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This topic is designed to inform users about the FALCON and discuss it CURRENT details and characteristics. 204 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 1 Thu May 13, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 08:19 EDT Billy, ST basic was revised shortly after it came out. The second version is quite good. Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 2 Thu May 13, 1993 DABRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 08:44 EDT The second version of ST Basic was less buggy, Al, but the interface was still silly. It was with great relief that I switched to GFA in 1987. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 3 Thu May 13, 1993 SAM-RAPP [<>] (Forwarded) Dear Atari: I would like to make a suggestion. How about making a package available from dealers that contains all the Falcon's included software for about $99.00 or so. Make it available only with the purchase of a Falcon without hard drive. I had planned on buying a 4/65 model, but there have been DRASTIC changes in the availability of 2.5" drives in the last couple of months: May Computer Shopper, page 452 Storage devices, Inc. 1-800-835-3023 Maxtor 25128a 128 Meg $289.00 25252a 225 Meg $369.00 It's easy to see why I am hesitant to pay Atari $400 for a 65 meg drive. Just a thought. -----------------------> Sam ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 4 Fri May 14, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 06:54 EDT I know, Dot. So I tried learning C. Oh well... Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 5 Fri May 14, 1993 B.STOREY [Billy B.] at 07:27 EDT Bob, I may have gotten one that was sitting on a shelf, but when I bought my STe, I got ST Basuc (I accidentally misspelled that, but I think it fits!). That was only 1 year ago. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 6 Sat May 15, 1993 SAM-RAPP [<>] at 00:38 EDT To anyone interested, I just started topic 4 over in cat 3: Programming the Falcon... If you want 800x600 True color then check it out! We need to find a DSP guru..... ---------------> Sam ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 7 Sat May 15, 1993 S.DANUSER [Soul Manager] at 01:25 EDT It's really too bad that ST Basic was such junk. The original Atari BASIC for the 8-bits was great. Why didn't Atari get Bill Wilkinson to write ST BASIC? Say, whatever happened to Bill, anyway? Didn't OSS get bought out or something? Soul Manager ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 8 Sat May 15, 1993 WAYNED. [Wayne] at 11:27 EDT ........And the windows in St Basic went CLUNK, CLUNK, CLUNK..... When I bought my first ST, I sat down and read through the ST Basic manual before booting the program and was impressed with all the new commands over my old 8 bit basic which I programmed quite a bit. The next day I was all eager to get started with this great new Basic. About 10 minutes later after watching the windows clunk, clunk, clunk I put St Basic away forever. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 9 Sat May 15, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 11:45 EDT Soul, Bill *did* write the latest official DOS for the 8-bit, but it was still no match for Sparta. I don't think Bill would have wanted to write ST Basic; he was an 8-bit genius but had no real interest in the ST. OSS was bought (or its assets were bought) by ICD a long while back. Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 10 Sun May 16, 1993 STEVE-J [Steve @ NLS] at 05:18 EDT S.DANUSER - Yes, ST BASIC was definitely junk! But what do you expect from the same guys who did AmigaDOS? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 11 Sun May 16, 1993 AFINKEL [andy] at 17:53 EDT Steve: Actually, I'd expect Helios :-) andy ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 12 Sun May 16, 1993 M.DEVER1 [mike.d] at 18:57 EDT Al, Don't have the full thread of your message, but if you really want to learn C get this book: Programming in Ansi C by Stephen G. Kochan. I used it with Lazer C and all programs ( but one ) ran from Lazer, then I switched to Lattice C. Works just as well. The thing with c is you've got to do lots of example programs to get the hang of it. Just do all the example programs in the book and you'll become a very good C programmer. Then get a good book on VDI/AES: Atari st: Vdi: compute's technical reference guide, if you can Find it. Mike Dever ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 13 Sun May 16, 1993 TOWNS [John] at 19:13 EDT Please, Steve.. don't start with the slamming of other Operating Systems. It's tiresome and boring and doesn't accomplish anything. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 14 Mon May 17, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 06:58 EDT I've been reading and appreciating The C Trilogy, from (I think) Tab Books. You can tell I'm awake by the fact that I forgot the author's name, but I'll look it up the next time I'm in my trunk, which is where I keep a lot of my ready-to-go books... Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 15 Mon May 17, 1993 TQUINN [Terry~Sysop] at 17:24 EDT The first 200 messages in this topic have been archived and are available in Library 13 as file # 28757 (FALCON18.ARC). This archive covers the period between March 29, 1993 and May 16, 1993. Terry Quinn ST RT Sysop and BBS Janitor ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 16 Tue May 18, 1993 BOB-BRODIE [Atari Corp.] at 16:48 EDT Al- Actually, Bill Wilkinson's company, OSS brought out Personal Pascal for the ST before they sold out to ICD. Bill was also a Basic fan on the ST, he liked Fast Basic. Never cared for GFA, he thought that it was an un-needed hybrid on the ST. He was interested in the ST, I think he was just tired of running his own business. He went to work for Dialog, programming for them. Back to the Falcon topic... regards, Bob Brodie ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 17 Wed May 19, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 03:26 EDT Bob, Thanks for the info on Bill W. One thing I loved about Bill's work was the way he wrote (in Compute!) -- always clear, always interesting. I've met a lot of people as a journalist, but I still remember my nervousness at finally meeting Bill Wilkinson, the hero of the 8-bit world, at (of all places) the Consumer Electronics Show in Chicago many years ago. An absolutely wonderful man. Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 18 Fri May 21, 1993 B.SUSLOVIC [Brad] at 23:55 EDT Bob Brodie, Any idea when different Falcon configurations will be available, specifically, 4meg/no hard drive? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 19 Sat May 22, 1993 E.WINDELL [GENE] at 14:57 EDT I understand the Falcon 030 has an RCA connector for NTSC composite video output, and also a separate connector for RF output. My question is, how good is the quality of the NTSC composite output. For example, is it better than the Practical Solutions Video Key? Is it noticeably less good than a JRI genlock? Is it equal to the standard NTSC output of the Amiga? Is there anybody who has access to a Falcon, and also a vectorscope/waveform monitor? Gene ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 20 Sat May 22, 1993 B.REHBOCK [BILL@ATARI] at 18:37 EDT The Falcon030 has composite video available on the 19-pin video connector. The RCA connector is channel 3 RF output. Pacific Software supply already has the appropriate adapter cable listed in their latest catalog, available to dealers. The output is very solid and stable; no comparison to the Video Key. -Bill@Atari ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 21 Mon May 24, 1993 S.SCHULZ2 [STEFFAN] at 00:46 EDT Bill, How will the Falcon compare to other platforms of similar pricerange for professional video? My hope is to use it for many different applications, similar to Macromind Director, the Toaster, edit decisioning, animation, rendering, etc. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 22 Mon May 24, 1993 AEO.7 [Gregg] at 19:33 EDT I've a question for someone, hopefully someone here . There was a visitor to the local Atari dealer last week with a problem. He's seriously into MIDI/Music and even wrote his own MIDI program with ForthMACs (VER 1.1). He MUST be able to use this program in his system. Currently he's running some old 1040 systems and wants to upgrade, the problem is that he can't get any more MegaSTe systems, doesn't really want 1040STe systems, and while he'd like Falcons his ForthMACs is NOT Falcon compatible. It would run just fine & recompile (in several resolutions) but the recompiled program WOULD NOT RUN on the Falcon no matter what we tried to do (different resolutions, ST-Hi compatible, etc). Does anyone know how this fellow can contact Bradly Forthware and or if there is a TT/Falcon compatible upgrade (or replacement) out there for him? I'd hate to see him drop the Atari for a different platform. Gregg PS: and yes, I did ask this over in the programming forum.. no response. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 23 Tue May 25, 1993 P.THOMAS6 at 00:22 EDT Greg, I've been using ForthMacs and Formula. I just recieved version 4.0 of Formula which may have some ForthMacs fixes to 1.1, but I'm not sure. You can try: Bradley Forthware PO Box 4444 Mountain View, CA 94040 Tel: (415)961-1302 Fax: (415)962-0927 I'll be trying out Formula on a Falcon tomorrow (Thanks Curt!). Pete Thomas ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 24 Tue May 25, 1993 JWC-OEO [Jon] at 00:41 EDT The source of this is a salesman at the local (marginal) Atari store so I'm not sure if this fits better as a rumor or a fact. Probably the former... Anyway, I went in today and asked how the Falcons were coming. He said that the store he worked in will only be selling Falcons on a special order basis (too much frustration from dealing with Atari to stock them according to him) but that Atari told them they have Falcons in stock and so I could get one in a few days if I wanted one. I said I did but I'm more than a little skeptical that he knew what he was talking about and indeed that I'll ever get one from this place. Maybe I'll get a dealer demo, which at this point would be OK with me. Jon ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 25 Tue May 25, 1993 BOB-BRODIE [Atari Corp.] at 20:24 EDT Al, I agree with your sentiments about Bill Wilkinson. Back when I was a user group president working on the Glendale Show with John Tarpinian, I counted getting to rub elbows with Bill Wilkinson as a major perk for my duties at the show. His articles about user groups that he wrote in COMPUTE! literally changed my life! I never would have sought out a user group without his encouragement from the pages of his column. Brad- The no HD configurations are slated to arrive late in June, figure an early July delivery. The 4 Meg no HD unit is MSRP $999 Steffan- You might want to address your question about specific applications (like the Toaster) to Lee Seilor of Lexicor. They are currently working on a product that is affectionately called "The Toaster Roaster" :) Bottom line, the Falcon's video is very capable, and will compare well to just about any other platform. Especially if the developers use the DSP Chip! Jon, Care to drop me a note in email about the store in question? I'd be happy to try to do some damage control with them. regards, Bob Brodie ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 26 Tue May 25, 1993 JOHN.KING.T [JOHN KING T] at 22:08 EDT Bob, Yes, your mention of Bill Wilkinson does bring back fond memories of the good ole days. JKT ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 27 Thu May 27, 1993 STEVE-J [Steve @ NLS] at 01:40 EDT BOB-BRODIE - Will the first no HD units be 4MB units or both 1MB and 4MB units? