                          Abduction Digest, Number 39
 
                           Monday, January 13th 1992
 
Today's Topics:
 
                                Abduction thread
                                  Re: If Ufo's
                              Re: Abduction thread
                                 Re: abductions
                                    I'm back.
                               Abduction research
                               Abduction research
                                    RESEARCH
                                   Abductions
                                    Research
                              Australian abductions
                             Australian abductions 2
                             Australian abductions 3
                             Australian abductions 4
                             Australian abductions 5
                                  Welcome Back!
                                    I'm Back.
                               Abduction Research
                                    I'm back.
                                Premature Births

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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Abduction thread
Date: 10 Jan 92 16:02:12 GMT

Is it my imagination, or has this thread gotten a little out of control? I
think fouls have been committed on both sides. Sue, it was you who brought
religion into this discussion in the first place, and you do seem to be
steadfastly unwilling to examine the sources we have quoted for you, choosing
instead to point to that which you HAVE read and insisting that it doesn't
constitute proof. You also made some demonstrably unsupportable statements
regarding alcohol use and UFO perception. Mike, while I know how tempting it is
to bash religion, I think it sets a better example to try to steer the
conversation back on course. Doug, I don't think its proper to show support for
one user's arguments over another's while wearing your echo moderator's hat.

Can we start over? Sue thinks abductions are a reflection of an innate need for
religion among those who reject traditional forms. I don't think its necessary
to bash Christianity to counter this; its much easier to show that abduction
percipients run the gamut of religious belief, from Betty Andreasson Luca
(devout Christian) to "Lydia" (secular humanist). Furthermore, the effect of
the abduction experience is not to convert the percipient to one religion or
another, as might be expected, but to reinforce the percipient's previously
held beliefs, at least in the two cases I cited. Betty Luca is still a devout
Christian, and thinks her experience ratifies her beliefs. Lydia is still a
secular humanist, and eschews any spiritual explanation for her experience.

As far as abductions "proving" anything, I don't think anyone here is making
such a claim. The only claims being put forth on this echo regard what
abductions are NOT: according to our best information, they are NOT a generally
recognized form of psychosis or delusion. They MAY be related to
fantasy-proneness, as Basterfield et al have shown, and this is certainly a
viable avenue for inquiry. 

I hope this gets us back on track.

Jim

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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: If Ufo's
Date: 10 Jan 92 21:15:00 GMT

Hi Sue,
 
Yes, I think UFO's do exist.  The problem is that, like most mysteries,
this one is unidentified.  We must keep in touch and share thoughts and 
experiences, in my opinion, and we must not ridicule those who think 
they have seem something truly unexplainable.
 
Best,
 
Linda

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From: Doug.Rogers@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Doug Rogers)
Subject: Re: Abduction thread
Date: 11 Jan 92 07:55:15 GMT

As always, Jim, your insights are appreciated.  I hope your post has the
desired result.  Mine certainly have not. 

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From: Doug.Rogers@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Doug Rogers)
Subject: Re: abductions
Date: 11 Jan 92 08:01:58 GMT


 >
 > 49 percent of Mensans claim a Christian orientation.  And
 > only 7  percent are agnostic, and 3.6 percent atheist!
 >  hahaha.. that's better  than the 60 percent!
 
<ahem>
Can you spell "assumption"?  You "assume" that those expressing no religious
orientation are Xian.  I believe this is an unsupportable assumption.
 
Could we *PLEASE* move away from religion and get back on topic in this echo?
 Jim Spieser has posted a very rational suggestion as to avenues to persue. 
Perhaps you would enjoy seeing where they go.
 
One last clarification.  It is my *function* here to attempt to keep the echos
"on topic".  That is to say, the topics labeled on the subscriber BBS's are to
be the topics discussed in the relative echos.  I would get on your case just
as quickly for a discussion of Mickey Mouse cartoons in this echo as I will
your religious discussions.  Your cries of "free speech" are totally out of
order.  There is regulation in *any* network.  Were there not, we, the sysops,
would be paying big bucks to move messages around (like this one) that have
nothing to do with the reason we subscribed to the echo.
 
Having said all of this can we PLEASE get back on the abduction issue? If you
have problems with this, take it up with your sysop and allow him/her to
discuss it in our sysop area.
 
NOT a warning.  Just a request. 

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From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: I'm back.
Date: 9 Jan 92 12:14:15 GMT


 I would like to say hello to all my friends and colleagues again.  It 
 seems that I have resurfaced after all these months.  I only have a few 
 seconds left on the BBS so I will wait for some messages in the hopes of 
 getting up an interesting dialogue on abductions and UFOs.
  
