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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 2 Num. 01


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IN-DEPTH INVESTIGATIVE REPORT ON VINCE FOSTER SUICIDE

Congressional Record (Vol. 140, No. 104)

House of Representatives, Tuesday, August 2, 1994

<Transcribed from the RECORD by Christopher Dunn, cxdunn@delphi.com>

Part 2 of 2

	I do no want to upset Mr. Foster's family.  I am sure that 
they would like this thing to go away.  I am sure that O.J. Simpson, 
the families of the people who lost their lives in the O.J. Simpson 
case, I am sure they would like for it to go away.  But you do not stop 
an investigation because people want it to go away, especially if there 
are questions that are not answered.  You get to the bottom of it.  When 
a homicide detective goes out to investigate a site like Mr. Foster's 
death scene, they assume it is a homicide until they prove it is a 
suicide.  In this case, they tried to do just the opposite.
	Other questions.
	Congressman ROHRABACHER. "Well, we have two discrepancies 
here.  We have one discrepancy when he says he doesn't -- he never 
saw the gun and the other discrepancy is that he is absolutely certain 
that the palms were up.  So thus, we have two major discrepancies."
	Then we go on.
	I said, "But the point is, see that gun is shoved under his leg 
partially, but you are saying the palms were definitely --"
	The confidential witness said for about the 90th time, "The palms 
were up."
	I said, "And if the palms were up in that position, you would 
have seen the gun?"
	And he said, "I would have seen the gun."
	Other questions.
	I said, "Okay, now tell us about the cabin."
	There was a cabin there.
	I said, "You said you knew the guy that owned that cabin years 
ago."
	There's a cabin about 175 yards away from the site where they 
found the body.
	He said, "I knew a retired Navy commander who lives in that 
project.  He was going to set me up with the owner."
	I said, "But there is a private road that goes back to that 
cabin?"
	He said, "There is a private road that goes right back to it 
from the housing development right next to it."
	I said, "If somebody came back that road, they wouldn't be 
seen?"
	He said, "They would not be seen, period."
	I said, "How far is that from the cabin?"
	He said, "150 to 175 yards."
		<19:50>
	Congressman BURTON. "So they could have walked around that 
and come right up --"
	He says, "They are dead in the woods all the way, and there 
is a path that leads right straight up to where they found the body."
	I do not know if somebody brought the body in that way or not.  
I had no idea.  But that was something that was not investigated, 
because when they told the FBI about it they did not even know there 
was a cabin back there.  He had to show them.
	Then we started talking about when he left to call the police 
after he found the body.  He said," I went, got in my van, started up 
the parkway because I was on the parkway.  I got up to where the park 
headquarters are, about two, two and a half miles, maybe a little 
further up the road, the right-hand side.  There is a little phone sign 
right there.  I pulled in, there was a couple of vehicles on the left.  
I had never been in there before.  There are two phones there.  I never 
saw them because I saw the guys there.  The phones sat back behind the 
trees over here on the right side.  
	"I saw the guys there.  I was looking at them, drove by, still 
didn't see any phones, looked both ways but apparently drove right by 
the phones and never saw them, backed up, turned around, started to back 
out, was going to ask them to use the phone, motioned for them to come 
over.  
	"The younger, white man walked over.  I asked him for a phone.  
He stated that, you know, why?  And I says, well, it's an emergency.  I 
need to use the phone.  Can you get me to a phone?  Yes, but why?  And 
he says -- I think he said  it the third time.  At that point I went, 
wait a minute.  Fine.  Are you familiar with Fort Marcy?  Oh, yeah, I 
know it well.  Do you know where the two cannons are?  Oh, yes, I know 
it well.  Do you know the one up on the hill to the right?  Oh, yeah.  
The next Chain Bridge Road now.  Not the one on the left up there, the
one on the right all the way up on top.  Oh, yeah, I know it well.
	"I says, right beside it, down over the bank is a dead man.  
You call the police and tell them.  Oh, sure, great.  I don't need the 
headaches that go with possibilities of going to courts and hearings and 
crap that all I done was come onto a body.  That's all.  Hey, I done my 
duty, I'm gone.  He went to call the police; I simply drove off.  And I 
stayed quiet for approximately six months."