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 28 Thu May 27, 1993 BOB-BRODIE [Atari Corp.] at 21:09 EDT Both 1 Mb and 4 Mb units will be in the shipment of no hd units. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 29 Fri May 28, 1993 AEO.7 [Gregg] at 00:18 EDT Pete; thanks for the info on Bradly ForthWare. I'll try and pass the address and phone # on to the fellow with the urgent need for an update. Who knows, maybe the newest version is 030-compatible... well, we can dream can't we? Gregg ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 30 Fri May 28, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 01:14 EDT O.K., I've got my Falcon and it had a wonderful surprise included. That's the good news. The bad news is that I can't get my PLI Floptical to work with it. I've got is set as SCSI ID 0 per instructions. It is initially recognized at boot up, but when I try to click on the desktop icon I've installed for it, it just fizzles out and no window will open for it. Sometimes I get a message that "Device is not receiving" or something like that. Do I need to reformat it with AHDI? That will kill all the info on my disk! I'd install the ICD Driver I've been using, but that seems to require an ICD HOST ADAPTER. Help! I've tried "install device" and "install icon" but nothing seems to work. My other problem is that Aladdin boots up fine but won't dial! I'm typing this message with Interlink which works fine. Does the present version of Aladdin work with the Falcon?? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 31 Fri May 28, 1993 P.THOMAS6 at 01:18 EDT Greg, I tried running both ForthMacs and Formula on Curt's Falcon this week and ForthMacs seemed to behave but there was a memory allocation problem with Formula. It seems like a fixable bug, but I don't think Mitch is too interested in the Falcon at this time. I wish my understanding of Forth was a little more advanced, but I'm only a musician (for the moment). Let me know if you find out anything. Pete Thomas ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 32 Fri May 28, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 03:36 EDT Bob, and the big question that has been asked. Will the no HD versions have th bundled software on disks? I personnaly dont' see the big deal about the hard drive, I've looked around and I can't get a 65 meg hard drive for that price in Montreal so it's fine with me. If you dont' bundle the software than the byers loose out. I think the Bundle is worth over two hundred dollars if we add up item by item. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 33 Fri May 28, 1993 B.AEIN [B Man] at 04:29 EDT Bob B, I am wondering about those no HD F030's, Will we be able to by the software bundle that comes with the HDed F030's? I guess the real question is, are we going to get a specail price on the software or are we going to have to pay retail with no specail for non-HD buyers? If there is a bundle, what do you think it will cost? Thanks Bman ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 34 Fri May 28, 1993 ICDINC at 09:07 EDT David, WE offer a package calle ICD SCSI Pro Utilities. This includes Falcon compatible ICD software that will support your Floptical drive. THe cost is $49.95 retail. Call 815-968-2228 to order. - TOM - ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 35 Fri May 28, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 09:09 EDT David, ICD and Atari's AHD use slightly different schemes for recognizing the sectors on a HD (and a Floptical is just another HD). ICD sells a Pro version that works without a host adaptor; I know of one Falcon user who switched from AHD to ICD Pro and is very happy. Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 36 Fri May 28, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 09:59 EDT Thanks guys. Atari Benelux has E-mailed me a Beta copy of their latest Falcon driver which is supposed to work with the Floptical. THANK YOU ATARI, (How's that for service?). By the way, as I revealed in another topic, my "Falcon 4/65" and all the others in the first batch received by Mid-Cities Computers, was really a FALCON 4/80! With a Conner 84meg HD! I don't know if this was a fluke, but the box also said 4/80. Of course there was no added cost for the extra megs. THANK YOU ATARI! Now for the bad news. Atari Works was missing! :-( Well I'm sure I'll get it soon. I was expecting S.A.M. and D2D to be missing but not Atari Works! What gives? Also I seem to remember something called Audio Fun Machine was supposed to be included but that is also missing. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 37 Fri May 28, 1993 JOHN.KING.T [JOHN KING T] at 21:51 EDT Fairweather, ICD has the software you need to get that Floptical to work with your FALCON030. It is the Professional version. I know that The Computer Network has/had it in stock. JKT ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 38 Fri May 28, 1993 C.FLUEGEL [Curt] at 21:52 EDT heh, no I feel gipped with my filled up 65 meg.. glad to see so manyy Falcons popping up. We havent gotten ours, but the other dealer in Minnesota did... Curt ** stocks are up to $1.75!! ** ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 39 Fri May 28, 1993 AEO.7 [Gregg] at 21:55 EDT Pete; Yes, that was exactly the problem the customer (also a music type) was having! I'm trying to pass on to him the phone # of the outfit and let him take it from there. I know less about forth than Clinton knows about the military... Thanks again for your help, I owe you one. Gregg ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 40 Fri May 28, 1993 B.DEWITT [Nerd Perfect] at 22:47 EDT Bob Brodie; I got my Falcon at J&J Computers yesterday (Thursday) and have been playing around with it. It certainly seems to have a lot of potential, and it's been fun organizing the desktop window colors; Atari is to be congratulated on producing a fine machine with advanced capabilities; however, I do have a few questions and comments: 1. Finding cables and connectors for the Falcon ports is a bit of a pain: no- one around here (Orem, Utah) seems to carry SCSI II cables, so I can't connect my external hard drive as of yet (until I get one made). Wouldn't it be helpful to include such things as cables, connectors, etc. with the computer (especially if the Falcon is aimed at the general, usually non-computer- literate public, like my Mom?) For instance, when I bought my NEC UltraLite, it had every cable you'd ever want included in the package. 2. Not as much of my graphics software as I had hoped runs on Falcon (mostly Lexicor stuff). 3. When: Will a manual for Atari Works be available? Will D2D and SAM (and their manuals) be available? Will manuals on MultiTOS and SpeedoGDOS be available (other than photocopies, that is--which seems a bit tacky for a super-duper machine like the Falcon)? 4. How does one obtain the above when they do become available? 5. The owner's manual mentions a Chip Select feature in the General Setup CPX that allows the user to select Blitter and/or Cache options. Maybe it's there, but I can't see it. Am I missing something? (Does the Falcon use a Blitter?) 6. While Landmines is quite entertaining, I personally don't think the Breakout game does much to demonstrate the potential of the machine, or is even much fun (plus, its too dang LOUD--and it keeps resetting the volume to ULTRAHIGH even if the Sound CPX is used to lower the volume). I wish something more thrilling, like maybe a Falcon version of Joust, had been included....;-) Anyway, it's good to have the little beastie sitting on my desktop at last. It's nice to have the colors and resolutions and the additional speed. I hope all goes well and lots of these critters settle in people's homes. Bob ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 41 Fri May 28, 1993 P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 23:09 EDT Bob: I've been told by Bob that the materials not included with your machine will be sent to you ASAP. I would assume this would be true only if you send in your warranty card with a request for such materials. (by the second Bob, I mean Bob Brodie ) Sean Dougherty Two Worlds Publishing ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 42 Sat May 29, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 01:50 EDT John King T., I have received conflicting information about the ICD Pro Software. I called ICD today and spoke to someone who said the only version that will support both the Falcon and Flopticals is Version 6.1.2. So I called Mid-Cities to order that version and they told me they would order it. Then they called me back and said they had spoken with ICD and that particular version is still in beta testing and is not for sale. I was also very peeved when ICD told me that despite the fact that I had very recently purchased The LINK with its accompanying ICD software, that there was NO UPGRADE PATH to the ICD Pro software and I would have to pay full price again! Meanwhile Atari Benelux was nice enough to send me a beta version of AHDI 6.05c which does indeed support the Insite Floptical. . . . with one nasty catch. It won't read ICD formatted Floptical disks! So I've still presently got NO WAY to read all those files I backed up onto Flopitcals off of my Megafile before I sold it and my STe! And then to top it all off, I can't get Aladdin to dial from my Falcon. Luckily I still have my STacy to use for that. Other than that its been a good day. :-) ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 43 Sat May 29, 1993 C.ROUNTREE2 [RoadKill] at 04:33 EDT Nerd: See if you can't find a NeXT style SCSI II cable. That should do it. