.id AA18800; Thu, 27 Jul 95 19:34:15 CDT
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 19:34:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 67



              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5  Num. 67
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")


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Troy Underhill on KSFO Radio
July 19, 1995

Troy Underhill, of *Media Bypass* magazine, was the guest on a 
radio show out of the San Francisco area recently. He discussed 
the explosive James R. Norman article, "Fostergate" (in the 
current issue of *Media Bypass*; phone 1-800-4BYPASS to order).

I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or parts 
of the following. Persons mentioned are invited to send their 
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probable distribution.
                         -- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-Chief

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GEOFF METCALF [continues]:
And he's been holding for quite a while, so let's get to Bill, 
first. Bill, in San Francisco, you're on KSFO with Troy Underhill 
and Geoff Metcalf. Howdy!


BILL:
Hi, Troy. I read Ron Paul's newsletter, and they talked about 
Clinton having a Cayman Islands bank account, an off-shore 
account, in Chelsea's name. He got a bunch of money funneled 
there.

And also, I'd like to know, how do they get money from Swiss bank 
accounts? I thought those were untouchable. How are they pullin' 
it out of the account?


TROY UNDERHILL:
Well, it's when you can enter into a "back door". Now Geoff 
wanted me to keep it simple and I'm not the computer analyst that 
some people, that have documented the information in this 
article...


GEOFF METCALF:
Basically, what the PROMIS software did, and the way it was 
converted by Bob Maxwell and the guy, the guys who were peddling 
it: it allowed the banks to track the transactions, but we could 
"sneak in" through the "back door". That's what the CIA was 
doing, is what a group of guys...


TROY UNDERHILL:
We can go into account #179437... There's like a 60-digit row of 
numbers that equal one bank account. And we can enter that bank 
account, and then take... Let's say there was a 5 million dollar 
transaction in that bank account that day. We could take the 
*transaction* data account number and move it to another account! 
And that's, the next morning, that's where it is.


BILL:
But they'd only do that to people who wouldn't make a stink about 
it, right?


TROY UNDERHILL:
They... I would say this: that some very prominent politicians in 
our U.S. House of Representatives and our U.S. Senate are 
involved in this. And the name for Systematics, Incorporated, 
Jackson Stephens, who is a billionaire out, just "happens to be" 
out of Arkansas, if people will look at who is financing a major 
contribution to Bob Dole's presidential election, you will find a 
man by the name of Jackson Stephens.


BILL:
Hey, Troy?


TROY UNDERHILL:
Yes, sir.


BILL:
What about this Clinton and the Cayman Islands?


TROY UNDERHILL:
I've heard some about that. A person, a friend of mine who has a 
friend who has a friend, who has access to some of these bank 
account numbers, says that that was not as credible as it was 
built up to be, and there was never an account down there that 
they could find. And these men are...


BILL:
In Chelsea's name.


TROY UNDERHILL:
Yes. It was "Chelsea Rodham" I believe, or "Chelsea Jefferson". 
These men work for the agency [CIA] as computer hackers, and they 
could not find any trace of it in that location.


GEOFF METCALF:
Bill, I thank you for the call. We're gonna have to take a brief 
pause, and then we'll come back to Troy Underhill and continue 
our discussion about their controversial story called 
"Fostergate", which will be in the August issue.

Troy, a lot of people are asking: Can they *only* get *Media 
Bypass* by the phone number? Or can they get it in a bookstore 
somewhere?


TROY UNDERHILL:
There is, we have about 400 distributors, mainly in the midwest. 
There's a few out west. But they can call an 800 number [info on 
how to subscribe].


GEOFF METCALF:
Good enough. In the meantime, we're gonna talk to Virginia, in 
Sonol(?). You're on KSFO with Troy Underhill and Geoff Metcalf. 
Hi, Virginia!


VIRGINIA:
Hi. How are you?


GEOFF METCALF:
Good, thank you.


VIRGINIA:
Geoff, we've talked before. Troy, nice to hear from you.

And I would like to comment that this is not a new story. The 
first coverage of this (and it pertains not just to any 
particular president, but to our intelligence community as a 
whole) dates back to a *Wired* article in December of 1993 that 
dealt with FINCEN. And the article was written by Anthony 
Kemmering. And it pertains to every individual out there. The 
United States government is trying to track anything over 100 
dollars in any bank account for any individual citizen in the 
U.S. FINCEN is the agency created by the United States 
government. And it's (FINCEN stands for FINancial Crimes 
Enforcement Network) to monitor banking.

