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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4 Num. 67


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4  Num. 67
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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BILL CLINTON ON *60 MINUTES*
 
President Clinton was interviewed on the CBS program, *60 
Minutes*, on April 23, 1995. Following is my summary. My comments 
are indented and in brackets.
 
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STEVE CROFT:
Mr. President, you said this afternoon that our one duty to the 
victims and the families is "to purge ourselves of the dark 
forces which gave rise to this evil."
 
Can you bring the country up to date on the status of the 
investigation?
 
 
BILL CLINTON:
[Hems and haws. Usual type answer about how he thinks law 
enforcement is doing a great job, that the investigation is 
ongoing, et cetera.]
 
 
  [CN -- Clinton does not answer as to, what exactly are the 
  "dark forces" he is referring to.]
 
 
STEVE CROFT:
...it seems almost certain now that this is "home-grown 
terrorism"; that the enemy is, in fact, within. How do we respond 
to that?
 
 
BILL CLINTON:
Well, we have to arrest the people who did it, we have to put 
them on trial, we have to convict them and punish them. I 
certainly believe that they should be executed...
 
[...]
 
[Clinton calls for "a review and reform of the *habeas corpus* 
provisions because it should not take 8 or 9 years and 3 trips to 
the Supreme Court to finalize, in fact, whether a person was 
properly convicted or not."]
 
 
MIKE WALLACE:
...Are we Americans going to have to give up some of our 
liberties in order better to combat terrorism? Both from overseas 
and here?
 
 
BILL CLINTON:
Mike, I don't think we have to give up our liberties, but I do 
think we have to have more discipline. And we have to be willing 
to see serious threats to our liberties properly investigated. I 
have sent a "counter-terrorism" piece of legislation to Capitol 
Hill, which I hope Congress will pass. And after consultation 
with the attorney general and the FBI director and others, I'm 
going to send some *more* legislation to Congress to ask them to 
give the FBI and others *more* power to crack these terrorist 
networks -- both domestic and foreign.
 
  [CN -- *What* domestic "terrorist networks"?? What "domestic 
  terrorist networks" is he talking about? No one has been tried. 
  No one has been found guilty.]
 
[...]
 
 
LESLIE STAHL:
[Ms. Stahl had spent the day with the Michigan Militia.] What I 
kept hearing from the militiamen there, and I gather this is true 
among all these so-called "patriots", is the Waco incident. It 
seems to be their battle cry, it's their cause. They say that the 
feds went into a religious compound to take people's guns away. 
They say no federal official was ever punished; no one was ever 
brought to trial.
 
I'm just wondering if you have any second thoughts about the way 
that raid was carried out?
 
 
BILL CLINTON:
[irate] Let me remind you what happened at Waco and before that 
raid was carried out. *Before* *that* *raid* was carried out, 
those people *murdered* a bunch of innocent law-enforcement 
officials who worked for the federal government. Before there was 
any raid, there were *dead* federal law-enforcement officials on 
the ground.
 
And when that raid occurred, it was the people who *ran* their 
"cult compound" at Waco who murdered their own children. *Not* 
the federal officials. *They* made the decision to *destroy* all 
those children that were there.
 
And I think that to make those people heroes after what they did 
-- *killing* our innocent federal officials and then *killing* 
their own children -- is evidence of what is *wrong*...
 
I cannot believe that any serious, patriotic American can believe 
that the conduct of those people at Waco justifies the kind of 
outrageous behavior we've seen here in Oklahoma City, or the kind 
of inflammatory rhetoric that we're hearing all across the 
country today. It's wrong.
 
 
  [CN -- I don't wish to digress into a study of what actually 
  happened near Waco, Texas from Feb. 28 to April 19, 1993. For 
  those wishing to learn more about the Waco tragedy, I recommend 
  a booklet that may still be available from The Committee for 
  Waco Justice (Phone: 202/986-1847  202/797-9877) entitled "The 
  Massacre of the Branch Davidians". Also recommended, "Holocaust 
  in Waco" by Stephen Cox and R.W. Bradford in the June 1993 
  issue of *Liberty* magazine. Also recommended, "Gunning for 
  Koresh" by Daniel Wattenberg in the August 1993 issue of *The 
  American Spectator*.]
 
  [CN -- My personal opinion in this matter is that Clinton is 
  incredibly wrong in his statements in the above 4 paragraphs in 
  which he talks about Waco. Being somewhat familiar with the 
  case, my jaw drops in amazement that this man, the President of 
  the United States, can be saying these things. Clinton is so 
  *hugely* wrong about Waco in his above statements, that one 
  does not know where to begin in critiquing what he has said. 
  Read the recommended articles (above), then re-read what 
  Clinton has said and draw your own conclusion.]
 
 
LESLIE STAHL:
But Mr. President, there are tens -- maybe more -- tens of 
thousands of men and women, dressing up on week-ends in military 
garb, going off for training, because they're upset about Waco -- 
despite what you've said. We're talking about thousands and 
thousands of people in this country who are *furious* at the 
federal government for what *you* say is irrational -- but *they* 
believe it.
 
 
BILL CLINTON:
Well they have a right to believe whatever they want. They have a 
right to say whatever they want. They have a right to keep and 
bear arms. They have a right to put on uniforms and go out on the 
weekends.
 
They do not have the right to kill innocent Americans. They do 
not have the right to violate the law. And they do not have the 
right to take the position that if somebody comes to arrest them 
for violating the law, they're perfectly justified in killing 
them.
 
 
  [CN -- No one has gone to trial. No one has been found guilty. 
  Yet Clinton here as much as declares "them" guilty. Who are 
  "they"? When Clinton says "they" do not have the right to kill 
  innocent Americans, does he mean the Branch Davidians? Or does 
  he mean law-abiding militia members? In the context of his 
  statement, he can only be referring to militia members. Yet 
  bear in mind: no one has been tried; no one has been found 
  guilty. At best, Clinton's statement is incredibly 
  irresponsible. At worst, Clinton knows full well the 
  implications of what he has said.]
 
  [CN -- This man is the President of the United States???]
 
 
                   [...to be continued...]
 
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