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From: Greg Cox <gcox@crash.cts.com>
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I no-longer looking for the Dump Extension as Mr M Sawicki was so kind to 
send me a uuencoded copy of it, thanx ! :)

Hey Ryan,

I'll send ya a copy of it real soon, I'm suprised you already don't have 
it in your library collection by now.




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From: Greg Cox <gcox@crash.cts.com>
Subject: AMOS Programs
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I think and wish that more AMOS programmers or user's in general would 
upload there work/programs to the Aminet via FTP at wuarchive.wustl.edu
for all to check out, use, and enjoy them. It's so hard to find any AMOS
stuph proggys here in San Diego as far as PD, SHareware, Freeware ones
go and it would be great to see what others have done and created such as 
games, utilities, extensions, whatever ...

I have uploaded my latest program to the Aminet it is called: FSelExt.lha

What it is an extension to the FSel$ command. When used in conjunction 
with, you can return:

- Just the filename with no drawers, ect...
- Get the bytes of the filename
- Return the path where the file is located
- And also just return the device

Comes with an example to show you how to use it in your programs.

Greg
gcox@ctsnet.cts.com



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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
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To: AMOS LIST SEND <amos-list@access.digex.net>
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here's how to subscribe to amiga report:

send message to:

listserv@bbs.xnet.com

and in the body of the message put

ADD yourname@youraddr armag

thats it.  do it now. 
must be able to receive over 100K in your mailbox!

ryan



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From: Greg Cox <gcox@crash.cts.com>
Subject: FSelExt
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Well I for one don't care if any games or programs are made with AMOS 
since I enjoy AMOS very much and use it much more than Blitz Basic 2 as I 
have both, I enjoy them both and use them both, but I like AMOS much 
better and since I have a A600Hd I don't have too worry too much about 
those enforcer hits. I just wish there were more AMOS programs on the 
Aminet since it would be in it's own drawer dev/amos as with Blitz BAsic 
2 programs as well and if someone who doesn't want it well then that's 
there choice, but if they don't well what would they be doing in the 
dev/amos drawer to begin with. I'm sure there are many others out there 
as myself who do, so don't let that discourage you from sending your work 
to the Aminet or any other programs that have been written with AMOS 
that's what the directory is there for (dev/amos) just for AMOS programs 
for AMOS owners and user's !! 

C-ya

P.S If you have any procedures that you have written I would like to see 
them if you don't mine or even use them with your permission of course. 
Just send them to me in uuencoded form via e-mail to my address:

gcox@ctsnet.cts.com

Thanx!

Have you downloaded FSelExt.lha from the Aminet Vincent ? If so, how do you
like it ?

Greg



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Subject: Amos Programs' Feel
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Has anyone managed to make their Amos programs style guide compliant?  If
so, tell us how you did it.  The application programmers among us want to
know.



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Subject: AMOS Mailing List July 1994
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I just uploaded an archive of all the messages during July 1994 to Aminet
as AMOSList-0794.lzh

It will be in dev/amos soon I hope!

Mike
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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Amos Programs' Feel
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On Sun, 31 Jul 1994, Vincent Platt wrote:

> Has anyone managed to make their Amos programs style guide compliant?  If
> so, tell us how you did it.  The application programmers among us want to
> know.

Can you give me more information on this, please?  I understand the 
concept only marginally - I write utilities, but not in Intuition yet - 
more info!




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Subject: Re: Amos Programs' Feel
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> Has anyone managed to make their Amos programs style guide compliant?  If
> so, tell us how you did it.  The application programmers among us want to
> know.

More or less - the main problem is that it's hard to use real Intuition 
stuff, so you have to fudge it a bit - I've written my own (monstrously 
ugly) procedures to simulate cycle gadgets, etc, and I always make sure 
that I do the easy things like having "Quit" at the bottom of the 
left-hand menu, etc...  Sadly AMOS isn't all that good for applications 
programming - C is the only way to go.  AMOS is really looking a bit 
dated now:  it's too clunky for applications, too slow for games, and too 
big for just knocking up a quick program - I usually have a copy of 
HiSoft BASIC loaded for writing little snippets of code or for use as a 
calculator. :)


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From: Paul Reece <preece@slick.clare.tased.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Amos Programs' Feel
To: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Cc: Vincent Platt <platt@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu>,
        amos <amos-list@access.digex.net>
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On Mon, 1 Aug 1994, Ryan Scott wrote:

> 
> 
> On Sun, 31 Jul 1994, Vincent Platt wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone managed to make their Amos programs style guide compliant?  If
> > so, tell us how you did it.  The application programmers among us want to
> > know.
> 
> Can you give me more information on this, please?  I understand the 
> concept only marginally - I write utilities, but not in Intuition yet - 
> more info!

Commodore has released a set of guidelines on what the interface(s) to 
programs should look like... AFAIK it's just a book with these 
'reccomendations' in it..  If it's anything like the RKM's, I wouldn't 
think it's worth buying. ie. TOO EXPENSIVE!

 - Paul

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From: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu (Andy Church)
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>Has anyone managed to make their Amos programs style guide compliant?  If
>so, tell us how you did it.  The application programmers among us want to
>know.

  Try the Intuition Extension (by me :-) ).  You can open Intuition screens
and windows with a single simple command.  You can have menus attached to
your windows, and use all sorts of requesters.  Gadgets are in testing now
and will be in the next release (probably in a couple of weeks).

  If you want more information, let me know.

  --Andy Church

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Subject: Re: Amos Programs' Feel
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Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 07:44:08 -0400 (ADT)
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>'reccomendations' in it..  If it's anything like the RKM's, I wouldn't 
>think it's worth buying. ie. TOO EXPENSIVE!
Actually, the style guide is only $14.95.

Mike
-- 
Michael Cox                             Work:   mcox@access.digex.net
A1200/120 w/1230XA 50/50/4 = SPEED!     Play:   aj639@Cleveland.FreeNet.EDU
             For info on the AMOS Mailing List, contact me!
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Hello everybody!


I need to control each individual bit on the parallell port on my A1200.
Therefore I need the addresses to the data register and to the
datadirection register.

I intend to use the POKE and PEEK commandos in AMOS

Please HELP!

E-mail> etxchjn@tn.etx.ericsson.se

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Copper Experts:
	I want to learn to program the copper.  I saw a short little 
program in the turbo plus demos that uses only the copper to wobble the 
screen back and forth.  I browsed the code, but its all hex. no comments 
or anything.  I have a couple questions.
1.  What kinds of things is the copper in charge in the system?
2.  Is there a comprehensive list of copper instructions somewhere?
3.  I've heard of an 8-way copper scroller(i.e. for games)  can this be 
implemented in amos?

					Thanx,
					Samuel Washburn
					<samw@meteor.wisc.edu>

  //
\X/  He who dies with the most toys, STILL DIES!!  No fear.



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Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 08:37:20 +1000 (EST)
From: Paul Reece <preece@slick.clare.tased.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Amos Programs' Feel
To: M D Cox <mcox@access.digex.net>
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On Tue, 2 Aug 1994, M D Cox wrote:

> >'reccomendations' in it..  If it's anything like the RKM's, I wouldn't 
> >think it's worth buying. ie. TOO EXPENSIVE!
> Actually, the style guide is only $14.95.

You don't live in Australia, do you...

MOST of the Addison Wesley RKM etc. books are about $60-$70 here.. :(

(That's why I don't have them)

 - Paul

> 
> Mike
> -- 
> Michael Cox                             Work:   mcox@access.digex.net
> A1200/120 w/1230XA 50/50/4 = SPEED!     Play:   aj639@Cleveland.FreeNet.EDU
>              For info on the AMOS Mailing List, contact me!
>              For AMOS Pro news, finger mcox@access.digex.net
> 

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From: "stud.ass." <bcollin@mpi.nl>
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On Sun, 31 Jul 1994 21:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Greg Cox wrote:

[snip]
> dev/amos drawer to begin with. I'm sure there are many others out 
there 
> as myself who do, so don't let that discourage you from sending 
your work 
> to the Aminet or any other programs that have been written with 
AMOS 
> that's what the directory is there for (dev/amos) just for AMOS 
programs 
> for AMOS owners and user's !! 
> 

A roommate's girlfriend recently gave a 'psychedelic' party and I 
provided the 'computer visuals'. First I thought I could get enough 
demos to show the whole evening, but most demos on Aminet seem to 
be all vector graphics and scrolly messages of sub-adolescent 
standard, so I knocked something up in Amos to show between the few 
useful demos I could find. I would post this programme to the net 
if my computer would not still be in the room of my roommate's 
girlfriend, who is still on vacation.

> P.S If you have any procedures that you have written I would like 
to see 
> them if you don't mine or even use them with your permission of 
course. 

Well, if you looked on Aminet::dev/amos you might find a file 
called ProcLib3.0, which is a library of all kinds of usefull 
procedures (compiled by Andrew Church). Maybe you could send Andy 
your Fsel-extension for inclusion.

Branko Collin
bcollin@mpi.nl



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From: Greg Cox <gcox@crash.cts.com>
Subject: SoundTracker2_3.AMOS
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Can some one out there send me a UUENCODED copy of:

SoundTracker2_3.AMOS (or SoundTracker2_2.AMOS)

Thanx!



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Hello all. !! 

I don't have permission to ftp outside our company "Ericsson Telecom" but as youcan see we do have e-mail and news. I wonder if there exist any listserver for Amos-programs so that i can get them through mail.. ????


Anders Edfors. Sweden.

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From: "stud.ass." <bcollin@mpi.nl>
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On Wed, 3 Aug 1994 10:57:06 PDT stud.ass. wrote:

> On Sun, 31 Jul 1994 21:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Greg Cox wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> > dev/amos drawer to begin with. I'm sure there are many others 
> > out there as myself who do, so don't let that discourage you 
> > from sending your work to the Aminet or any other programs that 
> > have been written with AMOS. 
> > That's what the directory is there for (dev/amos), just for
> > AMOS programs for AMOS owners and user's !! 
> > 
> 
> A roommate's girlfriend recently gave a 'psychedelic' party and I 
> provided the 'computer visuals'. First I thought I could get 
enough 
> demos to show the whole evening, but most demos on Aminet seem to 
> be all vector graphics and scrolly messages of sub-adolescent 
> standard, so I knocked something up in Amos to show between the 
few 
> useful demos I could find. I would post this programme to the net 
> if my computer would not still be in the room of my roommate's 
> girlfriend, who is still on vacation.
> 
> > P.S If you have any procedures that you have written I would
> > like to see them if you don't mine or even use them with your > 
> permission of course. 
> 
> Well, if you looked on Aminet::dev/amos you might find a file 
> called ProcLib3.0, which is a library of all kinds of usefull 
> procedures (compiled by Andrew Church). Maybe you could send Andy 
> your Fsel-extension for inclusion.
> 

Which reminds me, I used the two AMAL-procedures in the Procedure 
Library as the basis for my pschydelic programme. The ProcLib IS 
being used!!! As soon as I have got my Ami back I will upload the 
source as v.001 to dev/amos on Aminet. That may not be before 
september however. The executable final version might find its way 
also there, if I ever get to finish it.

Branko Collin
bcollin@mpi.nl 



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From: Greg Cox <gcox@crash.cts.com>
Subject: SoundTracker2_3.AMOS
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The one your thinking of Paul is SoundTracker2_1.AMOS there is an update 
out there that debugged all the bugs out of it, if someone has it please 
send me a copy of it.

Thanx!

P.S. I would just like to have the updated version in my collection and 
for me too use since I have or can find very little AMOS stuph out there 
in San Diego. If anyone has any other killer utilities, accessories, 
extensions that they have made, or games for that matter feel free to 
send them to the Aminet or mail me a UUENCODED copy of it.

Greg
gcox@ctsnet.cts.com



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Subject: Copper and Blitter
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 94 11:43:37 +0900
From: OdaMan the AMIGA <odaman@rocky.unoke.pfu.fujitsu.co.jp>
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Hi all.

I have AGA machine, so I tried 24bit copper on AMOSPro.  My AMOSPro
does not support AGA, so I used custom-copper list.  And I watched
very beautiful copper, but there is FATAL probrem.

		    I became can't use Bob!!

Is there nice way??  I programmed with AMOS's sample program(there
is simple copper sample program).

Thanks!!
---
Tetsuo Oda (OdaMan de PON the AMIGA/ATARI 8bit/MSX)



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Date: Thu, 4 Aug 1994 08:55:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: How to Copper
To: Sam Washburn <samw@meteor.wisc.edu>
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On Tue, 2 Aug 1994, Sam Washburn wrote:

> Copper Experts:
> 	I want to learn to program the copper.  I saw a short little 
> program in the turbo plus demos that uses only the copper to wobble the 
> screen back and forth.  I browsed the code, but its all hex. no comments 
> or anything.  I have a couple questions.
> 1.  What kinds of things is the copper in charge in the system?
> 2.  Is there a comprehensive list of copper instructions somewhere?
> 3.  I've heard of an 8-way copper scroller(i.e. for games)  can this be 
> implemented in amos?

Yes, and Manuel is working on it - it will probably be copperwrap 
(vertical wrapping of a bitmap, top wraps to bottom), combined with 
screen offset.  This means no blitter, and lots of speed.

other than this, i don't know much about the blitter.

Ryan
PLAYFIELD!



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Is there some way to load or display dctv pictures using AMOS?  AMOS 
says it can't load it.  Its my understanding that DCTV pics are 
regular pictures, but decoded by the hardware.  Is there some way to do this?

Ryan, PLAYFIELD!


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From: Dominic Ramsey <dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk>
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I have just received this letter from Europress....

----------

Dear Dominic

Re: AMOS Professional

Thank you for your letter with reference to the above software.

Further to your query, we advise you that the AMOS Professional source
code will not become Public Domain.

Should you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to contact us.


Yours sincerely,

Stuart Cartwright
Techical Services.

---------

I guess that's the end of that idea then!


--
Dominic Ramsey
dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk


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From: Scott Southurst <maverick@deakin.edu.au>
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Just a really quick irrelivant kinda letter, for those who are 
interested.  The final bids for the Amiga Technology are in place and the 
highest bidder was ... wait for it ... NOT Samsung (They are crap 
anyway), but Commodore!!!?!?!???  It seems that Commodore UK have an 
interest in the Amiga.  I wonder why? 8)

 #######################################################################
 # @@   @  @@   @@   @@   Scott Southurst <---> maverick@deakin.edu.au #
 #@  @ @@ @  @ @  @ @  @       Aquatic Biology/Computer Science        #
 #@  @  @    @ @  @ @  @             Amiga A1200 40 Meg HD             #
 #@ @@  @   @  @  @ @  @ GVP A1230 Turbo+ 40MHz with 68882 FPU + 4 Meg #
 #@  @  @  @   @  @ @  @      AMOS v1.36, Compiler v1.36, AMOS 3D      #
 #@  @  @ @@@@  @@   @@     Deakin University Warrnambool Australia    #
 #######################################################################
  (C) 1994. This letter is for viewing by the intended recipients only.


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From: Dominic Ramsey <dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk>
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I thought you may be interested in this letter received by Commodore's
UK distributors this morning.

I seem to be forwarding a lot of letters today! :)

Dom

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Over the past few months the speculation about Commodore, and in particular
about the future of the Amiga, has been rife.

I would like to put "the record straight" so to speak, and bring you up to
date as to the latest position.

Our parent company, Commodore International Limited, and its subsidiary
Commodore Electronics Limited, are both in liquidation, under the
jurisdiction of the Bahamian Courts (C.I.L. and C.E.L. are both
registered in the Bahamas).

The liquidators, Delliotte Touche, are actively seeking to sell the assets
of both C.I.L. and C.E.L.

There are a number of bids in place for various combinations of the assets.
Colin Proudfoot and I, along with two senior executives of commodore
International (but not Mehdi Ali) have made a bid, which if successful
will give us the rights to manufacture, sell and market the whole range of
Commodore Products, past, present and future, on a world-wide basis.

We have raised the necessary finance and believe we will be successful
in our to purchase this business. If we are successful, we will give
priority to our core business, the UK and ensure that the loyalty that has
been shown to us will be rewarded.

Our budgets do include a significant level of advertising spoend, which
we will use to the very best effect.

The Amiga CD32, Amiga 1200, Amiga 4000 and CD 1200 will be produced and
sold during the Christmas period.  It is anticipated that if all goes to
schedule, we will be delivering product around the first week of November,
possible the second week.

It is our belief that by far the majority of retailers will be out of 
current stock by the end of September/early October, so there will
only be a short delay before new bundles arrive.

Rest assured, our plans include the best packs we have ever offered.

I know these are trying times for us all, but I give you my personal
word that we are doing everything in our power to ensure that not only
do we keep the Amiga family alive, but that we also lift the brand up
to its righful place at the top of the market where it belongs.

Thank you for your highly valued support, without which we would not have
a business worth fighting for.

Very best wishes

signed

David Pleasance
Managing Director
Sales & Marketing

---------------------------------------------------------------------


--
Dominic Ramsey
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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
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On Fri, 5 Aug 1994, Dominic Ramsey wrote:

> I have just received this letter from Europress....
> 
> ----------
> 
> Dear Dominic
> 
> Re: AMOS Professional
> 
> Thank you for your letter with reference to the above software.
> 
> Further to your query, we advise you that the AMOS Professional source
> code will not become Public Domain.
> 
> Should you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to contact us.
> 
> 
> Yours sincerely,
> 
> Stuart Cartwright
> Techical Services.
> 
> ---------
> 
> I guess that's the end of that idea then!
> 
> 
> --
> Dominic Ramsey
> dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk
> 

They wouldn't tell you about it now.  You have to go higher than the 
letter answerer to get real information.  Its just Francois' idea right 
now, he may not have even suggested to anyone in europress yet.

I wouldn't discount it yet.





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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
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Does anyone have the phone number for Len & Anne Tucker (official pd, 
totally amos?)

Len called me but didn't leave a current number.

Thanks

Ryan


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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
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On Tue, 26 Jul 1994, Dominic Ramsey wrote:

> I agree, but whatever they release will have the Europress name on it. I
> don't think they particularly want rogue versions of AMOS - with their 
> name on - wiping people's hard disks etc.

Yes, unless they release the source PD.  PD means PD, unless there are 
restrictions to it.
Who know what the heck they'll do...

I wonder the legalities of making something that replaced (or patched) 
parts of amos system....

ryan



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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
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is there an email address we can write to?  nice one, dominic...

Ryan



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Date: 27 Jul 94 10:35 +0200
From: Angel Alvarez <angel@labein.es>
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
Message-Id: <119*angel@labein.es>
Subject: Hello and Help
Return-Receipt-To: Angel Alvarez <angel@labein.es>
Status: RO

Hello everybody:

Recently I've joined to the list and this is my first message.

My name is Angel and I am 26 years old. Yes, Michael, I am (and live) in Spain.
I am the only spanish-man in the list? :-(

I am working in a game with AMOS Pro v1.12, but I've a problem with the bobs
and their colours. At the end of this message, I include a part of my program.
It loads the bobs and a graphic. You can move the bob with the mouse and change
the bob's image pressing the space bar. The problem is related with the bob. It
changes its colour on several parts of the screen. Why? It's a bug of AMOS? I
could be wrong? If someone can help me, please, email-me to angel@labein.es.
Thanks in advance.

What version of TurboPlus is included in CU Amiga?

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From: "(((KV)))" <Kimmo.Veijalainen@lut.fi>
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On Fri, 5 Aug 1994, Scott Southurst wrote:

> Just a really quick irrelivant kinda letter, for those who are 
> interested.  The final bids for the Amiga Technology are in place and the 
> highest bidder was ... wait for it ... NOT Samsung (They are crap 
> anyway), but Commodore!!!?!?!???  It seems that Commodore UK have an 
> interest in the Amiga.  I wonder why? 8)

I bet that C= Germany and C= Canada are backing up C= UK.

Ok, about the updated LDos:
Version number jumped from 2.5 to 2.6.
LAnsi now supports 16-color ANSI escape code sequences.
There is a new C-like Lstrcmp-function for comparing strings.
And a couple of other little things... Can't remember them all.
Except that according to the docs, AmosPro trashes memory if the dir$ 
when a program exits is not the same it  was when the program was 
run. Someone check this out :-) Might explain some weird Amos crashes.


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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
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ach!  I screwed up and lost the file about commodore from c=uk.  Does 
anyone have a copy they can forward to me? Sorry to be a pest. 
While you're at it, cc: a copy to witbrock@cs.cmu.edu and go check out 
his web site-

http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001/Web/People/mjw/Computer/Amiga/MainPage.html

Go there with mosaic for a nice colorful treat!

Ryan




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Hey,

Why do I get all the Amos mail double?????

----------------------------------------------------------------
Jurgen Valks
Email: j.valks@hsbos.nl

Systems: Amiga 2000, 4Mb, 49Hd working as a fileserver
         Amiga 1200, 6Mb, 120Hd 68030 40Mhz.
         PC 486-DX33, 8mb, 210Hd
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I know this is off the topic, but I am interested if anyone has ever created
anything with either:

o Pinball Power
o Wargame Construction Set

If so, then I would like to see your work. Send them to me via uuencoded
e-mail or upload them to a ftp site, but specify which one you sent it too.

Thanx!




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From: "(((KV)))" <Kimmo.Veijalainen@lut.fi>
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On Sat, 6 Aug 1994, j.valks wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> Why do I get all the Amos mail double?????

Because it has something to do with Amos, it doesn't work as it should :-)

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From: Dominic Ramsey <dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk>
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Hi Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
   In <Pine.3.87.9408051803.B100168-0100000@inca.gate.net> you wrote:
> 
> is there an email address we can write to?  nice one, dominic...
> 
> Ryan
> 

Sorry, no. It was posted by a dealer on my local amiga ip.support
newsgroup. (With Commodore UK's permission)
 

--
Dominic Ramsey
dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk


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From: Darryl_Lewis@comlink.mpx.com.au (Darryl Lewis)
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
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Status: RO

Grrr.......
I've got a problem with opening a window in amos.
I'm using the Interface resouce, ie, a few buttons and and Active list as
the main screen. I wanted a window to open on this screen with some info
for the user at certain events.
The problem is that the area under the screen does not appear to be saved.
When I close the window(I only open 1) it does not remove itself from the
screen.
I can only get the window to remove itself by using 2 wind close commands.
ie. 
    palette , $a86,,,,
    paper 2
    <interface program bits here>
    ............
    wind save
    wind open <parameters>
    print "message text string in here"
    wait key
    wind close: rem nothing happens!! The window still exists!
    wind close: rem window closes but the saved window is not restored!

This clears the window, but leaves me with a black rectangle on the screen.

It only seems to happen when using the interface. Opening a screen and
saving windows work Ok otherwise, even when I change the paper palette.

I'm stuck...
Any ideas? Is it another bug? Can I work around it? How?
Please help as another sleepless night will do me no good.:-[

Darryl_Lewis@comlink.mpx.com.au
 

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From: M D Cox <mcox>
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Subject: XPK
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I know this is off topic, but does anyone use XPK on their hard drive to
compress files?  I am running out of hard disk space and want to compress as
much as I can, like in the MSDOS Stacker world.  What do I need to get?

Thanks!

Mike
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From: Dominic Ramsey <dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk>
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Hi Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
   In <Pine.3.87.9407261445.A73803-0100000@inca.gate.net> you wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Jul 1994, Dominic Ramsey wrote:
> 
> > I agree, but whatever they release will have the Europress name on it. I
> > don't think they particularly want rogue versions of AMOS - with their 
> > name on - wiping people's hard disks etc.
> 
> Yes, unless they release the source PD.  PD means PD, unless there are 
> restrictions to it.
> Who know what the heck they'll do...
> 
> I wonder the legalities of making something that replaced (or patched) 
> parts of amos system....
> 
> ryan
> 

That shouldn't be a problem, as long as you don't distribute any of
the original AMOS code in your patch.


--
Dominic Ramsey
dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk


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From: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu (Andy Church)
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>I know this is off topic, but does anyone use XPK on their hard drive to
>compress files?  I am running out of hard disk space and want to compress as
>much as I can, like in the MSDOS Stacker world.  What do I need to get?

  I use it all over the place.  My entire sounds/music partition is
compressed, as well as various directories (including the assembler/C
include files, which I use in my Intuition Extension... see, I managed to
thread AMOS into it! :-) ) on my main partition.

  To use it, download util/pack/xpk25usr.lha from AmiNet, along with any
other compressors there that you want (SQSH is good for sound samples).
It's full of instructions on how to set it up.

  --Andy Church

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Subject: New Game on Aminet
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Look for fleetv1.lha under game/think.  It is a tactical star fleet battle
like game.

Mike
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Subject: Europress Fax?
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Does anyone have Europress' fax number?  Thanks!

Mike
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I'mmmmmm back. (And loaded with new AMOS programs, so you better read all
of this crap or missout, as I've burried the announcments deep in this
message). There's also replies to many of the messages of the past few weeks.



"Please send me a uuencoded copy of ..."
========================================

I've noticed a lot of these messages recently. Can I say to the recievers /
senders or "..." to upload it to /dev/amos, if it's legal. Or, if you can't
upload to aminet, mail it to someone who can (E.g. Me, if you can wait a
week or so for my next visit to college, Mike Cox, Ryan Scott, etc. (Who
I'm sure will thank me profusely for volenteering them...)).

Greg Cox, upload dump, if you haven't already, and that Sound Tracker if
it turns up.





Parrallel port address
======================

It's in the $BFExxx or $DFFxxx range somewhere, but can you just use 
Open Port "PAR:", then the normal IO commands?




'Psychedelic Parties'
=====================

I have this vision of about 14 people trying to dance in a 10ft. by
14ft. bedroom in front of a 14inch portable T.V. flashing pinky purpley
sort of colours. As for the computer in the roommates girlfriends
apartment, I found a guide to lock picking on cybernet (Sorry to all those
intelligent computer users for using the that prefix) complete with
diagrams, and execises.





Legalities of something that patched / replaced parts of the AMOS system
========================================================================

I don't see that it could be illegal, as long as you don't distribute
parts of europresses code. Differicult, but not illegal...






Amiga E V3.0
============

I agree that E is a rather nice programming language, but if anyone has
managed to get MUI Builder to work with E, please let me know how - I
seem to have an mui.m file missing. Also, Andy, is it possible to get
the intuition extension to support MUI?



http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001/Web/People/mjw/Computer/Amiga/MainPage.html
======================================================================


You can also get aminet via mosaic, and to this page from aminet. Just
http to the /pub/aminet/info/www drawer of your local mirror, if that
site supports WWW.




XPK
===


You need the XPK compression package on aminet in /util/pack. Also, there
is an XPK archiver package which is brand new, and introduces XPK
archives. The XPK compressios package includes an XFH file handler which
mounts a device name to a directory, which is similar to assigning to
a directory, but when you use the XFH device name, the file is (de)compressed
with an XPK packer first.

>From AMOS, Easylife has commnands to save/load XPK data without using XFH.
Also, whoever was writting the program to load powerpacked AMOS programs
into the AMOS editor,

 a) Is it done yet?

 b) Any chance of converting it to use XPK.





Easylife Problem (Grrrrr.....)
==============================

Well, the problem is not with Easylife, which is the extension, but with
the variable checker. This is one of only 2 replies I got about the
variable checker - has anyone else used it? Did it work? (Mail me, not
the list). As for the problem code, I can't say what causes it offhand
without looking at my source, but it is probably because it didn't 
consider infix operators such as 'mod' in the first part of an If. Anyone
else find problems, or are you all too scared to check your old programs?

However, Mike Cox has found a real easylife bug in the Elin Get command.
Anyone else notice anything???



My New Uploads
==============

Here's the important bit - 2 new programs:

 - Zone Editor V3.0. The AMOSPro version of zone editor, complete with zoom
   mode, and the ability to read/write set zone commands  in your source
   code.

 - Editor enhancer. Replace the AMOS Pro editors crippled search & replace
   with something that works, and add a few new features to the editor.
   
 - An Improved default resource bank, and documentation on which elements
   to use for which purposes.

