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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4 Num. 86
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              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4  Num. 86
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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INTERVIEW WITH DEBRA VON TRAPP
By Sherman H. Skolnick
(Transcribed by Brian Francis Redman)
 
I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or 
portions of the following. -- CN Editor.
 
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I understand that when, some television sets were arranged, uh -- 
what was it? -- for the inauguration?
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
That's right. Goetzman had, he gave me the name and phone number 
of an officer of Mitsubishi electric, in Anaheim, California. And 
I called in. And what they did was, they put three Mitsubishi 60- 
inch televisions on a truck, trucked them to the Lincoln 
Memorial. Peter Stanley and Robert Goetzman met the delivery, 
lifted the screens, and put in transponding units -- video/audio 
transponding. They rolled them in to the V.I.P. tent, where 
Clinton was waiting during his appearances at both the Lincoln 
Memorial and then, again, at the Capital Center in Maryland. We 
trucked the TVs from one location to another.
 
And from the very moment that he was President, he was spied on 
by the Japanese government, and all his communications were 
compromised.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Didn't the Secret Service or any of them... In other words, was 
there some connivance with the Secret Service so that they...
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Oh! Specifically, one specific Secret Service person that 
cooperated entirely. And that person was the gentleman that was 
bounced out of the White House when I finally surfaced with 
[Walter] Mondale on all of this information in October of '94.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I saw that you had faxed some things to Mondale's office as 
the Ambassador to Tokyo [i.e., Ambassador to Japan].
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Right. And Mondale, instead of going through... You noticed that 
the last communication I had with him was the day before the 
trade sanctions were supposed to go into effect. Then, notably, 
they never *did* go into effect.
 
Mondale and Mickey Kantor then went back to the White House, had 
conversations with Clinton. That Secret Service agent was bounced 
out of the White House; he had been there under Bush and then 
with Clinton. And he was sent back to the Secret Service office 
at Oklahoma City.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And that's the one that died there, with the bombing?
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yeah. And in fact, they made sure that he was in the building 
that morning, before they set the bomb off. That was specifically 
intended by the Japanese government who had, again, paid for and 
contracted this. It was a "message" back.
 
And April 19th is not the significant date on this. It was April 
*20th* in Japan. It was one month, *to* *the* *day*, of the 
subway attack -- which was March 20th.
 
And then Clinton and Hillary sat in front of his widow and 
daughter at the memorial service. If you check video of even the 
memorial service that was held for the city, that Clinton 
attended, his widow and daughter are seated directly behind them.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So that, in other words, Clinton... You believe that the 
President has some knowledge of what's going on?
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
The President has direct knowledge! I mean, I've had... The White 
House has had direct communication with me. Which is why you see 
the White House counsel faxes back to me -- if you've seen cover 
sheets on that?
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yes.
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
That, [clears throat] excuse me, they... We sent in a complete 
discussion about what they were going to do about these 
circumstances, and the fact that the Japanese had "bugged" the 
White House and the DNC [Democratic National Committee] and the 
District of Columbia essentially, on the operation that I was on. 
I thought I was turning everybody in to Janet Reno. And then she 
turned the investigation over to Paul Coffey, and he killed the 
investigation!
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
How long ago was that?
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
She started the investigation July 25th of '94. And by August, 
Coffey had killed it. And he instructed his office that, if I 
called in, that his office staff was to hang up on me.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
When I finish here, I think, if you want to fax that to me, those 
cover sheets I think I have *not* seen. But I'd like to get them, 
if possible.
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Okay. Yes. I have all this documented.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I have my other line on the fax (I don't always have it on), on 
5742.
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Okay.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And if you could fax it in, I have that machine on.
 
Tell me this, Ms. von Trapp: you (How could I put this?)... I'm 
sure the public would like to know: You felt, for some reason, 
that it was proper, or your unit felt it was proper, for this 
surveillance of the incoming, new, President, since he got into 
office? Or what was the logic behind it?
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
You see, I am outside of this. I owned a consulting firm that was 
taken over by the FBI and CIA, without any choice on my part, 
because I had crossed Aldrich Ames, and Daniel Starkey at Xerox, 
early on in my career. And then they had come back and tried to 
take everything from me, including my house. Then they threatened 
to kill myself and my child.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I noticed that Xerox got into a big fight with you, and 
tried to take...
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Right. And filed a false lawsuit against me in a northern 
California court, and told the judge they owned the mortgage on 
my house...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. I saw that. So, in other words... So you were intimidated 
to continue working in that circle, although maybe you personally 
didn't approve of what was going on?
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I didn't have any choice at the time. And so, what I thought was 
that (since I *didn't* have a choice) I would stay inside the 
operation. And eventually, I'd be able to take them -- since I 
*knew* I was inside something that was worse than Watergate -- 
that eventually, I could just turn them in to the Justice 
Department and...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well at the time, in other words, you had confidence in Janet 
Reno.
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Exactly.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But, in other words, do you have that confidence now?
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Not at all. In fact, I fax and call Janet Reno on a regular 
basis. My last fax to her was, asking her how she's ever going to 
explain to the American public that she's a willing baby killer, 
that is not disclosing the truth about what went on here. And I 
asked her, what Paul Coffey must have on her, what he was 
blackmailing her with, to allow her, as attorney general, to turn 
her head to this entire compromise of White House communications, 
and to allow certain federal agents to continue at this activity.
 
I'm *blatant* in my hostility and in my aggressive questioning of 
what's going on at the White House and the Justice Department 
right now.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, you think they're being blackmailed or 
intimidated, themselves?
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I think Janet Reno... Paul Coffey is "old guard". He's been 
there, under the Bush administration (which was, effectively, 
CIA). And I think that, somehow, they have compromised Miss Reno, 
to place her in a position where she *has* no authority at the 
Justice Department.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well some people... Yeah. There's documents came out in the 
Inslaw case, contending that there's a secret unit in the Justice 
Department that commits domestic and foreign political murders! 
And that was a rebuttal by the Inslaw group to a report that came 
out, called "The Bua Report".
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP: Well, Robert Getzman called me the night that 
Vince Foster died -- excited, screaming over the phone, "We *did* 
him! We *did* him!" And I said, "Did *who*?" And he said, "Vince 
Foster." And I said, "What do you mean?" And he said, "We *did* 
him!" And I said, "Well *where* did you 'do' him?" And he said, 
"Well we did him somewhere else, but we dumped him in a 'queer' 
park to send Clinton and his 'queer' wife a message!"
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. That's one thing that, that people that know about Fort 
Marcy Park know it's a place that homosexuals like to hang out.
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
And I had no knowledge of that, hadn't been to Washington to, you 
know, understand what was going on.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So there's been a vast cover-up of *that*.
 
 
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Exactly.
 
And Cofield is the banking expert that was involved with the 
banking issues surrounding Inslaw. And you'll see quite a 
parallel between my documentation on the standardization and 
transmission of the documents out of, that were created -- all 
the communications created out of the White House and the kind of 
transmission capability that was created out of the banking 
software for the Inslaw case.
 
                   [...to be continued...]
 
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