 Via SPITFIRE Bulletin Board System - Version 3.1

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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Abduction research
Date: 6 Jan 92 03:59:00 GMT

Thanks for the "comments" on the paranormal aspects of that abduction 
case you posted. The links between events with heavy emotional 
overlay, and later use of these events to relive these emotions is 
particularly relevant to abduction research.  Our brain has a 
tremendous capacity to recall minute details/emotions/bodily 
experiences of every moment we live. Think of people who have been 
involved in an accident who can relive in real time the last few 
seconds of an accident. Then move to an abduction researcher who says 
that only a real event can trigger later emotional recall, i.e. post 
traumatic stress disorder always has its roots in a real physical 
event. It is a strong argument.
Regression hypnosis is utilised to probe deeeper into the mind of an 
abductee who may remember something of an abudction. Under hyponosis 
they recall the entire abduction, they scream, laugh and cry when 
recalling the event.
Take another person who has vague feelings that they have lived 
before, i.e. they have a past life. Regress them and you might 
discover they were burnt at the stake as a witch. As they recall 
burning/dying, under regression, safe in a chair in a room in 1992, 
they scream, cry and show signs on their skin as if induced by heat. 
In another instance what appear to be rope marks might show on their 
skin. Later, it is conclusively show that their story matches the 
storyline of a novel written in the 20th century. This emotional 
evidence falls away, it is meaninglesss, because it was created by the 
mind of the "past lifer."
Has any abductee been screened for past lives?
It seems to me that we should not just be researching abductions, but 
tying it in to current research with out of body experiences, near 
death experiences, and past life research. More in next message.

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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Abduction research
Date: 6 Jan 92 04:17:00 GMT

I wanted to explore the apparent association between the paranormal 
and abductions a bit more. I have noted over the years that a large 
number of researchers have commented on the association of paranormal 
events and the UFO phenomenon in general but the abduction phenomenon 
specifically. In the couple of cases here in Adelaide which I have 
studied closest-in one case coming up to two years now, there were 
numerous paranormal and abduction episodes scattered over the lifetime 
of the abductee. In both instances there were associated poltergeist 
phenomenon, prophetic dreams, precognition, out of body experiences, 
and other unusual episodes. Now, poltergeist events are fairly 
rare-for example 3% of the British population reckon they have 
experienced poltergeists. Apparitions-some 11-14% of the population. 
OBE;s say up to 10% of the population. Now by statistical chance one
particular person has a probability of 3/100
times 11/100 times 10/100 etc of having all the events happen to them. 
For this particular person to also be an abductee which is a very 
small percentage of the total population seems to be to indicate 
something unusual about this individual. Interesting! Now if you 
examine the mainstream psychological literature on the fantasy-prone 
individual you will see that in Barber and Wilson's original 1981 work 
they found that some 3/4 of FPPers had OBEs, saw apparitions etc.
Now, does that mean some individuals are open to paranromal events 
including abductions? Do the real aliens zero in on psychic people? 
Are FPPers really psychic or does their imagination create a belief in 
them that these paranormal episodes occur? 
The questions needing answering are numerous.
I'd like to see a standard set of questions about their paranormal 
experiences given to all abductees when they are interviewed. I feel 
we may learn that most if not all abductees score above average for 
paranormal events in their lives. Interestingly, Budd Hopkins' work 
has never explored or indicated any paranormal events to any of his 
abductees.
I'll be exploring this connection myself in an article I'm currently 
writing, to open up some dialogue.

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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: RESEARCH
Date: 6 Jan 92 04:19:00 GMT

Sorry Sheldon, I'm in the dark as much as you on the term "RESEARCH". 
Is this another folder on PARANET? Perhaps Mike Corbin could 
illuminate us?

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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Abductions
Date: 7 Jan 92 05:43:00 GMT

Hi Jim, there is a copy of the UFORA Australian abduction and missing 
time catalogue on its way to you by airmail-should be there in about 
10 days.
Re the question of objective/subjective. Eddie Bullard's massive 
review of abduction texts left him with the impression that the 
subjective elements of the abduction experience outwayed the objective 
elements. I think by this he was suggesting a psychological basis 
rather than a physical basis to the phenomenon. In the Dec 91 issue of 
the UK Journal "Fortean Times" Eddie is interviewed by Bob Rickard: 
page 49:-
"FT: You have said-in Jerome Clark's UFO Encyclopedia-that you incline 
towards a psychological or psycho-social interpretation of these 
stories, but the physical evidnce in some of these case troubled you. 
Are you any nearer to resolving that dilemma?
EB: No, not really. Some abduction cases have to be psychological; 
there's no way the events could really have happened as described."