All of it is in the file ZoneEditor3.0 in /dev/amos (Or it will be
eventually) on aminet. Have fun....

 




Is there an aminet listserv?
============================

Here's the full information on how to connect to src.doc.ic.ac.uk. Aminet
files are in /pub/aminet.

Access Methods
--------------

        UK VMS Users please note:-

        The FTP program under VMS is *** NOT *** internet FTP it is
        niftp.  So please use the "guest niftp" instructions below.


*   Anonymous ftp (command usually ftp):

          host: src.doc.ic.ac.uk        [155.198.1.40]
          user: anonymous
          pass: your email address
          type: binary

*   Interactive (via telnet, pad):

        For general browsing,

          host:            src.doc.ic.ac.uk
          host janet:      00000510200001
          host internet:   155.198.1.40
          host IXI:        204334504108
          login:           sources

        Archie users use,

          host:            archie.doc.ic.ac.uk
          host janet:      00000510200002
          host internet:   155.198.1.40
          host IXI:        204334504108
          login:           archie

*   Email:

        An ftp script can be emailed to ftpmail@doc.ic.ac.uk
        and the results of any dir's or get's will be  emailed back.

        For further details please see the section below at the end
        of this file.

*   Gopher:

          host: gopher.doc.ic.ac.uk     [155.198.1.40]

*   WWW:

          host: www.doc.ic.ac.uk        [155.198.1.40]
        
*   Guest niftp (command usually called  cpf, hhcp, fcp):

          host: uk.ac.ic.doc.src        [janet 000005102000]
          user: anonymous
          pass: your email address
          Type:                         binary or text as appropriate
          Filename: <PUB>filename       e.g. this file is: <PUB>README

*   Anon ftam (command usually ftam):

          host janet:      000005102000
          host internet:   146.169.2.1
          host IXI:        204334504108
          user:            anon
          filestore:       unix

FTPmail Information
-------------------

Valid commands to the ftpmail gateway are:

    reply-to email-address      Who to send the response to.  Defaults to your
                                incoming email address.

    open [site [user [pass]]]   Site to ftp to.  Defaults are

                                    src.doc.ic.ac.uk anonymous reply-to-address

    cd pathname                 Change directory.

    ls [pathname]               Short listing of pathname. Default pathname is
                                the current directory.

    dir [pathname]              Long listing of pathname. Default pathname is
                                the current directory.

   get pathname                get a file and email it back.

    compress                    compress files/dir-listings before emailing back

    uuencode                    These are mutually exclusive options for
    btoa                        converting a binary file before emailing.
                                The Default is uuencode.

    force uuencode              Force all files or directory listings to
    force btoa                  be encoded before sending back.
                                There is no default.

    mode binary                 Change the mode selected for the get command.
    mode ascii                  The default is binary.

   quit                        End of input - ignore any lines following.


Note that src.doc.ic.ac.uk (the default site) supports scanning for files
by pattern, use

        ls -sf:pattern
e.g.
        ls -sf:emacs-18.58.tar.Z


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Hello, I have two questions:

Can Amos know the size in bytes of a file? (Amos the creator 1.36)

What happen with turbo extension, intuition extension and aga extension?

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From: Greg Cox <gcox@crash.cts.com>
Subject: Looking for ...
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
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IF any one out there has a copy of the following items could you send me 
a uuencoded copy to:

                          gcox@ctsnet.cts.com

I'm looking for:

- FontBankMaker Pro
- LadyBug Mapper (For the LadyBug game)
- APro Rainbow Maker
- Any kind of Plasma or Fractal programs done in AMOS or AMOSPro
- RAMOSPro
- CrossFire (TARG arcade clone NTSC version)
- Arcadia (ARKNOID aracde clone)
- ScrollingMapDefiner
- DUMP Extension (If one exist)

Thanx! 

Only send it if it is freely distributable, as I'm am not sure if any or all
of the above are or not.




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Which is the best game ever written in Amos?
Is it PD?
Where can I get it?
_

_________________________
Hugo Ramses Moreno Ramos
     Universidad de Guadalajara
     Direccion de Sistemas de Informacion
     Diseno y Multimedia

ramses@redudg.udg.mx

"You don't know what are you loosing when you haven't an Amiga"

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Does someone know adresses of other lists where I can ask tech questions 
about the Amiga?
__________________________
Hugo Ramses Moreno Ramos
     Universidad de Guadalajara
     Direccion de Sistemas de Informacion
     Diseno y Multimedia

ramses@redudg.udg.mx

"You don't know what are you loosing when you haven't an Amiga"

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>Can Amos know the size in bytes of a file? (Amos the creator 1.36)
Yes, the LOF() returns bytes.

>What happen with turbo extension, intuition extension and aga extension?
TURBO PLUS is commercial, Intuition is shareware(?), and AGA is still being
worked on as far as I know.

Mike
-- 
Michael Cox                             Work:   mcox@access.digex.net
A1200/120 w/1230XA 50/50/4 = SPEED!     Play:   aj639@Cleveland.FreeNet.EDU
             For info on the AMOS Mailing List, contact me!
             For AMOS Pro news, finger mcox@access.digex.net

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On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, Paul Hickman wrote:

> "Please send me a uuencoded copy of ..."
> ========================================
> 
> I've noticed a lot of these messages recently. Can I say to the recievers /
> senders or "..." to upload it to /dev/amos, if it's legal. Or, if you can't
> upload to aminet, mail it to someone who can (E.g. Me, if you can wait a
> week or so for my next visit to college, Mike Cox, Ryan Scott, etc. (Who
> I'm sure will thank me profusely for volenteering them...)).

You know I'd like to have a separate listserv where we could upload all 
our files....  I don't mind getting a few megs a day (I don't have a 
quota! but many folks wouldn't have trouble with a meg or two they can 
delete if they don't want)....

Does anyone agree (I think greg cox wouldn't mind and I'd like it)???

I could host the listserv - but maybe theres an easier way to do this.  
I just hate having to dig through a site for what I want I like to get it 
in the mail.  Maybe I'm just a baby. ;-)

Hmm... I was just thinking - how many people are on this list?  Only a 
core of about 10 people do all the yapping.  Come on folks dont be shy!

>Anyone else find problems, or are you all too scared to check your old 
programs?

Yeah, well it found things I left in there on purpose... I guess thats 
the way it goes.  I like mostly to watch it work. 


> All of it is in the file ZoneEditor3.0 in /dev/amos (Or it will be
> eventually) on aminet. Have fun....

oh can you send it to me?!??!?!  

> *   Guest niftp (command usually called  cpf, hhcp, fcp):

dear internet god,

	what are there things?  I've not heard of these programs - whats 
the deal with them - would I want them on our system where I work (we 
provide internet access and I want us the best of course)...

> *   Anon ftam (command usually ftam):

and this too?





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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
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On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, Moreno Ramos, H. Rames UDGDCA wrote:

> 
> Hello, I have two questions:
> 
> Can Amos know the size in bytes of a file? (Amos the creator 1.36)
> 
> What happen with turbo extension, intuition extension and aga extension?
> 

You can get the file size this way: (easiest way)
I'm doing this from memory, btw, might not work first time ;-)

f$=filename
If Exist(f$)
	Open In 1,f$
	L=Lof(1)
	Close 1
Else
	file doesn't exist
Endif

l = the length of the file, 0 if none


About TURBO PLUS, Intuition, AGA - well TURBO PLUS and Intuition are 
going to work together to bring you AGA!  Intuition is displaying the 
screens and TURBO PLUS is slamming AGA icons on them superfast!  

Its all in progress - look for release sometime in the future.

Meantime support our work with your cash dollars and suggestions!  Thats the 
best way to insure it keeps going.

Ryan
PLAYFIELD!



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> Does anyone have Europress' fax number?  Thanks!
> 
> Mike
> -- 
> Michael Cox                             Work:   mcox@access.digex.net
> A1200/120 w/1230XA 50/50/4 = SPEED!     Play:   aj639@Cleveland.FreeNet.EDU
>              For info on the AMOS Mailing List, contact me!
>              For AMOS Pro news, finger mcox@access.digex.net

Um...

+44 (0)625 879962

...unless they've changed it recently


--
Dominic Ramsey
dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk


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Mike,

> Does anyone have Europress' fax number?  Thanks!

Following my previous mailing, here is the Europress fax number
you're wanting. Just add the US international code before;

                       +44-625-879962

BTW, the receptionist didn't sound stupid. She sounded quite nice
really ;^)

Hope this work.

TTFN.

"Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast"--Red Dwarf

--
Gareth Edwards, Leeds, England, Europe. E-mail: config@ultim.demon.co.uk

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> Is there some way to load or display dctv pictures using AMOS?  AMOS 
> says it can't load it.  Its my understanding that DCTV pics are 
> regular pictures, but decoded by the hardware.  Is there some way to do this?

I always thought that was the case, too.  What error message does AMOS 
give?  Maybe DCTV Paint (or whatever source the pictures are from) 
doesn't save in IFF - will DPaint load the pictures?  If not, send me one 
and I'll see if I can decipher it...

> Ryan, PLAYFIELD!


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On Thu, 28 Jul 1994, Greg Cox wrote:

> IF any one out there has a copy of the following items could you send me 
> a uuencoded copy to:
> 
>                           gcox@ctsnet.cts.com
> 
> I'm looking for:
> 
> - FontBankMaker Pro
> - LadyBug Mapper (For the LadyBug game)
> - APro Rainbow Maker
> - Any kind of Plasma or Fractal programs done in AMOS or AMOSPro
> - RAMOSPro
> - CrossFire (TARG arcade clone NTSC version)
> - Arcadia (ARKNOID aracde clone)
> - ScrollingMapDefiner
> - DUMP Extension (If one exist)

Haven't I send you the file already?????

> 
> Thanx! 
> 
> Only send it if it is freely distributable, as I'm am not sure if any or all
> of the above are or not.
> 
> 
> 



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From: "John W. McNab III" <nwpd@connected.com>
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Hi all,

Next week, (Aug. 15+)  NorthWest Public Domain will be receiving CDPD 4, 
CD disc number 4 in the excellent series by Almathera.

"A new CD? Big deal."  Ah, but this one is a big deal, it contains the 
AMOS PD library up through about disk 600.

To all nonbelievers, this CD will be $19.95 US, but for all the members 
of the amos-list we are going to special price it at $16.95.  That's 
right call me, say you saw it on the list, give me your email address, 
and get $3.00 knocked off the price.

John
NorthWest Public Domain
(206)351-9502
and yes, we accept Visa / MasterCard


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On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, M D Cox wrote:

> >Can Amos know the size in bytes of a file? (Amos the creator 1.36)
> Yes, the LOF() returns bytes.
> 
> >What happen with turbo extension, intuition extension and aga extension?
> TURBO PLUS is commercial, Intuition is shareware(?), and AGA is still being
> worked on as far as I know.

Actually, Intuition is commercial and AGA is not being worked on 
anymore as a standalone product.  But Intuition does AGA and TURBO PLUS 
is working with Intuition to be completely AGA.  Right now you can't do 
totally AGA stuff, but in the near future, yes.  Look for it soon.

Ryan


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> Does anyone have Europress' fax number?  Thanks!
> 
> Mike
> -- 
> Michael Cox                             Work:   mcox@access.digex.net
> A1200/120 w/1230XA 50/50/4 = SPEED!     Play:   aj639@Cleveland.FreeNet.EDU
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Um...

+44 (0)625 879962

...unless they've changed it recently


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On Tue, 9 Aug 1994 20:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Ryan Scott wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, Paul Hickman wrote:
> 
> > "Please send me a uuencoded copy of ..."
> > ========================================
> > 
> > I've noticed a lot of these messages recently. Can I say to the 
> > recievers / senders or "..." to upload it to /dev/amos, if it's
> > legal. Or, if you can't upload to aminet, mail it to someone
> > who can (E.g. Me, if you can wait a week or so for my next
> > visit to college, Mike Cox, Ryan Scott, etc. (Who I'm sure will
> > thank me profusely for volenteering them...)).
> 
> You know I'd like to have a separate listserv where we could
> upload all our files....  I don't mind getting a few megs a day
> (I don't have a quota! but many folks wouldn't have trouble with
> a meg or two they can delete if they don't want)....
> 
> Does anyone agree (I think greg cox wouldn't mind and I'd like
> it)???
> 
> I could host the listserv - but maybe theres an easier way to do
> this. I just hate having to dig through a site for what I want I
> like to get it in the mail.  Maybe I'm just a baby. ;-)
> 

I may be wrong, but are you not offering a free extra service to 
amos-list subscribers? How could I disagree? :-)

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If anyone has been getting duplicates of my post .. the one where I was 
requesting for some programs, well I have no idea why it keeps showing up 
on the list as I posted it along time ago and it just showed up again, 
very strange indeed. So just ignore it, thanx!



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Thanx for re-sending the "amfiles.lha" again as you mentioned my first 
one was corrupted as I am not using ELM, but instead using PINE.

Thanx! again

Greg



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 Yoo!

 Does anybody have 'AMOS Professional' manual on disk?

I DO have a legal version of AMOS PRO bought from my local dealer.

I DO have a manual in the form of a book, but I am NOT so keen on

typing the manual into ascii format.

If YOU have a manual, please mail it unpacked in ascii to me directly.

BTW...English is not my native language.

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On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, Ryan Scott wrote:

> 
> Hmm... I was just thinking - how many people are on this list?  Only a 
> core of about 10 people do all the yapping.  Come on folks dont be shy!
> 

You see, the problem lies with lectures. They think that none of us have a
life so they can give us as much work as they please....

Maciek.




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>Anyone else find problems, or are you all too scared to check your old 
>programs?
I checked mine, but did not have any problems.

>> *   Anon ftam (command usually ftam):
>and this too?
FTAM is GOSIP for File Transfer Asomething Management.  At least that is the
only FTAM that I know of.  Not very popular, I think.

Mike
-- 
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Currently, 137 people are subscribed.

Mike
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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Best Program
To: "Moreno Ramos, H. Rames UDGDCA" <Ramses@redudg.udg.mx>
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On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, Moreno Ramos, H. Rames UDGDCA wrote:

> 
> Which is the best game ever written in Amos?
> Is it PD?
> Where can I get it?

Thats a tough one - I vote for Scorched Tanks.  I like Roach Motel, but 
thats because I wrote it.  

Wanna take votes on this?

I think Scortched Tanks is on Aminet somewhere - a newer version is 
on L!AB (305) 456-126.    I have it in my library btw.

And please re: uploading to Aminet - please don't send things to me to 
get uploaded to Aminet.

Ryan


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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: other lists
To: "Moreno Ramos, H. Rames UDGDCA" <Ramses@redudg.udg.mx>
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On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, Moreno Ramos, H. Rames UDGDCA wrote:

> 
> Does someone know adresses of other lists where I can ask tech questions 
> about the Amiga?

Lots of amiga newsgroups exist.  USENET -   do you have acccess to this 
resource?

Ryan


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 Yo!

 Where can I find plenty of AMOS PD?

I have already downloaded everything on Aminet!

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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
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On Wed, 10 Aug 1994, Mr M Sawicki wrote:

> 
> 
> On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, Ryan Scott wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hmm... I was just thinking - how many people are on this list?  Only a 
> > core of about 10 people do all the yapping.  Come on folks dont be shy!
> > 
> 
> You see, the problem lies with lectures. They think that none of us have a
> life so they can give us as much work as they please....
> 
> Maciek.

Well you know, maybe I can come to university and teach some amos classes 
- give you lots of amos related homework - "Scan the net for AMOS!" 
"Deluge all newsgroups with AMOS propaganda!"

ryan


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Thanks to all.

I (and my brother) are finishing a game, it is really good, only
one problem... will be shareware, or will be Freeware? we think the best
option is freeware, and if somebody want, could send, no money, best
a postal, or anyting.

I asked about the best program written in amos because i think our program
can be one of these, well you will see it latter. Maybe in one or two weeks 
I
will upload it to Aminet, is called Chaneques.
__________________________
Hugo Ramses Moreno Ramos
     Universidad de Guadalajara
     Direccion de Sistemas de Informacion
     Diseno y Multimedia

ramses@redudg.udg.mx

"From Mexico to the world"

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Please Add a little sing in the bottom of your messages,
When I read one, the header only says "From Amos-request"
(I think because I use Microsoft Mail) and I sometimes I don't
know who really send the message.

__________________________
Hugo Ramses Moreno Ramos
     Universidad de Guadalajara
     Direccion de Sistemas de Informacion
     Diseno y Multimedia

ramses@redudg.udg.mx

"You don't know what are you loosing when you haven't an Amiga"

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Thanx for sending me your FontBankMaker Neil, it is very impressive the gfx
is outstanding ... however what's the easiest way to convert it to work 
within NTSC as it is too big and doesn't fit on my monitor in NTSC mode ? 
It looks like you have it pre-config for PAL.

I also don't think I got the Twilight ZOne program you talked about as 
the only thing I got in the UUENCODED file was the FontBankMaker program. 
Also I can get large E-Mail UUENCODED files as well since I am connected 
to the Internet with full access, so the file size isn't a problem :)

Thanx! again

Greg



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Is anybody else out there running AMOS under Kickstart 3.1.

I've only just noticed, but AMOS won't display interlaced screens properly
on my KS3.1 A500+. It worked fine with KS2.0. All I get is a non-interlaced
screen that jumps up and down.

I've only tried this with AMOS Pro at the moment, but I presume AMOS v1.36
will be the same.


--
Dominic Ramsey
dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk


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>  Yoo!
> 
>  Does anybody have 'AMOS Professional' manual on disk?
> 
> I DO have a legal version of AMOS PRO bought from my local dealer.
> 
> I DO have a manual in the form of a book, but I am NOT so keen on
> 
> typing the manual into ascii format.
> 
> If YOU have a manual, please mail it unpacked in ascii to me directly.
> 
> BTW...English is not my native language.

The AMOS Pro manual is copyrighted, and may not be distributed in ANY
form without written permission from Europress.

I don't think anyone but Europress has it on disk anyway.


--
Dominic Ramsey
dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk


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  About the file listserv idea - I'm all for it!

  --Andy Church

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On Wed, 10 Aug 1994, Ryan Scott wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wed, 10 Aug 1994, Mr M Sawicki wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, Ryan Scott wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Hmm... I was just thinking - how many people are on this list?  Only a 
> > > core of about 10 people do all the yapping.  Come on folks dont be shy!
> > > 
> > 
> > You see, the problem lies with lectures. They think that none of us have a
> > life so they can give us as much work as they please....
> > 
> > Maciek.
> 
> Well you know, maybe I can come to university and teach some amos classes 
> - give you lots of amos related homework - "Scan the net for AMOS!" 
> "Deluge all newsgroups with AMOS propaganda!"
> 
> ryan
> 

That would be nice but for some reason most of the people around here
prefer c++ but why?????




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From: Paul Reece <preece@slick.clare.tased.edu.au>
Subject: Re: File size
To: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
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On Wed, 10 Aug 1994, Ryan Scott wrote:

> 
> 
> On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, M D Cox wrote:
> 
> > >Can Amos know the size in bytes of a file? (Amos the creator 1.36)
> > Yes, the LOF() returns bytes.
> > 
> > >What happen with turbo extension, intuition extension and aga extension?
> > TURBO PLUS is commercial, Intuition is shareware(?), and AGA is still being
> > worked on as far as I know.
> 
> Actually, Intuition is commercial and AGA is not being worked on 
> anymore as a standalone product.  But Intuition does AGA and TURBO PLUS 
> is working with Intuition to be completely AGA.  Right now you can't do 
> totally AGA stuff, but in the near future, yes.  Look for it soon.

And EME works fine on AGA machines, and works fine on accelerated 
machines... and is commercial...  ;-)

> 
> Ryan
> 

 - Paul

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From: "Richard Stitson (Genetics)" <rnms@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: dctv
To: MenTaT - !Productions <mentat@sefl.satelnet.org>
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On Thu, 4 Aug 1994, MenTaT - !Productions wrote:

> > Is there some way to load or display dctv pictures using AMOS?  AMOS 
> > says it can't load it.  Its my understanding that DCTV pics are 
> > regular pictures, but decoded by the hardware.  Is there some way to do this?
> 
> I always thought that was the case, too.  What error message does AMOS 
> give?  Maybe DCTV Paint (or whatever source the pictures are from) 
> doesn't save in IFF - will DPaint load the pictures?  If not, send me one 
> and I'll see if I can decipher it...
> 
> > Ryan, PLAYFIELD!
> 
I was under the impression that DCTV pictures WERE IFF except that a 
small portion in the top corner was sacrificed to contain the special 
palette information required - DCTV Paint could then recognise this and 
display the picture in DCTV form.

Richard S.



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	Hi!  I'm looking for a way to turn a brush from Dpaint into a Bob.  The only way That I
know how to do this is to stick the bobrush onto a page and then clip it out with
the GetBob command.  Any sugjestionsjestions?

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From: Carl Wooltorton <zodiac@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>
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Mike Cox wrote:
> 
> Look for fleetv1.lha under game/think.  It is a tactical star fleet battle
> like game.
> 
I did get this down but on my A500 (1 Meg) it stops loding in the middle
of the loading screen and just sits there.  Oh well...that's one more 
PD game I won't be getting.

Carl.
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Hello everyone.  Does anyone know of an AGA Amos?
Thanks
CB

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Hi,

Very cool update to the Zone Editor accessory ... I was curious on how 
you did the routine that when you select the amostoback option from the 
ZoneEditor how did you get it to pop up a window with a close gadget and
the title in it. Could you send me a uuencoded copy of a routine that 
just does this ... that is if you want to tell me how it's done, that 
would be great :)

Thanx!

Greg
(gcox@ctsnet.cts.com)



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From: Greg Cox <gcox@crash.cts.com>
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Actually I don't need it anymore Paul, I found the routine in the Zone 
Editor that does this :)

Very kool Iconify command.




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From: Carl Wooltorton <zodiac@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>
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Subject: Re: This, that & the other.
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> Hmm... I was just thinking - how many people are on this list?  Only a 
> core of about 10 people do all the yapping.  Come on folks dont be shy!

Well I'm here, but because everyone else seems to have Amos Pro while I
only have Amos I don't get to talk much.

Carl.

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From: Greg Cox <gcox@crash.cts.com>
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Hey Ryan,

What's going on with PLAYFIELD subscriptions, I haven't gotten anything 
yet since I mailed you my subscription over a month ago ? Are the 
issue's running behind or what ?

Later

Greg



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Hi Carl,

Not really ther's alot of user's on this list that only have AMOS or both 
for that matter. I have AMOS v1.36 and AMOSPro v2.00 and still go back 
and use AMOS because there are extensions out there that are only written 
to work with AMOS v1.3x (The Creator) and not AMOSPro. So don't let that 
stop you from posting any questions about AMOS someone on the list will 
be happy to answer them for you :)

Greg
(gcox@ctsnet.cts.com)



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	Yo!

	What is this TURBO PLUS everyone is "talking" about?

	Forgive me... I'm an AMOS novice!

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>I've only just noticed, but AMOS won't display interlaced screens properly
>on my KS3.1 A500+. It worked fine with KS2.0. All I get is a non-interlaced
>screen that jumps up and down.
It could be that something has changed in 3.1 that AMOS isnot friendly to. :(

Mike
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I was reading Europress' "End of Project Report" on AMOS Professional
last night.

One of the `Initial project objectives' was:

`To keep the AMOS family of products alive for another 2 years'

and another was:

`To be released in September 1992'

By my reckoning, that gives AMOS a little over 2 weeks to live!

:~(



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Hi Carl Wooltorton <zodiac@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>
   In <199408110600.OAA15111@lethe.uwa.edu.au> you wrote:
> 
> 
> > Hmm... I was just thinking - how many people are on this list?  Only a 
> > core of about 10 people do all the yapping.  Come on folks dont be shy!
> 
> Well I'm here, but because everyone else seems to have Amos Pro while I
> only have Amos I don't get to talk much.
> 
> Carl.

There is a simple solution to this.... :)

Once you start using AMOS Pro, you won't want to go back to AMOS.
 

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> >I've only just noticed, but AMOS won't display interlaced screens properly
> >on my KS3.1 A500+. It worked fine with KS2.0. All I get is a non-interlaced
> >screen that jumps up and down.
> It could be that something has changed in 3.1 that AMOS isnot friendly to. :(
> 
> Mike
> -- 

I gathered that, Mike! :)

I've tried it with AMOS 1.36, and it's the same, it squashes the screen
up to fit into the space, missing out alternate lines, and jumping
around randomly.
 

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Carl,

> > ...( there's) only a core of about 10 people do all the yapping...
> 
> Well I'm here, but because everyone else seems to have Amos Pro while I
> only have Amos I don't get to talk much.

I've got AmosPro too, but I don't believe that there is a great deal more
AmosPro coverage that Amos Classic.

Besides, just 'cos you're still using Amos classic doesn't mean that
you can't give you're 2-peneth ( $.02 US currency ;^)

BTW, any chance of shortening your Sig ? It is a tad large #8^0)

TTFN.

G.
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I'm looking for any kind of Intro/DemoMakers for the Amiga, especially 
any written in AMOS, if you have any could you upload them to Aminet or
mail me a UUENCODED copy of it.

Thanx!

Greg Cox
(gcox@ctsnet.cts.com)



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Well, I was gonna wait for Mr Admin Bod, Mike for a reply b4 speaking, but
I thought, ah sod it!

Hi every1 on here, this is the Jam Man typing and I'd like to say:

"How are u all?"

I'm a good 'ole AMOS classic codey so just remember - erm, upgrade quick if
ya havent!

Do most of ya come on in the evenings cos of cheap rates on the lines, or
are u on company/uni internet connections? I'm on the Glaxo UK relay so if
ya get any bounced mail when sending to me u will get a message from the
mailerdeamon!

I programming at the mo on my 1200 : stuff, stuff and more stuff. Otherwise
I'm coding a diskmag for a scene group - any1 heard of Perception?

ADDITIONAL : I'm completely insane!

Hahahahahhahahahahahh ha!  ]-)    says Mr Iamwearingshades!

Jam.

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> Hi all,
> 
> Next week, (Aug. 15+)  NorthWest Public Domain will be receiving CDPD 4, 
> CD disc number 4 in the excellent series by Almathera.
> 
> "A new CD? Big deal."  Ah, but this one is a big deal, it contains the 
> AMOS PD library up through about disk 600.
> 
> To all nonbelievers, this CD will be $19.95 US, but for all the members 
> of the amos-list we are going to special price it at $16.95.  That's 
> right call me, say you saw it on the list, give me your email address, 
> and get $3.00 knocked off the price.
> 
> John
> NorthWest Public Domain
> (206)351-9502
> and yes, we accept Visa / MasterCard

This is not true, CDPD4 does not contain ANY AMOS PD disks.


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>Do most of ya come on in the evenings cos of cheap rates on the lines, or
>are u on company/uni internet connections? I'm on the Glaxo UK relay so if
I have company and a free uni connection.

>I'm coding a diskmag for a scene group - any1 heard of Perception?
Nope.  Are they on Aminet anywhere?  Is it all AMOS?  If any of it is AMOS and
on Aminet, let me know so I can put the filenames in the FAQ.

>ADDITIONAL : I'm completely insane!
Join the crowd! :)

Mike
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Subject: 8-)
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Hello again,

This is Jam typing away during his lunch break (in the UK). I just thought
that I'd send u lot a message, to see what's happening.

Mike - I can't get software on the internet, I'm using a strictly email
only system.

I hate PC's, every1 at work uses them, and all of IT roughly know how crap
they are. So why are PC's popular? Well, I suppose it's the tonnes of
pieces of software that is developed for them. Anyway, the reason I
mentioned PC's is bcoz I saw a compiled Visual C++ program, it opens a
window and says, "Hello World!" in it.
Okay, u all say, but then u look at the size of the file - 1.13 Mb !!! I'm
not lying, that's a fact! And every1 thought AMOS produced big files!
1.13mb is the MINIMUM for a windows program. I said to the coder when he
added a simple circle to the window, "Will that be another 500k to the
program lenght?".
PC's, urrgghh!

