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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4 Num. 28


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4  Num. 28
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 6, 1995
 
On March 6, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the 
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone. 
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in 
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with 
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
   -- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
 
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. I... All your stuff...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...That's O.K. It's in very small type and you didn't get around 
to read it.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No. In fact, I think I even put it on the Internet, now that you 
mention it.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K. They got $2 million -- falsely described as "10 thou" [i.e. 
10 thousand] by the press, O.K.? But the deal is, they didn't 
want to blow out Nixon's brains, so they set him up at the 
Watergate. And Woodward, who's...
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
He's CIA, right?
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Naval Intelligence.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...was the front -- not a *journalist*, understand...
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And he had *all* the inside information, as if a secret contact 
met him in an underground parking garage -- all of it B.S. [i.e., 
"Bullsh**"], O.K.?
 
*Now*, the Europeans *apparently* have... Well it was European 
journalists, together with some retired CIA people, that 
uncovered Clinton's secret Swiss accounts, by way of the Fuji 
Bank and the Grand Caymans -- that $50 million that we described 
went to Little Rock, to the Caymans, to Switzerland, and is there 
in the name of Chelsea Jefferson.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, this all ties in with the Andreuccetti case. And 
that's...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
...You sent me a lot of those...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And, and, and the thing is, one of Kenneth Starr's people told me 
-- not to flatter me! -- that the thing that we have been working 
on -- about the 50 million?
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
 -- is one of the most crucial points. They've already got the 
date. They know the money arrived in Little Rock and went by way 
of Fuji Bank, to the Caymans and off to Switzerland. And it got 
mixed in with the Mena cocaine money, O.K.? Clinton's "cut" for 
the deal. All right?
 
The thing is, *they* claim, that if that story ever gets into the 
popular press it will topple the government. That is *their* 
words: "It will topple the government."
 
So, they didn't tell me that to flatter me. 'Cause these are 
really hard-nosed investigators. You understand what I'm saying?
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And, uh...
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, I had noticed last night that, just a brief spot on, 
that there's four Supreme Court justices that are under 
investigation for acceptin' perks, or somethin' like that? Have 
you heard anything about that?
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No, no.
 
But understand what the problem is: there's a concerted attack on 
the central government. I don't want to pick up on LaRouche's 
theories, I'm not a supporter of his -- I stay neutral, regarding 
him.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I... I'm neutral also. He has some good ideas, but...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He claims that it's a British conspiracy.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh... It's the same thing as Watergate. You know what I mean?
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They want Clinton out.
 
Hey, look how many months it took for Watergate.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, that dragged on.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...March of '73, to August of '74. And as you... As I have told 
you, I got inside information from a top journalist, whose editor 
killed a story about Spiro Agnew. And I was 6 months ahead of the 
parade. And I must be a good 6 months -- oh, I'm at least a 
*year* or more ahead of the parade on the Al Gore scandal.
 
And notice, the *Wall Street Journal* is going at the *third*-in- 
command, the Speaker of the House, Gingrich.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I just got the *Journal* just now. I was just out gettin' it. So 
I haven't read it yet.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well not today, but in the past they've run very negative stories 
about Gingrich.
 
So in other words, they've got enough goods to terminate the 3 
top people of our government: the President, the Vice-President, 
the Speaker of the House. And what they want to do is cause a bad 
situation where they can put in Jay Rockefeller. Remember, they 
had a plan to put in Nelson...
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I remember that, O.K.? And what? They were first gonna get 
rid of Al Gore and then Jay Rockefeller was gonna come in and...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I'll tell ya somethin': in '75, I had the same recorded lines, 
you know?
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And every one of my lines... At the time, I had older equipment, 
that required more phones. I had 30 lines coming in to "1100" 
[i.e., 312-731-1100], O.K.? They were *all* *blocked*! Because I 
was running accurate stories about 3 genuine plots against Gerald 
Ford. Um... "Squeeky"...
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Fromme.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...Fromme. Uh... that other woman. What the Hell was her name 
there?
 
There were 3 genuine plots. And the secret [Secret]... I called 
up a friend of mine, in the media, that I know. And he says, 
"Skolnick. You're on the *top* of the Security Index. It's a 
wonder that there's anything still going at your house, *any* 
kind of a utility." I was gonna picket the phone company, in '75. 
It was just no way... There was no way that... At the time I had 
about 35 lines, total. I got newer equipment now, that drops the 
lines quicker and therefore I don't need that many lines, see?
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And there was no way that anybody could reach my message, during 
that period when we ran exclusive stories about the plots against 
Gerald Ford.
 
But what I'm *getting* to is, if there's something happened to 
Gerald Ford, who was the un-elected Vice-President? Nelson 
Rockefeller!
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Do you see the point?
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. And then... Yeah.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So in other words, there was a scheme to put in Nelson 
Rockefeller as the un-elected... 'Cause a lot of people don't 
like his name. And they don't like Jay Rockefeller, just because 
of the name. Although he's very pleasant to... when you see him 
on the television.
 
So there apparently is a plot to put in Jay Rockefeller as the 
new President. So they're... They're cranking up attacks on all 
three of 'em: Clinton, Gore, and Gingrich. They're gonna get rid 
of all three of 'em.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. You know, I have some questions on the Andreuccetti case. 
I'm slowly but surely gettin' those documents out there. I kind 
of...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well what are the questions.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right. This is how I understand it so far: Andreuccetti owned 
the Kingspoint Condominiums. And did he own some other...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, they are 5 buildings. I don't know how many dozen... 
hundred... apartments, that are, over here, called 
"condominiums".
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They're giant buildings, O.K.? In a whole development there.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And when the gold was purportedly put under Building Four...
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. So that this is...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The cement trucks that came there were pouring cement like the 
cement was going all the way down to China.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So there's... You mean there's also this thing with the gold, all 
right? And that gold was what? The gold that was smuggled out of 
Italy?
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. And the one that was part of that unit, keeps, on purpose, 
running into me: Illinois appellate court judge Anthony Scariano, 
a former sergeant in the O.S.S. And he was part of the unit that 
had the gold in a cave! In the last twenty-some odd years, since 
1973 (that's 22 years), I have interviewed most of the members of 
his unit. Scariano survived *five* military and civil 
investigations in the 12 years following '44, when the gold 
disappeared.
 
 
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So that's the reason...
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And then he came up to me, two years ago, in the presence of two 
of my friends -- one of 'em being Andreuccetti -- and says, 
"Skolnick, I saw your T.V. show," (this was... We did a T.V. show 
in... We *taped* it in October of '92). He says, "There's some 
inaccuracies there."
 
I says, "Well, Tony, I don't have no case pending in your court. 
So you could talk to me. What's inaccurate?"
 
So he turns to federal district judge Hubert Will, a senior, 
semi-retired judge who was walking with him -- and ran *right* 
into my wheelchair, on purpose or otherwise -- and he turns to 
him and he says, "Well. Skolnick's show referred to two people in 
my unit that murdered the Major and dumped him in a lake."
 
And then he went on to describe him. And from that I got to 
understand that Tony and others felt it was justified to murder 
the Major. Because the gold in the cave... The Major was gonna do 
what some would consider treason. He was gonna turn over the 
Italian gold to the *partisans*, the Italian... uh, the 
*communistas*, the Italian Communist Party!
 
                   [...to be continued...]
 
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