In the local abduction cases I've been involved with a woman, as a 
young girl reports being levitated off her bed and floated through a 
wall, then follows the classical medical examination and trip around 
the ship, plus being show her future life. How objective is being 
floated through a wall? That's what I meant by some subjective and 
some objective elements that need to be dealt with.

A classic Australian abduction is that of Maureen Puddy who whilst in 
the company of VUFORS UFO researchers Paul Norman and Judith Magee 
lasped unto unconsciousness in a car, and then reported being inside a 
round room, entity there etc. She never physically left their presence 
yet an abduction event occurred.

Question, if we and Eddie accept that some cases are psychological and 
yet these psyhcological caused ones tell exactly the same story as a 
"real" abduction, how do we tell them apart? How can you prove a real 
one was real? THis would be a good question to ask Eddie, which cases 
does he feel are psychological?

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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Research
Date: 7 Jan 92 05:51:00 GMT

Lest people get the impression that I'm sugegsting that THE answer to 
abductions is simply psychological, I'm not. I think they deserve 
serious scientific attention by health professionals. However, let's 
investigate the psychological possibilities whilst looking at all 
aspects. I don't think many of the "pro ETH" anduction researchers 
have done this yet. For example, in his otherwise excellent MUFON 
Symposium paper on abductions, John S Carpenter, a psychologist, 
reviewed a number of possible psychopathological explanations for 
abductions, including psychosis, schizophrenia, hysteria, dissociative 
states, paranoia, and sociopathic personality and quite rightly 
decides that these explanations are inadequate in explaining many 
abduction cases. However, despite the fantasy prone personality 
hypothesis having been around since 1988 he doesn't discuss it at 
all-never mentions it as worthy of review. I'm quite happen to 
entertain the ETH as an answer, but based on data and omitting no 
possibilities.

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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Australian abductions
Date: 8 Jan 92 03:17:00 GMT

A while ago Michael Corbin asked me to describe some of our 
abduction/missing times cases for you. This and the following messages 
provided summaries of the 17 cases I have been associated with over 
the last few years:-

1. Sep/Oct 1970  Sydney New South Wales "Adrian".
One night a man noticed a red/orange glow in the bush close to his 
home. He took his dog and went to investigate. Getting closer to it he 
saw a glow illuminating the area. His dog became excited and dashed 
into the bush. There next appears a discontinuity in his physical and 
emotional recall-an apparent period of "missing time." He next 
recalled seeing an owl fly past him and he could hear his own internal 
thought : 'There's something I should remember.' Strangely, he felt 
comfortable with this, lost interest in the glow and went home.
(UFORA91036 Keith Basterfield and Julia Elsbeth).

2. 1972 Largs Bay South Australia  "Carol Williams."
A 27 year old woman reported a lifelong series of experiences which 
commenced with a CE1 at age 6. This was followed by other UFO 
experiences, poltergeist activity, telepathy, precognitive dreams, an 
out of body experience, lucid dreams, hypnagogic imagery and sleep 
paralysis, amongst other things. Of particular interest was a 
recurrent nightmare of encounters with a strange dwarf in an unusual 
room. Memories of some of these events were triggered after watching 
an "Unsolved Mysteries" segment on abductions on television. Under 
regression recollection eventuated of one abduction at age 9. Partial 
recollection of a second possible abduction at age 15 ran into a 
mental block. A friend of hers participated in some of the 
experiences and was present in the same room at the age 15 episode. 
Regression of this second woman confirmed parts of carol's story but 
not the abduction.
(UFORA89036  UFORSA & Keith Basterfield).

3. 1974 Elizabeth South Australia  "Lisa."
A woman recalled, that as a 9 year old girl, she and a friend observed 
a UFO at close range in suburban Elizabeth. As she had memories of 
observing the UFO from two different locations a fraction of a second 
apart, she suspected a period of missing time. Regression revealed no 
abduction scenario.
(UFORA89037  UFORSA & Keith Basterfield.)

