	id AA25411; Mon, 7 Nov 94 10:36:55 CST
Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 2 Num. 70


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 2  Num. 70
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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DENVER AIRPORT SCAM
 
[CN -- The following does not necessarily reflect the views of 
Conspiracy Nation. It merely reports what was said elsewhere.]
 
On or about October 6, 1994, Tom Valentine's guest on *Radio Free 
America* (shortwave, 5.065 MHz, 9 pm cst, mon-fri) was a man 
named Stew Webb. Mr. Webb has been looking into circumstances 
surrounding the construction of the Denver International Airport.
 
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[...continued...]
 
WEBB:
No, he isn't now. But at the time (this was back in 1982), he 
proposed the great idea to come up with a new Denver airport. 
Rather than fixing Stapleton Airport by adding two new runways 
and a couple new terminals, and it would be an adequate airport. 
And it had plenty of room for expansion; there's enough ground 
there.
 
He came up with the ingenious idea [that] they gotta have a new 
one! Well, he was part of "the boys". And all of MDC Holdings -- 
the ones that owned Silverado -- are the ones that owned all the 
land where the new airport is! Underneath all kinds of names: 
Dartmouth(?) Company, MDC, Charles Keating had ('cause Keating 
was connected to 'em, they had land of his out there), Bill 
Walters and Ken Goods(?) that were fronts for MDC officials and 
so forth. They owned all the land. They had total control of it, 
all the land that was purchased by the city to build, as well as 
all the surrounding land -- all the commercial and the 
residential land around it.
 
 
VALENTINE:
All right, the classic motion picture thing; we see it every time 
we watch a good, old-fashioned western -- the railroad guys come 
in, they're gonna steal the whole town blind, and everybody 
that's watchin' the movie can see it. In fact, even the guy... 
Everybody knows what's going on, but nobody does anything about 
it.
 
 
WEBB:
Well, the problem in this case was, you know, all the judicial 
cover-up and the blockage! And we'll get into that in a minute. 
But they owned all the land, and Paul Swamm was airport counsel. 
And ironically, I found in 1989 that he owned 8500 shares of MDC 
stock! So I think that was his bribe and payoff for his pushing 
of the new airport.
 
Now there was another bribe that was paid...
 
 
VALENTINE:
What's a share of MDC stock sell for? Back then.
 
 
WEBB:
Um, I think they're up around 5-something now. But at one point, 
you know, they were at 22 dollars a share. And [they] dropped 
seven-eighths of a cent [per] share, [an] overnight 22 dollar 
drop, when they were doing all the massive scams with Michael 
Miliken(sp?).
 
But anyway, Paul Swamm owns 8500 shares, so he initiated the idea 
(and it's a big fraud). And Mayor Pena got a $2.5 -- that's the 
new secretary of transportation underneath Mr. Clinton, his name 
is Frederico Pena -- took a $2.5 million bribe from Phillip Wynn, 
MDC director. And I have the guy that was standin' in the office 
when Phil Wynn threw a suitcase with $2.5 million in cash down on 
Frederico, then-mayor of Denver's...
 
 
VALENTINE:
All right now. Everybody needs to understand: he's talking about 
Frederico Pena. And this guy, Pena, was the mayor of Denver. And 
he's the secretary of what, now?
 
 
WEBB:
Secretary of transportation, underneath Clinton. They've 
[unclear] double slots...
 
 
VALENTINE:
Well he's earned that! I mean, he's built a $16 billion airport! 
He oughtta know a *lot* about transportation!
 
 
WEBB:
Oh, yeah, all about... He's nothin' but a clown. Pena's got some 
real interesting background in his, uh for a transportation 
secretary. You remember Daniel Ortega? The name?
 
 
VALENTINE:
Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's the Nicaraguan leader of the communists down 
there.
 
 
WEBB:
You got it, the communist leader. Well Mayor Pena, back in the 
late '70s, along with the current HUD secretary, name Cisneros, 
Henry Cisneros?
 
 
VALENTINE:
Cisneros, yes.
 
 
WEBB:
Yes. They were representing Mr. Daniel Ortega in a law firm they 
had set up down there in a communist country. Very interesting.
 
 
VALENTINE:
O.K. They belong in Mr. Clinton's cabinet, and that's where they 
are.
 
O.K. So Frederico Pena... You say he took a bribe. They got it 
down to [a] $2.5 million bribe. Has he been charged with that? 
Or...
 
