	id AA22349; Wed, 28 Dec 94 15:33:52 CST
Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. 29


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3  Num. 29
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- WHITEWATER UPDATE
 
Tom Valentine's guest on *Radio Free America* (Shortwave, 5.065 
MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on November 30, 1994 was independent 
researcher and founder of the Citizens Committee to Clean-up the 
Courts [CCCC], Mr. Sherman Skolnick. Note that views expressed in 
the following do not necessarily reflect my own views or those of 
Conspiracy Nation.
 
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[Awesome sounds of John Phillip Souza's "Stars and Stripes Forever"]
 
ANNOUNCER:
It's *Radio Free America*, the talk show for intelligent 
Americans, with your host, Tom Valentine.
 
*Radio Free America* is brought to you by *The Spotlight* [CN -- 
Note: Throw mud here.] Call 1-800-522-6292 for your subscription.
 
And now, the newspaper that "tells it like it is" presents Tom 
Valentine.
 
 
TOM VALENTINE:
Hello, everybody. Welcome back, to *Radio Free America*.
 
And here we are: the third of the last three broadcasts at 
daytime; gonna be shifting to night, coming Monday. (That will be 
December the 5th, I believe.)
 
So, today, because the Senate is busy debating GATT, and because 
we have "GATT-ed" ourselves out -- we've made our case, now if... 
The jury's out and if the prostitutes in our Congress do not 
listen to those who put 'em there but go to those who are payin' 
'em, then GATT will pass [and] there's not much we can do about 
it.
 
So. With that in mind, very much like yesterday's show, I'm 
reaching into *Radio Free America's* "bag of tricks", if you 
will, to some real classics. And I have a group of guests that 
give this show something that no other radio talk show can have, 
really.
 
So on the other end of the phone, out of Chicago, is Sherman 
Skolnick, the Committee to Clean-up the Courts. And if you will 
recall, a long time ago Sherman was a guest on this show and he 
predicted certain things about Whitewater.
 
So we're going to go back and look at the President of the United 
States and Arkansas and this scandal that has lost a lot of press 
coverage. Because of other events, we haven't heard much about 
Whitewater and so forth.
 
So Sherman, welcome back to *Radio Free America*.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Good afternoon to all of your listeners. I'm pleased to be on 
your show again, Tom.
 
More than a year ago, I said exclusively on your show that a 
federal grand jury, meeting in Little Rock [, Arkansas] and 
elsewhere, was in a position to target, for federal criminal 
charges, President Clinton and the first lady. And I'm sure some 
people shook their heads to say, "Hey. This fellow Skolnick, from 
Chicago: does he know what he's talking about?"
 
Well, I've been doin' this type of work, heading up a research 
and investigation group, for more than 32 years. And we know what 
we're doin'. A number of high-level judges have gone to jail 
because of our work. And we've "got our ear to the ground."
 
Now, the *Los Angeles Times* has started a preliminary story 
which has been summarized, for example, in the *Chicago Tribune*, 
November 25th, where they say that there are about to be 
Whitewater indictments by special counsel Kenneth Starr, 
including, reportedly, against Arkansas governor Jim "Guy" 
Tucker...
 
 
VALENTINE:
Now *that's* been in the news.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Right.
 
...former U.S. Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell, which 
is third in command, and others.
 
 
VALENTINE:
That's *not* been in the news all that much. I haven't seen the 
newspapers bandying Hubbell's name about with these indictments.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
I'm just lookin' at the story from the *Los Angeles Times*, with 
the *Los Angeles Times* dateline.
 
But notice the paragraph: "But there is no indication *so* *far* 
that Starr is considering seeking indictments against President 
Clinton or first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton."
 
Well [laughs], I tell ya somethin': at the very minimum, the 
President and the first lady are going to be, what is known in 
law, shown as "unindicted co-conspirators", which is just a 
*hair* away from an actual federal criminal indictment. In other 
words, they're *part* of the deal, but for whatever practical or 
other reasons they are not named as actual federal criminal 
indictments. And that, apparently, is where the matter stands.
 
But in order to understand the whole thing, we have to back up a 
little bit. And here are some key dates that I want your 
listeners to carefully consider.
 
