	id AA09743; Sat, 10 Dec 94 20:51:03 CST
Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. 18


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3  Num. 18
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THE DEATH OF COLONEL JIMMY SABO
 
Tom Valentine's guest on *Radio Free America* (Shortwave, 5.065 
MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on November 14, 1994 was private 
investigator Gene Wheaton. Mr. Wheaton has been looking into the 
suspicious death of the late Colonel Jimmy Sabo. Following is my 
transcription of that interview.
 
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TOM VALENTINE:
Now who are his superiors, then? These guys have to be under 
suspicion.
 
 
GENE WHEATON:
Well they were. The commanding general and the chief of staff 
were both forced into retirement over this thing. And...
 
 
VALENTINE:
That's a pretty easy way out!
 
 
WHEATON:
Oh yeah. Well it had to go quietly because there was such a 
scandal involved in this whole operation.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Yeah, but you see what a strange country we have? We get a *huge* 
media coverage over some females complaining about being 
manhandled in a hotel with a bunch of Navy fliers, and it covers 
the media for months and years; we get some men who are killers 
and murderers and dope peddlers and everything else, with a 
Marine Corps uniform, and we don't get any coverage.
 
 
WHEATON:
Well that's the, the turning the American public's brain to 
cottage cheese so they don't look at the big issues. One of the 
major covert operations these guys in Washington had going (and 
again, this is sort of the "lunatic fringe"; it's not the 
mainstream people. Because the mainstream CIA and Pentagon people 
do not agree with what's going on.) They set up an operation 
called "Operation Screw Worm", built this secret airbase down on 
the Mexican-Guatemalan border and were moving weaponry down to 
Peru, and being... ostensibly to furnish to the Peruvian 
government to fight "Shining Path" revolutionaries and the drug 
smugglers. But in fact, when the consignments would get down 
there, the covert operators would break 'em up, *sell* *to* 
*both* *sides* to *keep* agitation going and to *keep* the 
business of covert operations and weapons movements viable. It's 
the entire covert operations sub-culture, and the movement of 
weapons around the world. And these paramilitary, low-intensity 
conflict operations are *strictly* *business* with these men. 
It's...
 
 
VALENTINE:
...I...
 
 
WHEATON:
They don't want to go back home and run a 7-11 store.
 
 
VALENTINE:
I've heard that story so many times. And it's so true, I believe.
 
My guest is Gene Wheaton. The subject: the death of Colonel Jimmy 
Sabo, and the Marine Corps base at El Toro being involved, and 
this kind of drug smuggling operation. I'm Tom Valentine, this is 
*Radio Free America*.
 
[...break...]
 
We are back, live. We're talking with Gene Wheaton, [an] 
investigator that's been a guest on this show before and probably 
the most credible of among all the investigators into the 
corruption that we've found in this country. Gene, I have to say 
that, personally, I find you one of the most credible in the 
country. And I certainly respect what you are doing.
 
 
WHEATON:
...I appreciate that.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Now. If anybody wants to join us out there, you can call in -- 
questions, comments -- 1-800-878-8255. You don't *have* to, but 
if you'd like to, you may. 1-800-878-8255.
 
Before I go any further: 32 C-130 planes. That's a lot of big 
planes. And how big is a C-130?
 
 
WHEATON:
Well it's the *huge*, 4-engine, turbo-prop that you see, painted 
olive-green, that goes into war zones all over the world. It's 
the work horse of the U.S. military.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Yes, and it carries an awful lot of cargo.
 
 
WHEATON:
It can haul tanks. It can haul, I don't know, 50, 60, 80 thousand 
pounds of cargo. It's the *real* work horse, going clear back to 
the Vietnam War.
 
 
VALENTINE:
And they cost a lot of money to build.
 
 
WHEATON:
They cost over $10 million to build. And even these used ones 
were worth well over 5, 6, 7 million dollars apiece. And they, 
they... The covert operators laundered these through the 
Department of Agriculture with phony papers showing that they 
were gonna be water droppers for the forestry service. And then 
they wrote them off as scrap metal at $15,000 apiece and gave 'em 
to the covert operators.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Was that ever investigated in Congress? The fact that somebody 
laundered this much hardware through the Agriculture Department?
 
 
WHEATON:
Yes. Congress... While I was in the middle of the Sabo 
investigation, congressman Charlie Rose of North Carolina 
contacted me, and asked me to assist his office in looking into 
these claims, and sent me the files on them -- which I 
researched. And that's how we *tracked* some of these airplanes 
*back* to the Marine Corps air station at El Toro, and down to 
the Gulf War. I've photographed half a dozen of 'em out here on 
the west coast for the congressman.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Was Mr. Hasenfus in one of them?
 
