TES:An Actual conversation between a Sysop and an unsaved user

   This is an actual conversation between the sysop of S.O.N. and Sandy
Bettin. For sake of easier reading, only the spelling errors & word
spacing have been corrected, the text is otherwise complete. S=Sandy
b=sysop

   b- Ok this is easier to chat.....well you have to enter lots of
messages to keep a discussion going on your message base. you also need
a topic you want to discuss or talk about.

   S- SOUNDS HARD! DO I SEE EVERYTHING YOU DO?

   b- Not really, you have currently, normal access level. As a
co-sysop you get a higher level, which is another couple message bases,
and the ability to control your own message base. (delete messages)

   S- I WOULD LIKE TO OWN A BASE!

   b- Well it is a lot of work.....what are you interested in?

   S- POSTING MESSAGES FROM THE BIBLE ONTO THE COMPUTER!

   b- Well you can already do that. there are many areas within that
that could be taken. A Bible study, a devotional type thing, who knows?

   S- RIGHT! I COULD ALSO POST PARABLES OF EVERY NEW TESTAMENT BOOK!

   b- Yes, well like I said there are lots of areas that could be
taken. do you have any special interest in anything in peticular?

   S- WHAT ABOUT, MESSAGES ABOUT ATARI AND ETC BOARD!

   b- Yes you could do that. I do have one requirement for all
co-sysops though... are you a born-again Christian?

   S- YOU MEAN WAS I BAPTIZED?

   b- No not exactly.....has there been a time in your life that you
realized that you are a sinner, and personally (just you yourself)
asked Jesus Christ to be your personal Lord and Saviour?

   S- YES, I HAVE.I READ THE BIBLE ALMOST EVERYDAY!

   b- Can you tell me more about when this happened, and the events
surrounding it?

   S- YOU MEAN WHEN I FIRST READ IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH?

   b- No, when you asked Jesus Christ to be your Lord and Saviour. What
happened just before that event, and then what happened at that event.
What did you say, think, or what ever.

   S- Let me tell you a story that did happened to me.

   b- ok

   S- On my, first confirmation class, in order to take communion, The
pastor, and, my mother and father saw all of a sudden my FACE SHINE
LIKE RADIANT, LIKE JESUS'S, AND MY Pastor was surprise and, so where my
parents, Same thing also happened on my 1st communion, when I went up
for my firs lord'S supper, my FACE SHINE RADIANT! And on one mother's
day a long time ago, I had vision, and, the angel told me this: Sandy
time to get up! And I did exactly what I was told! then I also saw part
of the angel'S garment It was almost white with snow! it was a bright
white!

   b- Well that certainly is interesting! I have had many interesting
things also happen to me, but that did not make me a Christian. I don't
want to offend you, or make you feel sad, but this is a VERY important
question I'd like to ask you. here it is. If you were to die today, and
you stood before God, and he asked you, "Sandy, why should I let you
into my special place, Heaven, ?" what would you say back to God?

   S- That's a hard question 2 answer!

   b- Well there is only 1 real answer and it is a real easy one. I
know the moment that I die, I will be in heaven. It's all written in
the Bible. do you believe that the Bible does have the real true
answers to these kinds of questions?

   S- I believe it does, am I right?

   S- Yes, well God's Word written especially for each one of us. You
see Sandy, God loves us so much that He didn't just make us and then
just leave us without any hope at all. He gave us REAL promises in the
Bible that we can KNOW exactly where we will spend eternity. do you
have a Bible handy?

   S- just a sec. Ok I got the Good News Bible today'S English version!

   b- Ok can you find 1 John 5:13? that's near the back, chapter 5
verse 13

   S- got it!

   b- Ok does it say something like "these things are written to you
who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may KNOW you have
eternal life?"

   S- Do you want me to type mine?

   b- No, but does yours sound similar to that?

   S- yes.

   b- Ok. do you understand what that is?

   S- JUST A SEC, LET ME READ IT OK?

   b- Ok.....well it means that the things that God told the Apostle
John to write are so that the people who believe in Jesus Christ (the
Son of God) could KNOW that they have eternal life. (go to heaven when
they die)

   S- Yes, I believe, in Jesus Christ, and I know I will have eternal
life!

   b- ok, can you find the Book of Romans?

   S- yes.

   b- turn to chapter 3 and read verse 23. find it?

   S- ok.

   b- who does it say has sinned?