	The reason he stayed quiet for 6 months was because he was 
afraid.  He found this body under mysterious circumstances and did not 
want to get into it.
	Now he got into it, decided to become semi-public when he was 
coming back from Africa.  He went over there to take some pictures of 
some animals.  And I said, "Now, you were coming back from Africa, you 
went to Kenya.  Tell them about coming back from Africa and how you 
decided to call Gordon Liddy," to talk about it.
	He said, "When I got back from Africa, I was reading -- the 
London Times was eating that story up and I was sitting in the hotel 
reading it."
	Congressman BURTON. "This was what month?"
	He said, "This was April.  Yeah.  It was, I believe it was 
April or May."  He is talking to his girlfriend:
	"Hun, when was I in Africa?"
	She says, "I don't know.  I didn't go.  You left me home, 
remember?"
	Congressman BURTON. "Okay.  Go ahead."
	CW. "And it's when I got back, my brother came over and told me,
says you hear the story that the New York Times printed about the two 
park rangers have changed their story and stated that they had made up 
the story  about the guy in the white van, that they had snuck off down 
to the park to have a drink and discovered the body.  And to cover 
themselves, they made this story.  
	"And at that point, I went wait a minute.  Who in the world can 
put that kind of pressure on two career employees to make them tell 
that kind of garbage?  I better cover my hind quarters.
	"So I was thinking about what to do and my brother had been 
listening to Liddy and I have also respected Liddy for his word.  And 
he went into his background and he said, "And he was really hammering 
on the evidence, you know, that was being presented about the Foster 
case and the doubts."
	So he called Gordon Liddy.
	He said, "But having read about him, I decided that would be 
as good a  what I knew would become public and if there was a threat 
to me, that, that possibility of danger would be greatly, greatly 
reduced simply by the fact that what I knew would have been now 
made official."
	BURTON. "So you called Liddy because you wanted to get the 
facts out number one, and number two you thought you would be safer 
if the facts were.?"
	CW. "Exactly right."
	Then Congressman ROHRABACHER said, "There wasn't any -- 
foliage didn't seem to be -- did it seem like somebody dragged him up 
there?"
	The confidential witness says, Now, I did not read anything in 
this report and this has been stated numerous times.  Below this man's 
feet, all the way down into the bottom of the ditch, approximately ten 
feet or better, up the berm on the other side, over the hill to the 
walking trail, everything had been trampled completely flat like the 
man had walked back and forth at least a dozen times or better.  It 
was, at least 24, maybe 30 inches wide that everything was trampled 
completely flat."
	"Every twig, every leaf trampled from the bottom of his feet 
all the way down the valley and over the hill?"
	CW. "Completely flat."
	BURTON. "Like somebody had been walking back and forth 
there?"
	CW. "He had paced back and forth many times.  At least a 
dozen times.  You can't trample down that flat."
	BURTON. "And they didn't put that in that report?"
	CW. "Nothing in the report that I read.  That I have 
read."
	That is not in the report.  Below the body somebody had walked 
back and forth along this ditch, along this hill.
	BURTON. "Let me get this straight.  You are saying that there 
was a path almost from the bottom of his body down into the bottom, up 
over this hill?"
        CW. "And out to the walking trail on the other side.  As I showed
you here, from here down and out over that hill.  This is, this was very, 
very dense."
	BURTON. "And it was flattened out?"
	CW. "It was walked completely flat.  The agents had known 
about this and known about this.  Nothing in that report.  I don't 
know.  I don't know.  Did it disappear or what happened?"
	Congressman ROHRABACHER. "Your analysis --"
	BURTON. "Wait a minute.  This is very important.  You are 
saying that you told the agents this?"
	CW. "Oh, I told them numerous times."
	But it was not in the report.
	Congressman BURTON. "That the ground was --"
	Then I said, "Let me finish here.  You went out to the site 
with the FBI and you told them at the site where the ground was 
trampled and how far it went?"
	CW. "Yes.  I also walked them -- that doesn't make any sense 
was their statement about, why would they bring him in this way.  It 
was simple from the cabin.  What cabin is what their answer was.  The 
one right over there."
