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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 2 Num. 28


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 2  Num. 28
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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L.J. DAVIS INTERVIEW
 
L.J. Davis, author of an article offering a good look beneath the 
surface of Arkansas politics ("The Name of Rose", *The New 
Republic*, April 4, 1994), was interviewed by phone by David Inge 
of the local PBS-connected radio station on August 4, 1994. What 
follows is my transcription of that interview.
 
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[...L.J. Davis continues...]
 
All of this has been goin' on under everybody's nose, in 
Arkansas, and everywhere else, and there's a whole lot of 
culpability all over the place -- including culpability on the 
part of my colleagues and myself for not having caught it!
 
 
CALLER #3:
Uh-huh [understands]. Is that issue not even being addressed in 
the medical, the proposed medical health care reform?
 
               -+- All People Are Good -+-
 
L.J. DAVIS:
Um, it... The proposed medical health care reform, despite the 
interest of the Justice Department in stamping out medical fraud 
-- attorney general Reno's number 2 priority, and rightly so... 
But the legislation appears to be being written (hasn't been 
written yet, so we don't know) as though, once again, "All people 
are good". That... No investigator, federal or local, that I have 
talked to (and I've been talkin' to a *lot* of them) thinks that 
this health care bill is gonna be anything but an invitation to 
keep right on looting.
 
By the way, this goes on to such an extent that on a yearly 
basis, according to the most conservative estimates that I've got 
from the officials, we could fight between 8 and 13 Gulf Wars 
every year!
 
 
CALLER #3:
Well the Gulf War cost what? $50 or $60 billion?
 
 
DAVIS:
Um, not really. We... George Bush actually did something that 
Sergeant Bilko had long wanted to do -- run the war for a slight 
profit? A lot of that bill was paid for by our allies, including 
the non-participating Japanese.
 
 
CALLER #3:
What specific amount are you talking about then?
 
 
DAVIS:
I'm talking about, if you factor out how much it cost to keep...
 
 
CALLER #3:
I mean, how much would the amount be? For the medical insurance 
fraud.
 
 
DAVIS:
Oh! Between... going from the conservative to the high? Between 
$80 and close to $200 billion a year.
 
 
CALLER #3:
And the total national health care bill is estimated at what? 
$900 billion?
 
 
DAVIS:
It's gonna hit a trillion this year.
 
 
CALLER #3:
So you're talking maybe anywhere between 10 and 20 percent...
 
 
DAVIS:
That's right.
 
 
CALLER #3:
...of all health insurance costs are in the area of fraud?
 
 
DAVIS:
That's right.
 
 
CALLER #3:
They're doing relatively nothing about it.
 
 
DAVIS:
Uh, the Justice Department is, as I say, doing its best. But the 
Justice Department is dealing with an FBI that was fairly gutted 
during the Reagan and Bush years.
 
 
CALLER #3:
Uh-huh [understands]. Thank you very much.
 
 
DAVID INGE:
One more caller here. Line number 3. This is in Urbana. Hello?
 
 
CALLER #4:
Hello!
 
 
INGE:
Yeah.
 
 
CALLER #4:
Yes. I am Pakistani! And I am a doctor. And you *can* get drunk 
on 4 drinks. And...
 
 
DAVIS:
Well, yeah. You can! I've...
 
                 -+- A Racist Alcoholic -+-
 
CALLER #4:
...To continue: I think that you're probably an alcoholic! And if 
anybody notices me when I get off the plane here -- all of the 
people who get off the plane, we... some of us... my dear 
colleague, Dr. Singh, wears a turban. I hope we don't, don't 
cause some kind of a "whatever it is"!! I think you are... I 
think your whole *racism* is absolutely *disgusting*!!! And I...
 
 
DAVIS:
Doctor, may I point out...
 
 
CALLER #4:
...think absolutely ridiculous!
 
              -+- A Call From A Scotsman -+-
 
DAVIS:
Doctor, may I point out that these are not *any* of your 
countrymen, just any of your countrymen that are getting off the 
plane. These are people that the comptroller of the currency of 
the United States has specifically stated must never be allowed 
to enter the American banking system.
 
As for the Indonesians getting off, they are not just any 
Indonesians. They are known associates of the dictator of the 
country.
 
We're not talking ordinary people. I mean, if a Scotsman who 
happened to own a, or be associated with, an immense, corrupt, or 
questionable financial institution got off the plane, I suppose 
we'd have a call from somebody named "Mr. McLaren" accusing me of 
not liking Scotsmen!
 
I'm talking about a very specific kind of guy!
 
 
INGE:
Well we're down to the point here... We have maybe a minute and a 
half. And I guess...
 
 
DAVIS:
I guess that [unclear] of mine backfired!
 
 
INGE:
Well. We'll have to leave that, I guess.
 
Um. How does... You know, what do you come away with? Maybe I can 
just ask you, you know, personally, as you think about President 
Clinton and the Clinton administration... I mean, as a result of 
what you have done, what (and other people, they can read what 
you've written and they can make their own judgement) -- What do 
you come away with?
 
                -+- Very Serious Questions -+-
 
DAVIS:
What do I come away with. I come away with very serious questions 
about the President's character. Very serious questions about his 
judgement and the judgement of his wife, in the associations that 
they have. We never even got into the family's association with 
the state, a prominent investment banker who was also the state's 
most flamboyant cocaine addict! Talk about addicts! I mean, a guy 
that no Governor in his right mind should be associating with.
 
And this has been a pattern, throughout the political history of 
now-President Clinton. Yes, I'm disturbed and I have questions! I 
can't draw conclusions, because, as I say, we do not know the 
man's mind. (And the Congress is certainly not helping us work 
out his thought processes.)
 
 
INGE:
Well, I guess at that we will have to leave it. I want to thank 
you very much for talking with us. We appreciate it. And you 
know, perhaps sometime in the future we might get a chance to 
talk again.
 
 
DAVIS:
O.K.!
 
 
INGE:
We thank you for your time, very much.
 
 
DAVIS:
Listen, thanks so much for having me on!
 
 
INGE:
O.K.
 
 
DAVIS:
O.K.
 
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