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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 2 Num. 34


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 2  Num. 34
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK INTERVIEW
 
Sherman Skolnick was interviewed on *Radio Free America* 
(Shortwave, 5.810 mHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on September 2, 1994. 
Mr. Skolnick is a veteran investigative reporter from Chicago and 
founder of the "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts" in 
that city. Following is my transcription of that interview. 
Host/Interviewer is Tom Valentine.
 
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[...continued...]
 
SKOLNICK:
By the way, let me just tell a little anecdote that might be [of] 
interest.
 
I and my associates, in September of '92, were in Bua's private 
office. By then he was a private lawyer acting as special counsel 
to the Inslaw grand jury. He was no longer on the bench.
 
I ended up in his office and we began talking about Banca 
Nazionale del Lavoro, the... BNL. And he says he never heard of 
them.
 
I says, "Well it's been much in the paper about Bank Lavoro 
scandal in Atlanta."
 
He says, "I never heard of 'em."
 
I says, "Judge..."
 
He says, "Don't call me 'Judge', Skolnick." He says, "You know me 
30 years. Call me 'Nick'."
 
I says, "Nick. How could you say that you don't know about Bank 
Lavoro?"
 
He says, "I don't."
 
I says, "They're right downstairs, Judge. Let me take ya right to 
'em. THEY'RE RIGHT DOWNSTAIRS OF YOUR OFFICE!!"
 
He says, "Well, I..." [laughs] He didn't have an answer for 
that!! I said, "*How* could you not know that their Chicago 
office is right downstairs!? Come on, Judge."
 
"Call me 'Nick'," he says.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Yeah, "Call me 'Nick'." That guy... I told ya this guy *enjoys* 
this fight! He's on top of the world; he's not the least bit 
afraid of you.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Notice what kind of a fraud he is! He says he never heard of Bank 
Lavoro and they're right downstairs of his office! [laughs]
 
 
VALENTINE:
Yeah well you see, every time you get a little barb like that, it 
just makes him enjoy the game all the more and, I think -- I 
don't even *know* the man -- but from the things you've told...
 
Now. The important part of that story, that you told on the air, 
was that you confronted, as a journalist, the people in the 
court, the different attorneys for the banks. And you got a 
confirmation from them that George Bush and Saddam Hussein were 
what?
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Were business partners. And I asked the participants in a federal 
case, in the back of the courtroom -- I wish we had our video 
equipment there. We would have gotten it on video. There was a 
case involving Saddam Hussein's secret partners. [Congressman 
Henry] Gonzalez's committee were interveners in the case. They 
later tried to stop publicity by telling an editor at *Spotlight* 
that there was no such case. You remember what happened.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Yeah.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
We came up with the docket and all the documents.
 
But the *unlisted* secret partner of Saddam Hussein, the Baghdad 
tyrant, was George Herbert Walker book... Bush. {1}. And the 
participants in the hearing confirmed it to me. I asked them 3 
times. I wanted to be *absolutely* sure. And I used his 4 names: 
George Herbert Walker Bush. And they says, "That's right. He's 
the partner in oil kickbacks with Saddam Hussein." And 
*Spotlight*, and your program, were the only ones to discuss it. 
In fact, a few days after that federal hearing (which was in May 
of '91), I was on your program with exclusive details.
 
 
VALENTINE:
That's right.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
The details *now*...
 
 
VALENTINE:
We gotta take a final break! My guest is Sherman Skolnick. And as 
you can see, a lot of things happen in Chicago and it's good for 
us that there *is* a guy like Sherman available to tell us about 
it.
 
I'm Tom Valentine. This is *Radio Free America*.
 
[...commercial break...]
 
All right. We are back. And my guest is Sherman Skolnick. And 
this is the final leg of this hour.
 
Sherman, have we *not* hit anything, of the updated stuff? 
Because we don't have a lot of time now.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Well. Let me just summarize it.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Where'd you go!?
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Uh... Are you there?
 
 
VALENTINE:
I... I have something wrong with my phone-set I think.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Can you hear me?
 
 
VALENTINE:
All right. Now I can, I think. Speak up.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
O.K. But...
 