	BURTON. "So they said that makes no sense, why would there be 
a path here like this and you said because that's where the cabin and 
the driveway is?"
	CW. "Uh-huh.  And they did not know about the cabin and I 
walked them back there and showed it to them."
	The Congressman ROHRABACHER says, "Is it conceivable that 
somebody could have been on that path when you were relieving yourself 
without your seeing them?"  (The confidential witness went into the 
park to relieve himself because of the traffic.)  
	And so Congressman ROHRABACHER was 
asking him, is it conceivable somebody could have been there with 
the body and hiding in the woods while you were there.  The guy says, 
"Absolutely.  Absolutely.  It was that dense," that they could have 
been hiding in the trees.
	Congressman MICA says, "And you didn't see any -- you didn't 
see any evidence that someone had committed suicide, any blood 
in, say around the grass or anything behind the head?"
	CW. "We had no significant rain for 30 days.  The ground at 
the top of the hill in this area might get a small amount of sun a day 
because there are very big trees around that area.  Anything over that 
berm and down that berm never gets any sun; completely shaded out."  
(Yet they say the fingerprints melted off of the gun.)
	Congressman MICA. "But around the head --"
	CW. "There was no -- I mean I bent over and looked.  I didn't 
lay my head flat on the ground.  I probably lent my head down to within 
16 inches of the ground.  No signs, not a sign of," blood around the head.
	Then I said, "But you didn't see any blood as close as you got 
around the head or anything like that?"
	CW. "None"
	Then Congressman MICA, talking about when he [the confidential 
witness] went back out to his car after he [had] found the body. "Did 
you look at the cars when you came back?"
	CW. "As I walked down the hill, you are coming off and you are 
parked in the parking lot.  You go up on either side of the parking lot 
to a walking area that's elevated will above the parking, up to a sign 
with the description of the fort area and what it was all about and the 
history.  As you are walking back down, which I'm walking back down the 
hill to go back to my van, as you are coming down the hill, you can 
see right down into the car and the car was parked either second or third."
	Congressman MICA. "What kind of a car was it?"
	CW. "White Honda, and it was a cream-colored Japanese made car 
on the other end of the parking lot.  On the passenger seat of the 
white Honda was a folded jacket, very, very similar in color to the suit 
pants," worn by Mr. Foster.  "The FBI tells me I have got the wrong car, 
that was not his.  They said the brown one was his."
	Congressman ROHRABACHER. "Say that again."
	CW. "The FBI said that that was not his  car.  I thought sure 
that was his car because the jacket was so similar to the pants he had 
on."
	Congressman BURTON. "Yeah."
	CW. "On the passenger floor board was a four-pack wine cooler, 
two gone."
	(You remember the wine cooler bottle by his body, and there were 
two wine coolers gone out of the four-pack.)
	Congressman ROHRABACHER says, "This was in the car the FBI said 
did not belong [to Vince Foster]?"
	CW. "Did not belong.  And I asked them, how well did you check 
out those other two people that were still in the park when you got 
there?  Oh, there is no doubt, they were just two lovers up there?"
		<20:00>
	Then I said, "But you're saying, in this car you saw a jacket 
that matched the pants on the body?"
	He said, "Exactly."
	I said, "You said that you also saw a wine cooler pack on the 
floor?"
	The confidential witness said, "A four-pack wine cooler with 
two gone, the same color as it was -- it had a light, pink-like label."
	I said, "OK, but did it look like the bottle you saw beside 
the body?"
	He said, "Exactly like the bottle beside the body."  But that 
was not in the report.  The confidential witness said, "Strange thing, 
when I went back with the agents, one of the agents spent about 15 
minutes kicking around all of the leaves and everything looking for the 
wine cooler bottle," but that was nine months later, for crying out loud.
	"The palms were up, you say?"  This is, once again, talking to 
the confidential witness.
	He said, "Absolutely," about the 90th time.
	"How sure are you the palms were up?", Congressman MICA said.
	The confidential witness says, "As sure as I am standing right 
here, I am absolutely and totally, unequivocally, the palms were up.  
I looked at both palms.  There was nothing in his hands.  I didn't look 
at one and assume the other.  I looked at both of them."  This is the 
man that found the body.
