial ie no strings) 10.tiger bay (import w\ western wind/tankerville) I'd also sneak a single, jesus hairdo cause "you know who I am anyway though! king of what? king of style......shit I gots styles already thats mo complex that nobody know about, I mean superduty tough but see this is just simulight what I would call it but if I really get into it and start camoflagin it....shit I don't even think you'll be able to read it." LONG LIVE ENGLISH MUSIC (and a quick and painful death to the afgan whigs america has much better to offer.... Hell the religous right has more to offer..... sorry dan I'm usually right there with you bro, but had to call you on the whigs) here's to rob collins not resting in peace..... I hope to break into heaven(valhalla) and hear him jammin with john lennon, jimmy hendrix, john bonham, and jim morrison. now theres a band that just might make the deserted islands top ten? Thankyou ever so for being so ever you forever. 2 4 2 ------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:56:10 +0100 (BST) From: Christo Subject: desert thinggy my ten tunes would be 1). Stone Roses - The Stone Roses 2). Sargent Peppers - The Beatles 3). Division Bell - Pink Floyd 4). Everything Must Go - Manic Street Peachers 5). Snivilistation - Obital 6). (What's the Story) Morning Glory - Oasis 7). The dodgy album - Dodgy 8). The Piper at the Gates of Dawn - Pink Floyd 9). Second Coming - The Stone Roses 10). Together Alone - Crowded house There you go folks. -------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:40:21 +0930 (GMT+0930) From: "Peter D." <9408427b@ntx.City.UniSA.edu.au> Subject: ??? hey everyone, Has anyone heard any latest news about the new charlies keyboard player? I'm really anxious to know, but no-one will ever replace Rob he was one in million, no, one in trillion.... forever charlatans fan Kate --------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:11:01 +0200 From: "and I just can't contain, the feelin' still remains..." Subject: Re: Opinions Please I'm sure I've heard the Stone Roses do a cover... A Jimi hendrix track at Wembley DEc. 95 --------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:30:49 +0200 From: "and I just can't contain, the feelin' still remains..." Subject: Re: the 'sis bollocks. Suede Suck. --------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:48:37 -0400 From: debevans@barint.on.ca (deborah evans) Subject: Re: Desert Island Question oooh, i want in on this too: Charltatans - between 10th and 11th St. etienne - tiger bay trash can sinatras - cake the verve - a storm in heaven revolver - baby's angry ride - going blank again red house painters - no title one with rollercoaster on cover supreems - anthology or greatest hits (doesn't really matter) dodgy - the dodgy album small faces - a decent anthology or greatest hits (although, i'd have to try and smuggle jesus and mary chain's darklands and the smiths the queen is dead along as well since i'd not be able to survive without either of these.) --------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:11:54 +0200 From: "and I just can't contain, the feelin' still remains..." Subject: Re: ken Was R.C (rip) drink driving? --------------------------- Date: 07 Aug 1996 14:51:14 EDT From: "JNOVOTN1" Subject: Desert Island Discs I've thought about this, and seeing as how I love so many bands, this was not an easy task. In no particular order, here they are: 1) Pixies-Trompe Le Monde 2) Husker Du-Warehouse: Songs and Stories 3) Jawbreaker-Dear You 4) The Charlatans-Up to Our Hips 5) Catherine Wheel-Chrome 6) Sugar-Copper Blue/Beaster 7) The Clash-the Clash (U.K. Version) 8) The Buzzcocks- Singles Going Steady 9) The Smiths-Louder Than Bombs 10) Red House Painters-Red House Painters (rollercoaster) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:53:08 -0500 From: sbrown@netexpress.net (shane) Subject: Re: Desert Island Question >oooh, i want in on this too: > >Charltatans - between 10th and 11th >St. etienne - tiger bay >trash can sinatras - cake >the verve - a storm in heaven >revolver - baby's angry GOOD LORD! ANOTHER REVOLVER FAN! Wow! I didn't think anybody else had even HEARD of them!!!! I looooove Revolver, despite all the bad press they used to get. Crimson is still one of my all time faves. Does anybody have any idea what any of them are doing now? I know that Mat helped out on Paula from the Drop 19's solo album, but that's where I lost track. Reminiscing Boy, shane --------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:56:33 +0100 From: "F.R.O.Chiorando" Subject: desert island discs 10 albums, 1 island, 1.the stone roses 2.some friendly 3.the second coming 4.the charlatans 5.pills,thrills and bellyaches-happy mondays 6.definitely maybe-oasis 7.expecting to fly-bluetones 8.ogden's nut gone flake-small faces 9.high tide and green grass-rolling stones 10.my generation-the who paul weller, the kinks and the beatles would all be in reserve. cheers, fab. ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 01:19:16 -0400 From: ShamanBart@aol.com Subject: Ok, why not, 10 for eternity Wow. The desert island special seems to have caught on quite nicely. There have been several inspired picks out there (Corduroy, Cardigans, Sly and the Family Stone--awesome). I certainly respect all those who picked some obvious greats. I'll stick my cahunas out there for a moment. Desert island faves: Complete Stone Roses Ride--Tarantula (with Black Nite Crash single, please, if I may cheat on one) James Taylor Quartet--Supernatural Feeling Black Grape--It's Great When... (got to keep dancing so the tsetse flies won't get you) Pale Fountains--Pacific Street (10 points for anyone who remembers these guys) Paul Weller--1st solo Charlatans--self titled Cardigans--Life Mother Earth--the People Tree Beatles--Help! (for good luck!) Unfortunately, if someone rescued you, then you would be sick of your 10 albums forever and wouldn't listen to them again. Ooh, what a drag. Does anyone know when the new Charlatans single is due out? Or did I miss that e-mail? ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 08:41:52 BST From: etllett@etlxdmx.ericsson.se (Lee Talbot XD/DF x1844) Subject: Re: Ok, why not, 10 for eternity > Does anyone know when the new Charlatans single is due out? Or did I miss > that e-mail? The new single is out in the UK on August 26th according to the NME this week. /Lee 10 days to V96! -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:10:37 -0700 From: ryan@paragon.co.uk (Ryan Butt) Subject: Re: Opinions Please >I'm sure I've heard the Stone Roses do a cover... > >A Jimi hendrix track at Wembley DEc. 95 Rep - Surely that must have been Love Spreads - their rather splendid first single off of Second Coming which borrows certain guitar licks from Mr Hendrix. Although I'm sure you're not dumb enough to mistake the two. Ryan ------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:36:16 +0100 From: matthew@sar.dra.hmg.gb (Matthew Hayes) Subject: Desert Island Discs My ten desert island discs would be, The Charlatans - Up to our hips The Beatles - Revolver Verve - A Northern Soul The Stone Roses - Stone Roses Spacemen three - Translucent Flashbacks Ride - Going Blank Again The Kinks - Lolo vs. Powerman and the Monetrgound My Bloody Valentine - Loveless Swervedriver - Lolo. vs Powerman and the Moneyground Spiritualized - Electric Mainline - Pure Phase And a salection of others..... Mat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:26:26 +0200 From: "and I just can't contain, the feelin' still remains..." Subject: Re: Opinions Please I am absolutely positive they did do a hendrix cover....Purple haze... last song Wemb. dec. 95... on the top 10 band wagon.. no order. The Who Quadrophrenia The Doors The Best of... The Charaktans The Charlatans The Beatles The White Album The Rolling Stones Hot Rocks The Pixies ? ( 'chained is on it ) The Sex Pistols Nevermind the bollocks Ride Nowhere Scan X Chrome II Chemical Bros. Exit PLanet Dust ...Van Morrison( astral Weeks ) and David Bowie ( diamond dogs ) just missed out..and an Oasis b-side compilation would've made had it been an album.. bye Frankie -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 10:09:36 -0400 From: debevans@barint.on.ca (deborah evans) Subject: Re: Desert Island Question >GOOD LORD! ANOTHER REVOLVER FAN! Wow! I didn't think anybody else had even >HEARD of them!!!! I looooove Revolver, despite all the bad press they used >to get. Crimson is still one of my all time faves. > >Does anybody have any idea what any of them are doing now? I know that Mat >helped out on Paula from the Drop 19's solo album, but that's where I lost >track. i heard they split up. but, i'm not sure on that one. hopefully they didn't really split since without them and chapterhouse i'd be so sad. --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:20:58 +0100 (BST) From: "D.C. Horne" Subject: Paris Angels Can anybody remember the Paris Angels (late 80s, early 90s), does anybody know what has happened to them? yours Dave ---------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:12:39 +0200 From: "and I just can't contain, the feelin' still remains..." Subject: Re: Desert Island Question Tommorrow never knows( revolver ) is the best beatles trck..bar none. --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 07:25:18 PDT From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" Subject: Re: Opinions Please that wasn't the roses. reni wasn't there. -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:25:49 +0100 (BST) From: Lynch KT Subject: One to Another,JTQ, The White Room/ Mark Radcliffe, Big Kahuna On Mon, 5 Aug 1996 ShamanBart@aol.com wrote: > What a crap idea, more like! While I am not totally adverse to the > Inspirals, their annoying use of a wheezing, squealing Farfisa organ totally > shut them off my buying list. Sorry, James Taylor of JTQ is 10 K better. I managed to get tickets for the recording of The White Room ( a UK live music show) last week and managed to have a chat with Mark Radcliffe (the presenter and a Radio 1 DJ). After a while we got on to the subject of the Charlatans, apparently the band were schedueled to make a live appearance on the show to coincide with the new single in a few weeks time, however after Rob's death it was immediatley cancelled, but the offer was left open for the band to play by the shows producers if they changed their mind, and it now looks likely they'll be on the show soon. Look out for it! Mark also said that James Taylor from JTQ was drafted in to replace Rob for a few gigs at the time of Rob's prison spell (I don't honestly remember this happening but I wasn't going to argue with him) and that he would be the obvious short term replacement. With Duffy being drafted in this doesn't seem to be the case. Has anybody been to The Big Kahuna Burger Bar on a Friday at Smithfields, Tim is a regular there and sometimes DJ's as are the Chemical Brothers, Coldcut, some of Primal Scream, St Ettiene (Sarah Cracknell in the flesh: even better than in the video's lads!), James Dean Bradfield. Deffinitely the coolest place to be on a Friday if you're in London - you all must go. The last time I was there was in June, Tim was there and he got mobbed by a load of Japanese tourists! They didn't say anything but just followed him around all night - bizarre! For those of you who haven't heard the new single - SUCKERS!!!!!!! It's a real grower, sounds a lot like Sympathy For The Devil, there's even a bit were Tim sings 'pleased to meet you', it's produced by one of the Chemical Brothers and is dead groovy. You won't be dissapointed. In this age of any old indie band getting a Top 10 hit in the UK charts, I'm going to put a bet on at the local bookies that it's going to be a number 1. Lot's of Love Kev. XXXX p.s. Elastica must be destroyed: become friends through Steve Llamacq via boyfriend, get a record deal on Llamacq's Deceptive label therefore assuring much over-inthusiastic press coverage (Steve still has his music press links) and radio airplay (on Steve's very own radio 1 show). Despite the fact that the band are talentless, sing about nothing (Justine's dad designed Canary Wharf so it's unlikely you'll hear her singing about hardship), and have a greater realiance on other peoples material to 'create' their own songs than the Barron Knights or Wierd Al Yankovic, their debut album sells by the bucket load largely due to the fact too many 'music fans' are infact sheep unable to see past music press hype, unable to decide for themselves if they actually like a band and instead buy records that they are are 'supposed' to like. I have yet to meet one person who actually likes Elastica. Beats slagging off Oasis. --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 09:31:49 PDT From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" Subject: Re: Opinions Please P.S. The Roses haven't ever done a cover and never will. -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 09:43:42 PDT From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" Subject: RE: Hmmm?!? Here's mine I guess: 1.Stone Roses-Stone Roses 2.What the World is Waiting For- Stone Roses 3.Turns Into Stone- Stone Roses 4.Second Coming-Stone Roses 5.II-Led Zepplin 6.Some Friendly-Charlatans 7.Turtle Soup-Mock Turtles 8.20 essential tracks-The Byrds 9.The Charlatans 10.Sally Cinnamon-Stone Roses Been listening to the Roses since '88, and I still can't stop. In 10 years, it'll still be the same. (I hope) -Cresser -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 09:49:33 PDT From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" Subject: Re: Sheer Heresy That would be an insult to Rob if Clint Boon stepped in. It just wouldn't happen. I was listening to the new Ride album yesterday, they're using a B3, or is it a C3, anyways they've split up... ------------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 18:43:08 +0100 From: Neil Myers Subject: Re: the 'sis bollocks. At 03:30 pm 07/08/96 +0200, CMSCMULL@liverpool-john-moores.ac.uk wrote: >Suede Suck. Thank you for that observation! ------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:00:06 EST5EDT From: "jim lowe" Subject: Re: desert island discs > 10 albums, 1 island, I kept on promising myself that I wouldn't join in, but... 10) Exile on Main Street by the Rolling Stones Easily the Stones' most complete album, and my favourite. I couldn't imagine not taking this one with me. 9) Abbey Road by the Beatles I know...a pretty generic and common choice. I don't care...its a fantastic album. 