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From: Keith Hill <Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk>
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..Wanna do a 'game over dude' screen...?  It'd be nice to have a pretty font
on a non-descript screen I can feed into the 3D routines, and rotate it
about a bit.

For that matter, some inbetween stage graphics would be nice..  Stage one,
stage two..  something like that perhaps.


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From: Andrew Hawkins <geosync@ozemail.com.au>
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Hello all,

I want my Amos program to detect any keyboard mapping and subsequentely
convert any keypresses to german, italian etc.

How do I do it?

Also I`ve updated Star Fighter(30/5/97).  Check it out if you want.  No
more installer, just download Star Fighter Boot.  Erase the old
Star_FIGHTER_Boot/ drawer in your StarFighter game directory and unpack
sf_boot.lha into that drawer.  Double-click on Star_Fighter now (no
geosync_1996 rubbish) and away you go.  Full documentation of the game
is on my homepage as well as keyboard commands (yay)in GameTips

Cheers,
Andrew Hawkins (Lead Developer) GEOSYNC -O- MEDIA 1997
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~geosync
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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 09:51:33 -0500
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On 01-Jun-97, Keith Hill wrote:
>..Wanna do a 'game over dude' screen...?  It'd be nice to have a pretty font
>on a non-descript screen I can feed into the 3D routines, and rotate it
>about a bit.
>For that matter, some inbetween stage graphics would be nice..  Stage one,
>stage two..  something like that perhaps.

Yes to all of the above. Graphic guys?

Also, Since it has come up:

YES, YOU CAN SEND ME MAIL OVER 100K.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
                                           joehick@golden.net
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From: Laurie Curwood <falcons@ihug.co.nz>
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 11:31:32 +1200
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>>types of games (ie Command&Conquer/worms/lemmings etc) cool ideas are
>>THE ONLY thing which makes them good! You dont see a single damn

>Why C&C then? Why not a static strategy aka Battle Isle?

C&C (WarCraft2 being my preferred game) is much more fun than Battle Isle. It
has to be modem, and a turn-based game like BI has too much waiting around,
even when you can talk to each other!

>>graphics, the best option is a realtime strategy/action game. (that is

>Again, why realtime?

More fun!

>And very important thing also is AI. It's VERY hard to make good AI,
>especially on slow computer like A1200. Look how BI's AI is slow on larger
>levels, and how stupid Dune2 AI is.

But those games are OLD. New programming techniques are popping up all the
time. You hardly notice it, but you get more and more `possibilities' for the
same-speed computers as time goes on. A couple of years ago, it was claimed
`impossible' to produce a doom-clone on an Amiga 1200. `It just doesn't have
the processor power'. This was coming from Team 17, who created Alien Breed 3D
2. It IS difficult to write good, fast AI in AMOS, but there is AMOS support
for assembler (extensions and banks) that allow you to calculate much faster.

>>Hell if you were real ambitious what about a network/internet game!
>And email gaming, if possible.

Yes! Multiplayer games are the only games I ever play now, even if it's just
the option to share scoreboards, it's better than playing all by yourself!
Everything I code has modem/serial support now, even to the extent that two
people can edit the same map over modem at the same time using my Map Editor!

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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
To: AMOS List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 11:31:18 -0500
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On 01-Jun-97, Andrew Hawkins wrote:
>I cant download these .LHA files. My server wont recognise them as .LHA
>and corrupts them

Hold down the shift key while you click on the link. This works for every
browser on every system that I have seen (aweb, ibrowse, netscape, etc.)

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
                                           joehick@golden.net
                             http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html
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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
To: AMOS List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 11:34:36 -0500
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On 01-Jun-97, Michael Drummond wrote:
>Mr. G - for AMOSlyst only, please.  Copyrights apply.

Okay. I hope all those with access are aware that the stuff on the page is not
for distribution?

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
                                           joehick@golden.net
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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
To: AMOS List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 11:38:07 -0500
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On 01-Jun-97, Rob Sibley wrote:
>Can you put the joystick/joypad/mouse controller code you mentioned on the
>game page please.  I want to use it for letting the player enter their name.

Will do. I have already got a procedure that allows you to enter text with the
cd32pad or joystick. I'll put that up too today.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
To: AMOS List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 14:29:43 -0500
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On 02-Jun-97, Keith Hill wrote:
>> Okay. I hope all those with access are aware that the stuff on the page is
not for distribution?
>I am... who's distributing ?

Nobody, just a reminder to all.

Okay, here's an update:

All the stuff submitted so far is on the page. Can I get updates on what
everyone is doing and how the work progresses? I've put up a plotline (quite
humourous) that can tie all the stages together. Grab it and let me know what
you think. If that will be the title, can the graphic guys get to work on
character design and some spiffy title pages. Also, once the plotline is
finalized, can we get some in between stages artwork? And, to the writer of
the text over graphic scroller (sorry, I forget who did it at this point) can
you see how easy it would be to do one tht scrolls regular text, not bobs,
over the graphics? Any problems so far? Any questions? BTW, since we will
probably be doing a FX OR Music option, we can use MEDs or MODs just as well.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
                                           joehick@golden.net
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Hi there... just wanted to check ; is slot 23 free? 'Cause that's the one
the AGA extension is using at the moment.


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To the one known as Mr.,

> All the stuff submitted so far is on the page. Can I get updates on what
> everyone is doing and how the work progresses? I've put up a plotline (quite

Ok.  Some progress...  It's a touch faster now (!)  Well, it's faster from
where I'm sitting, no one else'll notice.  Work progresses on the other
internal routines.

> humourous) that can tie all the stages together. Grab it and let me know what
> you think. If that will be the title, can the graphic guys get to work on

Humourous...  Contrived enough.  Worth a read..  ;-)


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To the one known as Mr.,

> All the stuff submitted so far is on the page. Can I get updates on what
> everyone is doing and how the work progresses? I've put up a plotline (quite

Ok.  Some progress...  It's a touch faster now (!)  Well, it's faster from
where I'm sitting, no one else'll notice.  Work progresses on the other
internal routines.

> humourous) that can tie all the stages together. Grab it and let me know what
> you think. If that will be the title, can the graphic guys get to work on

Humourous...  Contrived enough.  Worth a read..  ;-)


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To the one known as Evert-Jan,

> Hi there... just wanted to check ; is slot 23 free? 'Cause that's the one
> the AGA extension is using at the moment.

Fine by me.

 _   _   _        _     _   _     |  "Look over there, on the other side of your
|_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ |  | | /   |  |  galaxy; thats home" "Gallifrey" "250 million
|_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_  .  |  light years away" "whoah" "Its a good ten
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To the one known as Evert-Jan,

> Hi there... just wanted to check ; is slot 23 free? 'Cause that's the one
> the AGA extension is using at the moment.

Fine by me.

 _   _   _        _     _   _     |  "Look over there, on the other side of your
|_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ |  | | /   |  |  galaxy; thats home" "Gallifrey" "250 million
|_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_  .  |  light years away" "whoah" "Its a good ten
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On 02-Jun-97, Ken Axsom wrote:
>I still have to use this cruddy PC at work to communicate with the rest of
>AMIGAdom.  I'm having the worst time downloading AMOS programs that are 
>.lha filetypes.  I can download them to the hard drive on the PC at work, 
>no problem.  Then I WinZip them and save to a floppy disk.  Then I get home 
>and use CrossDos on the Amiga to read the PC formatted data. The only luck 
>I've had is being able to load in one .iff pic using MultiView (on the 3.1 
>upgrade).   Any rescue attempt would be appreciated. Thanks, Ken.

Download from where? Why winzip them? Just use shift when dling (web) and save
straight to floppy. 

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On 02-Jun-97, Keith Hill wrote:
>Actually, got some gfx and some code off Andrew Hawkins earlier today.
>Some dark ray tracings there.

Good.

>BTW, Path$ is a reserved variable..  I'm not sure which extension uses it,
>but one of them certainly does.

Only we aren't using extensions. Whatever one it is, I don't have it, as PATH$
works fine for me. Put it as _PATH$ then.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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Greetings.

>> ..Wanna do a 'game over dude' screen...?  It'd be nice to have a
>> pretty font on a non-descript screen I can feed into the 3D
>> routines, and rotate it about a bit. For that matter, some
>> inbetween stage graphics would be nice..  Stage one, stage two.. 
>> something like that perhaps.
 
> Yes to all of the above. Graphic guys?

Sure. I could do some "Game Over" screens, for one, I'm a graphics 
guy, second, I think I may have some ideas on hand (half-finished). 
Also, I could go ahead and do the next-level screen for my raycasting 
level when the plotline, title, and main character are established.

Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@hotmail.com, work: parrottsoft@geocities.com

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On 02-Giu-97, Mr. Giark To You wrote: Re: tunes


-CUT-

>finalized, can we get some in between stages artwork? And, to the writer of
>the text over graphic scroller (sorry, I forget who did it at this point) can

hmmmm.... bad boy :-)

>you see how easy it would be to do one tht scrolls regular text, not bobs,
>over the graphics? Any problems so far? Any questions? BTW, since we will

No problem.... it's very easy to do.

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I got a copy of lha for the PC if anyone wants it??
drop me an email on streetj@boat.bt.com


Jason Street
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tel 0171 777 6260
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On 02-Jun-97, Ken Axsom wrote:
>I still have to use this cruddy PC at work to communicate with the rest   
of
>AMIGAdom.  I'm having the worst time downloading AMOS programs that are
>.lha filetypes.  I can download them to the hard drive on the PC at   
work,
>no problem.  Then I WinZip them and save to a floppy disk.  Then I get   
home
>and use CrossDos on the Amiga to read the PC formatted data. The only   
luck
>I've had is being able to load in one .iff pic using MultiView (on the   
3.1
>upgrade).   Any rescue attempt would be appreciated. Thanks, Ken.

Download from where? Why winzip them? Just use shift when dling (web) and   
save
straight to floppy.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark

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On 02-Jun-97, Laurie Curwood wrote:

>>>types of games (ie Command&Conquer/worms/lemmings etc) cool ideas are
>>>THE ONLY thing which makes them good! You dont see a single damn

>>Why C&C then? Why not a static strategy aka Battle Isle?

>C&C (WarCraft2 being my preferred game) is much more fun than Battle Isle. It
>has to be modem, and a turn-based game like BI has too much waiting around,
>even when you can talk to each other!

Aha. Well, I think that disability to control all units at the same time
decrease on reality, but OK, this could be fixed with good AI and maybe some
alternative techniques. WHEN DO WE START?? :))

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On 02-Jun-97 17:30:36 Keith Hill wrote something about Re: AGA Slot.

>> Hi there... just wanted to check ; is slot 23 free? 'Cause that's the one
>> the AGA extension is using at the moment.

>Fine by me.

Right. 23 it is then.

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On 02-Jun-97 17:31:51 Henry Sopko wrote something about Re: AGA Slot.

>        Are you the person making the AGA extension? I'm new to the
>Amos-mailing list and heard someone was making a AGA extension and was in
>the stages of debugging it. If you are the person making it, any idea on

Actually, it was in debugging stages, but what with all the suggestions
we've had from you lot it's now in development stages again. :)

>how much longer it will be before its released? Also, what does the AGA

Not too long now. A demo will be released soon showing off some of the new
effects.

>extension offer in options? What will be the price?

Well, /some/ of the things on offer are AGA screens (/with/ the ability to
use AGA sprites and bobs and fading (in and out)), 24 bit screens, new
sprite/bob engine, more music formats (like s3m, xm etc), own animation
system with realtime 2*2/4*4/2*4/4*2 zooming, hardware scrolling including
24 bit quad scrolling, cd32 joypad support, and much more.

The price will probably be around 12 UKP.

I hope that answers your questions!

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To: Amos ML <amos-list@access.digex.net>
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Oh, and do you guys think it necessary for us to include an AGA sprite
editor? Do you use the Amos sprite editor often?


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From: Evert-Jan Slypen <jazz@lobster.demon.nl>
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On 02-Jun-97 18:34:26 --==MURRAY==-- wrote something about Re: AGA Slot.

>> Hi there... just wanted to check ; is slot 23 free? 'Cause that's the one
>> the AGA extension is using at the moment.

>I think so. I have most of the extensions and am pretty sure 23 is OK.

Okay, so that's alright then.

>Just, please, hurry up and release it before I have to go home from 
>University (and lose my internet connections).....  

>(please,please,please!)

Well, tell me when you'll lose your internet connections, and if it gets
released after that I'll send you it by mail.

Howzat for service :)

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From: Cameron James Bonde <cbonde@lawson.appcomp.utas.edu.au>
To: Nikola Smolenski <smolensk@EUnet.yu>
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Subject: Re: *Idea for List Game*
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WARNING - This ones BIG! (just the way I like em)

- First a responce (end of file)
Well, in C&C you can control ALL your units at once! Simply by selecting
them and assigning that group to a number key. Then using the small map 
you can go anywhere instantly and just select say, the helicopters to attack
something. BUT I dont think it should be anything like C&C or WarcraftII.
We dont want to simply copy a pc game now do we!

- OK now some more ideas
What about something with only say only 10 units. But each one has multiple
actions. It could be something cute (worms etc). Actually cute and colourful
would be cool. But make it faster than C&C because theres less units.
There could be only 4 movable unit building options which each have distinct
purposes/abilities. Each type would naturally have cool speech and graphics.
But not like Z, that game really annoyed me! WAIT.....hang on I'm getting an
idea...Maybe instead of buildings, a couple of unit types could be PLANTABLE.
ie they run/drive/slither about until you double click on them (or press a 
key) then they would PLANT themselves in the ground (cool anim!) and then
have their BIG GUNS available. BUT to unPLANT them takes X amount of seconds
...Strategy with realtime tension! Hence the player could choose to build
all plantable units or all moving/firing units or any combo, resuting in
different tactics every game! eg moving/firing units for storming/team work
 and plantable units for defence/tactical advantage. Imagine reteating
with a planter from firing units, then getting just far enough away,
CURCHUNK, BAM BAM BAM! mowed the suckers! BUT will the intepid plantboy
hold off the advancing forces?! Thats for the player to decide! Retreat/
holdyourground. Maybe selected units could be directly controlable, unlike
C&C, so the player could consentrate on critical areas.
OK I here you say, 10 units = no action, well you could have units knocked 
back by bigger explosions/hits. If they were hit by a planter they would be
knocked back quite away (and maybe stunned) for vital seconds.
That way planters could hold off an entire troop of movers if the attackers
approach wasnt right! (enabling a good player to embarrase a bad one!)
 eg 2 from front & 2 from back because the planters would be very slow at 
turning in their planted state! This would need intense thought on how to
attack multiple planters, otherwise wasted energy & time(for reinforcements)
There could be say 3 types of planters and 3 of movers. (+ maybe another
type) 'not enough varitiy' I hear you scream, BUT!
the game structure needs to be set so it SEEMS simple
(eg Doom, even C&C and WCII) so the first time player thinks 'cool abit of
blasting fun!', but as players skills progress unlimited amounts of tactics
must be avaliable, like chess really.
	OK, what happens when you 'build' units. They take time (C&C) and
when they are ready, the player can klik ANYWHERE on the map for the unit
to appear. Now crap you might think but only one unit would ever be ready
at any one time, so it wouldnt be unfair. Plus this could be some major
tricks/traps setting potential (eg teleporting a unit behind a planter
while attacking from the front). What type of credits/materials bit you
could have I'm not sure. Ideas? (very simple though, shouldnt be distracting)
	NOW the format. Big problem. This game I think would be suited to
smallish maps and a c&c view. But scrolling could be a problem as it would
need to be fast. Biggish sprites would also be good (say 32*32 for big
things in lowres?) So ideas for a different view system might be needed
if its not possible to scroll in ALL directions (C&C (again)).
Maybe even isometric? (hmm to hard!)
(oh I love talking about game ideas. Believe me I couldve gone on alot
 longer! :) )

CAMERON BONDE
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Australia, Tas
cbonde@lawson.appcomp.utas.edu.au

On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Nikola Smolenski wrote:

> On 02-Jun-97, Laurie Curwood wrote:
> 
> >>>types of games (ie Command&Conquer/worms/lemmings etc) cool ideas are
> >>>THE ONLY thing which makes them good! You dont see a single damn
> 
> >>Why C&C then? Why not a static strategy aka Battle Isle?
> 
> >C&C (WarCraft2 being my preferred game) is much more fun than Battle Isle. It
> >has to be modem, and a turn-based game like BI has too much waiting around,
> >even when you can talk to each other!
> 
> Aha. Well, I think that disability to control all units at the same time
> decrease on reality, but OK, this could be fixed with good AI and maybe some
> alternative techniques. WHEN DO WE START?? :)


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About this new list game which is supposed to be something like Command &
Conquer (ie a real-time strategy action game).
I think we should decide wether we want a sci-fi scenario, fantasy scenario or
present-time scenario.
I vote for the fantasy scenario (knights, dragons, magic and so on)
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As a few of you already know, I have written a full Mailing list server
using AMOS. Im currently adding some new ideas to it, and am releasing a
version into PD as shareware within the next few days.

I would like to know if anyone here (especially anyone who has free net
access) would be interested in testing the software. It would involve
annoying things like sending dozens of test mails to yourself, and rigging
your mates into sending mails etc.

At the moment, I run the AmILC mailing list with it, and am soon to be
inheriting a new mailing list to run. It can handle infinite number of
users, and hopefully an Unlimited number of mailing list accounts.

Please Email me if you are interested.

Mush

P.S. A good test maybe, would be to try and see if the AMOSList game can
     handle? What ya think Mr Giark, want to try it? Should only take youa
     couple of minutes to set up the program.

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On 04-Jun-97, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote:
>Oh, and do you guys think it necessary for us to include an AGA sprite
>editor? Do you use the Amos sprite editor often?

I hardly ever use it. I just grab them from ilbm pictures in direct mode.
When is this extension being released?

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A Big Hello to all AmosList subscribers!

I'm a brand new frenchy member... Just in case you know these tiny proggies , I'm the author of POWERTETRIS, POWERMETER, BRIKFIGHTER etc...

I was just wondering a few questions about AMOS(pro) :

* What are the best extensions to speed up gfx operations, to do intuition stuffs? At what price (if still available)?
* Anyone experiencing problems with 68000 amigas, when trying to launch an AmosPro20 compiled program with icon banks in it? (knowing it works fine with a Amos136 compiled version). 
* Anyone experiencing problems with VERY big screens (like 800x800-32colors), and trying to scroll through it with screen offset?
* Anyone experiencing sprite bank hotspot reversing after compilation?

Best regards,
JBB

starsky @ club-internet.fr
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To the one known as Evert-Jan,

> Oh, and do you guys think it necessary for us to include an AGA sprite
> editor? Do you use the Amos sprite editor often?

Gotta grab them from somewhere.  Actually, all you need is a sprite grabber
with the ability to add, insert & delete sprites from iff files.  Thats all
I'd want in a sprite 'editor'.  Crop after grab is ok, but don't spend toooo
much time on it.


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> * Anyone experiencing problems with 68000 amigas, when trying to launch an AmosPro20 compiled program with icon banks in it? (knowing it works fine with a Amos136 compiled version). 
	Yes I've always had this problem.  I use Amos Pro and I thnk the
	2.0 compiler, anybody have a clue why this happens?