 
WHEATON:
No, Hasenfus was in a C-123 that...
 
 
VALENTINE:
...Oh.
 
 
WHEATON:
...came out of the same group. But that was years before. These 
all were stolen between 1988 and 1991.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Oh, these came in the Bush watch.
 
 
WHEATON:
Yeah. And there's a whistle blower pilot up in Oregon, who has 
filed a whistle blower lawsuit, who can, you know, recover a 
certain amount if he discloses corruption and loss of funds for 
the government. That case has been in federal court under seal, 
and it was just unsealed in the federal court in Portland, 
Oregon, Friday, November the 4th. And he and I have been sharing 
information on this case. And he's testified before the 
congressional committees on them.
 
 
VALENTINE:
I'd love very much to have *him* come aboard as a guest, because 
this show is heard in Portland, Oregon.
 
 
WHEATON:
I think that he would be willing to do it. And his name is Gary 
Eitel -- E-i-t-e-l.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Well I will get that contact from you, off the air. I appreciate 
it very much.
 
So. We know that Jimmy Sabo was murdered. Are we going to be able 
to level any murder charges?
 
 
WHEATON:
Well, the... After I went back to Washington the second or third 
time and briefed the Department of Defense, Criminal 
Investigation Service, and the inspector-general's office, they 
re-opened the case. But it appears, on the surface, that they're 
more interested in, I guess you might call it "damage control" or 
limiting the embarrassment to the government. Because the last 
time they were out here, two or three weeks ago, they sent a team 
out to interview me, they interviewed people here in southern 
California. They went up to South Dakota and interviewed Colonel 
Sabo's brother, Dr. David Sabo, who is a world famous neurologist 
(and he's my client). And they refused to discuss the 
circumstances of the murder, for 2 days interviewing him, and a 
day interviewing me, stating that all they were interested in was 
what we knew about covert operations and who our sources were.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Well that, that is a real tip-off! Isn't it?
 
 
WHEATON:
Yes, it is. The sad thing is, the head of that team is a 30-year 
friend of mine who served with me in C.I.D. [Army, Criminal 
Investigations Division], and now he's a civilian in D.O.D. 
[Department of Defense] that has to serve his civilian masters. 
So he's...
 
 
VALENTINE:
He's not very happy with what's going on, is he?
 
 
WHEATON:
No, he's not. But he's limited in what he can do.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Gene, I understand (and you're a fellow that's close to this), I 
understand that there is a great deal of "resentment" (for want 
of a better word) among truly patriotic, hard-working Americans, 
who have been watching this kind of thing for years and years in 
the government.
 
 
WHEATON:
That's absolutely true. In fact, when I first got involved in the 
investigation of the Iran-Contra affair, it was because a group 
of very dissatisfied Pentagon officials and CIA officers came to 
me (as I was already retired from military), and they were *in* 
the service of the government and they said, "We can't do 
anything or we will destroy our careers and hurt our families. 
But will *you* do it for us?" And that's where I networked in and 
started my investigations of all this stuff.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Yes, you have been in it a long time.
 
All right! My guest is Gene Wheaton, an investigator 
*extraordinaire*, if the truth be known. Probably knows much more 
than he can tell. 1-800-878-8255, if you'd like to join us. I'm 
Tom Valentine, this is *Radio Free America*.
 
[...commercial break...]
 
O.K. We are back, live. My guest is Gene Wheaton. He is an 
investigator. He has had many, many years of experience, and 
plenty of credentials to do what he does.
 
And you actually got recruited by military buddies of yours when 
you were *out* of the military. And [you] started lookin', back 
in the days of Iran-Contra.
 
 
WHEATON:
That's correct.
 
 
VALENTINE:
I remember the last time you were on. You said something about 
helping "The Opponents for Ollie North". Well Ollie North got 
beat. Can you take any credit?
 
 
WHEATON:
I certainly sit back here very pleased that he got beat. I... The 
man is part of that "lunatic fringe". I equate him to corporal 
Adolph Hitler, before the German government was taken over. They 
really want a secret police state! He and his little fringe group 
that he runs with. And I, I did what I could. They started a 
disinformation program about 30 days before the election, to try 
to get the national media to stop talking to me. But I was in 
there working, to the last day.
 
                   [...to be continued...]
 
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