8) Some Friendly by the Charlatans Well, I don't need to explain this one! 7) New Wave by the Autuers The most underrated album of all-time. 6) Pet Sounds by the Beach Boys Its unbelievable that people think of "Surfin' USA" when they ponder the Beach Boys, instead of this incredible album (which is 100 times better than Sgt. Pepper, BTW). 5) The Charlatans by the Charlatans Goes without saying. 4) Definitely Maybe by Oasis Good solid, swaggering rock and roll. 3) Parklife by Blur The best album of the 1990's. 2) Stone Roses by the Stone Roses The best album of the 1980's. 1) Revolver by the Beatles The best album...of all-time. You know what? I'm still not happy with this list...I wish I could include some Led Zepplin, David Bowie, Black Sabbath, Happy Mondays, the La's and maybe another Blur album in there! jim --------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 Aug 96 14:04:23 PDT From: Xantha Stringfellow Subject: Re: desert island discs You did NOT just say that some Beach Boys album is better than Sgt Pepper's!! You did NOT!! (Well, Jim....I guess there's just no hiding that you're a white guy!!!) Xantha ---------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 21:17:56 -0400 From: debevans@barint.on.ca (deborah evans) Subject: Re: desert island discs >You did NOT just say that some Beach Boys album is better than Sgt Pepper's!! >You did NOT!! (Well, Jim....I guess there's just no hiding that you're a white >guy!!!) > >Xantha > Actually, I've heard that exact thing from a lot of other people and a lot of industry type of places. I do believe that I even read that Paul Macartny said that it was one of the most influencial records of all time as well. And I have to support jim in his claim that it is nothing like the surfin' USA type of beach boys stuff. I didn't think that was possible but upon constant harrassment from a friend I gave it a chance to be pleasantly surprised. Here today becoming one of my favourite songs of the 1960s - ever. Two other bands that rival the beatles IMHO are the Left Banke and the Walker brothers, with the hollies and byrds coming in close behind. And I know, I know not charlatans related. I just wanted to support jim's claim that Pet Sounds is a bloody brilliant album. ---------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:42:42 -0400 From: O2bBritish@aol.com Subject: Re: Hmmm?!? Definitely Maybe by Oasis (What's the Story) Morning Glory? by Oasis Stone Roses (self titled) Second Coming by the Stone Roses Suede (self titled) Different Class by Pulp Some Friendly by the Charlatans Up to Our Hips by the Charlatans Between the 10th and 11th by the Charlatans The Charlatans UK (self titled) ------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:05:23 -0700 From: ryan@paragon.co.uk (Ryan Butt) Subject: Re: Hmmm?!? >Definitely Maybe by Oasis >(What's the Story) Morning Glory? by Oasis >Stone Roses (self titled) >Second Coming by the Stone Roses >Suede (self titled) >Different Class by Pulp >Some Friendly by the Charlatans >Up to Our Hips by the Charlatans >Between the 10th and 11th by the Charlatans >The Charlatans UK (self titled) What about some Hawkwind or Marillion? Ryan ------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:34:58 +0200 From: "and I just can't contain, the feelin' still remains..." Subject: Re: nooo does there ever be charlatan bootlegs? ..and how good are their b-sides.? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:39:55 +0200 From: "and I just can't contain, the feelin' still remains..." Subject: Re: Rob... charlatans on T.V Later with Jools Holland tomorrow sat. at BBC2 12.10pm and The White Room next Fri. 11.35pm. happy now. Frankie? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:14:27 EST5EDT From: "jim lowe" Subject: Re: desert island discs > You did NOT just say that some Beach Boys album is better than Sgt Pepper's!! > You did NOT!! (Well, Jim....I guess there's just no hiding that you're a > white guy!!!) Even Paul McCartney admits that "Pet Sounds" is better than "Sgt. Pepper". It really is a remarkable, and revoloutionary, album that I strongly reccomend picking up. jim -------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:56:13 -0400 From: Stephen Fenn <106102.3351@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: nooo You want charlatans bootlegs? I've got quite a few. Drop me a line and i'll tell you what there is. Their b-sides rule, by the way -------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:19:32 EST5EDT From: "jim lowe" Subject: Re: nooo > does there ever be charlatan bootlegs? Sadly, there are only a few charlatan bootlegs floating around. One of the best is "Hot Licks"; excellent sound quality, and a good mix of songs from the first album. > ..and how good are their b-sides.? Hit