Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5  Num. 37
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{1} Edye Smith: background info. Below is a non-official 
transcript of a CNN broadcast which will help explain the context 
of Debra von Trapp's mention of Edye Smith.

                              CNN
                      SHOW: NEWS 8:29 am ET
                          May 23, 1995

  HEADLINE: Victims' Mother Asks Why No ATF Were Killed in Bombing

  GUESTS: ANDREA ARCENEAUX, Anchor; EDYE SMITH,  Victims' Mother 
  (LIVE);KATHY GRAHAM-WILBURN, Victims' Grandmother (LIVE);GLEN 
  WILBURN, Victims' Grandfather (LIVE)

  BYLINE: GARY TUCHMAN; ANDREA ARCENEAUX

  BODY:
  BOB CAIN, Anchor: The visible monument to the terror of April 
  19th disappeared from the Oklahoma City skyline today about 
  half an hour ago.

  ANDREA ARCENEAUX, Anchor: Watching among spectators were some 
  of the victims' family members.  CNN's Gary Tuchman joins us 
  now from Oklahoma City with an update as well as some 
  interviews we understand, Gary, with some of the victims' 
  family members.

  GARY TUCHMAN, Correspondent: That's right, Andrea and Bob....

  [...]

  With us right now is  Edye Smith.   Edye was the mother of 
  three-year-old Chase and two-year-old Coulton, two little boys 
  who perished when this building exploded.  And standing next to 
  Edye are Chase and Coulton's grandparents.  Thank you, all 
  three of you, for joining us.

  [...]

  Edye, at this point you're very busy.  You've been talking to 
  people like us, you've been talking to police officials, you've 
  been with your family.  But in the next couple of months when 
  things start to get quieter here in Oklahoma City, do you think 
  it will begin getting tougher for you?

  EDYE SMITH:  Yeah, but I don't think things are going to start 
  getting very quiet, you know?  There's a- there are a lot of 
  questions that have been left unanswered, a lot of questions we 
  don't have answers for, we're being told to keep our mouths 
  shut, not talk about it, don't ask those questions, and I think 
  things are going to get a lot busier.

  GARY TUCHMAN: What kind of questions have people been telling 
  you to keep your mouth shut about?

  EDYE SMITH:  Well, we've- just from the very beginning, we, 
  along with hundreds and thousands of other people, want to know 
  just- and we just innocently ask questions, you know - where 
  was ATF?  All 15 or 17 of their employees survived, and they 
  live- they're on the ninth floor.  They were the target of this 
  explosion, and where were they?  Did they have a warning sign?  
  I mean, did they think it might be a bad day to go in the 
  office.  They had an option to not go to work that day, and my 
  kids didn't get that option, nobody else in the building got 
  that option.  And we're just asking questions, we're not making 
  accusations.  We just want to know, and they're telling us 
  'Keep your mouth shut, don't talk about it.'

  [...]

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{2} Regarding the downed Lear Jet, from Skolnick's May 5, 1995 
interview with von Trapp:

  SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
  Yeah. In other words, a day-and-a-half before, on Monday, April 
  17th, 1995, there was a high-level military group on a military 
  Lear Jet, that crashed -- apparently... Well, the story in the 
  press said that they were on their way from Andrews Air Force 
  Base to San Antonio. But, apparently, the plane blew up, or 
  something happened to it, as they were over Alabama.


  DEBRA VON TRAPP:
  Yes. Because the same, the Special Ops team that was under 
  Goetzman, contracted by he and his team, and paid for with 
  Japanese government funds through MCA Universal and 
  administered through the Embassy of Japan, in Washington... 
  Some members of a Special Ops team out of Alabama are 
  responsible -- both for the downing of that craft, and for 
  taking down the Oklahoma federal building.


  SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
  Well first of all, you believe that that plane was, crashed and 
  killed everybody, because of sabotage.


  DEBRA VON TRAPP:
  Yes. And it was specifically set to be downed over Alabama so 
  as to be recovered within that state.


  SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
  I noticed that one of those on board had previously been on the 
  National Security Agency advisory board, also on the Army 
  Security advisory board. So that was a top-level espionage 
  person that died in that crash.


  DEBRA VON TRAPP:
  Right. And also, the person in charge of technical acquisition 
  for the Air Force, out of Alabama, out of the same base that 
  Goetzman and I reported into on the national...

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{3} Sherman Skolnick's May 5, 1995 interview with von Trapp is 
available online. (1) telnet prairienet.org (2) logon as 
"visitor" (3) go citcom (4) sub-menu Oklahoma Bombing.

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