And FINCEN used PROMIS as a "back door", they had a "trojan 
horse". But thereby a man named Michael Riconosciuto and the 
Wackenhut Security Corporation, which was Bill Casey's firm, to 
follow up third world nations in their bankings with the larger 
banks, within the United States.

There has been many deaths over this {5}. I don't know if Troy's 
familiar with Danny Casolaro, but he was executed in Martinsburg, 
West Virginia, over this story. Two weeks prior to Danny's death, 
there was an execution murder in Guatemala of a financial news 
network stringer by the name of Anton Inge(?). And Alan Cranston 
drew our attention to that -- former senator Alan Cranston.


GEOFF METCALF:
Virginia, there is a long list of names, that continues to grow 
in length, of people who have died mysteriously and/or through 
alleged "suicides" and what not. We've published the list in the 
past. We've put it out. It's available to those people who want 
it.


VIRGINIA:
Well Geoff, the point is, this goes right back to the Kennedy 
assassination. And the name of the book that you can trace it 
with, in case your listeners are interested, is *Murder of a 
City: Tacoma* by John Gold(sp?), a.k.a. Fred Lee Crisman(sp?). 
And [Jim] Garrison subpoenaed Mr. Gold. And Mr. Gold, under the 
name "Fred Lee Crisman", was subpoenaed, and thought to be the 
short, stocky hobo in Dallas, by Mr. Garrison.

And all I wanted to tell your listeners is, that Michael 
Riconosciuto is detailed in length, along with the O.S.S. 
connection, by Mr. Garrison, long before this story ever became 
front page news.


GEOFF METCALF:
I tell you what, Virginia. I'd like to put you on hold. And if 
you'd be kind enough to give a phone number to my producer's son, 
or where I can get a hold of you off the air, I'd like to do that 
again.

In the meantime, let's get to Mark in Pleasant Hill. You're on 
KSFO with Troy Underhill and Geoff Metcalf. Hi!


MARK:
Yes, Geoff. Is there any relationship with some of the 
international banking thing, that has to do with this Senate bill 
307 for the two currencies? I called in, yesterday, and you were 
not able to ask... was it Pat Choate about that? Senate bill 307?


GEOFF METCALF:
Yeah. I know what that has to do with: the blue and the red 
money.


MARK:
Right. But the thing is, the whole point of this is, is that 
devaluation of the currency, within the United States. This is, 
I've heard this from a number of different sources. Not only from 
*Coin World* magazine, but North American Trading Company, who 
advertises on KSFO and also, other sources that say this. Is 
there any relationship to the new change of currency, the 
devaluation of the currency for the... The new currency that 
would come out, in other words, the fact that, I'm hearing that 
the money would end and it would be made, the new denomination 
currency that will be made to replace the old stuff, will be 
worth less in this country versus *outside* the country.


GEOFF METCALF:
Well I tell ya what. You're digressing a little bit on what we're 
talking about here. And I don't know if...


MARK:
Is there any relationship to what Mr. Underhill has... when he 
was referring to international banking and things like that?


GEOFF METCALF:
Well let's ask him. Troy, is there anything that magazine is 
working on, connected with that?


TROY UNDERHILL:
Well, I'll say this, Geoff. I don't know how many months you've 
had our magazine. We're in the middle of our third year. And 
these are the types, along with educational, historical, 
constitutional issues, that we've been dealing with since our 
inception.

And with the paper currency, that's another tracking mechanism, 
versus overseas, where it would be a different color 
denomination. We have dealt with these subjects and with [those 
of] the lady who spoke with, that called in just a moment ago. We 
have been doing this.

But the thing that makes this, that we feel makes this story *so* 
*prominent*, is the fact that the involvement with one of the 
leading, one of the what a lot of us would call the "secular 
media" or the "controlled" media. [i.e., connection to *Forbes* 
of Jim Norman, author of the "Fostergate" article.]

                   [...to be continued...]

--------------------------<< Notes >>----------------------------
{5} "There has been many deaths over this." See, for example, the 
article by Nick Guarino of *The Wall Street Underground*, 
beginning in CN 3.55, which went out in January of this year.

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