and miss. "Happen to Die" is one of the best songs by any band ever made. "Stir It Up" is also pretty cool. jim -------------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 Aug 96 08:39:29 PDT From: Xantha Stringfellow Subject: Re: desert island discs >Actually, I've heard that exact thing from a lot of other people and a lot >of industry type of places. I do believe that I even read that Paul >Macartny said that it was one of the most influencial records of all time as >well. And I have to support jim in his claim that it is nothing like the >surfin' USA type of beach boys stuff. I didn't think that was possible but >upon constant harrassment from a friend I gave it a chance to be pleasantly >surprised. Here today becoming one of my favourite songs of the 1960s - >ever. Two other bands that rival the beatles IMHO are the Left Banke and >the Walker brothers, with the hollies and byrds coming in close behind. > >And I know, I know not charlatans related. I just wanted to support jim's >claim that Pet Sounds is a bloody brilliant album. Obviously Jim paid you a lot of money to write that message.... ----------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 10:23:20 PDT From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" Subject: Re: nooo Yeah man, my fave bootleg is Hotlicks, its pretty easy to find too. The b-sides are really cool. Check out the 'Then' single. The b-side is 'Taurus Moaner' its one of my favourite songs by the charlatans. Another reccomendation is the b-side to Tremelo song. -Cresser. ----------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 18:49:20 +0100 From: Graham Cawsey Subject: Re: nooo I wouldn't mind some Charlatans bootlegs. At 09:56 09/08/96 -0400, you wrote: >You want charlatans bootlegs? I've got quite a few. Drop me a line and >i'll tell you what there is. Their b-sides rule, by the way Graham... "See my bootlegs at http://www.freeweb.nethead.co.uk/gcawsey" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 96 11:35:24 PDT From: Xantha Stringfellow Subject: Re: nooo >Sadly, there are only a few charlatan bootlegs floating around. > >One of the best is "Hot Licks"; excellent sound quality, and a good mix >of songs from the first album. Jim has many bootlegs...but just don't ask him to trade any with you. You'll NEVER get anything!! ------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:07:47 -0400 From: Stephen Fenn <106102.3351@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: nooo Here's what I have at the moment: Live Tapes: Newcastle 29 October 1990 (also on video) (audio also includes some stuff from London 12 May 1995) Brighton Daytripper 1993 London 25 November 1995 London (unknown date ) late 1994 London (unknown date) early 1992 Other: TV and Radio Sessions from 1995 (tv stuff also on video) 15/25 Festival, Manchester, 1990 (also on video) The New Sessions Manchester, April 1990 (also on video) Did have bootleg CD "They Don't Want To See The Sights" but it's been pinched Trades welcome ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:03:57 -0400 From: Jim Lowe Subject: Re: nooo At 11:35 AM 8/9/96 PDT, Xantha Stringfellow wrote: >Jim has many bootlegs...but just don't ask him to trade any with you. You'll >NEVER get anything!! You're going to get an awful surprise in the mail next week, then! jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:31:41 -0400 From: SPROSTON GREEN Subject: Reply to: Re: Hmmm?!? 10 RIDE....Nowhere 09 MASSIVE ATTACK....PROTECTION 08 MY BLOODY VALENTINE...LOVELESS 07 THE STONE ROSES...SHOOT YOU DOWN(LIVE AT THE BLACKPOOL SHOW) 06 THE CHARLATANS...UP TO OUR HIPS 05 THE BLUETONE ....EXPECTING TO FLY 04 THE CHARLATANS...THE CHARLATANS 03 HAPPY MONDAYS....PIILS N THRILLS 02 GOLDIE....TIMELESS 01 THE STONE ROSES...THE STONE ROSES ------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:53:55 -0400 From: SPROSTON GREEN Subject: Reply to: Paris Angels one of the chemical bros was in the paris angels ....corrct me if i am wrong lazyitis james ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:08:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Charlatans w/Paul Weller So, the Charlatans are going on tour with Paul Weller later in August are they! Well well well... anyone have the tour schedule handy??? Regarding the Knebworth gig - I know BBC (radio) are recording the Oasis concert, because they broadcast it here in Sweden the day after - and MTV Europe is broadcasting bits and pieces (or is it the whole thing?) from the Oasis concert live tomorrow. But what about our heroes The Charlatans!? Anyone know if _anyone_ is broadcasting _anything_ with them? Or is this another "Oasis takes over the world" thing?! //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se) // Never forget: The Charlatans DIGEST mailing list is out there! // // send your subscribe message