	Scott Matott sXe


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On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Keith Hill wrote:

> To the one known as Evert-Jan,
> 
> > Oh, and do you guys think it necessary for us to include an AGA sprite
> > editor? Do you use the Amos sprite editor often?
> 
> Gotta grab them from somewhere.  Actually, all you need is a sprite grabber
> with the ability to add, insert & delete sprites from iff files.  Thats all
> I'd want in a sprite 'editor'.  Crop after grab is ok, but don't spend toooo
> much time on it.

How about sprite grabbing commands in the extension, so that we can write
our own program. 

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On 04-Jun-97, Rune J. Keller wrote:
>About this new list game which is supposed to be something like Command &
>Conquer (ie a real-time strategy action game).
>I think we should decide wether we want a sci-fi scenario, fantasy scenario
or
>present-time scenario.
>I vote for the fantasy scenario (knights, dragons, magic and so on)

I vote for sci-fi. Fantasy being the second, and present-time the last...

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On 04-Jun-97, Cameron James Bonde wrote:

>WARNING - This ones BIG! (just the way I like em)

:))

>- First a responce (end of file)
>Well, in C&C you can control ALL your units at once! Simply by selecting
>them and assigning that group to a number key. Then using the small map 

Or by selecting any unit which belongs to group; I guess it should work
thatway.

>you can go anywhere instantly and just select say, the helicopters to attack
>something. BUT I dont think it should be anything like C&C or WarcraftII.

I though about, say, in Dune2, in the middle of attack on enemy base, you
would get a message that 'base is attacked'. Now you MUST fix the base and
continue attack at the same time. This could be fixed with 1) pause in
critical moments and 2) AI for routine jobs, such as base repairing.

>We dont want to simply copy a pc game now do we!

No we don't :)

>- OK now some more ideas

My idea is SF strategy, but with massive use of engineering units, and
another feature I'm lazy to write about but I think it would be cool :)
Wanna hear?

>What about something with only say only 10 units. But each one has multiple
>actions. It could be something cute (worms etc). Actually cute and colourful
>would be cool. But make it faster than C&C because theres less units.

Sounds nicely, so far.

>There could be only 4 movable unit building options which each have distinct
>purposes/abilities. Each type would naturally have cool speech and graphics.
>But not like Z, that game really annoyed me! WAIT.....hang on I'm getting an
>idea...Maybe instead of buildings, a couple of unit types could be PLANTABLE.
>ie they run/drive/slither about until you double click on them (or press a 
>key) then they would PLANT themselves in the ground (cool anim!) and then
>have their BIG GUNS available. BUT to unPLANT them takes X amount of seconds

Hmm, wait... never heard for anything similar... not sure would it be so
fun...

>...Strategy with realtime tension! Hence the player could choose to build
>all plantable units or all moving/firing units or any combo, resuting in
>different tactics every game! eg moving/firing units for storming/team work
> and plantable units for defence/tactical advantage. Imagine reteating
>with a planter from firing units, then getting just far enough away,
>CURCHUNK, BAM BAM BAM! mowed the suckers! BUT will the intepid plantboy
>hold off the advancing forces?! Thats for the player to decide! Retreat/
>holdyourground. Maybe selected units could be directly controlable, unlike
>C&C, so the player could consentrate on critical areas.
>OK I here you say, 10 units = no action, well you could have units knocked 
>back by bigger explosions/hits. If they were hit by a planter they would be
>knocked back quite away (and maybe stunned) for vital seconds.
>That way planters could hold off an entire troop of movers if the attackers
>approach wasnt right! (enabling a good player to embarrase a bad one!)
> eg 2 from front & 2 from back because the planters would be very slow at 
>turning in their planted state! This would need intense thought on how to
>attack multiple planters, otherwise wasted energy & time(for reinforcements)
>There could be say 3 types of planters and 3 of movers. (+ maybe another
>type) 'not enough varitiy' I hear you scream, BUT!
>the game structure needs to be set so it SEEMS simple

I don't think so. Of course, it must not look complicated, but it should
be complex.

>(eg Doom, even C&C and WCII) so the first time player thinks 'cool abit of
>blasting fun!', but as players skills progress unlimited amounts of tactics
>must be avaliable, like chess really.
>OK, what happens when you 'build' units. They take time (C&C) and
>when they are ready, the player can klik ANYWHERE on the map for the unit
>to appear. Now crap you might think but only one unit would ever be ready
>at any one time, so it wouldnt be unfair. Plus this could be some major
>tricks/traps setting potential (eg teleporting a unit behind a planter
>while attacking from the front). What type of credits/materials bit you
>could have I'm not sure. Ideas? (very simple though, shouldnt be distracting)

That's the last problem.

>NOW the format. Big problem. This game I think would be suited to
>smallish maps and a c&c view. But scrolling could be a problem as it would

Of course, there's small number of units.

>need to be fast. Biggish sprites would also be good (say 32*32 for big
>things in lowres?) So ideas for a different view system might be needed
>if its not possible to scroll in ALL directions (C&C (again)).
>Maybe even isometric? (hmm to hard!)
>(oh I love talking about game ideas. Believe me I couldve gone on alot
> longer! :) )

>On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Nikola Smolenski wrote:

>> >>>types of games (ie Command&Conquer/worms/lemmings etc) cool ideas are
>> >>>THE ONLY thing which makes them good! You dont see a single damn
>> 
>> >>Why C&C then? Why not a static strategy aka Battle Isle?
>> 
>> >C&C (WarCraft2 being my preferred game) is much more fun than Battle Isle.
>It
>> >has to be modem, and a turn-based game like BI has too much waiting
around,
>> >even when you can talk to each other!
>> 
>> Aha. Well, I think that disability to control all units at the same time
>> decrease on reality, but OK, this could be fixed with good AI and maybe
some
>> alternative techniques. WHEN DO WE START?? :)

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	About getting Aminet stuff rom a Windows machine, I've been using\
	Macs, as well as NT and Unix boxes to get Amiga net stuff for
	years, just download the files as Raw Data, straught Binary
	you may need to use an FTP program to do this as most browsers
	try to auto recognize file types and most bungle on the lha type
	and down load them as text.  At any rate, just bring the Lha file
	home to your Amiga and us amiga Lha to unzip on your machine,
	Lha138e.run is available on the Aminet it's demo version of 
	Lha, it's also a self-extracting archive so just get it and
	run it form the CLI.  Anyway hope this helps. If not just mail
	me more info and I'll let oyu know all I can.

			Thanks,
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Hi,
    I've lost track of the list game lately... Has there been a choice
on the scene/scenario/charecters ect?
Also whats the list game homepage url?
                        
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On 04-Jun-97 12:55:48 Keith Hill wrote something about Re: Another AGA question :)).

>> Oh, and do you guys think it necessary for us to include an AGA sprite
>> editor? Do you use the Amos sprite editor often?

>Gotta grab them from somewhere.  Actually, all you need is a sprite grabber

Well, you've actually hit the nail right on the head :)

We're going to include just a grabber...

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On 04-Jun-97 10:58:42 --==MURRAY==-- wrote something about Re: Another AGA question :)).

>> Oh, and do you guys think it necessary for us to include an AGA sprite
>> editor? Do you use the Amos sprite editor often?

>If there's no other way of getting AGA sprites then yes.
>All you would really need is soemthing to cut them out and set the 
>hotspot to begin with.

Yes, such a tool is included. We've opted for just a grabber.

>Just don't delay releasing it because of it. I'm sure we could all 
>have a fiddle with it without an editor!

We're working as fast as we can! It's just that we want to release a /good/
product.

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On 04-Jun-97 12:06:08 Jean-Baptiste BOLCATO wrote something about RE: Another AGA question :)).

>Why not focusing on Rtg (Cybergfx) and Rta (Ahi) routines ? 

AHI is going to be included, and RTG is also a very good possibility. We
might work with Steffen Haeuser to include his routines.

But this all depends on whether Vulcan is interested in publishing it.

Oh, and you didn't hear this from me. :))

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On 04-Jun-97 11:41:12 Rune J. Keller wrote something about Re: Another AGA question :)).

>>Oh, and do you guys think it necessary for us to include an AGA sprite
>>editor? Do you use the Amos sprite editor often?

>When is this extension being released?

Well, we're now including, for instance, AHI and AVI and some of the
suggestions you guys made.

So, erm, in brief : I don't know when it's going to be finished. We are
working our butts off programming the thing however. Please, have patience.


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On 04-Jun-97 12:55:48 Keith Hill wrote something about Re: Another AGA question :)).

>> Oh, and do you guys think it necessary for us to include an AGA sprite
>> editor? Do you use the Amos sprite editor often?

>Gotta grab them from somewhere.  Actually, all you need is a sprite grabber

By the way... I keep getting duplicates from you... I got this message 6
times... maybe there's something wrong with your mailer or something.

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From: Evert-Jan Slypen <jazz@lobster.demon.nl>
Subject: Re: Another AGA question :))
To: Amos ML <amos-list@access.digex.net>
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On 04-Jun-97 15:54:36 Branko Collin wrote something about Re: Another AGA question :)).

>> Gotta grab them from somewhere.  Actually, all you need is a sprite grabber
>> with the ability to add, insert & delete sprites from iff files.  Thats all
>> I'd want in a sprite 'editor'.  Crop after grab is ok, but don't spend
>> toooo much time on it.

>How about sprite grabbing commands in the extension, so that we can write
>our own program. 

Oh, those are included. But we'll throw in a grabber just in case.

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To the one known as Evert-Jan,
> On 04-Jun-97 12:55:48 Keith Hill wrote something about Re: Another AGA question :)).
> By the way... I keep getting duplicates from you... I got this message 6
> times... maybe there's something wrong with your mailer or something.

Yeah, it's annoying.  It's not in the mailer, or the sendmail proggie, it
seems to be in the proggie that delivers the mail to the net.  Sendmail
splits it up into the people its going to and sets up seperate mails, then
the other bit sends it to all the people its going to.  Multiply that out. 


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To the one known as Evert-Jan,
> On 04-Jun-97 12:55:48 Keith Hill wrote something about Re: Another AGA question :)).
> By the way... I keep getting duplicates from you... I got this message 6
> times... maybe there's something wrong with your mailer or something.

Yeah, it's annoying.  It's not in the mailer, or the sendmail proggie, it
seems to be in the proggie that delivers the mail to the net.  Sendmail
splits it up into the people its going to and sets up seperate mails, then
the other bit sends it to all the people its going to.  Multiply that out. 


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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
To: AMOS List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 10:05:36 -0500
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On 04-Jun-97, Scott Douglas Matott wrote:
>years, just download the files as Raw Data, straught Binary
>you may need to use an FTP program to do this as most browsers
>try to auto recognize file types and most bungle on the lha type
>and down load them as text.

As I said, hold down the SHIFT key when clicking on the link. That tells your
browser to download as raw data. It works on every browser I have ever come
across on ANY platform.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
To: AMOS List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 10:09:12 -0500
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On 04-Jun-97, James Brown wrote:
>    I've lost track of the list game lately... Has there been a choice
>on the scene/scenario/charecters ect?

I'm still waiting on comments for the scenario and in between text I came up
with. Decisions need to be made and I want your input (See? No dictator am I!)

>Also whats the list game homepage url?

For that, you will have to email me specifically. We are not posting it in
open.

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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
To: AMOS List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 10:13:40 -0500
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To avoid confusion on further list messages, please refer to the two list
projects in your subject as C&C for the command and conquer that is being
bashed about and CB (Cap'n Bubba (for now)) for the currently in production
multi stage list game.

Thank you for your cooperation.
 
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                      Giark
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It would be nice (I use it occasionally), but (IMHO) it would be nicer
to get the extension faster.
Mike

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Subject: wanted amos pro with compiler
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Hello i`m wondering if somebody has the above for sale or can point me in the 
dirrection of a software seller in Australia.

Email to "rgormley@netspace.net.au



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Mr. Giark To You accidentaly sent this to my address on 05-Jun-97 instead of
the trash drawer:
> On 04-Jun-97, Andrew Kellett wrote:
> >Please Email me if you are interested.

> >Mush

> >P.S. A good test maybe, would be to try and see if the AMOSList game can
> >     handle? What ya think Mr Giark, want to try it? Should only take youa
> >     couple of minutes to set up the program.

> Send it along. I'll give it a look now that I have pretty much unlimited
> internet access.

Sure, will do. I have a few bugs to iron out of my private version, then I
have to add a GUI and change a few things so that it can be made public, as
at the moment it just does one specific thing, and I have to change code to
change settings!!

Mush


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On 04-Giu-97, Jean-Baptiste BOLCATO wrote:

>A Big Hello to all AmosList subscribers!

Hi!

>I was just wondering a few questions about AMOS(pro) :

>* What are the best extensions to speed up gfx operations, to do intuition
>stuffs? At what price (if still available)?

AMCAF is the best for speed up the gfx operations (.. and much more!). The
price is 30DM

For the Intuition stuff have a look at the GUI Extension. It's freeware.
Get it on Aminet/dev/amos/GuiExt162.lha

>* Anyone experiencing problems with 68000 amigas, when trying to launch an
>AmosPro20 compiled program with icon banks in it? (knowing it works fine with
>a Amos136 compiled version). 

This is a famous bug :(


P.S Since probably you know Francois Lionet, do you have some extra
developer doc about Amos? Expecially about the Amos.Library functions? 

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From: Peter Cahill <cahill4@iol.ie>
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 19:49:20 +0500
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On 22-May-97, rgormley wrote:
>Hello i`m wondering if somebody has the above for sale or can point me in the

>dirrection of a software seller in Australia.

>Email to "rgormley@netspace.net.au

Steve Bye at 'steve@f1lw.demon.co.uk' sells the AMOS Pro compiler for about
15
I dont know if he sells AMOS Pro though.
Although he is in the UK and not Australia he would send it by mail order
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From: Schitso <johnp2@mail.airmail.net>
To: amos-list@access.digex.net
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 19:15:13 +0500
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After much troubles, I am finally back!

I have missed most of the AMOS list news.  The server deleted my mail, it got
too full.  :-(

I am now back on the Amiga,  new modem and all, but I still have a problem.  I
got a Quantum Atlas 31070 1GB hard drive.  Every time I cold boot it gives
false read errors.  A warm boot works fine!  I am useing the A3000 SCSI
controller.

Is it too late to get in on the list game, or are all pieces in place?  Is
there a webpage?

Thanks to all those who wished my sister well, she is doing prety well now. 
She thought it was cool people she didn't know were thinking of her. :-)

Thanks in advance,

Schitso


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From: Hakan Venderlof <grok@canit.se>
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>>>amos-list@access.digex.net

I made a little shoot the airplane game and
it's in Aminet game/shoot now.
No big fancy code, just a little piece,
but it is AMOSPro.


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From jonlb@online.no Sat Jun  7 10:22:24 1997
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From: Jon lennart berg <jonlb@online.no>
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Hell there Michael!

I noticed that you had uploaded some Blitz2 stuff on the Net, and i wondered
if you could help me with somthing.

I am trying very hard to build the best online reference for BlitzBasic2
users, and in doing so i need some material that can be spread.
So basicly i am wondering if you could be interested in giving my site
somthing special, some code examples, or perhaps write a small tutorial on
hardcore OS programming etc..
Anything is of interest really.

If you take a look at my site : Http://home.sol.no/jonlb/
then you will notice that the document section is quite thin!
But like i mentioned, anything Blitz'ish is of interest.


I am currently porting "Homesite" from the Pc using Blitz2.
To be able to port it, i need an OOP based GUI system (like windows 95) and
have started to code that.
Its comming along nicely! i cant wait to update it to assembler!
If i had more time i would have written more stuff for my page, but exams...
you know how it is.
But i have gotten great responce on my examples and the site itself, i hope
you like it!

Please get back to me on this as soon as possible, it would be nice if we
could have a Blitz2 comunity on the net exept for the mailing lists.

Best regards,
   Jon Lennart Berg


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On 06-Jun-97, Schitso wrote:
>Is it too late to get in on the list game, or are all pieces in place?  Is
>there a webpage?

Not too late. You'll have to send mail to me specifically for the web address.
We are not posting it in open.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
                                           joehick@golden.net
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To: AMOS List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 09:47:50 -0500
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Has anyone read the text on stages and storyline? If so, is it acceptable? If
not, what changes do you suggest? I have not heard much out of the team, so I
will assume that you are all hard at work and that interest has NOT waned. The
first deadline approaches and we have not got the title and main character
graphics yet.
 
Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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From: Schitso <johnp2@mail.airmail.net>
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I'm working on Cap'n Bubba.  I have one, kinda like Buzz Lightyear, and I'm
still thinking on the drunken guy with the fire extinguishers.  I think the
later will have more appeal. :-)  Should the enemies be cartoonish or evil? 
I'm thinking cartoonish.

I'm also working on the gfx for the sideways scroller.  Mainly the
backgrounds.  Also, is he to be in a ship or floating along like the space
harrier stage?

The sideways one is the only one I can plug in my graphics, right?  How about
source to the other parts to try out?  In space harrier, the graphics seem to
be plotted out, how do we work on those?

I'm still battling the new HD, so I'm running slow, but all work is saved on a
stable drive.

Hey Giark, any help on random filesystem corruption?  It passes all tests, but
real world stuff kills it.

Thanks in advance!

Schitso


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Greetings.

> Has anyone read the text on stages and storyline? If so, is it
> acceptable? If not, what changes do you suggest? I have not heard
> much out of the team, so I will assume that you are all hard at work
> and that interest has NOT waned. The first deadline approaches and
> we have not got the title and main character graphics yet.

I think the storyline is pretty acceptable, provided that some think 
there might should be a couple of changes (not me at the moment).

On those graphics, I'll get you some as soon as possible provided 
that you tell me what type of character you would like to see.

Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@hotmail.com, work: parrottsoft@emails.com

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Listgamers:
If you have access to a sampler, sample yourself saying your name, then send
it to me.
 
Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
                                           joehick@golden.net
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Pietro
The new scroll is exactly what I was looking for.

Now, all you guys check out the web page and the text for the game. I need to
know if we can go ahead and get graphics based on that. If so, who is into
doing between level pics that the text can scroll over?
 
Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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On 08-Jun-97, Adam Parrott wrote:
>I think the storyline is pretty acceptable, provided that some think 
>there might should be a couple of changes (not me at the moment).

It's just a rough outline with a bit of humour thrown in to make this the best
multiple game stage thingy we can make.

>On those graphics, I'll get you some as soon as possible provided 
>that you tell me what type of character you would like to see.

That's why I need to know if Cap'n Bubba is the final character or not. If so,
you can get a lot of ideas from the text and do your own thing. What would be
best is first a full screen pic of Cap'n Bubba, showing how he looks from the
front, side and back. Then, the graphic guys can all submit Cap'n Bubba
graphics based on the full page one.

Comments?

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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Greetings.

>> On those graphics, I'll get you some as soon as possible provided
>> that you tell me what type of character you would like to see.
 
> That's why I need to know if Cap'n Bubba is the final character or
> not. If so, you can get a lot of ideas from the text and do your own
> thing. What would be best is first a full screen pic of Cap'n Bubba,
> showing how he looks from the front, side and back. Then, the
> graphic guys can all submit Cap'n Bubba graphics based on the full
> page one.

Not to sound critical, but I think (besides Andy Hawkins) I am the 
only one that submitted anything graphical, unless you haven't put it 
up and I haven't seen it yet, Giark.

On Cap'n Bubba, you don't want a pot-bellied lizard type dude? hehe. 
I'd need some ideas on what people would like to see him as before I 
do any creating/redering.

Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@hotmail.com, work: parrottsoft@emails.com

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Hello all,

Where can I get the latest Turbo extension for AmosPro?

Cheers, Andy :GEOSYNC - MEDIA

BTW: Checked out the latest update of Star Fighter yet?  Full screen
animations, direct-from-disk soundtracks.  All for free!!!
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~geosync

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Greetings,

After passively reading about 500 mail messages this morning, I have decided to 
contribute to the game.



LINES=17 : rem number of lines of text-1
Dim TXT$(LINES)
Screen Open 0,640,256,16,Hires : use any dimensions so long as they're the same
Screen Open 1,640,256,16,Hires
Screen Hide 1
Screen To Front 0
Screen 1
Flash Off 
Curs Off 
Load Iff "pic.iff"
Screen 0
Flash Off 
Curs Off 
Get Palette 1
Double Buffer 
Autoback 0

'read in the text
For X=0 To LINES
Read TXT$(X)
Next 

'set the top of the text 
TT=280
'the main loop 
Do 
YC=TT
Screen 0
Screen Copy 1 To 0
For X=0 To LINES
If YC<=-30 Then Goto N : Rem sorry about the goto!!!  
L$=TXT$(X)
XC=(640-Len(L$)*8)/2
Ink 0,3,3
Gr Writing 0
Text XC,YC,L$
N:
YC=YC+Text Base+2
If YC=>280 Then Exit 
Next 
Screen Swap 
Wait 1
TT=TT-2
Loop 


'data
Data "CREDITS:"
Data ""
Data "Scrolling by Stuart Jones"
Data "Age 14"
Data "Hope this works on your machine"
Data "Cos I it did on mine!"
Data  ""
Data "I think that we should do a super-style game"
Data "(Like Transport Tycoon)"
Data "Built for the now average amiga"
Data "I.E. HDD + extra RAM"
data ""
data "I would be happy to do all the aesthetics for the game"
data "title screen, intro, credits etc.. cos I'm no good with bobs and sprites!"
data ""
data "The truth is out there!"
data ""
data "Long live the Amiga!"


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To the one known as Mr.,

> To avoid confusion on further list messages, please refer to the two list
> projects in your subject as C&C for the command and conquer that is being
> bashed about and CB (Cap'n Bubba (for now)) for the currently in production
> multi stage list game.

Hokey.  Well, I optimised the speed a bit more (!) and explosions/collisions
should be working nicely in the next few days.  BTW, I like the current
working title.



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On 08-Apr-97, Schitso wrote:
>I'm working on Cap'n Bubba., and I'm
>still thinking on the drunken guy with the fire extinguishers  Should the
enemies be cartoonish or evil? 

Probably cartoonish.

>I'm also working on the gfx for the sideways scroller.  Mainly the
>backgrounds.  Also, is he to be in a ship or floating along like the space
>harrier stage?

He's in the cheapo army surplus ship in the sideways scroller (unless the gang
decides they don't like the plotline I wrote, but no arguments so far).

>The sideways one is the only one I can plug in my graphics, right?  How about
>source to the other parts to try out?  In space harrier, the graphics seem to
>be plotted out, how do we work on those?

I should be getting source from all the stages on or before the June 30
deadline. As to individual graphics, you'd be best off contacting the
individual authors directly. (I guess I should start getting email addresses
on the page).

>Hey Giark, any help on random filesystem corruption?  It passes all tests,
but
>real world stuff kills it.

What is the setup? (Hardware, controller, system)

I know on mine, (GVP Impact Series II controller, MTEC68020+1Meg) if I switch
on the extra ram, the hidden dma messes up sometimes. I use a supra program to
turn off the hidden DMA when I use that ram.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 11:27:08 -0500
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On 08-Jun-97, Adam Parrott wrote:
>Not to sound critical, but I think (besides Andy Hawkins) I am the 
>only one that submitted anything graphical, unless you haven't put it 
>up and I haven't seen it yet, Giark.

Nope, all I have received is up on the page as soon as I get it. Since we have
no argument, let's have a couple title screens of `Cap'n Bubba and the Nasty
Alien Menace' drawn up.

>On Cap'n Bubba, you don't want a pot-bellied lizard type dude? hehe. 
>I'd need some ideas on what people would like to see him as before I 
>do any creating/redering.

Schitso is also working on the Cap'n. What I would like is for all of you
aspiring graphicos to do up your version of Cap'n Bubba. Then, we'll decide on
a final look for him.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 11:30:14 -0500
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On 08-Jun-97, Michael Drummond wrote:
>> If you have access to a sampler, sample yourself saying your name, then
send
>> it to me.
>11025 Hz, 8svx format?

Good enough. I can take IFF, WAV, AU, or anything. I saw this on a game for
the 64, where the makers all had their names in a sample while the game
loaded. We may not do it, but it's an idea.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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Just wanted to say that I am currently working on a menu system much like the
one in C&C and WarCraft which is intended to be used in a game like this.
It is very adjustable; able to run in any screensize (the buttons is
automaticaly fixed to a proper size), will support any number of colours
(hopefully very soon AGA thanks to the new extension!?) and it generally looks
very nice and slick IMHO.
The style is still fantasy as this seems to be the most popular.
Will anyone out there take the responsibility and be the leader of this
project or should we perhaps wait till the first list game is well completed?
I'd better go now... Have to read for my German exam tomorrow... aaargh!
-- 
rune j. keller - sporuplundsvej 105 - dk-8472 sporup - keller@vip.cybercity.dk
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Hello all,

I want to have my game install using the standard installer script and
then unpack all the disks using LHA.  How can I write the script to do
this.  It seems the commodore installer wont handle DOS commands.
When using the commodore installer with a script is it possible to add
DOS commands like LHA to the script. 
I am trying to write an installer using the standard commodore installer
, that runs LHA to unpack the files just installed to the
(dest@default-dest).
So when I type...
(copyfiles (source "Star_Fighter_Boot:")
           (dest@default-dest)
           (all)
)
..can I then include the command 
LHA e SF_BOOT (dest@default-dest)
...to get the currently copied file to unpack after being installed?

Any ideas?
Cheers, Andy:GEOSYNC-MEDIA

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On 04-Jun-97, Cameron James Bonde wrote:

>What about something with only say only 10 units. But each one has multiple
>actions. It could be something cute (worms etc). Actually cute and colourful
>would be cool. But make it faster than C&C because theres less units.

Sounds nicely, so far.

>There could be only 4 movable unit building options which each have distinct
>purposes/abilities. Each type would naturally have cool speech and graphics.
>But not like Z, that game really annoyed me! WAIT.....hang on I'm getting an
>idea...Maybe instead of buildings, a couple of unit types could be PLANTABLE.
>ie they run/drive/slither about until you double click on them (or press a 
>key) then they would PLANT themselves in the ground (cool anim!) and then
>have their BIG GUNS available. BUT to unPLANT them takes X amount of seconds

Hmm, wait... never heard for anything similar... not sure would it be so
fun...

>...Strategy with realtime tension! Hence the player could choose to build
>all plantable units or all moving/firing units or any combo, resuting in
>different tactics every game! eg moving/firing units for storming/team work
> and plantable units for defence/tactical advantage. Imagine reteating
>with a planter from firing units, then getting just far enough away,
>CURCHUNK, BAM BAM BAM! mowed the suckers! BUT will the intepid plantboy
>hold off the advancing forces?! Thats for the player to decide! Retreat/
>holdyourground. Maybe selected units could be directly controlable, unlike
>C&C, so the player could consentrate on critical areas.
>OK I here you say, 10 units = no action, well you could have units knocked 
>back by bigger explosions/hits. If they were hit by a planter they would be
>knocked back quite away (and maybe stunned) for vital seconds.
>That way planters could hold off an entire troop of movers if the attackers
>approach wasnt right! (enabling a good player to embarrase a bad one!)
> eg 2 from front & 2 from back because the planters would be very slow at 
>turning in their planted state! This would need intense thought on how to
>attack multiple planters, otherwise wasted energy & time(for reinforcements)
>There could be say 3 types of planters and 3 of movers. (+ maybe another
>type) 'not enough varitiy' I hear you scream, BUT!
>the game structure needs to be set so it SEEMS simple

I have been thinking about this a little... well, I still don't see too much
point in C&C strategy, but I think that this could be perfect for static
stratgy.. Imagine Worms viewed from above, and you'll know what I mean :)

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From: "Adam Parrott" <parrottsoft@emails.com>
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Greetings.

>> I'm working on Cap'n Bubba, and I'm still thinking
>> on the drunken guy with the fire extinguishers.
>> Should the enemies be cartoonish or evil? 
 
> Probably cartoonish.

I'm for cartoonish as well. Btw, Buzz Lightyear is a good idea for 
Cap'n Bubba. I thikn I could locate some models on him (or make one 
myself) and render some out in Lightwave.
 
>> The sideways one is the only one I can plug in my graphics, right? 
>> How about source to the other parts to try out?  In space harrier,
>> the graphics seem to be plotted out, how do we work on those?
 
> I should be getting source from all the stages on or before the June
> 30 deadline. As to individual graphics, you'd be best off contacting
> the individual authors directly. (I guess I should start getting
> email addresses on the page).

Well, whatever you do, don't do any graphics for the 3d-dungeon level 
(which I'm doing, the raycaster). I'll do those myself, however, any 
textures and/or enemies would be gladly accepted (the latter 
especially). My e-mail addresses are listed in my signature at the 
bottom of this message.

Btw, Giark, I can't seem to get anything off of the page to work 
(.lha's and Amos programs) after I download it. Everthing I get off 
seems to be corrupt. Any ideas? If nothing else, just send me 
everything via e-mail in a .zip or something.

Also, are there any other new graphics that you've received that you 
haven't put up on the page yet (besides the 3 title screen .jpeg's I 
did)? If there are, I haven't seen them and would like to.

Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@hotmail.com, work: parrottsoft@emails.com

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Hi, here's some questions for you..

1st: Has anyone has been able to get the InactiveList-command, in 
AMOSPro's dialogs, to work? Doing as the manual tells you, only generates 
an error.

2nd: Is there a way to put two ActiveLists over each other in two 
different dialogs? If I try do do this I'm only rewarded with a guru :-P. 
I've tried with freezing the first one but it doesn't matter. Another 
famos bug, eh?

3rd: Is there any friendly AMOS-dude out there who would be nice and send 
the GuiExt-extension to me (MIME-format please)? The FTP-server I used 
has been withdrawn... :-(
 
A500-6MB/120MB >---------------< A1200/030-40MHz/12MB/85MB/CD 8x
AMOSPro v2.00/Compiler v2.00

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To the one known as Mr.,
> On 08-Apr-97, Schitso wrote:
> >I'm working on Cap'n Bubba., and I'm
> >still thinking on the drunken guy with the fire extinguishers  Should the
> enemies be cartoonish or evil? 
> Probably cartoonish.

Both are cool.  Cartoonish and evil...  ;-)  Actually, a similar style
throughout ALL the levels and stages would be good, but I know all the
graphics guys have different styles.
 
> >The sideways one is the only one I can plug in my graphics, right?  How about
> >source to the other parts to try out?  In space harrier, the graphics seem to
> >be plotted out, how do we work on those?

Feel free to design a set (sets?) of graphics for a level of the space
harrier, errr, castle assault stage.  One level at least has some nice
graphics (thanks Andrew)  Any preferences to how they fly would be nice.

I need the graphics at 'closest to the player' stage, with as many colours
as you like...  They'll all get crunched to down to 32 in the end.  I'll try
and write a level-editor if I get a chance.  (don't hold your breath)

> I should be getting source from all the stages on or before the June 30
> deadline. As to individual graphics, you'd be best off contacting the
> individual authors directly. (I guess I should start getting email addresses
> on the page).

Ok.  My email address is at the top of this email (unsuprisingly)  


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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:02:18 -0500
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On 09-Jun-97, Adam Parrott wrote:
>Well, whatever you do, don't do any graphics for the 3d-dungeon level 
>(which I'm doing, the raycaster). I'll do those myself, however, any 
>textures and/or enemies would be gladly accepted (the latter 
>especially). My e-mail addresses are listed in my signature at the 
>bottom of this message.

Addresses for our group can also be found on the page in the update text.

>Btw, Giark, I can't seem to get anything off of the page to work 
>(.lha's and Amos programs) after I download it. Everthing I get off 
>seems to be corrupt. Any ideas? If nothing else, just send me 
>everything via e-mail in a .zip or something.

I've test dled everything and it has all worked fine.

>Also, are there any other new graphics that you've received that you 
>haven't put up on the page yet (besides the 3 title screen .jpeg's I 
>did)? If there are, I haven't seen them and would like to.

I've put everything I get up as soon as I get it. I think there are a lot of
people working, but no one is submitting yet.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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From: Cameron James Bonde <cbonde@lawson.appcomp.utas.edu.au>
To: Nikola Smolenski <smolensk@EUnet.yu>
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Subject: Re: C&C thingish *Idea for List Game*
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Hmm Pretty good idea. Good comprimise to my idea as mine would have to be 
very carfully programmed and thought out to be fun. But worms from above 
would be relativly easy to program and the scrolling could even be 
hardware scrolling of a screen 4 times bigger than 320*200. Could also 
solve the problems of linking up multiple computers because everyone 
could play on the one computer. The game would need some type of altitude 
I would think. Maybe make it isometric, or fake hills? Maybe start 
with no units and a quota of how many units can be used. So you still have 
the option of using different strategies in the middle of a game 
(still with that teleporting thing of mine!) Could be interesting!

CAMERON BONDE
cbonde@lawson.appcomp.utas.edu.au

On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Nikola Smolenski wrote:

> On 04-Jun-97, Cameron James Bonde wrote:
> 
> >What about something with only say only 10 units. But each one has multiple
> >actions. It could be something cute (worms etc). Actually cute and colourful
> >would be cool. But make it faster than C&C because theres less units.
> 
> Sounds nicely, so far.
> 
> >There could be only 4 movable unit building options which each have distinct
> >purposes/abilities. Each type would naturally have cool speech and graphics.
> >But not like Z, that game really annoyed me! WAIT.....hang on I'm getting an
> >idea...Maybe instead of buildings, a couple of unit types could be PLANTABLE.
> >ie they run/drive/slither about until you double click on them (or press a 
> >key) then they would PLANT themselves in the ground (cool anim!) and then
> >have their BIG GUNS available. BUT to unPLANT them takes X amount of seconds
> 
> Hmm, wait... never heard for anything similar... not sure would it be so
> fun...
> 
> >...Strategy with realtime tension! Hence the player could choose to build
> >all plantable units or all moving/firing units or any combo, resuting in
> >different tactics every game! eg moving/firing units for storming/team work
> > and plantable units for defence/tactical advantage. Imagine reteating
> >with a planter from firing units, then getting just far enough away,
> >CURCHUNK, BAM BAM BAM! mowed the suckers! BUT will the intepid plantboy
> >hold off the advancing forces?! Thats for the player to decide! Retreat/
> >holdyourground. Maybe selected units could be directly controlable, unlike
> >C&C, so the player could consentrate on critical areas.
> >OK I here you say, 10 units = no action, well you could have units knocked 
> >back by bigger explosions/hits. If they were hit by a planter they would be
> >knocked back quite away (and maybe stunned) for vital seconds.
> >That way planters could hold off an entire troop of movers if the attackers
> >approach wasnt right! (enabling a good player to embarrase a bad one!)
> > eg 2 from front & 2 from back because the planters would be very slow at 
> >turning in their planted state! This would need intense thought on how to
> >attack multiple planters, otherwise wasted energy & time(for reinforcements)
> >There could be say 3 types of planters and 3 of movers. (+ maybe another
> >type) 'not enough varitiy' I hear you scream, BUT!
> >the game structure needs to be set so it SEEMS simple
> 
> I have been thinking about this a little... well, I still don't see too much
> point in C&C strategy, but I think that this could be perfect for static
> stratgy.. Imagine Worms viewed from above, and you'll know what I mean :)
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Well, it has happened. The Mushroom PD Library is now back online with its
FTP site. Simply set your FTP programs to look at:

mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org

If my computer is online, you will be connected to a server other than
127.0.0.1. If that is the server you come up with (it will launch your own
servers if you do) then I am not online.

IMPORTANT POINTS
----------------

When you log in, you *MUST* set your FTP to give your email as the
password. If you dont, you simply wont get connected in. After a small
incident with my Demon server, this option will not be removed. This
program has been tested with AmFTP, and no problems occured at all.

The system will allow the uploading of files. All uploads must be
accompanied with a .Readme file, and be placed in the UPLOADS drawer
otherwise they will be discarded.

Logs are kept for every possible event that goes on, from when you log on,
to when you look around the different drawers. There is no limit as to what
you want to download, as it is all for free.

Any requests to open a special drawer for you, or for a project (like the
AMOS Mailing list game) or similar such project, all requests should be
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At the moment, only 4 people at a time can be in my system. I hopefully
will be able to monitor all 4 at once, and if my 33.6 can handle it easily
enough, I shall increase the number of users.

Over the next few days, I shall be improving and adding bits to the site,
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I sent a very early Cap'n Bubba to Giark today.  Let me know if this is the
type of guy we want.  I am stuck on the arms in the behind view for the Castle
Assault stage.  I don't even know if you could see them from this angle.  If
anyone has an idea, please send them directly to me also.

Once I get the character finalized, I can work on making it look good and the
animations.  I really want some funny ones for getting hit. :-P

What type of evil critters should we use?
Also, how about the ship in the side scroller?  I think a beat up junker would
fit well.

Schitso
  


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As Adam wrote, I am moving SOON.  I may loose contact for a little bit.  I am
not leaving, it may just take a little while to get another net account.

Just so you know, I give the AMOS List the right to use and modify my
submitted work and ideas for any AMOS List games.  If my work or ideas are
used for a commercial product, a reasonable attempt must be made to contact
me.

I just didn't want anyone to say, "Great! now we have to get another Bubba!"
Use it or modify it if you want, I'm not the type to complain about it.

BTW, What should I change on him?  Should we let Adam put it in Lightwave?  If
we do, ALL the graphics will have to be rendered, not just Bubba, and that
will take alot of work on his part in addition to doing the raycaster level.

Thanks

John "Schitso" Perkins


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From: Nikola Smolenski <smolensk@EUnet.yu>
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On 11-Jun-97, Cameron James Bonde wrote:
>Hmm Pretty good idea. Good comprimise to my idea as mine would have to be 
>very carfully programmed and thought out to be fun. But worms from above 

Every game need so :)

>would be relativly easy to program and the scrolling could even be 

Just to understand each other, I didn't mean worms, but worm-like game from
above, where units could be anything.

>hardware scrolling of a screen 4 times bigger than 320*200. Could also 
>solve the problems of linking up multiple computers because everyone 
>could play on the one computer. The game would need some type of altitude 

If that could be programmed relatively easy, then I think we should include
that.

>I would think. Maybe make it isometric, or fake hills? Maybe start 

Isometric... that wouldn't be clear enough. What kind of fake hills you mean?
BTW, we can add more terrain types than worms, say rivers or forests.

And now, yes.. shit.. worms are arcade game, but from above... I don't see how
much arcade could it be... What do you think, would it be good to have wind
(in every possible direction)? That could maybe solve the problem.

