	id AA11680; Mon, 12 Dec 94 15:24:22 CST
Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. 20


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3  Num. 20
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THE DEATH OF COLONEL JIMMY SABO
 
Tom Valentine's guest on *Radio Free America* (Shortwave, 5.065 
MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on November 14, 1994 was private 
investigator Gene Wheaton. Mr. Wheaton has been looking into the 
suspicious death of the late Colonel Jimmy Sabo. Following is my 
transcription of that interview.
 
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GENE WHEATON [continues]:
That particular incident that your caller was talking about was a 
DC-6 load of 27,000 pounds of marijuana that was vectored in with 
the, by the covert operators, getting the, getting the squawk 
signals on the radio to land at Homestead Air Force Base, in 
Florida. The pilot of that plane was a guy by the name of Michael 
Tolliver(sp?). Mike Tolliver later flew a twin-engine plane up 
with a load of narcotics and wrecked the plane when he ran out of 
fuel just off of one of the islands in the Caribbean. He was put 
in prison, but later was called into federal court in Wichita, 
Kansas, under Judge Kelley's court, because of the lawsuit 
between the owners of the plane and the insurance company's 
claiming it was being used for criminal activities. Tolliver 
claimed that the plane he wrecked -- not the one at Homestead, 
but the one he wrecked in the Caribbean -- was furnished to him 
by the U.S. government and he was hauling narcotics into the 
United States for *them*. Now Judge Kelley(sp?) called him up 
from prison and put him in front of his court in Kansas, with the 
opposition of the U.S. Attorney's office and the Marshalls. And 
Tolliver made a sworn statement to the judge, to that effect. The 
U.S. government continued to deny any involvement, but a year or 
two later, the U.S. government *quietly* paid for that airplane.
 
Now that's the typical type of thing that... Laundered drug money 
is being used for covert operations all over the world, and it is 
*not*, I repeat, for national security reasons. It's to keep the 
covert operators in business and to keep the international 
weapons business viable. And that's the kind of guys that you're 
running into.
 
 
TOM VALENTINE:
All right. We have another caller, "J.R.", Johnson City, 
Illinois. You're on with Gene Wheaton.
 
 
J.R.:
O.K. Thanks a lot, Tom. What I wanted to ask Mr. Wheaton was, is, 
you know everybody knows what Clinton's up to and his "leftist" 
views and everything. And what I'd really like to know is, in the 
top echelon of the military, if they try this "national 
emergency" or try to bring FEMA in to take over everything (as a 
lot of the word is now on talk radio), do you think that there's 
enough of the top brass in the military that'll put a squash to 
this? I'll hang up and listen for the answer.
 
 
VALENTINE:
All right. Gene, I don't know if you would understand the 
question. I don't know if it's in your area. But it may be, 
'cause you *do* get around with our military. But there's a lot 
of Americans who are concerned that our government has a, in 
place, "Emergency Manipulation Agency", that could take over in a 
crisis and conduct martial law. And we're wondering if there are 
people in the military who simply wouldn't stand for it.
 
 
WHEATON:
Well I would certainly hope so.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Yeah, me too!
 
 
WHEATON:
The... 90, 95 percent of the military are extremely patriotic, 
loyal American people. The problem is that, in the old days, when 
you and I knew what our real military was, the line officers, the 
combat arms officers -- infantry generals, tank generals, 
artillery generals -- were the key men in the Pentagon. They now, 
through this infiltration, have moved civilians into the 
Department of Defense who are former covert operators in CIA. And 
have moved their proteges, who are military men but have actually 
worked on CIA covert operations most of their careers, into many 
of the very senior, key positions in the Pentagon. And these guys 
answer to their mentors, outside of the chain of command, rather 
than up through the chain of command to the commanding general. 
And they send orders out to the field, and people have to obey 
those orders or be court-martialed for disobeying them.
 
Now there's gonna be a... There *is* a plan, that came out during 
the Iran-Contra hearings, by Jack Brooks of Texas, that...
 
 
VALENTINE:
Yeah, but Jack is now out!
 
 
WHEATON:
Yes. But he brought it up, but he was shut down when he tried to 
elaborate on it during the Iran-Contra. A plan, that Ollie North 
drafted, for FEMA to be standing by, and martial law -- when it 
was implemented, they would go out and scarf up maybe 300,000 of 
the more, more vocal opponents of their plans, and put 'em in 
twelve detention camps [a.k.a. concentration camps] around the 
United States.
 
 
VALENTINE:
All right. We'll come back to that, if you don't mind, Gene. My 
last break of the day. My guest is Gene Wheaton. I'm Tom 
Valentine, this is *Radio Free America*.
 
[...commercial break...]
 
All right, we are back, live. My guest is Gene Wheaton, a veteran 
police investigator whose credibility is unchallenged, or 
unchallengeable. And he's one of the real Americans. I love to 
have him come on this show.
 
Gene, you were talkin' about Ollie North and FEMA when we had to 
take that break.
 
 
WHEATON:
That's right. And they set up this program to, they were planning 
on some Central American invasions. And if too many American 
people opposed it they were going to declare martial law and take 
these old military bases that they had designated, around the 
United States, as detention camps -- much like they did the 
Nissei(sp?) Japanese-Americans during World War II -- and scarf 
'em up and put 'em...
 
 
VALENTINE:
Well they have not abandoned that plan! They may have abandoned 
Ollie, but they haven't abandoned that plan!
 
 
WHEATON:
Well the plan is still there, on the books.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Yep.
 
 
WHEATON:
Jack Brooks was talked down and told he had to go into "executive 
session" [i.e. away from public scrutiny] when he brought it up 
during the Iran-Contra hearings. But it was still there.
 