to: then-request@lysator.liu.se // // and get everything without tons of headers, neatly formatted // ------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:18:05 +1000 (EST) From: Kate McCarthy Subject: not charlatans related but anyways... >>You did NOT just say that some Beach Boys album is better than Sgt Pepper's!! >>You did NOT!! (Well, Jim....I guess there's just no hiding that you're a white >>guy!!!) >> >>Xantha But you should go listen to "Surf's Up" - it's brilliant! The Beach Boys, okay so they put out dodgy surf shit early on but they got real experimental and were tres ahead of their time. As well as Pet Sounds, Smile (or Smiley Smile) is excellent. And they were a big influence on the Beatles around the time of Sgt. Pepper. Ooh! And yes indeedie the Hollies, Byrds and Walker Brothers are excellent too. And the old Brit group Nirvana. ---------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 23:43:48 -0400 (EDT) From: DANIEL MCNELIS Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs In this flurry of desert island album picks, some cat named Mat wrote that he would bring something from Swervedriver called "Lolo vs Powerman and the Moneyground". What is this? I have never heard it and I would like to know (what year, how many songs, etc.). I personally feel that the Swervies are one of the most underrated bands right now. I know that I'm sticking my neck out after the Whigs bashing, but oh well... Lemme Know, ddaann. "...and all your friends seem disappointed, to see the sun going down" --------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 16:29:39 +0100 From: Graham Cawsey Subject: Bootlegs Visit my home page for bootlegs. Graham... "See my bootlegs at http://www.freeweb.nethead.co.uk/gcawsey" ---------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 16:57:35 +0100 From: Graham Cawsey Subject: Movin' On Up Now THE CHARLATANS have drafted in Primal Scream man Martin Duffy in place of the late Rob Collins to play keyboards on their forthcoming dates with Oasis (August 11 at Knebworth) and with Paul Weller (August18 at Chelmsford). Duffy offered his services after hearing that The Charlatans wanted to go ahead with the gigs. A statement from the band read: "Martin is one of the few contemporary keyboard players who The Charlatans feel possesses the talent, skill and passion that made Rob's playing so distinctive." Duffy is a temporary replacement; the band will look for a full-time member after they have completed their gig obligations. They will release a new single called 'One To Another' on August 26, taken from the sessions for their fifth album which was being recorded at Rockfield studios in Wales when Collins died in a car accident. According to the band, the album is 75 per cent finished; they will restart work on it in the autumn. Graham... "See my bootlegs at http://www.freeweb.nethead.co.uk/gcawsey" --------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:06:39 +0100 From: Graham Cawsey Subject: Rob Collins RIP (From this weeks NME) >From this weeks edition of NME. ROB COLLINS 1963 - 1996  The death of Charlatans keyboardist Rob Collins has added a further tragic dimension to the band's chequered history. Born in Sedgeley on February 23, 1963, he was naturally gifted on the piano at school, and played in various bands before teaming up with fellow '60s enthusiasts Martin Blunt and Jon Brookes in 1988. They formed a prototype Charlatans built around the talents of singer and guitarist Baz Kettley. Aware that the band weren't realising their full potential, Kettley departed in early 1989 to be replaced by ex-Electric Crayons singer Tim Burgess. Things began to click. Heavily influenced by the fluid, Funkadelic-inspired grooves flowing out of Manchester, the band adopted a loose, rhythm-heavy sound which allowed Collins space to make his Hammond organ sound (an instrument largely neglected since the '60s) the group's hallmark. Having attracted the attention of local record shop owner Steve Harrison, the band released their organ-heavy debut single 'Indian Rope' (a nod to Brian Augur's classic Hammond workout 'Indian Rope Man') on his Dead Dead Good label in 1989. A deal with Beggars Banquet was duly signed and second single 'The Only One I Know' went straight into the Top Ten, characterised as it was by Collins' idiosyncratic stop-start organ surges, subsequently becoming NME Single Of The Year for 1990. Debut album 'Some Friendly' entered the LP charts at Number One. However, the constant disruption of touring, combined with Martin Blunt's hospitalisation for manic depression and the departure of guitarist Jon Baker, meant the Flood-produced second album, 'Between 10th And 11th', was a patchy affair. By 1993, though, more serious problems loomed. Collins was sentenced to eight months in jail for his part in an attempted