.id AA05155; Wed, 26 Jul 95 20:24:03 CDT
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 20:24:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 66



              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5  Num. 66
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")


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Troy Underhill on KSFO Radio
July 19, 1995

Troy Underhill, of *Media Bypass* magazine, was the guest on a 
radio show out of the San Francisco area recently. He discussed 
the explosive James R. Norman article, "Fostergate" (in the 
current issue of *Media Bypass*; phone 1-800-4BYPASS to order).

I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or parts 
of the following. Persons mentioned are invited to send their 
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JEFF METCALF:
Well, Troy, it's a bipartisan thing. There's no question about 
that. But, Troy... I'll hunker down, if you want to take some 
phone calls in a moment, right after we do a little bit of 
business.

We're speaking with Troy Underhill, from *Media Bypass* magazine. 
Their August issue, an article by James Norman, which said that 
Vince Foster was under investigation by the CIA for having sold 
secrets to the Israelis! And that, a couple of weeks before he 
died, he realized that he had 2.73 million bucks that he had 
squirreled away in a Swiss bank account, [and] somehow the feds 
got a hold of it. It had been transferred, by wire transfer, to 
the U.S. Treasury.

These are the facts. Those, and more, will be discussed in a 
moment, right after this, on Hot Talk 5600. We invite your phone 
calls to, the Savage Nation, which is this place right here. I'm 
Jeff Metcalf. This is Troy Underhill. We're talking about the 
controversial article that is appearing in the August issue 
(which is just going out now), in *Media Bypass* magazine, that 
says Vince Foster found out, a couple of weeks before he died -- 
I didn't say "killed himself" -- before he *died*, that he was 
under investigation by the CIA.

Now one of the obvious questions, Troy, is, Foster... Yeah. He's 
dead. But the fear is that other people who may have been among 
those two [billion] dollars that was swept out of off-shore 
banks, that they may actually conspire to keep this thing secret.


TROY UNDERHILL:
That is, indeed, correct. One thing that we have on our side is 
we have the opportunity of informing enough of the public where 
they will demand pressure. Take Waco, for instance. And now that 
we've started...


JEFF METCALF:
Take a look at Oklahoma City.


TROY UNDERHILL:
Take a look at Oklahoma City, another good case in point.

The fact of the matter is, there are people in this country, 
right now, that (and I'm gonna keep goin' back to this), if the 
public outcry is intense enough, these people *will* disclose 
irrefutable evidence! By documented evidence, audio tapes of 
wiretapping that had taken place. When we talk about Mr. Foster 
and his meeting up in Maine, shortly... the weekend before he 
died, where they had said that he and Webb Hubbell were up there 
on a weekend of relaxation...


JEFF METCALF:
That was damage control, wasn't it?


TROY UNDERHILL:
That was damage control. They were trying to find out who would 
have known about this money.

The fact of the matter is, Mr. Foster, being in the position that 
he was, also had access (and that being, his position with 
Systematics, working with the National Security Agency), would 
have access to some very secretive, very critical coding and 
encrypting information for some of our nuclear warheads -- by 
virtue of what he was doing -- all under the cloak of the 
National Security Act!

Jeff, this is a very scarey thing that we're in, in this country 
right now. When we talk about Mena, Arkansas and cocaine and 
money laundering, and when we talk about ADFA [Arkansas 
Development Finance Authority], or we talk about Whitewater -- 
those things are just, they're such a small portion of what's 
been going on in this country! And in the world financial 
markets, for the last 12 to 15 years, by virtue of the fact that 
some very... let's say some very sophisticated bank tracking 
software [that] would allow someone, or a group of individuals, 
to access banks' transactions per day, or per week.

And one thing that we in the United States, a lot of us don't 
grasp, is that the paper we carry around in our pocket, the 
federal reserve notes, they are not wealth. They are instruments 
of debt. And what is real wealth is nothing more than numerical 
digits in a bank account: which gives you power, which gives you 
credit potential. *That* is what we're talking about. It's 
something that...


