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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 2 Num. 05


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 2  Num. 05
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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TERRY REED / JOHN CUMMINGS INTERVIEW
 
[...continued...]
 
 
TOM DONAHUE:
Back to George Bush and his sons: What do you know there? What, 
what's... Because this book *does* focus on Bush *and* Clinton, 
let's talk about their knowledge, or their involvement or 
complicity, in the drug trade.
 
 
TERRY REED:
Well first of all, I'll whet your audience's appetite and use 
this as an opportunity to tell you there is another book in the 
works. This book [*Compromised*] became gargantuan, as you 
mentioned several times, and we had to finally, you know, lop it 
off at some point to get the thing to press.
 
But to answer that question, one has to study Barry Seal, and 
know something about intelligence, as it works anyway. And it's 
not like on TV. And it's not like the James Bond movies. You go 
to intelligence school to learn how to compromise people, how to 
blackmail them, how to get dirt on them. It's a very ugly 
business when you get into the mechanics of how it actually 
functions.
 
Seal was a master at that. A photographic memory, literally. I 
never saw him write a clearance, an aircraft clearance radio 
frequency, down. A new frequency was stored in his memory as if 
it was a computer database. And as I worked with him and he 
basically became my intelligence mentor, to teach me the civilian 
side, how it functioned, and I was teaching him a few things 
about manufacturing and, so we were cross-sharing information. 
But I grew to really admire Seal's ability to stay one step ahead 
of people that were either trying to control him, neutralize him, 
or whatever. I think that style, though, is what lead to his 
death.
 
He did share with me, on a trip coming back from Panama, he was 
confiding in me. (This was about 3 months before he was killed.) 
He was confiding in me that he had the ultimate "neutralizing 
weapon" -- as he always called blackmail material -- 
"neutralizing material". He had gained information, originally 
from the DEA, and then information that he had actually confirmed 
firsthand, that the Bush kids were "dirty", as he put it. They'd 
been *caught*, actually, ensnared, in a trap. And of course the 
agents involved, once they realized who they had caught, let 
everybody go.
 
 
DONAHUE:
We have Jeb Bush running for Governor in the great state of 
Florida. We have George W. Bush here in Texas. Are either of 
those two involved in anything like this, or perhaps in the past?
 
 
REED:
Yes. Through corporate linkage, which we're gonna define in 
detail in the next book. But one must go back and think about the 
fact that Zapata Petroleum had strong linkage to Mexico. I'm not 
saying this as a teaser, but that's where our book is gonna begin 
is, where Zapata came from. (Of course, that's what George Bush 
ran down in Texas [i.e. Zapata Petroleum].) And *who* was the 
connection in Mexico with PayMex(sp?) that allowed Zapata to get 
its drilling rights. And Seal, during that period of time was, in 
fact, hauling drugs *for* the CIA and DEA, out of Mexico. And 
that put him in a position to learn some of the players.
 
 
DONAHUE:
Let's further expound on the Bush connection, here. Mr. Bush, 
former President, and his sons, and the "Bush crime family", if 
you will. And then we'll come back, right after this break.
 
[...commercial break...]
 
Tom Donahue, "America's Town Forum". We're speaking with Terry 
Reed and author John Cummings, the authors of *Compromised: 
Clinton, Bush and the CIA*. How the Presidency was co-opted by 
the CIA. And a picture of "Billy Boy" and "Skull & Bones" are on 
the front.
 
 
REED:
[chuckles]
 
 
DONAHUE:
The book is available, we're gonna make it available through our 
organization {1}. [...extols book and gives info on how to 
order...]
 
Back to the Bush brothers and "King George" himself; let's talk 
specifically -- their involvement.
 
 
REED:
Well, I'm reading right now... Have you seen a copy of the *New 
Federalist* newspaper?
 
 
DONAHUE:
No, I haven't.
 
 
REED:
The current issue is dated April 18th. You ought to try to get a 
copy of that. It's a well put-together article.
 
 
DONAHUE:
O.K.
 
 
REED:
It can be received through P.O. Box 889, Leesburg, Virginia  
22075. {2}.
 
 
DONAHUE:
That's the official research arm of Lyndon LaRouche {3} ...
 
 
REED:
That's correct.
 
 
DONAHUE:
...and his group.
 
 
REED:
Now what they did, they took our book and quite interestingly 
enough {4}, turned the whole scandal over and literally lit a 
blowtorch on George Bush and family. And just to give you an idea 
about this meeting I was talking about: I'd flown down to Panama, 
to a meeting, and we were at a very critical juncture of 
launching the Mexican operation. We were actually discussing 
pulling the operation out of Arkansas and moving it down to 
Guadalajara. And Seal and I had flown down together to attend 
this meeting...
 