	Congressman MICA. "How long did you spend over the body, 5 
seconds, 10 seconds?"
	He said, "Oh, no. 2 minutes."
	Congressman MICA. "Two or three minutes?"
	"Not - well, that is a tough one.  Because I wasn't panicked.  
I think I was fairly deliberate in studying."
	That is the end of the relevant information in the report.  
This is a sworn report by the only person to find the body.  He says 
the Fiske report is wrong, and yet nobody is paying any attention to it.
	Mr. Fiske, who is a friend of Bernie Nussbaum's, a close 
associate of President Clinton's, has worked with him on Wall Street, 
he is the special counsel.  Mr. Fiske has chosen not to pursue these 
very important questions.  It is just terrible.
	And yet we are supposed to walk away and not even talk about 
it.
	Now, they said there is no connection between Vince Foster's 
office and the Whitewater files that were taken out of his office.
	I am going to try to finish up this.  I want to go through this 
hurriedly, because there is a connection between Vince Foster's death 
and the Whitewater investigation that is not being pursued.
	First of all, he died under very mysterious circumstances.  His 
body was moved.  There is no question about it.  Yet nobody accepts 
that.
	At 6 pm on July 20, 1993, Vince Foster was found dead in Fort 
Marcy Park.  Shortly after 9pm, White House Chief of Staff Mack McLarty 
was informed of  his death.  McLarty ordered the Vince Foster office 
sealed.  However, the office remained unlocked overnight.  They did 
not seal it even though they were told by the chief of staff.  Despite 
this order, less than 3 hours after the body was found, White House 
officials removed records, business deals with President Clinton and 
his wife and the Whitewater Development Corp. from Foster's office 
without telling the Federal authorities about it.
	They were the people that went in there.  Bernie Nussbaum, 
the White House counsel, the President's special assistant, Patsy 
Thomasson, and Hillary Clinton's chief of staff, Margaret Williams.
	Bernie Nussbaum said they were in there 10 minutes, but the 
Park Police said they were in there over 2 hours.
	During this first search, Whitewater files and President's 
Clinton's tax returns were removed and turned over to David Kendall, 
President Clinton's attorney.  Why did they not give them to the people 
investigating his death?
	White House officials did not confirm the July 20 search of 
Foster's office until December.  They did not even tell anybody they 
were in there taking those files out until December?  Why?  This is an 
investigation of a man's death, for crying out loud.
	Then there was a second search 2 days later on July 22.  Mr. 
Nussbaum and White House officials searched Foster's office for a 
second time.  They got more documents.  Some were sent to President 
Clinton's attorney, and others were sent to Vince Foster's attorney, 
James Hamilton.
	During the second search, Mr. Nussbaum, citing executive 
privilege, kept Park Police and FBI agents from going through and 
watching them go through the files.  Dee Dee Meyers, the White House 
press secretary , said Bernie Nussbaum went through and sort of 
described contents of each of the files and what was in the drawers 
while representatives of the Justice Department, the Secret Service, 
the FBI, and other members of the counsel's office were present.
	According to other White House sources, however, FBI agents 
and Park Police were ordered to sit on chairs right in the hallway 
right at the entrance while White House staff went through the 
documents, and Mr. Nussbaum gave the FBI agents and Park Police 
no indication of what he was taking.  One FBI agent was reprimanded 
when he stood up and peered into the room to see what was going on.
	Park Police later discovered Whitewater records had been 
removed from Foster's office during the second search after 
they visited James Hamilton, Foster's lawyer, a week after the 
death, to review a personal diary that was also taken during one 
of the searches.
	Hamilton allowed the Park Police briefly to inspect Vince 
Foster's diary and other documents.  However, he did not allow them 
to make copies, citing privacy concerns.  He refused a request for 
access to the diary and documents from the Justice Department.
	Did Fiske review Vince Foster's diary?  His report says 
nothing about it.  Foster's diary might help to identify whom the 
blond hair on his clothes belonged to, maybe where he was that day, 
and maybe they could find out from the carpet samples.  This is 
important evidence.
