.id AA15741; Tue, 25 Jul 95 15:25:16 CDT
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:25:15 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 64



              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5  Num. 64
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")


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Troy Underhill on KSFO Radio
July 19, 1995

Troy Underhill, of *Media Bypass* magazine, was the guest on a 
radio show out of the San Francisco area recently. He discussed 
the explosive James R. Norman article, "Fostergate" (in the 
current issue of *Media Bypass*; phone 1-800-4BYPASS to order).

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JEFF METCALF:
...today, Troy Underhill from *Media Bypass* magazine who's 
telling us about this controversial "Fostergate" story by James 
R. Norman, which will be in the August issue of *Media Bypass* 
magazine.

Now Troy, what, if any, reaction have you had from the folks who 
are putting on these Whitewater hearings?


TROY UNDERHILL:
Like I said, we have, I have not spoken to our legal counsel, who 
is John DeCamp, one of the most prominent attorneys in this 
country when it comes to first amendment rights. We have many 
Supreme Court decisions that back up our being able to print this 
story. We have not had any reply from the White House. But one: 
the magazine is on the streets; it just went out yesterday. We 
have had *many* tens of thousands of extra copies of this 
publication printed for this month for what we believe to be, is 
going to be a firestorm. The people that are going to be 
receiving this magazine, hand-delivered by myself and two other 
staff members -- we've been invited down to the Perot convention, 
which is just about 3 weeks off, in Dallas. The speakers are 
Dole, Gramm, Pete Wilson, Pat Buchanan, Richard Luger, Arlen 
Specter, Lamar Alexander, Bob Dornan, Alan Keyes, Maury Taylor, 
Newt Gingrich, Trent Lott, Hailey(sp?) Barber, Tom Daschle, Dick 
Gephardt, Chris Dodd... And I could go on and on.


JEFF METCALF:
I'm still waiting for my invitation! Ross hasn't asked me yet. 
[laughs]


TROY UNDERHILL:
Well I'm very surprised that he asked us. He's actually penned a 
letter for our readers, along with a lot of these people that 
I've just mentioned.

The one thing that they probably were not aware of is that their, 
let's say their stance, or their positions on certain issues, to 
our readers, how they clarified them. They probably didn't 
anticipate it bein' in this issue, with this story by Mr. Norman. 
Nor did we, when we envisioned doing this August cover, with Mr. 
Perot and the convention, know that the senior editor of *Forbes* 
magazine was going to allow us to run this story. The fact of the 
matter is, Mr. D'Amato and those involved behind the scenes will 
be getting certified copies of this story, as if they don't 
already have them.

The story *did* run Monday, in the *Jerusalem Post*. And I 
believe it was set to run yesterday (though I've not been able to 
confirm it), that it was going to run in the *London Times*. The 
*Wall Street Journal* has contacted us several times. And I 
anticipate sometime in the near future them going into this story 
once again. (They have covered *Media Bypass* back in April.)


JEFF METCALF:
But Troy, here's an obvious question. Obviously, Vince Foster is 
significant right now because of the questions about his death. A 
lot of people just flat out don't buy it as being a suicide.


TROY UNDERHILL:
Well the facts... I don't know if you saw *Nightline* last night. 
But Accuracy In Media was on, against Ted Koppell. And he [Reed 
Irvine] said at the end, "Ted, if you and the journalists across 
America would just look at the *facts*, you will -- and report it 
honestly to the American people -- there's no way that you can 
deny that Vince Foster, whether he killed himself or was 
murdered, it did *not* happen in Fort Marcy Park."

And the cover up is immense {1}. The reason that Mr. Fiske (a lot 
of the American people don't realize this)... Mr. Fiske had prior 
involvement with BCCI {2}, with representation of his law firm.


JEFF METCALF:
And he was also hand-picked by Webb Hubbell.