>with no units and a quota of how many units can be used. So you still have 
>the option of using different strategies in the middle of a game 
>(still with that teleporting thing of mine!) Could be interesting!

It could... I'm sorry, but for school holidays I'm probably going somewhere so
I can't contribute :(

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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:03:32 -0500
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I think we might use the punter mod for the intro. Thoughts?
 
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To the one known as Mr.,

> I think we might use the punter mod for the intro. Thoughts?

Fine by me..  

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Hello all AMOS users,

This is the first letter to the list and I would like to say hello
to you all. Watch out for a game called 'Monty the Wolf', it shows
people that AMOS isnt as crappy as some people thought...

The problem is that the games size is just over a disk, I dont want
to waste a nearly empty disk. I was just wondering if there is anyway
I could compress my files smaller? I was using PPSave/PPLoad, but both
have crappy flashing lines for decompressing. Any ideas ?

Thanx..

Anthony Sherratt aka ShEzZoR

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Hey there. I hope its not too late.

Seeing as ive managed to free myself some time during the day, I would like
to get involved with the list game in some kind of way.

Only problem, is im a bit unsure of what needs to be done. If anyone has
any suggestions as to what needs to be done then please let me know.

All my library options are open to everyone, and I can make ASCII lists
available.

Mush

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Good news, I hope!!

I should be opening up Mushroom PD to FTP goers very soon. Ive acquired a
program which is supposed to give me a static IP address, even tho im
dynamic, so people can all FTP into my site.

I'll keep you all posted as to the developments of this.

Mush

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From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Jun 11 23:41:10 1997
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I have been sent a new extension for AMOSPro, which is extremely usefull.
It will play all kinds of music modules, and could prove usefull for the
list game.

Most of the modules even have VUMeter commands. It can be downloaded from
http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk

Mush


                             Introduction

This is a new AMOSPro extension called "DOOM Music Extension" which provides
143 new commands & functions to AMOSPro and Compiler. The extension commands
provide the possibility for game and demo programmers to use different
sound-formats in their productions. We hope that you can use this extension
often. This music extension supports following formats:

         Internal-Player             External-Player
         ---------------             ---------------
        * Protracker                 * TFMX Pro & V1.5
        * THX Soundsystem            * Med
        * The Player 6.1A            * Octamed
                                     * Octamed Soundstudio (Octamix)
                                     * PlaySid
                                     * FutureComposer V1.0 - 1.3
                                     * FutureComposer V1.4
                                     * SoundMon V2.0
                                     * DigiBooster V1.x
                                     * SoundFX V1.3
                                     * ScreamTracker

  To keep the full copyright of this format we didn't enclose the
   playsid.library


@{i}If you will compile and run the examples,you must have the
mathtrans.library
in your LIBS-drawer.@{ui}


                               Freeware

This extension is FREEWARE, you can copy it and distribute it as much as you
like provided the archive is kept intact.I can't guarantee that all players
in this package are freely distributable and/or public domain.If you use the
extension a lot then please send me an E-Mail to let me know that you found
the program usefull.

                              Disclaimer

I DO NOT TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DAMAGE THAT COULD CAUSED BY THIS
EXTENSION !!! USE THIS PRODUCT AT YOUR OWN RISK.

                           Contact Adresses

       Snail: Thomas Reetz           EMail: deven@t-online.de
              Kreuzweg 4
              18439 Stralsund
              Germany



Sorry for any bad english you might find. :-)
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hi to all amos fans
I am Mohammad Reza Doroodyan(M.R.D) from Tehran-I.R IRAN
and i am 18 years old
first I  must   excuse  for my bad english   !
I am new here so may some of my Qs be alittle oldy
I am working on application more than games by Amos
my project now is a persian(farsi) editor,and an persian accounting
system,as some of you may know persian alphabets are not individual
like enflish ones,and they are like english script writting,and they
are continus,and our sentences begins from right to left!
now here goes my Qs
1.when I was writing my interface(it was ver big and button full
amos compiler said to me that there is no enough buffer what I can
do ,I now there is a part in amos interfase editor for writing
interface in a editor,but i don't know how to erite it and how to
load it to my editor?
2.now I am working on scrolling part for my editor,i want to see
is there any speedy way, now I erase the last line,and put lines upper
(i delete top line,and write other line from top,to make free
line at buttom of the page)[I hope I could say what i have done]
3.and here in IRAN like other countries in the world ,PC is
standard and we have a lot of good fonts for pc's,now i can read
some of pc font formats,but i can't write them in amiga font formats
so i want any help about amiga and pc fonts
4.and an oldy Q,What about AGA extention,actually the most cheapest
I have no credit card,AND I am not in europe!
5.also I need any news about 603e+ power up board for A1200 which is
@200MHZ,is it realy available in Europe or not
if so how much will be a 603e+ with 060 wirh 64mg ram in DM,or poand?
I think This is enough for now
M.R.D <===>|\/| . R . |)
mohamad@www.dci.co.ir => this is more better for me(only email account)
babak700@vax.ipm.ac.ir
A1200 with amos pro v2.00 and compiler v2.00

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Hello,
      I've got a few questions/suggestions for the CB game:

1 -  It mightnt be the most important thing at the moment,but
has there been and thought given to the scoring system?
There would have to be some reasonable standard to stop
modules scoring differently. I.e one scores 900 points for killing
a boss or something where another scores 2000 for killing a thug
who isnt really important.

2 -  Thinking yesterday that the game could probably need some bonus
levels or secret rooms ect. Eg, one would go to the bonus level
if they finish a level (Say a 4th of a module) without dying.
I was thinking of maybe a pang style subgame.
As in you shoot a big bubble it splits into 2 smaller ones and they
split into 4 smaller ones ect so when the smallest is burst a
bonus (Points? Ammo? Time??) is dropped.
My second idea fits in a bit better with the bubble gun idea.
Late last year I was messing about with a bubble bobble idea.
(For those that havent played it, its a platformer where you
capture baddies with bubbles and pop the bubbles to get points)
This could use the same bonus system where you get as many aliens
a possible in a time limit. I started programming this last year
but dropped it half finished for other work.
I could finish this is anyone thought it of use?

3 -  This message is getting a bit long already so I'll make it short,
I deleted lost some e-mail messages by accident and kind of remember
something about digitized names? What was that about?

Thats it from me!

Amigogcc -- James Brown -- Tasmania, Australia -- amigogc@hotmail.com


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Greetings.

Okay, Giark, no problems any more. I finally got those files 
downloaded. Of all things, I loaded up ILE (Internet Exploder, hehe, 
I use Netscape) and it downloaded everything!

Well, who would have thought that a product produced under the 
direction of ol' Billy-bob Gates would do me some good? hehe.

Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@hotmail.com, work: parrottsoft@emails.com

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Greetings.

Thought I would let everyone know a little ahead of time that 
Parrottsoft will be moving it's pages FROM Geocities TO Tripod. The 
new address is at:

http://members.tripod.com/~parrottsoft.

Please note that the redirective URLs-
parrottsoft.home.ml.org and parrottsoft.base.org

have been updated to the pages at Tripod and still work.
There will also a notice that Parrottsoft is moving up momentarily.

Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@hotmail.com, work: parrottsoft@emails.com

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On 11-Jun-97 14:03:32 Mr. Giark To You wrote something about CB intro.

>I think we might use the punter mod for the intro. Thoughts?

Does this mean you like it? <blush>

Mind you, I could change it to make it synchronize with any fancy effects
going on, so IF this music will be used the guy who's doing the intro
could contact me...

Gosh, I do love positive criticism :))

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Hello everybody:

Please, stop all this noise about multitasking, PC, M$, A/box, and so on.
I don't want to be rude but this is an AMOS list, and all this subject is
more properly for another mailing lists. Ok?

I have a question for Giark and everybody involved in the list's game.
How the game goes? I really like the name of the game "Cap'n Bubba" :)
Please Giark, can you put a line in all your posts indicating the
percentage already finished, like Adam Parrot did with him raycaster?

Greetings for Spain

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Mohamad@www.dci.co.ir accidentaly sent this to my address on 11-Jun-97 instead
of the trash drawer:
> hi to all amos fans
> I am Mohammad Reza Doroodyan(M.R.D) from Tehran-I.R IRAN
> and i am 18 years old

Hello to Iran!

> first I  must   excuse  for my bad english   !

Even us English cant type all that good at times. hehe

> I am new here so may some of my Qs be alittle oldy
> I am working on application more than games by Amos
> my project now is a persian(farsi) editor,and an persian accounting
> system,as some of you may know persian alphabets are not individual
> like enflish ones,and they are like english script writting,and they
> are continus,and our sentences begins from right to left!
> now here goes my Qs

> 1.when I was writing my interface(it was ver big and button full
> amos compiler said to me that there is no enough buffer what I can
> do ,I now there is a part in amos interfase editor for writing
> interface in a editor,but i don't know how to erite it and how to
> load it to my editor?

I think what you mean here, is when you go to run the program. By default,
AMOS sets the variable buffer to about 8K, depending on the settings in the
Editor Config. If you have a command like SET BUFFER 50, on the very first
line of your program, it will give you a variable buffer of 50K

> 2.now I am working on scrolling part for my editor,i want to see
> is there any speedy way, now I erase the last line,and put lines upper
> (i delete top line,and write other line from top,to make free
> line at buttom of the page)[I hope I could say what i have done]

I always found that scrolling upwards in a text was always slightly slower.
The easiest way (and quickest) is to use a SCREEN COPY and type the new
text over where you just moved the block from.

> 3.and here in IRAN like other countries in the world ,PC is
> standard and we have a lot of good fonts for pc's,now i can read
> some of pc font formats,but i can't write them in amiga font formats
> so i want any help about amiga and pc fonts

Hmmm, I dont think PC fonts are compatible. Standard fonts can be used in
AMOS and the TEXT command.

> 4.and an oldy Q,What about AGA extention,actually the most cheapest
> I have no credit card,AND I am not in europe!

The AGA extension is currently being debugged, and once it is released, the
demo version will be available on my AMOS homepages

> 5.also I need any news about 603e+ power up board for A1200 which is
> @200MHZ,is it realy available in Europe or not
> if so how much will be a 603e+ with 060 wirh 64mg ram in DM,or poand?
> I think This is enough for now

Hmmm, I dont think the Amiga has a processor that will go to 200Mhz, but i
could be wrong. As for the cost, I would have no idea of how much it would
be in Iran.

Mush

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On Thu Jun 12 14:33:13 1997, <Mohamad@www.dci.co.ir> wrote:

> hi to all amos/amiga fans
> DANGER! too Big/Huge/Great! Mail!
> ...

Yes, it was a very huge mail. Wow!

> AT LAST I WANT TO SAY
> 1.I HAVEN'T GET ANY REPLY FOR MY FIRST EMAIL

I don't know the rest of people, but I am very busy and I can't answer all
the queries. Besides, you have to let people to take some time to think
first and then answer. And there ase some problems that we don't know how
to solve.

> 2.SHOW ME A GOOD WAY FOR BUYING BOOKS & CDS,CAN ANY ONE POST THEM BY DHL
>   (I HOPE THERE WILL BE ANY GOOD WAY FOR ME TO PAY HIM MONEY)

Sorry, but in Spain we have the same problem :(.

> 3.I WANT ANY NEWS ABOUT 603E+ POWER UP BOARD!

The Blizzard 603e+ Power Board is the high-end PowerUp accelerator for Amiga
1200 systems. It features a high-performance PowerPC603e RISC processor @ 200
MHz clock speed and a socket for a 68040 or 68060 companion processor, a
memory expansion option for up to 64 MByte of high-speed memory, and a
Fast-SCSI-II controller on board. This board will be ideally suited for all
A1200 users who already own an accelerator with a 68040 or 68060 processor;
for Blizzard 1240T/ERC and Blizzard 1260 users it will be the PowerUp upgrade
offer.

Specifications:
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PPC Processor		PowerPC603e 200 MHz
Companion CPU		68040/68060 25-50 MHz
MIPS			280
SpecFP95		4,1
Memory Option		max. 64 MB
SIMM Sockets		1
SCSI on board		Fast SCSI-II
Suitable for		A1200
Est. Availability	End of July 97

UK prices in Pound including VAT (w/o 68k Companion CPU)	399.00
UK Price in the PowerUp UpGrade Program in Pounds		329.00

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:29:59 -0500
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On 11-Jun-97, James Brown wrote:
>1 -  It mightnt be the most important thing at the moment,but
>has there been and thought given to the scoring system?

I think the score may represent the cash Cap'n needs to pay of the tax man,
get his ship fixed, etc.

>2 -  Thinking yesterday that the game could probably need some bonus
>levels or secret rooms 
>My second idea fits in a bit better with the bubble gun idea.
>Late last year I was messing about with a bubble bobble idea.
>This could use the same bonus system where you get as many aliens
>a possible in a time limit. I started programming this last year
>but dropped it half finished for other work.
>I could finish this is anyone thought it of use?

Yup. I like the secret level idea. Get to work.

>3 -  This message is getting a bit long already so I'll make it short,
>I deleted lost some e-mail messages by accident and kind of remember
>something about digitized names? What was that about?

Ya, I would like to get everyone who works on the game to send me a digitzed
sample of his voice so we can play them all during the listgame credits. If we
can't get everyone digitized, we may not do it, but if we can...

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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On 11-Giu-97, Mr. Giark To You wrote: CB intro

>I think we might use the punter mod for the intro. Thoughts?
>
Yes..  it's very nice :)

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From: Mohamad@www.dci.co.ir
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Subject: I KNOW IT IS HUGE,BUT PLEASE READ IT!
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hi to all amos/amiga fans
DANGER! too Big/Huge/Great! Mail!
         Amiga In My Country,and my opnions about AMIGA!
after I saw your arguments about A/BOX the super Amiga(as I think)
I want to say sth about My loved machine AMIGA!
first i must say about my self and my amiga   when about 5 years ago
I bought an A600,I saw myself in Computer world! but at that time
PC users say to me hey you are out and Amiga is only for play!
and Amiga users said to me he! A600 is very bad you must bye a A500
but I started working,first i got familier with computer,
there was only one persian(my mother language) book about Amiga500!
I read that and then i got that what is this keyfull machine under my
hands!
some monthes later (less than 6 monthes) I saw a new Amiga,A1200
so it was very cheap at that time and it was becouse of A600 problems
I get an A1200,and then after some monthes a1200 prices raised and
came to 3x of mine price,and then when PCs grows up,the company
which was C= seller in Iran,saw that there is more benefit on PCs
and stoped selling amigas,but about my self,when I bought my A1200
I knew what is PC,AMIGA,INTEL,MOTOROLLA,BASIC,C and computer graphics
but nothing eles,I bought an 200MG hard and 020 card with 4mg ram
after that i start learning computer languages,AND MY PROBLEMS BEGINS
THERE WERE NOT ENOUGH AN UPTODATE COMPILERS,AND BOOKS I BOUGHT MY BOOKS
VERY VERY EXPENSIVE,BUT ALL OF BOOKS WERE PUBLISHED IN 1985!
when we see an AMIGA FORMAT or other AMIGA mags in Iran,we want to fly
(really I say) but here we have AMIGA PROGRAMERS LESS THAN USERS BUT MORE
LESS THAN OTHER PLACES MAY ABOUT 0.2%,but I am one of them(as I think)
when I saw the advertisment of programing books,CDs,or other things
I hope that I could come to europe and GET THESE THINGS,but not possible
and i must say we can find some things in IRAN for Amiga,even LIGHT ROM 5
two weeks after its publishing(Iranian graphic makers used amiga mostly,but
they are comming less,becouse of SPEED)
so I want to say to you who are in Europe and even Austrolia,KNOW THE VALUE
OF YOUR ABILITIES!
now I continue my own Amiga story(it is near end)
after 1 year i got not enought space on my hard disks,i get an 2.1 quantom
hard disk and 030/50 with 16mg ram,CDROM & modem but after 6monthes my hard
disks burnned,and after that I sold all things exept my AMIGA and my modem
now I am searching for any body who wants to go to Europe,and ask him to buy
an Power Up board for me,to MAKE MY AMIGA AGAIN!
but there is somthing about Whole Amiga,in Iran I saw many peopels who
sold theier Amigas to buy PCs,but they Reson was this
1.speed 2.speed 3.not enough good programs like CAD,or other Engniering
programs 4.AND EVEN NOT GOOD GAMES!!!!
so I as very young member Of this Beautifull and Powerfull ship which is
going to sink(I MEAN AMIGA) ask you all to write GOOD PROGRAMS
and User friendly,i am nothing,but i am doing this in my Editor,which
I said at my first mail,for example I Made every thing definable for
USER,and I support all the PC text formats(we have some text formats for
farsi Language with different Char sets!) and I am working on MACs formats
another thing is INTERFACES,I think amos intrface is not very good
but u can change it easily! so do it !
and about games.I think we must start new kind of games,I hope you have seen
F14-Tomcat and apachie full motion GAMES(i think Apachie is in
Aminet/game/demo) as you may know this games are written in amos
i think there were good games,but PC game makers saw that and started
the games like that,but they were differnt ,they get the IDEA but proved
it and made colour full full motioned games like mad dog!
Is It realy amiga problem that It can't show COLOUR FULL anims,or our
(programers) Problem!
another thing about games is LET'S WORK ON 3D games,i don't mean doom like
ones but some thing LIKE NEED FOR SPEED,or SCREAMER,after RALLY AGA i havent
seen any good car race game on Amiga,and to all programers
DON'T TRY TO MAKE SMALL GAMES,WITH MORE DATA YOU CAN MAKE A VERY GOOD GAME
AND HOPEFULLY CD IS INVENTED USE IT LIKE PC GAME MAKERS!

AT LAST I WANT TO SAY
1.I HAVEN'T GET ANY REPLY FOR MY FIRST EMAIL
2.SHOW ME A GOOD WAY FOR BUYING BOOKS & CDS,CAN ANY ONE POST THEM BY DHL
  (I HOPE THERE WILL BE ANY GOOD WAY FOR ME TO PAY HIM MONEY)
3.I WANT ANY NEWS ABOUT 603E+ POWER UP BOARD!
4.PLEASE HELP AMIGA TO NOT SINK AT THIS CYBER STORM,IN THIS CYBER SEA!
5.AND ANOTHER THINK,I THINK WE CAN MAKE A GAME HERE ALL WITH EACH OTHER!
AND IT WILL BE A VERY GOOD GAME!

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From: Evert-Jan Slypen <jazz@lobster.demon.nl>
Subject: Re: CB intro
To: Amos ML <amos-list@access.digex.net>
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On 11-Jun-97 14:03:32 Mr. Giark To You wrote something about CB intro.

>I think we might use the punter mod for the intro. Thoughts?

Yes, I've been giving it some thought, and I think the Punter mod could be
used as a starter before the actual intro.

Let me give an impression of how I see the intro with the music :

(the text bits have to be changed ofcourse - I just put some there for
the example)

Opening strings - Fade-in of a starfield which starts to scroll down
Choir 1         - Text overlay (fades in and out) "AmosList Prod. presents"
Choir 2         - "A game by the Amoslist team"
Choir 3         - "Starring"
Choir 4         - "Captain Bubba"
Boom 1          - "DIRECTED BY : xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" (coders)
Boom 2          - "VISUALS BY : xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" (gfxers)
Boom 3          - "MUSICAL SCORE BY : xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" (musicians)
Violins fade in - Fleet of Nasty Alien Menace (tm) comes into view.
Violin bit      - Pictures overlayed on the (still scrolling) starfield
                  depict the N.A.M plotting their evil plans, whatever they
                  may be (can't think of anything right now :)
Final strings   - The planet Captain Bubba resides on scrolls up from the
                  bottom (you know, a little faster than the starfield - I
                  think Wolfchild used this too), and from there on the
                  'proper' intro starts with C.B in the bar etc.

