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              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5  Num. 43
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- JUNE 30, 1995
I spoke by phone with Sherman Skolnick in the late evening of 
June 30, 1995. The following is what he said. Note that I neither 
necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or parts of the 
following. Persons mentioned in the interview are invited to send 
their rebuttals, of reasonable length, to bigxc@prairienet.org 
for probable distribution.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK [continues]:
Apparently, there was a joint project with different journalists 
which then became the June 20th front-page article in *Investors 
Business Daily* about how the mainstream press is dragging their 
feet in the strange death of [Vince] Foster.

But in respect to the runaway grand jury thing, I found out that 
one of the problems was national security. Foster was the 
equivalent of a military general in the National Security Agency 
[NSA], before he got to the White House, and while he was in the 
White House. *And*, that the British counterpart of the NSA -- I 
forget what their acronym is, right offhand -- but they 
apparently invoked the British Official Secrets Act, and have 
stopped two of the largest papers in the world from printing 
stories, that they have apparently confirmed from their own 
sources, that a so-called "runaway" federal grand jury in the 
Whitewater affair, in the District of Columbia, has indicted, is 
considering to indict, or is about to indict, the following 
persons for high crimes: William Jefferson Clinton, who is the 
President; Hillary Rodham Clinton, who is the First Lady; Janet 
Reno, who is the U.S. Attorney General; and William Freeh, who is 
the head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. They are charged 
with obstruction of justice and suborning perjury, that is, 
arranging perjury to be done by witnesses as to the circumstances 
under which Foster was found dead, where his body was found, and 
whether he was or was not murdered.


CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. You know, as far as your gettin' a little bit of, or a lot 
of heat: I'm gettin' *some* heat. I got Chip Berlet now, makin' 
noises like he's gonna sue me.


SHERMAN SKOLNICK:

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      * Info withheld at this time, due to possible *
      * impending lawsuit; may be released later.   *
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
I want to thank you for giving me Debra von Trapp's phone number, 
'cuz I was able to call her and interview her. You saw her on the 
recent *Dateline* program...


SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
That program was not fair! It showed her, sitting on a park 
bench, [and it] didn't allow her to say very much. And sitting on 
a park bench is not news. I can't understand how, all the money 
they spent, ended up not allowing her to say much.

They called me (*Dateline* NBC), their, one of their chief 
people, Benno Schmidt. And I told them, the one that invented 
that super-duper type of bomb, that Ted Gunderson says was used 
on the Oklahoma building, was Michael Riconosciuto. And I spent 
four-and-a-half months as a voluntary paralegal, interviewing 
him, as he was awaiting to testify before the Inslaw grand jury 
in Chicago, in '92.

So I know a lot about that type of bomb, because some of the 
details got into the civil record in the federal court in 
Chicago. And that was in '92, and that was three years before 
this tragedy in Oklahoma City. So I have a working knowledge of 
that. It's not an explosive, it's a sub-nuclear device. It's not 
exactly a dynamite bomb. It's an EHT -- Electrostatic Heat 
Transfer weapon. Sub-nuclear. It's just below a nuclear bomb.


CONSPIRACY NATION:
In talkin' with Debra, she *taped* her interview with *Dateline*. 
Apparently the interview ran, actually, as long as two hours or 
so.


SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. And she is offering a -- if somebody reimburses her -- to 
supply an audio copy of the tape of her interview with NBC 
*Dateline*, which they only used a few seconds of. And the whole 
thing shows that they suppressed a great deal. [CN -- For more 
info on how to get a copy of the audio tape, send e-mail message 
to bigxc@prairienet.org]

Now they showed Riconosciuto in the jail. And I told them how 
they might interview him, there in Estill, South Carolina. They 
showed him walking with a cane, as if he's infirm. (I don't know 
if he is or not. He might have slipped on a bar of soap in the 
jail shower.) But they went to a great expense to get to the 
jail, get permission from the warden, and video him. And on their 
14-minute segment about this thing, about the citizens' militia 
and the bombing in Oklahoma, they didn't play a single word that 
may have come out of Michael Riconosciuto's mouth! That's very 
poor journalism, as far as I'm concerned.

But the point is... In other words, Debra von Trapp has got proof 
that NBC is a pack of liars.

We now have the written statement of an important former official 
in the White House, showing that she is very credible and that 
her story is believed to be *200* percent correct by those that 
were direct eyewitnesses to certain spying, by the Japanese and 
other governments, on the Clinton White House.


CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, she's correct as far as the spying. But what do they 
say about the bombing? That it was contracted...


SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well it was part of an overall thing that they believe is also 
correct. It's not a separate group of things, it's a group of 
inter-related situations. And the whole thing, apparently, is 
quite correct. In other words, there's strong reason to believe 
that her allegations, which seemed very extreme when they first 
came out, are, upon careful consideration, and interviewing 
important witnesses that are in a position to know, that her 
allegations appear to be quite correct.


CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. Have you heard that the State of Oklahoma, that they're 
gonna be pushing through a bill calling for an independent 
investigation by the State of Oklahoma? That, apparently, a lot 
of people are dissatisfied with the federal investigation?


SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I... I don't know anything about it, but I encourage such an 
independent thing.


CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, this was on... I was listening to *Radio Free America* 
[5.065 MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst] tonight, and they had, David Hall 
was on it. And, according to him, they're gonna be pushing 
through legislation for a state investigation into it -- which I 
think is *great*. You know, when they were sendin' all these 
"teddy bears" down there, right after the bombing, I was thinkin' 
"Why don't they, instead of buyin' 'teddy bears', buy a private 
investigator?"

You know, there's so much with that bombing, so many 
discrepancies. And it's really *sickening* to turn on the "news" 
at 5:30 pm and see them reporting on the O.J. Simpson trial.


SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Look. The point is that this secret report shows that there was 
nuclear treason at the highest level, and one of them that was 
involved is still around and not dead -- that's Hillary.


CONSPIRACY NATION:
So, you know, you're pretty much of an expert on Whitewater. How 
do you see things unfolding in the coming days and weeks?


SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, one White House reporter, I believe, has already sent out a 
bulletin to the radio stations that she's a correspondent for, 
and has made the statement that Democrats have told Clinton he 
must resign by July 29th -- which would be about two weeks after 
D'Amato, the Senator, starts with his Whitewater investigation 
and whatever he's investigating is, involves Hillary and Bill 
Clinton.


CONSPIRACY NATION:
So you had told me before that a source had confirmed to you that 
Clinton *will* resign by July 29th.


SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No. No. That's not quite correct. He is being *asked*, 
*demanded*, by the Democrats, who are threatening that they may 
*themselves* start an impeachment proceeding against Clinton for 
what they perceive as criminal offenses. Because if Clinton stays 
in office, we will end up as a one-party system, with the 
complete destruction of the Democrat Party.

*However*. Those that are, Washington correspondents have told me 
that they have inquired into this, and that Clinton let it be 
known (but not at a press conference) that, even if Hillary gets 
indicted, he absolutely *will* *not* *resign*. {1}.

---------------------------<< Notes >>---------------------------
{1} The idea was floated, by part-time CBS Sunday Evening News 
commentator Joel Klein (July 2, 1995 broadcast) that the U.S. is 
going to have to send in troops to Bosnia in order to help our 
allies withdraw from Bosnia. Here we go again! How do you 
withdraw troops? Answer: by sending in more troops, this time 
U.S. forces. How convenient for a certain pot-smoking, cocaine- 
snorting, womanizing commander-in-chief that this should occur 
just as Whitewater and Waco investigations are heating up. Just 
so long as those Serbs aren't shooting at you, right Billy Boy?

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