 
DONAHUE:
Because of the political connections in Arkansas, and the banks, 
and everything that was needed financially, the topography and 
the way it was set up, it *was* a good training base, wasn't it?
 
 
REED:
Oh very!
 
 
DONAHUE:
Similar to Central America.
 
 
REED:
Yeah, it was. My students commented on the mountainous region 
being very similar in topography, *and* climate. In the Spring, 
the fog, the way it hangs in the valleys. And we would practice 
penetrating the fog layer and using that for camouflage to fly 
low-level for our aerial delivery sorties. It was a very 
interesting place. Uh, they have mosquitoes down there the size 
of small birds, you know.
 
 
DONAHUE:
[chuckles] You were thinking about moving the operation.
 
 
REED:
It *was* moved, later. I was gonna read something to you, if you 
don't mind. Because what they [*New Federalist*] did was they 
took a lot of dialogue out of the book -- sort of condensed it.
 
 
DONAHUE:
O.K.
 
 
REED:
It explains a lot.
 
But this is Seal talking to me. This is a quote:
 
    "Terry, I've been working with several federal 
    agencies," Seal began. "In the course of that business, 
    a person can't help but run across some *very* sensitive 
    information. It seems some major players in the Medellin 
    cartel, whom I personally know, ran across some 
    knowledge that's very valuable to both Republicans and 
    the Democratic party. It seems some of the, George 
    Bush's kids, just can't say 'no' to drugs. A guy in 
    Florida, who 'flipped' for the DEA, has got the goods on 
    the Bush boys. Now I heard this earlier from a very 
    reliable source in Columbia. But I just sat on it then, 
    waiting to use it as my 'trump card'. I got names, 
    dates, places, even got some tape recordings. I even got 
    surveillance videos catching the Bush boys red-handed. I 
    consider this stuff *my* 'insurance policy'. It makes 
    me, and my 'mole' on the inside that's feedin' the stuff 
    to me, invincible."
 
And that's the end of the quote. Now...
 
 
DONAHUE:
We've got the cocaine Bush boys, and we have "King Daddy" 
overseeing the heroin trade out of Burma and turning a blind eye 
to it.
 
We'll be back. Tom Donahue, with "America's Town Forum".
 
                        [End of hour 1]
 
                    [...to be continued...]
 
--------------------------<< Notes >>----------------------------
{1} "The book is available..." No need to use Tom Donahue to get 
the book. It is available or can be ordered through your local 
bookseller. However, Donahue *does* offer audio tapes of past 
programs. Information I have, current as of July 21, 1994, reads 
(in part) as follows:
 
    Your tape order has been processed by volunteers...We 
    are sorry about the delay in getting your order filled. 
    [CN -- True, there was delay. Donahue's preoccupation 
    with his trial may have been why.] ...Tapes of past and 
    current shows (with fill-in host Bo Gritz) are still 
    available at $7.00 for both hours [CN -- Full price, 
    including postage]... Allow 2-3 weeks for delivery 
    although we hope to do it faster. For a list of shows 
    available send a self addressed stamped envelope to
 
    America's Town Forum
    P.O. Box 835
    Atlantic Beach, Florida 32233
 
    Most of each $7.00 tape goes for Tom's defense fund.
 
{2} *The New Federalist* is published weekly. Subscriptions are 
available at $20 for 50 issues, $35 for 100 issues. Make checks 
payable to "New Federalist" at New Federalist, PO Box 889, 
Leesburg, VA  22075. Note: It has good info, but I suggest 
reading it with "a grain of salt".
 
{3} In the past I have criticized LaRouche et al. This is not to 
say that they don't write some good articles. They *do* put out 
some excellent information, in my opinion. But be wary of turning 
your mind over to LaRouche, as some have done. For that matter, I 
would say to be wary, also, of turning your mind over to just 
about any "authority": Conspiracy Nation, television, Noam 
Chomsky, "experts", or you name it. The trick, it seems to me, is 
to think for yourself.
 
{4} "...they [*New Federalist*] took our book and quite 
interestingly enough..." Yes, I recall reading the *New 
Federalist* account of the Reed/Cummings book. By reading their 
account, you might miss the fact that this took place in Arkansas 
and that, according to the book, Bill Clinton has much to answer 
for. If one were to read only the *New Federalist* account of the 
book, one might go away with the impression that the book *only* 
features George Bush on the cover and not Bill Clinton as well. 
The *New Federalist* coverage, amazingly, neglects the 
Clinton/Arkansas angle. *WHY??* Why is LaRouche running 
interference for Clinton?
 
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