The reason for this is because the Punter mod is - I think - a little too
'heavy' to use for a comic style game... so after this intro the tune gets
all boppy etc when our hero appears on the screen.

So, er, is this a good idea?

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 First , thanks Alvarez I agree we should stop this a/box stuff.

	Well , Hi everybody this is my first apperence here , although some of you
may know me already.I would like to invite everybody to take a look on my
fight (beat em up a la King of fighters) game's home page. The game is
being developed under amos 1.3 and it looks really good.The place is:

http://www.angelfire.com/ak/gamecreation/

	There you fellows will be able to acompain its creation and even add some
of your stuff if you like , like scenario , music , players gfx.There is no
downloading at the moment but if you like the screen shots and the game
info , I can email the game to you.
	Any Ideas or comments are welcome.

	I also would like some information on this game Cap n'Bubba as I don't
know nothing about ,maybe I could help on something...

	See ya people.

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:56:56 -0500
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Anthony Sherratt accidentaly sent this to my address on 11-Jun-97 instead of
the trash drawer:
> Hello all AMOS users,

> This is the first letter to the list and I would like to say hello
> to you all. Watch out for a game called 'Monty the Wolf', it shows
> people that AMOS isnt as crappy as some people thought...

> The problem is that the games size is just over a disk, I dont want
> to waste a nearly empty disk. I was just wondering if there is anyway
> I could compress my files smaller? I was using PPSave/PPLoad, but both
> have crappy flashing lines for decompressing. Any ideas ?

Tried Stonecracker? Much better compression than Powerpacker, and doesnt
have any flashing lines or pointers whatsoever.

Mush

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From: Ken Axsom <kaxsom@comsol.tddc.net>
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:14:34 -0500
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If'n'anybody hasn't their hands full with the current
projects (CB & CC), I would like to propose another list-
game: a Kings Quest type adventure.  I've coded the screen
generator, main character control and animation, as well
as, a couple other things.  I sent Schitso the program
along with one of my completed screens. Although, he's more
of an action player and not much into adventure games,
he said: well, I'll let you ask'em.  ..Anyways..
I was hoping this could be one of those never-ending 
stories.  You graphic hounds will always be supplying new
backgrounds, characters, and you good story-tellers or
washed-up DM's could supply plots & puzzles. Kick it about
yourselves...y'all.

"Travelin' through hyperspace ain't like dustin' crops, boy", Han Solo.

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From: Mohamad@www.dci.co.ir
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Date: 12 Jun 1997 20:13:02 EDT
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>Mohamad@www.dci.co.ir accidentaly sent this to my address on 11-Jun-97 instead

>of the trash drawer:
>> hi to all amos fans
>> I am Mohammad Reza Doroodyan(M.R.D) from Tehran-I.R IRAN
>> and i am 18 years old

>Hello to Iran!
 Thanx alot!
>> first I  must   excuse  for my bad english   !

> Even us English cant type all that good at times. hehe

>> 1.when I was writing my interface(it was ver big and button full
>> amos compiler said to me that there is no enough buffer what I can
>> do ,I now there is a part in amos interfase editor for writing
>> interface in a editor,but i don't know how to erite it and how to
>> load it to my editor?

> I think what you mean here, is when you go to run the program. By default,
> AMOS sets the variable buffer to about 8K, depending on the settings in the
> Editor Config. If you have a command like SET BUFFER 50, on the very first
> line of your program, it will give you a variable buffer of 50K

I had typed SET BUFFER 100 but i get the ERR and if even I put it to 500
I SEE THIS ERR AGAIN

>> 2.now I am working on scrolling part for my editor,i want to see
>> is there any speedy way, now I erase the last line,and put lines upper
>> (i delete top line,and write other line from top,to make free
>> line at buttom of the page)[I hope I could say what i have done]

> I always found that scrolling upwards in a text was always slightly slower.
> The easiest way (and quickest) is to use a SCREEN COPY and type the new
> text over where you just moved the block from.

ver good idea

>> 3.and here in IRAN like other countries in the world ,PC is
>> standard and we have a lot of good fonts for pc's,now i can read
>> some of pc font formats,but i can't write them in amiga font formats
>> so i want any help about amiga and pc fonts

> Hmmm, I dont think PC fonts are compatible. Standard fonts can be used in
> AMOS and the TEXT command.

No,I mean I can READ their formats,but I can't write them in Amiga Font
format

>> 4.and an oldy Q,What about AGA extention,actually the most cheapest
>> I have no credit card,AND I am not in europe!

> The AGA extension is currently being debugged, and once it is released, the
> demo version will be available on my AMOS homepages

I don't know any AMOS homepages,so take me some!(one is bellow,is there
any other)

>> 5.also I need any news about 603e+ power up board for A1200 which is
>> @200MHZ,is it realy available in Europe or not
>> if so how much will be a 603e+ with 060 wirh 64mg ram in DM,or poand?
>> I think This is enough for now

> Hmmm, I dont think the Amiga has a processor that will go to 200Mhz, but i
> could be wrong. As for the cost, I would have no idea of how much it would
> be in Iran.

I thought that Amiga only we HEAR amiga news late,but I see in the heart
of TECHNOLGY it is so,only take a look at http://www.phase5.de
it is about 280 MIPS! but i want its price at england or Germany!
becouse i don't think it will come here until at least 6 months later
and i must say someone to take it for me from your country!

> Mush

> --
>         Email: Andy Kellett <mushypd@redrose.net>   Team *AMIGA*
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M.R.D
               Mohamad@www.dci.co.ir

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Greetings.

> another thing about games is LET'S WORK ON 3D games, i don't mean 
> doom like ones but some thing LIKE NEED FOR SPEED,or SCREAMER,after 
> RALLY AGA i havent seen any good car race game on Amiga,and to all 
> programers DON'T TRY TO MAKE SMALL GAMES,WITH MORE DATA YOU CAN MAKE 
> A VERY GOOD GAME AND HOPEFULLY CD IS INVENTED USE IT LIKE PC GAMERS

As you may not know, I'm currently working on a Doom type 3D game and 
engine, the engine which I'm going to also use to write a level for 
the List game (there is one going on. Please contact Giark at 
joehick@golden.net for more details.). After I finish my 3D game and 
engine, I plan to addon and modify the engine for a racing-game type 
engine and build some type of Need for Speed racing game. Hopefully 
by that time I can be writing all of that on an A\Box in AMOS!

Visit my website at: http://members.tripod.com/~parrottsoft

Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@hotmail.com, work: parrottsoft@emails.com

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Greetings.

I recently (last night) had a talk with Schitso, and he told me he 
would be moving soon. He also sent me a scetch of Cap'n Bubba, which 
I liked. I told him I could take it into Lightwave, trace it, make a 
3D model out of it, and the render some shots after slapping up a 
suit on him or something. It will be subject for review to him first, 
then if we both like it, I'll send it to Giark.

Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@hotmail.com, work: parrottsoft@emails.com

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On 14-Jun-97, Ken Axsom wrote:

>On 13-Jun-97, Ken Axsom wrote:
>>If'n'anybody hasn't their hands full with the current
>>projects (CB & CC), I would like to propose another list-
>>game: a Kings Quest type adventure.  I've coded the screen
>>generator, main character control and animation, as well
>>as, a couple other things.  I sent Schitso the program
>>along with one of my completed screens. Although, he's more
>>of an action player and not much into adventure games,
>>he said: well, I'll let you ask'em.  ..Anyways..
>>I was hoping this could be one of those never-ending 
>>stories.  You graphic hounds will always be supplying new
>>backgrounds, characters, and you good story-tellers or
>>washed-up DM's could supply plots & puzzles. Kick it about
>>yourselves...y'all.

>It was impressive, he had some great ideas to overcome huge screen redraws. 
>His character walks in front of/behind many different levels of depth,
through
>trees, etc.

>It is very good source to look at for new ideas.  :-)

>Schitso

No, he's not ghost writing for me, I accidently replied only to him. :-)

Schitso




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On 12-Jun-97 13:33:03 Pietro Ghizzoni wrote something about Re: CB intro.

>>I think we might use the punter mod for the intro. Thoughts?
>>
>Yes..  it's very nice :)

Thank you :)

I'm busy with the title tune now... think I'll start of with some sort of
fanfare with speech like "Captaainnnnnnn Bubbaaaaaaaa!!!!" and C.B standing
all proud (that's my idea for the title screen anyway :), and then
something happens (like the spotlights fall down or something - with CB
looking a tad miffed that his moment of glory is spoiled) and the
music changes to the real tune.. some sort of bouncy thing... I don't know
yet. :)

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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
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On 12-Jun-97, Angel Alvarez wrote:
>Please, stop all this noise about multitasking, PC, M$, A/box, and so on.
>I don't want to be rude but this is an AMOS list, and all this subject is
>more properly for another mailing lists. Ok?

I agree.

>How the game goes?

According to the last stuff I got from the team, it goes fairly well.

>Please Giark, can you put a line in all your posts indicating the
>percentage already finished, like Adam Parrot did with him raycaster?

I'd love to, but I don't have a clue. Q8-{) You see, this isn't like a project
by a company. I can't drop in on all the people who are involved and say `how
goes it' or some such. I must rely on what they tell me. I am really just a
coordinator and nag to keep things going. The best indication of how the game
is going is the web page.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
                                           joehick@golden.net
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Cool, I think it would be a crack up if he just stood there, still 
looking all glorious, without even noticing that everything 
around him is collapsing! 
Indicating he's not all there! (maybe he could laugh insanely yet 
heroically at the same time :) Like REN HOEK!!

ps For those still interested visit 
http://werple.net.au/~miriam/abox/index.html
for an awesome A\Box info site. Dont forget to E-mail them about G2000 & 
P5 teaming up! (I NEVER give up =D
CAMERON BONDE
cbonde@lawson.appcomp.utas.edu.au

On 13 Jun 1997, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote:

> On 12-Jun-97 13:33:03 Pietro Ghizzoni wrote something about Re: CB intro.
> 
> >>I think we might use the punter mod for the intro. Thoughts?
> >>
> >Yes..  it's very nice :)
> 
> Thank you :)
> 
> I'm busy with the title tune now... think I'll start of with some sort of
> fanfare with speech like "Captaainnnnnnn Bubbaaaaaaaa!!!!" and C.B standing
> all proud (that's my idea for the title screen anyway :), and then
> something happens (like the spotlights fall down or something - with CB
> looking a tad miffed that his moment of glory is spoiled) and the
> music changes to the real tune.. some sort of bouncy thing... I don't know
> yet. :)
> 
>                ________________________
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> 
> 

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On 12-Jun-97, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote:
>The reason for this is because the Punter mod is - I think - a little too
>'heavy' to use for a comic style game... so after this intro the tune gets
>all boppy etc when our hero appears on the screen.

Actually, I like that the punter.mod (grab it and listen, peoples) being so
dark. Cap'n Bubba is not really a comic character. The storyline is humourous,
but not overly so and there is a lot of real danger to be faced by Cap'n.
Also, good luck synching the text with the music that tightly. (different
machine speeds do afecct that in AMOS). But you have it pretty close for the
style of the intro.

Graphic guys:

Check out EJ's message and do some screens that you think would fit. I'll do
up the intro programming. Just get me the graphics.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
                                           joehick@golden.net
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On 12-Jun-97, Adam Parrott wrote:
>He also sent me a scetch of Cap'n Bubba, which 
>I liked. I told him I could take it into Lightwave, trace it, make a 
>3D model out of it, and the render some shots after slapping up a 
>suit on him or something. It will be subject for review to him first, 
>then if we both like it, I'll send it to Giark.

Go for it, but don't leave me out of the loop. I'd like to see the works in
progress. If you don't want them on the page, say so, but I'd like to see how
things progress.

All:
The Cap'n Bubba And The Nasty Alien Menace IS progressing. Send me your
graphics, mods, code bits, etc. You never know what we'll need. 

Well met and godspeed,
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From: Ken Axsom <kaxsom@comsol.tddc.net>
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On 13-Jun-97, Ken Axsom wrote:
>If'n'anybody hasn't their hands full with the current
>projects (CB & CC), I would like to propose another list-
>game: a Kings Quest type adventure.  I've coded the screen
>generator, main character control and animation, as well
>as, a couple other things.  I sent Schitso the program
>along with one of my completed screens. Although, he's more
>of an action player and not much into adventure games,
>he said: well, I'll let you ask'em.  ..Anyways..
>I was hoping this could be one of those never-ending 
>stories.  You graphic hounds will always be supplying new
>backgrounds, characters, and you good story-tellers or
>washed-up DM's could supply plots & puzzles. Kick it about
>yourselves...y'all.

It was impressive, he had some great ideas to overcome huge screen redraws. 
His character walks in front of/behind many different levels of depth, through
trees, etc.

It is very good source to look at for new ideas.  :-)

Schitso



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On 12-Jun-97 16:14:34 Ken Axsom wrote something about If y'alls plate ain't full:.

>stories.  You graphic hounds will always be supplying new
>backgrounds, characters, and you good story-tellers or
>washed-up DM's could supply plots & puzzles. Kick it about
>yourselves...y'all.

Well, I am busy with a graphic adventure myself at the moment, but I've got
some other ideas lying around that I wanted to do an adventure of. As a
matter of fact I was just writing them all down, so if you're interested I
can send them to you...

Oh, and if you need any music and I'm not too busy with CB then I can help
you out there as well :)

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On 12-Giu-97, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote: Re: CB intro

>On 11-Jun-97 14:03:32 Mr. Giark To You wrote something about CB intro.

>>I think we might use the punter mod for the intro. Thoughts?

>Does this mean you like it? <blush>

>Mind you, I could change it to make it synchronize with any fancy effects
>going on, so IF this music will be used the guy who's doing the intro
>could contact me...
>
>Gosh, I do love positive criticism :))

Hehe :) OK.... i'm  working on the intro. Gfx synchronization isn't a
difficult task.... now i need the gfx! Errmmm... hey gfx guys, are you reading
this message??  :) 

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From: John Bintz <uv334@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
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On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Andrew Kellett wrote:

> > The problem is that the games size is just over a disk, I dont want
> > to waste a nearly empty disk. I was just wondering if there is anyway
> > I could compress my files smaller? I was using PPSave/PPLoad, but both
> > have crappy flashing lines for decompressing. Any ideas ?
> 
> Tried Stonecracker? Much better compression than Powerpacker, and doesnt
> have any flashing lines or pointers whatsoever.

If you want to compress data files, you can try my XPK routines on 
Aminet.  You can choose the routine that's right for you, and all you 
have to include are the XPK libraries and sublibraries.  I used this for 
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On 13-Jun-97 10:23:41 Mr. Giark To You wrote something about Re: CB intro.

>>The reason for this is because the Punter mod is - I think - a little too
>>'heavy' to use for a comic style game... so after this intro the tune gets
>>all boppy etc when our hero appears on the screen.

>Actually, I like that the punter.mod (grab it and listen, peoples) being so

Yeah, or I'm going to have to beat you up. With a damp sock. Probably.

>dark. Cap'n Bubba is not really a comic character. The storyline is
>humourous, but not overly so and there is a lot of real danger to be faced by
>Cap'n. Also, good luck synching the text with the music that tightly.
>(different machine speeds do afecct that in AMOS). But you have it pretty
>close for the style of the intro.

Well, Amcaf can interpret protracker commands so you can sync effects
to them, I believe. But extensions are out so I've heard. But anyway, the
actual syncing is not really up to me, it's up to the coder... just tell me
how many booms and bangs you need and I'll plonk them in there (there's an
E6x command in one of the patterns with the booms, so you can change that
to how many credits there will be displayed). The trouble is (and this is
why you'll need syncing commands) is that on NTSC the module will be played
faster. Maybe you can alter the tempo of the module to play at PAL speed on
NTSC?

On the subject of the style of the modules... well, I've started work on
the title tune (currently only in THX format - I'll convert it into PT
when it's done) and while it's not exactly comicky it isn't doom and gloom
either... it's a kind of happy song... ooh but there's a threatening bit in
the middle though.. :) Anyway, it's still being worked on.. I can upload
the THX version if anybody wants to hear what it's like at the moment.

(THX is a synth-tracker from Abyss - it's in Aminet somewhere, I believe
v1.50 is coming out tomorrow, or so I have been told. I used it so I could
concentrate on the song first without having to worry about samples or
anything).

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Ok, Andy's pretty much out of the GFX, and I'm moving.  I'll put in some LONG
nights and try to get alot done before I move.  I need IDEAS!  Descriptions
will help.  Rough pictures regardless of quality are better.

The ship?
**Bad guys for Castle assault?
**Bad guys for side scroller?
Land for side scroller? (should it be buildings?)

I'm having most trouble thinking of bad guys.  I think I sent one to Adam, but
it was very generic.

Once I get the ideas in my head, it doesn't take that long.  Getting them
there is the problem.

Who can I get in touch with to carry on till I get back online?  You need to
be able to finish it if I can't get back before the 30th.

Lets go GFX guys!!!! :-)

Schitso




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On 13-Jun-97, Keith Hill wrote:
>Also included is a copy of Andrews dark renderings, which I can't really
>submit for the page without his say so,

Thanks.

>My email address is conspicuous in its absence from the page..

Because you hadn't sent mail since I started that.

> I'm over multitasking
>myself at the moment. 

I as well. I've got this going, a novel to finish and principle photography on
my movie is supposed to start next week. Argh.

>Dja know how the score module's going at the mo, whoever was writing that, 
>and how many pixels did it take up ?

Rob Sibley's the guy. Haven't seen anything from him in a while.


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On 13-Jun-97, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote:
>I'm busy with the title tune now... think I'll start of with some sort of
>fanfare with speech like "Captaainnnnnnn Bubbaaaaaaaa!!!!" and C.B standing
>all proud (that's my idea for the title screen anyway :), and then
>something happens (like the spotlights fall down or something - with CB
>looking a tad miffed that his moment of glory is spoiled) and the
>music changes to the real tune.. some sort of bouncy thing... I don't know
>yet. :)

Keep it up!

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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On 14-Jun-97, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote:
> The trouble is (and this is
>why you'll need syncing commands) is that on NTSC the module will be played
>faster. Maybe you can alter the tempo of the module to play at PAL speed on
>NTSC?

Don't worry about synchronization at this point.  I'll get a Cap'n Bubba title
sample up on the page today.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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Thanx for your solutions and the new Compiler Lib which works
a dream now. But a few more questions:

> Andrew Kellet wrote:
> Tried Stonecracker? Much better compression than Powerpacker.

Whats this ?  Never heard of it.  How would I use this in AMOS ?
Have you any source code ?

> John Bintz wrote:
> You can try my XPK routines on the Aminet.  You can choose the
> routine that's right for you, and all you have to include are
> the XPK libraries and sublibraries.  I used this for a platformer
> I wrote.  NUKE works especially well on Amos files (includink
> Spacked files, amazingly!) and its very fast.  It also comes with
> a compression shell, and a way to compress banks into files and
> vicey-versy.