armed robbery. The band recorded the 'Up To Our Hips' album while awaiting his release. Only then did Collins get to hear what the band had constructed around the swamp of keyboards he'd already recorded. Inevitably the record was an impressive, if deeply thoughtful, affair despite spawning the uncharacteristically upbeat 'Can't Get Out Of Bed' single. Burgess wrote a song about himself and Collins entitled 'I Never Want An Easy Life If Me And He Were Ever To Get There'. With Collins' sentence over, the group now seemed more settled. With Mark Collins (no relation) providing a more than competent foil for Collins' virtuosity, the band finally proved it on record with the release of their marvellous eponymous fourth album in August 1995, paving the way for a critical renaissance and a seemingly long and successful career. Poised to release a new single, 'One To Another', prior to their fifth studio album as well as being booked as special guests at both the Oasis and Paul Weller shows over the summer, The Charlatans' place as one of the country's most enduring and important groups seemed assured. That these glories would have allowed Collins further opportunity to both excel as an organist and to live life to the fullest possible degree - his other great talent - makes his death an even greater tragedy. He is survived by his wife, Joanne, and daughter, Emily. Graham... ----------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 14:44:57 -0400 From: Stephen Fenn <106102.3351@compuserve.com> Subject: Bootlegs 1. Graham Cawsey- where the hell is his homepage? I can't find it anywhere! 2. Does anybody have a copy of "Isolation" the fan club album they could tape for me? Cheers, James Fenn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 20:31:27 +0100 From: Graham Cawsey Subject: Nothing to do with The Charlatans but... All you people in the UK. Does anyone else think that Gaz from Supergrass looks just a weeney bit like Fred West? Graham... ------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:04:33 +0100 From: Graham Cawsey Subject: Re: Bootlegs At 14:44 10/08/96 -0400, you wrote: >1. Graham Cawsey- where the hell is his homepage? I can't find it anywhere! >2. Does anybody have a copy of "Isolation" the fan club album they could > tape for me? > > Cheers, >James Fenn My homepage is in my signature. www.freeweb.nethead.co.uk/gcawsey What is so hard about finding that? Graham... ---------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 00:00:41 -0700 From: Danny Garcia Subject: Fan club I was looking for some info on the fan club. How can I become a member? Where do I send the info to? Is there a cost? Any info would be a great help. Cheers, Dan ----------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 14:42:49 +0100 From: hutch@paston.co.uk Subject: up to date now. beat this for a list! in no particular order: - the dylans - SPIRIT FINGER - ( anyone else know them? ) - teenage fanclub - GRAND PRIX - oasis - DEFINITELY MAYBE ( whats the story is shit though ) - charlies - BETWEEN 10 TH & 11 TH - charlies - CHARLIES - charlies - UP TO OUR HIPS - the who - MEATY BEATY BIG etc. - dodgy - HOMEGROWN - the beatles - SARG. PEPPERS - stone roses - COMPLETE + ( i've got a live tape from last tour) just missed out - - cud - SHOWBIZ ( anyone else know them? ) - ride - GOING BLANK etc. - blue oyster cult - AGENTS OF FORTUNE Anyone been to knebworth ? was it good? I wanted to go but i was on holiday. Don't knock the inspirals - devil hopping is a masterpiece Anyone got any sheet music for the charlies / chords etc. - has there any been any published? Suede suck - except for stay together. I love the Mark Radcliffe show. any other fans out there? Louise - where are you from? RIGHT ON! HEAVY ***** STEREO COBBLERS !! Rob H. Hutch ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 10:03:54 -0400 From: Stephen Fenn <106102.3351@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Graham Cawsey's home page I can't find your page because every time I try to get to it I get a message saying it doesn't exist! Am I doing something wrong? James PS, Gaz Coombes does indeed look like Fred West. ----------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:23:02 -0400 From: Stephen Fenn <106102.3351@compuserve.com> Subject: re:up to date now. Didn't understand most of that message, but you can get the music books for "Some Friendly" and "The Charlatans" from a shop in Denmark Street,London, which I can't remember the name of, but I think it might be "Rose Morris". Cud Rule. Asquarius is better than Showbiz. JF ----------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 13:45:51 -0400 From: Jim Lowe Subject: Re: up to date now. >- the dylans - SPIRIT FINGER - ( anyone else know them? ) Yes, but their first album was far superior, though! jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:07:14 