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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4 Num. 90
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              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4  Num. 90
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FEDS "FIB" ON OKLAHOMA CITY BOMB SAYS EX-HIGH LEVEL FBI OFFICIAL
 
Evidence Indicates High-Tech Device
 
An expert on security and terrorism says the government isn't 
telling the truth about the bomb that devastated the building in 
Oklahoma City.
 
EXCLUSIVE TO *THE SPOTLIGHT*
 
By Mike Blair
 
A very high tech and top secret barometric bomb was the cause of 
the explosion that destroyed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal 
Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, with a loss of life that 
may reach and even exceed 200 persons.
 
That is the conclusion of an FBI veteran with 28 years of 
service, Ted L. Gunderson of Santa Monica, California. He 
dismisses as a cover-up U.S. Justice Department claims that a 
simple bomb, concocted from fertilizer and fuel oil, was 
responsible for the blast.
 
According to Gunderson, the bomb was an electrohydrodynamic 
gaseous fuel device (barometric bomb), which could not have been 
built by former Persian Gulf War Army veteran Timothy McVeigh and 
his rural Michigan farming friends, brothers James and Terry 
Nichols -- at least not without the aid of persons, as yet 
unknown. Those persons would need to possess knowledge of 
research classified at the very highest level of top secret by 
the U.S. government, in addition to access to a vast array of 
chemical and electronic components.
 
Former Army Sgt. McVeigh has been charged as being a key player 
in the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building and the 
Nichols brothers stand accused of conspiring with McVeigh in the 
production of explosives...
 
McVeigh, initially charged as "John Doe No. 1" in a federal 
warrant, and as yet, according to the Justice Department and FBI, 
an unknown "John Doe No. 2," the subject of a massive nation-wide 
dragnet, are accused of delivering the bomb to the front of the 
federal building and igniting it.
 
Gunderson, in several lengthy interviews with *The Spotlight*, 
has revealed that he knows the inventors of the type of bomb that 
devastated the Oklahoma City building, one of whom, upon learning 
of details of the blast, told Gunderson, "That's my bomb."
 
Gunderson has obtained from an expert who has knowledge of the 
device an abstract description, including a diagram, of the bomb, 
described in the abstract as "top secret due to the ease in which 
the device can be created."
 
"Technically," according to the abstract, "it is considered an 
'A-neutronic' device, hence the designated 'Q' clearance is 
required for information."
 
"For the sake of security, the electronic detonation sequence 
shall not be described herein" to prevent the process from being 
copied, the abstract indicates.
 
>From sources familiar with U.S. government classification 
methods, "Q" clearance is required to obtain access to, among 
other things, nuclear weapons components, including small -- 
easily transportable by a single person -- portable nuclear 
bombs.
 
Vastly more sophisticated than the fuel oil-fertilizer bomb [CN 
-- "The Mannlicher-Carcano bomb"] now being described by federal 
agents as weighing up to 5,000 pounds, the A-neutronic device may 
have been "the size of a small pineapple," according to the 
abstract.
 
                 -+- Misleading Claims -+-
 
Gunderson, who retired in 1979 from the FBI as the senior special 
agent in charge of the bureau's Los Angeles office, takes a dim 
view of FBI and Justice Department claims that the bomb 
responsible for the Oklahoma City blast was a concoction of 
fertilizer and fuel oil, delivered to the front of the building 
in a large rented moving van.
 
Federal officials started out claiming the bomb weighed 1,000 
pounds, then up-scaled it to 1,400 pounds, then 4,000 pounds and 
now up to 5,000 pounds, with claims of the size of the delivery 
vehicle also being up-scaled from a delivery van to now a moving 
van.
 
"It appears the government keeps up-grading the size of the 
vehicle and the 'fertilizer' bomb to coincide with the damage," 
Gunderson said.
 
The attention of *The Spotlight* was focused on Gunderson when 
this newspaper received a fax sent out by the high-level FBI 
veteran, dated April 26. Headed "To Whom It May Concern," the fax 
message was sent to a number of individuals and organizations, 
including his former employer, the FBI.
 