Cant find them anywhere :(  Could ya send the files to me
personally ?  Does the archive include everything to get it working
and all with help files ?

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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:38:36 -0500
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Okay, here's how it stands from what I've seen:

Web Page
I've kept it as up to date as possible. I added file sizes to all the entries
so you have an idea of what you would be downloading. Everything I have
received is on the web site (except the one page of graphics that has not been
okayed for release to the page).

Music
EJ seems to be the man for this. His tunes are capturing the spirit of Cap'n
Bubba.

Graphics
I see some direct transfer to coders - this is good. We're still working out
the final look of Cap'n Bubba.

Code
Space Flight Stage - seen the first demo, nothing else yet. GB, how goes it?
Castle Assault Stage - third demo already up. Very nice work and much better
now that collisions and shooting is working.
Fight The Guards Stage - since the first proposal, nothing has been heard
about this stage. What goes on?
Dungeon Of Doom Stage - Adam assures us that he is getting there. Any
possibility of a demo, Andy?
Bubble Gun Stage - this was going to be a secret level, but if the FTG stage
is not happening, we may put this in as a regular stage. Can we see a demo,
James?
Score and Hige Score - Rob, how goes this?

Right now, we are 16 days away from the first deadline, where I'd like to see
at least the beginnings of each stage submitted (actual code, not compiled
versions) I know you all have other things to do, as do I, but let's keep on
working. The game looks to be a success, at least with us crazy AMOSers. I'm
working on a press release to be sent to Amiga Report once the game is
finished. Maybe we can even get on the Aminet Top Downloads list.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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Greetings.

Well, I'm sorry to spring this on you guys so suddenly, but it was a 
spur of the moment thing and I can't change it, but I'm going to be 
going on vacation this coming Monday (right now it's Saturday) and 
while I'm gone I'm sorry to say that I can't program (there is no 
portable Amiga laptop, hehe, wish there was.) This also means, Giark, 
that I probably won't be able to make the June 30 deadline.

However, don't fret, because, on the goes of my raycasting level, I 
will be taking my AMOS Pro manual, my thick raycaster book (which 
I've been reading and converting source from), and some paper, which 
in this case I'll be able to put my conversions and ideas down on 
paper and feed them into AMOS when I return.

As far as Bubba, you guys will have to be on your own, unless you 
would like to wait until I get back, (which I would *highly* 
recommend, hehe, since I have some good ideas which I haven't 
finished yet, and it would be more beneficial if you waited), which 
I'm not sure when that will be, but it should be about a couple of 
days before the end of the month, the 26th or so.

If you could postpone-extend the deadline for the List game until 
July 30th, since it doesn't look like the game will be done by the 
end of this month anyhow, that would be good, it would give me alot 
more time to finish my level and Bubba. Tell me what you think.

I'm not off yet, so, you guys that check your mail over the weekend, 
go ahead and chat with me if you wish, as I'll be on as much as 
possible over this weekend before I leave.

Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@hotmail.com, work: parrottsoft@emails.com

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I just checked on the list page for people to contact about the GFX.  The
graphics credits are strangely missing. :-(

What happened to all the guys who could offer artwork?

I'm NOT able to do ALL the graphics.  I AM doing all I can.  If you don't
think it looks like it is a N64 game, I DARE you to do better!!!!!

If you want this to work, (as Mr. Giark would surely say) GET OFF YOUR ASS!!!

Schitso - reeling from a long battle with artists block


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Greetings.

> Web Page
> I've kept it as up to date as possible. I added file sizes to all
> the entries so you have an idea of what you would be downloading.
> Everything I have received is on the web site (except the one page
> of graphics that has not been okayed for release to the page).

You've been very up to date from what I've seen.
 
> Dungeon Of Doom Stage - Adam assures us that he is getting there.
> Any possibility of a demo, Andy?

Believe me, I'm getting there, and I like I reported in my previous 
e-mailing, I'm going on vacation for about 7-10 days and may not be 
able to make the June 30 deadline, however, I will have the level to 
you as well (my own personal projects) the Cafe engine and 
Eventuator soon after that. Believe when I say the the raycasting 
level will BLOW YOU AWAY and I hope for it to be the best or most 
anticipated level in the entire game.

Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@hotmail.com, work: parrottsoft@emails.com

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On 14-Jun-97 10:10:47 Mr. Giark To You wrote something about Re: CB intro.

>>music changes to the real tune.. some sort of bouncy thing... I don't know
>>yet. :)

>Keep it up!

Er, the ideas or the music? :)

Oh, the THX tune on the webpage is the title tune not the intro tune
ofcourse. Download it (only 1k!) and let me know what you think!

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On 14-Jun-97, Adam Parrott wrote:
>portable Amiga laptop, hehe, wish there was.) This also means, Giark, 
>that I probably won't be able to make the June 30 deadline.

June 30 is not the final deadline, just the first deadline by which we would
like to see something from everyone. If you can't make that deadline, get as
close to it as possible.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
                                           joehick@golden.net
                             http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html
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   Fly By Nite Videe-Oh!      !  FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS !
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On 14-Jun-97, Schitso wrote:
>Who can I get in touch with to carry on till I get back online?  You need to
>be able to finish it if I can't get back before the 30th.

The 30th of June is not the final deadline. Do not disregard it, but if you
can't make it, don't worry.
 
Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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   Fly By Nite Videe-Oh!      !  FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS !
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Greetings.

> On 14-Jun-97, Adam Parrott wrote:
>> portable Amiga laptop, hehe, wish there was.) This also means,
>> Giark, that I probably won't be able to make the June 30 deadline.
 
> June 30 is not the final deadline, just the first deadline by which
> we would like to see something from everyone. If you can't make that
> deadline, get as close to it as possible.

Will do. Hopefully I should be completely or close to finished by 
mid-July, all of it definitely by July 30th.

Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@hotmail.com, work: parrottsoft@emails.com

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Greetings.

> Ok, Andy's pretty much out of the GFX, and I'm moving.  I'll put in
> some LONG nights and try to get alot done before I move.  I need
> IDEAS!  Descriptions will help.  Rough pictures regardless of
> quality are better.

Well, I'm most certainly in there, so it looks like it's just me and 
you from here on, unless Johnny Bintz (Hunt is On) would like to 
contribute some of his fine art skill.
 
> I'm having most trouble thinking of bad guys.  I think I sent one to
> Adam, but it was very generic.

I'll be doing the enemies for my level, however, I do welcome any 
ideas for enemies on my level (even though I think I can apply some 
of my creative ability in conjunction with Giark's outline for the 
story, should suffice I say.)
 
> Who can I get in touch with to carry on till I get back online?  You
> need to be able to finish it if I can't get back before the 30th.

Well, I would say me, but I'm going on vacation (I've said twice), 
so I won't be it touch for about 7-10 days. However, after I return, 
I will notify the list and will start back up on programming, coding, 
and graphic rendering. etc.

> Lets go GFX guys!!!! :-)
I'm going.. hehe.

Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@hotmail.com, work: parrottsoft@emails.com

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On 14-Jun-97, Mr. Giark wrote:

>Code
>Space Flight Stage - seen the first demo, nothing else yet. GB, how
>goes it?

   It goes quite well, actually. I HAVE been working on my part, and
   as you know, I have just finished the creation of a development-
   tool (The EnemyMotionDesigner), so I couldn't really work on a
   new demo until I had that done!!

   Anyway, now that the EMD utility is complete, I will start on the
   detailed designs for each of the four phases in the shooter stage.


   Regarding the EMD, I have fine-tuned it a bit more. There was one
   slight flaw (after loading a pattern-bank, you could not View a 
   Bank-Pattern until you created or loaded a Current-Pattern) so I
   fixed that and also improved the playback of the patterns while I
   was in the code (the bobs are now spaced at the same distance
   regardless of Pattern or Playback speed)...

   I hate to send you yet another version of the EMD Giark, so I will
   wait a few days and see if any new ideas crop up while working
   on the detailed phase-designs. If no further changes are made, I
   will send the, hopefuly, final of final versions of the EMD!!!


   If anyone needs a nice Motion-Designer for their Bobs/Enemies,
   check out the EMD and let me know what you think!!

   
>Right now, we are 16 days away from the first deadline, where I'd
>like to see at least the beginnings of each stage submitted
>(actual code, not compiled versions) I know you all have other
>things to do, as do I, but let's keep on working. 

   I will do my best to devote sufficient time to allow the shooter-
   stage to meet the deadline. My top priority is the QUALITY, so
   it may take a while longer, but it should be worth it...

   At any rate, trust me, I WILL complete the shooter!!
   

>The game looks to be a success, at least with us crazy AMOSers.
>I'm working on a press release to be sent to Amiga Report once
>the game is finished. Maybe we can even get on the Aminet Top
>Downloads list.

   Yes, AMOS-users should be VERY pleased with our work and with
   you handling the "public relations", this project will hopefully
   have a positive effect throughout the entire Amiga community.



   One final note: If ANYONE would like to contribute ideas for the
                   shooter stage then PLEASE do so!!

                   I'm interested in enemy-design characteristics,
                   power-ups, etc.
                   Also, feel free to design some enemy-motions
                   using the EMD utility. 

                   Any help received will definitely speed up the
                   development of the stage and make it that much
                   better as well!!

                   Currently, I am studying a half-dozen shooters to see
                   what's good, bad, what could be improved upon, etc.
                                    


                                               Take care,
      
                                                  Garfield



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Hello?   Hello?

Hey who said I was out of the GFX scene?  I have only done some graphics
for Keith`s Castle Assault level, and I haven`t heard anything more
about that one?
BTW  Keith?  Got any more work for me?  Could you put your latest code
on that site you set aside?  You know the one.  Oh, I`ve forgotten the
URL, could you send it again.

And the same goes for all you guys (coders et al).  I`m taking requests,
I told Mr. Giark to send graphics requests to me but I guess you missed
it.  Anyway,  so I`m here waiting.

Anything you want?  Cartoon gfx,  renders, backdrops, scenery, clouds,
walls  anything.  Just start sending the specs and I`ll start working. 
Adam Parrot you should be ashamed of your self :o)

Seeya, (oh and remember, I`ll do any gfx)
BTW: Mr Giark...Are you still expecting me to do the 3d polygon fighter
stage?  I haven`t heard anything...

Cheers, Andy H.

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Flattery will get you nowhere, Mr. Parrott.  I've been monitoring the 
game proceedings (because there's nothing more interesting in my box) and 
I didn't leap in with both feet because of my work on WebView.  But, if 
anyone needs some pictures, it'll be a welcome break from Amos coding.  
Just give me an idea of what you want it to look like, resolution, colors 
(and palette, if needed), and I'll try and pull some stuff together.

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Flattery will get you nowhere, Mr. Parrott.  I've been monitoring the 
game proceedings (because there's nothing more interesting in my box) and 
I didn't leap in with both feet because of my work on WebView.  But, if 
anyone needs some pictures, it'll be a welcome break from Amos coding.  
Just give me an idea of what you want it to look like, resolution, colors 
(and palette, if needed), and I'll try and pull some stuff together.

#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@
        John C. Bintz - * uv334@freenet.victoria.bc.ca *
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Come Visit Internext Software - the home of great Amiga software!
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To the one known as Andrew,

> Hello?   Hello?

Hiya.....   

> Hey who said I was out of the GFX scene?  I have only done some graphics
> for Keith`s Castle Assault level, and I haven`t heard anything more
> about that one?

Really ?  Right.  Graphics so far are cool, but more more more !!  I put
your dragon (one angle only) and the columns in the latest demo.  Dragon
looks absolutley lovely flying across the screen.  In fact, I liked it so
much, I flew it twice.  ;-)

> Anything you want?  Cartoon gfx,  renders, backdrops, scenery, clouds,
> walls  anything.  Just start sending the specs and I`ll start working. 

-------------------------------------------------------------
Right, here we go.  Graphics guys, start taking notes here...
-------------------------------------------------------------

I did mention a (preferably) one bitplane, (definately low bitplane)  cloud
background scene, nasty aliens, (friendly aliens ?) and any other gfx you
come up with.   Personally I like the gfx both you and schitso have done, 
and want more !!  Cartoon and renders are both great, but I think I'll have
to seperate them into (at least) two seperate level type things.  As to
colours (all of you) they will have to be reduced to 32 colours for the
game,  and any gfx done for me would be best at maximum colours (be sensible
on cartoon mode) and at closest to the player distance.

What objects do I want ?  Well, lets see.  Anything the original had is a
good start, y'know trioptic robots with guns the size of submarines,
mushrooms(!), dragons(!!), enemy fighters, wierd looking things with lots of
legs (Thanks Schitso), fireballs, missiles, projectiles, plasma effects,
explosions, columns (Thanks Andrew), strange looking plants to fly over,
more explosions, stones, rocks, mountains ?, bizzare spinning cube things,
multicoloured penguins, flying letters 'A', 'B', etc, colour fonts, alien
mechanical pods that spray unfriendly death in your general direction,
frenchmen (no offence meant), men from microsoft(offence meant), taxmen,
people coming to retune the VCR, flying cars, spice girls & flintstones
(kidding).

Animations are fine, they take no more time to display but are slightly
harder to program this end (b4 the editor is finished).  If you think your
graphic creation needs to retreat from the player, please do the gfx from
different angles to show this !!  Particularly when its easy with renders.

Oh yeah, Andrew.  Your dragon, can I please have a few more angles.  I wanna
see the back of his head and do a full flightplan for him !!  It would be
even better if he breathed fire..  (or ice, or gas..)

Perhaps we should break the levels down into area and terrain types, maybe
like an artic level, water(ocean), jungle, forest, plains, columns,
city(buildings) !, swamp, beach, actual castle.  Feel free to come up with
other types of level, this includes people who aren't doing anything !  The
more ideas the gfx guys get, the better, it seems.  Giark ??

Basically, anything graphic wise you can send (and this goes to all of you),
preferably in sets of graphics (level oriented) I can hurl at the player.  A
city level is more than possible, but a village would be faster..  A set of
graphics for a level is best 'cos it seperates the distinctive styles of you
gfx guys without making it look disjointed, so the more you all come up with
the better.  Feel free to run any wierd ideas past me.

More than 20 or 30 enemies per level would probably break the chip-mem
limit...  ;-)  The current demo (3) has 12 enemies for reference. 
(including rampant amos lettering)

Graphics can be as big as you like, but really big things slow it down a
bit.  If there are any particular flightplans your objects want to take, let
me know.  Hopefully there will be an flightplan editor soon, so we can all
design levels !!  Fun huh.

> Seeya, (oh and remember, I`ll do any gfx)

Cool.  See above(!)  (I'm not too sure about the dental hygene level
though..)

> BTW: Mr Giark...Are you still expecting me to do the 3d polygon fighter
> stage?  I haven`t heard anything...

Ah... it was you was it...!

Just a note to all, this project has been one of the most enjoyable projects
I have ever worked on, and it's really great to see so many people pulling
together like this.  If this project suceeds for no other reason, it's the
cooperation of amiga users and our community spirit that makes it special.

> Cheers, Andy H.

Cyagain.

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Hi,
   After recieving the go ahead for the Bonus stage I put together
a quick demo. Its not much at the moment, all I've got is the guy
running around the screen jumping on platforms.
There are no baddies and the graphics arnt even remotly related to
CB.
But I'll work on it tonight and upload something later in the week.

I really need to know if this will be a full level or not.
Right now I'm working on a simple 1 screen thing with 5 different
levels, So I want to know if I should expand it?


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Ok, another note about Cap'n Bubba.  Currently my level is fairly quiet..
This is a hint.  Perhaps we can have the Cap commenting on his surroundings
as he flies section to section, level to level, module to module, maybe even
communicating with his boss/taxman/girlfriend/mother/legion of heroes..

When the co-pilot of his army surplus bails out after the first hit, "you
just can't get good help these days"  (sorry, couldn't resist that one)

Also we need a suite of enemy alien noises, perhaps jeering at Bubba,
definately whooshing noises as they fly past, explosions, shooting sounds,
painfull death noises (poor chap), alien death noises, "oh my god there's a
toothbrush flying at me" noises, fire breathing dragon noises, you know the
sort of thing.  Comments should be turn-offable(probably).  Anything is
better than shoot and boom...


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*** Forwarded message, originally written by John Teasdale on 15-Jun-97 ***
Howdee..

Anyone else see the section Titled *Welcome Back*  
/Our old fave Amiga gets a big relaunch/ in the Daily Mirror on Saturday.

Here's the story if you missed it.
_________________________________________________________________________

HAVE a rummage in the attic or under the stairs and dig out your old Amiga.
The home computer which once was Britain's favorite is back in business.
The giant PC manufacturer, Gateway 2000, which recently bought the Amiga
technology, has given the old workhouse the thumbs up.
Gateway has promised to support it and encourage publishers to write new
games and other software. And the company is planning to build new, more
up-to-date Amiga computers.
With improved video games consoles and lower-priced home PC's, it'll take a
huge effort to put the Amiga back in the forefront of home computing and
game playing.
But Gateway director Stephen Johns says: "We aren't in any hurry to get our
money back. We will be very patient with the Amiga."

How long have you had your Amiga and do you still use it on a daily basis?
If so drop me a line to:

Amiga user
Power Up
The Mirror
1 Canada Square
London
E14 5AP
_________________________________________________________________________

So come on all you budding Amiga users let's tell them we're still here.
Incidently they also have an E-mail address which is:

*david@nataraj.demon.co.uk*

Why it was'nt included in the above .. I don't know ... Maybe they think
that, we as amiga users ar'nt capable of connecting to the internet.

L8r...

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Dear Mr. Cox,

Your page on the Amiga Web directory appeared at just the right time. So
here is a question for your frequently
(or infrequently) asked questions.

I am in the process of upgradeing my 1200 to an 040 with scssi
interface. I want to free up my PCMCIA slot
for another use (also one of the input pins on the end of the Zappo
Cdrom cable is screwed up. Is the Zappo a standard scssi unit /
interface. The back "looks" like it would just connect up..but I don't
want to damage the computer. (I opened the Zappo case, and the interface
board slots in to a standard header...the also seems like a row of
jumpers for setting ID number. A utility id'd the drive as a NEC
(36or35) Rev 1.8a???

Any ideas would be much appreciated...other wise I'll probably bring it
into work and end up hooking it up to my PeeCee..(id rather blow that up
any day)

Joe Piazzo
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To the one known as Garfield,
>    If anyone needs a nice Motion-Designer for their Bobs/Enemies,
>    check out the EMD and let me know what you think!!

It's not 3D...  Part from tht it seems alright.  BTW, liked the demo, but
move your enemies in bigger increments.

>    Yes, AMOS-users should be VERY pleased with our work and with
>    you handling the "public relations", this project will hopefully
>    have a positive effect throughout the entire Amiga community.

It'll also stop people saying 'no-one writes good games any more on the
amiga' for a while.  We'll also need to tell all the magazines, perhaps with
a (review only ?) level skipper so they can see all the stages easily.

>    One final note: If ANYONE would like to contribute ideas for the
>                    shooter stage then PLEASE do so!!

Maybe flying through a gaseous nebula that screws up all your instruments,
sudden swarms of bugs that stick to your shields, acid clouds, mines, aliens
that shoot back, black holes, cuddly toy, souffle mixer, aliens with big
heads proclaiming 'we are your friends, do not run', a fleet of microsoft
software registration lawyers tying you up with red tape, laser jamming
stations, smegging asteroid fields (always good), wierd spaceships launching
poisonous gas clouds of death, playing tag with space pirates who can move
about a hundred times faster than you, space spiders making webs for you to
fly into..