	On July 27, 1993, the White House officials revealed [that] 
on July 26 they [had] found a note supposedly written by Vince Foster 
at the bottom of his briefcase in his office torn into 27 pieces with 
no fingerprints on it.  Now, you go home tonight and tear a piece of 
paper into 27 pieces and tell me there are no fingerprints on it.  It 
cannot be done.  It was not out in the sun.  Those fingerprints did 
not melt off of that.
	And yet they said -- they did not explain why there were no 
fingerprints on it.  They said they missed the note in their first 
two searches even though they had looked in the briefcase.  How can 
you miss all of that torn-up paper in the briefcase if you looked in 
there twice?  Maybe because it was not in there.  I do not know.
	Now, we have a million questions we want to ask about all of 
this.  I am not going to go into the questions now.  I think I have 
pretty well covered that.
	Now, I want to go to the Rose Law Firm down in Little Rock, AR.
	Jeremy Hedges, a part-time courier at the Rose Law Firm, told 
a grand jury he was told to shred documents from the files of Vince 
Foster after Special Prosecutor [sic: Special Counsel] Robert Fiske 
had announced he would look into Foster's death.  Fiske  was appointed 
January 20, 1994.
	Even before a subpoena is issued, the law prohibits people 
from intentionally impeding an investigation by destroying evidence 
they know investigators want, and yet even though after they had 
picked the special counsel, they were down there shredding these 
documents.
	In February after Fiske served subpoenas on the law firm's 
employees, Jeremy Hedges and the other couriers employed by the firm 
were called to a meeting with Ron Clark and Jerry Jones, two of the 
Rose Law Firm's partners.  Jones said to Hedges, he challenged his 
recollection that he had shredded documents belonging to Foster.  
He cautioned him about relating assumptions to investigators.
        "I said," Hedges recounted, "I shredded some documents of
Vince Foster's three weeks ago."
	And Jones, the partner, replied, "How do you know they were 
Foster's?  Don't assume something you don't know ," trying to lead him.
	Hedges said he was certain they were Foster's files.  Jones 
then said, "Don't assume they had anything to do with Whitewater."
	It is funny.  The box Hedges was told to shred and all of its 
folders were marked "VFW", Foster's initials.  None of the documents 
the saw related to the Whitewater Development, Hedges said, but how 
would he know when he was shredding as fast as he could?
	However, another Rose employee told the Washington Times that 
documents showing the Clintons' involvement in the Whitewater projects 
had also been ordered destroyed, and the shredding reportedly occurred 
February 3, 1994, at the Rose Law Firm.
	During the 1992 Presidential campaign, three current or former 
Rose employees said that the couriers from the Rose Law Firm were 
summoned to the Arkansas Governor's Mansion by Hillary Clinton, who 
personally handed over records to be shredded at the Rose Law Firm 
downtown.  The shredding began after the New York Times reported on 
March 8, 1992, the involvement of Governor Bill Clinton and Hillary 
Clinton in the Whitewater deal.
	Couriers made at least six other runs during the campaign.  
They were given sealed, unmarked envelopes with instructions that they 
were to be shredded at the firm.  The shredding continued through the 
November 3 general election.  Records belonging to Webster Hubbell, 
Vince Foster, and William H. Kennedy III were also shredded.
	A current employee said a conservative estimate would be that 
more than a dozen boxes of documents were ultimately destroyed.  A lot 
of people say, well, are you sure those were Whitewater documents?  Why 
would you think they were Whitewater documents?  There were at the 
Governor's Mansion.  Well, let us look into that.
	James McDougal and his wife, Susan, who are now divorced, have 
said they personally delivered all the Whitewater records to the 
Governor's Mansion in December 1987 at Mrs. Clinton's request, and she 
was the one giving the couriers the documents to go back over to the Rose
Law Firm to be shredded after the New York Times article in 1992 during 
the President's campaign.
	And then during the Presidential campaign, President 
[then-Governor] Clinton and his wife said that the records had 
disappeared.
	Now, where do you think they disappeared to?
	Today in the Washington Post, Margaret Williams, and 
remember Margaret Williams is Hillary Clinton's chief of staff, and 
I want you to listen to this:
	"A Whitewater file taken from the office of White House Deputy 
Vince Foster after his death last year was given to Hillary Rodham 
Clinton's chief of staff and, at the First Lady's direction, 
transferred to the White House residence before being turned over 
to the Clinton's personal lawyer, administration officials said 
yesterday.  It was unclear yesterday why then-White House Counsel 
Bernard Nussbaum gave the file to the First Lady's chief of staff, 
Margaret Williams, rather than transferring it directly to Robert 
Barnett, the Clintons' personal lawyer at the time."