I've written a poem about AMOS:-

AMOS PRO,
AMOS CLASSIC,
AMOS COMPILER,
AMOS JURASSIC,
----
AMOS'LL GO MAD IF YA PUT ASSEMBLER INTO IT!

Okay, its crap but I don't care!

Does every1 on here have a sense of humour (or insanity!) bcoz with me, u
have 2!

Anyway, on Amos Classic(!) does any1 know how 2 make several text files a
single file which can then be read into a diskmag quickly? Hmm...

Jam.

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Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 08:57:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: PLAYFIELD!
To: Greg Cox <gcox@crash.cts.com>
Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net
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On Wed, 10 Aug 1994, Greg Cox wrote:

> Hey Ryan,
> 
> What's going on with PLAYFIELD subscriptions, I haven't gotten anything 
> yet since I mailed you my subscription over a month ago ? Are the 
> issue's running behind or what ?
> 
> Later
> 
> Greg

Yes, way behind - I had to get a 'real' job... I work from 9 to 9:30 or 
so with an internet provider (fun stuff), so the newsletter is being 
taken over by CB Meeks.  Its in progress...

Ryan
PLAYFIELD!


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Subject: Re: CDPD-4
To: dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk (Dominic Ramsey)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 09:04:58 -0400 (ADT)
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>This is not true, CDPD4 does not contain ANY AMOS PD disks.
Why do you say this?  I am going to order it if it does have the AMOS PD.

Mike
-- 
Michael Cox                             Work:   mcox@access.digex.net
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Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 09:19:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Brushes and Bobs
To: Brishen Viaud <ak826@freenet.buffalo.edu>
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On Thu, 11 Aug 1994, Brishen Viaud wrote:

> 
> 
> 	Hi!  I'm looking for a way to turn a brush from Dpaint into a Bob.  The only way That I
> know how to do this is to stick the bobrush onto a page and then clip it out with
> the GetBob command.  Any sugjestionsjestions?
> 
> --
> Brishen Viaud
> ak826@freenet.buffalo.edu

I think thats about the only way to do it.  
Anyone else?

Ryan, PLAYFIELD!


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Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 09:11:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: One more thing...
To: Cecil Meeks <metroid@dagobah.com>
Cc: AMOS LIST SEND <amos-list@access.digex.net>
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amos-list@access.digex.net is address to write to the entire mailing list.


On Wed, 10 Aug 1994, Cecil Meeks wrote:

> I forgot to add some stuff.
> I don't think I log on to a Unix system.
> Also, I don't have that uuncode program you were talking about.  If you send
> stuff through e-mail are you sure noone can get it?
> Do you know of any e-mail addresses for:
> Blitz Basic, Nasa, or any other thing I might like?  Can't find them here.
> Thanks
> CB
> 
> PS - I'm looking forward to the amount of e-mail from Amos mailing list!!
> 

Well email addresses for those things wouldn't do much good.  There is a 
blitz mailing list!  ask to the amos mailing list 
and someone will let you know what it is...

There's some amazing stuff on the world wide web for nasa and evertyhing 
else - but you'll have to wait for that type of thing til you have real 
time accesss.

I've read that PageStream3 is almost done!  it looks very very powerful, 
its targeting Quark X Press type quality!!!

ryan



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From: Mr J Andrews <ja29600@ggr.co.uk>
Date: 12 Aug 94 16:23:00 BST
Subject: Stuff
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
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Hello once again,

Oh flip, it takes f'ing years for these mail messages to get over the sea!
The time now is 4:09pm if it wasn't 12:00pm for the US (where u are Mike)
then it really does take the best part of a day for a round trip email.
I tell u what, I'm gonna get a modem for home use so I can dial direct to
a BBS with a free email facility so I get my emails out faster, GGR's mail
hubs are sllooowwww.

Well this is my 4th message I've done today global and personal, but I
won't be on at the weekend unless I find a modem to get onto Spud's Xanadu
(free email). I wish these messy were faster at travelling. Any1 know a
fast route for email?

Mike, the group I'm in isn't an Amos group, it's a scene demo group in the
UK, there are real coders in it but it isn't that well known.
Okay, I've only just started on the Internet, how does the Aminet work, and
is it a domain for u/l and d/ling files? Oh, and whats a PAQ?

It's nice to know other people are insane as well! ;)

By the time u will get this u will have my other message about the CD-ROM,
so send a reply soon.

One last thing, how many different countries do people come from on here?

Jam.

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Subject: Re: 8-)
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>Mike - I can't get software on the internet, I'm using a strictly email
>only system.
But, you can encode it to send via email and I can upload it to AMinet.

>Okay, u all say, but then u look at the size of the file - 1.13 Mb !!! I'm
>not lying, that's a fact! And every1 thought AMOS produced big files!
Well, in the PC world (which is what I work in) disk space is so cheap that it
is starting to not matter. :(  I wish the same was true for Amiga.

>AMOS PRO,
>AMOS CLASSIC,
>AMOS COMPILER,
>AMOS JURASSIC,
>----
>AMOS'LL GO MAD IF YA PUT ASSEMBLER INTO IT!
>Okay, its crap but I don't care!
Hey, it is kinda Pythonish/Towerish... :)

>Does every1 on here have a sense of humour (or insanity!) bcoz with me, u
>have 2!
I am sure we all do.

>Anyway, on Amos Classic(!) does any1 know how 2 make several text files a
>single file which can then be read into a diskmag quickly? Hmm...
Perhaps find the size of each text file: TOTAL = LOF(1) + LOF(2) and then
Reserve as Work BANKNO,TOTAL : Then bload each text file into the bank,
adding the start address to the LOF(1) for the start of file2.  Then BSAVE
the whole bank.


Mike
-- 
Michael Cox                             Work:   mcox@access.digex.net
A1200/120 w/1230XA 50/50/4 = SPEED!     Play:   aj639@Cleveland.FreeNet.EDU
             For info on the AMOS Mailing List, contact me!
             For AMOS Pro news, finger mcox@access.digex.net

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From: Greg Cox <gcox@crash.cts.com>
Subject: Look
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He Daryl,

If you have ftp access the look on Aminet it's already there as that is 
where I got it from (wuarchive.wustl.edu in the dev/amos drawer).

Filename: ZoneEdit3.lha




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From: Scott Southurst <maverick@deakin.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Kickstart 3.1
To: LIST AMOS <amos-list@access.digex.net>
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Could that problem be caused by Mode Promotion??

 #######################################################################
 # @@   @  @@   @@   @@   Scott Southurst <---> maverick@deakin.edu.au #
 #@  @ @@ @  @ @  @ @  @       Aquatic Biology/Computer Science        #
 #@  @  @    @ @  @ @  @             Amiga A1200 40 Meg HD             #
 #@ @@  @   @  @  @ @  @ GVP A1230 Turbo+ 40MHz with 68882 FPU + 4 Meg #
 #@  @  @  @   @  @ @  @      AMOS v1.36, Compiler v1.36, AMOS 3D      #
 #@  @  @ @@@@  @@   @@     Deakin University Warrnambool Australia    #
 #######################################################################
  (C) 1994. This letter is for viewing by the intended recipients only.


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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: dctv
To: MenTaT - !Productions <mentat@sefl.satelnet.org>
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On Thu, 4 Aug 1994, MenTaT - !Productions wrote:

> > Is there some way to load or display dctv pictures using AMOS?  AMOS 
> > says it can't load it.  Its my understanding that DCTV pics are 
> > regular pictures, but decoded by the hardware.  Is there some way to do this?
> 
> I always thought that was the case, too.  What error message does AMOS 
> give?  Maybe DCTV Paint (or whatever source the pictures are from) 
> doesn't save in IFF - will DPaint load the pictures?  If not, send me one 
> and I'll see if I can decipher it...
> 
> > Ryan, PLAYFIELD!
> 

Yeah i don't have one - a subscriber asked me about it and I toldhim I'd 
ask around.

it says not IFF.

Not very flexible is it.
Ryan



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There's a program on the Amos Creator EXTRAS: Disk called
IFF_Brush_To_Sprite.Amos that turns a Brush into a one-bob bank.

Also, IFF Brushes are basicaly the same as IFF Screens except that
screens MUST have an X co-ord evenly divisible by 16.  As long as
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Load Iff command.

Seumas (sfmcnally@Bix.Com)

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> 
> Could that problem be caused by Mode Promotion??
> 

I'm not using Mode Promotion.


--
Dominic Ramsey
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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
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Check this out - 

I found this on the amiga home page - 

call 1800 800 5166 and ask them to carry the cd 32 in the states (its 
electronics boutique.)  call repeatedly, tell your friends, etc.

This is how the jag got in elecctronics boutique....

ryan



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Hi all! (original, isn't it)

I have a couple of questions, too:

Currently I am using Amos Pro 1.2.
Where do I get this 2.0? I am going to look for it on Aminet/Swizerland
and Funet/Finland but I thought I ask it anyway...

What is that Playfield you are talking about?

Do Amos PROgrams speed up when compiling them? How many times faster?

How do I get DUAL DISPLAY off?

How to know whether the screen # is opened already or not?

What extensions are there for this A-Pro 2.00 and how do they get
compiled?

Is there a way I can use AGA-pictures in A-PRO? Or do I have to
compile them to for example ham-8 => ham-6 / hires-ham => lores-
ham? Can Amos (talking only about PRO) make use of dynamic-HAM?

Is there a better version of displaying animations than the one
in the manual (page 07.05.06)? It's blinking when re-starting
the sequence.

If I can't use AGA-pictures from Load Iff, I have to use
picture-players from DOS with the Exec-command.
What is the best viewer both for animations & pics?
I have Mostra & ViewTek but I don't
know how to use them properly...

--
MR. TONI LUODE      Email: tluode@freenet.hut.fi
                    Amiga 4000/030

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Ryan,

I didn't understand your message at all.
Maybe it's because I'm novice and from all away from Finland and
everything.
What's going on?
What's this Amiga Home Page?
What did the rest stand for?

- T L

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MR. TONI LUODE      Email: tluode@freenet.hut.fi
                    Amiga 4000/030

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Subject: ULTIMATE AMOS book?
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I am thinking of buying this book.  Anyone have any comments on the book?

Mike
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A1200/120 w/1230XA 50/50/4 = SPEED!     Play:   aj639@Cleveland.FreeNet.EDU
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             For AMOS Pro news, finger mcox@access.digex.net

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From: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu (Andy Church)
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>Currently I am using Amos Pro 1.2.
>Where do I get this 2.0? I am going to look for it on Aminet/Swizerland
>and Funet/Finland but I thought I ask it anyway...

  You have to order it from Europress (AFAIK).

>What is that Playfield you are talking about?

  An AMOS magazine.  It used to be produced by Ryan Scott... I think he
still takes orders (do you Ryan?).

>Do Amos PROgrams speed up when compiling them? How many times faster?

  Yes, and many.  Depending on the program, you can get a speedup of
1000% or more after compiling.

>How do I get DUAL DISPLAY off?

  I assume you mean "Dual Playfield"... no way that I know, except by
closing the screens.

>How to know whether the screen # is opened already or not?

S=Screen
Trap Screen NUMBER_TO_TEST
SCR_EXISTS=Errtrap
Screen S

>What extensions are there for this A-Pro 2.00 and how do they get
>compiled?

  All AMOS Pro extensions work with Pro 2.00.  Ask Mike Cox for the
FAQ - it lists all the extensions that currently exist for AMOS and
Pro.

>Is there a way I can use AGA-pictures in A-PRO? Or do I have to
>compile them to for example ham-8 => ham-6 / hires-ham => lores-
>ham? Can Amos (talking only about PRO) make use of dynamic-HAM?

  AMOS does not have AGA support.  The Intuition Extension does.

  --Andy Church

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Hello,
   I asked about this a while ago but I thought that perhaps things had 
changed in the mean time...
   There seems to be a problem when implementing parallax scrolling with 
a dual playfield display.  If both screens are scrolled with the screen 
offset command, they begin to 'jerk' around.  It seems when one screen 
offset reaches a multiple of 16 the other screen 'jumps' back to the 
nearest multiple of 16 as well.
   I've come up with two unsatisfactory solutions: don't use offsets that 
cause this problem (very limiting), or 'freeze' each screen before it 
reaches a 16 pixel boundary then 'unfreeze' the screen once it has passed 
it (still quite jerky).
   I was told this is a problem with AMOS (and AMOS Pro) and not the 
Amiga.  Has anyone written any code that eliminates this problem?  If so, 
I'd be forever grateful if you'd share :)  I'm completely stuck!  Thanks 
in advance...
                                                            - Tim Wright

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>One last thing, how many different countries do people come from on here?
>
>Jam.

Hi from Mexico!

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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
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On Sat, 13 Aug 1994, M D Cox wrote:

> I am thinking of buying this book.  Anyone have any comments on the book?
> 

I thought it was pretty good - it explains the scroll offset scroller 
pretty clearly and has some good ideas in it.

Depends on the cost, of course.

Ryan


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On Sun, 14 Aug 1994, toni luode wrote:

> 
> 
> Ryan,
> 
> I didn't understand your message at all.
> Maybe it's because I'm novice and from all away from Finland and
> everything.
> What's going on?
> What's this Amiga Home Page?
> What did the rest stand for?

Oh, sorry about that....  If US Amiga users call Electronics boutique at 
the number i supplied, we may be able to get them to carry it in their us 
stores (big chain).

The amiga home page can be reached by a world wide web browser such as 
lynx or mosaic, or something like that.  I forget the url for it 
(universal resource locater - its address in other words)...

Ryan
PLAYFIELD!

I registered the playfield domain, look for playfield.com and the AMOS 
home page to come soon - i am looking for any help anyone wants to offer!



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On Sun, 14 Aug 1994, M D Cox wrote:

> >I thought it was pretty good - it explains the scroll offset scroller 
> >pretty clearly and has some good ideas in it.
> >Depends on the cost, of course.
> I have seen it for $36 + S&H.  Have you seen better?
> 

No, thats about it.

ryan


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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 13:52:07 +1000 (EST)
From: Mr M Sawicki <msaw1@mdw014.cc.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Brushes and Bobs
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On Thu, 11 Aug 1994, Brishen Viaud wrote:

> 
> 
> 	Hi!  I'm looking for a way to turn a brush from Dpaint into a Bob.  The only way That I
> know how to do this is to stick the bobrush onto a page and then clip it out with
> the GetBob command.  Any sugjestionsjestions?
> 
You can use sprite grabber (supplied with amos) or use a converter (also
supplied with amos). I don't remember the exact names of the programs cos
I don't use them anymore but they're there




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From: Mr J Andrews <ja29600@ggr.co.uk>
Date: 15 Aug 94 10:14:00 BST
Subject: This and that.
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
Status: RO

Hello All,

I'm not really Mr J Andrews - I'm Jam. KeaTerm just sticks that stupid `Mr'
in front without asking me!

Mike, thanx for the single file advice, but I've adopted a new method for
my diskmag which is probably better going to be better for what I need. The
reason for this is I can still change each article file individually if I
want to edit the text.

Oh, [anyone] how do you send data(binary) files using email, I'm using
KeaTerm on a PC and it does have a Kermit transfer (protocol?) on it.

Here's a little flashing routine which look like you are decrunching using
Powerpacker, etc ...

_FLASH
Procedure _FLASH
        cls 0
        randomize timer
        for t=1 to 20000
                doke rnd(4095),$dff180
        next
End Proc

colour register addresses:

      0               $dff180
      1               $dff182
      2               $dff184        etc.....

As you can see the address goes up in 2 - thats cos you are using DOKE!!

Got 2 go...

Jam.

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From: Scott Southurst <maverick@deakin.edu.au>
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On Sat, 13 Aug 1994, Dominic Ramsey wrote:

> > 
> > Could that problem be caused by Mode Promotion??
> > 
> 
> I'm not using Mode Promotion.
> 

I guess not then. B^P

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From: Neil Miller <neil@triode.apana.org.au>
Subject: Re: Kickstart 3.1
To: Dominic Ramsey <dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk>
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On Wed, 10 Aug 1994, Dominic Ramsey wrote:

> Is anybody else out there running AMOS under Kickstart 3.1.
> 
> I've only just noticed, but AMOS won't display interlaced screens properly
> on my KS3.1 A500+. It worked fine with KS2.0. All I get is a non-interlaced
> screen that jumps up and down.
> 
> I've only tried this with AMOS Pro at the moment, but I presume AMOS v1.36
> will be the same.
> 
> 
> --
> Dominic Ramsey
> dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk
> 
> 

Yes, I told Francois about this months ago, I can't upgrade to 3.1 until 
I finally leave AMOS Pro forever.

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If you're writting programs in AMOS which require any graphics then
please let me know.

Although I program a little, my real forte is graphics (In fact, my
main use for AMOS is for displaying my work).

So, if you want any graphics AT ALL, please e-mail me. I will only
refuse if I am already too busy 8^)

Current hardware set-up;
A4000/030/25Mhz+68882/25Mhz
2Mb Chip RAM
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Software in use;
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ADPro v2.5
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Hope to hear from you.

Cheers,
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--
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From: Scott Southurst <maverick@deakin.edu.au>
Subject: Re: FYI importante
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> Check this out - 
> 
> I found this on the amiga home page - 
> 
> call 1800 800 5166 and ask them to carry the cd 32 in the states (its 
> electronics boutique.)  call repeatedly, tell your friends, etc.
> 
> This is how the jag got in elecctronics boutique....
> 
> ryan

Where would they get the CD32's from?

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AMOS Listserv
=============


 A good idea, but don't let it stop you also uploading files to aminet. Ryan, could you provide FTP access to the files sent to the listserv?



Guest niftp (command usually called  cpf, hhcp, fcp):
=====================================================

I haven't a clue what they are, I just copied the file from the README at src.
If you have any of them, you now know you can use them on aminet. Otherwise,
don't worry - it they were that good, they'd be more popular.


>Also, Andy, is it possible to get the intuition extension to support MUI?
==========================================================================


>  Since I've never used MUI and haven't the faintest idea what it is,I'd
>say "not in the near future" - I want to code things I already know how
>to code before I start trying to learn something new.  Sorry.

>What is MUI?  Is it KS1.3 compatible?  (If not, it will probably have
>to wait even longer - I'm trying to keep everything 1.3 compatible for
>now.)

MUI needs kickstart 2.04+, and anyone who has this should immediately
download /dev/gui/mui21usr.lha, /dev/gui/mui21dev.lha, and /dev/amos/Am-Mui10.lha
which I am about to upload, then you will have you interface problems solved.

As for andy's intuition extension, you can put the MUI windows on screens opened
with it, but for some reason, they are of the opinion that the intuition screen
only has 2 colours. Other programs on amos intuitions publics screens also do
this - the word 'bug' springs to mind.


Speaking of bugs...
===================

I have also uploaded a fixed version of the variable checker which solves
the "B mod 2" problem pointed out by ben marty. /dev/amos/VarCheck101.lha



Mike Cox
========

>>Anyone else find problems, or are you all too scared to check your old 
>>programs?
>I checked mine, but did not have any problems.

Good.



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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Brushes and Bobs
To: Mr M Sawicki <msaw1@mdw014.cc.monash.edu.au>
Cc: Brishen Viaud <ak826@freenet.buffalo.edu>, amos-list@access.digex.net
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On Mon, 15 Aug 1994, Mr M Sawicki wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thu, 11 Aug 1994, Brishen Viaud wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 	Hi!  I'm looking for a way to turn a brush from Dpaint into a Bob.  The only way That I
> > know how to do this is to stick the bobrush onto a page and then clip it out with
> > the GetBob command.  Any sugjestionsjestions?
> > 
> You can use sprite grabber (supplied with amos) or use a converter (also
> supplied with amos). I don't remember the exact names of the programs cos
> I don't use them anymore but they're there
> 
> 
> 

You could also use Grab 3 or the upcoming Grab 4 (with animation) to 
automatically grab all the enclosed objects from the screen.  
Automatically sets the hot spots, etc.  So if you go and make a change on 
the iff in dpaint, then go back into Grab, it automatically cuts them all 
out again, incorporating the change.  Its a good program.  Not PD

Ryan, PLAYFIELD!


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Subject: Re: FYI importante
To: Scott Southurst <maverick@deakin.edu.au>
Cc: LIST AMOS <amos-list@access.digex.net>
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On Mon, 15 Aug 1994, Scott Southurst wrote:

> > Check this out - 
> > 
> > I found this on the amiga home page - 
> > 
> > call 1800 800 5166 and ask them to carry the cd 32 in the states (its 
> > electronics boutique.)  call repeatedly, tell your friends, etc.
> > 
> > This is how the jag got in elecctronics boutique....
> > 
> > ryan
> 
> Where would they get the CD32's from?

I have no idea.  I just posted the info - I didn't actually stop to
*think* about it ;-)

Ryan


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From: Dominic Ramsey <dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk>
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> On Thu, 11 Aug 1994, Brishen Viaud wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 	Hi!  I'm looking for a way to turn a brush from Dpaint into a Bob.  The only way That I
> > know how to do this is to stick the bobrush onto a page and then clip it out with
> > the GetBob command.  Any sugjestionsjestions?
> > 
> You can use sprite grabber (supplied with amos) or use a converter (also
> supplied with amos). I don't remember the exact names of the programs cos
> I don't use them anymore but they're there
> 

Try Iff_Brush_To_Sprite.AMOS     :)

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 |   Your cousin told me that your brother's mate eats dodgy          |
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From: Dominic Ramsey <dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk>
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> > Check this out - 
> > 
> > I found this on the amiga home page - 
> > 
> > call 1800 800 5166 and ask them to carry the cd 32 in the states (its 
> > electronics boutique.)  call repeatedly, tell your friends, etc.
> > 
> > This is how the jag got in elecctronics boutique....
> > 
> > ryan
> 
> Where would they get the CD32's from?
> 

Well, they could have mine!

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From: Dominic Ramsey <dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk>
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
Subject: Insult-o-matic
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I wrote this rather neat little program called `Insult-o-matic' this
morning. You can use it to generate random insults to add to your
.sig file.

Just like this one:

Insult-o-matic------------------------------------------------------>>>
 .--------------------------------------------------------------------.
 |   I heard that your auntie Ethel bought a square spice rack        |
 |   from Camels `R' Us last week.                                    |
 `---------------------------------------- dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk ----'

or this one:

Insult-o-matic------------------------------------------------------>>>
 .--------------------------------------------------------------------.
 |   Get your dodgy flamingo off my football!                         |
 `---------------------------------------- dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk ----'

or even this one:

Insult-o-matic------------------------------------------------------>>>
 .--------------------------------------------------------------------.
 |   I heard that Ryan Scott bought a nasty cat litter tray from      |
 |   Europress Software last week.                                    |
 `---------------------------------------- dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk ----'

If anyone wants it, I'll upload the (AMOS Pro _ONLY_) source code. You
can edit it to suit your tastes (or distastes), and insult everyone
you send mail to! (Or news of course.)

See ya!

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From: tluode@freenet.hut.fi (toni luode)
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
Subject: parallel port
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Status: RO



This may be tough one: (hope not)

I'm currently making an fx program w/ Amos Pro.
I'd like to include into it a sound sensing system...
I have a stereo digitizer in my parallel port (Golem if U
want to know). How can I make it work together w/ my AMOS
PROgram?
Do I have to activate the digitizer somehow?
And when done what I will be getting back?
My guess is that all these sounddigitizers have the
same 'language' or how is it?

Show me some AMOSPOWER!

- TL

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                    Amiga 4000/030

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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: More crap
To: Paul Hickman <ph@doc.ic.ac.uk>
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On Mon, 15 Aug 1994, Paul Hickman wrote:

> 
> AMOS Listserv
> =============
> 
> 
>   A good idea, but don't let it stop you also uploading files to 
aminet. Ryan, could you provide FTP access to the files sent to the listserv?

most likely.  I'm really looking into doing a home page on the web.
I'd like to make a PLAYFIELD! home page with progs and tips people can 
submit to.  Build a nice info database...  Please send me your home page 
for amos, or point me at it please.

How many users are using a graphic client for the web? (I fear not too many?)

> Mike Cox
> ========
> 
> >>Anyone else find problems, or are you all too scared to check your old 
> >>programs?
> >I checked mine, but did not have any problems.
> 
> Good.

Yeah right.  ;-)


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Ryan wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 1994, Greg Cox wrote:
> 
> > Hey Ryan,
> > 
> > What's going on with PLAYFIELD subscriptions, I haven't gotten anything 
> > yet since I mailed you my subscription over a month ago ? Are the 
> > issue's running behind or what ?
> > 
> > Later
> > 
> > Greg
> 
> Yes, way behind - I had to get a 'real' job... I work from 9 to 9:30 or 
> so with an internet provider (fun stuff), so the newsletter is being 
> taken over by CB Meeks.  Its in progress...

Gee, a half hour day!!!  Heh heh.
I'm only part time (two days a week), but my hours are 7:30 to 3:30.
Just think how lucky you are to get the extra sleep (I have to get up at
6am!).

Carl.
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From: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu (Andy Church)
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Status: RO

>Oh, [anyone] how do you send data(binary) files using email, I'm using
>KeaTerm on a PC and it does have a Kermit transfer (protocol?) on it.

  Use uuencode and uudecode.  The Amiga versions can be found on AmiNet
as /pub/aminet/util/arc/uucode.lha (and others).

>Here's a little flashing routine which look like you are decrunching using
>Powerpacker, etc ...
>
>_FLASH
>Procedure _FLASH
>        cls 0
>        randomize timer
>        for t=1 to 20000
>                doke rnd(4095),$dff180

  Actually, you might want to reverse those two parameters if you don't want
to crash the system... :-)

>        next
>End Proc

  --Andy Church

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From: Dominic Ramsey <dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk>
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
Subject: Re: parallel port
Status: RO

> This may be tough one: (hope not)
> 
> I'm currently making an fx program w/ Amos Pro.
> I'd like to include into it a sound sensing system...
> I have a stereo digitizer in my parallel port (Golem if U
> want to know). How can I make it work together w/ my AMOS
> PROgram?
> Do I have to activate the digitizer somehow?
> And when done what I will be getting back?
> My guess is that all these sounddigitizers have the
> same 'language' or how is it?
> 
> Show me some AMOSPOWER!
> 
> - TL

Try something like this:

----Cut Here----
' PAL overscan screen
Screen Open 0,352,290,2,Lowres
Screen Display 0,,30,,
Hide On 
Cls 0
Circle 176,145,100 : Paint 176,145
A=$BFE101 : AA=$BFE103
THRESH=2
' 
Do 
   S=Abs(Peek(A)-128)
   SS=Abs(Peek(AA)-128)
   If SS>THRESH
      Colour 0,Rnd(4095) : Wait Vbl 
      Fade 1 : Wait 5
   End If 
   If S>THRESH
      Colour 1,Rnd(4095) : Wait Vbl 
      Fade 1 : Wait 5
   End If 
Loop 
----Cut Here----

I don't know if it will work with your sampler, but it works with mine.
Try adjusting the THRESH value if it doesn't work properly.


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From: Schreckling Dominique <dschreckling@master.einev.ch>
Subject: Important news ???
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Hello everyone,
I was away from the list the last six weeks.

Is there anything important to be known ?

Is an intuition and/or an AGA extension available now ?
If yes could you tell me where I can find them.

Thank you very much.


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From: Gareth Edwards <config@ultim.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: Re: Re: DO YOU NEED GFX?
Status: RO

Following my last mail-shot asking if anybody required GFX for their
programs, I have this to say (and I should have said it originally)

To save alot of initial to-and-fro-ing between me and you (whoever
wants the gfx) PLEASE give me as much information on the style,
look and feel that you wish to gfx the invoke.
Other information is also necessary;

What size (in pixels) do you want your sprites?
Are there any special frames of anim other than walking (ie. jump,
punch, kick, vomit, moon, copulate, etc, etc.8^)?
What degree of gore am I allowed to incorporate (lots, hopefully)?
How many frames of anim am I limited to?
What is the maximum number of colours for the sprite and BG map/tiles?
What direction would the character be viewed from (top/side/back front)?

You get the gist?

OK. I've had several request for GFX within the first day of post, so
if I can't do yours, it's because I'm too busy. 