Actually, I quite like the space spider idea.  I'd quite like to see
flying huge spiders with a web stretched between them hurtling towards the
player in the space harrier bit.  Maybe even in 'end of level guardian'
mode.  Whatever.  HINT graphics guys.

One thing with the shooter stage, make sure you move the enemies quickly, if
they are too smooth, it's like flying in porridge.  Speed > Smoothness. 
Nothing worse than a scroller that feels slow, even if its not.  The
'Aaargh, its too fast' feeling is good..

(looks like we ended up working on a game together anyway..)

cyagain.

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On 16-Jun-97, Keith Hill wrote:

>BTW, liked the demo, but move your enemies in bigger increments.

   Bigger increments? Does it seem slow? I haven't had any
   feedback until now, and I thought it was just about right.

   Anyway, that demo is really "out-dated" and there will be a new
   one mixing "stupid" enemies who have some nice motions (using
   the EMD) with "intelligent" enemies which won't have quite so
   fancy motions, but will home-in, etc.
  
   I can't make the Dx/Dy of the enemies too large as, inevitably,
   the frame-rate will be dropping back to 25/30fps by the time the
   stage is complete, and this looks very bad when combined with
   "jumpy" bobs!!

   I will make the best compromise possible...
 
   
> Keith Hill's original recipe for a top-notch shooter...
>acid clouds, mines
      both sound good...
>aliens that shoot back 
      HA!HA! Yes, in a rare moment of insight I had figured out that we
      really need some enemies actually firing at the player...
>black holes 
      Hmmm... interesting concept. You could enter one "here" and
      they would warp you "there" (back to the beginning/end of
      the stage).
      Actually, it would be cool to have these black holes pulling you
      in. The closer you get, the more they pull... I like it!!
>laser jamming stations
      Another interesting idea. Should at least give the player the
      chance to take 'em out, so it would be best if the jamming
      effect increased the closer you are to them. I like this too!!
>smegging asteroid fields (always good) 
      There is an entire phase devoted to a bunch of rocks...
>wierd spaceships launching poisonous gas clouds of death 
      Yes, and the gas cloud expands as it moves away from the
      alien. Expanding and dissipating, so if you move through it at
      max size, only minor damage is inflicted... this might work.
>space spiders making webs for you to fly into...
      Been watching ST a bit too long, haven't you? HA! Yes, this is
      certainly original and would be quite easy to implement in the
      shooter. I don't want to "steal" this from your SH stage, so let
      me know what you think. Status pending...

   GREAT work Keith, you have all but completed the Phase One
   design. THANKS!! That's one less thing for me to do (HA!).


>One thing with the shooter stage, make sure you move the
>enemies quickly, if they are too smooth, it's like flying in
>porridge.  Speed > Smoothness. 

   Too smooth? I don't think they could be too SMOOTH. If I had my
   way, I would make this stage just for A1200 w/FastRAM or BETTER
   so we'd get 50/60 fps of smooth-as-silk animation.

   However, I will be dropping back to 25/30fps and using "jumpy"
   bobs, so everyone is happy... (not too mention it makes it that
   much easier on myself!!) :-)


>(looks like we ended up working on a game together anyway..)
   Yes, and the artists are still working so, I'll let you know when I
   receive the remaining gfx...


         Take care,

            Garfield



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Hi,
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On 16-Jun-97, Andrew Hawkins wrote:
>BTW: Mr Giark...Are you still expecting me to do the 3d polygon fighter
>stage?  I haven`t heard anything...

Yes. I hadn't heard anything from you, so I wasn't sure if you were working on
it or not.

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To the one known as Garfield,
> On 16-Jun-97, Keith Hill wrote:
> >BTW, liked the demo, but move your enemies in bigger increments.
>    Bigger increments? Does it seem slow? I haven't had any
>    feedback until now, and I thought it was just about right.

For my money, the best scrolling shooter is the original defender,
which looks and feels blindingly fast.  A lot of later ones feel much
slower, even though in programmer terms they are faster.  Perhaps simple
weighting on the joypad controls, so you move faster the longer you hold
it down would help.  More sensitive controls ?
 
>    Anyway, that demo is really "out-dated" and there will be a new
>    one mixing "stupid" enemies who have some nice motions (using
>    the EMD) with "intelligent" enemies which won't have quite so
>    fancy motions, but will home-in, etc.

Mine will be (shortly) shooting straight at the player.  Move that Bubba
out the way !

>    I can't make the Dx/Dy of the enemies too large as, inevitably,
>    the frame-rate will be dropping back to 25/30fps by the time the
>    stage is complete, and this looks very bad when combined with
>    "jumpy" bobs!!
>    I will make the best compromise possible...

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.  Remember people can only SEE about 24
frames per second, you'll get the balance right.  'jumpy' bobs are bad, but
they must feel fast.  The flightplans will take care of that.  No one pixel
increments..  

> > Keith Hill's original recipe for a top-notch shooter...
> >aliens that shoot back 
>       HA!HA! Yes, in a rare moment of insight I had figured out that we
>       really need some enemies actually firing at the player...

What, really ?  Hehehe.  

> >black holes 
>       Actually, it would be cool to have these black holes pulling you
>       in. The closer you get, the more they pull... I like it!!

Yup, thought you might..  Crank up those thrusters.  Hmm, there's an idea. 
Thought about having a speed control on the ship ?  Or just a thrust button ?

> >laser jamming stations
>       Another interesting idea. Should at least give the player the
>       chance to take 'em out, so it would be best if the jamming
>       effect increased the closer you are to them. I like this too!!

They could even fire actual lasers directly at you...  (rotten alien gits)
Hmm, think I'll have a laser field generating thingy at the end of one of my
levels as well.  Cool.

> >smegging asteroid fields (always good) 
>       There is an entire phase devoted to a bunch of rocks...
> >space spiders making webs for you to fly into...
>       Been watching ST a bit too long, haven't you? HA! Yes, this is

I was going to grab a lot more ideas from ST..  Decloaking ships, phasers,
photon torpedos, cubes trying to assimilate Bubba's ship..  Space Stations ??

>       certainly original and would be quite easy to implement in the
>       shooter. I don't want to "steal" this from your SH stage, so let
>       me know what you think. Status pending...

Ok, I'll see if I can figure out the way to do it for the SH stage and see
how it works out.  If it's really cool, an earlier idea may spoil it, or
enhance the tension.  Not sure how that'll go.

>    GREAT work Keith, you have all but completed the Phase One
>    design. THANKS!! That's one less thing for me to do (HA!).

No probs !

> >(looks like we ended up working on a game together anyway..)
>    Yes, and the artists are still working so, I'll let you know when I
>    receive the remaining gfx...

Cool.  I'll post more spider ideas for the graphic guys later.  (That was a
hint, we both want spiders !!)  Actually, on the thing-with-too-many-legs
subject, how about some nice big unfriendly insects to blow the smeg out 
of ?  

Music guys (or is it just EJS?): Just as a thought, are you leaving enough
channels free for soundFX for in game music ?  If I go with this spider idea
I'll also need some way creepy music.


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To the one known as Garfield,
> On 16-Jun-97, Keith Hill wrote:
> >BTW, liked the demo, but move your enemies in bigger increments.
>    Bigger increments? Does it seem slow? I haven't had any
>    feedback until now, and I thought it was just about right.

For my money, the best scrolling shooter is the original defender,
which looks and feels blindingly fast.  A lot of later ones feel much
slower, even though in programmer terms they are faster.  Perhaps simple
weighting on the joypad controls, so you move faster the longer you hold
it down would help.  More sensitive controls ?
 
>    Anyway, that demo is really "out-dated" and there will be a new
>    one mixing "stupid" enemies who have some nice motions (using
>    the EMD) with "intelligent" enemies which won't have quite so
>    fancy motions, but will home-in, etc.

Mine will be (shortly) shooting straight at the player.  Move that Bubba
out the way !

>    I can't make the Dx/Dy of the enemies too large as, inevitably,
>    the frame-rate will be dropping back to 25/30fps by the time the
>    stage is complete, and this looks very bad when combined with
>    "jumpy" bobs!!
>    I will make the best compromise possible...

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.  Remember people can only SEE about 24
frames per second, you'll get the balance right.  'jumpy' bobs are bad, but
they must feel fast.  The flightplans will take care of that.  No one pixel
increments..  

> > Keith Hill's original recipe for a top-notch shooter...
> >aliens that shoot back 
>       HA!HA! Yes, in a rare moment of insight I had figured out that we
>       really need some enemies actually firing at the player...

What, really ?  Hehehe.  

> >black holes 
>       Actually, it would be cool to have these black holes pulling you
>       in. The closer you get, the more they pull... I like it!!

Yup, thought you might..  Crank up those thrusters.  Hmm, there's an idea. 
Thought about having a speed control on the ship ?  Or just a thrust button ?

> >laser jamming stations
>       Another interesting idea. Should at least give the player the
>       chance to take 'em out, so it would be best if the jamming
>       effect increased the closer you are to them. I like this too!!

They could even fire actual lasers directly at you...  (rotten alien gits)
Hmm, think I'll have a laser field generating thingy at the end of one of my
levels as well.  Cool.

> >smegging asteroid fields (always good) 
>       There is an entire phase devoted to a bunch of rocks...
> >space spiders making webs for you to fly into...
>       Been watching ST a bit too long, haven't you? HA! Yes, this is

I was going to grab a lot more ideas from ST..  Decloaking ships, phasers,
photon torpedos, cubes trying to assimilate Bubba's ship..  Space Stations ??

>       certainly original and would be quite easy to implement in the
>       shooter. I don't want to "steal" this from your SH stage, so let
>       me know what you think. Status pending...

Ok, I'll see if I can figure out the way to do it for the SH stage and see
how it works out.  If it's really cool, an earlier idea may spoil it, or
enhance the tension.  Not sure how that'll go.

>    GREAT work Keith, you have all but completed the Phase One
>    design. THANKS!! That's one less thing for me to do (HA!).

No probs !

> >(looks like we ended up working on a game together anyway..)
>    Yes, and the artists are still working so, I'll let you know when I
>    receive the remaining gfx...

Cool.  I'll post more spider ideas for the graphic guys later.  (That was a
hint, we both want spiders !!)  Actually, on the thing-with-too-many-legs
subject, how about some nice big unfriendly insects to blow the smeg out 
of ?  

Music guys (or is it just EJS?): Just as a thought, are you leaving enough
channels free for soundFX for in game music ?  If I go with this spider idea
I'll also need some way creepy music.


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On 14-Jun-97, Mr. Giark To You wrote:

>>Dja know how the score module's going at the mo, whoever was writing that, 
>>and how many pixels did it take up ?

>Rob Sibley's the guy. Haven't seen anything from him in a while.

That would be me.  I've been away for a while, but I'm back now (hopefully). 
I've had my PC stolen from work so I only get to read mail from home on my
miggy - usually about 200 messages at a time.

Sorry for the delay, I've just had too much on lately to code anything.  I'll
send something as soon as it's worth sending.

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Howdy all list gamers!

I need some GFX for the BB stage:
                                 Some platforms 16 wide, 7 high,
Various pictures of the cap' walking, jumping ect (16 Wide & 21 in 
height). 
This games going to be greeeeat!  (That happy phrase (C) 1997 me!)



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I am considering developing a Stellar 7 -style game, and I need 3D
projection routines for that. I have read that a basic projection
formula would be:
Xscreen = (D*X)/(Z+D)
Yscreen = (D*Y)/(Z+D)
where X, Y and Z are the 3D coordinates and D is the distance of the
eye from the screen. However, these routines tend to elongate objects
in the distance. Is there any way to use more realistic formulas?


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From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Jun 17 15:18:28 1997
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From: Hakan Venderlof <grok@canit.se>
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My AmalEditor suddenly doesn't work.

'No jumps allowed in the middle of a loop' Amos tells me and
stops on the line
 
On Error Goto _GREG




Anyone knows something about this?

Is it possible to reinstall only the amaleditor?

When I load the amaleditor from my Amosbackup the same error occurs.

Is it possible to aquire only the amaleditor somewhere?

(I don't use Amal that much but sometimes the 'play' function
is good)


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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
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On 16-Jun-97, Keith Hill wrote:
>We'll also need to tell all the magazines, perhaps with
>a (review only ?) level skipper so they can see all the stages easily.

I'm thinking of two things.
1. Save game position. Nothing worse than having to start from the beginning
every time.
2. Home Computer Mode. We all bought home computers to get away from the
quarter feeding mentality, but so many games are still written as if you need
to shove a quarter in to continue. Maybe a menu that will let you play any
stage. You would not be able to complete the game this way, but you could at
least experience every level.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
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On 17-Jun-97, Keith Hill wrote:

Hey! Glad you guys are getting so gung ho about the game! BUT! Don't get too
carried away. While a million different ideas in each stage would be great, we
do want to put the game out this year. Q8-{)

>Music guys (or is it just EJS?): Just as a thought, are you leaving enough
>channels free for soundFX for in game music ?  If I go with this spider idea
>I'll also need some way creepy music.

I think we've settled on the idea of music for the title and end credits
(nach) but, during the game, you can choose either music (composed by EJ) or
sfx. The reason for this is the funky method AMOS uses for its music and
samples. This will get rid of at least one potential problem.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Jun 17 18:08:27 1997
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Hello every one!!

I wonder if there is anybody how nows some internet sites about AMOS?
In the same time I wonder if there is somebody how got the swedish
keyboard file to Amos the Creator, if mail it to me on hdjb@swipnet.se



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On 17-Jun-97 09:25:05 Mr. Giark To You wrote something about Re: CB Update(Space Flight).

>>Music guys (or is it just EJS?): Just as a thought, are you leaving enough
>>channels free for soundFX for in game music ?  If I go with this spider idea
>>I'll also need some way creepy music.

>I think we've settled on the idea of music for the title and end credits
>(nach) but, during the game, you can choose either music (composed by EJ) or
>sfx. The reason for this is the funky method AMOS uses for its music and
>samples. This will get rid of at least one potential problem.

I can work fine in 3 channels (the title for CB is three channels except
for the opening) by the way. I don't know if I'm too keen on the music OR
sfx idea, is there anyone who plays a game that has only music? I always
switch on SFX... :/

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On 16-Jun-97 19:59:50 Keith Hill wrote something about Re: CB Update(Space Flight).

>Music guys (or is it just EJS?): Just as a thought, are you leaving enough

It's just me.

>channels free for soundFX for in game music ?  If I go with this spider idea
>I'll also need some way creepy music.

Well, like I said in a previous post, I *can* make music in three channels
without too much problems, for me anyway. If I had the choice of playing
with only music or only sound fx I would always choose the latter, so I'm
not too keen on that idea.

The music quality needn't suffer, I could always mix some samples or rely
on some devious trickery like I did in the intro music to cram everything
in the number of channels available to me.

But I'm downloading the DOOM music extension at the moment from Mushy's
page, and maybe that adds some commands that we can use. I mean, it's free
so anyone can use it. But the real advantage could be that I could use
Digibooster to, say, make music in 4 channels and you could use a 5th
channel for the sound fx (digibooster supports up to 128 channels). I don't
know if this will work and if this won't hog the CPU, but I'll look into
this.

Oh btw, you can find the THX extension at his page aswell, so if you can't
listen to the CB title music and can't be bothered to download THX than
grab this and play it in Amos. I'd like to know what you guys think of the
title tune.

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On 17-Jun-97 06:47:09 Keith Hill wrote something about Re: CB intro.

>> Oh, the THX tune on the webpage is the title tune not the intro tune
>> ofcourse. Download it (only 1k!) and let me know what you think!

>Well, after I spent ages looking for a THX plug in, turned out to be quite
>pleasant and quite usable.  Great stuff.  Could do with some samples though.

Er, yes, that's one thing you can't do with THX. :) But thanks! I'll
convert it to PT format after I'm done with the other tunes (converting is
very easy since you can run the two programs simultaneously).

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From: Hakan Venderlof <grok@canit.se>
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On 18-Jun-97, --==MURRAY==-- wrote:
>>>> My AmalEditor suddenly doesn't work.
>>>Its not the Editor thats the problem, its your program thats on it.
>>>(at least that is what it sounds like from your description) 

But I can't even start the editor, I get error message
at once.


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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
To: AMOS List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:35:12 -0500
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On 18-Jun-97, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote:
>Well, like I said in a previous post, I *can* make music in three channels
>without too much problems, for me anyway. If I had the choice of playing
>with only music or only sound fx I would always choose the latter, so I'm
>not too keen on that idea.

If we only use MODs, I've never had any problem playing samples while the mod
plays. The manual says this will crash the system and that only using amos
music banks will allow it, but the opposite is true, as almost anything will
crash an amos music bank tune. We could put in a music/music+fx/fx option
then. I know I always turn the music off, myself.  Maybe I'll put a juke box
option in the options screen as well so they can all hear all of EJ's cool
tunes.

>But I'm downloading the DOOM music extension at the moment from Mushy's
I looked at it, it didn't strike me as all that useful, but maybe some of you
others will experiment with it and give us a better review.

> I'd like to know what you guys think of the
>title tune.

Title tune is cool. did you grab the Cap'n Bubba sample?

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> My AmalEditor suddenly doesn't work.
> 
> 'No jumps allowed in the middle of a loop' Amos tells me and
> stops on the line
>  
> On Error Goto _GREG

Its not the Editor thats the problem, its your program thats on it.
(at least that is what it sounds like from your description) 

No jumps allowed in the middle of a loop comes up when you try to 
jump into a loop (FOR NEXT for example) from outside it with 
Goto/Gosub etc. It also comes up for other similar things I believe.

-Murray


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Here's an .iff file of one of the screens
 rename: screen010

Let me know what ya'll think. Ken
Some of you already have it.
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Hey Everyone!

	I need some help with music and graphics for a C&C clone I am writing.
	It is set on a imaginary world and is a fantasy scenerio about a war
between two races that 	eventually involves every race on the planet.
	The game is much more involved that C&C, in that you have to manage
everything, horses, 	cattle, weapons, etc.

	The graphics style is more like C&C than Warcraft, with groups of
soldiers, and realistic 	graphics, instead of the cartoony style of
Warcraft.

	Any help will be appreciated.  

	Thank you (In advance).

	- J. Templeton

	- LSD melts in your mind, not in your hand



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From: Evert-Jan Slypen <jazz@lobster.demon.nl>
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On 18-Jun-97 10:35:12 Mr. Giark To You wrote something about Re: CB Update(Space Flight).

>>Well, like I said in a previous post, I *can* make music in three channels

>If we only use MODs, I've never had any problem playing samples while the mod
>plays. The manual says this will crash the system and that only using amos
>music banks will allow it, but the opposite is true, as almost anything will
>crash an amos music bank tune. We could put in a music/music+fx/fx option
>then. I know I always turn the music off, myself.  Maybe I'll put a juke box
>option in the options screen as well so they can all hear all of EJ's cool
>tunes.

Well, I may be wrong here, but if I'm not mistaken Amos just plays the
sample through the module... so say you have a chord in one channel, Amos
plays the SFX in that channel, half your music is gone for one pattern.

And maybe the jukebox idea is good for when you have completed the game...
after the elaborate and awesome endsequence & final credits and fireworks
you can listen to all the music, read some text from all the people
involved etc...