 
WEBB:
I've got a guy that was standing in his office that wants to 
testify before a federal grand jury! And I've made the request 
before a grand jury last year. And a judge, who's part of the 
judicial blockage, Zito Weinshenk(sp?), who has direct 
connections with Leonard Melman, one of the MDC players, is the 
one who dismissed it, saying I don't have the right to appear 
before a grand jury and present all my evidence...
 
 
VALENTINE:
You don't have the right. You, Stew Webb, do not have enough 
standing to go in and say, "Look. This guy took this bribe, and 
I've got a man that'll say so." And because you have no standing, 
then they're gonna ignore this allegation.
 
 
WEBB:
Well, it's because of all the judicial blockage they've had.
 
Here's part of the problem with the airport, too: besides the 
fact that they owned all the land, they created three political 
action committees [a.k.a., PACs]. And these three PACs, one of 
them Bill Walters(?), the Silverado fellow that ran off with $100 
million, who was a front for MDC. And Ann Love(sp?), the former 
governor of Colorado, who's a partner with 'em [unclear], and 
Larry Meisel, chairman of MDC Holdings, all created a PAC, the 
political action committee. It was called, "Colorado Concern -- 
Vote 'yes' for Denver's future and Denver 2000". And they pumped 
money through -- "the boys" did, the connected boys, the go-go 
bankers and developers -- pumped all the money into the three 
political action committees, underneath all their dummy company 
names, to intentionally hide their own identity. And they raised 
several million dollars where they could put ads on the TV and in 
the papers and everything, to get the people of Colorado to vote 
for a new Denver airport. And also to perpetuate their fraud upon 
the fed, you know, and so forth. Even the Federal Aviation 
Administration said, "No new airport was needed," etc. But yet 
they got it through. And of course, they had Neil Bush, George 
Bush, uh "Poppy" Bush, the drug dealer's son, the other drug 
dealer, Neil, workin' for 'em. {1}. And so they were well- 
protected!
 
And they also had another part of this: they had the judicial 
blockage. They had U.S. attorney, United States attorney, Michael 
J. Norton, who Larry Meisel, chairman of MDC, was his campaign 
manager back in 1986 when he ran, unsuccessfully, for the U.S. 
Congress...
 
 
VALENTINE:
All right, hold on there. Michael Norton is who we're gonna come 
back to.
 
And why are these guys dealin' drugs? They're makin' so much 
money with savings and loan scams and so forth.
 
 
WEBB:
Well...
 
 
VALENTINE:
Hold... Hang on! I gotta take a break. I gotta take a break. My 
guest is Stew Webb. He get's very excited about this. But he is 
very sincere, very serious.
 
I'm Tom Valentine. This is *Radio Free America*.
 
[...commercial break...]
 
All right, we are back live and "Miss Lilly" {2} oughtta really 
be lovin' this 'cause we're not pickin' on Bill Clinton, really. 
We're pickin' more on George Bush at this time. But actually, 
it's both of 'em. And my guest is Stew Webb.
 
And Stew, I kinda feel like your coach because, you know, you 
came on this show many... How long [ago] was it? Three, four 
years ago now?
 
 
WEBB:
Well, I've been on your show probably 15 or 20 times.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Well, but the first time, though.
 
 
WEBB:
Uh, it was... I remember the date: it was September the 19th of 
1991.
 
 
VALENTINE:
All right.
 
 
WEBB:
They issued a warrant for my arrest, to try to silence me.
 
 
VALENTINE:
That's right. Well anyway, I was coaching you then, I want to 
coach you a little now.
 
You don't need to say that George Bush is a drug dealer, or Bill 
Clinton is a drug dealer. You may believe that and everything 
else. But we have... It, the "hard sell" is going to turn off 
more listeners and possible people to understand exactly where 
you're coming from than the "soft sell" will. The President of 
the United States has possibly been involved in some of these 
things. And the former President of the United States was 
evidently up to it, up to his ears. And so was his son, who was 
already part of the famous Silverado Savings and Loan scandal.
 
But *now*, we're getting around, you're talking about a guy named 
Mike Norton, Michael J. Norton, and he was the U.S. attorney in 
Denver. That's a very powerful position. That's a position that's 
appointed by the President of the United States and so on.
 
                   [...to be continued...]
 
-------------------------<< Notes >>-----------------------------
{1} Here, by "the other drug dealer", I don't think Webb means in 
the sense of Neil as drug dealer, but rather in the sense, "Bill 
Clinton and the other drug dealer, George Bush." Webb goes very 
fast, and is cautioned by Valentine to slow down later on.
 
{2} I think "Miss Lilly" is some old lady that keeps calling the 
show and complaining that they are picking on Clinton.
 
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