   S- everyone!

   b- that means both you and I right?

   S- yes!

   b- ok now remember that God is HOLY, that means without sin and that
He hates sin.....there is no sin in heaven at all, nor will there ever
be. now turn over a couple of pages to.....chapter 6 verse 23

   b- find it? it is the last verse in chapter 6 of R.

   S- yes i found it!

   b- ok, what is the wages or payment for sin (or sinners like you and
I)?

   S- you want me to write it?

   b- sure

   S- For sin pays its wage death: but God's free gift is eternal life
in union with Christ Jesus our Lord.

   b- ok so the payment or what you get for sinning is death right?

   S- I'm not sure!

   b- Well For sin pays its wage - death, means that the wage you get
for sin is death. You see, Sandy, God has to punish sin, and He does so
by spiritual death. Not very pleasant, but He has to punish every
single sin. We can't hide our sins from God because He is everywhere
and sees everything we do.

   b- If Adam hadn't sin we would be in the right pats all the time
right? well, Adam was with God in the Garden of Eden. But when Adam
sinned, God had to cast Adam out of His presence. God can not have sin
in His presence at all. So Adam "fell" or sinned, and like our parents,
we "inherited" Adams sin. so we are all sinners.

   S- I don't like use bad language like when they make you swear!

   b- Well neither do I. but according to the Bible, ALL of us have
sinned and all of us deserve to be punished by God for sinning, right?

   S- Yes, Are we the descendants of Abraham?

   b- by blood, it's almost impossible to trace. by faith, well yes in
only one case but let me turn to another passage, and you'll see why,
then I'll come back to your question, ok?

   S- Ok, I am feeling warm inside me, does that mean just now the Holy
Spirit has entered me?

   b- no, but turn to chapter 5 verses 8 and 9 find them?

   S- ok.

   b- ok did you read the verses?

   S- yes

   b- ok see in verse 8 how God loves us, even while we are sinners?

   S- Yes, I do!

   b- Notice how Christ died for our sins?

   S- Yes, He died on a cross to bare our sins!

   b- Exactly! in verse 9 we can see that we are justified, or brought
into a real relationship with God again, because Jesus Christ shed His
blood for our sins. God actually punished Jesus Christ, His own Son for
your personal sins! do you understand that?

   S- Yes, in fact I had communion today!

   b- But this isn't communion. this happened almost 2000 years ago,
just for you. Sandy, God loves you so much that He asked His own Son,
Jesus Christ to come to earth and pay the penalty for your sins! When
Jesus died on the cross, it was God the Father punishing His own Son
for your sins. Jesus took your place and suffered the punishment you
deserve. that isn't communion, but something Jesus Himself did just for
you!

   S- I understand, I am in Romans chapter seven right now for my
reading!

   b- Ok that is also a good chapter. can you find chapter 10 verse 13?

   S- Yes, it tells us everyone who calls on the Lord for help he will
be saved!

   b- That's exactly right. Taking communion or trying to do good
things to please God will not save a person from hell, but only if we
at some time in our lives Call upon Jesus Christ and ask Him to save
us. remember that we all have sinned and that we all deserve to be
punished by God for sinning. God's punishment is in hell. But if we
realize that we need to be saved from going there, then we need to ASK
Jesus Christ to save us. does that make sense?

   S- yes!

   b- Ok turn over to the Gospel of John the very first chapter.....

   S- ok.

   b- ok read the 12 and 13th verses.....

   S- ok. please hold!

   b- ok

   S- Ok

   b- see in verse 12 how it talks about "receiving" Him (Jesus Christ)?

   S- YES, I KNOW, THE FATHER DOWN HERE IS NOT OUR REAL FATHER! BUT I
ALWAYS NO KNOW GOD IS MY REAL FATHER FOR ETERNAL LIFE!

   b- good. you said that you were not sure what you would say if God
asked you why He should let you into heaven before. I'm trying to show
you how you can not only know, but know why you have the right to go to
heaven.

   S- YES, I UNDERSTAND CAN I PLEASE HAVE YOUR # SO I COULD CALL YOU?

   b- well this is my only phone, if you want, you can pick up the
phone, and I will pick it up on this end at the same time.

   S- OK. hold on just a sec....

   { from this point we went 'VOICE' and discussed more passages from
the Bible for the next 2 hours. Sandy then prayed first with me and
then by herself, admitting she was a sinner in need of salvation by
Jesus Christ. }
