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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4 Num. 71


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4  Num. 71
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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SUMMARY OF INFO FROM CITIZENS' COMMITTEE -- APRIL 23, 1995
 
On April 23, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman 
Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts 
[CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview.
 
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[CN -- I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all 
or portions of the following. Statements by Sherman Skolnick are 
in quotation marks, all else is my own paraphrasing and/or my own 
comments.]
 
[...continued...]
 
"I'll tell you what the government is doing: there is a category 
in one of the on-line services called... I think it's 'a.atf' or 
something like that [alt.atf?], where they keep track of all 
those that access. And it's an exchange of information on 
explosives among ordinary people."
 
"And that is the latest version of an FBI project. Ten, twelve, 
fourteen years ago, the FBI had a project -- which *was* exposed 
-- of keeping track of all of those across the country that 
withdrew books on certain subjects. It got to be a topic at a 
meeting of librarians, who opposed it under the first amendment. 
But the FBI was keeping track of all of those who withdrew books 
on explosives, and dynamite and things like that. And I 
interviewed a chief librarian myself on this subject some years 
ago. I'll have to re-play the interview, remind myself of 
everything."
 
"But the point is, the FBI has gone to the latest technology. And 
*now*, on one of the on-line services, *they* are the originating 
force behind this thing of keeping track of everybody that gets 
access to that. The letters 'atf' are part of the code of getting 
access to that on-line service. I don't have the full, uh, 'entry 
code'. But I think you can find..."
 
My sixth sense on this is, I think their plan to have this 
bombing be a prelude to a huge crack-down on militias -- to me, 
they have failed in that, for the moment.
 
"I hate to predict violence: I don't like it; I don't encourage 
it. But it seems to me, to carry out their Reichstag fire type of 
scenario, that the powers that be in this country are prepared to 
assassinate; to bomb other public and private buildings; to get 
the public into such a state of anguish and 'psyche them out', 
that they will agree to suspension of the rights that many of us 
-- not *me* -- but many people take for granted, that they have 
these rights, spelled out in the Bill of Rights and so on. They 
may find out that they don't have that anymore."
 
As you predicted, they delivered up a "patsy" on the evening 
news.
 
"Yeah. 'Lee Harvey Oswald' McVeigh."
 
"I talked to broadcasters that I know all over the United States. 
A few of them are very knowledgeable about the militia in their 
area. They have supplied me the names and anecdotal information 
that would indicate to any reasonable person that understood 
provocateurs that 'such and such leaders' in 'that' particular 
area of the country, of the militia, are in fact undercover FBI 
and so on. I have a list of these names, and they are the ones 
that have, in the past, gotten the most news coverage of starting 
up with the local law enforcement, or federal law enforcement, or 
whatever. And I've asked these broadcasters (off the record, of 
course) whether they would go on the air, in their talk show 
segment, and say any of this. And they says, 'You gotta be crazy, 
Skolnick! They'd come here, bomb our radio towers, or take a big 
hook or something and pull 'em down, and claim that they're 
promoting the truth thereby!'"
 
"None of the broadcasters that I've talked to are willing to go 
on the air and mention rather specific information that would 
convince others that heard it that the ones they're talking about 
are, most likely, government-sponsored provocateurs acting as 
leaders of the militia in that particular state or locale. No one 
is prepared to go on the air or in print (so far; that I've 
talked to). I've talked, off-the-record, with various alternative 
publications, broadcasters, and so on, and they're *aware* of the 
problem of *agents provocateurs* acting as leaders. Not just the 
dupes! I mean, the dupes are innocent! It's the *leaders* -- 
*some* leaders, not all! -- of the militia, that are cranking up 
this situation. And then the government is gonna come in with a 
propaganda blitz, promoted by the mass media, and round up their 
own provocateur leaders of the militia! [laughs]"
 
"I mean it's... I don't know why I'm laughing. But it's a 
dangerous situation to the Bill of Rights. *Very* *dangerous*. 
Because the ordinary people will say, 'Yeah. These are the people 
that are white supremacists. They went and bombed the nursery and 
the building there, and killed, among others, blacks. Yes! Round 
'em up! Round 'em *all* up! Them and all their followers!'"
 
"Hey. You'd have a massive situation, which would be a national 
emergency. And at such a time, they'd wave the flag and 'Support 
Clinton', and 'Don't criticize your President', and things like 
that. And it's a strong psychological move, to stop the grand 
jury indictment of the First Lady from being un-sealed."
 
Have you heard anything more, as to technical aspects of the bomb 
blast?
 
"Well the problem is, they started out with 1200 pounds of 
'homemade bomb'... 1500... Now they say 4000 pounds, which is 
just short of 2 tons. Can you imagine a 20-foot panel truck, 
trundling up with 4000 pounds of chemically volatile 'homemade 
bomb'? Which is hard to predict *when* it'd be ready to detonate 
it? Bouncing around on streets? My opinion is that a homemade 
bomb is hard to set for a [specific] time: it may go off at 9:15; 
it may, more likely, go off at 12:15 or 4:15 or the next day! 
It's not like a military powder or plastique or some other bomb. 
And explosives experts have looked at the pictures and have said 
that it looks like there might have been additional explosives 
used on the reinforced concrete pillars! Especially in the 
basement."
 
Anything further you wish to say?
 
"I am just now working on the Hillary indictment story. And the 
sources we have for it are very good, and I feel that *that* is 
the situation. And when you tie that in with the Wednesday 
bombing, and all the other things, it seems to be a pattern of 
events."
 
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