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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4 Num. 83
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              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4  Num. 83
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the 
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However 
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
 
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put 
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up 
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
 
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts, 
9800 South Oglesby.
 
She's a consultant on high-tech -- Trapp Technologies -- and, an 
expert on espionage: Debra von Trapp.
 
  DEBRA VON TRAPP: I, along with Robert Getzman(sp?), an FBI 
  employee, Peter Stanley, a CIA employee named Wes Thomas, out 
  of New York, a DIA [Defense Intelligence Agency] employee named 
  Jim Colefield(sp?), who is a banking communications software 
  transfer specialist out of Washington DC... This team of 
  people, when [George] Bush lost the election, we transitioned 
  from the project we were on to being paid (although *I* was 
  never paid -- they were paid) by the Japanese government, 
  through the Embassy of Japan in Washington, to set up a 
  surveillance operation on the Clinton administration. And 
  essentially what we did was, we arranged to have a CIA employee 
  that was left at the White House in an office administration, 
  named David Herold(?), issue all of the Clinton 
  administration's purchase orders out of the executive office. 
 
  But from the very moment that he was President, he was spied on 
  by the Japanese government, and all of his communications were 
  compromised.
 
  SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Didn't the Secret Service or any of them... 
  In other words, was there some connivance with the Secret 
  Service so that they...
 
  DEBRA VON TRAPP: Oh! Specifically, one specific Secret Service 
  person that cooperated entirely. And that Secret Service agent 
  was bounced out of the White House. He'd been there under Bush, 
  and then with Clinton. And he was sent back to the Secret 
  Service office at Oklahoma City.
 
  SHERMAN SKOLNICK: And that's the one that died there, in the 
  bombing?
 
  DEBRA VON TRAPP: Yeah. And in fact, they made sure that he was 
  in the building that morning, before they set the bomb off. 
  That was specifically intended, by the Japanese government, who 
  had, again, paid for and "contracted" this. It was a "message" 
  back.
 
  And April 19th is *not* the significant date on this. It was 
  April *20th* in Japan -- it was one month, *to* *the* *day*, of 
  the subway attack, which was March 20th.
 
  And then Clinton and Hillary sat in front of his [the deceased 
  Secret Service agent's] widow and daughter at the memorial 
  service.
 
  SHERMAN SKOLNICK: In other words, Clinton... You believe that 
  the President has some knowledge of what's going on?
 
  DEBRA VON TRAPP: The President has *direct* knowledge! I mean, 
  the White House has had direct communication with me, which is 
  why you see the "White House Counsel" faxes back to me -- have 
  you seen cover sheets from that?
 
  SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Yes.
 
  DEBRA VON TRAPP: We've been in a complete discussion about what 
  they were going to do about these circumstances, and the fact 
  that the Japanese had "bugged" the White House and the DNC 
  [Democratic National Committee] and the District of Columbia, 
  since we... on the operation that I was on. *I* thought I was 
  turning everybody in to Janet Reno and she turned the 
  investigation over to Paul Coffey(sp?) -- and *he* killed the 
  investigation!
 
  SHERMAN SKOLNICK: How long ago was that?
 
  DEBRA VON TRAPP: She started the investigation July 25th of 
  '94, and by August, Coffey had killed it.
 
  You see, I am outside of this. I owned a consulting firm that 
  was taken over by the FBI and CIA, without any choice on my 
  part. Because I had crossed Aldrich Ames and Daniel 
  Starkey(sp?) at Xerox, early on in my career. And then they had 
  come back and tried to take everything from me, including my 
  house. Then they threatened to kill myself and my child.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK: (A court fight developed between her and Xerox 
when she tried to expose Xerox for unlawfully selling high 
technology to the Soviet bloc at a time it was illegal to do so.)
 
 
  DEBRA VON TRAPP: Well, Robert Getzman called me the night that 
  Vince Foster died -- excited, screaming over the phone, "We 
  *did* him! We *did* him!" And I said, "Did *who*?" And he said, 
  "Vince Foster." And I said, "What do you mean?" And he said, 
  "We *did* him!" And I said, "Well *where* did you 'do' him?" 
  And he said, "Well we did him somewhere else, but we dumped him 
  in a 'queer' park to send Clinton and his 'queer' wife a 
  message!"
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK: (She says the American CIA arranged the poison 
gas attack against the Japanese subway, and they got revenge by 
bombing the building in Oklahoma. She said the citizens' militias 
had nothing to do with it!)
 
  SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Who do you believe the "job" was contracted 
  out to, as to the Oklahoma City bombing?
 
  DEBRA VON TRAPP: A few individuals that are presently still 
  active military, special operations, out of a base in Alabama.
 
 
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most 
Monday evenings.
 
Play it again: "The *Rotten* FBI". (312) 731-1505.
 
New message Tuesday; we change it several times a week.
 
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the 
Courts, 9800 South Oglesby, Chicago, [Illinois] 60617. For the 
latest on courts, banks, espionage agencies, political 
assassinations, and the news media. On 24 hours a day.
 
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