But please don't be afraid to ask :^)

Right, hear from y'all soon.
G.

-- 
Gareth Edwards, Leeds, England, Europe. E-mail: config@ultim.demon.co.uk

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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: parallel port
To: toni luode <tluode@freenet.hut.fi>
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On Tue, 16 Aug 1994, toni luode wrote:

> 
> 
> This may be tough one: (hope not)
> 
> I'm currently making an fx program w/ Amos Pro.
> I'd like to include into it a sound sensing system...
> I have a stereo digitizer in my parallel port (Golem if U
> want to know). How can I make it work together w/ my AMOS
> PROgram?
> Do I have to activate the digitizer somehow?
> And when done what I will be getting back?
> My guess is that all these sounddigitizers have the
> same 'language' or how is it?
> 
> Show me some AMOSPOWER!

EME.  I think that'll do it for you.




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Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 23:01:01 +0000
From: Neil Miller <neil@triode.apana.org.au>
Subject: Re: dctv
To: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
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On Thu, 4 Aug 1994, Ryan Scott wrote:

> 
> Is there some way to load or display dctv pictures using AMOS?  AMOS 
> says it can't load it.  Its my understanding that DCTV pics are 
> regular pictures, but decoded by the hardware.  Is there some way to do this?
> 
> Ryan, PLAYFIELD!
> 
> 
AMOS Has never had a problem loading a DCTV picture, I used one for about 
6 months without any problems, just don't let the picture go above screen 
position 28 or was it 26, because it then screws up.

                          \|/
                         -O"O-
----------------------oOO-(_)-OOo------------------------
                         T E X
                neil@triode.apana.org.au


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From: Dominic Ramsey <dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk>
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
Subject: InsultOmatic
Status: RO

Below is the AMOS Pro source code and a sample config file for my
InsultOmatic program. I've uploaded it in Ascii form so AMOS users can have
a look at it.

But always remember,

 .---- Insult-O-matic ------------------------------------------------.
 |   You're a hairy, fish like Supra FaxModem, you are!               |
 `------------------------------------------------ Dominic Ramsey ----'

First, the config file (call it s:insult.config)

----Cut Here----
*sigfile
Home:.sig/sig
*signoff
Dom Ramsey
*names
Ryan Scott
Mike Cox
Paul Hickman
your brain surgeon
your brother
that sardine in your bathroom
that goldfish you sneer at
your mother
your cousin
your sister
your psychiatrist
*adjectives
curly
fish like
sex crazed
sliced
brown
smeggin'
broken
hairy
selfish
corrupt
furry
*nouns
PC owner
pizza
polititian
lamp shade
toaster
chocolate teapot
chicken
marmoset
Atari Jaguar
flamingo
floppy disk
sick bag
armadillo
Macintosh user
kipper
fishcake
bucket
Supra FaxModem
fruit cake
cushion
cheese dip
*verbs
eats
jumps on
sleeps with
paints
laughs at
kicks sand at
*companies
Playfield
Microsoft
Commodore
McDonalds
Europress Software
Marmosets `R' Us
*end
----Cut Here----

and now the program

----Cut Here----
' Insult-O-matic (c) 1994 Dominic Ramsey (15/8/94) Freely Distributable  
' ============ R E A D      T H I S     F I R S T ============ 
' Uses AMOS Pro specific "Exec" command to run the AmigaDos echo 
' command to create the sig file. Looks for the default config file:-
' s:insult.config, or an alternative file specified in the command line
' of the compiled program. This way, you can have a different group of 
' names / insults for different types of mail or news. You must not alter
' the format of the config file, but you can have up to 100 of each type 
' of word. Make sure you change the sigfile and signoff entries in the 
' config file to the full path of your .sig file and your name 
' respectively. A good time to run InsultOmatic is directly after you
' send mail or postnews. This way, you will have a new sig ready for 
' the next message.  This program does not make any output to the AMOS 
' screen, so you will not notice anything when you run it. To see the
' results, use AmigaDos to 'type' or 'ed' you sig file.
'  
' Compile with the following options:  
' Send AMOS to back   =    YES   
' Create Default Screen  =  NO 
'
Dim _NAME$(100),_VERB$(100),_ADJ$(100),_NOUN$(100),_COMP$(100),L$(10)
Global _COMP$(),_COMPS,L$()
Global _NAME$(),_NAMES,_VERB$(),_VERBS,_NOUN$(),_NOUNS,_ADJ$(),_ADJS
Global _INS$,_SIGFILE$,_SIGNOFF$,_CONFIGFILE$
'
' Get speified or default config file
If Command Line$<>""
   _CONFIGFILE$=Command Line$
Else 
   _CONFIGFILE$="s:insult.config"
End If 
'  
_INIT
_GT_WORDS
_GENERATE
_PUNCTUATE
_WRITE_SIG
'
Procedure _INIT
   ' Use system clock for randomize (Timer won't work when compiled)  
   T$=Space$(12)
   Dreg(1)=Varptr(T$)
   D=Doscall(-192)
   A=Leek(Varptr(T$))
   B=Leek(Varptr(T$)+4)
   C=Leek(Varptr(T$)+8)
   Randomize(A+B+C)
End Proc
Procedure _GT_WORDS
   Set Input 10,-1
   Open In 1,_CONFIGFILE$
   Input #1,TEMP$
   Input #1,_SIGFILE$
   Input #1,TEMP$
   Input #1,_SIGNOFF$
   Input #1,TEMP$
   '
   ' Names
   _NAMES=0
   Repeat 
      Input #1,TEMP$
      If TEMP$<>"*adjectives"
         _NAME$(_NAMES)=TEMP$
         Inc _NAMES
      End If 
   Until TEMP$="*adjectives"
   Dec _NAMES
   '
   ' Adjs 
   _ADJS=0
   Repeat 
      Input #1,TEMP$
      If TEMP$<>"*nouns"
         _ADJ$(_ADJS)=TEMP$
         Inc _ADJS
      End If 
   Until TEMP$="*nouns"
   Dec _ADJS
   '
   ' Nouns
   _NOUNS=0
   Repeat 
      Input #1,TEMP$
      If TEMP$<>"*verbs"
         _NOUN$(_NOUNS)=TEMP$
         Inc _NOUNS
      End If 
   Until TEMP$="*verbs"
   Dec _NOUNS
   '
   ' verbs
   _VERBS=0
   Repeat 
      Input #1,TEMP$
      If TEMP$<>"*companies"
         _VERB$(_VERBS)=TEMP$
         Inc _VERBS
      End If 
   Until TEMP$="*companies"
   Dec _VERBS
   '
   ' companies
   _COMPS=0
   Repeat 
      Input #1,TEMP$
      If TEMP$<>"*end"
         _COMP$(_COMPS)=TEMP$
         Inc _COMPS
      End If 
   Until TEMP$="*end"
   Dec _COMPS
   '
   Close 1
End Proc
Procedure _GENERATE
   '
   ' 10 Different types of sentences at the moment
   '
   TEMP=Rnd(10)
   '
   If TEMP=0
      _NAME$=_NAME$(Rnd(_NAMES))
      _ADJ$=_ADJ$(Rnd(_ADJS))
      _ADJ1$=_ADJ$(Rnd(_ADJS))
      _NOUN$=_NOUN$(Rnd(_NOUNS))
      _INS$="you're a "+_ADJ$+", "+_ADJ1$+" "+_NOUN$+", you are!"
   End If 
   '
   If TEMP=1
      _NAME$=_NAME$(Rnd(_NAMES))
      _ADJ$=_ADJ$(Rnd(_ADJS))
      _NOUN$=_NOUN$(Rnd(_NOUNS))
      _INS$=_NAME$+" is a "+_ADJ$+" "+_NOUN$+", you know"
   End If 
   '
   If TEMP=2
      _NAME$=_NAME$(Rnd(_NAMES))
      Repeat 
         _NAME1$=_NAME$(Rnd(_NAMES))
      Until _NAME1$<>_NAME$
      _VERB$=_VERB$(Rnd(_VERBS))
      _ADJ$=_ADJ$(Rnd(_ADJS))
      _NOUN$=_NOUN$(Rnd(_NOUNS))
      _INS$=_NAME$+" told me that "+_NAME1$+" "+_VERB$+" "+_ADJ$+" "+_NOUN$+"s"
   End If 
   '
   If TEMP=3
      _NAME$=_NAME$(Rnd(_NAMES))
      _ADJ$=_ADJ$(Rnd(_ADJS))
      _NOUN$=_NOUN$(Rnd(_NOUNS))
      Repeat 
         _NOUN1$=_NOUN$(Rnd(_NOUNS))
      Until _NOUN1$<>_NOUN$
      _INS$="Get your "+_ADJ$+" "+_NOUN$+" off my "+_NOUN1$+"!"
   End If 
   '
   If TEMP=4
      _NAME$=_NAME$(Rnd(_NAMES))
      _ADJ$=_ADJ$(Rnd(_ADJS))
      _COMP$=_COMP$(Rnd(_COMPS))
      _NOUN$=_NOUN$(Rnd(_NOUNS))
      _INS$="I heard that "+_NAME$+" bought a "+_ADJ$+" "+_NOUN$+" from "+_COMP$+" last week"
   End If 
   '
   If TEMP=5
      _ADJ$=_ADJ$(Rnd(_ADJS))
      _NOUN$=_NOUN$(Rnd(_NOUNS))
      Repeat 
         _NOUN1$=_NOUN$(Rnd(_NOUNS))
      Until _NOUN$<>_NOUN1$
      _INS$="See that "+_ADJ$+" "+_NOUN$+". That's your best "+_NOUN1$+", that is."
   End If 
   '
   If TEMP=6
      _NAME$=_NAME$(Rnd(_NAMES))
      _ADJ$=_ADJ$(Rnd(_ADJS))
      _COMP$=_COMP$(Rnd(_COMPS))
      _NOUN$=_NOUN$(Rnd(_NOUNS))
      _INS$=_NAME$+" saw you buying "+_ADJ$+" "+_NOUN$+"s from "+_COMP$+" yesterday. Don't deny it! You were seen!"
   End If 
   '
   If TEMP=7
      _NAME$=_NAME$(Rnd(_NAMES))
      _ADJ$=_ADJ$(Rnd(_ADJS))
      _NOUN$=_NOUN$(Rnd(_NOUNS))
      _INS$=_NAME$+" is a bit of a "+_ADJ$+" "+_NOUN$+", don't you think???"
   End If 
   '
   If TEMP=8
      _NAME$=_NAME$(Rnd(_NAMES))
      _ADJ$=_ADJ$(Rnd(_ADJS))
      _COMP$=_COMP$(Rnd(_COMPS))
      _NOUN$=_NOUN$(Rnd(_NOUNS))
      _INS$=_NAME$+" says that "+_COMP$+" are selling off "+_ADJ$+" "+_NOUN$+"s at half price!"
   End If 
   '
   If TEMP=9
      _NAME$=_NAME$(Rnd(_NAMES))
      _VERB$=_VERB$(Rnd(_VERBS))
      _ADJ$=_ADJ$(Rnd(_ADJS))
      _NOUN$=_NOUN$(Rnd(_NOUNS))
      _INS$=_NAME$+" "+_VERB$+" "+_ADJ$+" "+_NOUN$+"s"
   End If 
   '
   If TEMP=10
      _NAME$=_NAME$(Rnd(_NAMES))
      _ADJ$=_ADJ$(Rnd(_ADJS))
      _NOUN$=_NOUN$(Rnd(_NOUNS))
      _INS$="That "+_NOUN$+" that "+_NAME$+" sold me was totally "+_ADJ$+"!"
   End If 
End Proc
Procedure _PUNCTUATE
   '
   ' Capitalize first letter of sentence
   '  
   TEMP=Len(_INS$)-1
   _INS$=Upper$(Left$(_INS$,1))+Right$(_INS$,TEMP)
   '
   '  Add a full stop if not already punctuated 
   '
   If Asc(Right$(_INS$,1))>63
      _INS$=_INS$+"."
   End If 
End Proc
Procedure _WRITE_SIG
   '
   ' You could try using Print# to print the lines of text to a file, but 
   ' it adds an unwanted chr$(13) to the end of each line.
   '
   For TEMP=1 To 10
      L$(TEMP)=""
   Next 
   '  
   L$(1)=" .---- Insult-O-matic ------------------------------------------------."
   ' Wordwrap 
   _LINE=2
   '
   Repeat 
      TEMP=Instr(_INS$," ")
      TEMP$=Left$(_INS$,TEMP)
      If Len(L$(_LINE))+Len(TEMP$)>62
         Inc _LINE
      End If 
      L$(_LINE)=L$(_LINE)+TEMP$
      _INS$=Right$(_INS$,Len(_INS$)-TEMP)
   Until TEMP=0
   '
   If Len(L$(_LINE))+Len(_INS$)>62
      Inc _LINE
   End If 
   L$(_LINE)=L$(_LINE)+_INS$
   '  
   For TEMP=2 To _LINE
      L$(TEMP)=" |   "+L$(TEMP)
      L$(TEMP)=L$(TEMP)+String$(" ",71-Len(L$(TEMP)))
      Right$(L$(TEMP),1)="|"
   Next TEMP
   '
   TEMP=62-Len(_SIGNOFF$)
   L$(_LINE+1)=" `"
   L$(_LINE+1)=L$(_LINE+1)+String$("-",TEMP)+" "+_SIGNOFF$+" ----'"
   '
   L=1
   Exec "echo > "+_SIGFILE$+" "+Chr$(34)+Chr$(34)
   '
   Repeat 
      Exec "echo >> "+_SIGFILE$+" "+Chr$(34)+L$(L)+Chr$(34)
      Inc L
   Until L$(L)=""
   '
End Proc
----Cut Here----

--
Dominic Ramsey
dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk


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Subject: 3D realtime rendered Polygon
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 13:46:00 +0900
From: OdaMan the AMIGA <odaman@rocky.unoke.pfu.fujitsu.co.jp>
Status: RO

Hi, all.

I made program to display 3D realtime rendered Polygon graphics.
And it has custom Copper list.

	Can I upload it to this list with LHa and uuencode??


Of course, I'll erase music from it to make it small.  I want
advices from you about this program.  I think this speed is
limit of AMOSPro, if someone can make it more FAST, let me know.

It has very wonderful Copper.  You'll watch very beautiful Copper.
There are 13 polygons with 16 shaded colours with 16x16=256 shaded
colours in its background, and it runs on normal AMIGA!!  But I
recommend you fast MPU(over 68020/14Mhz.  I made it on my A1200).
Because Polygons and "making copper list on AMOS" needs more MPU power.

If you have AMOS-compiler, COMPILE IT AND RUN!!  I don't have
compiler, so it is quite slow, but if it is compiled, I think it is
more and more FASTER!!


If someone says me "don't put large data on this list", I'll not
put this program.


OK, if someone want to say about it, mail me.
Or reply it if I can put quite large data on this list.

Bye!!
--
Tetsuo Oda (OdaMan de PON the AMIGA)

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Subject: question of analog joystick
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 13:58:20 +0900
From: OdaMan the AMIGA <odaman@rocky.unoke.pfu.fujitsu.co.jp>
Status: RO

Hi, all.

I got analog joystick for PC/AT.  This joystick has 2 buttons and
15pin connector.  If someone know how connect it to AMIGA, let me
know.
And I want to know how to access it on AMOS if I can connect it to
AMIGA.


Thanks for your reading!!  :)
--
Tetsuo Oda (OdaMan de PON the AMIGA / ATARI 8bit / MSX )

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From: "stud.ass." <bcollin@mpi.nl>
Subject: Re: FYI importante
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
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> On Sun, 14 Aug 1994, toni luode wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Ryan,
> > 
> > I didn't understand your message at all.
> > Maybe it's because I'm novice and from all away from Finland
> > and
> > everything.
> > What's going on?
> > What's this Amiga Home Page?
> > What did the rest stand for?
> 
> Oh, sorry about that....  If US Amiga users call Electronics
> boutique at the number i supplied, we may be able to get them to
> carry it in their us stores (big chain).
> 
> The amiga home page can be reached by a world wide web browser
> such as lynx or mosaic, or something like that.  I forget the url
> for it 
> (universal resource locater - its address in other words)...
> 

Amiga pages:

Commodore Amiga Information Resources
http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001/Web/People/mjw/Computer/Amiga
maintained by: Michael Witbrock (witbrock@cs.cmu.edu)

Another Home Page -- Robin Evans
http://www.halcyon.com/robin
maintained by: Robin Evans (robin@halcyon.com)

These two pages point to all other Amiga pages that I know of.
Maybe this is something for in the FAQ, Michael?

Branko Collin
bcollin@mpi.nl



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From: Dominic Ramsey <dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk>
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> > > > Is anybody else out there running AMOS under Kickstart 3.1.
> > > > 
> > > > I've only just noticed, but AMOS won't display interlaced screens properly
> > > > on my KS3.1 A500+. It worked fine with KS2.0. All I get is a non-interlaced
> > > > screen that jumps up and down.
> > > > 
> > > > I've only tried this with AMOS Pro at the moment, but I presume AMOS v1.36
> > > > will be the same.
> > > 
> > > Yes, I told Francois about this months ago, I can't upgrade to 3.1 until 
> > > I finally leave AMOS Pro forever.
> > >
> > 
> > Couldn't you upgrade to KS3.1, and load KS2.0 in from a file when you're
> > running AMOS Pro?
> 
> I guess, I have seen 3.1 advertised in England, is this right?
> 

Yeah. It's only available from Blittersoft in the UK, 85UKP for the
A500(+) A1500 and A2000 versions, and 95UKP for the A3000(T) and 4000(T)
versions. There is NO A1200 or A600 version.

Blittersoft can be reached on +44 (0)908 220196

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 |   I heard that your sister's best friend bought a nasty 16-bit     |
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--
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Subject: Re: question of analog joystick
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>I got analog joystick for PC/AT.  This joystick has 2 buttons and
>15pin connector.  If someone know how connect it to AMIGA, let me
>know.
I know there are hardware devices that will connect them.  I don't know what
the hack is, if there is one to do it without the hardware.

Mike
-- 
Michael Cox                             Work:   mcox@access.digex.net
A1200/120 w/1230XA 50/50/4 = SPEED!     Play:   aj639@Cleveland.FreeNet.EDU
             For info on the AMOS Mailing List, contact me!
             For AMOS Pro news, finger mcox@access.digex.net

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Subject: Mildly amusing...
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My programming partner and I are writing a horse racing prediction
system in AMOS. He knows a journalist on the UK magazine `Personal
Computer World', and this journalist has written a full page article
about our program in the current (September 94) issue of the mag.

Now, this journalist has received a call from someone on the top
British `society' magazine, `The New Statesman', who is interested in
our program!

I don't know if they're going to do an article on it, but if they do
I think I'll have to start getting ready for my TV interviews... :)

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Dominic Ramsey
dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk


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On Wed, 17 Aug 1994, stud.ass. wrote:

> Amiga pages:
> 
> Commodore Amiga Information Resources
> http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001/Web/People/mjw/Computer/Amiga
> maintained by: Michael Witbrock (witbrock@cs.cmu.edu)

general amiga

> 
> Another Home Page -- Robin Evans
> http://www.halcyon.com/robin
> maintained by: Robin Evans (robin@halcyon.com)
> 

arrex, fyi



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does anyone know a way of getting the date and time using Amospro??
Someone told me there was a program to do it in 1.3 but didn't know waht it
was called (I have my doubts if it exited at all!)
There must be a way. Any ideas???
Darryl

-- Via DLG Pro v1.0


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>Now, this journalist has received a call from someone on the top
>British `society' magazine, `The New Statesman', who is interested in
>our program!

Congratulations!

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In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Aug 94 10:18:09 JST."
             <9408171018.AA002pv@ultim.demon.co.uk> 
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 94 09:24:40 +0900
From: OdaMan the AMIGA <odaman@rocky.unoke.pfu.fujitsu.co.jp>
Status: RO

Hi!

> > 	Can I upload it to this list with LHa and uuencode??
> 
> Some people don't like heavy mail through-put (they usually have
> to pay for their internet access).

Yeah, this code has 70Kb over size, so I don't upload it to this
list.

> You would be best to upload your program to the aminet archive.

Unfortunately, I don't have way to upload to AmiNET.

> If you don't have ftp access then UUencode it to me and I will
> upload it for you (Heck, UUencode it & mail it to me anyway :)

Oh, very Thanks!!  But(again), I can't mail to only UK...  I don't
know reason why, I can't.  So I reply to this list.
 
--
                                                      /~~~~~\
     __ | Tetsuo Oda (OdaMan the AMIGA)              | .  .  | Amiga1200(EC020)
__  /// | PFU Software Laboratory Limited, Japan     |  L  " | Amiga500(68000)
\\\///  | odaman@pfu.fujitsu.co.jp                   |   -   | Atari130xe(6502)
 \XX/   | C:\WINDOWS> DEL *.*       HeeeHooo!!  :-)   \_____/  MSXturboR(R800)
 AMIGA     Mr. Jay Miner who made AMIGA passed away, but AMIGA is still ALIVE!!

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From: David Sammons <sammons@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: hello and a little help
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Hello all I'm a new memeber to the list and because I'm new to AMOSPRO 
and a general programing newbie so I ask a little tolerance if my 
question seem obvious...now onto my question:

I'm working to automate a roleplaying game, the game system is of my own 
design as well.  but my first question is twofold, I need to know if 
anyone has something like a CASE statement for amos, or if one exists and 
I've somehow missed it.  this would make life doing random tables alot 
easier I get alittle tired of all the elseifs needed.

secondly I like to make tables that are used by the computer for results 
(like weapons and armor and monsters etc) user alterable so that they are 
in a easy to read format, when I've used the random access files I have 
been inable to alter the contents and still have the file work.
am I missing something that should be plain or is it not possible in AMOS

thanks I hope I have stated this as clearly as possible, if not ask me 
for clarifictions.

_____________________________________________________________________________
Sir Cuts                   *  Time flies like an arrow
Dave Sammons               *  fruit flies like a banana
sammons@oswego.oswego.edu  *  People Who Look On The Bright Side Go BLIND
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Subject: Re: 3D realtime rendered Polygon
To: odaman@pfu.fujitsu.co.jp
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 10:52:14 +0800 (WST)
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In-Reply-To: <9408170446.AA02726@rocky.unoke.pfu.fujitsu.co.jp> from "OdaMan the AMIGA" at Aug 17, 94 01:46:00 pm
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OdaMan wrote:
> I made program to display 3D realtime rendered Polygon graphics.
> And it has custom Copper list.
> 
> 	Can I upload it to this list with LHa and uuencode??

I vote yes.  If someone objects can you just email ME a copy (with music)?
I wrote a similar program in Amos Creator last year and I'd like to
compare the two.

Carl.
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From: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu (Andy Church)
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To: amos-list@access.digex.net
Subject: Re: hello and a little help
Status: RO

>I'm working to automate a roleplaying game, the game system is of my own 
>design as well.  but my first question is twofold, I need to know if 
>anyone has something like a CASE statement for amos, or if one exists and 
>I've somehow missed it.  this would make life doing random tables alot 
>easier I get alittle tired of all the elseifs needed.

  Nope, no CASE statement. :-(

>secondly I like to make tables that are used by the computer for results
>(like weapons and armor and monsters etc) user alterable so that they are
>in a easy to read format, when I've used the random access files I have
>been inable to alter the contents and still have the file work.
>am I missing something that should be plain or is it not possible in AMOS

  If you want a file to be easily understood and modified by humans, the
best way to go is a text file.  I'm not quite sure what you're trying to
do, but in my own RPG, I need lists of data for lots of things - treasures,
doors, items, etc.  What I do is to create a special file which contains
those things in an easy-to-read format, then use a special program which
takes that file and converts it into one that is easy to use for the
program (i.e. binary data).

  If this isn't what you wanted, please explain further.

  --Andy Church

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Date: 15 Aug 94 15:43:00 BST
Subject: RE: RE: FYI .....
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
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Yeah, that is a good question, where will they get CD32's if they aren't
being made anymore ??? I hope C= gets bought out soon, otherwise no more
CD32's - no more Amiga's. Aaaahhhhhhh....

Ja/^\.

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Subject: HELP!!!!
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
Status: RO

Hello,

Somebody, please - tell me how to get my email to the list faster than 5
hours! Does every1 have this problem? If I send a mail in the morning (UK),
I recieve it, with the replies from people late afternoon.
Could it be that the mail is only sent on the internet at specific times
during the day?
If I mail a specific address will it get there faster than if I mailed to
this list?

Does any1 want an AMOS tone dialer? I have made one !!

Mike - Soz, can't FAX today I 4got to bring INDI's FAX number to work
today!! I'll do it tomorrow. :(

Ja/^\.

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Date: 15 Aug 94 16:32:00 BST
Subject: KS 3.1
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Any1,

Where do you get Kickstart 3.1?, and is that THE kickstart 3.1? When did it
come out, is it software/hardware and is it good? Questions, questions...

I suppose that as Commodore's R&D is actually based in the US, so u over
there are likely to get it first.

>>> Uncle Arnie says "Fry 'em alive with his hex vision!"
[Quote RD,5/Quarantine]
   _________      __________
Ja/        \\____//         \ ------> JA29600@ggr.co.uk.

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From: Mr J Andrews <ja29600@ggr.co.uk>
Date: 16 Aug 94 09:05:00 BST
Subject: Kangeroos&Crashes
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Hellooo!,

>>                doke rnd(4095),$dff180
>   Actually, you might want to reverse those two parameters if you don't
> want to crash the system... :-)

Sshhhhh, dont tell any1 !!!!! Heheheh....

> MJA> One last thing, how many different countries do people come from on
> MJA> here?
>
> MJA> Jam.
>
> It being the internet and all, I'd say just about every country that has
> an amiga+modem+electricity. I come from Australia. That's what the ".au"
> at the end of my address means. Perhaps we'll chat later but I gotta git
> going now - the bloody kangaroo just stopped peddling the generator :->
> Darryl

Hey, u suffer from the same problem as me, except my rubber inflateable
salmon is the cause. He just wont swim about enuff. Hmm, get me a goat!

J-/\-M.

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From: Mr J Andrews <ja29600@ggr.co.uk>
Date: 16 Aug 94 11:59:00 BST
Subject: Re: Parallel Ports, etc...
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
Status: RO

Want 2 know about sound SAMPLERS?

Right...    (the following gets jumbled up cos of a dodgy old KeaTerm)

> This may be tough one: (hope not) I'm currently making an fx program w/
> Amos Pro.I'd like to include into it a sound sensing system...I have a
> stereo digitizer in my parallel port (Golem if U want to know). How can I
> make it work together w/ my AMOSPROgram? Do I have to activate the
> digitizer somehow? And when done what I will be getting back? My guess is
> that all these sound digitizers have the same 'language' or how is it?

Peeking the parallel port at address $BFE101 will return u a number roughly
between -250 to 250, I'm not definite cos its been a while. This number is
the volume level coming into the Amiga, well its not really the volume but
u can use it as that.

Try:

Do
   F=Peek($BFE101)
   Print At(0,0);"Sound Level:";f
Loop

Right, that will get you the "volume" of the sound coming into the sampler
- make sure you have some music coming in - amplified! You can then make it
so that when the input source is quiet the value is low, by subtracting
however much it is off f, thus:

Do
   F=Peek($BFE101)-130               130 is just an example number, okay?
   Print At(0,0);"Sound Level:";f
Loop

Then u can put in an if statement, so IF the value of f is over,say, 100
then screen flashes - u can do that, its not hard.

NOTE: Not all sound samplers use address $bfe101 it could be different.
Play about and see what address work best - b careful though! Save first!

Any Questions?.....

J-/\-M `94.

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Subject: Ramsey Island
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 .-----Fnarr-O-HedgeTrimmer------------------------.
 | Hedge trimmer, hedge trimmer. Bzzzzzz.......    |
 | And dont think that just bcoz your sampler prog |
 | is bigger, it isn't better!                     |
 |   Okay, I admit it - its better. Wahhhhhh.. :(  |
 `----------------------Bindybadgy@fishpond--------'

        .---Powerdrill-Plus---------------------------.
        |  o o _ The chicken kiev today was extremely |
        |  \_/   cheesy, wooh - hold that garlic....  |
        `---------MacDonalds@SlaughterHouse.co.ba!----'

>>>>>>>>>> Yes, you do have permision to relieve me at no further notice.