PST From: twisterella@juno.com (erin pham) Subject: Re: up to date now. On Sun, 11 Aug 1996 13:45:51 -0400 Jim Lowe writes: >>- the dylans - SPIRIT FINGER - ( anyone else know them? ) > >Yes, but their first album was far superior, though! > >jim Yay!! You mean The Dylans-The Dylans? Loved it!!!! loved it!!!! loved it!!! :) didn't know anyone else knew who they were :) cheers!! Erin --------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 00:08:15 -0400 From: Jim Lowe Subject: Re: up to date now. >Yay!! You mean The Dylans-The Dylans? Loved it!!!! loved it!!!! loved >it!!! :) didn't know anyone else knew who they were :) I've always been surprised that they didn't catch on...their first, self-titled album is sort of a poppier "Some Friendly". A really good band that everyone on the list should check out. jim --------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 21:15:03 -0700 From: 6 <6@swcp.com> Subject: Re: up to date now. Jim Lowe wrote: > > >Yay!! You mean The Dylans-The Dylans? Loved it!!!! loved it!!!! loved > >it!!! :) didn't know anyone else knew who they were :) > > I've always been surprised that they didn't catch on...their first, > self-titled album is sort of a poppier "Some Friendly". > > A really good band that everyone on the list should check out. Seems every few months we go though the, "cool bands everyone shoulda heard of thing." Still wondering what became of a bunch of bands from that time frame. Any one know what happened to the High or the Dylans for example? Don't think anything will ever compare again to 1989 when I found The Charlatans, The High, the Dylans The Stone Roses, And Inspiral Carpets all in the space of about a month. Sudenly there was music. 6 6@swcp.com -------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 23:46:27 PST From: twisterella@juno.com (erin pham) Subject: Re: up to date now. On Sun, 11 Aug 1996 21:15:03 -0700 6 <6@swcp.com> writes: >Don't think anything will ever compare again to 1989 when I found The >Charlatans, The High, the Dylans The Stone Roses, And Inspiral Carpets >all in the space of about a month. Sudenly there was music. > >6 >6@swcp.com Don't forget Ride :) cheers!! Erin ----------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:59:22 +0100 From: matthew@sar.dra.hmg.gb (Matthew Hayes) Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs When I said that I made a mistake... Obviously I meant to say Swervedrivers Ejector Seat Reservation. Lola vs powerman and the moneyground is by the kinks. Fuck. Whan an embarrasing mistake! Apologies Mat ---------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:19:00 -0700 From: ryan@paragon.co.uk (Ryan Butt) Subject: Living, breathing, tinkling Did anyone see Later with Jools Holland last Saturday? I was half expecting it to be a new programme featuring the Charlies' new single, but seeing as I hadn't watched any of the others in the programme, it came as a great shock to realise that it was, in fact, a repeat. Now, how did I know it was a repeat you ask? Well for starters they played two old songs (Just Lookin', JWYTTO), but more importantly our saly departed old keyboard-tinklin' mucker, Rob Collins, was happily pearched behind his organ doing the biz. For me at least this was a sad recollection of a fine musician and goes to show what a tight unit the band were when playing live (although I still reckon Tim's voce sounds destinctly weak live). By the way, did anyone see The Charlatans at Knebworth yesterday? If so, how did they sound, did they play much new stuff, and what was the boy's general mood after the recent tragedy? Just curious Ryan ------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:44:29 +1000 (EST) From: Kate McCarthy Subject: Re: up to date now. >- the dylans - SPIRIT FINGER - ( anyone else know them? ) The Dylans' "Mary Quant In Blue" had the coolest cover (which was why I bought it on a whim) but was kinda crappy... ------------------------------- End of The Charlatans Digest #2.19 ********************************** * To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Digest version of the list, send your request to: then-request@lysator.liu.se * The maintainer of the Digest mailing list is chief@lysator.liu.se, and can also be reached at owner-then@lysator.liu.se * The digests can also be found in HTML format at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/then.html, and in ASCII format at ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/texts/uxu/then * To subscribe to the Live version of the list, send your subscription request to: Majordomo@stud2.misjonshs.no * All messages to the Live mailing list should be sent to: charlatans@stud2.misjonshs.no * The maintainer of the Live list is eirikg@ifi.uio.no, and can also be reached at charlatans-owner@stud2.misjonshs.no