========================================================================= (C) 1994 by Atari Corporation, GEnie, and the Atari Roundtables. May be reprinted only with this notice intact. The Atari Roundtables on GEnie are *official* information services of Atari Corporation. To sign up for GEnie service, call (with modem) 800-638-8369. Upon connection type HHH (RETURN after that). Wait for the U#= prompt.Type XTX99437,GENIE and press [RETURN]. The system will prompt you for your information. ========================================================================== Dateline Atari! with Bob Brodie Friday, Feb. 4th, 1994 Host - Lou Rocha <[HoST] ST.LOU> Welcome to the February edition of Dateline Atari with Bob Brodie. For the first time in a while, Bob will NOT be doing the RTC from a hotel room far from home. I expect that tonight's RTC will be relaxed and informative. This week has seen a number of excited posts regarding the re-appearance of TT computers in the Sunnyvale warehouse. This, of course, is what Bob told us would happen a while ago. Now we can only hope that those TT's move out to the dealers with speed and assurance. Other recent events in the bulletin board include a growing number of discussions about Jaguar games. It seems like they are starting to appear in quickly increasing numbers - much to the joy of those fortunate Jaguar owners. We have also seen captures of various reviews of the Jaguar games that have been released. Suffice it to say that most comments have been extremely favorable. Let's hope the groundswell of excitement will continue to sweep the nation. Finally, it is really nice to hear that Bob will soon be able to spend more time online with Atari owners here on GEnie. Bob's expertise has always been appreciated and we all know that Atari has never had a bigger support than Bob... well, maybe King Tarpinian :-) Bob, nice to see you again. May we have your opening comments, please? Welcome to the February installment of Dateline: Atari! It's a pleasure to once again join you on our official online resource, GEnie. It's even more a pleasure to report that after conducting the last three editions of Dateline: Atari from various parts of the US, that I'm finally back in California! Tonight, I'm logging on from Atari's headquarters in Sunnyvale, California. As you may recall, our last session came to you live from the '94 Winter Consumers Electronics Show in Las Vegas. As we were conducting CES, James Grunke was hard at work on our suite for the NAMM Show. In something of a turn around for Atari, we had a suite at NAMM rather than a booth, and took a booth at CES, rather than a suite. NAMM was overshadowed by the great earthquake that had struck southern California just days before the show was scheduled to begin. Some of our key partners, like Barefoot Software, Steinberg Software and JBL have had their businesses and their homes damaged beyond repair. Our friends at Die Hard Game Fan magazine sustained so much damage to their offices that the building was condemned. The home of publisher Dave Halvorsen was demolished in the quake as well. Jeff and Dana of Barefoot Software report that the quake occurred practically directly underneath their offices. They have sustained major damage to their building, but not their sense of humor. They report that "the mail service hasn't been affected, it's as intermittent as always. The mail is delivered during all four of our seasons; floods, drought, firestorms, and earthquakes." Our thoughts and prayers are with all of you in southern California. Despite all of the challenges that life has thrown at these people, they are bravely continuing on with their lives and businesses. The latest edition of Die Hard Game Fan arrived in my office yesterday, and looks fabulous. They have some terrific photos from CES, including a picture of one of our president (although he is not named in the photo), Sam Tramiel. The picture of Sam was taken of him in the booth, wearing a Jaguar T-Shirt. Barefoot Software wants everyone to know that their offices will be closed for approximately 15 days, and all of their products are available via the 17 Guitar Center locations. Let's talk about some of the new products that were shown at NAMM. Steinberg Software released a number of new products for their Atari line. They showcased Cubase Audio Falcon, which is the first integrated MIDI/ Digital Audio Recording and Score printing program for the Atari Falcon030. The Falcon provides 8 Audio channels that can be freely assigned between Hard Disk Recording Tracks, RAM Tracks, and a number of voices for Sample Playback. Simultaneous playback of 8 Tracks of hard disk recording or 4 tracks and 4 voices of sample playback, all coming out of the Falcons integrated digital-to-analog converters: Digital Audio recording, Effects, MIDI Recording, and Score Printing, everything happening on a single computer with a single piece of software!! Also new from Steinberg is The Studio Module for Cubase. It helps