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On Wed, 17 Aug 1994, OdaMan the AMIGA wrote:

> Hi, all.
> 
> I made program to display 3D realtime rendered Polygon graphics.
> And it has custom Copper list.
> 
> 	Can I upload it to this list with LHa and uuencode??
> 
> 
> Of course, I'll erase music from it to make it small.  I want
> advices from you about this program.  I think this speed is
> limit of AMOSPro, if someone can make it more FAST, let me know.
> 
> It has very wonderful Copper.  You'll watch very beautiful Copper.
> There are 13 polygons with 16 shaded colours with 16x16=256 shaded
> colours in its background, and it runs on normal AMIGA!!  But I
> recommend you fast MPU(over 68020/14Mhz.  I made it on my A1200).
> Because Polygons and "making copper list on AMOS" needs more MPU power.
> 
> If you have AMOS-compiler, COMPILE IT AND RUN!!  I don't have
> compiler, so it is quite slow, but if it is compiled, I think it is
> more and more FASTER!!
> 
> 
> If someone says me "don't put large data on this list", I'll not
> put this program.
> 
> 
> OK, if someone want to say about it, mail me.
> Or reply it if I can put quite large data on this list.
> 

If you don't want to post it to this mailing list, then you can email it to me
directly as my mailbox is happy to handle big files

Maciek.




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>anyone has something like a CASE statement for amos, or if one exists and 
Unfortunately, not in the default set of commands.  There is a simple one in the
AMOS CLUb extension.  However, you must be a member of the AMOS CLUB UK to get
a copy of it.  :(

>(like weapons and armor and monsters etc) user alterable so that they are 
>in a easy to read format, when I've used the random access files I have 
>been inable to alter the contents and still have the file work.
>am I missing something that should be plain or is it not possible in AMOS
Well, it is quite possible to alter the contents of random access files, which
is their main purpose.  Perhaps you can explain what you did to alter them?

Mike
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On Wed, 17 Aug 1994, David Sammons wrote:

> Hello all I'm a new memeber to the list and because I'm new to AMOSPRO 
> and a general programing newbie so I ask a little tolerance if my 
> question seem obvious...now onto my question:
> 
> I'm working to automate a roleplaying game, the game system is of my own 
> design as well.  but my first question is twofold, I need to know if 
> anyone has something like a CASE statement for amos, or if one exists and 
> I've somehow missed it.  this would make life doing random tables alot 
> easier I get alittle tired of all the elseifs needed.

would you be able to implement the case using on procs or on gosubs?  If 
I saw a segment of code, i could probably make it a bit more readable 
using on procs (probably ;-)

Ryan, PLAYFIELD!




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On Thu, 18 Aug 1994, Carl Wooltorton wrote:

> OdaMan wrote:
> > I made program to display 3D realtime rendered Polygon graphics.
> > And it has custom Copper list.
> > 
> > 	Can I upload it to this list with LHa and uuencode??
> 
> I vote yes.  If someone objects can you just email ME a copy (with music)?
> I wrote a similar program in Amos Creator last year and I'd like to
> compare the two.

Please send me acopy toooooo

ryan


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On Thu, 18 Aug 1994, Andy Church wrote:

> >I'm working to automate a roleplaying game, the game system is of my own 
> >design as well.  but my first question is twofold, I need to know if 
> >anyone has something like a CASE statement for amos, or if one exists and 
> >I've somehow missed it.  this would make life doing random tables alot 
> >easier I get alittle tired of all the elseifs needed.
> 
>   Nope, no CASE statement. :-(
> 
> >secondly I like to make tables that are used by the computer for results
> >(like weapons and armor and monsters etc) user alterable so that they are
> >in a easy to read format, when I've used the random access files I have
> >been inable to alter the contents and still have the file work.
> >am I missing something that should be plain or is it not possible in AMOS
> 
>   If you want a file to be easily understood and modified by humans, the
> best way to go is a text file.  I'm not quite sure what you're trying to
> do, but in my own RPG, I need lists of data for lots of things - treasures,
> doors, items, etc.  What I do is to create a special file which contains
> those things in an easy-to-read format, then use a special program which
> takes that file and converts it into one that is easy to use for the
> program (i.e. binary data).

Thats ok, except for the possibility that their is a LOT of data - text 
files are extremely slow to load and then you'd have to convert.  It'd be 
better to use random access files, you'd need only a few blocks of data 
in memory at a time, could access new rooms easily...

Ryan, PLAYFIELD!



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I'm going to start the web site probably this weekend.  I'd like to make 
it a place we can all get some source - an archive for AMOS users...  But 
before I do that, I would like to know how many of us are able to 
traverse the web...  If your system has lynx or you are using any type of 
browser you should be able to get to the site.
If you are email only, then you're out of luck, sorry... 

I'd like response from people that think this is a good idea, can access 
it, whatever.  Just reply to rscott@gate.net and give me some feedback.  
I'll be more inclined to do this if I get positive feedback.

Ryan, PLAYFIELD!



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Hi I'm converting that insult-program to ACE basic right now.
New options etc. Author (D.Ramsey) please contact me...
Lost your email address.
(BTW ACE currently does not compile it right... I hate compiler bugs :-(

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> does anyone know a way of getting the date and time using Amospro??
> Someone told me there was a program to do it in 1.3 but didn't know waht it
> was called (I have my doubts if it exited at all!)
> There must be a way. Any ideas???
> Darryl

Try AMOSPro_Productivity2:Procedures/System/_Get_Time.AMOS

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Yeah, every1 dont worry about my mails - they will get to u very late cos
of the lamers at IT inmy work.

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>Hello all I'm a new memeber to the list and because I'm new to AMOSPRO
>and a general programing newbie so I ask a little tolerance if my
>question seem obvious...now onto my question:

Wellcome!

>I'm working to automate a roleplaying game, the game system is of my own
>design as well.  but my first question is twofold, I need to know if
>anyone has something like a CASE statement for amos, or if one exists and
>I've somehow missed it.

Mmmm... you could use ON ... GOTO, or ON ..... GOSUB

>secondly I like to make tables that are used by the computer for results
>(like weapons and armor and monsters etc) user alterable so that they are
>in a easy to read format, when I've used the random access files I have
>been inable to alter the contents and still have the file work.

remember to write OPEN RANDOM.... FIELD..... GET.... PUT..... and CLOSE, do 
you?


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From: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu (Andy Church)
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Subject: Re: hello and a little help
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>> >secondly I like to make tables that are used by the computer for results
>> >(like weapons and armor and monsters etc) user alterable so that they are
>> >in a easy to read format, when I've used the random access files I have
>> >been inable to alter the contents and still have the file work.
>> >am I missing something that should be plain or is it not possible in AMOS
>> 
>>   If you want a file to be easily understood and modified by humans, the
>> best way to go is a text file.  I'm not quite sure what you're trying to
>> do, but in my own RPG, I need lists of data for lots of things - treasures,
>> doors, items, etc.  What I do is to create a special file which contains
>> those things in an easy-to-read format, then use a special program which
>> takes that file and converts it into one that is easy to use for the
>> program (i.e. binary data).
>
>Thats ok, except for the possibility that their is a LOT of data - text 
>files are extremely slow to load and then you'd have to convert.  It'd be 
>better to use random access files, you'd need only a few blocks of data 
>in memory at a time, could access new rooms easily...

  The idea is to do the conversion *separately* from running the main
program.  The conversion would only have to be done once for each text
data file (unless it was changed), and the main program could read the
converted data in and process it quickly.  I would never use text files as
actual data files - as you said, they're far too slow.

  --Andy Church

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> On Wed, 17 Aug 1994, OdaMan the AMIGA wrote:

> > I made program to display 3D realtime rendered Polygon graphics.
> > And it has custom Copper list.
> > 
> > 	Can I upload it to this list with LHa and uuencode??

[Snip-O-matic]

> If you don't want to post it to this mailing list, then you can email it to me
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> Maciek.
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From: Ben Marty <marty@cs.hope.edu>
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	I thought since the random insulter has been posted, some of you might
be interested in a non-insulting funny sentence maker (whose grammar is
always right... I think).  Sometimes the sentences don't make any sense
(incompatible prepositions & verbs), but the grammar, I believe, is always
correct.  (I hope this works right...)
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' Funny Sentence Maker by Ben Marty
Dim NS$(50),NO$(50),VD$(50),VP$(50),VI$(50),ADJ$(50),PR$(30),ADB$(40),ADA$(40),PN$(20),AR$(20)
Restore BEGINDATA
NS=-1
Repeat 
   Inc NS
   Read NS$(NS)
Until NS$(NS)=""
NO=-1
Repeat 
   Inc NO
   Read NO$(NO)
Until NO$(NO)=""
VD=-1
Repeat 
   Inc VD
   Read VD$(VD)
Until VD$(VD)=""
VP=-1
Repeat 
   Inc VP
   Read VP$(VP)
Until VP$(VP)=""
VI=-1
Repeat 
   Inc VI
   Read VI$(VI)
Until VI$(VI)=""
ADJ=-1
Repeat 
   Inc ADJ
   Read ADJ$(ADJ)
Until ADJ$(ADJ)=""
PR=-1
Repeat 
   Inc PR
   Read PR$(PR)
Until PR$(PR)=""
ADB=-1
Repeat 
   Inc ADB
   Read ADB$(ADB)
Until ADB$(ADB)=""
ADA=-1
Repeat 
   Inc ADA
   Read ADA$(ADA)
Until ADA$(ADA)=""
PN=-1
Repeat 
   Inc PN
   Read PN$(PN)
Until PN$(PN)=""
AR=-1
Repeat 
   Inc AR
   Read AR$(AR)
Until AR$(AR)=""
Screen Open 0,640,200,2,Hires
Palette $A,$F8
Open Port 1,"prt:"
E$=Chr$(27)
Print #1,E$+"c"+E$+"[2v"+E$+"[4w"+E$+"[0z"+E$+"M" : L=0
Print "Press `P' to print selected sentences or any other key to skip to the next; Q=quit"
Do 
   Repeat 
      S$=""
      PL=Rnd(2) : VPT=Rnd(2) : TS=Rnd(3)
      NOUNPHRASE[PL]
      S$=S$+Param$
      If TS and %10
         If TS and %1
         If PL<2 : S$=S$+"was " : Else S$=S$+"were " : End If 
         Else 
         If PL<2 : S$=S$+"is " : Else S$=S$+"are " : End If 
      End If : End If 
      VERBPHRASE[PL]
      PL=Rnd(2)
      S$=S$+Param$
      If VPT=1
         PREPOSITION
         S$=S$+Param$+" "
      End If 
      If VPT=2
         NOUNPHRASE[PL]
         PL=Rnd(2)
         S$=S$+Param$
         PREPOSITION
         S$=S$+Param$+" "
      End If 
      NOUNPHRASE[PL]
      S$=S$+Param$ : T=1 : U=Instr(S$," ") : OK=True
      Repeat 
         If Len((" "+S$)-Mid$(" "+S$,T,U-T+2))<Len(S$)-Len(Mid$(" "+S$,T,U-T+2)) Then OK=False : N=T
         T=U+1 : U=Instr(S$," ",U+1)
      Until Instr(S$," ",U+1)=0
   Until OK
   If Rnd(3)=1
      ADVERBAFTER
      S$=S$+Param$+" "
   End If 
   S$=Upper$(Left$(S$,1))+Mid$(S$,2,Len(S$)-2)+"."
   U=0 : Repeat : Inc U : If(Instr(S$," ",U)<80) Then U=Instr(S$," ",U) : If U>0 Then T=U
   Until(U=0 or(Instr(S$," ",U)=>80))
   If Len(S$)<80 Then Print S$ Else Print Left$(S$,T-1) : Print Mid$(S$,T+1)
   Repeat : A$=Upper$(Inkey$) : Until A$<>""
   If A$="P" Then Print #1,S$; : Gosub NXTLINE
   If A$="Q" Then Close 1 : End 
   Randomize Timer
Loop 
NXTLINE:
If L=0 Then Print #1,E$+"M"+E$+"[4v"
If L=1 Then Print #1,E$+"[2v"
L=1-L
Return 

Procedure NOUNPHRASE[PL]
   Repeat 
      ARTICLE
      OK=True : If(Param$="this") or(Param$="that") Then If PL=2 Then OK=False
      If Param$="a" Then If PL<>0 Then OK=False
      If Param$="some" Then If PL<1 Then OK=False
      If Param$="these" Then If PL<2 Then OK=False
   Until OK
   S$=S$+Param$+" "
   ADJECTIVE
   S$=S$+Param$+" "
   If PL=0 Then Proc SNGNOUN : Else If(PL=1) Then Proc SUBSTANCE : Else Proc PLNOUN
   S$=S$+Param$+" "
End Proc[S$]
Procedure VERBPHRASE[PL]
   Shared VPT,TS,VD,VP,VI,VD$(),VP$(),VI$()
   If Rnd(2)=1 Then Proc ADVERBEFORE : S$=S$+Param$+" "
   If VPT=0 Then VERBOBJ[TS,PL]
   If VPT=1 Then VERBPREP[TS,PL]
   If VPT=2 Then VERBIND[TS,PL]
   S$=S$+Param$+" "
End Proc[S$]
Procedure FRM[A$,N]
   A=Instr(A$,"/")
   B$=Left$(A$,A-1)
   If N>0
      B=A
      For T=1 To N
         A=B
         B=Instr(A$,"/",A)+1
      Next 
   End If 
   If Instr(A$,"/",B)>0 and(N>0) Then B$=B$+Mid$(A$,B,Instr(A$,"/",B)-B) Else N=N : If N>0 Then B$=B$+Mid$(A$,B)
   For T=1 To Len(B$) : If Mid$(B$,T,1)="<" Then B$=Left$(B$,T-2)+Mid$(B$,T+1) : Add T,-2
   Next 
End Proc[B$]
Procedure SUBSTANCE
   Shared NS,NS$()
   A$=NS$(Rnd(NS-1))
End Proc[A$]
Procedure PLNOUN
   Shared NO,NO$()
   FRM[NO$(Rnd(NO-1)),1]
   A$=Param$
End Proc[A$]
Procedure SNGNOUN
   Shared NO,NO$()
   FRM[NO$(Rnd(NO-1)),0]
   A$=Param$
End Proc[A$]
Procedure VERBOBJ[TENSE,PL]
   Shared VD,VD$()
   If TENSE and %10 : C=3
   Else 
      If TENSE and %1 : C=2
      Else 
      If PL<2 : C=1 : Else C=0 : End If 
   End If : End If 
   FRM[VD$(Rnd(VD-1)),C]
   A$=Param$
End Proc[A$]
Procedure VERBPREP[TENSE,PL]
   Shared VP,VP$()
   If TENSE and %10 : C=3
   Else 
      If TENSE and %1 : C=2
      Else 
      If PL<2 : C=1 : Else C=0 : End If 
   End If : End If 
   FRM[VP$(Rnd(VP-1)),C]
   A$=Param$
End Proc[A$]
Procedure VERBIND[TENSE,PL]
   Shared VI,VI$()
   If TENSE and %10 : C=3
   Else 
      If TENSE and %1 : C=2
      Else 
      If PL<2 : C=1 : Else C=0 : End If 
   End If : End If 
   FRM[VI$(Rnd(VI-1)),C]
   A$=Param$
End Proc[A$]
Procedure ADJECTIVE
   Shared ADJ,ADJ$()
   A$=ADJ$(Rnd(ADJ-1))
End Proc[A$]
Procedure PREPOSITION
   Shared PR,PR$()
   A$=PR$(Rnd(PR-1))
End Proc[A$]
Procedure ADVERBEFORE
   Shared ADB,ADB$()
   A$=ADB$(Rnd(ADB-1))
End Proc[A$]
Procedure ADVERBAFTER
   Shared ADA,ADA$()
   A$=ADA$(Rnd(ADA-1))
End Proc[A$]
Procedure PRONOUN
   Shared PN,PN$()
   A$=PN$(Rnd(PN-1))
End Proc[A$]
Procedure ARTICLE
   Shared AR,AR$()
   A$=AR$(Rnd(AR-1))
End Proc[A$]
'Nouns 
'   Substances 
BEGINDATA:
Data "air","juice","food","hair","plastic","metal","wood","foliage"
Data "electricity","skin","noise","music","fingernail","information"
Data "stuffing","cloth","force","energy","toejam","jelly","anger"
Data "joy","money","grass","lint","foam","paper","clay","wax","oil"
Data "wind","snow","goop","slime","mercury","mud","dirt",""
'   Objects
Data "mouth/s","nose/s","floor/s","blade/s","tongue/s","computer/s","keypad/s"
Data "belly button/s","cloud/s","plate/s","fork/s","letter/s","ladder/s","carrot/s"
Data "jar/s","book/s","shelf/<ves","knob/s","wheel/s","mouse/<<<<ice","calendar/s","table/s"
Data "refrigerator/s","sofa/s","bubble/s","sock/s","eyelash/es","switch/es","light bulb/s"
Data "microwave/s","wristwatch/es","second/s","clock/s","ring/s","knife/<<ves","house/s"
Data "joke/s","bicycle/s","porpoise/s","person/<<<<ople","wad/s",""
'Verbs 
'    with direct object
Data "poke/s/d/<ing","eat/s/<<<ate/ing","swirl/s/ed/ing","operate/s/d/<ing"
Data "destroy/s/ed/ing","create/s/d/<ing","pass/es/ed/ing","feel/s/<<lt/ing"
Data "push/es/ed/ing","smell/s/ed/ing","observe/s/d/<ing","twirl/s/ed/ing"
Data "open/s/ed/ing","push/es/ed/ing","support/s/ed/ing","contemplate/s/d/<ing"
Data "squeeze/s/d/<ing","lift/s/ed/ing","drop/s/ped/ping",""
'    for prepositions
Data "run/s/<<an/ning","blow/s/<<ew/ing","look/s/ed/ing","collapse/s/d/<ing"
Data "relax/es/ed/ing","sleep/s/<<pt/ing","cry/<ies/<ied/ing"
Data "sit/s/<<at/ting","sneeze/s/d/<ing","climb/s/ed/ing",""
'    For indirect object 
Data "point/s/ed/ing","forget/s/<<ot/ting","put/s/<t/ting"
Data "throw/s/<<ew/ing","force/s/d/<ing","stuff/s/ed/ing"
Data "insert/s/ed/ing","direct/s/ed/ing","pound/s/ed/ing"
Data "stick/s/<<<uck/ing","hide/s/<<d/<ing",""
'adjectives
Data "silly","purple","striped","unusual","bad","good","hard","soft","dry"
Data "wet","messy","clean","high","low","distant","nearby","funny","boring"
Data "disagreeable","kind","forceful","undecided","hopeless","sleepy"
Data "invisible","impossible","slimy","stretchy","bouncy","bendy",""
'prepositions
Data "to","around","inside","between","through","on","in","over","under"
Data "for","at","toward","before",""
'adverbs 
'   before 
Data "instantly","regrettingly","dynamically","messily","hopefully"
Data "promptly","unexpectedly","actually","stupidly","directly"
Data "incorrectly","selfishly","generously","wickedly","secretly"
Data "foolishly","intelligently","questionably","always",""
'   after
Data "pronto","just because","for fun","once","...NOT","over there"
Data "in particular","very carefully","somehow","whenever"
Data "in case of fire","out loud","for all to see","in a wierd fasion",""
'pronouns
Data "he","she","it","somebody","that","this",""
'articles
Data "a","the","my","this","that","some","these",""

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From: Ben Marty <marty@cs.hope.edu>
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	I should tell you all (whoever's interested in random sentence making)
that that program opens the printer port so if you don't have a printer
turned on, you should comment out the "Open Port" and "print #" command.
Here are some examples of output:
My unusual second was stupidly stuffing this silly music around these disagreeable refrigerators for all to see.
Some silly floors are foolishly smelling the wet wristwatches.
Some kind stuffing directs a impossible wad through my disagreeable foam.
A disagreeable book regrettingly sits to my bouncy juice.
The dry jokes cried to this sleepy tongue whenever.
A kind mouse was blowing to that distant skin pronto.
My hard cloth is creating this disagreeable toejam.
My boring knobs were promptly forcing some wet mice toward that kind dirt.

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_____________________________________________________________________________
Sir Cuts                   *  Time flies like an arrow
Dave Sammons               *  fruit flies like a banana
sammons@oswego.oswego.edu  *  People Who Look On The Bright Side Go BLIND
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On Thu, 18 Aug 1994, Andy Church wrote:

> >(like weapons and armor and monsters etc) user alterable so that they are
> >in a easy to read format, when I've used the random access files I have
> >been inable to alter the contents and still have the file work.
> >am I missing something that should be plain or is it not possible in AMOS
> 
>   If you want a file to be easily understood and modified by humans, the
> best way to go is a text file.  I'm not quite sure what you're trying to
> do, but in my own RPG, I need lists of data for lots of things - treasures,
> doors, items, etc.  What I do is to create a special file which contains
> those things in an easy-to-read format, then use a special program which
> takes that file and converts it into one that is easy to use for the
> program (i.e. binary data).
> 
>   If this isn't what you wanted, please explain further.

Ok, yes I wanted a form of text file that user can alter or different 
files can be used for different game world, you metioned exactly what I 
wanted, BUT I need to be able to access this file randomly, so how would 
I go about do this so that the files that the computer uses can be alter 
easily by the user, I've tried forcefeeding the program text from a file 
it did not create (a random access file) and it didnt go over very well.
Once I get this block out of my way I'll be ready to link the utils to 
menus and add all the other goodies...

On the matter of a CASE statement, before I started using random access 
files I was using a real simple if..elseif loop to give me the random 
results I needed for character generation, these loops pull up looks, 
occupations, skills etc and make it a very long program when I know it 
doesnt have to be....I saw the insult-o-matic file and that looks closer 
to what I was trying to do, but I need the tables alterable easily by non 
AMOS users....

hope I made that clear enough, and thank you all for the help you've give 
me so far!


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>On Thu, 18 Aug 1994, Carl Wooltorton wrote:
>
>> OdaMan wrote:
>> > I made program to display 3D realtime rendered Polygon graphics.
>> > And it has custom Copper list.
>> > 
>> >     Can I upload it to this list with LHa and uuencode??
>> 
>> I vote yes.  If someone objects can you just email ME a copy (with music)?
>> I wrote a similar program in Amos Creator last year and I'd like to
>> compare the two.
>
>Please send me acopy toooooo
>
>ryan
>

And me!!!

-Bjoern.

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From: Mr J Andrews <ja29600@ggr.co.uk>
Date: 19 Aug 94 09:42:00 BST
Subject: What, where, when??
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Hello!

After finding out another problem I now realise what the hell is going on.
Thanx to every1 who replied when they finally got my mails, the reason of
the slowness was due to three reasons :

1 - The internet gateways at my work got congested - yes, congested!
2 - It takes a while for my mails to get to the US in the first place.
3 - PC's are crap. Hang on, how did that get there??

I'm quite glad a few of my mails actually bounced - u lot will never seem
em!!!

NOTE : I'm James Andrews, not Mr J - Stupid KeaTerm sticks its there!!

Replies to people : -

************************************************************************

Mike Cox : - STILL no word from Indi, I might re-fax them and put my voice
number in as well. I have a feeling they have faxed the reply 2 some1 else!
I'll keep trying.

************************************************************************
> How do you then write to the parallel port, controlling
> D0-D7 ack,pout & sel &
>
> Mark Fennell

Erm, you broke off a bit. What were u trying to say. If D0-D7 refers to
data registers - dont ask me! Did u know there used to be some1 on this
list with a name VERY similar to yours?
************************************************************************

Dominic Ramsey Island - Come on admit, your'e barmier than me! Hold down
those teflon tea strainers. Your source code aint dodgy - just havin a
larf. It's just my mail mess concerning Samplers was as good as yours
- did u get my reply (it could have bounced).

************************************************************************

This reply also refers to any1 who asked me about it.

> I want the tone dialer!
>
> ryan, PLAYFIELD!

I have just found the PC version of UUENCODE on the network at my real
work. I can definitly use the program (do I include checksums?).

NOTE: How do u use Kermit transfer?, there are loads of options and after I
have selected the file to send it doesn't ask me for a destination. I
think.

>> Does any1 want an AMOS tone dialer? I have made one !!
>>
>
> Upload it to Aminet.

Cant! I dont have FTP, etc. I could to some1 who did though....

*************************************************************************

Er, thats about it 4 me. Gotta send this off now, otherwise it will take
another day for it 2 get back.

Cya l8r m8y's!

J-/\-M `94.

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From: "stud.ass." <bcollin@mpi.nl>
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> On Thu, 18 Aug 1994, Andy Church wrote:
> 
> > >(like weapons and armor and monsters etc) user alterable so
> > >that they are in a easy to read format, when I've used the
> > >random access files I have been inable to alter the contents
> > >and still have the file work. am I missing something that
> > >should be plain or is it not possible in AMOS
> > 
> >   If you want a file to be easily understood and modified by
> > humans, the best way to go is a text file.  I'm not quite sure
> > what you're trying to do, but in my own RPG, I need lists of
> > data for lots of things - treasures, doors, items, etc.  What I
> > do is to create a special file which contains those things in
> > an easy-to-read format, then use a special program which takes
> > that file and converts it into one that is easy to use for the
> > program (i.e. binary data).
> > 
> >   If this isn't what you wanted, please explain further.
> 
> Ok, yes I wanted a form of text file that user can alter or
> different files can be used for different game world, you
> mentioned exactly what I wanted, BUT I need to be able to access
> this file randomly, so how would I go about do this so that the
> files that the computer uses can be alter easily by the user,
> I've tried forcefeeding the program text from a file it did not
> create (a random access file) and it didnt go over very well.
> Once I get this block out of my way I'll be ready to link the
> utils to menus and add all the other goodies...
>

Random access files are by default not user modifyable, because 
there will always be users that do not stick to the instructions. 
However, AMOS does have the possibility to randomly access 
sequential files. I do not know the name of the instruction that 
does this, so lets say it's called grab(N) where N can be anything 
between 1 and the length of the file. Grab(n) will set the point 
where Amos will start to read the file to N.

Now suppose your file                  ...and this is what
looked originally like:            the user has done to it:

   123456789                           123456789
00 #1name:Go                        00 #1name:Th
10 rf #2stre                        10 e Great O
20 ngth:-1 #                        20 ne #2stre

As you can see, it is quite readable (I hope :-)), but random 
access would not work, because your RPG would expect the strength 
paramater to start at position 26 and the user has tampered with 
the file.
That's where the grab() command (it really is not called that, look 
up the real command in your manual) comes in. You grab(14) -in the 
original file this is where '#2strength' is- and then read in say, 
the next 10 characters. In the string you get this way you look for 
the #2 sign. If you find it you will know where to find the 
strength parameter. If you find #3 you will have to jump back to 
grab(4) and if you do not find anything or just #1, you will have 
to jump forward.

Although this method is the only one I know of that allows for 
randomly accessing user-definable files, it is far from foolproof.

Personally, I would go for the extra work and design an editor for 
the programme.

The ugly option, but the easiest to implement and maybe also the 
friendliest to the user would be to store all your information in 
many little files instead of one big one.

Branko Collin
bcollin@mpi.nl 



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Could anyone say me if in the UK AmigaFormat is selling?
here in Mexico the last one was march.

__________________________
Hugo Ramses Moreno Ramos
     Universidad de Guadalajara
     Direccion de Sistemas de Informacion
     Diseno y Multimedia

ramses@redudg.udg.mx

"You don't know what are you loosing when you haven't an Amiga"

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> >> Does any1 want an AMOS tone dialer? I have made one !!
> >>
> >
> > Upload it to Aminet.

I thought US and UK tones were different. Does the program account
for this, or does it just work in the UK?

