	id AA23431; Thu, 23 Mar 95 13:24:35 CST
Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4 Num. 40


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4  Num. 40
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 20, 1995
 
On March 20, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the 
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone. 
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in 
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with 
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
   -- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
 
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. That was your most recent commentary. I put that out; that 
went out last night.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And *Propaganda Due* is tied in with the Gladio thing that came 
out, in a tremendous scandal in Switzerland.
 
In other words, they're a secret group that is promoting fascism 
and wants to do away with representative government. There's been 
things published about P-2 and Gladio.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. But, you know, you've lived in Chicago all your life, as I 
understand it. And looking back on the history of Chicago, have 
there been any "colorful scoundrels" that you can think of?
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh, yeah. The ones in the courthouse! [laughs]
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Some of 'em are still there! Some of 'em are *very* colorful. The 
scoundrels are not all gone.
 
And the other thing you gotta understand about Chicago is, 
whatever criminality there is they want to blame on two groups 
that may not be that much involved: street gangs (mostly blacks 
and Hispanics), and the traditional Italian and Sicilian mafia. 
But the best way to understand that is, they *front* for the 
"blue-stocking" trade, the ones that are in the social directory. 
They don't want to do their dirty business *directly*, so they do 
it through these other people.
 
And I'm hoping, *someday*, that a *former* mafioso (if there is 
such a thing) will enlighten us as to the dirty work that they do 
for the very wealthy, that do not wish to dirty their hands with 
various things: with the dope trade... with various things.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You did a commentary once that I *wish* I had recorded. For some 
reason, I figured "Aw, no. I'm not gonna..." And maybe you'll run 
it again. That, it dealt with, along the lines of "The dope 
shipment had arrived, so Mayor Daley ordered a special police 
escort to bring the dope to..."
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh yeah! We did a show on that. We did a one-hour show on that. 
We had interviewed some very well-placed people in law- 
enforcement. And they told us how the dope business really 
operates in Chicago. It operates through... Well, they had a 
protected warehouse on the north side [of Chicago] and they had 
one on the south side. And the truckloads of dope would come, 
escorted by a police car! [laughs]
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And the dope is piled up, like so many bags of coffee!
 
And we also know of a very fancy restaurant, that's on North 
Milwaukee Avenue here, where the dopers and the police brass 
meet, jointly.
 
So about six weeks after our television show, the law enforcement 
people busted a south side warehouse posing as a "truck repair" 
place. And trucks would come in, with dope in the panels of the 
truck.
 
They did not, however, bust the major dope warehouse on the north 
side. And our moderator suggested that we *not* give the exact 
address, for fear that it'll be bombed and that innocent people, 
driving by or walking by, will be hurt, not knowing what's in 
that warehouse.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And this brings to mind, I had asked you about the other 
panelists on your show. And you told me about Jim Reis and Cliff 
Kelley. But... (I like all your group there; I think you got a 
good chemistry.) But what about Marc Sato? Any background on him?
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He had worked some years ago for IBM. And I think he's in the 
process of writing a book. He has gone into seclusion; he hasn't 
been on our show for several months now.
 
But he was on our show from the beginning, from '91 up until 
about the end of '94. He's a computer expert and he's a third- 
generation Japanese-American.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And he wrote... Did he write a book, *The Law That Never 
Was*, or somethin' like that?
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. He did the principal work for two volumes, which a *few* of 
the larger libraries have it. But it was privately printed. It's 
generally not available outside of the Anti-Tax movement.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So is he the author, then, of that? Or...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He's not listed as the author, but he actually wrote the thing. 
'Cuz the guy they list as an author, I know. And he's not a 
writer! [laughs] So somebody other than the listed author 
obviously wrote the thing.
 
It's an interesting documentary study of the 16th amendment being 
fraudulently obtained, and that the necessary number of states 
never ratified the 16th amendment. And therefore the underpinning 
of the IRS is fraudulent.
 
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