you get your MIDI studio organized. A total recall function re-configures your whole setup at the press of a button. All memory data of your connected MIDI gear can be saved in one global file. The self-explanatory graphic user interfaces makes getting into the program fast and easy. Studio Module gives your four new windows from within Cubase: Studio Setup Window, where you define your setup; all MIDI connections, MIDI patchbays, etc. The memory manager window handles the memories of your MIDI gear. Here you control all of the load/save/send and receive operations - separately for each connected MIDI instrument. You can choose from different file formats, and add a comment to each file. The bank window enables you to view all memory contents of connected gear by name. Click on a name and the program change is sent automatically to the corresponding instrument - no need to worry about numbers, banks anymore. This Bank window is also available directly on Cubase's' arrange window - from now on you select all of your sounds by name. A general MIDI (GM) map is also included with the Studio Module. The Macro Edit Window you can macro edit a group of the most common synthesizers, FX-processors, etc. More than 80 drivers, most of them with an edit page, are included in the Studio Module as supplied. You can even create drivers of your own by using the device maker. The number of supported parameters varies from instrument to instrument. Cue Trax is another one of the new products that Steinberg showed at NAMM for Atari computers. Cuetrax is a tool for film and video scoring, matching music to visual cues or syncing Cubase to live music or tape. It will help you in restoring lost sync tracks to mix music and tempo based events. It also makes it possible to create music that contains many tempo changes, accelerandi or ritardandi. Steinberg also is discussing an upgrade for the Atari Falcon030 for Avalon, their program for sound genesis and transformation. Steinberg was also active on the hardware front. They showed their Adat Computer Interface (ACI), which give you total remote control of your Alesis ADAT Digital Tape Recorder. The ACI is a two-way interface which allows MMC commands to control one or more ADATs and at the same time send the ADAT's proprietary timing information, translated into MTC to the computer sequencer. All ADAT functions are controllable from within Cubase. You won't lose a track just to record SMPTE. With Steinberg's ACI hardware, adding 8, 16, or up to 128 Digital Tape Tracks to your Cubase becomes a matter of simply connecting some cables. The final product that Steinberg showed was the SMP-II, which is a professional computer controlled MIDI interface and SMPTE synchronizer for Falcon and Atari ST/TT computers. The 19"/1 unit rack module gives you two MIDI INS and four separate MIDI OUTS that can be patched freely. The SMP can read and generate all common SMPTE formats. But tonight, we also want to talk about more than just music. We've also been very busy on the Jaguar front. Following our terrific showing at Winter CES, we've been bombarded with requests from retailers wanting to carry the Atari Falcon030. We've begun our national roll out with two of our retail partners, Babbages and Electronic Boutique. Our national print advertising campaign is continuing to run, with full color two page advertisements in video game magazines for both the Jaguar and the Lynx. On the Jaguar front of things, current release date projections are as follows: Tempest 2000 late this month/early March, Club Drive in March, Checkered Flag II in April, Alien vs Predator in April, Kasumi Ninja, Tiny Toon Adventures, and Star Raiders 2000 all available in June. Beginning in March we expect to see some of the first third party titles for the Jaguar become available. We've also begun expanding our company from within. We're starting to add more staff to some key areas of our company. We've expanded our support staff in customer service, and we're adding on in other spots throughout out the company, including the game test areas, finance, art department, and administration. This is very good news, as we have been running very lean for quite some time now. I've put in requests with GEnie for additional accounts for some of our staff to get some of the software test group online here to help beef up our online presence on GEnie. With that...I'll conclude my opening remarks, and let's take some questions Lou!! <[HoST] ST.LOU> Thanks, Bob. First in line we have Charles Smeton of NewSTar developers of the FANtastic program... STraight FAX! <[Charles] C.S.SMETON> Hi Bob Hi Charles <[Charles] C.S.SMETON> I have had a difficult time locating any stores with Jaguars. I have called Games&Gadgets/EB, Babbages, Toad Computers and others. All have been without Jaguars for several weeks and some have only one or two extra games. Have there been any problems in Jaguar production/distribution? ga Charles, we're just in the early stages of shipping the product