 .---- Insult-O-matic ------------------------------------------------.
 |   You're a rubber, fire-resistant cheeseburger, you are!           |
 `---------------------------------------- dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk ----'

--
Dominic Ramsey
dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk


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> On the matter of a CASE statement, before I started using random access 
> files I was using a real simple if..elseif loop to give me the random 
> results I needed for character generation, these loops pull up looks, 
> occupations, skills etc and make it a very long program when I know it 
> doesnt have to be....I saw the insult-o-matic file and that looks closer 
> to what I was trying to do, but I need the tables alterable easily by non 
> AMOS users....

If I had written Insult-o-matic "nicely", I would have used ON....GOSUB
instead of lots of If...End If statements. But then Insult-o-matic was
never designed to be "nice".

[The views expressed below are those of my Amiga, not me...]

 .---- Insult-O-matic ------------------------------------------------.
 |   I've heard that you have been depressed ever since you heard     |
 |   that Paul Hickman drinks methanol with the sardine in your       |
 |   bathroom.                                                        |
 `---------------------------------------- dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk ----'

--
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	Just to put my two one-hundredths of a dollar's worth in:

An empty string (or null character) is the least you can have.  Hence,
the traditional != (not equal) in basic "<>" is one character too
long.

	If A$>"" is exactly the same as If A$<>""!! 

thank you for your time

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> > It being the internet and all, I'd say just about every country that has
> > an amiga+modem+electricity. I come from Australia. That's what the ".au"
> > at the end of my address means. Perhaps we'll chat later but I gotta git
> > going now - the bloody kangaroo just stopped peddling the generator :->
> > Darryl
> 
> Hey, u suffer from the same problem as me, except my rubber inflateable
> salmon is the cause. He just wont swim about enuff. Hmm, get me a goat!

Well over here in the west it hasn't rained for a week...the old
waterwheel isn't generating as much as it used to.

Carl.
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            >>>>>>>>>>>>>> F N A R R R R ! ! ! ! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

   I dont suppose, any1 on here can get me a copy of the Intuition
extension, is the writer of the extension on here come to think of it? Oh,
and if it's shareware can I the unregistered version, please?

      Remember : Yo ho ho and a bottle of white rum & coke. Ha harr!

   Are there any people on here who want a copy of Virtual Light. A fresh
and funky diskmag >>>Straight from the UK, so nobody knows what we're on
about? And its to do with the Amiga Scene - as in scene I mean demos,
utils, pirating, cracking, parties, rumours, and the rest. Don't worry it's
not illegal just cos some of the people who write 4 it copy games. Oh and
it doesn't only cover Amiga stuff, so there. If ya like Grapevine then
you'll love this. NOTE: This isn't a marketing ploy!

BUT: its not ready yet!
AND: Its written in AMOS.
NO! You cant have the source!

        From J-/\-M `94.

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From: Darryl_Lewis@comlink.mpx.com.au (Darryl Lewis)
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Subject: Re: parallel port
Status: RO

> I'm currently making an fx program w/ Amos Pro.
> I'd like to include into it a sound sensing system...
> I have a stereo digitizer in my parallel port (Golem if U
> want to know). How can I make it work together w/ my AMOS
> PROgram?
> Do I have to activate the digitizer somehow?
> And when done what I will be getting back?
> My guess is that all these sounddigitizers have the
> same 'language' or how is it?

 DR> Screen Open 0,352,290,2,Lowres
 DR> Screen Display 0,,30,,
 DR> Hide On 
 DR> Cls 0
 DR> Circle 176,145,100 : Paint 176,145
 DR> A=$BFE101 : AA=$BFE103
 DR> THRESH=2
 DR> ' 
 DR> Do 
 DR>    S=Abs(Peek(A)-128)
 DR>    SS=Abs(Peek(AA)-128)
 DR>    If SS>THRESH
 DR>       Colour 0,Rnd(4095) : Wait Vbl 
 DR>       Fade 1 : Wait 5
 DR>    End If 
 DR>    If S>THRESH
 DR>       Colour 1,Rnd(4095) : Wait Vbl 
 DR>       Fade 1 : Wait 5
 DR>    End If 
 DR> Loop 
 DR> ----Cut Here----

 DR> I don't know if it will work with your sampler, but it works with
 DR> mine.
 DR> Try adjusting the THRESH value if it doesn't work properly.

I have the Perfect Sound sampler and this does not work!
I wrote a loop to just peek $BFE101 and display it on the screen. It didn't
change. Bummer.
I know the sampler works.
Any one got any ideas?
Please.....  ;-{
Darryl

-- Via DLG Pro v1.0


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From: Ben Marty <marty@cs.hope.edu>
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	Hey Everyone!  Version 1.25b of TechnoVenture has bee Uploaded to
Aminet.  This game won the Playfield! programming contest so, if you haven't,
I suggest you try it.  I realized that powerpacking it caused many problems
on some Amigas so in this version, it is no longer powerpacked (or did I do
that AFTER I uploaded it?)  so if you have a powerpacked version of Techno-
Venture (less than 100k), try running it backwards through Powerpacker and
then saving it (nothing special about running it backwards, just load and
save), then see if it works.
	IF YOU GET TECHNOVENTURE, be SURE to read the text that is
displayed when you run it at some point or another (the same text that you
can double-click to read from Workbench) because it tells you how to load
other maps, save games, record games, control speed and more!
	I'd like to hear back from anyone who tries TechnoVenture.  I hope
someday that there will be many more maps out there created by all of you
so I can know what it's like to play a map I've never seen before.

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Date: Sat, 20 Aug 1994 12:56:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: testing the empty string
To: Peter Allen <peter@brl2.med.nyu.edu>
Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net
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On Sat, 20 Aug 1994, Peter Allen wrote:

> 	Just to put my two one-hundredths of a dollar's worth in:
> 
> An empty string (or null character) is the least you can have.  Hence,
> the traditional != (not equal) in basic "<>" is one character too
> long.
> 
> 	If A$>"" is exactly the same as If A$<>""!! 
> 
> thank you for your time
> 

I just ran a little test on this:

Multi No 
A$="sdfsdf"
G=Timer
For T=1 To 500000
   H=A$<>""
Next T
Print Timer-G;"<>"
G=Timer
For T=1 To 500000
   H=A$>""
Next T
Print Timer-G;">"
Multi Yes 

(you can skip the Multi No, Yes if you don't have TURBO PLUS)

The results when compiled:
728<>
738>

Its just a tiny little bit *slower*.  Why, I don't know.  Thats AMOS for you.

Ryan who enjoys interesting tidbits of info PLAYFIELD!



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> Could anyone say me if in the UK AmigaFormat is selling?
> here in Mexico the last one was march.

The August issue is on sale now & the September issue comes out
on Thursday.

Did you want the subscription details?

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Sorry to write to the list, folks, but I'm testing my email filter and 
you are my unwitting victims!

Feel free to flame me - It'll give me the chance to test my brand new 
flame filter!  (ha ha, please don't flame me I don't have a clue what the 
heck I am doing)

ryan



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> > 	Just to put my two one-hundredths of a dollar's worth in:
> > 
> > An empty string (or null character) is the least you can have.  Hence,
> > the traditional != (not equal) in basic "<>" is one character too
> > long.
> > 
> > 	If A$>"" is exactly the same as If A$<>""!! 
> > 
> > thank you for your time
> > 
> 
> I just ran a little test on this:

> The results when compiled:
> 728<>
> 738>
> 
> Its just a tiny little bit *slower*.  Why, I don't know.  Thats AMOS for you.

To do a <>, all you have to do is XOR the two numbers, then compare the 
result to 0.  A > requires a subtraction, which takes longer.

> Ryan who enjoys interesting tidbits of info PLAYFIELD!

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> Ryan who enjoys interesting tidbits of info PLAYFIELD!

Like the fact that

Ink 0 : Bar 0,0 To 319,199

is faster than

Cls 0

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Hi,
	How can I organize my game loop so that if one of 'X'
	monsters dies, the rest don't speed up?  I can't really
	slow them down to start with since I find AMOS to be
	slow for all the things I need on screen.  Thanx
	for any hints, suggestions.


					Sami


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From: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu (Andy Church)
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To: amos-list@access.digex.net
Subject: Re: testing the empty string
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>> > 	If A$>"" is exactly the same as If A$<>""!! 
>> 
>> I just ran a little test on this:
>
>> The results when compiled:
>> 728<>
>> 738>
>> 
>> Its just a tiny little bit *slower*.  Why, I don't know.  Thats AMOS for you.
>
>To do a <>, all you have to do is XOR the two numbers, then compare the 
>result to 0.  A > requires a subtraction, which takes longer.

  Not quite.  For integers, all comparisons would be equal, since all that's
required, in a compiled program anyway, is a CMP (compare) and a Bcc
(conditional branch) instruction.  For strings, an equality comparison is
relatively quick - you just need to compare the lengths and, if necessary,
the strings themselves; a less-than/greater-than comparison requires each
character of the string to be checked until an inequality is found.  In the
case of the null string, there's not much actual difference, but I'd bet that
if you used two strings like "asdfgh" and "asdh", the '>' comparison would
take significantly longer than the '<>' comparison.

  --Andy Church

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Date: Sat, 20 Aug 1994 21:32:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: testing the empty string
To: Dominic Ramsey <dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk>
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On Sat, 20 Aug 1994, Dominic Ramsey wrote:

> > Ryan who enjoys interesting tidbits of info PLAYFIELD!
> 
> Like the fact that
> 
> Ink 0 : Bar 0,0 To 319,199
> 
> is faster than
> 
> Cls 0

well, not significantly - 

Screen Open 0,320,200,8,Lowres
T=Timer
For G=1 To 200
   Cls 0
Next G
C1=Timer-T

Ink 0 : Rem note ink is not in loop
T=Timer
For G=1 To 200
   Bar 0,0 To 319,199
Next G
C2=Timer-T

T=Timer
For G=1 To 200
   Blit Clear -1
Next G
C3=Timer-T

Print C1,C2,C3

4 color screen - results of above were 86,86,58
8 color screen -                      140,140,91
16 cols				      199,199,133
32 cols			 	      275,274,179
64 cols	and Ham			      363,359,247

times varied with repeated runnings, by about 1-3.

Blit Clear is a TURBO PLUS command  8-)




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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: testing the empty string
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On Sat, 20 Aug 1994, Andy Church wrote:

> >result to 0.  A > requires a subtraction, which takes longer.
> 
>   Not quite.  For integers, all comparisons would be equal, since all that's
> required, in a compiled program anyway, is a CMP (compare) and a Bcc
> (conditional branch) instruction.  For strings, an equality comparison is
> relatively quick - you just need to compare the lengths and, if necessary,
> the strings themselves; 

I hate to say it but I doubt it was done that way.  Most likely a more 
general purpose way was developed that was much slower.  I would like to 
*hope* it was done by first comparing lengths...

>a less-than/greater-than comparison requires each
> character of the string to be checked until an inequality is found.  In the
> case of the null string, there's not much actual difference, but I'd bet that
> if you used two strings like "asdfgh" and "asdh", the '>' comparison would
> take significantly longer than the '<>' comparison.
> 
>   --Andy Church
> 
> 


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To: cokars@cuug.ab.ca (Sami Cokar)
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> 
> Hi,
> 	How can I organize my game loop so that if one of 'X'
> 	monsters dies, the rest don't speed up?  I can't really
> 	slow them down to start with since I find AMOS to be
> 	slow for all the things I need on screen.  Thanx
> 	for any hints, suggestions.

Make your screen slightly larger than the playing area and reduce the 
visible size :

Screen Open 0,352,200,32,Lowres
Screen Display 0,,,320,

then when a monster dies, just move the horizontal position off the screen...

(Or, alternatively, have the movement compensate itself - as you reduce 
the number of monsters, increase the number of frames of animation.  More 
complicated, but more elegant, too...)

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From: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu (Andy Church)
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>	How can I organize my game loop so that if one of 'X'
>	monsters dies, the rest don't speed up?  I can't really
>	slow them down to start with since I find AMOS to be
>	slow for all the things I need on screen.  Thanx
>	for any hints, suggestions.

  For one thing, compile!  It dramatically increases the execution
speed of your program.

  If you need consistent timing in this kind of situation, you should
use the Wait Vbl command at the end of your loop.  This way, once all
the operations are done, AMOS will wait until the next vertical blank
interal - the blank area at the top of the screen - no matter how long
your main loop took.  If your main loop takes longer than a single VBL
(1/50 second in PAL, 1/60 second in NTSC), you'll need something like
the following:

Do
   TIME1=Timer
   ...
   While TIME1+X>Timer : Wait Vbl : Wend
Loop

where X is the maximum number of VBLs your main loop takes to complete.
To determine this, add the following to your program:

'Initialisation stuff

_MAX_TIME=0

'Main loop
Do
   TIME1=Timer
   ...
   Wait Vbl
   TIME2=Timer-TIME1
   If TIME2>_MAX_TIME Then _MAX_TIME = TIME2
Loop

  After your program has run for a while, quit it (or break it with
Control-C) and, in Direct mode, enter "Print _MAX_TIME".  This will
give you the value of X your code needs.

  --Andy Church

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Sami,

There are a few different ways.

1. You can speed your game up enought that it always goes at 60/50 FPS,
then a Wait VBL will keep it at a constant speed.  But this isn't always
possible.

2. Time the main loop each time it runs (if it runs fairly slowly then
this will work prety well), and if it runs in less than a certian number
of VBLs then Wait some more VBLs.  That will keep a comstant speed,
bu it'll always be as slow as with lots of enemies on screen.

3. Re-code your game so that all speeds and X/Y Co-ords are recorded in
some portion of one pixel.  Say in 1/16ths of a pixel.  So if you wanted
an enemy at screen X position 100, it's internal X Co-ord would be 1600.
Then you just divide each X/Y Co-ord by 16 in the Bob command.  To make
this all work, you time how long the main loop takes each time it loops,
and you use that number to move your objects.  Then if your loop starts
out taking, say, 4 VBLs to run, then later on with less enemies it takes
2 VBLs to run, then things will be moving half as much each frame and
they will appear to be moving the same speed as before.

Seumas (sfmcnally@bix.com)

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>I'd like response from people that think this is a good idea, can access
>it, whatever.  Just reply to rscott@gate.net and give me some feedback.
>I'll be more inclined to do this if I get positive feedback.
>
>Ryan, PLAYFIELD!

Yes it is a good idea!

__________________________
Hugo Ramses Moreno Ramos
     Universidad de Guadalajara
     Direccion de Sistemas de Informacion
     Diseno y Multimedia

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OK now I've had two suggestions that sound really good, one is to write a 
seperate editor for my files, that sounds really good to me, 'cept for 
one little detail...I havent a clue on how to go about it!

the second suggestion said that random lines can be pulled by useing a 
command (walks across room for manual) and I cant find any command that 
even reads close to that! anyone know the command that was metioned?

Thanks again for everyone help, I was going to assci dump my code tonight 
but it seems I got my idea across well enough now.

Gee and I thought I picked something nice and simple to start with...but 
at least once I get this part done I'm home free
thanks again
_____________________________________________________________________________
Sir Cuts                   *  Time flies like an arrow
Dave Sammons               *  fruit flies like a banana
sammons@oswego.oswego.edu  *  People Who Look On The Bright Side Go BLIND
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	Perhaps the reason that "<>" is quicker than ">" is because "<>" IS
A SINGLE OPERATOR.  It's just represented by two characters in BASIC-like
languages.  It's a lot easier to check if two things are equal than it is
to check whether it's greater or less than.  I'm assuming that when the line
with "<>" is tokenized, the "<>" is tokenized as a single keyword meaning
"not equal to."

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	If you use Wait VBL, I think you can control the speed of the
monsters without slowing them down to start with.  That is unless displaying
all the monsters takes more than 1/60th of a second.  Wait VBL will just wait
until the beam reaches the bottom of the monitor before continuing, therefore,
if your program finished the update early, it will wait longer and if it
finishes late, it will wait shortly, as long as it hasn't taken so long that
the beam has returned to the top.  If it does take more than 1/60th of a
second, you may want to keep track and make sure that all updates take the
same number of 60th's of a second using Timer.  So for instance if it takes
3/60ths of a second for all the monsters to update at the beginning, do this:
Set Temporary variable = Timer
Update
Wait 3-(Timer-Temporary variable)  (maybe + 1?)

	I haven't thought about all this very carefully so anybody feel free
to comment.

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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Consistent speed
To: Sami Cokar <cokars@cuug.ab.ca>
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On Sat, 20 Aug 1994, Sami Cokar wrote:

> Hi,
> 	How can I organize my game loop so that if one of 'X'
> 	monsters dies, the rest don't speed up?  I can't really
> 	slow them down to start with since I find AMOS to be
> 	slow for all the things I need on screen.  Thanx
> 	for any hints, suggestions.
> 
> 
> 					Sami

On possiblity is to not turn him off, but to place him offscreen.  During 
the monster control routines, if the monster is off screen, it just skips 
past the control code.  The slowest part is drawing the monster on 
screen, not the control code, generally, so by keeping him on screen the 
speed should stay more constant.  

Another possibility is to set V=Timer at the beginning of the main loop, 
then when you get to the end of the main loop, Repeat: Until Abs(Timer-V) 
>= 2 will keep the main loop running at 2 or move vbls.  It should make 
it consistently one speed (slow!)   I prefer method 1!

Ryan, PLAYFIELD!



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Subject: Re: Consistent speed
To: marty@cs.hope.edu (Ben Marty)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 1994 12:46:28 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net, cokars@cuug.ab.ca
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Here's ANOTHER way of doing it which gets slightly more complicated, but 
I'll try and explain it sensibly...  Basically, you assign a velocity to 
each monster, say 16 pixels a second, then time each screen redraw and 
adjust their speed-per-frame accordingly, like this.

SPEED=16
F=16
Do
   A=Timer
   For N=1 to NUMBER_OF_MONSTERS
      ' Update BOb position with X=X+(SPEED/F) and Y=Y+(SPEED/F)
      ' The longer each frame takes to draw, the further each BOb
      ' will move in one frame.
      Bob N,X,Y,
   Next N
   ' Rest of routine goes here
   F=(Timer-A)/50
   ' Change this to 60 for NTSC.  This has the advantage of making the game
   ' play at exactly the same speed on NTSC and PAL machines, and even
   ' on accelerated machines...
Loop

It needs a bit of tidying up, but I tried it out earlier and it works 
more or less.

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Subject: Re: Consistent speed
To: marty@cs.hope.edu (Ben Marty)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 1994 12:50:14 -0400 (EDT)
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Just realised I made a BIG mistake in my last post - it should be 
X=X+(SPEED*F) not X=X+(SPEED/F).  Oops. :)


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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: the web site for AMOS
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I have started the web site for AMOS - it can be accessed with any web 
browser like lynx or mosaic or whatever you use.  Its JUST begun so don't 
expect it to even *work*, but go ahead and give it a go.  I'd like lots 
of feedback and lots of participation.  Keep in mind I work a *lot* so 
don't expect rapid fire miracles or bug fixes.

I'd like it to be a repository of information for AMOS - a more permanent 
fixture than the mailing list.  I want to incorporate *everything*, like 
pointers to the mailing list archive, how to sub, programs you wish to 
contribute, graphics for games, advert for yourself if you can do 
graphics, coding damn near whatever you want.  I won't restrict much 
unless it gets out of hand!  

Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

Remember, I just started so its just a minor beginning.  I want feedback 
on all of it - how its arranged, what you'd like to see, etc.  I figure 
we can discuss it on the mailing list, unless there are major objections 
to it.  I can't set up a mailing list here yet but if its necessary, I 
will move it to one at the earliest possible time.

BTW: I am going to solicit other sites to point to it, even some 
commercial ones because I'd like to sell some of PLAYFIELD!' stuff on it, 
so we should get some visits.

Ryan, PLAYFIELD!


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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: forgot the url!
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heres the url, ha ha

http://www.gate.net/~rscott/

that SHOULD do it.  


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From: Dominic Ramsey <dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk>
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> On possiblity is to not turn him off, but to place him offscreen.  During 
> the monster control routines, if the monster is off screen, it just skips 
> past the control code.  The slowest part is drawing the monster on 
> screen, not the control code, generally, so by keeping him on screen the 
> speed should stay more constant.  
> 
> Another possibility is to set V=Timer at the beginning of the main loop, 
> then when you get to the end of the main loop, Repeat: Until Abs(Timer-V) 
> >= 2 will keep the main loop running at 2 or move vbls.  It should make 
> it consistently one speed (slow!)   I prefer method 1!
> 
> Ryan, PLAYFIELD!
>

You should also consider whether you want your game to run faster on faster
machines. With method 1, the code will run faster on faster machines
(but still at a consistent speed). Method 2 slows your program so there
is a constant delay between updates, no matter how fast the machine
(apart from the fact that Timer units are 1/60th sec on an NTSC machine
and 1/50th sec on PAL machines).

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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Consistent speed
To: Dominic Ramsey <dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk>
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On Sun, 21 Aug 1994, Dominic Ramsey wrote:

> > On possiblity is to not turn him off, but to place him offscreen.  During 
> > the monster control routines, if the monster is off screen, it just skips 
> > past the control code.  The slowest part is drawing the monster on 
> > screen, not the control code, generally, so by keeping him on screen the 
> > speed should stay more constant.  
> > 
> > Another possibility is to set V=Timer at the beginning of the main loop, 
> > then when you get to the end of the main loop, Repeat: Until Abs(Timer-V) 
> > >= 2 will keep the main loop running at 2 or move vbls.  It should make 
> > it consistently one speed (slow!)   I prefer method 1!
> > 
> > Ryan, PLAYFIELD!
> >
> 
> You should also consider whether you want your game to run faster on faster
> machines. With method 1, the code will run faster on faster machines
> (but still at a consistent speed). Method 2 slows your program so there
> is a constant delay between updates, no matter how fast the machine
> (apart from the fact that Timer units are 1/60th sec on an NTSC machine
> and 1/50th sec on PAL machines).

Also, Roach Motel was originally written using plain vanilla AMOS 
commands.  When enemies died or were not on screen, they were OFF.  It 
wasn't that noticable on an A500.  When I went through and converted all 
the map lookup Functions to Scene Check commands, and map pokes to Scene 
Changes, the program ran so fast that the fact that there were no bobs on 
screen really made the program *fly*.  It became unplayable, actually, it 
ran so fast.  It would run like crazy until the enemies came out, then 
run considerably slower.  It was both a tribute to TURBO PLUS and a vivid 
demonstration of the complete lack of speed in the AMOS Bob commands.  

This is the reason there is no Roach Motel TURBO floating around - it 
requires rewriting to use method 1 - keeping the bobs somewhere offscreen 
instead of just turning them off.  I think I will do Roach Motel TURBO, 
but when the bob commands are sped up to the same degree the icons are.  
Then I don't think I'll have to use method 2 - the bobs will be about up 
to the speed they should be.  



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From: Paul Reece <preece@slick.clare.tased.edu.au>
Subject: Re: parallel port
To: Darryl Lewis <Darryl_Lewis@comlink.mpx.com.au>
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On Fri, 19 Aug 1994, Darryl Lewis wrote:

> > I'm currently making an fx program w/ Amos Pro.
> > I'd like to include into it a sound sensing system...
> > I have a stereo digitizer in my parallel port (Golem if U
> > want to know). How can I make it work together w/ my AMOS
> > PROgram?
> > Do I have to activate the digitizer somehow?
> > And when done what I will be getting back?
> > My guess is that all these sounddigitizers have the
> > same 'language' or how is it?
> 
>  DR> Screen Open 0,352,290,2,Lowres
>  DR> Screen Display 0,,30,,
>  DR> Hide On 
>  DR> Cls 0
>  DR> Circle 176,145,100 : Paint 176,145
>  DR> A=$BFE101 : AA=$BFE103
>  DR> THRESH=2
>  DR> ' 
>  DR> Do 
>  DR>    S=Abs(Peek(A)-128)
>  DR>    SS=Abs(Peek(AA)-128)
>  DR>    If SS>THRESH
>  DR>       Colour 0,Rnd(4095) : Wait Vbl 
>  DR>       Fade 1 : Wait 5
>  DR>    End If 
>  DR>    If S>THRESH
>  DR>       Colour 1,Rnd(4095) : Wait Vbl 
>  DR>       Fade 1 : Wait 5
>  DR>    End If 
>  DR> Loop 
>  DR> ----Cut Here----
> 
>  DR> I don't know if it will work with your sampler, but it works with
>  DR> mine.
>  DR> Try adjusting the THRESH value if it doesn't work properly.
> 
> I have the Perfect Sound sampler and this does not work!
> I wrote a loop to just peek $BFE101 and display it on the screen. It didn't
> change. Bummer.

A person that bought my extension wrote to me with the same problem..  I 
think that there is an address you have to toggle first to wake the 
sampler up.  I'll have a look at the letter at home tonight and post the 
results (if any)

 - Paul

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From: "> Mark Fennell <" <mark_jf@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
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I have just written my first demo in Amos,  called Narcosis Its 
been uploaded to

Aminet (wuarchive site) but how long it takes is another matter.

Needs a A1200 of 1.5MB on 1.3 (run it from workbench) Its powerpacked.

If it does work for you, any feedback appreciated. 

Nefron


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From: Mr J Andrews <ja29600@ggr.co.uk>
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Subject: Zappo CD-ROM
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Hello,

I have made this mail global incase any1 else is interested in buying a
Zappo CDROM for the 1200 from Indi Computing, UK.

I faxed INDI several days ago for Mike C, and I have only just recieved a
reply, it came last Friday though.

Indi said:

"I have recieved a request from a Mr. M Cox to fax a price of the CD-ROM
for the A1200 over to you, the price would be 165.95 UK pounds after the
VAT has been deducted [over here we have to pay VAT!! Jam.] , then the
delivery via Datapost International would cost 30 pounds extra"

In other words any1 in the US has to pay the same as what we pay in the UK,
you lose the tax but have to pay for shipping. I hope there are no other
additional costs as they didn't mention what taxes u have to pay in the US.

Any questions?

J-/\-M `94.

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> Some kind stuffing directs a impossible wad through
> my disagreeable foam.       ^
                              |
                             'n'

That should not be too hard to implement :-).

Branko Collin
bcollin@mpi.nl



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Send all replies to: saylor@tcet.unt.edu (Matthew Sayler)




>Subject: AMOS Floating Point #'s

>Does anyone here know how AMOS stores its single precision numbers? The manual
>gives the impession that it is not a standard format. If you don't know
>but are bored enough to try to figure it out, here are some numbers to look
>at:
>
>.25   $8001003F
>.50    80010040
>1      80010041
>2      80010042
>4      80010043   You get the idea here...
>
>3      C0010042
>5      A0010043
>6      C0010043
>7      E0010043
>9      90010044
>
>Thanks for any help
>John Williams (saylor@tcet.unt.edu)

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From: Mr J Andrews <ja29600@ggr.co.uk>
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Subject: Thanx Andy
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To Andy,

Thanx for the Intuit demo, I've just gotta work out how to save this email
using Keaterm, its not very simple - there is no email save in the menu.

J-/\-M `94.

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From: "stud.ass." <bcollin@mpi.nl>
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> On Thu, 18 Aug 1994, Andy Church wrote:
> 
> > >(like weapons and armor and monsters etc) user alterable so
> > >that they are in a easy to read format, when I've used the
> > >random access files I have been inable to alter the contents
> > >and still have the file work. am I missing something that
> > >should be plain or is it not possible in AMOS
> > 
> >   If you want a file to be easily understood and modified by
> > humans, the best way to go is a text file.  I'm not quite sure
> > what you're trying to do, but in my own RPG, I need lists of
> > data for lots of things - treasures, doors, items, etc.  What I
> > do is to create a special file which contains those things in
> > an easy-to-read format, then use a special program which takes
> > that file and converts it into one that is easy to use for the
> > program (i.e. binary data).
> > 
> >   If this isn't what you wanted, please explain further.
> 
> Ok, yes I wanted a form of text file that user can alter or
> different files can be used for different game world, you
> mentioned exactly what I wanted, BUT I need to be able to access
> this file randomly, so how would I go about do this so that the
> files that the computer uses can be alter easily by the user,
> I've tried forcefeeding the program text from a file it did not
> create (a random access file) and it didnt go over very well.
> Once I get this block out of my way I'll be ready to link the
> utils to menus and add all the other goodies...
>

Random access files are by default not user modifyable, because 
there will always be users that do not stick to the instructions. 
However, AMOS does have the possibility to randomly access 
sequential files. I do not know the name of the instruction that 
does this, so lets say it's called grab(N) where N can be anything 
between 1 and the length of the file. Grab(n) will set the point 
where Amos will start to read the file to N.