JEFF METCALF:
You need to get Jacques [Unclear] to write an article for your 
magazine, explaining that whole debt thing.


TROY UNDERHILL:
Yeah. It's very intriguing. It's actually mind-boggling. It's 
hard to understand! But if you can somehow access banks, 
throughout the world, and take numbers out of one account and 
transfer, just numbers, to another account, you're instantly, you 
have made, you are wealthy. Or whoever has wealth. Where you and 
I carrying around some paper in our pocket go and buy a burger at 
McDonalds and we think we got a bargain -- or maybe we didn't. 
It's very interesting.


JEFF METCALF:
It kind of personifies the old Meyer Rothschild coda: "I don't 
care who runs the country. Just let me control the money."


TROY UNDERHILL:
That is correct.


JEFF METCALF:
Here's the absolute control, where, with that PROMIS software -- 
that a federal judge said the government stole "by trickery, 
fraud and deceit"...


TROY UNDERHILL:
And what a lot of people don't realize, that that federal judge 
was not reconfirmed, the following year, to his post. He was only 
one of three federal judges that was not reconfirmed.

And then in the appeal, it was overturned. And the government, so 
far, won. {3}.

One thing, when people read this story, they'll read how this all 
started, in 1981, under the Reagan administration. It actually 
probably started as a good thing! They were trying to track, 
through banking transactions, some of the terrorists, 
international terrorists, through the money flows. And they were 
working in co-operation with Israel, because Israel is a number 
one terrorist location. That's where a lot of things...


JEFF METCALF:
And actually, the one thing I want to crystalize for the 
listeners: this was not a plot on the part of the CIA to go after 
a "Clintonista" and nail Vince Foster. They just happened to be 
monitoring transactions from the Mossad and they realized that 
Vince Foster's name jumped up! {4}. So in the normal 
reconnaisance that they were doing, this electronic 
reconnaisance...


TROY UNDERHILL:
They were puttin' this software out all over the world, basically 
to get everyone on the same type of data transmission, the same 
key commands and... so the information would be easy to analyze. 
One thing that allowed these banks -- they even came to know that 
their software was, let's say "tricked out": it had a "back 
door". They weren't gonna say anything because they were havin' 
pressure put on them by the International Monetary Fund and our 
government. They were gonna audit these banks. And these banks, 
most of the major banks throughout the world...


JEFF METCALF:
Well, again: I'm trying to keep it as simple as I can, without 
confusing our listeners too much. But I found it interesting, and 
I'm waiting to hear if the Whitewater hearings are gonna address 
the fact, that documents relating to Systematics were among those 
reportedly taken from Foster's office right after his death. And 
Webb Hubbell's "in the box" today, and I haven't heard them get 
to that yet.


TROY UNDERHILL:
Well I guarantee you one thing, Jeff. If your audience and all 
the other people out there that we are disclosing this 
information to would make that proverbial phone call to, not 
necessarily their congressman or -woman, but to those that are on 
those committees, and let them know that they know, the 
pressure's gonna be on them.

I don't know, as you and I speak today, what's been going on with 
our legal counsel and the legal counsel for the House and Senate. 
But I can tell you this: we, and with the help of some other very 
prominent individuals, are gonna put some major pressure on those 
that are conducting these hearings. And we'll just see if they 
are statesmen, or we'll just see if they are nothing more than...


JEFF METCALF:
Well I was glad to see your plane made it back from Colorado 
without having a "mysterious accident".


TROY UNDERHILL:
[laughs]


JEFF METCALF:
I tell you what. We've got some people who have some comments, on 
the phone, and I want to get to them at 808-5600.

                   [...to be continued...]

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{3} Translation: the lower court judge ruled against the 
government in the case, but his ruling was overturned on appeal. 
The lower court judge, as punishment for daring to rule as he 
did, was not reconfirmed; i.e., he is no longer a federal judge.

{4} "...and Vince Foster's name jumped up..." Yes, but was it 
just a coincidence that Foster's name "jumped up" while CIA was 
monitoring transactions, or did Mossad or someone else 
*purposefully* make Foster's name come up at the critical time?

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