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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 19
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              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5  Num. 19
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")


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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the 
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know.]

[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put 
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up 
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]

Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts, 
9800 South Oglesby.

The Clinton White House is over-run with various domestic 
scandals. Clinton needs a war, or war scare, to divert attention.

A group of Chicago-area lawyers and others went to Bosnia to 
promote peace -- including attorney Andrew B. Speigel(sp?) from 
Wheaton, experienced in international law. On their return, they 
got the cold shoulder from the State Department and the mass 
media here.

  ANDREW SPEIGEL: We contacted [unclear], ABC-Nightline, by fax, 
  to his home and to his office. We contacted CNN, the *New York 
  Times*, the *Washington Times*, the *Chicago Tribune*, WBBM 
  Newsradio 78, all the major news media. Nobody would respond to 
  us.

He says only a few, small suburban papers carried small stories 
about their return and what they were trying to do over in 
Bosnia.

  ANDREW SPEIGEL: There were people we talked to there who said 
  that a lot of money is being made now, on the sanctions, 
  because, basically, if you co-opt the right people, you can get 
  whatever you want into the country.

Also part of the peace delegation was trial lawyer James P. 
Nagle(sp?), of Wheaton.

  JAMES NAGLE: I think you have to look at, and ask the question, 
  how much money was made by the armaments money, armaments 
  industry, in Vietnam, and ask yourself the question: Has 
  anything changed since then?

  SHERMAN SKOLNICK: You went, at your own time and expense, you 
  two gentlemen and Mike Povlovich(sp?), a Serbian-American.

  Mr. Povlovich, tell us from your standpoint: you say you're not 
  in politics and you're not a lawyer. (You have a lawyer 
  representing you, Mr. Speigel.) What were you trying to do in 
  going over there to promote peace?

  MR. POVLOVICH: I want to say that my goal is to stop bloodshed, 
  that is first of all. And everybody should sit around the 
  table, and talk, and negotiate until they find a solution. If 
  we negotiate, we will be able to find a solution, but if we 
  don't, I don't believe that we are able to find any kind of 
  solution.

  SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Um, do you have your own explanation *why* 
  some do not want a solution? Is it for the cynical reason that 
  I offer: that big business, the weapons business, they don't 
  want peace; they'd just as soon have bloodshed in, where some 
  of your relatives come from, in Bosnia?

  MR. POVLOVICH: I believe you are right about this, regarding, 
  about the business is going over there, in Bosnia -- because 
  that is *big* business. I was there with John [unclear], and we 
  saw that, big business going. But again, I, repeating, we 
  should *stop* everything. We should stop killing over there. 
  And we should negotiate to stop this war, and go normalize.

  SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Anyone can tell from your accent that you 
  evidently are from overseas. But America is your country now. 
  What do you make of the fact that America, *your* *country*, 
  did not play you up in the mass media, and that the only 
  sizeable function you were on is the cable show that I and my 
  associates operate? What do you make of the fact that *your* 
  *country* now, America, didn't want to know?? I mean, they 
  didn't...

  MR. POVLOVICH: America is my country, that's true. And I love 
  America. That is the *best* system in the world -- democratic 
  system. We can work, and make money and lose money. That is 
  life. But America, what it's doing, that they don't want to 
  tell the truth on the *all* sides. But. But that is good 
  question. I cannot answer. I cannot answer that question.

  ANDREW SPEIGEL OR JAMES NAGLE: One reason one might offer to 
  answer that question is that, from history, before ground 
  troops, United States ground troops, have been committed to 
  *any* foreign country, a public relations effort is committed 
  here in the United States to vilify that nationality. {1}. And 
  that's what's clearly is goin' on now, that Serbs are clearly 
  being vilified.


The whole communications industry is now controlled by just *six* 
monopoly corporations -- who also promote the war business. Such 
as General Electric, owner of NBC. So, this is just another story 
killed by the news fakers: the liars and whores of the press.

You can see the 1-hour cable show of this, in Chicago, on channel 
21, 9 pm, Monday night, June 26th.

Play it again: "U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno: Is She a Rotten 
Crook!?" (312) 731-1505.

New message Wednesday; we change it several times a week.

Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the 
Courts, 9800 South Oglesby, Chicago, [Illinois] 60617. For the 
latest on courts, banks, espionage agencies, political 
assassinations, and the news media. On 24 hours a day.

---------------------------<< Notes >>---------------------------
{1} "...to vilify that nationality." Question: Was Air Force 
pilot O'Grady set up? CBN reports today (June 12, 1995) that 
O'Grady's F-16 was locked in on radar by Serb forces. According 
to CBN, *normally* it is standard operating procedure to first 
send in air power to knock out enemy radar *before* sending in F- 
16s. But this wasn't done, leaving O'Grady open to being locked 
in by Serb radar and subsequently shot down.
   Was it just a screw-up? Or was this done purposefully so as to 
increase tensions?

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