July 19th, 1993. An elite unit of the FBI, under the direct 
supervision of the FBI director who, up to that day, was William 
Sessions. They were investigating high-level criminality. And 
they had targeted... well, they had come across information 
showing criminal offenses committed by Bill Clinton and his wife.
 
 
VALENTINE:
All right, hold on. We've got that date, July the 19th, 1993. My 
guest, Sherman Skolnick, Committee to Clean-up the Courts, out of 
Chicago. I'm Tom Valentine and this is *Radio Free America*.
 
[...break...]
 
Back live, *Radio Free America*. We're talking with Sherman 
Skolnick. And there are, evidently, developments in the grand 
jury situation down in Little Rock, Arkansas and the new special 
prosecutor, Mr. Starr. And not a lot has been published in the 
major media, although, Sherman, you're sayin' that the *Los 
Angeles Times* have started it.
 
So let's go back to these important dates now.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
By the way, this article [in the *Chicago Tribune*] was tucked in 
what they call the corner of the page, about halfway through the 
first section. If you didn't look carefully, you might miss it. 
But there it was, November 25th, '94. I read a couple paragraphs 
from it.
 
But getting back to the dates that I mentioned on the previous 
program but I'm going over it. July 19th, 1993. An elite unit, 
set up under the direct supervision of the FBI director at that 
time, William Sessions, had uncovered information of a criminal 
nature against the President and the first lady. What happened 
was, later that day, Sessions was "sacked" [i.e. fired] on what 
some feel were frivolous reasons: that he had failed to buy a 
separate plane ticket for his wife, who once or twice accompanied 
him on a plane for official business. He was "sacked" for that.
 
The next morning [i.e. July 20, 1993], a federal magistrate in a 
pending criminal case in Little Rock -- U.S. vs. David Hale. Hale 
was, at one time, a municipal judge, a state municipal judge, in 
Little Rock. In that case, the magistrate, working under the 
auspices of the district judge, ordered the release uh, 
divulging, of certain records that Clinton and his wife had which 
were in the custody of Vincent Foster, jr., White House aide. 
(Most people miss the point that, at that point, Foster was the 
personal attorney of the President and the first lady.)
 
That was the morning of July 20th, '93. That afternoon, something 
happened to Vincent Foster, jr.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Now wait a minute! Are you saying that Sessions was "canned" 
[i.e. fired] on the 19th, and Foster was killed on the 20th?
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Oh. O.K.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Less than a... well, less than a day apart.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Is that right?
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
 
 
VALENTINE:
I didn't realize that! I thought Sessions was long gone when 
Foster was found dead.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
No, he was "canned" later that day [i.e. July 19, 1993]. Just at 
the point that the FBI elite unit, under his direct supervision, 
came up with the information showing that Bill Clinton and his 
wife committed federal criminal offenses.
 
Now later that afternoon, on the 20th, something happened to 
Foster. Some contend it was a suicide; others claim it's a 
murder. Whichever way you pick...
 
 
VALENTINE:
He's dead.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
 
And then his office was ransacked while the FBI and others were 
not allowed to enter the office. They were kept in the hallway 
at, you know, away. And [Bernard] Nussbaum and others who were 
important in the White House at that time (but they later 
resigned) ransacked the office and took away records and said 
that the FBI cannot look at them.
 
 
VALENTINE:
All right, now, all of this is very well-known and old news.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Right.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Right?
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
 
 
VALENTINE:
O.K.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Now. What happened thereafter is, some time later... Well first 
of all, let's detail what the David Hale thing is about.
 
He got involved in U.S. Small Business Administration loans of a 
massive amount. He contends that he was forced to "funnel" the 
money to Bill Clinton...
 
 
VALENTINE:
Yes!
 
 
SKOLNICK:
...by way of the ex-wife of James McDougal, the head of Madison 
Guaranty S&L of Little Rock. And Hale let it be known to some 
reporters... uh, not many reporters quite wanted to "go" with the 
story. But Hale, in so many words, says, "Look. I'm not 'going 
down'. Clinton's 'going down'. Cuz *he* got the money, I didn't."
 
In other words, Hale says, "I'm not going to jail for something 
that Clinton got the money." You see what I'm sayin'?
 
 
VALENTINE:
Um-hmm [affirmative]. I remember all of this. Larry Nichols came 
out with that story, yeah.
 
                   [...to be continued...]
 
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