 
VALENTINE:
Ah, there you are. Good. O.K.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Let me just summarize what we tried to cover briefly. Obviously, 
in the one-hour period we can't cover all the details.
 
But you can *see* why the late journalist, Danny Casolaro, called 
it "The Octopus". You can see what's happening here. And you can 
see why *Bua*, as the special counsel for the Justice Department 
to the Inslaw grand jury felt obligated to call what everybody 
else that knows anything calls a "murder", he calls it "suicide".
 
*Also*, you probably can see why some of us believe that White 
House aide Vincent Foster, jr., was murdered. Because -- and 
we've said it for a year! Because he was trying to tell Clinton, 
"Look. There's a murder team in the Justice Department and if you 
don't do anything you're gonna get impeached!" Well, instead they 
murdered Vincent Foster, and made it look to us as a suicide.
 
But. By the way. These murder teams specialize in two things: 
airplane sabotage, which is a subject that I have spent more than 
20 years investigating...
 
 
VALENTINE:
*Yes*. And you and I were both involved in that big one in 
Chicago that killed E. Howard Hunt's wife, Dorothy.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Right. And...
 
 
VALENTINE:
Who was the state judge that blocked that?
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Bua!
 
 
VALENTINE:
Judge Nicholas Bua. Call me "Nick"! [laughs] O.K. I just wanted 
to get that point.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
The second thing with this murder team, which operates, according 
to Elliott Richardson, in a secret section there, in, with, or 
behind O.S.I., in the Justice Department -- they specialize in 
*murder*, disguised as suicides. And in Danny Casolaro, and a 
number of other situations, a lot of the Inslaw grand jury 
witnesses supposedly, one by one, killed themselves. {2}.
 
 
VALENTINE:
This is not a secret any longer, because Michael Fuller has said 
it on this show. Dave Tompkin, Thomlin(sp?), David Thomlin said 
it on this show. The Wayro(sp?) gal, Maria Wayro, the former 
police officer, the whistleblower in Washington said this. So 
it's coming out, little by little.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
But the overall thing is... Let me just tick off briefly who 
all's involved.
 
Apparent bribery of the White House by Northrop, a defense 
contractor, apparently through Bua. People that were a part of 
Reagan's "Kitchen Cabinet", George K. Pender, Robert Maheu, 
Robert Booth Nickols, a CIA explosives expert that was 
Riconosciuto's former business partner.
 
You can see why the late Casolaro called it an "octopus". I mean, 
it is an international thing. And the *Tribune*, here in Chicago, 
is playing up the thing as simply a $12 million pension fund rip- 
off. I mean, and *yet* they put in their story, August 26th, that 
this guy Polichemi, who's being held in custody in Fort 
Lauderdale, that he's got worldwide connections through 
Luxembourg! Which is where BCCI operated through also.
 
I mean, in other words, they're not...
 
 
VALENTINE:
It was right under their nose, but they're not going to see it, 
because the powers-that-be will nail them if they try to see it.
 
Sherman, I want to thank you very much. Again, you've given us 
plenty to chew on. And we will stay in touch.
 
Sherman Skolnick is the guy who started the Committee to Clean Up 
the Courts more than 30 years ago. That telephone number for him 
is 312-731-1100. You can call at any time. They change the 
message 3 times a week.
 
Sherman, thanks a lot.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Thanks for listening. Thanks for having me.
 
 
VALENTINE:
We'll see ya next time.
 
All right! Here we go again, you see? Things are going [on], 
*even* *though* *you* *don't* *get* *'em* *in* *the* *news*! You 
don't see it in the newspapers. You don't see it on TV. But it's 
happening. That's why you need *Radio Free America* and *The 
Spotlight*. That's why I need guys like Sherman Skolnick.
 
We'll be back! Wide open lines, lot of commentary, next hour. 
Right after the news.
 
--------------------------<< Notes >>----------------------------
{1} "...George Herbert Walker book... Bush." "Book" as in police 
jargon, "Book him."
 
{2} These 41 deaths of Inslaw witnesses find parallels in the 
Clinton body count (in Arkansas, primarily) and in the deaths of 
witnesses connected to the JFK assassination.
 
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