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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Australian abductions 2
Date: 8 Jan 92 03:32:00 GMT

4. 1977-1989  Adelaide South Australia "Anne Hastings."
A 34 year old woman related at least 3 encounters with entities. The 
first appears to be religious. On the second, one night she suddenly 
found herself recalling that she had somehow been in a very large room 
where there had been a large number of human-like figures, including a 
human child about age 10. The room showed no apparent source of 
illumination. It was warmly lit-a very light soft blue colour. 
Breathing was no problem, gravity was normal and the temperature was 
skin temperature. She can recall conversing with the child. On the 
following occasion she had retired to bed when she found herself 
drifting through tunnels. Suddenly she was in a room. This time the 
people present were not human. They had pointed faces, large heads, 
and slanted very dark blue eyes. Their heads were quite swollen at the 
forehead, with their ears being little, with no lobes as such. They 
had thin bodies, were grey in colour and short in stature. One of the 
female aliens was carrying a baby. The baby had its arms outstretched 
and the witness asked to hold and nurse it. Suddenly, she knew she had 
to go and found herself back in bed. She quickly fell asleep. In her 
teens she underwent precognitive dreams and later in life (continuing) 
precognitive visions.
(UFORA89016  Ray Brooke & Keith Basterfield.)

5. Mar 1978  Gisborne New Zealand  'P'
Three women were involved in an apparent abduction event in the midst 
of a large UFO flap near Gisborne which began in 1977. One night they 
were lying on a hillside watching the skies, and felt that a period of 
missing time occurred. Shortly after the event a regression hypnosis 
sesssion was arranged and an abduction scenario revealed. In 1989 
during a retrospective investigation by Keith Basterfield and Bill 
Chalker, a regression session was conducted with 'P'. This revealed an 
account of being drawn up a beam of light, and of talking to a male 
entity. All 3 women then found themselves back on the hillside.
(UFORA89017 Original investigation by Bryan Dickeson. 1989 by Keith 
Basterfield and Bill Chalker.)

6. 1979  Melbourne  Victoria "Mark."
A man retied to bed one night at about 11 p.m. Shortly after closing 
his eyes he lost all sense of sound and feeling and found himself 
travelling in a tunnel through space. Looking forwards he noted a 
light at the end of the tunnel. His next awareness was of lying on a 
table in a "craft". He was being medically examined by 3 beings. One 
of the beings seemed to be a human female, with long blonde hair. The 
other 2 were some 150cm tall, fat and of a dark brown colour. These 
latter two had plumpish faces, large eyes, a large nose and bigger 
lips and ears than us. They addressed him in English and seemed like 
scientists. When they intoruced a "scanner" he "freaked out" and woke 
up in his own bed. All his teeth were numb and his knuckles were 
white.
(Garry Little.)

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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Australian abductions 3
Date: 8 Jan 92 03:50:00 GMT

7. 1980-1989  Adelaide South Australia "Barbara White."
A young woman wanted assistance to determine the origin of 3 
relatively large triangular scars on her forehead which had simply 
appeared over night some 2 years prior. Over a 10 year period Barbara 
saw UFOs, had a near death out of body experience, and a peak 
experience. She also experienced telepathy, precognitive visions, 
sleep paralysis, hypnagogic imagery, and other psychic style events. 
As to the marks on the forehead she did have recollections of 
something touching her forehead during one night, following which the 
marks were seen the next day which later resulted in the current 
scars. Under regression she recounted how a "shadow" was in her room 
and shone a laser-like beam of light onto her forehead.
(UFORA90038  UFORSA & Keith Basterfield.)

8. 24 Oct 1981  Port Lincoln  South Australia Messrs P & J
2 young men were travelling by car when they encountered a "white 
endless space" where a time loss of several hours is said to have 
occurred. During this lost time they have vague memories of a "being" 
and recalled "...walking into a big room..." Just prior to this 
"space" they had been watching a mysterious light in the sky. They did 
not wish a complete investigation.
(Keith Basterfield & Pony Godic).

9. 1983  Darwin Northern Territory  "Simon".
A 16 year old reported a series of events which included a night time 
encounter, a number of dreams and also observations of entities about 
the house. However, his sketches of the entities were straight copies 
of Betty Andreasson's beings copied from the original Fowler book 
which he had read. An investigation revealed a possible psychologcal 
explanation for the story.
(Keith Basterfield & Pony Godic.)

10 Ca 1988  Adelaide South Australia  "Jan".
A married woman went to bed one night and during the night had a very 
vivid experience which she believes was not a dream. She found herself 
in this white space. Present were 3 entities. They were some 210cm 
tall, and covered in gowns. She wasn't frightened of them. She had a 
discussion with them. Next morning she had a vivid recall of the 
events of the night apart from the content of the conversation. 
Personality changes ensued from that time. Since then she has reported 
episodes of sleep paralysis, and other unusual activity.
(UFORA91037 Keith Basterfield.)