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 44 Sat May 29, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 10:50 EDT Bob, Any store that handles Sun computer supplies will have a SCSI II cable. Look in the Yellow Pages; they are all over the country, and don't deal that often with the public. Al David, ICD's Floptical scheme lets you choose between Atari and ICD-type formatting, the last I checked. Atari and ICD use slightly different methods of formatting a hard drive (and a Floptical is a hard drive to any Atari system), and that means that ICD-formatted Flopticals can't be read using HDX, and (as far as I know) vice-versa. There's never been an upgrade path from Link to Pro. ICD is one of the stalwarts in the Atari field, and those guys need to make money somehow. Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 45 Sat May 29, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 14:09 EDT Al, I may be able to borrow back my old STe and Megafile 20 to attempt to get my ICD formatted flopticals into a format I can read. Using the Link/ICD software can you suggest a way to do this? I also have Diamond Back. I'd prefer not to have to reformat the Megafile 20 into one big partition, the present owner may not let me do that anyway. Is the only other way to Backup the flopticals onto ordinary floppies? Yuchh. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 46 Sat May 29, 1993 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 14:25 EDT David: I suppose you could connect the two computers together with a null modem cable and ZMODEM the files onto the F030. It would be faster than floppies, and you could do it unattended (like while you're sleeping). Going the "floppy" route means you're going to have to be there for as long as it takes swapping disks. Not to meantion the wear and tear on the floppies and drives running that much. ________________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 47 Sat May 29, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 23:20 EDT Good idea T-Bird, if I can scrounge up a null cable I'll be set. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 48 Sun May 30, 1993 B.AEIN [B Man] at 01:21 EDT David, Can you run RATEHD.prg on that Falcon 84meg drive and post the result? Thanks Bman ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 49 Sun May 30, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 10:14 EDT T, Good idea. A null-modem connection would make it simple. Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 50 Sun May 30, 1993 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 14:59 EDT No problem... If you've already got a modem cable for the Falcon030, all you may need is a "gender bender" on the STE side. Radio Shack probably has them. Happy to be of service! ______________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 51 Sun May 30, 1993 AEO.7 [Gregg] at 18:11 EDT I've tried to run 'Rate Hard Drive' on the Falcon.... crashed on my test Falcon. Sorry about that. Yes, the Falcon DOES have a blitter chip. In fact it's a vital and major part of the system. As I understand it the original software 'Blitt' code has been removed from the Falcon's TOS and replaced by the Blitter chip which is active at ALL TIBy the way, this works out as a major advantage... the Falcon's hardware blitter is MUCH faster than the old 'software' blit on the ST and even the TT. Gregg ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 52 Sun May 30, 1993 AEO.5 [Ed Krimen] at 20:36 EDT Nerd Perfect, SCSI-II cables can be found from a variety of mail order outlets for around $40. Check out Computer Shopper. David, I have ICD Pro with 6.0.6 drivers and it works with my TT and floptical fine. Could it be a Falcon thing? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 53 Mon May 31, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 01:51 EDT Yes its a Falcon thing Ed. I'm told that only Version 6.1.2 will work with the Falcon and Floptical both. And its not out yet I'm told. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 54 Mon May 31, 1993 S.WINICK at 03:59 EDT Bob (DEWITT), We have the SCSI-2 cables in stock. Drop me E-mail if you need a price or to place an order if you can't find one locally. Sheldon (Computer STudio - Asheville, Nc) ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 55 Mon May 31, 1993 BOB-BRODIE [Atari Corp.] at 15:51 EDT Bob, We will have the proper manual etc available in about a month at the latest. We'll send them out to the dealers as we get them in. Re the games, I know what you mean...BreakOut didn't thrill me either, as an experienced computer users. Tell that to the wife and kids that are hangin' on to it with all they've got! There will be other games that will show off the Falcon much better, but we're leavining those to the developers, like Space Junk and LlamaZap. The SCSI-II cables ARE available to your dealer now, just not via Atari (yet). Pacific Software Supply is carrying them, I'm sure your dealer knows who they are...ask him to order them for you. David, I'm sorry you're having these problems. With this many headaches, it's my suggestion that you back up to floppies REGARDLESS of what else you do. Murphy's Law is ALWAYS LURKING! Is it a full moon????? regards, Bob Brodie ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 56 Tue Jun 01, 1993 B.REHBOCK [BILL@ATARI] at 00:05 EDT Steffan, the Falcon's video output is as good as many $2000 JVC and Sony video titlers/sketch pads that I've seen. Cogswell College is doing some production work right now with a pair of Falcons at this time; I'll touch base with James Grunke and see if he can give us a report on how they're doing in a professional environment. -Bill ============= Falcon030 Bundled Software Bulletin =============== Falcon030's with Hard Drives are currently shipping with the following software: o MultiTOS o SpeedoGDOS o Landmines o Breakout o Calappt (Personal Time Manager, Telephone Book/Dialer) o ProCalc o Talking Clock They are supposed to have (many didn't because everyone was eager to get machines shipped to dealers quickly) a mail-in card that you mail to Atari to receive: o Atari Works (Personal Integrated Productivity Package) o System Audio Manager (Accompany System Keyclicks and Events with Digitized Sounds.) o Audio Fun Machine (8-band graphic equalizer and special effects processor.) o FalconD2D (Direct-to-Disk recording system with special effects and editing.) IMPORTANT: We know exactly which dealers received machines without the mail-in cards and they are being sent their cards this week. Users that purchased machines and did not receive these cards can contact the dealer in about one week to get their card. All you have to do is fill out the card (make sure you include your dealer's name and machine's serial number); keep the verification half, and mail the other half to Atari. Machines without Hard Drives will not be shipped with SpeedoGDOS, Atari Works, or FalconD2D. They will have everything else (including the hard disk utilities in case you have your own SCSI Hard Disk). The Atari Hard Disk upgrade kits will ship with Atari Works, SpeedoGDOS, FalconD2D, as well as MultiTOS, etc. on the Hard Disk. -Bill Rehbock, Atari Corp. ======================================================================= ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 57 Tue Jun 01, 1993 L.TRAPANI [Lou][Machine] at 00:12 EDT BOB, I thought that Jeff Minter's LlamaZap was originally going to be bundled with the Falcon030. Perhaps I was wrong or the plan changed along the way. --Lou T.-- Written: Monday, May 31, 1993 10:46 p.m. EDT ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 58 Tue Jun 01, 1993 M.JONES52 [Jonesy] at 01:04 EDT some loose info from off the floor... (short on shelves, don'cha know?) From Processor: cables, SCSI 2, all types, $42 SBF Computer 914-664-3930 From JDR Microdevices: 50-pin male/female SCSI, 6ft., $19.95 50-pin high density SCSI II to Centronics, $29.95 lotsa cables, connectors, etc. From Sun World: cables, connectors, terminators CS Electronics Tustin, CA 92680 714-259-9100 From Black Box Catalog: (example given - too numerous to list) SCSI 2 50-pin male/female high density, 3m. fully shielded, $83.95 cable type: NEC CL2, PVC jacket conductor: 24 AWG (7x36) tinned copper shielding: 36 AWG braided, tinned copper 412-746-5500 24hr. order, tech support ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 59 Tue Jun 01, 1993 B.AEIN [B Man] at 21:01 EDT Bob, I spoke to Washington Music Center (Chuck Levins) in wheaton MD, they said they recived their Demo F030 but it came without the monitior adaptors and maybe other things. Please make an effort to contact them and get them what they need to start demoing the F030. Can you elaberate on what HD upgrades will be available, price-size-IDE/SCII? Thanks Bman ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 60 Tue Jun 01, 1993 B.DEWITT [Nerd Perfect] at 21:33 EDT Help! Will somebody get Alladin to work with the Falcon! As someone else has already mentioned, everything seems to work fine except it won't dial. Is there a fix? I'm getting tired of switching to my Mega whenever I want to log on to GEnie (and I'm too stoopid to use an ordinary telecommunications program like STeno with GEnie...duh...). By the way, one of the features I really like about the Falcon is the Talking Clock, of all things....I especially like the female voice, although she invariably startles me every time she announces the time. It's also fun to be able to have "Voice" notes attached to an AtariWorks word processor document (although the note has to be created in some other package, like MUSiCOM. It would be nice to be able to create the note directly from within the word processor the way the NeXT computer does it). Bob ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 61 Tue Jun 01, 1993 C.LABELLE [Tintin] at 21:45 EDT Bill Rehbock, I am confused by your post. First you say Atari Works is NOT shipping, then you end your post by saying it will ship on the hard disk. Will AW be on the HD of a 4/80 or not??? Tintin ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 62 Tue Jun 01, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 22:54 EDT I'm not sure why but Gordon, the sysop over in the ST-Aladdin RT suggested that Darlah the sysop over here needs to be involved in getting a Falcon- Aladdin project coordinated. How do I send her E-Mail? Is her address simply DARLAH? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 63 Tue Jun 01, 1993 C.OATES2 [Chris] at 23:05 EDT Bill, Are Calappt and ProCalc available in forms other than bundled with the Falcon? I'd like to use them on my MegaSTE now... ~Chris ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 64 Tue Jun 01, 1993 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 23:51 EDT Someone give me a Falcon030, and _I_ will write 'FALaddin' for it!!!!! ___________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 65 Wed Jun 02, 1993 DABRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 00:44 EDT David, yes, DARLAH will do...But she'll likely see your message here, too. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 66 Wed Jun 02, 1993 HUTCH [FAIR-DINKUM] at 01:00 EDT David -- On GEnie, there is one and only one DARLAH. :) She is somewhat removed from the development of a Falcon version of Aladdin, however, that being in the realm of Tim Purves, its author. As I understand it, Aladdin 2.0 is nearing completion so stay tuned. Heck, I can't get my OLD Aladdin scripts to work anymore. Since when does 'C' (the old Command mode command) kick you into a setup menu? Ah, these menu changes do keep my life interesting though. ;-) -Hutch- @ Fair Dinkum Tech ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 67 Wed Jun 02, 1993 T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.] at 03:19 EDT Nerd, if you had been reading the Aladdin Roundtable you would know that the Falcon has different hardware for the RS232 port than other Atari computers. That there is a problem is known, if Tim had access to a Falcon he might be able to create a Falcon version of Aladdin. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 68 Wed Jun 02, 1993 B.STOREY [Billy B.] (Forwarded) I have a (perhaps dumb) question. Does the Falcon also have a floppy drive in it? If so, is it HD? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 69 Wed Jun 02, 1993 DABRUMLEVE [kidprgs] (Forwarded) Bill Storey, yes, there's a built-in floppy and, yes, it's HD. ;-) ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 70 Wed Jun 02, 1993 REALM [Joey] (Forwarded) Bill, the Falcon has the 1.44 Meg drive in a square hole. It no longer has the slanted cut slot so any standard drive should fit. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 71 Wed Jun 02, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 18:38 EDT Bob, Couldn't the voice annotation be done via a DA? Or a multitasking app? Chris, If the Falcon ProCalc is the same as the ProCalc I've been using, it's available, and has been for some time. If it's not in the library I'll send it up. Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 72 Wed Jun 02, 1993 MIKE-ALLEN [NM~SysOp] at 21:31 EDT T-Bird, >Someone give me a Falcon030, and _I_ will write 'FALaddin' for it!!!!! Would it have automatic 'tag lines?' >] at 00:24 EDT Why don't you just make an Aladdin script that manually dials before doing an autopass? remember? ATDT and stuff? Should hold you over until a fix is found. I have to do it on my 1040st TOS 1.0. I don't know why.... -----------> Sam ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 75 Thu Jun 03, 1993 C.FLUEGEL [Curt] at 00:34 EDT yes, the talking clock can run as an ACC... Curt ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 76 Thu Jun 03, 1993 S.SCHULZ2 [STEFFAN] at 02:31 EDT Bill@Atari, Thanks for the info about F030 video. I'm excited that Cogswell has a pair. I'd like to visit them if they're willing. It would be nice to see some media-experts put the F030 to the production test. Please keep me up to date on the vid-specs. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 77 Thu Jun 03, 1993 BOB-BRODIE [Atari Corp.] at 17:12 EDT Nerd Perfect, The voice of the Talking Clock is one of our employees, Barbara Benson. She is charming, and I count being able to work with her as one of my benefits at Atari. :) Mark, Thanks for the cable info! Bman, Darn, how did that happen? They must have forgotten to order the adapters, or the rep assumed that they were gonna use a TV to output. I'll get to 'em. Re the drive upgrades, the exact configurations have not been decided on. Tintin, What Bill is telling you is that Works was *supposed to be* on the units, but some went out the door without it. And he indicated how people that purchased machines that did not have Works installed on it can obtain Works. Please read the message again carefully. T-Bird, If we *sell* you a Falcon030 will you still do a FalcAladdin????? We're not in a giving mode right now. :) Al, S.A.M. will run as a D.A., so yes...the voice annotation can be done that way. We don't include a microphone with the Falcon030, so another run to the store of your choice (Radio Shack mikes work fine, but I like Audix) is in order. T-Bird Tell me more about the squelch user mode you'd build in to this program. I'm beginning to feel a little bit charitable after all. How many names can I have in the squelch file? regards, Bob Brodie ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 78 Thu Jun 03, 1993 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 18:56 EDT Bob Brodie: I would be interested in buying/borrowing/getting a Falcon030 from you guys and writing software for it. I'm not sure if you were joking around about feeling charitable. I live in upstate N.Y., and don't even have a dealer demo nearby, so I can't even see one. Contact me via GEmail @ D.ENGEL with what you have in mind. __________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 79 Thu Jun 03, 1993 O-ZONE [Flakes] at 18:59 EDT Would someone please go over the rules regarding purchase of a Falcon? I usually buy everything from catalogues but I have been reading stories about having to buy from a local dealer. I live in the Boston area and don't know of any "local" dealers so please fill me in. Thanks. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 80 Thu Jun 03, 1993 DITEK [David] at 19:53 EDT Thunderbird -- I hope Atari lets you have a shot at writing the next Aladdin or at least a clone. The thought of your doing customer support for the people online here.... :-) ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 81 Thu Jun 03, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 21:25 EDT Sam, manual dial doesn't work either on Aladdin and the Falcon. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 82 Thu Jun 03, 1993 B.SUSLOVIC [Brad] at 23:39 EDT Flakes, "Kurlan Music", Worchester, Mass. (508)-853-6417 "Syntronics", Boston, Mass. (617)-266-5039 Syntronics doesn't know if they'll be stocking them yet. Kurlan Music has some on the way, due any time. They have a demo, I think its probably the only Falcon in all of New England. I haven't been to see it, I'm about 3 hours north, but will make the trip to pick one up when they finally land. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 83 Thu Jun 03, 1993 M.DRYSDALE [Drys] at 23:44 EDT RE: Falcon & Aladdin Since Tim Purves is local to us, we would be willing to arrange time for him on our demo Falcon. Call us Tim, 228-5404 Mike, GenTech and POWER Computers ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 84 Thu Jun 03, 1993 C.FLUEGEL [Curt] at 23:57 EDT argg... the TOS bug is true. Those with dealer demo units (TOS 4.2 I believe) If you fill up a partition it will overwrite the FAT directory in the next partition and destroy it!! I just killed drive F. I was told this was fixed in the 4/80 versions, can someone please verify that this is true? Curt p.s. I found another great employee at Atari, Candy I believe, she works in the games division but was able to help locate my Falcon order.. give her a raise please....................... ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 85 Fri Jun 04, 1993 STEVE-J [Steve @ NLS] at 01:52 EDT Is TOS 4.04 the latest Falcon TOS (i.e. last revision...for a while, anyway)? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 87 Fri Jun 04, 1993 ATARI.BENLUX [W. Kilwinger] at 07:04 EDT Steve > >Is TOS 4.04 the latest Falcon TOS (i.e. last revision...for a while, anyway)? >---------- > The latest version of TOS I've seen in the production Falcon030's is TOS 4.02. TOS 4.04 went out as a softloaded version to some developers for beta testing and I don't think Atari will put that in ROM. So currently TOS 4.02 is probable the latest released Falcon030 TOS. Regards, Wilfred ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 88 Fri Jun 04, 1993 D.JOHNSON143 [Eric Blair] at 09:34 EDT Wilfred, I'll have to check mine today--it's up at the studio, but I could swear it had TOS 4.04 in ROM when I checked it Wednesday night. Eric ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 89 Fri Jun 04, 1993 J.NESS [Jim] at 17:16 EDT Mike Fulton has said that TOS 4.04 was to be in the batch of consumer machines that recently began to appear. He also said that Atari knew of a couple of minor visual bugs in 4.04, but nothing as major as the hard drive bug. -JN ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 90 Fri Jun 04, 1993 D.SHORR at 19:52 EDT Flakes, The Computer Zone in North Attleboro(508-699-0430) is my "local" dealer; there is currently a demo Falcon030 4/65 on display in the store and orders are being taken for consumer units. CZ will also be attending the CT Fest next week. Dave ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 91 Fri Jun 04, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 23:51 EDT How do I check what version of TOS I have? I tried the desk menu item but it doesn't seem to say. And what is the latest (current) version of Multitos? - ===-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I missed tonights Dateline Atari. Was anything said about the Falcon/Aladdin problem? Tim is in quite a sour mood over in the ST Aladdin RT. He says that Darlah could get him a Falcon but won't, and that Atari has not answered the questions he needs answered to make Aladdin work with the Falcon. Can someone please help mend this sorry situation? Bill Rehbock, can you initiate some communication with Tim so he can get his technical questions answered? He says he will not make any more requests because he's been trying for two years already. I'm not taking anyone's side here or pointing any fingers of blame. I just want my Falcon/Aladdin! As Rod Steiger said in Hud, "What we have here is a failure to communicate." ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 92 Fri Jun 04, 1993 ERIC.SMITH [Eric Smith] at 23:53 EDT Steve: Yes, TOS 4.04 is the latest Falcon TOS, and will be the last revision for a while. It should be showing up in consumer units soon, if it isn't already; the first machines shipped with TOS 4.02, but the factory should have TOS 4.04 by now. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 93 Sat Jun 05, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 01:40 EDT How can I tell which TOS I have? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 94 Sat Jun 05, 1993 D.SHORR at 01:47 EDT David, You can check your TOS version by selecting Status in the General Setup CPX. QuickIndex 2.2 reported that TOS 0.2 was in my dealer's demo Falcon030(it was really 4.02:)). Dave ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 95 Sat Jun 05, 1993 J.MORRISON38 [~ Jimmo ~] at 05:26 EDT Hey... I doubt it, but... Can a FLOPTICAL (currently 21 meg, soon to be 40/80???) be installed as drive A on a Falcon? This can be done on some PeeCee's, and would be very handy if possible on a Falcon! ~ Jimmo ~ ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 96 Sat Jun 05, 1993 T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.] at 07:39 EDT David to check which version of TOS you have, go to XCONTROL, load the General Setup CPX and go up to Status. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 97 Sat Jun 05, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 12:15 EDT Thank you Mr. Shorr. I have TOS 4.04 dated 3/8/93. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 98 Sat Jun 05, 1993 G.NORTON [Falcon Systm] at 12:41 EDT ICD Pro does indeed have a problem with the Falcon...ICD is aware of that and will have a patch very shortly. Or at least that is what they said. Right now the ICD software doesn't recognize IDE drives only SCSI, hence is why it didn't like the ST Book either. Graham @ Falcon Systems ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 99 Sat Jun 05, 1993 PMC.INC at 13:18 EDT Jim, nope. The Floptical is a SCSI device. It's done on the PC's because they have a different OS. They install drivers, etc. on it to work around it on their system. The Floptical is distinctly SCSI and ST drives are not. It's about that simple. I won't say it's impossible, but let's just say that it probably won't happen. oscar @ pmc ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 100 Sat Jun 05, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 19:50 EDT What sort of cable do you need to plug a standard sterio line out into the Falcon? I remember somebody mentioning you just need a resister or something in the cable but I can't seem to find the message. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 101 Sat Jun 05, 1993 D.SHORR at 19:51 EDT I ran a cookie jar display program on my dealer's Falcon030 today and noted the presence of a _FPU cookie in the list. Does this mean that a math coprocessor was installed in this demo unit? I thought the FPU was an optional component; or has Atari quietly installed an 80meg mechanism AND an FPU in all Falcons? Dave ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 102 Sat Jun 05, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 22:40 EDT David, Tim's been in a sour mood over things Atari for a long time. Jimmo, I don't think the Floptical can be drive A. But I hope I am wrong, because it will change my view of how I can put together a compact ST orTT to take to and from the office. With three of them here, I can afford to make one of them the traveling computer -- if I can stick some serious disk storage into it. (Otherwise, I'm very impressed with the Flopticals.) Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 103 Sat Jun 05, 1993 MIKE-ALLEN [NM~SysOp] at 22:53 EDT Dave, The _FPU cookie should be installed on all versions of TOS from 2.0x up. (Don't know about 1.6x). Its contents will tell if a FPU is installed. If the contents are $00000000 then there is no FPU installed. If you get as chance, run SYSINFO (available here in the libs) on a Falcon. It will show the cookies, their contents and how to interpret some of them. (Shows a bunch of other stuff, too. Very informative program) Mike Allen ST HelpDesk~SysOp ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 104 Sat Jun 05, 1993 STEVE-J [Steve @ NLS] at 23:56 EDT ERIC.SMITH - Does 4.04 have the HD problem or was that 4.02? I've heard of two Falcon TOS bugs, the partition FAT overwrite bug and (yet another) serial port bug. Are both of those FIXED in 4.04? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 106 Sun Jun 06, 1993 P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 00:52 EDT To anyone wondering about the RF output on the Falcon: The output is quite nice, in fact it was much better then I would expect to get out of it. The interlace modes don't jitter as much, and on top of that they are actually readable. Very stable, very clean, and more or less acceptable for graphics uses in the home. Still, I prefer VGA over the SC/TV modes (even though you can't run most of the demos). The lack of a 80 column true color mode is for the most part a minor smuge on an otherwise very impressive output. Sean Dougherty Two Worlds Publishing ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 107 Sun Jun 06, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 00:58 EDT Is there a way to bypass the "Memory Test" upon bootup? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 108 Sun Jun 06, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 03:24 EDT Mike, SYSINFO is excellent -- as is, oddly enough, REDFORM (a floppy formatter). One of REDFORM's submenus displays oodles of system info. Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 109 Sun Jun 06, 1993 T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.] at 07:17 EDT Dave, on my 1040 STf with TOS 2.06 the Cookie Jar CPX shows the FPU cookie but with all zeros. If I remember correctly, there sould be a one at the end of the string of zeros to indicate that the 68881 is installed (possibley a 2 with the 68882). ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 110 Sun Jun 06, 1993 T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.] at 07:40 EDT >Is there a way to bypass the "Memory Test" upon bootup? Press a key once the hard drive is up to speed or whenever you are ready to go to the rest of the bootup. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 111 Sun Jun 06, 1993 J.NESS [Jim] at 11:49 EDT In a Q/A on another network, Atari has said that there is a patch program for use with all Falcons, regardless of version number, which includes a fix for the serial port problems. They did not specifically say that the patch is shipping with the current batch of Falcons, but hopefully it is. -JN ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 112 Sun Jun 06, 1993 JOHN.KING.T [JOHN KING T] at 12:17 EDT David, To "bypass" Memory Test upon bootup just tap the space bar. JKT ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 113 Sun Jun 06, 1993 B.SUSLOVIC [Brad] at 17:14 EDT Has anyone with a Falcon had problems with AHDI booting SCSI drives? I have, whats up? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 114 Sun Jun 06, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 18:11 EDT Brad, a new version of AHDI is in Beta testing. Send E-Mail to ATARI.BENLUX and you may be able to get a copy. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 115 Sun Jun 06, 1993 C.LABELLE [Tintin] at 21:39 EDT To resume the keys you press at boot-up: to cancel the memory test. to supress MultiTOS. to boot from drive A:. Any other? ================================= I just purchased my Falcon, it's GREAT! It has compatibility problems, though. While GEM programs work fine, games like my favorite Vroom and Lemmings don't. I am looking at the Backwards translator, to see if there is a work-around. In any case, Lankhor said it's coming up with a Falcon-specific version of Vroom! We need a Falcon-compatible version of Aladdin, quick! Tintin ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 116 Mon Jun 07, 1993 J.KRACHT [James Kracht] at 02:09 EDT I live in Phoenix, Arizona. I want a Falcon030 _NOW_. What do I do? Any help would be much appreciated (i.e., some sort of dealer I can finally deplete my long-growing Falcon fund at). -=James ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 117 Mon Jun 07, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 03:23 EDT David, Press any key to bypass the memory test. Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 118 Mon Jun 07, 1993 B.STOREY [Billy B.] at 06:34 EDT I would like to get into the new eraseable-rewriteable cd-rom drives, but I would like to be able to connect it as drive "B". ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 119 Mon Jun 07, 1993 ICDINC at 09:36 EDT G.Norton, ICD SCSI Pro software is now 100% on the Falcon. If you have any version questions, call Howard at 815-968-2228. - TOM - ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 120 Tue Jun 08, 1993 BAREFOOT [Brad Cox] at 15:25 EDT REALM- You need 220 k ohm resistors in line, NOT from the signal to ground. This was true of our developer model, however the gain structure may have been changed. Use it as a starting point anyway. If you want to get fancy-schmancy, wire up a pair of 250 or 500 K potentiometers. Brad @ BAREFOOT ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 121 Tue Jun 08, 1993 P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 19:31 EDT Just a note: With all the terminal programs that are crashing on the Falcon, ANSITerm 1.9 still operates almost completly. ANSITerm offers 100% ANSI compatibility with 16 colors and 80 columns on any Atari TOS computer. Has text capture and file transfer capabilities, also. This file was a former "Darlah's Treat" and is available here in the ST RT. Sean Dougherty Two Worlds Publishing ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 122 Wed Jun 09, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 00:13 EDT I just downloaded Ansiterm and played around with it a bit. It *works* on the Falcon w/o Multitos, but upon exit it messes up the desktop really bad, setting it to some strange two color unreadable rez. Maybe I'm running Ansiterm from the wrong resolution? Which rez would you suggest? Running it under Multitos is even worse. The desktop font and menus become giant sized and bleed through under the Ansiterm fonts and menus. You can't select an Ansiterm menu item without accidently activating a desktop menu item. Miniwinn doesn't help. The Ansiterm menus refuse to be costrained within the Miniwin window. They insist on being at the top of the screen competing with the giant desktop menus. I didn't even try dialing because the screen was too weird and distracting. Again, maybe I'm running it from the wrong resolution? But I tried a few different resolutions with the same result. Also under Multitos it sometimes bombs upon exiting with a "fatal Mint error." (Although I didn't try changing its flags or disabling memory protection which might have cured that particular problem.) My search for a Multitos-friendly terminal program continues. Tomorrow . . . STalker 3. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 123 Wed Jun 09, 1993 C.FLUEGEL [Curt] at 00:38 EDT Stalker 3 works, I run it with Atari Works in the background. Atari works cant keep up, but it does work.. Curt ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 124 Wed Jun 09, 1993 JAMES-GRUNKE [James] at 01:31 EDT Curt, Please describe the symptoms, "can't keep up." Thanks, James ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 125 Wed Jun 09, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 03:37 EDT Thanks for the info Brad, thats closer enough! ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 126 Wed Jun 09, 1993 B.REHBOCK [BILL@ATARI] at 04:57 EDT I have uploaded the latest HDX and AHDI. These do solve the partition "overrun" problem on Falcon and Atari strongly suggests that you backup your Falcon hard disk, reformat your drive and use this new AHDI (SHDRIVER.SYS). The file is posted as "HDX503.TOS" and is a self-extracting archive. We will also post FPATCH.PRG in the next day or two which corrects some serial port problems. -Bill Rehbock@Atari ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 127 Wed Jun 09, 1993 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 07:38 EDT Thank you, Bill!! We appreciate it! ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 128 Wed Jun 09, 1993 P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 18:32 EDT David: Switch over to ST Meduim compatiblity mode and everything will operate and exit correctly. The problems come in where ANSITerm changes to ST Low and when exiting or going to file transfer it switches back to the resolution you loaded it from, and it doesn't know how to jump back to Falcon modes. As for running it under MultiTOS, I'm amazed you got it to do anything. Neither I nor the author believe that ANSITerm v1.90 or registered 1.91 will work under MultiTOS. The "features" that don't work are the online time counter (which depends on the Carrier Detect line which has changed), and Hangup which will mess up the sound matrix for some reason. The author of ANSITerm is contemplating a new ANSITerm, FANSITerm, for the Falcon that will be window based and MultiTOS legal. If this is ever completed, it will most likely be "shareware" or will only be sent to registered users of ANSITerm and people paying the $15 fee. If you do indeed have Stalker 3, use it! It performs under MultiTOS and on top of that has many more features. Sean Dougherty Two Worlds Publishing ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 129 Wed Jun 09, 1993 C.LABELLE [Tintin] at 19:45 EDT I know I must be the only french Falcon owner in North America, but can I obtain from Atari US the french dictionary and thesaurus for AW? I'd also like Talking Clock in french, and the CPX to change the TOS language. Should I claim these when I fill-in my mail-in card? Also I can't find SHIP.PRG. Do I need to park the heads on the internal IDE drive? Thanks, Tintin ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 130 Thu Jun 10, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 00:31 EDT Tintin, I think the HD always autoparks. You have an IDE drive? as in 65 megs? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 131 Thu Jun 10, 1993 C.FLUEGEL [Curt] at 01:07 EDT James : If I type at full speed it will lose some characters. It will be typing WAY slower than me. Can I fix this by raising the Cashe on SpeedoGDOS? Im your basic MIDI atari guy, I have no comprehension of Cashe settings (and until those manuals are out, its hard to guess:)) Curt Stocks up to 2 7/8!! p.s. James, whoever the lady is who answeres your phone now, give her a raise please!! shes a great help................ ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 132 Thu Jun 10, 1993 JAMES-GRUNKE [James] at 01:41 EDT Hi Curt, I'm your basic ATARI MUSIC guy as well, Ask Bob, I type louder than I do faster... I will forward your message to Pradip I can assure you, Bill and Greg have some great manuals coming your way. No comment on the stock. I'll tell Candy she has an admirer... :) Did you get storms back home this week? James ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 133 Thu Jun 10, 1993 B.REHBOCK [BILL@ATARI] at 02:17 EDT The additional Dictionary Packages will be available for Atari Works during the month of July. ($39.00 USD each.) Curt, Please tell me what font and size you are using. You may want to increase the size of the cache using OUTLINE.APP, you can leave the Miscellaneous cache at 100 to 150k and bump the font cache to 200. This will only help if you are mixing a lot of different type styles on the page at one time. Also: Do not use the "Bold" and "Italic" attributes if you can help it, they render slowly; use "Swiss 721 Italic" instead or "Swiss 721 Bold" instead. The Function Key macro capability makes this really, really easy to do. Pradip is pronounced "Pra-deep". -Bill Rehbock (Ray-bock, not Ree-bock :-) ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 134 Thu Jun 10, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 03:19 EDT Thanks Bill! ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 135 Thu Jun 10, 1993 WAYNED. [Wayne] at 19:52 EDT TinTin, As See Flat said, the drive doesn't need a "Ship.prg". I don't know of any current technology drives that aren't self parking. I may be wrong, but all SCSI, SCSI II, and IDE drives auto-park. As soon as the power is shut down the head moves to a park zone and parks itself. Basically the drive is parked in an unpowered state, and powering up is what "un"parks the heads. At least if I understand what I've been told. Also most if not all current drives "shuffle" the heads after a period of no activity. For instance you're sitting at the desktop and not accessing any files. (i.e. you're asleep in your chair. ) After a period of time (varies with the drive manufacturer/model) the heads move so that they don't sit in one spot all the time. I hear my Quantum do this from time to time if it's quiet enough in the room.(the drive is very quiet) Also my SyQuest parks itself after a long time and the next time I access the SyQuest it sounds like it's booting up all over again as it wakes up the heads and moves them to the proper location again. --------------- >-Bill Rehbock (Ray-bock, not Ree-bock :-) All this time I've been reading it wrong. I thought it was "Ree-bock". Wayne ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 136 Thu Jun 10, 1993 C.LABELLE [Tintin] at 22:27 EDT See Flat, Yes I have an IDE drive. It's an 84-megger though :-) My dealer has ONE 65MB, but it is a store demo, not to be sold. The rest are 84MB. Tintin ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 137 Fri Jun 11, 1993 S.FARWIG [STAN] at 00:24 EDT After playing with the FALCON for two weeks, I am enjoying it, especially the graphic possiblities. The biggest headache resulted from the persistant refusal of Atari's HD software to recognize more than four partitions per drive, effectively putting two partitions out of service until I could get ICD Pro. This is the 1990's, isn't it? I do have one major gripe and it differs in no way from numerous others on the way ATARI does things... buttocks backwards. I have been running a CD-ROM drive on a Mega with the ICD software that came with the Link. Surprise! It doesn't work on the Falcon. In talking with Howard at ICD, he reports that ICD gave up on Atari's MetaDos for the FALCON as just too buggy and now runs CD-ROM drives through MiNT. He also told me there should be a driver for this on GEnie, but didn't know where to find it. I did a search on the library tonignt and came up with the METADOS2 file from ATARIBENELUX, the one that says: "These are the essential elements to get any (ACSI/SCSI) CD ROM drive going on an Atari." ..."on an Atari"except a FALCON it seems. Perhaps I erred, but lacking a degree in computer science and being just an ordinary stupid kind of Atari user, I did the best I could with the extremely minimal and arcane instructions that come with this file. One of the main reasons I had for buying a FALCON was to enjoy the higher resolution graphics and other programs on CD-ROM disks. If Atari is serious about the FALCON as a "multimedia" instrument as distinct from the latest buzz-word usage, it seems to me that Atari would have done well to get serious about CD-ROM support long before now as CD-ROM drives are likely to be an essential component of "multimedia". Judging by the CD-ROM programs now on display at Price Club, it is a medium which has arrived in the IBM world. Since the Jaguar is to support CD-ROM perhaps ATARI *will* get serious about it, not that that will necessarily benefit FALCON users. Stan ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 138 Fri Jun 11, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 00:39 EDT Stan, you might want to check the new "Falconized" HDX 5.03 that was just upload to our Library. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 139 Fri Jun 11, 1993 C.FLUEGEL [Curt] at 00:40 EDT Thanks James and Bill... yea, we got storms, funnel clouds, the whole works.. I will fiddle with Atari works some more, it works great w/o Multitos. I exchanged my demo model for 84 meggar, we'll see what the new TOS does. I see FPATCH comes pre-installed.. -- Falcons Hit Minnesota -- 3 in 3 out... Curt p.s. so what is the status on Falcon D2D and SAM? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 140 Fri Jun 11, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 03:13 EDT Tintin, Phewww. Glad to hear it. It must be pretty madenning to all that convinced dealers to sell them their demo units. A upgrade in product can be expected after a while but not usually as fast as this and I'm sure there must be some jealous people out there. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 141 Fri Jun 11, 1993 ATARI.BENLUX [W. Kilwinger] at 06:37 EDT Stan, > >In talking with Howard at ICD, he reports that ICD gave up on Atari's MetaDos >for the FALCON as just too buggy and now runs CD-ROM drives through MiNT. He >also told me there should be a driver for this on GEnie, but didn't know where >to find it. No, that MiNT driver is not released yet. I'm asking Bill Rehbock almost every day to make it available but is seems that our external developer hasn't finished it yet. > >I did a search on the library tonignt and came up with the METADOS2 file from >ATARIBENELUX, the one that says: "These are the essential elements to get any >(ACSI/SCSI) CD ROM drive going on an Atari." ..."on an Atari"except a FALCON >it seems. Perhaps I erred, but lacking a degree in computer science and being >just an ordinary stupid kind of Atari user, I did the best I could with the >extremely minimal and arcane instructions that come with this file. MetaDOS is NOT for the Falcon030. I uploaded it on request and only because it is the only driver that handles the ACSI (DMA) port since the MiNT driver will not support ACSI. I thought I made clearly that there will be a MiNT driver for the Falcon030 in the text file or at least in the long description of the file in GEnie. I thought I wrote use it 'as is', don't expect it to be updated, we'll put all our efford in the MiNT driver. The MiNT driver is far superior to the MetaDOS driver. Regards, Wilfred ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 142 Fri Jun 11, 1993 ATARIAUSTRIA [J.Widi] at 16:15 EDT Brad, I'm about to build my fancy-schmancy Falcon connector box :) I'm trying to figure out whether to use linear or logarithmic pots to attenuate the gain. Any recommendations? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 143 Fri Jun 11, 1993 ICDINC at 19:05 EDT Stan and Wilfred, We are supporting ACSI to SCSI with our MiNT driver. It is available now as part of ICD SCSI Pro Software. I will have a press release shortly in the ICD RT (m1220;1) - TOM - PS Fully Falconized. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 144 Fri Jun 11, 1993 E.BAIZ at 20:25 EDT I am planning on getting a Falcon. What are the recommendations for a monitor? I was thinking about getting a Multi-Sync SVGA monitor. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 145 Sat Jun 12, 1993 JAMES-GRUNKE [James] at 02:56 EDT E.BAIZ, There is a post from Gerry here on Genie, probably archived by now. (I have the Cat, Top, Msg# at the office) He posted an in-depth discussion of F030 video capabilities. We are using the post as a segment of our sales training manual. ...definately a "must" for the GEnie READ.ME Hall of Fame. I'll post the pertinent info Monday... Thanks, James ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 146 Sat Jun 12, 1993 S.FARWIG [STAN] at 18:12 EDT Thanks all for replies to my ticked-off message. Sorry that it was unpleasant, but frustrated anticipation has a way of leading to anguish and anger. While enduring the delay of the Falcon, I eased the wait by going ahead and buying a CD-ROM drive in the expectation of the Falcon's arrival. Once I had the Falcon, I thought, hot damn, here goes...splat! Such problems rise, in good measure, from Atari's habit of announcing and hyping products long before they're a reality and subjecting their dedicated users to frustration and themselves to ridicule and cynicism. I rather fear the same mischief will happen with the Jaguar...glowing decription and not due until next year (yet another Xmas season missed?). Wilfred: Thanks for the clarification and please continue to pester Bill Rehbock. It's a shame that Atari can't call in expert help on the problem from other platforms where the techonology is up and thriving. I'm a bit puzzled and disappointed that the CD-ROM driver must be tied to MiNT since I foresee no other use for that OP, but there must be some technical reason for the union. Tom of ICD: I was much encouraged by your message, being an enthusiastic user of ICD utilities and a bit piqued that your MiNT driver "is available now as part of ICD SCSI Pro Software" since I just -now- purchased the Pro Software without it. Sigh! more disks to ship back. my best Stan ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 147 Sat Jun 12, 1993 J.GNIEWKOWSK [GE-Lamp ST] at 23:03 EDT James, We also featured Gerry's article in last month's (I think) GEnieLamp. It was great!!! John E. Gniewkowski Editor, GEnieLamp ST ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 148 Sun Jun 13, 1993 E.WINDELL [GENE] at 13:28 EDT Stan, I sympathize with your situation; in fact I almost followed the same path myself. I had the money for a Falcon030, yet none were available. So I decided to buy a CD-ROM drive and a multisync monitor in anticipation. It seems that Atari Corp is in a no-win situation. If they release a product too soon, they get criticized. And if they delay its release, they also get criticized. It was because I was carefully evaluating which CD-ROM drive I should buy that I got wrapped around the axel with things concerning Kodak Photo CD and 3DO technology. Similarly, evaluating which monitor would be best for me led to multimedia related issues for which there was no obvious explanation. This started me on a long odyssey of trying to figure out what the Falcon 030's unique strengths were, and how it would ultimately be used by most consumers. My conclusion was that the Falcon030 system was still in its embryonic stage, and was released early due to external pressures. I suggest that a major strength of the Falcon030 is its ability to accept hardware via the PDS and SCSI-II which is not yet available. And that this new hardware will open the door to a supply of impressive software which will be generally unavailable to the multitudes of PC clone users. Meanwhile, there must be some satisfaction in the smug assurance that you are the first kid on the block with cutting edge technology. Gene ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 149 Sun Jun 13, 1993 AEO.5 [Ed Krimen] at 17:00 EDT >My conclusion was that the Falcon030 system was still in its embryonic stage, >and was released early due to external pressures. I suggest that a major >strength of the Falcon030 is its ability to accept hardware via the PDS and >SCSI-II which is not yet available. And that this new hardware will open the >door to a supply of impressive software which will be generally unavailable to >the multitudes of PC clone users. While there are no hardware devices available for plugging into the PDS yet, there are quite a few SCSI-II drives available, and the PC clone users are just now discovering SCSI. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 150 Sun Jun 13, 1993 P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 18:18 EDT Does anyone know if you can chain IDE devices? It seems to me that one couldn't...but adding another cheeper IDE drive would be nice. Sean Dougherty Two Worlds Publishing ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 151 Sun Jun 13, 1993 ATARI.BENLUX [W. Kilwinger] at 20:22 EDT ICDINC > >Stan and Wilfred, We are supporting ACSI to SCSI with our MiNT driver. It is >available now as part of ICD SCSI Pro Software. I will have a press release >shortly in the ICD RT (m1220;1) > > - TOM - > >PS Fully Falconized. Good to hear Tom ! Regards, Wilfred ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 152 Mon Jun 14, 1993 E.WINDELL [GENE] at 04:47 EDT Ed, PC clone users are just now discovering what could be done on the Atari ST 7 years ago. Small companies are able to react to technological changes much faster than large ones. While there may be quite a few SCSI-II devices available now, this is no indication of what kind of SCSI-II devices may be available in the near future. I am glad that the Falcon030 and Jaguar have SCSI-II ports, while most PC clones do not. Computer technology changes very quickly, and all we know is what the powers that be tell us - or what we are able to figure out on our own. Gene ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 153 Mon Jun 14, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 07:28 EDT Sean, If the IDE controller is standard, you can put two IDE drives on the same controller. Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 154 Mon Jun 14, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 18:21 EDT Atari needs to learn how to write a non-Mint version of the CD-ROM driver. To have a true multimedia computer, they need to learn how to make a CD-ROM drive work with the Atari computers. I find the lack of CD-ROM support (all these years) to be inexcusable. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 155 Wed Jun 16, 1993 S.FARWIG [STAN] at 23:18 EDT Question: should anyone own a computer who doesn't hold a degree in Computer Science? With a degree, at least one would have some inkling of those delphic messages that programmers throw at stupid users with no textual explanation of what it all means. Tried booting MultiTOS on the FALCON today since ICD gave my dealer assurance that the CD-ROM drive on their PRO disk would run under MultiTOS. In the boot process the system froze in order to enlighten me with this: pid 1 (AESSYS):MEMORY VIOLATION type=free AA=3D7FFC PC=E10584 BP=9A000 pid 1(AESSYS): OPERATING SYSTEM KILLED FATAL MiNT ERROR: adjust bug level and hit a key VERIFY BUFFER DISABLED What is that message suppose to do for illiterate users such as me? Am I suppose to know how to fix things and get MultiTOS up and running with that information? Sorry to be so crabby, but nothing seems to be going well these days. I would appreciate any help in getting the much heralded MultiTOS operational. My thanks Stan ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 156 Wed Jun 16, 1993 BAREFOOT [Brad Cox] at 23:27 EDT J.WIDI- For something like this it really doesn't matter whether it's log or linear, as you're just trying to get a set resistance. Log matters when you want half a turn to seem like half the loudness change, but for set and forget applications you won't care. Brad @ BAREFOOT ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 157 Thu Jun 17, 1993 R.NELSON48 [Grouch (:{] at 00:07 EDT OK, So I spent more money than I thought I could afford and I brought home a reasonably nice machine. Now the problems start. 1. Cables, you got to have miles and miles of cables, and they arn't the same ones you used to have. You got to buy IBM cables, you got to buy sun system cables, you got to have vedio adapters. Sheesh! 2. Hard drive. It doesn't listen to my computer anymore. Just does it's own thing. Not enough to have cables, got to pull the Host Adaptor out of the chain. Now the Hard Drive listens to the falcon, but I can't use it with my 1040. Sheesh! 3. SpeedoGDOS. Boy did I want Speedo. It came already installed on my Falcon HD. So What? I can't use it with anything. Marcel don't need it. Word Perfect could care less. Caligrapher 3 has built in GDOS so there is no way to use Speedo fonts. Pagestream has it's own system. What the heck is going on here? Why did I buy a Falcon? So I plug my 1040 back in (grumble brumble - lots of crawling around under the desk and cable switching. A pain in the neck and lower parts of the anatomy as well). The trusty old 1040 boots up and you know what? The thrill is gone. The multi-synch monitor I have been real happy with did a very good display with the Falcon. True, I couldn't use the Falcon for much. None of my games would work. I can't call GEine with Aladin. Warp 9 is shut down. But the screen display is awesome. Now reading a medium rez display on the 1040 seems like reverting back to 8 bit days. So, all you who can remember what it was like to switch to a hard drive...(You'll never look back!) Switching to the Falcon is similar. Lots of pain and agony, plenty of uncertainty. But it is all worth it because - - you can't go back again. Once you climb the ladder, you don't want to go back down into the depths. Special requests. A monitor switch so I don't have to plug and unplug to switch machines. It will be quite a while before I can give up my complete investment in the ST and transfer everything over to the Falcon. Likewise a Hard Drive switcher so I can use the drive interchangably. Finaly a GEMulater sort of deal to let me use my cantankerous software with the Falcon. It's not that much to ask, is it? -=-= Grouch (:{ =-=- ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 158 Thu Jun 17, 1993 S.WINICK at 05:55 EDT Grouch, >> Now the Hard Drive listens to the falcon, but I can't use it with >> my 1040. All you need is an ICD "The Link" host adapter to allow you to use the SCSI hard drive with your 1040 as well as with your Falcon. The Link is an external host adpater that merely plugs into the external Centronics SCSI port on the back of your hard drive case to allow it to be used with older Ataris. Sheldon (Computer STudio - Asheville, NC) ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 159 Thu Jun 17, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 07:42 EDT Grouch, Toad is advertising a FUMA switch or something like that (Falcon Untilate Monitor Adaptor?) for the Falcon. Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 160 Thu Jun 17, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 18:07 EDT How does the second floppy hook up to the Falcon? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 161 Thu Jun 17, 1993 P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 18:26 EDT See Flat: There is no way, at this time, to connect a second disk drive to the Falcon due to the lack of the port. Just where they would put the port if they could fit any more circuitry is beyond me. (I suppose they would put it next to the 2 regular joystick ports. ) Sean Dougherty Two Worlds Publishing ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 162 Fri Jun 18, 1993 ICDINC at 10:19 EDT That's what happens when you buy something as soon as it's released. There's very little third-party support for it. If you wait a few months, there will be more compatibility and product availability. I was at ATY Computers today and Alex has the 16-meg (14-meg) upgrade from Zubair. $750 or so. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 171 Sun Jun 20, 1993 STEVE-J [Steve @ NLS] at 10:04 EDT Another option for dual floppies on the Falcon030 is to hack your own internal dual drive by replacing the factory mechanism with 2 ultra-low profile 3.5" HD floppy mechanisms (this may also be possible to do to add a second internal hard drive using an ultra-low profile HD floppy mechanism and a 1" high 3.5" IDE or SCSI drive). ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 172 Sun Jun 20, 1993 D.OWENS at 11:41 EDT I would like to know if anyone has tried the Omnimon Rainbow Monitor on the Falcon or if anyone knows if it will work with it and what connectors are needed to connect with. Denver ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 173 Sun Jun 20, 1993 AEO.7 [Gregg] at 17:46 EDT D.OWENS.... as far as I can recall the Omnimon Raidbow should have little if any problem handling the video output from the Falcon. It was designed to be ST compatible, so it can sync down to the old CGA/EGA frequencies used by ST color modes AND the ST-High 'near VGA' modes. If it can handle this than it should handle the Falcon's native VGA mode with no problem. HOWEVER..... if you're looking into making it also handle the interlaced modes then I can't give any promises.... it 'should' with the correct adapter (check with Toad, I hear rumors they're working on an adapter for dthis). Otherwise I'm not sure how you should go about it. Good luck; Gregg ]*s ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 174 Sun Jun 20, 1993 C.LABELLE [Tintin] at 19:39 EDT Can I go and hook-up any SCSI CD-ROM to my Falcon, with just a cable and nothing else? And just click "Install Devices" ? Thanks. Also I would like to report a bug. Copying a folder to a High-Density disk formatted by an IBM clone causes 2 bombs. This is not the case however with MultiTOS enabled. Tintin ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 175 Sun Jun 20, 1993 P.MCCANDLESS [plonker] at 23:59 EDT I live in Mississippi where I KNOW that I am the ONLY ATARI user within 250 miles! I need to have ATARI sales literature describing the FALCON and TT. Even though I have been on this BBS, I have NEVER seen a Falcon or a TT, I don't know what they look like, don't know what they do, what their specifications are or the like. How can I get some sales literature in my post office mailbox on these and ALL OTHER ATARI products? Phil McCandless ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 176 Mon Jun 21, 1993 D.COOKE [Rob] at 01:08 EDT Phil,you might try writing to Atari.I don't know their address but maybe someone else does.Later.. P.S. If this could be of help,the Falcon030 is in the same housing case as the ST/STe computers however there is word that the Falcon will be put into a different case in the future with a detachable keyboard. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 177 Mon Jun 21, 1993 R.NELSON48 [Grouch (:{] at 01:09 EDT Ed - Now see what happens when you pick GROUCH for a handle. I wasn't complaining, I was just pointing out some of the reality based events that reading on-line topics didn't quite prepare me for. Other than about an hour of pluged in time all my Falcon has done is sit on its perch and defy me to use it. I'm spending my spare time downloading compatability programs, patches, and on- line info about everything because the next time I hook it up, I'm leaving it running and I expect to be cut off from GEnie for awhile. BTW, I bought my bird from Alex and he did some HD work for me. I recommend ATY computers as a friendly place to shop. -=-= Grouch (:{ =-=- ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 178 Mon Jun 21, 1993 STEVE-J [Steve @ NLS] at 05:20 EDT J.ROY18 - If by "PPC" processor you mean "PowerPC" processor, then no, it's not 68030-compatible. It's just a fast RISC processor that would be capable of fast emulation of other processors through software. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 179 Mon Jun 21, 1993 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 18:45 EDT Grouch: Since you're not happy with your Falcon030, I'll offer $900 for it. ________________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 180 Mon Jun 21, 1993 M.SCHEFFEL at 20:42 EDT I just received my Falcon and am Finding it useful... BUT. I am having problems with it scrolling. It runs it at less than st speed. I have run it clean ( no Mtos, etc. With no improvement. I have Tos 4.02. I also think I got a demo model intended for the dealer. Does my lack of a card to mail in mean I won't get the rest of my STUFF? ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 181 Tue Jun 22, 1993 S.WINICK at 06:51 EDT M.SCHEFFEL, Check to see which video mode you have your system set for. Slow scrolling is typical when you're in 256 color or true-color modes as the system has an awful lot to draw. Switch the video mode to 16 color or less and try again. If you want to feel better about the scrolling speed, find someone with a DOS box running Windows and watch that thing creep along with trying to scroll with 256 colors displayed. ;-] Sheldon (Computer STudio - Asheville, NC) ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 182 Tue Jun 22, 1993 STEVE-J [Steve @ NLS] at 07:07 EDT BOB-BRODIE - On my 2700-mile cross-country roadtrip, I was a travelling Atari advertisement (my 1040STE box was flush up against the window, so everyone who looked at my car saw it!). Could I have a complimentary Falcon030 for my efforts? Well, it was worth a shot! ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 183 Tue Jun 22, 1993 J.NESS [Jim] at 17:08 EDT Sheldon - Re: scrolling on a DOS box w/Windows... I was just thinking the same thing. When I made this last PC Aladdin run, I had to "minimize" my PC Aladdin DOS window (turn the window into an icon), because the scrolling can't keep up at 9600bps. It does fine, if you run it in DOS mode instead of as a window, though. Of course, I don't know of any ST term programs that can keep up, either. Heck, ST Aladdin can't even keep up at 2400. Watch carefully, and you'll see the text continues to scroll after the modem receive lite goes dark. I wonder what will happen under MultiTOS, if ST Aladdin ever gets updated. -JN ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 184 Tue Jun 22, 1993 P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 18:15 EDT Want fast scrolling? Use ProCalc's help in a mono mode, and let the slider fly! Sean DOugherty Two Worlds Publishing ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 185 Tue Jun 22, 1993 M.SCHEFFEL at 18:27 EDT S.WINICK I guess I am asking alot. I guess I'm TT spoiled. I guess I'll have to wait for my Falcon 040 (BIG grin ). Thanks. By the way, has any body heard about a Warp 9 for the bird? At the Conn. show I think I saw it in passing but didn't stop to check. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 186 Tue Jun 22, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 23:20 EDT Phil, Atari Corporation 1196 Borregas Ave. Sunnyvale, California 94086 Work phone: 408-745-2000 Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 187 Wed Jun 23, 1993 R.NELSON48 [Grouch (:{] at 01:02 EDT To any and all - Does anyone have Word Perfect working with their Falcon? I saw it listed as a compatable program somewhere and bought the Falcon thinking I could still use it but NOooooooOO. It boots fine in several resolutions and comes up on screen perfect. That is where perfection ends however. No keypresses are effective, no mouse work detected. Just the word perfect document screen for all the wrold like it is waiting to accept your input, but it's kaput! I know that AtariWorks is susposed to be as good or better than WP, and I have MARCEL which will load my WP documents just fine, but my wife refuses to learn another word processor and there is only room on the desk for one machine. I would like it to be the Falcon, but unless I can get WordPerfect going this is bound to put a real strain on the marriage. (She thinks I change these things around just to make her feel stupid! Hey, I get real tired of having to learn new programs all the time, too.) Please address your help, comments, suggestions to the (:{ GROUCH. Thank You. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 188 Wed Jun 23, 1993 J.KRACHT [James Kracht] at 01:24 EDT GROUCH -- Do you think your messages are entertaining or something? Some of us don't even have Falcons yet. Sheesh. -=James BTW, sounds like "get a new wife" time in the GROUCH household. ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 189 Wed Jun 23, 1993 R.NELSON48 [Grouch (:{] at 01:51 EDT __________________ \hunderbird - It is nice to be wraped in the warm fuzzy goodness of one's friends and fellow Atarians. So very thoughful of you to offer just a few hundred under list to help me with my problem. Alas, the bird is still under warrenty and I think I can return it as not living up to expectations if it comes to that. I am hopeful, however, that I can get my "bread and butter" applications going and I don't realy worry about the games. BTW, I can make you a good deal on a 9600 FAX/MODEM or a 2400 Supramodem, or a 1200 AVATEX. How about a Specter GCR? (Full docs, and I'll throw in a mac book and a syquest specter cartridge too!) ------------ Category 14, Topic 41 Message 190 Wed Jun 23, 1993 MUSE [Tomas] at 04:21 EDT M.SHEFFEL, Yes, there is a beta Falcon version of Warp 9 and you flew right by it!? I flew 3000 miles to show it to you and you didn't even say hello? There are some things left to tweak and I wouldn't expect a release for several weeks. Those of you attending the Kansas City show will have an opportunity (if all goes as planned) to see the new SlideShow EOS module in VGA mode. It's spectacular. ===Tomas=== June 23, 1993 @ 0:34:31 am PDT ------------ 14 ?