                -+- Seismographic Report -+-
 
Gunderson included with the fax a copy of a seismograph record 
from the Oklahoma Geological Survey, located at the University of 
Oklahoma at Norman, about 15 miles south of Oklahoma City.
 
The seismograph record indicates that there were two explosions 
involved in the April 19 bombing, which coincides with the 
reports of a number of people in and around the building at the 
time it was devastated.
 
Gunderson stated in his fax message that from the seismographic 
record, Dr. Ken Louzza at the university "advised there were two 
surface waves, one at 9:02 am and 13 seconds and the other at 
9:02 am and 23 seconds on April 19, 1995 (10 seconds apart). He 
stated [the] chart indicates two detonations."
 
Despite this evidence of two distinct blasts and reports of 
people at the scene, the FBI and Justice Department insists there 
was only one explosion, a position which up until now the 
national media has chosen to believe and has ignored the 
university seismographic report.
 
In confronting the university's seismologist with this FBI claim, 
Gunderson was told, "I don't care what the government says. There 
were two events, 10 seconds apart."
 
To make certain of what he had been told, Gunderson, with years 
of interviewing in criminal cases under his belt, said "I wrote 
it down and repeated it back to him and he confirmed that was 
what he stated."
 
It is noted that the FBI, after insisting for several days after 
the bombing that it had occurred at 9:04 am, has now changed the 
official time to 9:02, which conforms to the seismographic record 
from the University of Oklahoma.
 
In any case, it was the two-explosion reports that led Gunderson 
to rule out the fertilizer bomb and to zero in on the more 
sophisticated A-neutronic device.
 
Although the abstract provided to Gunderson is relatively 
technical in nature, it basically states that the bomb consists 
of a cylinder of just "64 ounces or more of ammonium nitrate," 
which surrounds a shaft of aluminum silicate that has at its 
center another shaft of an explosive known as PETN, described to 
*The Spotlight* as a "low volume explosive."
 
The abstract states that when the PETN is detonated the top of 
the canister or tank containing the bomb "flies upwards and the 
bottom of the tank opens up into a flower petal shape. 
Immediately the ammonium nitrate mixes with the shattered micro- 
encapsulated aluminum silicate to create an even more devastating 
explosive fuel cloud. This cloud is then energized with a high 
potential electrostatic field resulting in the creation of 
millions of microfronts."
 
The abstract further indicates that the "cold cloud" is then 
detonated by a charge that "is cushioned from the first blast due 
to a shock absorbing cavity."
 
"This time," the document continues, "the cold cloud ignites, 
creating a shock wave which surpasses the traditional effects of 
TNT. The most astounding effects of this type of detonation is 
the immediate atmospheric overpressure which has a tendency to 
blow out windows [of] any structure within the vicinity of the 
blast."
 
                -+- Building Vulnerable -+-
 
In reporting on the vulnerability of the building to the 
explosion, the *New York Times* in its April 28 edition, page 
A27, reported as follows: "The Federal Building in Oklahoma City 
may also have been vulnerable because of its ground level atrium 
and glass facade. The problem was not with flying glass -- a 
small hazard compared with collapsing concrete -- but with the 
way the blast was able to penetrate the glass easily and push up 
the floors at the lower levels, some experts said."
 
The *Times* reported further: "Anatol Longinow, an engineer at 
Wiss, Janney, Elstner Associates, a firm in Chicago that 
investigates structural failures, said that when a bomb goes off 
at street level, the blast 'expands spherically, and it hits the 
floors up instead of down,' by coming in under them."
 
"'The floors are not intended to go up in any event,' he said. If 
pushed in a direction opposite from normal, he said, the floors 
may break loose relatively easily and crash down in a pancake- 
like pile."
 
It is this "pancake-like pile" of the several stories of the 
building that has caused rescue workers and firemen so much 
trouble in their search for survivors and retrieval of the dead 
from the structure.
 
                 -+- Confirmed At Hearing -+-
 
However, it was reports from a hearing on the charges faced by 
McVeigh held before Federal Magistrate Ronald Howland in El Reno, 
Oklahoma, on April 28, that the final clue to the use of the A- 
neutronic device in destroying the federal building was revealed.
 