11 Ca 1988 Mid North South Australia "Elizabeth."
Over a number of years a woman has experienced interactions with 
aliens. All these have taken place in her bedroom on the interface 
between sleep and wakefulness. Some of the episodes have involved 
sexual contact.
(UFORA91038 Keith Basterfield.)

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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Australian abductions 4
Date: 8 Jan 92 04:03:00 GMT

12 1988(?)  Adelaide South Australia "Frank."
A man reported that he was in 2 way communication with aliens via an 
implant in his ear. During an investigation it was revealed that he 
had undergone 2 apparent out of body experiences where he was "sucked 
out" of his body. He indicated that during these episodes he had been 
taken onboard a UFO. His account was set in the context of the Ashtar 
command via automatic writing.

13 Lifelong  Adelaide South Australia  "Susan."
A 31 year old woman told how at age 10-11 she was abducted from her 
bedroom by 1 tall and a group of small, entities. The smaller beings 
were some 120cm tall, with large bald heads. They had large eye 
sockets, no visible pupils, with dark blue or black eyes. With a slit 
mouth and a small nose. The taller being seemed to be in command, and 
was some 210cm tall. Susan was levitated off the bed and taken to a 
circular "room" where she received a medical examination whilst lying 
on a metal table.  The next conscious recollection was of waking up in 
her own bed. Regression sessions documented her abduction claim. This 
woman also recounts numerous lifelong episodes of such things as 
poltergeist activity, a sense of presence, being told she levitated 
whilst she slept, seeing objects such as childrens'tricycles moving by 
themselves, experiencing apparitions, precognitive visions, telepathy 
and spirit photographs. There were also claims of unusual implants in 
her mouth. In addition there are fragmentary recall of a number of 
other abductions. The case is set in the context of the woman being an 
adult survivor of childhood sexual abuse.
(UFORA90045  UFORSA & Keith Basterfield.)

14 Lifelong  Tasmania/South Australia  "Nigel."
A number of paranormal and abduction-like events were reported by a 27 
year old man in 1990. These included a 1987 event in which he woke 
paralysed in bed. Something was being pushed into a vein in his arm. 
Upon awakening he found a hole in his arm from which blood was 
issuing.
(UFORA90066 Keith Basterfield & Julia Elsbeth.)

15 Jul 1989  Adelaide South Australia  "Julian."
A man and his wife have recollections of being abducted on the same 
night. He recalls an entity with oval shaped head, large black eyes, a 
slit for a mouth and nostrils, looking at him.
(UFORA91098  Keith Basterfield.)

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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Australian abductions 5
Date: 8 Jan 92 04:10:00 GMT

16  Jun 1988 Jamestown South Australia  "Bronte."
A 58 year old farmer related that one night he experienced an unusual 
"attack" whilst in bed. Later he saw a UFO at close range and found a 
disturbed area of ground.
(UFORSA).

17  1988-1990  Melbourne Victoria  "Rita."
Several unusual episodes are said to have occurred to a Victorian 
woman. Episodes included her 6 year old son telling her that several 
small men entered his bedroom, shinign a "torch" at him. In addition 
her 14 year old daughter told her she had seen a large, luminous 
object floating down their driveway. The woman herself had been 
physically pulled out of bed by "something" one night. Finally, the 
woman recalled a "dream" from age 7 in which 3 "pixies" entered her 
room and took her away.
(UFORA91044 Keith Basterfield.)

These then are the cases I have been associated with so far. Note the 
variety of experiences, the tunnel like manner of some abductions, 
similar to near death experience imagery.

Comments, etc are sought.

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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Welcome Back!
Date: 12 Jan 92 05:42:03 GMT


In a message to All <09-Jan-92 05:14> David Jacobs wrote: 

DJ> I would like to say hello to all my friends and colleagues 
DJ> again.  

Hi Dave, and welcome back! Discussion is just now starting to pick
up on this echo (as I'm certain you've noticed), so you couldn't
have been more timely in your return. I know Mike Corbin has been
working furiously to set up a node for you in PA. I see he's
succeeded.

DJ> It seems that I have resurfaced after all these months.  
                         ^^^^^^^^^^  
Ah Ha, so you've been vacationing at the underground base in
Dulce... that explains your mysterious disappearance.<g> Seriously,
I know how busy you've been. Your book is due out in March, is it
not? Can't wait to read it. 

