.id AA08033; Mon, 31 Jul 95 08:48:18 CDT
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:48:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 69



              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5  Num. 69
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")


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Troy Underhill on KSFO Radio
July 19, 1995

Troy Underhill, of *Media Bypass* magazine, was the guest on a 
radio show out of the San Francisco area recently. He discussed 
the explosive James R. Norman article, "Fostergate" (in the 
current issue of *Media Bypass*; phone 1-800-4BYPASS to order).

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GEOFF METCALF [continues]:
You have sent these magazines to the various members. When do you 
expect to hear from them?


TROY UNDERHILL:
I expect to talk to our legal counsel tomorrow and see precisely 
what the legal counsel for the House and the Senate are trying to 
get from us. And if we can work out some kind of arrangement 
where a live, nationally-televised camera is on...


GEOFF METCALF:
Now you realize, we've had complaints from people all over the 
country, thus far, complaining that the Whitewater hearings are 
*not* being covered, live and in person {6}.


TROY UNDERHILL:
Sure. That's... We're gonna see how badly they really want it. Or 
is it... Some people that we have contact with, that can supply 
bank numbers, believe the only reason these bank numbers -- which 
are *not* readily available! -- that the Senate and the House 
want them, is to be able to change them or cover them up.

Once a number, always a number when it comes to dealing in 
international financing -- when you talk about very secretive, 
coded bank accounts. And they can't go in and change it, unless 
they have the access codes. Very few people in this country, 
believe it or not, Geoff, have those access codes.


GEOFF METCALF:
You see, I think the greatest impediment to this thing being 
revealed in its entirety is that, last couple of years, that two 
billion dollars that's been swept out of accounts: those guys 
*know* that somebody's on to them.


TROY UNDERHILL:
Yeah, but there's a paper trail. See? There's a paper trail that 
cannot be denied. Computer records stay forever. You know, you 
can go in and delete a computer...


GEOFF METCALF:
Yeah, but what I'm saying is, some of the people who potentially 
may be linked to this thing can claim, for reasons of "national 
security" or whatever, that they cannot reveal the information.


TROY UNDERHILL:
Sure they can. Sure they can. But there's a power... We have a 
first amendment to our Constitution in the United States of 
America which gives myself, and my publication (or should I say, 
the publication I work for) the right to print what we want to 
print, if we feel that it is without malice. Supreme Court 
rulings have upheld this right. And now the ball's in their 
corner. Let... If they think that they can discredit this story, 
based on *facts*, and they want to do this in an open, public 
forum, we can bring the people out who could probably change the 
course of this country for the betterment of *all* of the 
American people.


GEOFF METCALF:
Troy, let's talk to Steve, who's been waiting for awhile, in 
Oakland. You're on KSFO with Troy Underhill and Geoff Metcalf. 
Howdy.


STEVE:
Thank you very much. Yes, I have a couple kinds of 
comments/questions.

I was just on the phone with Barbara Boxer's office [D- 
California, senator] in San Francisco, just not 30 minutes ago. 
And I wanted to alert them to the fact that this newscast was 
going on the air. And I got a very distasteful reaction from the 
staff member that I spoke with.


GEOFF METCALF:
[laughs]


STEVE:
He didn't... First of all, he didn't know anything about 
Fostergate. He didn't know anything about Jim Norman or the 
details of the CIA connection, or anything to do with [Vince] 
Foster and the Swiss bank accounts.

And it seems to me that that information's been all over the 
Internet!


TROY UNDERHILL:
Sure it has.


STEVE:
For weeks! And I just wonder where these... And I believe Barbara 
Boxer's on the Senate Banking Committee, along with D'Amato. And 
I just wondered where these people... You know. It's, the 
reaction I got was very disheartening. And I would implore that 
everybody who's listening to this broadcast contact Boxer's 
office and let them know just how badly off the mark she is!


TROY UNDERHILL:
One significant thing that you need to do (and a lot of people 
don't realize this): I have three friends who are 
representatives, U.S. House of Representatives members right now: 
you're not going to get a response via a local office. You need 
to call Washington, D.C. And they may not do anything. But the 
message *is* gonna get to them.

What they do, when you call a local office, is, they take a brief 
comment from everyone, throughout the day. At the end of the week 
there'll be, like, eight comments about "so-and-so". They'll fax 
it to D.C., and that's all there is.


GEOFF METCALF:
Here's a classic story [unclear] a couple days ago. It happened 
during the GATT [Global Agreement on Tariffs and Trade] debate. 
Some people contacted Senator Feinstein's office, and were 
complaining about the GATT vote. And she said (the staffer said), 
"Well public opinion is strongly in favor of this!" And the 
caller said, "Well, wait a minute. How many calls have you had, 
complaining?" And she said, "Well that's what I don't understand! 
All the calls we're getting are opposite of what public opinion 
is!"

<shouts> HELLO?!


TROY UNDERHILL:
Right before the vote, the American people, 72 percent, *didn't* 
*want* *it*!


GEOFF METCALF:
Troy, I'm gonna have to roll. I thank you kindly for joining us. 
I thank you for the opportunity to have broken this, here on 
KSFO.

Again. People who want to subscribe to *Media Bypass*, can't find 
it in the store somewhere, you can just call 1-800-4BYPASS.

Troy, thank you very kindly.


TROY UNDERHILL:
Thanks, Geoff.


GEOFF METCALF:
I look forward to talking to you again soon. Take care.

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{6} "...complaining that the Whitewater hearings are *not* being 
covered, live and in person." Recall the summer of 1973, when 
afternoon soap operas were *pre-empted* for live coverage of the 
Watergate hearings. Now, your best bet seems to be PBS's McNeil- 
Lehrer, or wait until the weekend and watch non-stop coverage of 
the past week's hearings -- if you have C-Span.

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