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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4 Num. 29


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4  Num. 29
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 6, 1995
 
On March 6, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the 
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone. 
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in 
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with 
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
   -- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
 
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[...continued...]
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK [continues]:
So Tony turned to Judge Will. So now here's two CIA guys: Judge 
Will, before taking the bench, had been head of counter- 
intelligence in Europe, for CIA. O.K.?
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So here's these two CIA guys walking through the lobby of the 
courthouse, and they walk *right* into me, on purpose or 
otherwise, and he starts talkin' to me about the show we did 
about the gold under Andreuccetti's building, see?
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So he made a, he made a -- what do you call it? He made an 
apology for the thing. Like it was justified. That *his* *people* 
were justified in murdering the Major and moving away the gold, 
'cause the Major, the head of the unit in charge of this cave 
full of gold, was gonna turn over the gold to the Italian 
communist party.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. But they kept the gold for themselves though.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No, no, no...
 
The gold had been gathered up from the Vatican, from King 
Emmanuel. The House of Savoy. Because at the close of the war, 
King Emmanuel's property in Italy was forfeited. The details of 
how the new parliament in Rome forfeited his property started to 
be run in the book, a reference book called *Statesman: 1946*. 
And part of it is re-printed in the '72 issue of *Statesman*. If 
you get to a good reference library, you can see that. The House 
of Savoy.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Who is an heir to the House of Savoy? Joseph Andreuccetti.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. The plot thickens. Let me just run through a few basic 
questions though here...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right. Well let me just tell you one more detail.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The reason they've kept Joe [i.e., Joseph Andreuccetti] in court, 
going on the eleventh year, is they wanted to tie up his 
signature. Now if you understand law, you would see the point. A 
person's signature has no financial validity when there is a 
bankruptcy trustee in charge of you. If you get pushed into 
bankruptcy, your signature is crap! You can't *do* anything with 
it, financially. So that the trustee...
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Jay Steinberg?
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...Jay Steinberg,
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...Hopkins & Sutter, RTC, the $50 million transfer, and all of 
it... The reason they keep Joe pending in court is, it continues 
to invalidate his signature.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K.? It's his signature that is so damn important.
 
Then, when you compare that with the Lynette Redmer interview 
(which the government has threatened me over, which they got an 
injunction against me and Joe over it), you can see what the 
importance is.
 
And there is Scariano, part of that O.S.S. unit, O.K.? He turns 
to this CIA intelligence chief, Judge Will, and he starts 
referring to "Skolnick's cable TV show". In my presence! In the 
presence of Joe and another associate.
 
Do you see the point?
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Uh... It's a complex case, O.K.? And I'm workin' on it. And I'm 
goin' through the court documents. And I got the, I jumped ahead 
to the *last* documents and put them out, because it seemed to me 
that...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Listen. I'm thinking about writing a book. I'm working on a more 
detailed story for *Media Bypass*.
 
  [CN -- *Media Bypass* is a magazine, as I recall, handled 
  independently by Tom Valentine, host of *Radio Free America*. 
  It has no direct connection to *Spotlight*, to my knowledge. 
  Skolnick's article, to appear in the next issue as I 
  understand, deals with the Whitewater scandal. Skolnick has 
  said he would send me a copy, but even if he remembers to 
  send me a copy of it, I hesitate to distribute it, due to a 
  recent "learning experience" I had in regard to my 
  distribution of what I believed to be a summary of another 
  author's material. So -- bottom line -- if you can find the 
  magazine, read Skolnick's article. I will do what I can about 
  trying to possibly summarize Skolnick's article, but I can't 
  guarantee I will be doing so soon, if at all.]
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The point of the thing is, the largest bank in Italy, owned in 
part by the Pope, has got an office here, O.K.? Banca Nazionale 
de Lavoro.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Banca Nazionale de Lavoro.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Now if you knew banking, you would see my point. I'll make the 
point, it'll be on the tape, and you can study it.
 
The bank has the most sound collateral in the world. They have 
got it in with this gold, which is good collateral. Do you know 
what I mean? It's like...
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! Sure.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They got, like, a warehouse receipt. It's not like a federal 
reserve note, that's got nothin' behind it. Their -- whatever you 
wanna call it -- their IOUs, that they issue as bank notes, from 
this bank, with the branch in Chicago, is secretly backed up by 
the gold that's under the ground in Building Four! [laughs]
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I told ya what happened before our show went on the air! One 
member of the London gold pool admitted it to me later. He, at 
great expense, he came with a giant back-hoe and started digging, 
for no other good reason, behind Building Four.
 
I interviewed the president of the condo association. And she 
took me over, behind Building Four, and she says, "Look where 
they were digging over here. It didn't make any sense! There's 
nothing going on. Why were they digging?"
 
They were digging for a whole week, uh -- starting the day after 
we *taped* the show! Before the damn show even went on the air, 
they were already diggin' a big hole there -- see?
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But what they found out [laughs]... I brought a hydraulic expert 
to look at the place. There's an artificial lake near that 
development, *and*, like the Pyramids of thousands of years ago, 
there's a *trick*, see? If you try to get to the gold, you get 
drowned. This artificial lake will get ya. It's hooked up by a 
special device there. 'Cause right across the road from the 
Kingspoint Condominiums is this artificial lake. And so, if you 
try to get at the gold, you need to know the trick, see?
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The lake will suddenly drown you, underneath there! [laughs]
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, there's some kind of a mine out in Nova Scotia or somethin' 
that's kind of the same way; that they discovered some mine...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I brought some of the leading hydraulic experts in the world to 
look at the thing, and they agree with me. I'm the first one that 
looked at the lake and says, "Hey. I'm not a hydraulic expert. 
What's with this lake!?" [laughs] So they noticed that there's 
some kind of a trap door underneath one of the laundry rooms in 
one of the buildings.
 
Anyways... Hey! If I write a book about it, it'll be astounding, 
I'm telling you.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! You ought to!
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
A friend of mine contacted Oliver Stone, who knows me, and 
they're thinkin' about makin' a movie about it. It, it's very 
interesting.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. With Christian Henning, jr., O.K.? He's the godson and 
nephew of Archbishop Paul Marcinkus...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Did you hear that interview we did with the consul-general of 
Italy?
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! That went out. That went out, I sent that out. I'm workin' 
on... Did you get the, I sent you some information.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I got it. I didn't look it over. It just arrived in the 
mail. Thank you, very much.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I'll send ya some more.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The point is that, Marcinkus is the key. They want... [*sotto 
voce*] He's here, supposedly with diplomatic protection. The 
Vatican is not Italy. And Italy is not the Vatican. The Vatican 
is a separate sovereignty...
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...within Italy. Do you see what I'm sayin'?
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
 
And so, Italy wants him?
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. Italy wants him on a thing left over from Michele Sindona. 
His son, Nino Sindona, has been an export-import agent in 
Chicago. And... Well... The guy that traded on the markets for 
Michele Sindona has been trying to "put the arm on" [i.e., 
pressure], on Andreuccetti. It's a long story, separate by 
itself. Just take my word, at the moment, that we got a lot of 
details about that.
 
Sindona is mentioned in detail in Luigi DiFonzo's book, Luigi 
DiFonzo's book, *St. Peter's Banker*.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You can read about Michele Sindona. He was the Pope's banker. And 
he was murdered in an Italian jail, after being extradited from 
the United States.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And so we have Christian Henning, jr., uh, and he 
represented himself as being in business with Andreuccetti and 
got a loan...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Falsely!
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah... falsely, yeah.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Illinois law requires a written partnership: there is no such 
thing.
 
                   [...to be continued...]
 
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