And there is a new Army field manual on civilian affairs/civilian 
operations that's "floating around" right now calling, outlining 
this very same program.
 
 
VALENTINE:
All right. Now we've had a major political change in this 
country. And I've tried to point out [that] we're not saved by it 
at all. But it's a step in the right direction.
 
Jack Brooks is typical of the Democrats that were defeated, and 
he himself was defeated in this election. But do you think that 
there's enough stuff in Jack Brook's head, if he were ever to 
tell everything he's learned, it would be pretty heavy?
 
 
WHEATON:
Yes. He was the head of the House Judiciary Committee. And the 
sub-committee on crime of the House Judiciary Committee was the 
committee that held our hearings on the Gandor crash. And he 
is... And I also briefed him, his staff, on the covert operations 
at Mena, Arkansas.
 
And incidentally, I know it's not the time to go into it, but 
we've tracked the operations of the 32 missing C-130s *through* 
Mena, Arkansas. And the same people are running those that were 
running these things now. And it's a continuation of Iran-Contra! 
Everybody thinks Iran-Contra *quit* with Ollie North and Secord 
being exposed. But it actually got bigger because the media 
stopped looking at it at that time.
 
 
VALENTINE:
All right. Now. We *are* getting out of time. But you will be 
back, I am sure. The, the last thing I want to ask you is... 
[sighs] I was listening to you and I've lost my train of thought, 
but I will get it back.
 
Essentially, you read the book by Terry Reed, I presume?
 
 
WHEATON:
Yes. I know Terry Reed.
 
 
VALENTINE:
*Compromised*. And Terry Reed is pretty valid, is he not?
 
 
WHEATON:
His book is, concerning events at Mena, Arkansas, is extremely 
accurate. I can't vouch for the other things about his stolen 
airplane and the covert operations in Mexico that he talks about.
 
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  [CN -- Regarding the credibility of Reed's book, I have 
  recently heard its credibility questioned as follows: (1) I 
  called a radio program which featured a reporter from the 
  *Arkansas-Gazette*. In the process of challenging him (he was 
  defending Clinton), I mentioned Reed's book. His retort was 
  along the lines of "I can't really see Reed smoking a joint 
  with Bill Casey." (2) A similar disparagement was heard by me 
  shortly thereafter on a different radio show, where the 
  disparagement went along the lines of "I can't really see 
  Reed smoking a joint with Ollie North."
 
  From the book, *Compromised*, by Terry Reed & John Cummings 
  [excerpts only]:
 
    The governor's invitation had come as a surprise to 
    Terry. He would be even more surprised by what he was 
    about to see and hear.
 
    "Bobby says you've got a problem about going to Mexico 
    because of the deal with Barry Seal," the glassy-eyed 
    governor began. By this time, the smell of marijuana was 
    unmistakable.
 
    Clinton paused for a moment as if trying to sort out his 
    thoughts. "I can see your concern. I understand Seal was 
    a friend of yours. His death does appear suspicious... 
    Seal got just too damn big for his britches and that scum 
    basically deserved to die, in my opinion..." {CN -- 
    Further note that LaRouche et al. have heaped *great* 
    *praise* on Reed and his book. This makes me wonder, how 
    does LaRouche's newspaper *New Federalist* reconcile this 
    paragraph with their unbridled praise for Reed's book? 
    After all, LaRouche and friends keep *defending* Clinton 
    -- isn't there a contradiction here in that they *both* 
    defend Clinton *and* endorse Reed's book? What does 
    LaRouche say about "...that scum basically deserved to 
    die", a statement attributed to Clinton in a book which 
    has received strong endorsement from the LaRouche 
    organization?}
 
    With that, Clinton got up from his chair and went to the 
    back of the van, returning with a half-smoked joint. He 
    reseated himself. He took a long, deep drag. After 
    holding it in until his cheeks bulged, he then exhaled 
    slowly and deliberately.
 
    He extended his arm and offered the joint to Reed. Terry 
    shook his head and gestured, no thanks.
 
 
  I have been unable to locate any section in which Reed is 
  smoking marijuana with either Bill Casey or Oliver North. If 
  anyone knows of such a section, please send the relevant page 
  number and/or chapter. In the meantime I will keep searching 
  through Reed's book for the alleged section.]
 
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VALENTINE:
All right, the very last thing: is anything *ever* gonna come of 
the Gandor investigation?
 
 
WHEATON:
Well the Gandor investigation is the biggest scandal that is 
being concealed in the entire 20th century, as far as I'm 
concerned. We got 248 soldiers from the 101st Airborne murdered, 
and 8 crew members. And Ollie North and Dick Secord and "Buck" 
Ravell(sp?) of the FBI, and the administration, *covered* *that* 
*up*. We have just come across *new* information, that we may 
have to talk about later, that shows that there was some back- 
pack nuclear devices on that airplane and there was a *nuclear* 
*accident* at Gandor that they didn't want the world to know 
about because they were illegally moving nuclear devices through 
countries that weren't authorizing this to take place.
 
 
VALENTINE:
You will be back, on *Radio Free America*, Gene Wheaton. I sure 
thank you for your time today.
 
 
WHEATON:
O.K., Tom.
 
 
VALENTINE:
And we *will* be talking. All right. Thank you very much.
 
Gene Wheaton is the guest and, as you heard, there's a *lot* 
goin' on out there, and it's not... It's skullduggery. More 
skullduggery than we care to even contemplate. It's time it gets 
cleaned up, folks. And Americans like Gene Wheaton are gonna help 
us.
 
All right! We'll be back! In the next hour. See you right after 
the alleged "news".
 
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