.id AA08596; Mon, 24 Jul 95 22:31:35 CDT
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 22:31:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 63



              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5  Num. 63
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")


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Troy Underhill on KSFO Radio
July 19, 1995

Troy Underhill, of *Media Bypass* magazine, was the guest on a 
radio show out of the San Francisco area recently. He discussed 
the explosive James R. Norman article, "Fostergate" (in the 
current issue of *Media Bypass*; phone 1-800-4BYPASS to order).

I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or parts 
of the following. Persons mentioned are invited to send their 
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JEFF METCALF [host]:
Yes, my name is Jeff Metcalf(sp?), in for Michael Savage on the 
"Savage Nation" on a gorgeous bay area Wednesday afternoon.

And here it is: the August issue of *Media Bypass* magazine has 
an article written by James R. Norman, entitled "Fostergate". And 
to touch on some of the specific details of this compelling 
article (which I have read several times, highlighted, and kind 
of looked at and went "Wow") we have with us on the phone, from 
*Media Bypass* magazine, Troy Underhill.

Good afternoon, Troy.


TROY UNDERHILL:
Good afternoon, Jeff. It's a pleasure to be on your program 
today.


JEFF METCALF:
Appreciate your... I know you've been runnin' around all week. 
When I talked to ya last week, you wanted to come in Friday, I 
wanted to do this on Monday, and you were travelling. So we got 
you... We split the difference: you're here on Wednesday.


TROY UNDERHILL:
Great.

And how timely it is.


JEFF METCALF:
Well I've been saying... I've been listening intently to the 
Whitewater hearings in the Senate. And I keep waiting to see 
if... Because I promised you I wouldn't break this until today -- 
if anything would sneak up that would allude to what is in the 
Norman article. And so far, it hasn't happened. The obvious 
question (as we continue to bury the lead and drive our listeners 
crazy) is, do you expect this is gonna be brought up in the 
Whitewater hearings, this week or next?


TROY UNDERHILL:
Well I can tell you what has transpired since we decided to go 
with the story about two weeks ago. It was all under lock and 
key, as far as getting the information out. Someone on the 
Internet, I believe a gentleman by the name of Sherman Skolnick, 
leaked, on the Internet...


JEFF METCALF:
I saw. I tell ya: before we go any further, let me tell our 
listeners two basic things: number one, a couple of weeks before 
Vince Foster died, everybody acknowledged that he was in kind of 
a depression. Well, they say that he was upset because of, you 
know, *Wall Street Journal* articles and other kind of B.S. The 
fact of the matter is, he had learned that he was under 
investigation for espionage by the CIA!


TROY UNDERHILL:
That is, indeed, correct.


JEFF METCALF:
And you go: "Well wait a minute! That's crazy!" But what made him 
think that?

Well his first indication that something "wasn't right in Dodge" 
was, he inquired into his coded bank account in a Swiss bank, and 
he found that the $2.73 million that he had stashed there had 
"gone away". It was zeroed out! It was empty! And the money had 
been transferred to -- where? Tell us, Troy.


TROY UNDERHILL:
The U.S. Treasury, sir. The U.S. Treasury.


JEFF METCALF:
Up jumped the Devil, Vince gets a little nervous. He cancels a 
two day trip to Geneva (that's been acknowledged) and he starts 
askin' around -- you know, "What's goin' on?! What's goin' on?!"

So that's the basis. And it gets a lot deeper than that. But 
what's happened since this was leaked, Troy?


TROY UNDERHILL:
Since this was leaked, our office has been receiving many phone 
calls from legal counsel with the House and the Senate judiciary, 
and the banking committees. We have referred those people... They 
wanted to come to our office last week and review our documents. 
Of course, as journalists, we had no intention of revealing our 
documentation that we had nor where we actually *got* the 
documentation -- unless we could do that in front of God and 
every live television program, every live television camera in 
the United States of America.

People that have supplied the information for this story are 
people that would go to prison for the rest of their known lives. 
Because they have violated what is called "The National Security 
Act".

In a nutshell, the National Security Act was set up by our 
federal government so they could blatantly lie to the American 
people and cover up any covert operations and, basically, get 
themselves "off the hook" by being able to lie in public and 
never have the information disseminated to the American people!


JEFF METCALF:
Now, wait a minute. This shouldn't have been any great, quick 
flash to 'em. Back in April, [Jim] Norman sent a written request 
to the White House...


TROY UNDERHILL:
That is correct.


JEFF METCALF:
...asking for, you know, clarification and so forth on, you know, 
"this is the essence of the article". So... In fact, Mike McCurry 
[White House press secretary] sent a snotty note back to him, 
saying "Don't do anything until we can sit down and counsel you."


TROY UNDERHILL:
Sure he did. Sure he did.

The key here... There is some information that we, per our legal 
counsel's *strict* advice, cannot talk about. But the key here 
that has scared a lot of people that have revealed this 
information -- and I'm not talkin', Jeff, people's words. I'm 
talking actual documentation. Paper documentation. Computer 
documentation. Bank accounts of over a hundred current political 
figures that are running our government *today*, that have bank 
accounts overseas that *someone* (and I'm not going to say that 
*Media Bypass* has it in our possession, because they [documents] 
are not at this office, if we even *know* of them) uh... 
implicate many politicians that are running our government right 
now in having these illicit, illegal, fraudulent, illegally 
obtained foreign bank accounts. And if they want to, on national 
television, before (like I said) God and every live television 
camera in the United States... If they want to "put up or shut 
up", there will be people, under writ of immunity, [who will] 
disclose these bank account numbers in front of everyone.


JEFF METCALF:
What I found interesting is that Foster is just *one* of a whole 
bunch of high-level U.S. political types who've had their Swiss 
accounts *emptied*!


TROY UNDERHILL:
That is correct.


JEFF METCALF:
And this is kind of precious. Because you think of these guys 
squirreling this stuff away. And according to your article here, 
over the past two years, more than 2 billion dollars has been 
cleaned out of these accounts belonging to figures connected with 
the U.S. government. And they can't bitch about it, because 
they'd have to acknowledge that they had it!


TROY UNDERHILL:
That is correct.

One thing I'd like to tell your audience now, that we've really 
had some problems with, in the legality part. But I was just 
told... I just got back from Denver. You knew that. I've been out 
in Denver, Colorado. My plane landed just a couple hours ago. And 
Mr. Norman... A lot of people out there say, "Well, every 
'conspiracy nut' in this nation has written somethin' about this, 
they've written sometin' about that."

James R. Norman is a senior editor at *Forbes* magazine. Not 
*Forbes* media critic, but one of the most prestigious financial 
magazines in the United States of America. And this story was 
*spiked* [suppressed]. I cannot, and I think you know, Jeff, why 
I can't go into *why* it was spiked by *Forbes*. But the 
credibility factor, the documented proof, what is in this story, 
in front of the Senate or the House judiciary or the banking 
committees -- under writs of immunity, where these men and women 
that have this information and can be given, uh waivered from 
being sent to prison for life, for violating the National 
Security Act (which, in my opinion, *would* be in the best 
interests of the *entire* population of the United States of 
America)... We are trying, right now (as a matter of fact, again, 
tomorrow morning), to reach Senator Alfonse D'Amato.

I sat in dismay, in Denver, Colorado the other day, and watched 
his opening comments...


JEFF METCALF:
Well I've been listening *intently* for any hint.

I tell you what: Troy, we've got some business to do here 
ourselves. So let me put you on hold for a second, okay? Don't go 
away. We'll come back and continue.

                   [...to be continued...]

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