Now suppose your file                  ...and this is what
looked originally like:            the user has done to it:

   123456789                           123456789
00 #1name:Go                        00 #1name:Th
10 rf #2stre                        10 e Great O
20 ngth:-1 #                        20 ne #2stre

As you can see, it is quite readable (I hope :-)), but random 
access would not work, because your RPG would expect the strength 
paramater to start at position 26 and the user has tampered with 
the file.
That's where the grab() command (it really is not called that, look 
up the real command in your manual) comes in. You grab(14) -in the 
original file this is where '#2strength' is- and then read in say, 
the next 10 characters. In the string you get this way you look for 
the #2 sign. If you find it you will know where to find the 
strength parameter. If you find #3 you will have to jump back to 
grab(4) and if you do not find anything or just #1, you will have 
to jump forward.

Although this method is the only one I know of that allows for 
randomly accessing user-definable files, it is far from foolproof.

Personally, I would go for the extra work and design an editor for 
the programme.

The ugly option, but the easiest to implement and maybe also the 
friendliest to the user would be to store all your information in 
many little files instead of one big one.

Branko Collin
bcollin@mpi.nl 






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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Zappo CD-ROM
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On 22 Aug 1994, Mr J Andrews wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have made this mail global incase any1 else is interested in buying a
> Zappo CDROM for the 1200 from Indi Computing, UK.

<snip>

> 



acutally, i'd like to know if A1200's are available and what the cost is 
over there.  I can't find them here anywhere.


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Date: 22 Aug 94 15:11:00 BST
Subject: A1200's
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Ryan,

Yeah, I suppose I could find out the price of A1200's as well. BTW I'm
gonna get soon :

Power HD DiskyD
Zappo CD-ROM
Loadsa S/W
68882 FPU @ 50mhz

So there!

J-/\-M `94.

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From: Darryl_Lewis@comlink.mpx.com.au (Darryl Lewis)
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hi,
I was hoping that someone might be able to help me by sending some file to
me uuencoded. The reason I can't get them myself is that our system only
has email.:-(
the files I after are:
-easylife_____________so I can run some programs that use that extension.
-matrixblaster________tron game
-stars________________an extension I think? correct  ?

Thanx in advance
Darryl

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From: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu (Andy Church)
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To: saylor@tcet.unt.edu, amos-list@access.digex.net
Subject: Re: AMOS Floating Point #'s
Status: RO

>>Does anyone here know how AMOS stores its single precision numbers? The manual
>>gives the impession that it is not a standard format. If you don't know
>>but are bored enough to try to figure it out, here are some numbers to look
>>at:
>>
>>.25   $8001003F
>>.50    80010040
>>1      80010041
>>2      80010042
>>4      80010043   You get the idea here...
>>
>>3      C0010042
>>5      A0010043
>>6      C0010043
>>7      E0010043
>>9      90010044
            ^
  If this "1" is really there (it wasn't when I tried), that could explain
AMOS's floating point problems - the hexadecimal values you list are not
equal to the corresponding decimal values!

  Anyway, this is standard Motorola Fast Floating Point (FFP) format:

	3      2       1
Bit #	1......4.......6.......8.......0
        --------mantissa--------SEEEEEEE

  The mantissa is a binary value with an assumed binary point after the first
digit.  It can theoretically take on any value from 0 to just under 2, but is
normally not less than 1 (except in the special case of 0).

  S is the sign bit, 0 for positive or 1 for negative.

  EEEEEEE is the 7-bit exponent, biased by 65 ($41).  In other words, to find
the actual exponent, subtract 65 from the biased exponent.

  (For those of you who aren't familiar with scientific notation, it takes
the form (mantissa) * (base)^(exponent), where the mantissa is a value at
least 1 but less than the base [except in the case of 0].)

  For the curious, here are the IEEE single- and double-precision formats:
(AMOS Pro uses IEEE double precision when you execute Set Double Precision)

	3      2       1
Single:	1......4.......6.......8.......0
        SEEEEEEEE--------mantissa-------

S = sign bit
EEEEEEEE = 8-bit exponent, bias 127

	6      5       4       4       3       2       1
Double:	3......6.......8.......0.......2.......4.......6.......8.......0
        SEEEEEEEEEEE----------------------mantissa----------------------

S = sign bit
EEEEEEEEEEE = 11-bit exponent, bias 1023

  In both of these formats, the mantissa has an assumed 1 and a binary
point at the left, so a mantissa value of "000..." is actually "1.000...".

  --Andy Church

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Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 09:45:05 +1000 (EST)
From: Paul Reece <preece@slick.clare.tased.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Zappo CD-ROM
To: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Cc: Amos List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
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On Mon, 22 Aug 1994, Ryan Scott wrote:

> 
> 
> On 22 Aug 1994, Mr J Andrews wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I have made this mail global incase any1 else is interested in buying a
> > Zappo CDROM for the 1200 from Indi Computing, UK.
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> acutally, i'd like to know if A1200's are available and what the cost is 
> over there.  I can't find them here anywhere.

Can't find them here either...  I got one of the last one's in the shops
here...

(especially seeing that C= Australia has been bust for ages now)

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To whom it may concern :)

I am doing some GFX for R.Scott to go on the Amos WWW site.

My question is;

Is there a standard palette layout for WWW pages? (Bit like in WB)
Otherwise, how do different .gif's look OK when loaded.

Maybe I'm just being dumb, but need to know ASAP.

To all who answer; Thanks, I'll buy you a beer if I ever in your area ;^)

TTFN,

G.

-- 
Gareth Edwards, Leeds, England, Europe. E-mail: config@ultim.demon.co.uk

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>I'd like to sell some of PLAYFIELD!' stuff on it,
>so we should get some visits.
>
>Ryan, PLAYFIELD!

Hello again Ryan, and one more time (sorry!) could you send me the cost of
Turbo Extension and the subscription to Playfield! again? I think this time
I will got money (hope!). And please the payment metod. I promise save
the reply and dont't ask you again! :-)

If you are searching for some graphics for your mosaic, please  tell me, I 
think
my brother could do it.

 __________________________
Hugo Ramses Moreno Ramos
     Universidad de Guadalajara
     Direccion de Sistemas de Informacion
     Diseno y Multimedia

ramses@redudg.udg.mx

"You don't know what are you loosing when you haven't an Amiga"

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Seems everyone has overlooked AMAL.  I have used it in the past and it
has been very consistent across bob counts.

Matt Pierce

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Date: Tue, 23 Aug 94 09:18:03 EST
From: Schreckling Dominique <dschreckling@master.einev.ch>
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I a review two months ago was written that the Archos Overdrive CD
(exactly the same as the Zappo drive) doesn't work with a GVP TurboII
A1230 board.

In other reviews they didn't point out any problem like that one.
The developpers at Archos said the the first review never tested it and that
there never was a problem with a GVP Board.

So is anyone out there using a such drive with a GVP A1230 TurboII board ???

The drive is available at 1990 french francs, you can deduct 17 percent of VAT
if you don't live in the EC. However I don't know how much they want for PP.


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	What!?  "a impossible wad..."?  But I DID fix that!  I have both
"a" and "an" in that program.  Perhaps I only checked the noun and not the
adjective or something.

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From: Mr J Andrews <ja29600@ggr.co.uk>
Date: 23 Aug 94 10:53:00 BST
Subject: Intuition Extension Query
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
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Hello,

I've tried your intuition extension and I have a query about it.

When I use the Iscreen open command my machines guru's a lot. I'm using
Amos Classic on my a1200 (you should have seen my stats on some of my mails
if not 030-40/4mb fast/80m hd) and it guru's all programs that you have
made on that LHA file.
This is how I tried to open an intuit screen:

Screen Close 0
Iscreen Open 1,320,256,32,256+AGA,"Test Screen"
Amos To Back    ----------- [Note I have put ATB b4 and after Iscreen Open]
Do
   Multi Wait
Loop

Am I correct in putting AGA after the 256 colours?
Please help!!!!

Also:
In the help file here's an idea : why do you put some examples with certain
commands, ie. the more complex ones.

J-/\-M `94.

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Subject: AMOS Tone Dialler
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Yeah,

Just remembered, some1 asked about US and UK tones being compatible.

YES! They are, cos I tried an AT&T direct line with the Amos dialler and it
worked fine. Apart from I don't have any CC's to use. hehehe.

To all how want it mail me at JA29600@ggr.co.uk, putting TONE REQUEST in
as the subject heading, don't worry about a message but I'll read it if ya
put 1, and I'll send ya a UUENCODED, LHA'd file. Beginning tommorow, UK
times (I haven't got it on a PC disk at the mo).

J-/\-M `94.

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From: M D Cox <mcox>
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Subject: Moving AMOS Pro
To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 08:50:12 -0400 (ADT)
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I want to move my AMOS Pro directory to another drive.  I copied it over
easily enough, but it still sees things as being on my first drive and makes
all the assigns to it.  Where is this info located?  I only saw one reference
to my original location, and I changed it but no luck.  :(

Or, would it be easier to make the assigns in my user-startup?  Will AMOS
overwrite them?

Mike
-- 
Michael Cox                             Work:   mcox@access.digex.net
A1200/465 w/1230XA 50/50/4 = SPEED!     Play:   aj639@Cleveland.FreeNet.EDU
             For info on the AMOS Mailing List, contact me!
             For AMOS Pro news, finger mcox@access.digex.net

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From: Greg Cox <gcox@crash.cts.com>
Subject: Crunching your source code
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Well I am just about finnished with my Accessory programs that will allow 
you to crunch/decrunch your source code to/from disk using the powerpacker.
library (V35). I've been running a little behind on getting this thing 
done, so to all those who have inquired about it awhile back ... I will be
uploading it to the Aminet "dev/amos" here within a week, so look for it 
there soon under the name "ppAccessory10.lha".

Sorry for the delay, but I've been very busy as of late and haven't had 
the time to work on it. As I had to re-write the code due to some changes
and improvements.

Greg



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> 
> I want to move my AMOS Pro directory to another drive.  I copied it over
> easily enough, but it still sees things as being on my first drive and makes
> all the assigns to it.  Where is this info located?  I only saw one reference
> to my original location, and I changed it but no luck.  :(
> 
> Or, would it be easier to make the assigns in my user-startup?  Will AMOS
> overwrite them?

Just re-install it.  Much easier...


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>----------
>From: amos-request
>To: amos-list
>Subject: Re: Amiga Format
>Date: Saturday, August 20, 1994 5:29PM
>
>> Could anyone say me if in the UK AmigaFormat is selling?
>> here in Mexico the last one was march.
>
>The August issue is on sale now & the September issue comes out
>on Thursday.
>
>Did you want the subscription details?

Yes. Thanks.

__________________________
Hugo Ramses Moreno Ramos
     Universidad de Guadalajara
     Direccion de Sistemas de Informacion
     Diseno y Multimedia

ramses@redudg.udg.mx


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>Maybe s:AmosPro_Config or something like that?
I checked those files, but no luck.  Or, at least I did not see anything
obvious.

Mike
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Ok, there was a bit of a problem with the web site - you should all be 
able to access it now:

http://www.gate.net/~rscott/

that'll do it.

Its very new - needs lots of work and my time is limited but please check 
it out and give some feedback...

Ryan Scott
PLAYFIELD!



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On Tue, 23 Aug 1994, M D Cox wrote:

> I want to move my AMOS Pro directory to another drive.  I copied it over
> easily enough, but it still sees things as being on my first drive and makes
> all the assigns to it.  Where is this info located?  I only saw one reference
> to my original location, and I changed it but no luck.  :(

Just run the "Locate_APsystem"-program in your APsystem drawer.

AmosPro makes the assigns when you run it, but it needs to know where
the APsystem folder is.

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> I'm currently making an fx program w/ Amos Pro.
> I'd like to include into it a sound sensing system...
> I have a stereo digitizer in my parallel port (Golem if U
> want to know). How can I make it work together w/ my AMOS
> PROgram?
> Do I have to activate the digitizer somehow?
> And when done what I will be getting back?
> My guess is that all these sounddigitizers have the
> same 'language' or how is it?

 DR> Screen Open 0,352,290,2,Lowres
 DR> Screen Display 0,,30,,
 DR> Hide On 
 DR> Cls 0
 DR> Circle 176,145,100 : Paint 176,145
 DR> A=$BFE101 : AA=$BFE103
 DR> THRESH=2
 DR> ' 
 DR> Do 
 DR>    S=Abs(Peek(A)-128)
 DR>    SS=Abs(Peek(AA)-128)
 DR>    If SS>THRESH
 DR>       Colour 0,Rnd(4095) : Wait Vbl 
 DR>       Fade 1 : Wait 5
 DR>    End If 
 DR>    If S>THRESH
 DR>       Colour 1,Rnd(4095) : Wait Vbl 
 DR>       Fade 1 : Wait 5
 DR>    End If 
 DR> Loop 
 DR> ----Cut Here----

 DR> I don't know if it will work with your sampler, but it works with
 DR> mine.
 DR> Try adjusting the THRESH value if it doesn't work properly.

 I have the Perfect Sound sampler and this does not work!
 I wrote a loop to just peek $BFE101 and display it on the screen. It
 didn't change. Bummer.
 I know the sampler works.
 Any one got any ideas?
 Please.....  ;-{
 Darryl



-- Via DLG Pro v1.0


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Mike,

> I want to move my AMOS Pro directory to another drive.  I copied it over
> easily enough, but it still sees things as being on my first drive and makes
> all the assigns to it.  Where is this info located? I only saw one reference
> to my original location, and I changed it but no luck.  :(

You don't say where the line you have changed is.

I have moved APro before by loading the "S:AMOSPro_Interpreter_Config" file
into my text editor. If you scroll past all the ASCII garbage you should
come across a line such as "Apps:Programming/AMOS_Pro/APSystem/" in the
text.(It's easy enough to find, it's the first line greater than about 4 
characters long.)
If you change this all the other assigns will be referenced from this.
Then save out and all *should* work.

** Make sure you backup the file first :-I
 
> Or, would it be easier to make the assigns in my user-startup?  Will AMOS
> overwrite them?
I believe so. AMOS alway looks in the S:AMOSPro_Interpreter_Config file for
the system assigns and then calls the assign command in the C: directory.

HTH(Hope This Helps)

G.
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Subject: Moved AMOS pro!
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Thanks to the responses!  The answer is:

Run Locate_APSYSTEM in the APSYSTEM: directory.  Make sure you run it from
CLI and are in the APSYSTEM: directory where you want it to be!

Mike
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Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 17:01:23 -0600 (MDT)
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Hi,
> 
> Seems everyone has overlooked AMAL.  I have used it in the past and it
> has been very consistent across bob counts.
> 
> Matt Pierce
> 

But how can you do complicated logic in AMAL? Continuously going
between AMOS & AMAL means taking performance hits.

				Sami

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Thanx very much for all the advice I've got for this sampler
thing. Dominic's PROgram works just fine, although I've made
a dozen new versions of it. My graphic oscilloscope works very
nicely, all of them!

Next Q:
Anybody ever made a prog that makes spirals?
Please mail it to the List!

- Toni.

--
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                    Amiga 4000/030

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Q: How to include EasyLife and others to my Amos Pro?

- Toni.

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From: "Richard Stitson (Genetics)" <rnms@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk>
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On Tue, 23 Aug 1994, M D Cox wrote:

> I want to move my AMOS Pro directory to another drive.  I copied it over
> easily enough, but it still sees things as being on my first drive and makes
> all the assigns to it.  Where is this info located?  I only saw one reference
> to my original location, and I changed it but no luck.  :(
> 
> Or, would it be easier to make the assigns in my user-startup?  Will AMOS
> overwrite them?
> 
> Mike
> -- 
> Michael Cox                             Work:   mcox@access.digex.net
> A1200/465 w/1230XA 50/50/4 = SPEED!     Play:   aj639@Cleveland.FreeNet.EDU
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> 
All the relevent assigns should have been in the user-startup anyway -- 
thats were all mine are. However, I have never tried changing drives.
Richard



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From: Greg Cox <gcox@crash.cts.com>
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I have just uploaded the BETA release of my powerpacker accessory to
wuarchive.wustl.edu and should be available hopefully soon. Look in the 
dev/amos drawer, the filename is: ppAccessory10.lha
                                  ppAccessory10.readme

Greg



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From: Dominic Ramsey <dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk>
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Ben Marty <marty@cs.hope.edu> wrote:

> 	What!?  "a impossible wad..."?  But I DID fix that!  I have both
> "a" and "an" in that program.  Perhaps I only checked the noun and not the
> adjective or something.

I like your method of storing different forms of the same word, I
might use that.

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>then change number 1 to the DIR of your APsystem directory
I did this and it did not work.  The LOCATE_APSYSTEM program did the trick,
though.

Mike
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Michael Cox                             Work:   mcox@access.digex.net
A1200/465 w/1230XA 50/50/4 = SPEED!     Play:   aj639@Cleveland.FreeNet.EDU
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>Q: How to include EasyLife and others to my Amos Pro?
Do the Set Interpreter menu command and the click on the Set Extensions
button.  Type in the name (usually AMOSPro_something.Lib) and then save
it.  make sure all extensions are in the AMOSPro/APSystem directory.

Mike
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 .---- Insult-O-matic ------------------------------------------------.
 |   Paul Hickman says that Microsoft are selling off curly           |
 |   banjos at half price!                                            |
 `---------------------------------------- dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk ----'

 .---- Insult-O-matic ------------------------------------------------.
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Am I just paranoid, or does the "Random" bit of Insult-O-Matic not quite
work properly???



P.s. I Have almost completed the coding of the MUI instructions into 
Easylife v1.5 - Out soon. Any bugs in 1.4b I should know about?


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>To whom it may concern :)
>
>I am doing some GFX for R.Scott to go on the Amos WWW site.
>
>My question is;
>
>Is there a standard palette layout for WWW pages? (Bit like in WB)
>Otherwise, how do different .gif's look OK when loaded.
>
>Maybe I'm just being dumb, but need to know ASAP.
>
>To all who answer; Thanks, I'll buy you a beer if I ever in your area ;^)
>

The colours are "remapped" onto the screen palette that the user is running
for the MUI browser. It may differ from machine to machine - for instance the
sparc station I am sitting at has 256 colours available, and when a program
wants a colour it asks the system to allocate it. If none are free, it returns
the number of the closest colour to the requested one. Workbench 3.0 does the
same thing with Amiga Mosaic. I don't know what PC's or macintoshes do exactly,
but it's probably similar.

Anyway, the upshot is you as the artist don't need to worry. However, if you are
designing several images to be displayed simultanously, try to share colours
between them so the web browser doesn't need to allocate many pens. You don't
need to keep them in the same positions in the palette - just use the same
positions. The other thing you should be aware of is that some browsers treat
pure white as trasparent. Use an RGB of $FEFEFE if you actually want white
(Or put all 3 Dpaint IV sliders on 254, not 255).

You should also be aware that most web browsers display their pictures on a
1024x1024 (Or something near) pixel resolution screen, so make the graphics
fairly big. Amiga mosaic will run on whatever resolution the workbench /
public screen it is on has.


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Hello once again,

I don't suppose anyone on here knows a way of compressing an Amos command
file (an executeable) into a format which cannot be decompressed easily
thus hiding people from the fact that it was originally written in Amos???
Preferabley Amos Classic compatible.

J-/\-M `94.

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Hi,

  I want to be able to include 256 colour pictures with my soon to be
released Disk magazine, I have tried the intuition library written by Andy
C and I was impressed by it - but it crashes on my machine (probably me not
reading something) and I need an extension which can open a non-intuition
256 colour screen anyway.

Is this possible?

Come to think of it, would anyone like to have a look at the mag so far
(not source) as I have a uuencoded/lha'd file on my HDD?

J-/\-M `94.

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Dominic Ramsey wrote:

> My programming partner and I are writing a horse racing
> prediction system in AMOS. He knows a journalist on the UK
> magazine `Personal Computer World', and this journalist has
> written a full page article about our program in the current
> (September 94) issue of the mag.
> 
> Now, this journalist has received a call from someone on the top
> British `society' magazine, `The New Statesman', who is
> interested in our program!
> 
> I don't know if they're going to do an article on it, but if they
> do I think I'll have to start getting ready for my TV
> interviews... :)
> 

Yes, I have read it (partly) at the railway station yesterday. The 
man was absolutely enthusiastic about your programme and qouted 
'his source' saying that by frequently updating the programme's 
database and by sufficiently investing money in your gambling you 
could win 12.5% in the long term (the best system I know, for 
roulette BTW, pays 0.05%).
He only mentioned the Amiga once though, stating the programme was 
written in 'Amiga basic, would you believe'. I do not know whether 
he was playing down basic, Amiga basic, the Amiga or any 
combination of the three :-(. However, he also said that if there 
would be a beta version of the software and by that time he would 
not have an early retirement because of all his winnings, he will 
write a follow-up. There is a chance for you to educate the man, 
Dominic.

Good luck with your programme.

Branko Collin
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Ryan Scott wrote:
> 
> Ok, there was a bit of a problem with the web site - you should
> all be able to access it now:
> 
> http://www.gate.net/~rscott/
> 
> that'll do it.
> 
> Its very new - needs lots of work and my time is limited
> but please check it out and give some feedback...
> 

Well, here is some feedback.

The site itself was still a bit empty, so I will not comment on 
that (yet). What I really would like to see on it though, is an 
online version of the AmigaGuide Amos manual. I know it's a lot of 
work, but it would surely be useful to the list people, because not 
all of us type this from home, close to our own manuals.

Branko Collin
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>  .---- Insult-O-matic 
------------------------------------------------.
>  |   Paul Hickman says that Microsoft are selling off curly      
     |
>  |   banjos at half price!                                       
     |
>  `---------------------------------------- dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk 
----'
> 
>  .---- Insult-O-matic 
------------------------------------------------.
>  |   I heard that Paul Hickman bought a sex crazed floppy disk   
     |
>  |   from Europress Software last week.                          
     |
>  `------------------------------------------------ Dominic Ramsey 
----'
> 
>  .---- Insult-O-matic 
------------------------------------------------.
>  |   I've heard that you have been depressed ever since you heard 
    |
>  |   that Paul Hickman drinks methanol with the sardine in your  
     |
>  |   bathroom.                                                   
     |
>  `---------------------------------------- dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk 
----'
> 
> 
> Am I just paranoid, or does the "Random" bit of Insult-O-Matic
> not quite work properly???
> 

I do not know, but I was very surprised when a wino grabbed me by 
the arm yesterday at the railwaystation and told me: 'They say that 
Paul Hickman was seen reading bedtime stories to Bill Gates.'
Very strange, that.

> 
> 
> P.s. I Have almost completed the coding of the MUI instructions
> into Easylife v1.5 - Out soon. Any bugs in 1.4b I should know
> about?
> 

Now what is this MUI that everyone keeps talking about? I know that 
it stands for Magical User Interface, but that's all I know.

Branko Collin
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"Moreno Ramos, H. Rames  UDGDCA" <Ramses@redudg.udg.mx> wrote:
> >> Could anyone say me if in the UK AmigaFormat is selling?
> >> here in Mexico the last one was march.
> >
> >The August issue is on sale now & the September issue comes out
> >on Thursday.
> >
> >Did you want the subscription details?
> 
> Yes. Thanks.

AF Sub Rates:   (All prices in UK pounds)

One year sub
  UK          Europe         Rest Of World
 47.40        78.95              110.95


6 month sub
  UK          Europe         Rest Of World
 23.95        39.95              55.95


Prices include subsribers newsletter & disk + at least 2 cover disks a month
+ "Getting The Most Out Of Your Amiga" +2 utils disks (worth 19.95)

Call +44 (0)225 822511   with  your credit card details

 .---- Insult-O-matic Gold -------------------------------------------.
 |   Your uncle licks cream off mutant remote controls.               |
 `----------------------- Dominic Ramsey - dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk ----'

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	I don't think that most people are going to examine a binary file to
find out whether it was programmed in AMOS or not.  They'll just use it and
if you've disguised the fact well enough, they will assume it's a "normal"
program.  But are you not required to state that an AMOS program was written
is AMOS (using the Logo where possible)?

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Paul Hickman <ph@doc.ic.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
>  .---- Insult-O-matic ------------------------------------------------.
>  |   Paul Hickman says that Microsoft are selling off curly           |
>  |   banjos at half price!                                            |
>  `---------------------------------------- dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk ----'
> 
>  .---- Insult-O-matic ------------------------------------------------.
>  |   I heard that Paul Hickman bought a sex crazed floppy disk        |
>  |   from Europress Software last week.                               |
>  `------------------------------------------------ Dominic Ramsey ----'
> 
>  .---- Insult-O-matic ------------------------------------------------.
>  |   I've heard that you have been depressed ever since you heard     |
>  |   that Paul Hickman drinks methanol with the sardine in your       |
>  |   bathroom.                                                        |
>  `---------------------------------------- dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk ----'
> 
> 
> Am I just paranoid, or does the "Random" bit of Insult-O-Matic not quite
> work properly???

You're just paranoid, Paul!!!

 .---- Insult-O-matic Gold -------------------------------------------.
 |   I've heard that you have been depressed ever since you heard     |
 |   that your lover does unspeakable things to Paul Hickman.         |
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"stud.ass." <bcollin@mpi.nl> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I have read it (partly) at the railway station yesterday. The 
> man was absolutely enthusiastic about your programme and qouted 
> 'his source' saying that by frequently updating the programme's 
> database and by sufficiently investing money in your gambling you 
> could win 12.5% in the long term (the best system I know, for 
> roulette BTW, pays 0.05%).
> He only mentioned the Amiga once though, stating the programme was 
> written in 'Amiga basic, would you believe'. I do not know whether 
> he was playing down basic, Amiga basic, the Amiga or any 
> combination of the three :-(. However, he also said that if there 
> would be a beta version of the software and by that time he would 
> not have an early retirement because of all his winnings, he will 
> write a follow-up. There is a chance for you to educate the man, 
> Dominic.

I presume you mean the article in Personal Computer World. The 
New Statesman DID publish an aricle, but it is basically just a
rip-off of the PCW article, which Michael Hewitt who wrote the original
article is not too pleased about. When he wrote the article, he did
not know the difference between Amiga Basic & AMOS Professional, but he
does now, I can assure you!

The "person" who wrote the New Satesman article (Pat Coyne) showed a 
complete lack of knowledge of computers, and the Amiga in particular.....

I quote: "The program is written, improbably, in Amiga Basic, which comes
          free with the games machine of the same name.... Basic is as 
          common as they come and the Amiga variety is normally used to
          program games in which children are encouraged to do unspeakable
          things to ferociously armed aliens. As a dialect, it would rank
          with the most glottle-stopped Estuarine or South LA Gangsta."

The 12.5% you mention is a figure for if you place the suggested bet with
a level stake, say 10 pounds for each bet. The program also gives a
"suggested stake" which is currently giving a profit of about 34%. Last 
Saturday, the program gave 4 tips at 2 meetings. Three of them won at
11-4, 11-8 and 6-1.

Also, the program will NOT be called MicroNag! It is provisionally being
called Microform.

Michael Hewitt says there is not much chance that any corrections will
be printed for either article.

Dom

 .---- Insult-O-matic Gold -------------------------------------------.
 |   Every time I look into your best friend's eyes, it reminds me    |
 |   of corrupt buckets. And Paul Hickman, too, sometimes. Ner.       |
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Paul Hickman <ph@doc.ic.ac.uk> wrote:

> P.s. I Have almost completed the coding of the MUI instructions into 
> Easylife v1.5 - Out soon. Any bugs in 1.4b I should know about?