*USA Today* of April 28 reported on its page 3A that final clue. 
The paper's editors do not realize that they had inserted in 
their newspaper the final piece of the bomb's mosaic.
 
The article stated: "The decision came after hours of testimony 
from [FBI] Special Agent John Hersley, who said a shirt McVeigh 
was wearing when he was arrested [by an Oklahoma state trooper 
during his alleged get-away] had traces of the explosive PDTN."
 
(This is not a typographical error; there are two kinds of 
explosives with similar names associated with the bomb described 
by Gunderson -- PETN and PDTN. PETN is used in the initial 
detonation which releases ammonium nitrate and aluminum silicate 
to mix in a cloud. PDTN is used to detonate the electrically- 
charged cloud. The reason PDTN is not used in both charges is 
because, if it were used in the first detonation, it would be of 
such a violent explosive nature that it would detonate the 
secondary charge at the same time. -- *Spotlight* Editor)
 
When this was passed on to Gunderson by *The Spotlight* and after 
the veteran FBI boss had consulted with an expert connected with 
the design of the A-neutronic device, Gunderson called this 
newspaper, stating:
 
"You just won the Super Bowl."
 
The explosive PDTN, Gunderson had been told, is the substance 
used to detonate the second explosion, which in turn detonates 
the electrified cloud mixture of ammonium nitrate and aluminum 
silicate, causing the major devastating blast that virtually 
wiped out nearly two-thirds of the federal building.
 
Completing the picture of the A-neutronic device even further, 
the *Arkansas Democrat Gazette*, published in Little Rock, in 
describing the FBI's contention in its April 30 edition that the 
"fertilizer" bomb concoction was detonated by using explosive 
cord wrapped around the barrels, it stated: "The barrels were 
somehow tied together with high-explosive detonator cord, a rope- 
like device that contains the explosive PETN, an official told 
the *Dallas Morning News*."
 
While it is true that the explosive PETN may be used in explosive 
cord, as described, it is also, according to the A-neutronic bomb 
designers, the explosive used in the initial phase of detonating 
the A-neutronic device -- the release and dispersal of the 
ammonium nitrate and aluminum silicate combination.
 
There is no evidence that has surfaced, or [has been] claimed by 
FBI agents, that both explosive substances -- PDTN and PETN -- 
were used in their "fertilizer" bomb story.
 
At 5:45 pm on April 28, Gunderson received a call from the FBI 
office where he had faxed his memo and the material he had 
collected on the bomb.
 
"They asked me if I cared if they faxed my fax to other field 
offices around the country," Gunderson told *The Spotlight*. "It 
was a BS call. They just wanted to know where I am."
 
Gunderson, whose life has been at risk numerous times during his 
long career, said, quite matter-of-factly, "Of course, if 
anything does happen to me, it just confirms what I have 
uncovered."
 
Was a moving van used to transport the bomb to the blast site?
 
"They could have delivered it in a suitcase," the former G-man 
said.
 
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LATE-BREAKING NEWS
 
*The Spotlight* received the following message from Ted Gunderson 
on May 4:
 
"I was contacted anonymously on May 3, 1995 by a federal criminal 
investigator who is involved in the [Oklahoma City bomb] case. He 
stated the bombing was an enhanced reflection wave detonation 
with a duplex charge. Had it been ammonia nitrate [of the type 
used in a fertilizer bomb] there would have been nitric acid 
clouds and none of the workers would have been allowed in the 
area without breathing masks."
 
"He stated 'John Doe 2' was vaporized by design. Timothy McVeigh 
is also a throw-away [a term used by the FBI and others for an 
expendable asset]. He advised that the debri(s) field was 
collapsed toward the center. There was something inside the 
building, probably another bomb. It was a 'drop and shear' 
charge."
 
"They looked for signs of ammonia nitrate (fertilizer) and there 
were none. He stated Gunderson is 100 percent right."
 
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>From *The Spotlight*, May 15, 1995 issue.
*The Spotlight*, a populist weekly newspaper. To subscribe, call 
1-800-522-6292 (In Maryland phone (301) 951-6292).
 
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