out to our partners for the National Roll out. The demand has been exceptional. You should be able to find the product in Maryland at Babbages and Electronic Boutique, as well as Toad. I'm sure any delays in getting the product there will be overcome soon. Please bear in mind that as we begin shipping in "National" style quantities, that the shipments are sent to only one or two warehouses. From there, the stores are responsible for getting them out to their specific locations, not Atari. For example, Toys R Us only has two warehouses that we deal with at present, one in LA, and one in New Jersey. ga <[Charles] C.S.SMETON> G&G/EB and Toad did have Jaguars before Christmas, but when I called G&G/EB and Babbages neither knew when another shipment was expected. ga Right, but none of them (except for Toad) were _SUPPOSED_ to have Jaguars before Christmas. They aren't in the NY/SF area. And just as our product allocation was diluted in NY/SF by people shipping outside of those areas, the same thing is happening now. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Ken Stevens is next <[Ken] K.STEVENS1> Hi Bob, can you give us some current production numbers on the Jag and the number of units sold thus far. Oh, by the way, I want Kasumi Ninja.....Yesterday!! :-) GA I don't have any other production numbers other than the ones that we announced at CES, which was 20,000 units sold in two months. Typically, Atari doesn't release those numbers at all. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Thanks Ken. Brian Harvey is next up. First I would like you to pass onto the "powers than be" my vote of thanks for Pradip for working on the BPS (Black Page Syndrome). I know he will have it working soon. Second I know you and the rest of the crew is doing a great job and thanks! Finally the question {grin}: Is the ATARI computer dead except for music? I read the opening remarks and I know people with Falcons but daily I know of friends who no longer can get enough out of their ATARIs. NOT ME! No sir, not YET. However, can we expect a realistic schedule for future general purpose ATARI computers? GA. Brian, I feel strongly that the answer to that is no. I didn't include information in my opening remarks about some of the things that were shown at NAMM that James saw privately in our suite. For instance, there is a 040 board that looks like it will be available in April, as well as high rez video digitizer. The video product will be available in the same time frame. With products like these, we should be able to shore up the other major concern about the Falcon, which has been the 16 Mhz 030. We have a good inventory of the Falcons, and continue to build the product, albeit more of the no HD models. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Brian, anything else? Any chance this year of a separate computer and keyboard running at 040 built in? GA I'm not prepared to announced any new computer products tonight, Brian. Sorry! <[HoST] ST.LOU> On to Ed Baiz. <[Ed] E.BAIZ> Hi. Let me say that I am glad you clear things up about that false rumor about the Jaguar production being stopped because of a defect. Is Atari still making TT's and Falcons? And is there any info on the Jaguar computer that I read about in ST Format? ga Hi Ed, yes were are still making TTs and Falcons. Check Lou's opening remarks about TTs, and my last statement about Falcons. Re the ST Format article, I haven't seen it. It's been pretty common speculation, but right now we're only building Jaguars as a home entertainment unit. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Next we have Greg. Go Ahead Greg <[Greg] G.K.> The recent InfoWorld had some comments about the Jaguar II, including the "fact" that it will use a PowerPC chip. Any comments? Also, I wanted to know when we could expect to see Jaguar advertising nationwide. Hi Greg, if you look at the article in InfoWorld carefully, you'll see where Cringely says "Here's another fantasy..." Which the rest of the article is, especially the part about Atari having a resounding lack of success so far in selling the Jaguar. There is simply no truth to that at all. We have no plans to add a Power PC, and frankly, I don't know how we would maintain our price point with that chip on board. The article also describes the proposed machine could attach a SCSI hard disk and use it as an Oracle server...I've personally never seen an Oracle server that's just a 17 key game controller rather than a keyboard, but what do I know??? :) Re your last question regarding advertising, the national print ads are running now in the video game mags. The TV ads will begin during the first quarter in the top 10 markets. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Pat Forister is next and 7 people are in line <[pat] P.FORISTER> My Jaguar has a weird power up problem. Sometimes when I switch between games the new game does not load. Right after the Jaguar cube appears it will just lock up. I have to leave the unit off for several minutes to correct the problem. I have also had Raiden crash on me several times. I am not alone, several of my friends experience power up problems with their Jags as well. It is embarrassing and irritating when I showcase my Jag to people that have never seen one before. GA. Pat, I apologize for the problems that you have encountered. Unfortunately, with any piece of hardware, these problems can occur. This is part of what we hoped to learn about the Jaguar during the test market that we did. Have you contacted your dealer to try to obtain a replacement unit from him? If not, I suggest you do so. <[HoST] ST.LOU> Good advice. Next we have James Vogh. In the event that your dealer will not exchange the unit, then please follow the instructions in your manual for returning the unit to us. We'll be happy to exchange it for you. ga <[James] J.VOGH> Can you describe Star Raiders 2000 for the Jag? Does it have a classic mode for us 800 owners? Does it have texture mapping? ga I haven't seen that one yet, James. I'm addicted to Tempest at the moment. :) Sorry! ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> ANything else, James? <[James] J.VOGH> Can you describe Tempest 2000 then? ga Tempest 2000 has four versions of the game Tempest, Tempest Traditional, Tempest Plus, Tempest 2000, and Tempest Dual. In Tempest Traditonal you learn how to move on the web that forms the Tempest playing ground, and how to target your enemies. Tempest Plus is a combination of traditional Tempest and 2000. You have the option of playing alone, with another computer controlled helper known as the AI Droid, or with the help of another player in cooperative mode. Tempest 2000 has power up, new enemies, and cool bonus warp worlds. And Tempest Dual is a head to head player match up for one on one competition. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> John K. from NJ is next. Welcome, John <[john] J.KANTARJIAN> When will a couple of third party games hit the shelf? ga Hi John, we're expecting to see some of the third party titles start to hit next month, and more in April. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> We look forward to that list. Next is Rob Quezada <[Rob] R.QUEZADA> When is the RGB cable for Jaguar coming out? Can I get it through the Atari dealer near me, or do I have to order it direct from Atari? The Composite video gets a good picture, but I would love to see how good the Jaguar would look on my SC1224. GA. You can order the RGB cable NOW from Redmond Cable. Call them at 206-882-2009. There are also drawings online here on GEnie that are accurate with the pin outs in them. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Thanks. Randy Perry, come on down! Is Atari considering, or will it consider, writing networking software so us Mega STe, TT, and Falcon owners can take advantage of the localtalk port on our machines. There were several developers working on this but they all dropped out because they thought they would never get back their investment. I'd love to print to my Laserjet 4M using appletalk. ga We asked for a proposal from a developer of a network software. He felt that it wouldn't be a horribly big task for them to do. However, the proposal never came in from them. :-( At this point, I suggest that you use PowerDOS from View Touch Systems. It works with most setups. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> On to D.Engel, aka Thunderbird! <[Thunderbird] D.ENGEL> Welcome, Bob. Thanks for coming... I'd love to know when more of the 'secret' developers are going to be announced (so I can brag about them), and please tell us that "Tempest 2000" supports a paddle (I checked, the code would be trivial). Go Ahead! Well Dave, we will announce more of the developers when we have their ink on the contract. :) We're trying to do a better job with PR by ensuring that we don't say too much too soon about any of these guys. I hope you can understand that. Re Tempest...actually, there are some moves in Tempest that are better done with the current controller, rather than the paddle. I'm sure you will be pleased! I felt the same way you do "Gimme a paddle you guyz!" but became comfy with the controller fairly quickly. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> T-bird? <[Thunderbird] D.ENGEL> Okay... I can understand the importance of secrecy. I just think you could get a lot of respect if the names I've seen are "inked". Can you give release dates for any games yet? (P.S. Call me "Doug")... ga! All of the names that we have released are indeed inked. I can't give dates tonight, but I'll try to get that information by sometime next week and post it here. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Thanks. Now Dave Shorr is ready <[Dave] D.SHORR> Some of the Sega Genesis displays can switch between cartridge ports; does the Jaguar kiosk have this capability? GA. Dave, what we did with the kiosk is make it a "real" Jaguar, and then have a locked sliding plexiglass cover over the game unit. It's easy for the store to just unlock the plexiglasss, and then reach in to change the game. ga <[Dave] D.SHORR> When can we expect to see the kiosks in the stores? GA. Some of them are already out there, one of our distributors in New York called me Wed. to tell me how happy he was with it! ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Good stuff! Fruitman is next. <[Fruitman] G.GEORGE3> (Sean D. Sorry. I don't really know what I'm doing here. I'll send you some mail.) Hi Bob! I was at the Software Etc. in Lakeland FL last week and I was being my usual nosy Atarian self asking about (what else) the Jaguar. And they said that they wouldn't carry the Jag unless Atari kept their promise to continue Lynx softs. Is this true? ga We are not planning on selling the Jaguar to Software Etc at this point. It has nothing to do with Lynx software. There is another business issue with Software Etc. that stands between us selling the Jaguar to them. At this point, I can only suggest that you check with Electronic Boutique, Babbages, and Toys R Us for the system. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Next we have Pat Forister <[pat] P.FORISTER> Care to comment on the top 10 TV ad markets? Who are they, what are they, where do they come from???? :-> Please PLEASE say San Antonio. GA. We're not prepared to release those names tonight, Pat. :) The numbers (as in top ten) are the same ones that most of the TV stations use in determining the size of the market. I could be wrong, but I don't think San Antonio is on that list. Houston, yes. San Antonio, no. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Here's Davey from Florida. Welcome Davey. <[davey] D.HAUPERT> I have a few questions, the first being when is the CDROM gonna be out? The second being when is the VR Helmet gonna be started? The CD ROM will be available in the summertime: somewhere between June and September. I haven't seen a release date on the VR Helmet, but I know that we're already working on it!! ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> On to Ken Stevens <[Ken] K.STEVENS1> Bob, on the 040 board for the Falcon.....is that an Atari product or third party? Does it act as a cache accelerator or does it take full control of the computer, providing it's own 32 bit memory etc? by the way, Rumour is that the low power 603 (Power PC chip) will go for less than 100 dollars, possibly keeping the Jag close to its price point, if Atari decides to use it. GA It's a third party product, James wouldn't have had to have it shown to him in the suite if it was ours! :) He'd be showing it!! :) At this point you know about as much as I do. We'll be sure to share more info as it becomes available, though Ken. Thanks for your interest! ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Next we have La Mesa, CA. GA P.BLAGAY Hi Bob, hows it going? I was hoping you could give me more info on Iguana software, doing Mortal Kombat for the Jag. It would be an great way to draw new users to the Jag. Also, any news on maybe an NBA Jam convert. Saw the SNES version by Iguana and it's great. Thanks. ga Actually, the stuff about Mortal Kombat is something that we'd rather not comment on at this point. You're correct that Iguana is a terrific development house, and we've had a number of discussions with them. Sorry, wish I could say more on it. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Darrell, your turn. <[darrell] D.SWEETLAND> Can you please give more detail on how to move around on Tempest.. please. ga Darrell, that would take a lot of time to do tonight, since I don't have a prepared text file on that. I'll tell you what, I'll be sure to get a text file next week and forward that on to the gang at Atari Explorer Online Magazine. We'll let them print the story. :) ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Andre Foster is next, Bob <[Andre] A.FOSTER7> Will Akklaim develop software for the Jag,I would love to see NBA JAM.,and will their ever be a Jag computer,or add on accessories to convert it to a computer? ga. Actually if you take a look at what Akklaim has done over the last few years, they really haven't done any original stuff. They've done ports of the Williams arcade titles that have done well. :) We are talking to them, but they haven't signed up yet. Re the Jaguar computer, again... I'm not prepared to make any new product announcements tonight, but it would seem to be a reasonable thing to do at some point in time. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> On to Tim at AEO <[InternetTim] AEO.8> OKeydokey... I want a joy STICK, not a 'pad', any word on one? I'm gonna wire my own if one isn't availible. Not from us, Tim. We have had some discussions with third party people that are interested in making such a device, and we're happy to work with them. Most of the developers really like our controller, because it offers them so much flexibility! ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> N. Kaplan from Dallas... Bob, what's the latest on Capcom titles for the Jag? ga We have had some very serious discussions with Capcom. They are very, very interested in the Jaguar at this point in time. But so far, they haven't signed. It might be that they are just waiting for us to hit a certain installed base before they sign on to develop. However, we'd welcome you writing them a letter encouraging them to write for the Jaguar. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Dan Iacovelli is next, Bob <[Dan I.] D.IACOVELLI1> hi,bob is chi town (Chicago,IL) in the top ten market? please say yes .ga Yes. ga <[Dan I.] D.IACOVELLI1> thank you bob. <[HoST] ST.LOU> Dan, you happy? <[Dan I.] D.IACOVELLI1> verry happy. <[HoST] ST.LOU> Let's move on to Davey again <[davey] D.HAUPERT> Hello, I just wanted to thank you for the screen shots and take this time to beg for some more. They really are _great_ free advertisements ya know! :@) Hi Davey, glad you like them! We'll try to get some more up soon. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Travis Guy, Mr. AEO! <[Travis] AEO.MAG> Hi Bob! Now that CES is a month behind us, can you expand on how well the Jaguar was received? Have any new relations started with other retailers? If so, care to name names? ;) ga Hi Travis!! The Jaguar was wonderfully received at CES. We met with virtually every big name retailer you can imagine at CES! (REALLY!!) With some of these companies, this was just the beginning of the relationship... they wanted to come and see the unit first hand to check out the Jaguar for themselves. Many of them are continuing to discuss terms of sale, etc with us. Some of them have asked for a test in a set number of their stores! Like... welllll...maybe I better not mention names after all...sorry! <[HoST] ST.LOU> Tease! It would be too off the Wall <[HoST] ST.LOU> I can already envision Travis' next editorial... :-0 ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Doug is back... <[Thunderbird] D.ENGEL> How are you making out with EGM? Their recent issue praised the jaguar in one section, and flamed it in another. They couldn't review their way out of a paper bag. What are your feelings about them, considering 1/2 of their readers want a Jaguar (Heh heh heh) ga. Hey, you noticed that, too??? :) They're pretty inconsistent. One month, Ed Semerad says Cybermorph is one of his favorite games. In the same issue, they say they can't cover the Jaguar cause they don't have one. The next issue, they give one of Ed's favorite games a 40 something. We're still working at the relationship. They're due in here later this month to take a look at the stuff we're working on. I met a lot of their staff at CES, and was amazed at how very young everyone other than Ed was. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> GA Travis <[Travis] AEO.MAG> Bob, when could we expect to see the Jaguar go MASS market? Not just national. XMas 94? ga Travis, certainly by there. Part of that will depend on how the discussions with some of the retailers go. We have already been meeting with mass market retailers. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Our last question of the night comes from Sir Fransis.... <[Sir Fransis] K.DRAKE> I've been discussing multi-player games recently and was wondering if Atari's working on any special licensing agreements or hardware that would allow multi-play w/one game cart. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Ooops, missed Kent, Bob. Right after Sir Fransis. Hi Kenneth, yes! We are very excited about doing multi player things with the Jaguar. In fact, one of the things that we are very careful to point out to developers when we sign them on is the multiplayer capabilities of the Jaguar. I don't have a specific title to refer to at this point in time, though. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Back to Kent.... <[Kent] K.CAVAGHAN2> Bob, bear with me if this has been raised before.. As a former disk vendor in the ST market, I'm very concerned about the present market and computer support. What can you tell me about future plans for improved and realisticly priced computers?? ga Hi Kent. Nice to see you tonight. We began our time tonight reviewing some of the new music applications that came out for our systems at NAMM, and we've got TTs in stock again. We're very much committed to the Falcon. We were shown an 040 board at NAMM by another developer. We have plans to make it more attractive to sell our products by dealers, which the dealers will learn of very soon. ga <[HoST] ST.LOU> Well Bob... I am sure you are happy to be home for THIS conference. I won't keep you any longer. Thanks for coming. Have a safe drive home from the office and see you online! GA Thanks, Lou! Our gatherings here on GEnie, our official online resource have come to be one of the events that I really look forward to. I truly enjoy them. It's even nicer when they can be done from California! I enjoyed our time together tonight as always. Thanks to everyone for coming, Goodnight!!