TROY UNDERHILL:
Sure. And another thing we have, with Mr. Starr! Mr. Starr, who 
when he was Adjunct General, he *also* recused himself -- excuse 
me. Solicitor General. Under the Reagan administration, when this 
all started, [Starr] recused himself without explanation in a 
matter involving Inslaw and the PROMIS software. The trumped-up 
version being called the "smart" version.


JEFF METCALF:
I tell you what: I don't want to confuse our listeners too much, 
because this *does* get a little convoluted. But let me just say 
this, because I've touched on it in the past: there is a long 
litany... In fact, I faxed you guys an old copy that *I* had, of 
mysterious deaths around Bill Clinton and BCCI and Inslaw. And 
without making any suggestion that, you know, there is some 
nefarious plot afoot here (as many people have), the mere fact 
that the number is now up to 30-something people that died under 
mysterious circumstances around the same thing. You go, "Well..." 
It kind of makes you go, "Huh?"

And inclusive in this article, it's all linked back to Inslaw, 
the PROMIS software, and the fact that these same players (and 
Foster's been involved for a long time)... in insinuating these 
things into other countries so that we would have access to some 
of that information. Now, it looks like it's turnin' around and 
bitin' the dog in the hand now.


TROY UNDERHILL:
Mr. Foster was a behind-the-scenes manager for a support company 
that handled a lot of the secret spy efforts: Systematics. The 
company called "Systematics".

It seems that Systematics has put on the Internet (they're very 
hyperactive litigators)... They are trying to threaten and 
intimidate anybody from bringing out any connection.

When they were contacted by Mr. Norman, they just denied, every 
which way you could imagine, their involvement. Well I have in 
this office, and in several locations throughout the United 
States, a document that shows Rose Law Firm's big corporate 
clients. And Jack Stephens, Inc. and Systematics, Inc. are among 
those clients! The simple fact of the matter is, the reason that 
a lot of people are concerned that those in Congress right now 
are not gonna go into this area are twofold: one is the National 
Security Act; two, it's because there are people that cut across 
*both* party lines that are involved in this. And it all 
started...


JEFF METCALF:
And some of that 2 billion dollars that was cleaned out by the, 
uh...


TROY UNDERHILL:
Correct. And any caller, anybody out there that would think that 
this is a, you know, like they're trying to say with Waco: "It's, 
they're trying to embarrass Bill Clinton" -- this is not an issue 
of Democrat or Republican politics. This is an issue of 
corruption within the highest levels of government in the United 
States. And like we've had in the past in this country, if the 
American people, the 260-some-odd million people in this country 
who are the rightful owners, do not stand up and absolutely 
demand the entire truth, then the trust -- what little trust is 
left in our government with the electorate (*both* political 
parties. You know, there is no favoritism)...

                   [...to be continued...]

--------------------------<< Notes >>----------------------------
{1} "And the cover up is immense." Anticipating the usual, "How 
could there be a cover up, it would have to be immense" type of 
rejoinder -- i.e., in other words, to say that there is an 
immense cover up means that you are "crazy":
       How could the cover up be so immense? That's easy. All 
that's needed is for people to look the other way. Anyone who has 
worked in a corporation knows that, to get ahead, you've got to 
not notice certain things.
       How can people walk down the street and not see the bums 
passed out on the sidewalk? The answer is that, to function, they 
learn not to see certain things.
       Do you want to get ahead? Do you want to "succeed"? The 
price you must pay is to close your eyes when necessary.

{2} "Mr. Fiske had prior involvement with BCCI..." BCCI, Bank of 
Credit and Commerce International. Left implied (but unmentioned) 
is that, allegedly, Hillary Clinton, Webb Hubbell, and Vince Foster 
-- and therefore the Rose Law Firm -- *also* had "prior 
involvement" with BCCI. Sherman Skolnick says that, among others, 
the Rose Law Firm helped allow the rogue bank into the U.S. So 
what Underhill is saying is that Fiske was not really an 
independent investigator into Foster's mysterious death. If 
Fiske's "investigation" were to, for example, lead to BCCI, then 
Fiske might prefer not to probe in that direction.

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