	id AA27590; Sun, 27 Nov 94 12:47:12 CST
Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. 01


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3  Num. 01
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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C.I.A. and the Dope Business
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My thanks to a CN reader for sending a videotape of several 
episodes of a public access show out of Chicago called 
"Broadside". This particular episode (below) features Cliff 
Kelley, a former Chicago alderman, Jim Reis, producer of a public 
access show called "Wall Street Lies", Mark Sato, author and 
researcher, and Sherman Skolnick, researcher and founder of the 
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts.
 
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[Awesome sounds of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture]
 
CLIFF KELLEY:
Good evening, and welcome to another edition of "Broadside". I'm 
your host, Cliff Kelley.
 
Today we're gonna be talking about something very interesting 
which I'm sure many of you have heard *something* about, but 
you're maybe surprised at the intricacies involved in, the CIA 
and the dope business. That is our subject for this edition of 
"Broadside" -- The CIA and the Dope Business.
 
And in this edition we're going to begin doing something new. 
We're going to have a guest panelist with us. Occasionally we 
will be doing this in the future. As many of you regularly see 
the show, you know quite often we have a *guest*. But in this 
edition we're gonna have a guest panelist who can help us to 
understand the issue that we're speaking about. And he is Mr. Jim 
Reis, who is the producer of "Wall Street Lies". And of course, 
"Wall Street Lies" is shown right here on cable access.
 
And Jim, thanks for joining us today.
 
 
JIM REIS:
It's a pleasure to be here.
 
 
KELLEY:
Appreciate your being with us.
 
Also with us is our regular panelist, Mr. Mark Sato who, of 
course, is a legal researcher and an author. Mark, thank you.
 
And of course, rounding out our panel, our other regular 
panelist, Mr. Sherman Skolnick, who is the founder of the 
Citizens' Committee to Clean-Up the Courts and the editor of 
"Hotline News". Welcome, Sherman.
 
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Thank you.
 
 
KELLEY:
The CIA... Many feel CIA should, of course, stand for "Cocaine 
Import Agency". And *60 Minutes* has had a recent segment on, 
showing the fact that the CIA brought in so many thousands of 
kilos into the inner cities and the country, and *lost* them, 
although they were supposed to be controlled. The only thing that 
was wrong with the [*60 Minutes*] segment that many of us saw was 
the fact that the inference was that this was a one-time deal. It 
wasn't a one-time deal. The CIA deals [unclear] drugs, as does 
the DEA, the ATF, and a number of other government agencies.
 
 
MARK SATO:
Don't leave out the FBI.
 
 
KELLEY:
Or the FBI. You're right, Mark. Don't leave them out.
 
 
SATO:
And the IRS.
 
 
KELLEY:
And the IRS.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
And the DEA.
 
 
KELLEY:
I mentioned that. At any rate, there's been a lot of work done by 
our team of investigative reporters, and that is the subject of 
our show for today.
 
We're gonna start off, talking about Mena. Many people have heard 
of Mena. Mena is a small town in southwestern Arkansas which has 
an airstrip larger than anything at O'Hare or the airports in New 
York. And many people don't understand why.
 
Well the reason is, of course, that there were shipments, trans- 
shipments, being flown by C-130s at Mena, having, taking off to 
Nicaragua and bringing drugs back.
 
President Clinton, before he was elected, admitted that, on a 
national show, that in fact that *was* happening, but that he 
didn't have anything to do with it [Skolnick breaks out 
laughing], because it was done by the federal government.
 
But let's start off, Sherman, with you. And exactly what is going 
on? We found out, through the investigative reporters, that not 
only do we have Mena, we have something a lot closer than Mena.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Right. We have Joliet, Illinois, which is just south of Chicago. 
And there's a comparison there between... Well there's a fight 
going on, as many of us know, between the Justice Department and 
the Treasury Department, and some of it is breaking out into the 
open.
 
Now the *Wall Street Journal*, for example, on October 18th, 
1994, ran on the editorial page a big feature story called "The 
Mena Cover-Up", where they told about how an IRS investigator, 
William C. Duncan, had for 10 years [tried] to get the Mena story 
out in the open. And that the media -- well of course the *Wall 
Street Journal* doesn't admit it -- but the media "pooh-poohed" 
it. They didn't go ahead with it.
 
*Now* they're praising him as a great hero -- of course, he's no 
longer an IRS investigator. But he pointed out about these things 
that are now coming more out in the open: that the CIA pilots... 
In fact, one of the CIA pilots, Terry Reed, has written a book 
called *Compromised* that deals with Clinton, as governor, being 
involved in the dope shipments, Ollie North, George Bush. It was 
sort of a non-partisan thing... *bi-partisan* is I think what 
you'd call it.
 
 
KELLEY:
What exactly, so our viewers totally understand this, Sherman, 
what exactly is the purpose, what was the reason, for the drug 
sales?
 
 
SKOLNICK:
The Mena thing? I think the rationale there was that it helped 
finance the Contras. Which I suppose, maybe they wanted to bring 
some dictator back to Nicaragua.
 
