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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 2 Num. 22


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 2  Num. 22
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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TERRY REED / JOHN CUMMINGS INTERVIEW
 
[...continued...]
 
 
TOM DONAHUE:
We're back. Tom Donahue, "America's Town Forum".
 
Clinton is a man of many contradictions. And I certainly think 
that this book proves that he was a CIA asset. A CIA connection 
here for sure. Maybe this might be his *darkest* secrets 
unveiled. But we find many bodies that are showing up. Uh, Barry 
Seal, among others.
 
I want to go back to a final word from John Cummings before we go 
to Terry [Reed]. Go ahead, John.
 
 
JOHN CUMMINGS:
I just wanted to make the point, you were talking before about 
"bringing the American people into the equation" and the decision 
to go for Bill Clinton and the "getting the right media" -- One 
of the things, obviously, that had to be done was to silence 
Terry and to trash him and to keep him from talking. And *Time* 
magazine did that for Clinton at a very critical time in the 
Presidential campaign in 1992.
 
 
DONAHUE:
Didn't he use his best friend, Strobe Talbott, his former 
roommate and who became ambassador-at-large and now second-in- 
command at the State Department?
 
 
CUMMINGS:
That's the... That's who Strobe Talbott is.
 
And *Time* magazine, you know... It's astounding. A lot of people 
pick it up and they said, "Why did they spend a whole page 
trashing a guy that no one ever heard of?" {1}. And Mr. Clinton 
obviously was very worried. One more scandal after Gennifer 
Flowers and he was finished.
 
 
DONAHUE:
Is *Compromised* the true story of Bill Clinton's political 
sellout to the CIA?
 
 
CUMMINGS:
Well I mean, Bill Clinton obviously did business with the CIA -- 
either for himself or because he felt he needed to do it for his 
state. To me, I think of it as Bill Clinton's Faustian deal, 
which just about everyone has to make to rise in the political 
power world.
 
 
DONAHUE:
Bill Clinton denounces the '80s as the "decade of greed", and we 
now know that he and Hillary participated greatly in that. He 
also denounced the Iran-Contra figures and the mission and 
purpose. And lo and behold! Bill Clinton pops up!
 
 
CUMMINGS:
More political hypocrisy.
 
 
DONAHUE:
Hypocrisy indeed.
 
John, I thank you for your participation today in the Town Forum. 
And Terry, uh I want to take a quick call here. Alan, from 
Boston. Go ahead, Alan.
 
Alan, you still with us?
 
 
ALAN:
Hello?
 
 
DONAHUE:
Go ahead, Alan.
 
 
ALAN:
Hi. You know, I do find it somewhat amusing that both of your 
guests and yourself will criticize Clinton and Bush, but you 
exempt President Reagan from any culpability or criticism in this 
whole matter! I mean, it's under his stewardship that this policy 
was invented!
 
 
DONAHUE:
Uh, I would agree "under his stewardship".
 
 
ALAN:
But you exempt him from any criticism here just because he's a 
right-wing icon!
 
 
DONAHUE:
No he's not... I... He's no hero to me!
 
 
ALAN:
I mean, it makes no sense to me!
 
 
DONAHUE:
Well let me ask our guests, and see what they think.
 
Reagan's involvement. Do you think Reagan knew very much? Was 
he... It *is* under his watch.
 
 
TERRY REED:
Well let me talk about the Reagan Doctrine. This man, Jack 
Wheeler, who wrote the Reagan Doctrine (which was secret, by the 
way, because you couldn't make it public because the Soviets 
would know what our plans were)... The plan was to bankrupt the 
USSR in 8 years. They figured out that the USSR would, in fact, 
as he put it, "engage in mindless, senseless violence around the 
world." They *would* get involved in Vietnam-style action as a 
way of promoting their own policies. And the Reagan Doctrine 
*was*, in fact, encouraging that kind of behavior: Afghanistan, 
Angola, Nicaragua were examples of that. {2}.
 
 
DONAHUE:
One final note: On Ollie North -- Did Reagan sell him out? And 
also, should people support Ollie North for United States Senate?
 
 
REED:
Well I... Was he a scapegoat? Certainly. Did he take a fall? Yes. 
He was basically the G. Gordon Liddy of that scandal. Would I 
vote for him? Yes. He's qualified, he's a liar. {3}.
 
 
DONAHUE:
Hmm... O.K.
 
I hope that you'll be in peace. I hope that you'll be in good 
health. Because many that have exposed Bill Clinton found 
themselves, not only their reputations besmirched (which they 
try), but dead. I hope that you don't end up in a body bag.
 
And I thank you, Terry Reed, John Cummings. The book is 
*Compromised*. It's available through us [...] Well worth your 
time and read, when you have the time!
 
Tom Donahue, for "America's Town Forum".
 
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{1} Regarding *Time* magazine: Also did a smear on Uri Geller 
in the 1970s; also praised Posner's *Case Closed* to the skies; 
also did a ridiculous story on Larry Nichols quite recently. As 
my uncle used to say: "*Life* [magazine] is for people who can't 
read. *Time* [magazine] is for people who can't think."
 
{2} Reed's answering of the caller's original question is cut off 
by Donahue due to time constraints.
 
{3} "[Ollie North] Would I vote for him? Yes. He's qualified, 
he's a liar." Reed's last statement is enigmatic. Because time 
has run out, clarification never follows the "He's qualified, 
he's a liar."
 
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