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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4 Num. 68


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4  Num. 68
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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BILL CLINTON ON *60 MINUTES*
 
President Clinton was interviewed on the CBS program, *60 
Minutes*, on April 23, 1995. Following is my summary. My comments 
are indented and in brackets.
 
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[...continued...]
 
STEVE CROFT:
Mr. President, you have some personal history, yourself, with 
right-wing, paramilitary groups. When you were Governor of 
Arkansas, you considered proposing a law that would have outlawed 
paramilitary operations. Do you still feel that way? And what, if 
anything, should be done? Do we have the "tools"? What should be 
done to counteract this threat?
 
 
BILL CLINTON:
Well let me say, first of all, what I have done today. I've 
renewed my call to Congress to pass the "anti-terrorism 
legislation" that's up there, that I've sent. I have determined 
to send some more legislation to the [Capitol] Hill that will 
strengthen the hand of the FBI and other law enforcement officers 
in cracking terrorist networks, both domestic and foreign...
 
  [CN -- Question to Bill Clinton or to any of his army of spies 
  that may be monitoring this: can you, through any of your 
  channels, please clarify this statement, i.e., exactly *what* 
  "domestic terrorist networks" is President Clinton referring 
  to?]
 
When I was Governor of Arkansas (this was over 10 years ago now), 
we became sort of a "campground" for some people who had pretty 
extreme views [CN -- like Oliver North, for example?] One of them 
was a tax resister who had killed people in another state, who 
subsequently killed a sheriff who was a friend of mine, and who 
was himself killed. One was the man, Mr. Snell, who was just 
executed a couple of days ago (who killed a state trooper in cold 
blood who was a friend of mine and a servant of our state), and 
got the death penalty when I was Governor. One was a group of 
people who had, among them, women and children, but also two men 
wanted on murder warrants. And thank God, we were able to 
quarantine their compound, and that was all resolved peacefully.
 
But I have dealt with this extensively, and I know the potential 
problems that are there. I don't want to interfere with anybody's 
Constitutional rights. But people do *not* have a right to 
violate the law and do *not* have a right to encourage people to 
kill law enforcement officials, and do not have the right to take 
the position that if a law enforcement officer simply tries to 
see them about whether they violated a law or not, they can blow 
him to Kingdom Come. That is *wrong*.
 
  [CN -- Certainly no one should be killing *anyone* in cold 
  blood. But *who*, exactly, has advocated this? Clinton has set 
  up a straw man and then knocked it down. Individuals have the 
  God-given right to defend themselves, but Clinton has twisted 
  this around to something else, something that no one, to my 
  knowledge, is advocating.]
 
[...]
 
I *do* want to say to the American people, though, we should all 
be careful about the kind of *language* we use and the kind of 
incendiary talk we have. We never know who's listening, or what 
impact it might have. So we need to show some restraint and 
discipline here because of *all* the people in this country that 
*might* be on edge, and might be capable of doing something like 
this horrible thing in Oklahoma City.
 
  [CN -- So is Clinton saying that he wants me to shut down 
  Conspiracy Nation? It's not clear to me what he's saying. I 
  operate under the assumption that there is still a first 
  amendment in this country. If this is not so, then Clinton 
  should stop beating around the bush. What do you mean, Mr. 
  President? Your message is vague. Are you "testing the waters"?]
 
...We have been working hard to try to get the legal support we 
need to move against terrorism, to try to make sure that we can 
find out who's doing these kind of things *before* they strike. 
But I do think that there's some other things that we can do...
 
[...]
 
 
MIKE WALLACE:
CBS News had a report late this afternoon (and I don't know 
whether you're familiar with it) about a man by the name of Mark 
Koernke, from the Michigan militia, who apparently *sent* *a* 
*fax*, a memo, to congressman Steve Stockman of Texas, who held 
onto it for awhile and finally sent it to the NRA. And then the 
NRA held it -- and it was important information, apparently! -- 
held it for 24 hours, before they sent it on to the FBI. Can you 
shed any light on that?
 
 
BILL CLINTON:
No, I can't shed any light on that. I don't want to do, or say, 
anything that would impair our investigation in this case...
 
[...]
 
The other thing I think we can do... is to ask the American 
people who are out there just tryin' to keep everybody torn up 
and upset all the time, purveying hate, and implying at least 
with words, that "violence is all right", to consider the 
implications of their words, and to call them on it. We *do* have 
free speech in this country. And we have very broad free speech 
and I support that. But I think free speech runs two ways. And 
when people are irresponsible with their liberties, they ought to 
be "called up short", and they ought to be talked down by other 
Americans. And we need to "expose" these people for what they're 
doing. This is *wrong*. This is wrong. You never know whether 
there's some fragile person out there who's about to "tip over 
the edge", thinking they can make some statement against the 
system. And all of a sudden, there's a bunch of innocent babies 
in a daycare center, dead.
 
[...]
 
But it's not just the movies showing violence. It's the *words*, 
spouting violence, giving sanction to violence, telling people 
how to practice violence, that are sweeping all across the 
country. People should examine the consequences of what they say 
and the kind of emotions they're trying to inflame.
 
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This has been, *from* *his* *own* *mouth*, on *60 Minutes*, Bill 
Clinton, President of the United States of America.
 
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