Well I haven't found any, but I've been quite busy with other stuff
recently. I am seriously considering updating all my interface routines
to use Easy Life zones, though.

 .---- Insult-O-matic Gold -------------------------------------------.
 |   Your grandmother has been fired from Samsung for nicking         |
 |   piggin' currys.                                                  |
 `----------------------- Dominic Ramsey - dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk ----'

--
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On Wed, 24 Aug 1994, toni luode wrote:

> 
> 
> Thanx very much for all the advice I've got for this sampler
> thing. Dominic's PROgram works just fine, although I've made
> a dozen new versions of it. My graphic oscilloscope works very
> nicely, all of them!
> 
> Next Q:
> Anybody ever made a prog that makes spirals?
> Please mail it to the List!

if anyone has the old subliminal program I wrote - upload it to this 
guy!  I'm not at home, sorry, thats where everything is.  I gotta bring 
my amiga to work, or hook it up dedicated or something!

Ryan


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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 20:07:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: WEB SITE MOVED
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the web site now lives here:

http://www.gate.net/user/play

The other site will be my home page whenever i get around to it.  some 
year when the day has more than 24 hours in it, or i can forgo sleep.

ryan


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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
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http://www.gate.net/amos/play/ 


that last url i sent you all will work but so will this new improved url

soon maybe i can take the www.gate.net out and put playfield.com





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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 13:27:32 +1000 (EST)
From: Paul Reece <preece@slick.clare.tased.edu.au>
Subject: Re: WEB SITE
To: "stud.ass." <bcollin@mpi.nl>
Cc: Amos Discussion List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
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On Wed, 24 Aug 1994, stud.ass. wrote:

> Ryan Scott wrote:
> > 
> > Ok, there was a bit of a problem with the web site - you should
> > all be able to access it now:
> > 
> > http://www.gate.net/~rscott/
> > 
> > that'll do it.
> > 
> > Its very new - needs lots of work and my time is limited
> > but please check it out and give some feedback...
> > 
> 
> Well, here is some feedback.
> 
> The site itself was still a bit empty, so I will not comment on 
> that (yet). What I really would like to see on it though, is an 
> online version of the AmigaGuide Amos manual. I know it's a lot of 
> work, but it would surely be useful to the list people, because not 
> all of us type this from home, close to our own manuals.

there is an amigaguide to html converter out there....

 - Paul

> 
> Branko Collin
> bcollin@mpi.nl
> 
> 
> 
> 

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From: "Richard Stitson (Genetics)" <rnms@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Enigma encryption
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Sorry to mail to the list but my direct mail to Hang-Fire was returned.
I would very much like to have a play with your Enigma encrypter.
Thanxs
Richard



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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 07:04:55 +0000
From: David Hollway <dmh11@tower.york.ac.uk>
Subject: Crunching AMOS files
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Someone (I can't remember who, it's too early in the monring for my brain 
to be working!) posted recently to this list, enquiring about possible 
ways of compressing AMOS files so that they can't be de-compressed 
easily, thus disguising the fact that they're written in AMOS. Well, the 
obvious solution that occurs is to Powerpack them, but with the 
encryption option (Powerpacker 3.x onwards?). That way, unless they can 
crack the Powerpacker encryption method (difficult - I've tried it) they 
won't be able to see the telltale "AMOS" occurences within the executable.
  All of this, of course, depends rather on whether Europress would 
approve of you releasing an AMOS program, without identifying it as such :-)

  I don't suppose anybody out there is still using my "Amtuition" 
extension, are they? It's been a while since I wrote to this list (our 
local mail server rather sneakily changed its IP address, confusing all 
incoming mail), and whilst I've gathered that there's a "proper" 
Intuition extension available now, it would be nice to think that my 
fake-Intuition is still being used by someone..

-David Hollway
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From: Mr J Andrews <ja29600@ggr.co.uk>
Date: 25 Aug 94 08:53:00 BST
Subject: That Tone Dialler...
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Hello!

To all who got the dialler - did it work okay??

Responses please?

J-/\-M `94.

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On 24 Aug 1994, Mr J Andrews wrote:

> Hello once again,
> 
> I don't suppose anyone on here knows a way of compressing an Amos command
> file (an executeable) into a format which cannot be decompressed easily
> thus hiding people from the fact that it was originally written in Amos???
> Preferabley Amos Classic compatible.
> 

Amos has it's own compression routines but they're supplied with compiler
(callisc comipler). If you really want to hide true origin of the files,
you can lha them with a password so only the program can decrunch them. I
think it will also protect them from being listed so you sould be safe.

Maciek.



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Hello,

No1 have any suggestions for 256col screen opening then?

J-/\-M `94.

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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Amos File Compression
To: Ben Marty <marty@cs.hope.edu>
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On Wed, 24 Aug 1994, Ben Marty wrote:

> 	I don't think that most people are going to examine a binary file to
> find out whether it was programmed in AMOS or not.  They'll just use it and
> if you've disguised the fact well enough, they will assume it's a "normal"
> program.  But are you not required to state that an AMOS program was written
> is AMOS (using the Logo where possible)?
> 
> 

no, especially since the company doesn't care about it anymore.




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Subject: Re: Amos File Compression
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Yeah, but the whole point about this programme was the fact that no-one was
supposed to know it was made in Amos. The software in question wasn't going
to be sold so it doesn't matter about creditting Europress anyway, even if
they do care.

J-/\-M `94.

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>Hello once again,
>
>I don't suppose anyone on here knows a way of compressing an Amos command
>file (an executeable) into a format which cannot be decompressed easily
>thus hiding people from the fact that it was originally written in Amos???
>Preferabley Amos Classic compatible.
>
>J-/\-M `94.

There are no format that cannot be decompressed easily that are in common use,
short of using a trackloader to store the program on a NON Dos disk. Don't do
that, because it won't be harddisk installable. Someone suggested powerpacker
encryption - I can't see the point of that, as it appears that the software is
to be distributed to the public. Also, if the program multi tasks, anyone who
tries can easily find out it was written in AMOS - the taskname is "AMOS", and
that is what appears in anything that lists the tasks running on your system,
such as the various priority managers / program killers out there.

P.s. There is no way of using AGA graphics on an AMOS screen - yet.... (Unless
someone has produced an extension & not told me, in which case take it as read
that I am mildly irritated (understatement of the milenium) with them. 

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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 16:18:06 +0100
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Well Ryan's told you all at least 10 different URL's, some of which even work,
but many of you will be thinking "That's very nice, but what's a URL?". For those
here is how to gain access to this and the many other world wide web sites.

>From an amiga:

I've never done this, so I'm no expert on the subject, but if your amiga is
connected to the internet, and you are running AmiTCP, get AMosaic from aminet
as /pub/aminet/comm/net/Mosaic1.2DNet.lha. If you connect via AS225R2 then get
/pub/aminet/comm/net/Mosaic1.2AS225R2.lha.


>From an IBM PC (Or DEC Alpha with windows NT):

I've never done this neither, but I don't regret it :-). FTP to
zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu, and login as 'ftp' giving your E-Mail address as
password. Grab the file /PC/Mosaic/readme.now for information on what you
need to connect. Roughly, its Windows 3.1 /NT , 386SX/486 and 4Mb, and a
direct network connection.

>From a macintosh:

Goto the same site as for the PC, but grab the file /Mac/Mosaic/QuickStart.txt
and the apropriate binary for your mac.


>From a UNIX machine (With X-Windows):

As usual, you guys get to compile it your selves. Connect to zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu
as with the PC, then get the file /Web/Mosaic-source/Mosaic-2.4.tar.gz and have
fun!

If your lucky you may be able to just grab one of these from /Web/Mosaic-binaries:

   Mosaic-alpha.gz
   Mosaic-dec.gz
   Mosaic-hp700.gz
   Mosaic-ibm.gz
   Mosaic-indy.gz
   Mosaic-sgi.gz
   Mosaic-solaris.gz
   Mosaic-sun-lresolv.gz
   Mosaic-sun.gz




There are other WEB browsers available (One called lynx I believe, which can run
on text only terminals), but Mosaic is free, and very good at it's job. You can
also look/ask around your system to see if it is already there. 



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	Does anyone know the format of the Turbo Extension Scene files.  
I wan't to write a special purpose scene editor for a game I'm putting 
together.  I'm also looking for Scene Tiles of the medieval nature.  I 
have some of my own and I am willing to swap.

					Thanx,
					Samuel Washburn
					<samw@meteor.wisc.edu>

  //
\X/  He who dies with the most toys, STILL DIES!!  No fear.


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>One year sub
> UK          Europe         Rest Of World
>47.40        78.95              110.95
>
>
>6 month sub
>  UK          Europe         Rest Of World
> 23.95        39.95              55.95
>
>
>Prices include subsribers newsletter & disk + at least 2 cover disks a 
month
>+ "Getting The Most Out Of Your Amiga" +2 utils disks (worth 19.95)
>
>Call +44 (0)225 822511   with  your credit card details

Wow! its very expensive (Rest of World). I think I will subcribe for 6 
month. Thanks. 

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From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Turbo Scene Map Format
To: Sam Washburn <samw@meteor.wisc.edu>
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On Thu, 25 Aug 1994, Sam Washburn wrote:

> 	Does anyone know the format of the Turbo Extension Scene files.  
> I wan't to write a special purpose scene editor for a game I'm putting 
> together.  I'm also looking for Scene Tiles of the medieval nature.  I 
> have some of my own and I am willing to swap.

Its a standard AMOS Bank now - you need to use the TURBO PLUS commands to 
create them, otherwise I'm not responsible ;-)  

Basically, execept for the header information, its
word width
word height
width*height*2 bytes of scene information

But I would really strongly suggest using the commands for it:

Scene Reserve bank,wid,height
Scene Bank bank
Scene Change x,y,value
what=Scene Check (x,y)

They are faster than the equivalent peeks and pokes and easier to read 
and if the scene bank format changes for some reason, these commands will 
still work, as they did when we went from single byte banks to word banks 
to increase the amount of icons available per scene.

Ryan, PLAYFIELD!



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From: "stud.ass." <bcollin@mpi.nl>
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Forwarded Message:
From: Paul Hickman <ph@doc.ic.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 15:51:06 +0100
Subject: Re: WEB SITE Guide.
To: bcollin@mpi.nl


>The site itself was still a bit empty, so I will not comment on 
>that (yet).

Give it time.

>What I really would like to see on it though, is an 
>online version of the AmigaGuide Amos manual. I know it's a lot of 
>work, but it would surely be useful to the list people, because 
not 
>all of us type this from home, close to our own manuals.
>

Two problems here:

 1) The manual is for AMOS1.3, so it is a bit out of date.

 2) The automatic amigaguide to HTML converter convincingly fails 
to even think
    about working on this, and many other amiga guide files. 

I am now helping ryan in organising the web site, so here is my 
suggestion:

  Write an AMOS pro version of the guide!

Rather than dumping all of this on one person, I suggest as many as 
possible of
us collaberate, and take a chapter or 2 each from the AMOSPro 
manual, and write
about the commands in that chapter (Don't copy it though, or we'll 
get into
copyright trouble). This would also allow us to insert extra hints 
and tips
we have discovered from using AMOS.

If you are interested in helping E-Mail me by tuesday, stating 
which chapters
you would prefer to help with. Some will be rather easy, as you can 
take the
1.3 guide entries. On tuesday, if there has been sufficient 
response, I will
send you an example of the format for the command entires.

Please help with this, even if you can't read the web page - The 
WWW is the
fastest growing part of the internet so you may be able to soon, 
and we can
always produce a new amiga guide version also. (And if anyone 
understands it,
and AMOS Pro help format version too :-).

For those who say AMOS Pro already has on-line help, remember 
branko's origial
statement "Many of us aren't typing this near our manuals". Also 
the AMOSPro
help doesn't cover then extensions. 

I hope Andrew Chruch / Paul Reece / Ryan will allow us to, or 
produce themselves
entries for their extensions commands.





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From: "stud.ass." <bcollin@mpi.nl>
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Dominic Ramsey wrote:
[snip]
> I presume you mean the article in Personal Computer World. The 
> New Statesman DID publish an aricle, but it is basically just a
> rip-off of the PCW article, which Michael Hewitt who wrote the
> original article is not too pleased about. 

[snip]

> The "person" who wrote the New Satesman article (Pat Coyne)
> showed a complete lack of knowledge of computers, and the Amiga
> in particular.....
> 
> I quote: "The program is written, improbably, in Amiga Basic,
> which comes free with the games machine of the same name....
> Basic is as common as they come and the Amiga variety is normally
> used to program games in which children are encouraged to do
> unspeakable things to ferociously armed aliens. As a dialect, it
> would rank with the most glottle-stopped Estuarine or South LA
> Gangsta."

That is not stupid, that is malicious. Believe me, I give 
journalism a try myself now and then. You do not print stuff about 
which you do not know. Now, in the PCW article it was just a 
sidestep -and as far as I know your Michael Hewitt could have been 
mocking basic, which is not that odd :-) - but the guy in the New 
Statesman uses a whole paragraph in which he simultaneously tries 
to insult Amigans, Estuarians (whoever that me be), and LA 
'gangsters'.
Now if I found it worth to buy that scrappy little magazine called 
Newt Statesman (never heard of it) I would write them a letter 
myself, stating that the Amiga is a high-end graphics station, used 
in television and film production and that they must have confused 
it with something else.

                         -----------
                         |   THE   |
  -----------------------+         +------------------------
  |  I heard that Paul Hickman writes a travel column for  |
  |        The New Statesman.                              |
  -----------------------+         +------------------------
                         |  MILL   |           
                         -----------
:-)

Branko Collin
bcollin@mpi.nl



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From: samw@meteor.wisc.edu (Sam Washburn)
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> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 25 Aug 1994, Sam Washburn wrote:
> 
> > 	Does anyone know the format of the Turbo Extension Scene files.  
> > I wan't to write a special purpose scene editor for a game I'm putting 
> > together.  I'm also looking for Scene Tiles of the medieval nature.  I 
> > have some of my own and I am willing to swap.
> 
> Its a standard AMOS Bank now - you need to use the TURBO PLUS commands to 
> create them, otherwise I'm not responsible ;-)  
> 
> Basically, execept for the header information, its
> word width
> word height
> width*height*2 bytes of scene information
> 
> But I would really strongly suggest using the commands for it:
> 
> Scene Reserve bank,wid,height
> Scene Bank bank
> Scene Change x,y,value
> what=Scene Check (x,y)
> 
> They are faster than the equivalent peeks and pokes and easier to read 
> and if the scene bank format changes for some reason, these commands will 
> still work, as they did when we went from single byte banks to word banks 
> to increase the amount of icons available per scene.
> 
> Ryan, PLAYFIELD!
> 
> 
	Before I got Turbo, I wrote a map editor and used my own format.  
I want to convert between the two.  Does the data run left to right or 
top to bottom?  after the header.
					Thanx,
					Samuel Washburn
					<samw@meteor.wisc.edu>

  //
\X/  He who dies with the most toys, STILL DIES!!  No fear.



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HI all!   I'v had a little trouble trying to get the turbo extensions to run
I go exactly as the directions say.  But when I go back into AMos It 
locks up or crashes my Amiga.  Any Ideas.  I know i am doing exactly as 
the instalation instructions say.

	Thanks!

	- Eric Kilkenny
	erick@efn.org


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From: Dominic Ramsey <dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: AMOS PD CD-ROM
Status: RO

Ok, I think this may be what some of you have been waiting for....

[From an advert in Amiga Computing, October '94]

-----------------------------------------
"Weird Science CD-ROMS"

AMOS CD - The Official AMOS PD Library on CD

Contains entire library from 1-620, over 33,000 files (1,600 AMOS
Source code files) sprite banks, Ctext banks, music files etc.
Various AMOS and AMOS Pro extensions.

Workbench, Parnet & Sernet included

Price :  19.95 UK Pounds

Weird Science can be contacted at:

1 Rowlandson Close
Leicester
LE4 2SE
England

Tel / Fax  +44 (0)116 234 0682

(No P&P price details given)
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Date: Sat, 27 Aug 1994 11:07:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Turbo Scene Map Format
To: Sam Washburn <samw@meteor.wisc.edu>
Cc: amos list <amos-list@access.digex.net>
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On Fri, 26 Aug 1994, Sam Washburn wrote:

> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 25 Aug 1994, Sam Washburn wrote:
> > 
> > > 	Does anyone know the format of the Turbo Extension Scene files.  
> > > I wan't to write a special purpose scene editor for a game I'm putting 
> > > together.  I'm also looking for Scene Tiles of the medieval nature.  I 
> > > have some of my own and I am willing to swap.
> > 
> > Its a standard AMOS Bank now - you need to use the TURBO PLUS commands to 
> > create them, otherwise I'm not responsible ;-)  
> > 
> > Basically, execept for the header information, its
> > word width
> > word height
> > width*height*2 bytes of scene information
> > 
> > But I would really strongly suggest using the commands for it:
> > 
> > Scene Reserve bank,wid,height
> > Scene Bank bank
> > Scene Change x,y,value
> > what=Scene Check (x,y)
> > 
> > They are faster than the equivalent peeks and pokes and easier to read 
> > and if the scene bank format changes for some reason, these commands will 
> > still work, as they did when we went from single byte banks to word banks 
> > to increase the amount of icons available per scene.
> > 
> > Ryan, PLAYFIELD!
> > 
> > 
> 	Before I got Turbo, I wrote a map editor and used my own format.  
> I want to convert between the two.  Does the data run left to right or 
> top to bottom?  after the header.
> 					Thanx,
> 					Samuel Washburn
> 					<samw@meteor.wisc.edu>

It runs left to right... if you have your bank in the following format:

(no header)

word width
word height
width*height BYTES of scene data...

you can do one of two things to convert it to the TURBO PLUS format 
(wordbanks):

Scene Convert bank to bank (can be same bank)
or Load it in to the TURBO PLUS Scene Editor - it'll do conversion 
automatically.

Then when converted it can be saved as a normal AMOS Bank.

using Scene Convert is VERY fast.

Ryan, PLAYFIELD!



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From: Darryl_Lewis@comlink.mpx.com.au (Darryl Lewis)
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
Subject: zooming
Status: RO

I'm trying to animate a bob and zoom it, but am having trouble. The idea is
that the bob images are cycled and then zoomed to give the impression of it
coming closer. I start off with a large image and zoom it down so that when
it first appears its small then as the target runs toward you it is zoomed
to a lesser amount to make it appear that it's getting closer. 
Heres some of my code. The problem seems to be the double buffer /logical
screen/screen swap causes the image not to be zoomed .Any ideas?
---cut-----
x3=1:x4=1:y3=1:y4=1 
...
Double buffer
repeat
     add image 1
     if image >16 then image =1 :rem 16 images for smoooooth running
effect.
     bob 1,100,70,image
     x3=x3+1
     y3=y3+1
     x4=x4+1
     y4=y4+1
     zoom logical,50,50,200,200 to logical,x3,y3,x4,y4
     screen swap
until x3=50


any one able to help. I'll send the best help a finished copy of the
program!
Darryl

-- Via DLG Pro v1.0


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> 
> I'm trying to animate a bob and zoom it, but am having trouble. The idea is
> that the bob images are cycled and then zoomed to give the impression of it
> coming closer. I start off with a large image and zoom it down so that when
> it first appears its small then as the target runs toward you it is zoomed
> to a lesser amount to make it appear that it's getting closer. 
> Heres some of my code. The problem seems to be the double buffer /logical
> screen/screen swap causes the image not to be zoomed .Any ideas?
> ---cut-----
> any one able to help. I'll send the best help a finished copy of the
> program!
> Darryl

Ok, there were several possible problems, so I've rewritten the whole 
thing for you. :)


----

Double Buffer
Autoback 0

SC=1

Repeat

  Cls
  Add IMAGE,1,1 to 16
  Bob 0,0,IMAGE

  Zoom Logic,0,0,SIZE,SIZE to Logic,160-SC,100-SC,160+SC,100+SC

  Inc SC

  Screen Swap
  Wait Vbl

Until SC=SIZE/2

----

This should (I haven't tested it :) work.  It will zoom the object in the 
centre of the screen, as long as you set SIZE to the largest dimension of 
you original image.  (For example, if your image is 32*48, SIZE must be 
set to 48.)  Also, this assumes your image hotspot is in the top left 
corner.  If not, you'll have to modify the Bob command so that it doesn't 
get cut off.

For completeness, I'd actually recommend putting the Bob on a seperate 
screen and Zooming from there.

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If my sampler program does not work with your sampler, try inserting
the following line before the main loop.

Poke $BfD300,0 : Poke $BFE301,0

This may / may not switch your sampler to input. Please don't blame
me if it blows your house up though.

Dom

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Yes, its me again.

Wasting your phone bill as usual (if ur using a BBS).

I was wondering if any1 out there knows a way of getting onto the internet
cheap? I know the obvious companies which supply FTP services, but is there
a free/v cheap way? I can get a free email service in the UK, but I was
wondering about full FTP/Telnet/Etc...

Jam

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I have done a little reorganisation here, but there is still not much to download. However the directory structure for the software section is now
in place - take a look at let me know what you think.


I have had a grand total of 0 responses on the creating an amigaguide help
file for AMOS Pro with extensions which can be converted to html. And I even
wrote a guide --> html convertor program which actually worked!


I am creating a section on the web site for AMOS Programmers. If you would like
to be included on the list E-Mail me:

 - Your Name

 - Your E-Mail Address

 - If you have a http'able homepage, its URL.

If you don't have an http'able homepage, send me the html source and I will
put it on this site. 

Even if you don't have WWW access, or know anything about html, send me your
name & E-Mail address, so we have a sort of E-Mail directory for the list. I
will not include anyone on the list if they don't tell me to. (Except Ryan,
who is already there whether he likes it or not, but then if he doesn't like
it, it won't be there for long, as he's root of the machine :-)


Also, if anyone has any programming information to be included in that section,
mail it to me. 

Lookout for Easylife V1.06 soon, with AmigaGuide help, and MUI Commands. In case
you are wondering, I've gone from V1.4b to V1.06 as I've discovered the official
commodore version numbering method states that the 2 digits after the dot should
be a revision number, not a decimal fraction of the version number. (Don't ask
about V1.5 / 1.05 - I'm not telling).


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Status: RO



I posted my registration coupon in the end of july to the Firm.
I understood they will be sending me something back. I even
included my Email address.
Are they slow w/ responses or have I misunderstood something...
(propably the latter one =-)
Anyone?

- Toni.
ps. Maybe they are as fast as I am. I bought the ProPacket in
January...

--
MR. TONI LUODE      Email: tluode@freenet.hut.fi
                    Amiga 4000/030

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Status: RO

  OK, everyone... I've got the Intuition Extension nearly bug-free now...
but I need some demos to show off what it can do.  I don't have the time
to write them.  If some of you could write demos for me and e-mail them
to me, I'd greatly appreciate it.  In fact, I'd appreciate it enough that
if you send me several and I pick a couple of them to include with the
extension, you'll get a *FREE* copy of the commercial version!

  What?  You don't have the Intuition Extension, you say?  No problem.
Just e-mail me and I'll send it to you.  And if you send me even one demo
that I like, there may be a little surprise for you... :-)

  BTW, I want *LOTS* of demos. :-)

  Thanks in advance (I hope).

  --Andy Church

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> 
> Yes, its me again.
> 
> Wasting your phone bill as usual (if ur using a BBS).
> 
> I was wondering if any1 out there knows a way of getting onto the internet
> cheap? I know the obvious companies which supply FTP services, but is there
> a free/v cheap way? I can get a free email service in the UK, but I was
> wondering about full FTP/Telnet/Etc...

The only free/cheap solutions in the UK (AFAIK) are go to a college 
that is on JANet or work for a company with a Net feed.

> Jam

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From: Mr J Andrews <ja29600@ggr.co.uk>
Date: 31 Aug 94 09:49:00 BST
Subject: Parallel Ports, etc,..
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
Cc: mark_jf@postoffice.utas.edu.au
Status: RO

Hello,

About this parallel port business, on an old Amiga Format issue 30-37 there
was an article and a piece of software on disk which shows you how to
address the parallel port.

The article itself showed you how to make a computer controlled power
supply with several connections using Amos as the controller software.

I'll try and find the mag in question and UUencode the source which is for
AMOS up to anyone who wants it, like you Mark.

J-/\-M `94.

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From: Muten Roshi <roshi@tiamat.umd.umich.edu>
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	I was wondering if anyone out there had a good sound player 
available?  I am looking for one that can display the sound wave 
graphicly and has a real-time clock.  I am trying to subtitle movies by 
using audio capture, and I really need these two features.  So far, all 
of the software I have tried to use have had one, but not both, of these 
features.  Can anyone help me?  Please? :)

 Muten Roshi (Andy Ehlert)
 E-Mail:  roshi@umich.edu; roshi@tiamat.umd.umich.edu   
 President of The Science, Fact, Fiction, and Fantasy Gaming Club 
 Organizer:  U of M Dearborn Anime Showings        On irc: M_Roshi 


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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 09:07:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Scott <rscott@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Request for Intuition Extension Demos
To: Andy Church <achurch@goober.mbhs.edu>
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On Wed, 31 Aug 1994, Andy Church wrote:

>   OK, everyone... I've got the Intuition Extension nearly bug-free now...
> but I need some demos to show off what it can do.  I don't have the time
> to write them.  If some of you could write demos for me and e-mail them
> to me, I'd greatly appreciate it.  In fact, I'd appreciate it enough that
> if you send me several and I pick a couple of them to include with the
> extension, you'll get a *FREE* copy of the commercial version!

> 
>   What?  You don't have the Intuition Extension, you say?  No problem.
> Just e-mail me and I'll send it to you.  And if you send me even one demo
> that I like, there may be a little surprise for you... :-)

ack!  you are going to send the complete version with docs to anyone who 
reqeuests it?
amigaguide docs that can be copied?



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With all this stuff going on about reading the parallel port, how do
you write to it? I want to be able to control the switching of each
output, ack sel D0-D7 etc. Any help appreciated :)

Mark


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	Thanks for the help in finding the DeliTracker program, put I 
still have a problem.  I can't get it to read my digitized files! :(  The 
program that I am using is called Perfect Sound 3.1, and the digitizer 
has the same name.  I am saving the files in the IFF format, but Deli doesn't
seem to recognize that format.  Are there any suggestions that you can 
give me?  Is there a better recording program that I can use with my 
Perfect Sound digitizer?  If it is any help, I am using an Amiga3000 25 
mhz.  Thank you for all of your help! :)

 Muten Roshi (Andy Ehlert)
 E-Mail:  roshi@umich.edu; roshi@tiamat.umd.umich.edu   
 President of The Science, Fact, Fiction, and Fantasy Gaming Club 
 Organizer:  U of M Dearborn Anime Showings        On irc: M_Roshi 


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	Just to put my two one-hundredths of a dollar's worth in:

An empty string (or null character) is the least one can have.  Hence,
the traditional != (not equal) in basic "<>" is one character too
long.

	`If A$>""' is exactly the same as If `A$<>""'!! 

thank you for your time


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From: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu (Andy Church)
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>>   OK, everyone... I've got the Intuition Extension nearly bug-free now...
>> but I need some demos to show off what it can do.  I don't have the time
>> to write them.  If some of you could write demos for me and e-mail them
>> to me, I'd greatly appreciate it.  In fact, I'd appreciate it enough that
>> if you send me several and I pick a couple of them to include with the
>> extension, you'll get a *FREE* copy of the commercial version!
>
>> 
>>   What?  You don't have the Intuition Extension, you say?  No problem.
>> Just e-mail me and I'll send it to you.  And if you send me even one demo
>> that I like, there may be a little surprise for you... :-)
>
>ack!  you are going to send the complete version with docs to anyone who 
>reqeuests it?

  Heck, no!  I send the demo version.  And before I get questions from lots
of people about "why won't the screens and windows close", that's why - the
demo version doesn't close them.  That's the crippling... and the incentive
to get the full version. :-)

  --Andy Church

