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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 33
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              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5  Num. 33
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")


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INTERVIEW WITH DEBRA VON TRAPP -- JUNE 26, 1995
I spoke by phone with Debra von Trapp in the early evening of 
June 26, 1995. What follows is an *abbreviated* transcript of 
that interview. The *entire* interview will appear in the August 
1995 issue of the Conspiracy Nation Newsletter (see info below).

By way of introduction, Debra von Trapp was featured on a recent 
segment of the NBC *Dateline* "News" program. Said segment dealt 
with alternative, non-official views as to who was behind the 
tragic Oklahoma City bombing. Ms. von Trapp claims to have inside 
knowledge as to who was actually behind the bombing and why it 
was done.

Note that, as always, I neither necessarily agree nor disagree 
with either all or parts of the following.

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CONSPIRACY NATION:
How are things developing these days? Your interview with Sherman 
Skolnick was well-received, at least in some quarters. What's 
been the upshot of it?


DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Well just the exposure and people, I think, attempting harder to 
get some answers regarding what's going on in Oklahoma City. 
Because it's notable that the mainstream media has virtually 
buried this story. There's hardly *any* coverage on the west 
coast of it. And really, the only reason we're hearing anything 
about it right now is because of Stephen Jones bringing Tim 
McVeigh forward to do his interview with *Newsweek* and with CNN. 
Otherwise, the FBI has virtually remained silent on it up to this 
point because their story has fallen apart.

What I expect is, people come to understand that the FBI will 
*not* be successful with their cover story: there will be no 
evidence to connect McVeigh; that, forensically, it will be 
concluded that there was no "Ryder truck" or "fertilizer bomb" in 
front of the building. And, in fact, forensically, it will be 
proven that there were multiple devices *inside* the building.


CONSPIRACY NATION:
Do you see... Supposedly, there's some kind of deadline coming 
up, on Wednesday [June 28th], with a looming trade war with Japan 
where they're gonna be having these huge duties on Japanese 
luxury cars. I don't know how to ask this, but is that like a 
"bubble" floating to the surface? I mean, you've got all this 
stuff going on beneath the surface. And you have a "bubble" that 
floats to the surface, that everybody can see: suddenly, there's 
this tension between Japan and the United States, where there's a 
looming trade war.


DEBRA VON TRAPP:
The trade war was *looming* back on September 28th! And my 
communication with Mondale and the American Embassy in Tokyo was 
September 27th. And essentially, this went off-the-table and 
became a behind-the-scenes negotiation between the Japanese and 
the American government.

I see it happening two ways: either to simply, quietly go off- 
the-table again, or conversely, the Japanese will accept the 
sanctions -- and they have good reason to do so. It allows them 
to gracefully exit from a situation that has been extremely 
uncomfortable for them already. The Japanese government is losing 
a tremendous amount of money. And the Japanese companies that are 
actually manufacturing luxury cars here have been operating at a 
loss.

Clinton actually handed them a graceful way out, a way to save 
face, if, in fact, they accept the sanctions. Because then it 
gives them an excuse to gracefully exit the market. They can be 
looked on as not being the "bad guys" by suddenly pulling the 
plug on the financial dealerships and the people that are 
employed in that part of the industry that will be affected here. 
And, at the same time, they *now* have already *begun* (which 
they have failed to discuss publicly) to re-tool the same 
manufacturing facilities that have been manufacturing the luxury 
vehicles, are now being re-tooled (and have been, for months 
past) to manufacture cars in the *under* $35,000 class.

Therefore, they've been given a graceful way to exit, re- 
introduce the cars being manufactured at these same facilities at 
a lower price point, and they [the sanctions on Japanese luxury 
cars] won't have any effect, essentially. Because they won't be 
taking a loss on luxury cars; they'll be increasing the sales of 
mid-sized and mid-priced cars and, on the other hand, they gain 
the advantage of having the U.S. look like they've done something 
terrible to the Japanese!


CONSPIRACY NATION:
That's an interesting analysis.


DEBRA VON TRAPP:
It's a very well-documented *fact* that, when you look at the 
numbers, and you look at the manufacturing facilities, that those 
two events have been taking place: that they have lost *heavily* 
on the luxury car markups, and additionally, that for months 
prior to the sanctions they had already started re-tooling to 
manufacture mid-priced cars.

It's something that the mainstream media, that is covering the 
trade sanctions, has not bothered to tell the American public 
about.


CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well, they're pretty much of a disaster. And speaking of them, I 
saw you on *Dateline*, I guess it would have been last week. And 
I sat down with the starting sense that, "Well... Whatever they 
say, don't trust them." And with that as the groundwork, I wasn't 
*too* bothered by a lot of the slanted things that I felt they 
did on the show. And yet, a lot of truth was able to get through; 
where they couldn't censor you totally. They were able to get, 
allow you to "say your say". But then they, you know, kind of 
"did their thing" on it.


DEBRA VON TRAPP:
They didn't accurately represent what I'd said at all! They took 
a few moments of a clip of me, out of about a two-and-a-half hour 
interview, and completely misrepresented what I said to them.

They contacted me. I never contacted them. They came to me and 
told me that they were doing a piece on the Oklahoma bombing and 
were interviewing people that had factual information to offer 
regarding it.

                   [...to be continued...]

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