 
SATO:
Well the rationale they sold to anybody who was willing to 
listen.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
What do you think the rationale was?
 
 
SATO:
To line their own pockets.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Yeah, that's also a rationale.
 
 
KELLEY:
[unclear]
 
 
REIS:
In addition to that, it's also to give the people another drug, 
much like alcohol, or television and the mass media.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Not officially.
 
 
REIS:
Correct. To keep them... stupid...
 
 
KELLEY:
The opiate of the masses. {1}. Yes.
 
 
REIS:
I mean, there is... It is simply another tool of the power 
structure, the elite, to keep people from seeing what's really 
going on!
 
 
KELLEY:
I think probably what we have here, gentlemen, is all three of 
those things, because through the last three decades we can 
certainly trace the sale of certain types of narcotics here in 
the United States based on who we are trying to supply arms to, 
and can't, legally, through Congressional act. And of course, as 
you know, arming the Contras was illegal since the Congress has 
said, "No more money." So we've done this quite often, in a 
number of places.
 
 
REIS:
Well it's clear that the CIA is heavily involved in drug running 
operations.
 
 
KELLEY:
Yeah.
 
 
REIS:
And it's just something that people should be aware of. And a lot 
of the money is laundered *through* Wall Street, through *so* 
many different methods.
 
 
KELLEY:
That is your focus; give us an idea on that.
 
 
REIS:
Well I, you know, there are so many ways to do it. And in fact, 
recently -- I didn't cut any articles out because it's such a 
well-known fact -- that not just the Mafia, but all kinds of 
people use Wall Street brokerage firms to launder their money, 
their drug profits.
 
But also, when you look at the central banking system, which Mark 
and I have discussed on *my* show, the central bankers *have* to 
know where these billions and billions of dollars are coming in. 
Now through the late '70s and early '80s it was through the 
central bank in Miami. And it was *clearly*, the money was all 
funneling through there. Because Miami was absolutely the *major* 
drug port in the United States.
 
 
KELLEY:
They even purchased some banks.
 
 
REIS:
But the money eventually has to funnel through the central bank. 
The bank there was CenTrust Savings. And there were so many of 
those savings and loans. David Paul and CenTrust Savings was just 
one of the *biggest*. It was a big scandal. But so many of them 
were *used* by the drug dealers to launder the money. And the 
central bankers *have* *to* *know* *what's* *going* *on*. They 
keep track of the cash, flowing in and out of the local banks. 
Because the local banks then have to move it through the central 
bank.
 
 
KELLEY:
So you're saying you can't launder the money without them 
being...
 
 
REIS:
Absolutely not!
 
 
SATO:
The thing that I think that's really funny, that when these 
"austerity bankers" {2} get up...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
[laughs] Yeah...
 
 
REIS:
We have hundreds of thousands of accounts working in the banking 
system. [sarcastically] <<We don't know where this cash is coming 
from!>> They know exactly where it's coming from. They know 
exactly where it's going as well.
 
 
SATO:
There was a *60 Minutes* a few years ago in which they did an 
expose' of the legalized drug culture in Switzerland. And on that 
show they had a Swiss banker admit that right down the street, 
where they had a majority of the Swiss banks, at *least* 60 to 65 
percent of the money flowing through the Swiss banks was drug 
money, was narcotics profits.
 
 
REIS:
That's why you have these secret accounts. Now there's also a 
proposal that could really shake up all the guys that we're gonna 
talk about on this show. Because the Swiss bankers are saying, 
"O.K. Maybe we'll open up the banking system, and there won't be 
any more secret bank accounts!" Well that's where all the 
politicians who take the bribes and everything, that's where the 
money ends up!
 
 
SKOLNICK:
That's passe'. Switzerland is out, the Grand Caymans, the...
 
 
KELLEY:
Well let me ask Jim this one question: What you're saying is 
interesting. What you're saying is people *know* what's going 
on...
 
 
REIS:
Well of course!
 
                     [...to be continued...]
 
---------------------------<< Notes >>---------------------------
{1} Sports is the opiate of the masses.
 
{2} "austerity bankers" -- like, for example, the above-mentioned 
David Paul. The "austere" Mr. Paul, chief executive of the failed 
CenTrust Savings Bank of Miami (estimated cost to U.S. taxpayers, 
$2 billion) "...wasted depositor money on excesses that included 
$29 million for fine art, $1.4 million a year for a corporate 
jet, and $43,000 for limousines. (Paul paid himself $16 million a 
year in salary and bonuses, according to suits filed by federal 
thrift regulators. Among other things, he used CenTrust's insured 
deposits for a $7 million yacht, on which he installed gold nails 
and so much marble that some doubted it could stay afloat.) 
CenTrust was a major junk bond buyer, tied heavily to deals with 
Drexel Burnham Lambert." {*S&L Hell* by Kathleen Day. New York: 
W. W. Norton and Company, 1993}.
 
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