DJ> I will wait for some messages in the hopes of  
DJ> getting up an interesting dialogue on abductions and UFOs. 

There are quite a few in the message base now for you to scan
through and comment on. Also, if you have received my letter of a
couple weeks back, and have not yet responded, please feel free to
do so in this forum.   Thanks --

Take care,

Sheldon

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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: I'm Back.
Date: 12 Jan 92 19:10:00 GMT


 >  I would like to say hello to all my friends and colleagues again.  It
 >  seems that I have resurfaced after all these months.  I only have a few
 >  seconds left on the BBS so I will wait for some messages in the hopes
 > of
 >  getting up an interesting dialogue on abductions and UFOs.

Welcome back Dave!  Hope to see you posting often.  Keith Basterfield has been 
anxiously awaiting your re-appearance.  Enjoy!

Mike

P.S.  Make an announcement on your upcoming book.

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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Abduction Research
Date: 13 Jan 92 01:11:01 GMT


 
Hello Keith, and many thanks for the most interesting statistical
data and condensed case histories you have provided us with.
Intercontinental dialogue at its finest - thanks to ParaNet.

The paranormal/abduction correlation you suspect does seem to
manifest itself in at least 5 out of 6 cases I am personally
familiar with. One woman, while a student at Southern Illinois
University, reported numerous poltergeist type incidents, such as
overturned water glasses righting themselves, and drapes opening
spontaneously. Another, reported a single, very profound OBE, in
which her image allegedly became visible to a friend. All recited
accounts of prophetic dreams, clairvoyance, precognition, etc.

First we must determine conclusively, through the currently
available percipient profile database, if this posited link does
indeed exist. Next, we must construct hypotheses that conform to
the observed data. Many questions must be answered, some of which
you touched upon in your last message. 

Are individuals that are susceptible to paranormal events, also
prospective abductees? Do abductees, ex post facto, then become
"paranormal prone"? How do we define and confirm the paranormal
event? I agree with you that it seems likely that most abductees
would score higher than average on a standardized paranormal
aptitude test.

Personally, I feel that the majority of the UFO/abduction scenario
may be more of an intangible psycho-sociological phenomenon than
anything else. I base this observation on the fact that after all
these years, we have little (some would say none!) physical
confirmation of UFO's/abductions. MOST, but NOT all UFO sightings
can be resolved through temporal mechanisms. The most popular point
of departure for abductees of late has become the percipient's
bedroom - which augments the probability of hypnopompic/hypnogogic
imagery. Your cited case of Maureen Puddy, lapsing into
unconsciousness in the presence of VUFORS investigators, and later
reciting an abduction event which could not have been physical,
lends credence to some type of psychological etiology. What
happened to Maureen was certainly far more complex than a dream -
but what was it? 

I, like you Keith, am not stating that the abduction issue can be
satisfactorily settled through known psychological mechanisms.
Obviously, it's just not that rudimentary. However, it does appear
that psychological method is the primary vehicle to utilize in
unraveling this enigma.

Thanks again Keith for your post,

Sheldon @ FIDO 1:11/50
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: I'm back.
Date: 11 Jan 92 18:35:00 GMT


 >  I would like to say hello to all my friends and colleagues again.  It
 >  seems that I have resurfaced after all these months.  I only have a few
 >
 >  seconds left on the BBS so I will wait for some messages in the hopes
 > of
 >  getting up an interesting dialogue on abductions and UFOs.
 >
Ahlevai! Welcome back, David. I hope you have been able to track the last few
weeks worth of messages on this echo. If not, please advise and one of us can
use FastForward to update Chris's message base.

We're finally getting some good traffic here, with the participation of
Basterfield, Wernikoff, Rodeghier, and perhaps a real-live abductee or two.

To the lurkers out there, this is one area where you may use an alias, so
please feel free to post, especially if you have some suspicions that you may
have had the abduction experience.

Jim

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From: Brent.Wilcox@p5.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Brent Wilcox)
Subject: Premature Births
Date: 13 Jan 92 01:03:24 GMT

I won't claim that all abduction experiences stem from this source,
but I wonder if anyone has pursued this angle...

I've encountered a few people on BBS systems who claim abduction
experiences, or "borderline" abduction experiences -- paranormal
encounters that are similar but not quite the same as "alien
abductions".

Several of them -- it came out -- were born prematurely.  I'm aware
of the "birth trauma" theory of abductions, and wonder is anyone has
looked for premie births in the data.  Even more potentially
traumatic than birth itself might be being stuck in an incubator
and/or hooked to life support equipment.



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