	Why did they not give it to the police?  They were the ones 
investigating this case.
	"A White House official said Williams, after being asked by 
Nussbaum to take charge of the documents, checked with the First Lady 
in Little Rock, AR.  Hillary Clinton told Williams to check with 
another White House employee about a safe place in the residence to 
store the documents, the official said."
		<20:10>
	The files were moved from the west wing of the White House 
where Williams and Nussbaum worked, to a locked closet on the third 
floor of the White House residence, where other personal papers were 
kept.  Williams had a key to the closet, the official said.  Barnett 
picked up the documents five days later.
	Now, get the rest of this.  After Foster's death, officials 
said his personal papers were given to the Foster family lawyer and 
his official files were distributed among other lawyers in the 
counsel's office.
	In December the White House disclosed that a Whitewater file 
also had been found in Foster's office.  The revelation helped fuel 
the White House controversy and raised suspicion the White House was 
not providing a fair picture of the events.  I wonder why.
	 At that time the White House did not reveal Williams' 
involvement or the fact that the files were kept at the residence.  
They did not tell anybody that.  The statement at the time by 
communications director Mark Gearan said only that the files were 
sent to the Clintons' personal attorney.  White House sources said 
that the statement was drafted by Nussbaum and that he, Gearan, did 
not know of Williams' involvement at the time.  They did not even tell 
this guy they were giving the report out that Williams had taken the 
files up to Hillary's residence and locked them in her closet.
	Sources familiar with the handling of the file said Nussbaum 
called Williams two days after Foster's death to ask her to take 
charge of Clinton's personal papers.  Williams checked with Hillary 
Clinton, who agreed that the papers should be given to Barnett.  
Then they said that the President and the First Lady never looked at 
the papers before they gave them to the attorney.
	They took them upstairs, she was instructed to take them up 
there and lock them in their closet, and then they later gave them to 
their attorney, but they said they never looked at the papers.
	Well, the bottom line is the Fiske report is inaccurate; the 
Fiske report has glaring holes in it; the Fiske report, as it is 
presently constituted, is not worth the paper it is written on.
	I do not care about the credentials of the four forensic 
experts.  I am sure they were very competent men, but they based their 
findings on the coroner's report nine months earlier, and the coroner 
has been proven on two separate occasions to be incompetent as far as 
autopsies are concerned.
	There just is no question about the major question about the 
death of Vince Foster.  The man who found the body said the hands 
were moved.  He swears before God that the hands were moved in a 
court report.  He swears the head was moved.  There were no fingerprints 
on the gun.  There were no fingerprints on the suicide note.
	The counsel, Mr. Fiske, never checked the carpet samples from 
his office to see if those were the same ones on his clothes.  At least 
he did not say so in the report.  He did not check his house to see if 
the carpet samples were off his home.  Where did those carpet samples 
come from?  There is just a ton of questions that need to be answered.
	For any intelligent person to hear what I have said tonight and 
to read this report and to conclude that this is accurate, they just 
must have their eyes closed.  I just do not know how they can believe 
that.
	So, Mr. Speaker, as I conclude my remarks, let me say once again 
that this investigation should not be closed; it should be re-opened.  
We should bring the confidential witness -- keep his confidentiality -- 
we should bring the confidential witness in a confidential way so he 
can be protected before the people that are involved and let them see 
what I have seen.  In fact, if you do not bring him forth, take my 
report before anybody in the Congress, take my document here that is 
sworn before a court reporter and at least look at it.
	You know, there is a poem by Ceser Gilbert Horn, Mr. Speaker, 
which says in part, "Long rules the land and waiting justice sleeps."  
And I think that is the case with Vince Foster.
	He may have committed suicide; I do not know.  But I do know 
this: That body was moved.  The report is wrong.  And if the report is 
wrong, we need to ask Mr. Fiske why.

<Transcribed by Christopher Dunn, cxdunn@delphi.com>

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