>>But I'm downloading the DOOM music extension at the moment from Mushy's
>I looked at it, it didn't strike me as all that useful, but maybe some of you
>others will experiment with it and give us a better review.

Well, at the moment it doesn't support sampleplaying yet with some of the
musicprograms where this could be useful (like Digibooster) but the author
says in a readme that this may be included in a future version.

>> I'd like to know what you guys think of the
>>title tune.

>Title tune is cool. did you grab the Cap'n Bubba sample?

Yes I did. :) I was planning on sampling my own masculine voice (ahem :)
but my sampler is on the fritz :/ So I'll abuse your vocals instead. :)

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On 19-Jun-97, --==MURRAY==-- wrote:
>>>> But I can't even start the editor, I get error message
>>>> at once.

>>>OH!!!
>>>I know what you mean. Have you recently updated AMOS to a new version.
>>>There was one version which suddenly introduced a new error check and 
>>>stopped you doing something to do wiht jumping in/out of loops.
>>>I know that several (old and baddly programmed) programs of mine had 
>>>to be adjusted to compensate.

>>>Find the bug and see if you can change it.

>>>-Murray

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To the one known as --==MURRAY==--,

> > If we only use MODs, I've never had any problem playing samples while the mod
> > plays. The manual says this will crash the system and that only using amos
> > music banks will allow it, but the opposite is true, as almost anything will

I havn't had sound actually crash the machine..

> Playing Sound FX over AMOS music banks works fine (sometimes there is 
> a bit of corrpution but you barely notice) and playing sounds over 
> MODS (tracker or MED) just doesn't work at all.

Interesting.

> Personally, I use AMCAF commands to play sound over Protracker 
> tunes which seems to work perfectly.

Havn't tried that.  
 
> Theres been a lot of people over the last few months that have said 
> various things about sound on AMOS. Everyone seems to get different 
> results and different problems.

The most annoying being the sample looping problem if you flick back to
workbench or whatever.  Drives me up the wall that one.


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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
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>also is the theam still cartoony ?????? or is it evil????? ive been   
>working on cartoon.

Well, evil cartoons. Q8-{)

Only two of your pics attached, but they are now up on the page.

Well met and godspeed,
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> If we only use MODs, I've never had any problem playing samples while the mod
> plays. The manual says this will crash the system and that only using amos
> music banks will allow it, but the opposite is true, as almost anything will
> crash an amos music bank tune. We could put in a music/music+fx/fx option
> then. I know I always turn the music off, myself.  Maybe I'll put a juke box
> option in the options screen as well so they can all hear all of EJ's cool
> tunes.

Hmmmm. I've never found that to be the case.
Playing Sound FX over AMOS music banks works fine (sometimes there is 
a bit of corrpution but you barely notice) and playing sounds over 
MODS (tracker or MED) just doesn't work at all.
Personally, I use AMCAF commands to play sound over Protracker 
tunes which seems to work perfectly.

Theres been a lot of people over the last few months that have said 
various things about sound on AMOS. Everyone seems to get different 
results and different problems.

-Murray


           \\|//     Alastair Murray
           (o o)       pmymagm@pmn1.maths.nott.ac.uk
|~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
|         AMINET         |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/    |
|     game/role/CHAOS    |                  +more)                  |
|game/jump/Banana Islands|     http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~agm/       |
|   game/shoot/Hanger18  |Current Projects: >Chaos 2                |
|    dev/amos/keystate   | >Kill Em All     >Hanger 18 II           |
|    dev/amos/picpack    | >Skool Daze      >The Crow               |
|                        | >Game Creator    >Banana Islands         |
|                        | >The Turtleminator                       |
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To: Hakan Venderlof <grok@canit.se>, amos-list@access.digex.net
Date:          Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:46:10 GMT0BST
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> But I can't even start the editor, I get error message
> at once.

OH!!!
I know what you mean. Have you recently updated AMOS to a new version.
There was one version which suddenly introduced a new error check and 
stopped you doing something to do wiht jumping in/out of loops.
I know that several (old and baddly programmed) programs of mine had 
to be adjusted to compensate.

Find the bug and see if you can change it.

-Murray

           \\|//     Alastair Murray
           (o o)       pmymagm@pmn1.maths.nott.ac.uk
|~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
|         AMINET         |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/    |
|     game/role/CHAOS    |                  +more)                  |
|game/jump/Banana Islands|     http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~agm/       |
|   game/shoot/Hanger18  |Current Projects: >Chaos 2                |
|    dev/amos/keystate   | >Kill Em All     >Hanger 18 II           |
|    dev/amos/picpack    | >Skool Daze      >The Crow               |
|                        | >Game Creator    >Banana Islands         |
|                        | >The Turtleminator                       |
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Hi,

Try this:

    _zoom=256
    lens=256
    distance=_zoom-z

    X_Screen = (lens*(x/distance))+cx
    Y_Screen = cy-(lens*(y/distance))

Where cx and cy are the coordinates of the centre of the screen.
This method seems to cause some problems when objects are "behind" the
camera, so be careful not to draw any point with distance<=0 (and 0 will mess
up the division anyway).

This gives you a 3D system with Cartesian x and y axes plus a z-axis sticking
out towards you. Crappy ASCII diagram follows:

          Y
          |
          |
          |
          0----------> X
         /
        /
       Z


While I'm at it, here's some rotation formulae:

To rotate a point about the world Y-axis:

            sang=sin(angle) : cang=cos(angle)            
            tempx = (x * cang) + (z * sang)
            tempz = (z * cang) - (x * sang)
            y=tempy
            z=tempz

(obviously some of these are floats, so stick the necessary # signs in in
Amos)

To rotate a point about the camera Y-axis (ie when you turn, rotate the
object
around the camera in the opposite direction):

            dz = z - _zoom
            tempx = (x * cang) + (dz * sang)
            tempz = ((dz * cang) - (x * sang)) + _zoom
            x=tempx
            y=tempy

Rotations about the other axes can be derived from these. If you're still
stuck,
let me know and I'll see if I can help you further.

Cheers,

Matt Craven
Hedgehog Software
mcraven629@aol.com


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I was wondering how do you program door games for BBSs in amos, I have
attempted different things, but none of them work.

I do know it is possible though, a game called Labby made for MaxsBBS was
made in AMOS. I tried contacting the guy who made it but I got no reply.

Well, thanx in advance

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Here's the dude you'll be controlling with a joystick:
 

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this file holds Zone data, put this file in the screen010 directory.
 So you should have the AMOS Pro program,
 a directory named screen010 with the iff file screen010,
 the BOB file obj010.Abk, and this file zon010.zon


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You'll need to MKDIR screen010 and put this file in it,
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> But I can't even start the editor, I get error message
> at once.

OH!!!
I know what you mean. Have you recently updated AMOS to a new version.
There was one version which suddenly introduced a new error check and 
stopped you doing something to do wiht jumping in/out of loops.
I know that several (old and baddly programmed) programs of mine had 
to be adjusted to compensate.

Find the bug and see if you can change it.

-Murray

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From: Ken Axsom <kaxsom@comsol.tddc.net>
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Subject: FW: KINGS QUEST clone :) Here's the DEMO!!
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> It's a bit rough on the edges, If you can come up with something better looking
> in 22 colours, I'd be happy to see.  I drew this screen on paper with oil pastels
> and water colors, then digitized with NewTeks Digi-View 4.0, then touched up
> with Deluxe Paint IV.

This picture is excellent.  I love the technique you used.  I gives the
picture some much of a professional look.  I love it.  Keep me posted on
this game.  I`d love to see a demo

Cheers Andy H. (GEOSYNC)

Here's the Demo and the rest of the supporting files in separate e-mails:
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On 17-jun-97 hdjb wrote:

>Hello every one!!

>I wonder if there is anybody how nows some internet sites about AMOS?

You can take a look at http://www.xs4all.nl/~collin/amiga/amoslinks.html for a
list of links.

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On 18-Jun-97 19:05:16 Templeton, Jeremy wrote something about I NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

>	I need some help with music and graphics for a C&C clone I am writing.

Erm, I could help out with the music... :) (as you might know from all the
CB posts :)


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Well, i have managed to get the group alt.religion.amos to work over here
in the USA. I would like to see more people contribute stuff to it, as i
will be frequenting it quite a lot.

its on the MCI and Sprint newsfeeds, and most providers should be able to
get it. If you refresh your groups list and it isnt there, ask your
provider to add it. Boosters are currenty going around, and I have had
conformation from Australia and New Zealand, that it is now in use.

Mush

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Can you do internet Games and stuff in Amos Pro or BB2 ?

Im programing on the PC most of the time using Delphi and am finishing
my first internet game.

I havent coded in the amiga for a year so, I coded in Amos Pro. I
tried Blitz Basic ][ but wasnt used to stuff like thta. i probably
would be now though.

Does ACID software still have a webpage? I cant find it.

Wanted : Recommended Amiga programming Pages on any languages.

Barry
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RBJ (rbjones@therightside.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: Can you do internet Games and stuff in Amos Pro or BB2 ?
: 
: Im programing on the PC most of the time using Delphi and am finishing
: my first internet game.

Yes, if you make use of the TCP: device offered by AmiTCP. Don't know
if it's the same with Miami, though. If you are willing to write your
own access routines, you can make use of bsdsocket.library, and _then_
everything is possible. This requires writing your own extension, thou.

Maarten



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RBJ <rbjones@therightside.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Can you do internet Games and stuff in Amos Pro or BB2 ?
If you can access shared libraries with Amos or BB2, a simple and convenient
solution would be to have a look at rtgmaster library. Not only does it
provide you with an easy-to-use interface to graphics boards, it also does
have functions for easy networking access, designed for people that either
don't have the time or knowledge to use the socket interface directly.

It's available on Aminet.

Regards,
	Hans-Joerg.

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On 20-Jun-97, Andrew Hawkins wrote:
>I was just checking the Amos List Page to see if my pictures survived
>transport and I can`t download them

Ya got me. 

>When I hold the shift key and left click on the link it saves it, but
>when I try to unarchive it, it is corrupt.
>Why can`t I download it?

What are you downloading with?

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On 19-Jun-97, mordecai@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>I was wondering how do you program door games for BBSs in amos, I have
>attempted different things, but none of them work.

You'll need some procedures to hit the STDIO ports.

>I do know it is possible though, a game called Labby made for MaxsBBS was
>made in AMOS. I tried contacting the guy who made it but I got no reply.

That's because MaxsBBS is written in AMOS as well.

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On 19-Jun-97, Keith Hill wrote:
>The most annoying being the sample looping problem if you flick back to
>workbench or whatever.  Drives me up the wall that one.

I use the eliconify command so I can make prgs flip to wb and back. On coming
back to amos, you need to use the sam loop off command to fix that problem.

Well met and godspeed,
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Sorry, this is not AMOS related, but I've got to know:

How do I unpack a Lha's SFX packed PC file on my Amiga?

How're things turning out with the C&C game?
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On 17-Jun-97, Mr. Giark To You wrote:


>Hey! Glad you guys are getting so gung ho about the game! BUT!
>Don't get too carried away. While a million different ideas in each
>stage would be great, we do want to put the game out this year.


   Hey! I needed SOME ideas as I'm sure the player would like to do
   more than just fly Bubba through the stage...

   However, your point is taken and I agree. I'll try not to get too
   carried away, but I do want the shooter-stage to be GOOD.


   OKAY!! I am finishing up the design and gfx for Phase One of the
   Shooter-stage. So far, we have...


   -   Eight enemies, including the weapons-jammer and the mine
   -   "Real" Bubba gfx (from Web-page)
   -   Gave Bubba a shield
   -   Bubba's gun can be powered up four levels in one of two
        different firing-styles
   -   I have the power-ups, weapons, shields, space scene and
        enemies' gfx all done
   -   I have the EMD flight paths almost complete

        
   Okay, either tonight (after work) or tomorrow, I will start on the
   code...   Looks like rain for the weekend which means little
   outside activities. Too bad as the lawn really needs work!  But,
   this also means I should have enough time to code up a new
   demo...
  
 


         Take care,

         Garfield



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Hello AMOS users,

I was fading in a 32 colour picture (you know using the Fade command)
when AMOS Pro crashed on me. I thought 'it worked fine when I used it
on a 16 colour picture, I used the same command'.

I used the following line:

Fade 3,$0,$200,$FFF,$204,$35,...all 32 colours

So I thought it must be because the lines to long?  And of course it
was. Every time I enter the above command with a really long line it
seems to crash. Is anyone having the same problem ? Is there a
solution ?

Anthony Sherratt aka ShEzZoR
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Anthony Sherratt accidentaly sent this to my address on 20-Jun-97 instead=
 of
the trash drawer:

try the procedures I just included. They should help. i have never had an=
y
problems. Make sure the command is on a line of its own.

Mush


> Hello AMOS users,

> I was fading in a 32 colour picture (you know using the Fade command)
> when AMOS Pro crashed on me. I thought 'it worked fine when I used it
> on a 16 colour picture, I used the same command'.

> I used the following line:

> Fade 3,$0,$200,$FFF,$204,$35,...all 32 colours

> So I thought it must be because the lines to long?  And of course it
> was. Every time I enter the above command with a really long line it
> seems to crash. Is anyone having the same problem ? Is there a
> solution ?

> Anthony Sherratt aka ShEzZoR
> -- =

> .--------------------.-----------------------------------------=B7 =B7
> |     ASP DESIGN     | WWW: Coming Soon...    (Around 1st July)
> :--------------------:-----------------------------------------=B7 =B7
> |111 Broadbent ave,  | Email: SHEZZOR@mail.talk-101.com
> |Latchford,          :-----------------------------------------=B7 =B7
> |Warrington,         | A1200/030/50Mhz-10MEG-420MB-28.8-2xCDROM
> |WA4 1UW, ENGLAND    :-----------------------------------------=B7 =B7
> |                    | Monty the Wolf {################=3D=3D=3D} 87%
> =B7                    =B7



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Garfield Benjamin <gbenjam@ix.netcom.com> writes:


> On 14-Jun-97, Mr. Giark wrote:

> >The game looks to be a success, at least with us crazy AMOSers.
> >I'm working on a press release to be sent to Amiga Report once
> >the game is finished. Maybe we can even get on the Aminet Top
> >Downloads list.
> 
>    Yes, AMOS-users should be VERY pleased with our work and with
>    you handling the "public relations", this project will hopefully
>    have a positive effect throughout the entire Amiga community.

Might I suggest one more channel for the pressrelease:
comp.sys.amiga.announce.

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Branko Collin accidentaly sent this to my address on 20-Jun-97 instead of the
trash drawer:

> Well, this is goodbye.

> We've had discussions about sending large mails to the list. I'm not
starting
> one again (and having to hear what a whiner I am for months). I'll just be
> consistent and unsubscribe.

> Maybe I'll return after the list game will be finished.

Yes, i think it is. the chap who posted the IFF file, the BOB file and the
demo should have posted them directly to Giark, and not the list.

Is the 10K limit still on, or was it unruled or what?

Mush

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On 17-Jun-97, RBJ wrote:
>Can you do internet Games and stuff in Amos Pro or BB2 ?

Gui extension offers a number of commands for TCP, but that isn't finished
yet.

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On 21-Jun-97, Ken Axsom wrote:
>If anyone has had a chance to run the program I sent to the list,
>how about some feedback.

Sorry, I was meaning to do this before.. =)  (I was surprised you didn't get
flamed for sending big files to the list.. although, most of us don't mind..
he he =)

The graphics are great and the engine you have created seems to work quite
effectively, one thing I thought you might want to work on, was making the
character look smaller as he walks away, and bigger when he comes closer. 
Also, it needs boundarys for the edges of the screen etc.. but you've no doubt
thought of all this already, so keep it up.. good work!

Later
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To the one known as Mr.,

> On 19-Jun-97, mordecai@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
> >I was wondering how do you program door games for BBSs in amos, I have
> >attempted different things, but none of them work.
> You'll need some procedures to hit the STDIO ports.

This is actually the hardest part....  Actually, all you need to do, at the
simplest level is to:

	open in 1,"*"
	open out 2,"*"

And read/write from those channels.  Any amos code/extensions you may have
that read/write from the standard cli are good.  Then get hold of ghizzo's
GUI extension, and use the multitasking compiler to compile, and then plug
your proggie into the doors menu, or whatever.  For testing purposes, the
program should 100% run in a cli window, if you have to, a raw: window.
 
> >I do know it is possible though, a game called Labby made for MaxsBBS was
> >made in AMOS. I tried contacting the guy who made it but I got no reply.
> That's because MaxsBBS is written in AMOS as well.

That of course, would help.  It's not that bad.  Have fun.


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On 20-Jun-97 14:18:39 Pietro Ghizzoni wrote something about Re: I NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

>>Erm, I could help out with the music... :) (as you might know from all the
>>CB posts :)

>Hey mighty EJS :) ... could you please help me too? I need a module

Sucking up always works eh :) Sure I'll help.

>for a demo program i'm developing for the latest version of my extension
>(... the GUI Extension... do you have tried it??) In the module i need a
>speech sample 'GUI Extension'.

Ah. Well, erm, my sampler is dead :/ So you'll have to find someone else
for that... (maybe Giark :) But what kind of music do you need? Fast? Slow?

>P.S Are there some news about the AGA extension?

Just 2 more weeks... :)

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On 19-Jun-97, MCraven629@aol.com wrote:

>To rotate a point about the world Y-axis:

>            sang=sin(angle) : cang=cos(angle)            
>            tempx = (x * cang) + (z * sang)
>            tempz = (z * cang) - (x * sang)

Hmm... here are tempx and tempz

>            y=tempy
>            z=tempz

but here are tempy and tempz. Where is the error?

>            dz = z - _zoom
>            tempx = (x * cang) + (dz * sang)
>            tempz = ((dz * cang) - (x * sang)) + _zoom
>            x=tempx
>            y=tempy

Also here?

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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
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On 20-Jun-97, Ken Axsom wrote:
>If anyone has had a chance to run the program I sent to the list,
>how about some feedback.

That would be the kings quest thingy?

Now, in a dir called Screen010
charac3.abk
screen010.iff
z_gen_amal.amos
obj010.abk
zon010.zon

Is that all, and have you ever heard of lha?

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 10:24:43 -0500
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On 20-Jun-97, Andrew Hawkins wrote:
>I`m using a PC with Netscape.  I have no MIME setting for LHA in my
>options.  How do you set it to MIME.  What`s the syntax etc.

Try editing your MIME types. (Do stupid PCs let you do that?) Find ZIP and
write down everyting for it. Then add a new one for LHA and use all the same
data as for ZIP, but change the name and extension pattern to LHA.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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To: AMOS List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 10:26:07 -0500
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On 21-Jun-97, Peter Bortas wrote:
>>    Yes, AMOS-users should be VERY pleased with our work and with
>>    you handling the "public relations", this project will hopefully
>>    have a positive effect throughout the entire Amiga community.
>Might I suggest one more channel for the pressrelease:
>comp.sys.amiga.announce.

Anyone want to volunteer to be the public relations dude?

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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To: AMOS List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
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I'd like to point out that the twit who sent all these files you guys are
whining about is not associated with the listgame. All listgame files are sent
directly to me, not the list.

Those files were for a Kings Quest type game and should have been sent to
aminet, but also should have been lhaed. Please do not blame the listgame for
this incident.
 
Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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Anyone got any source on how to switch the screen between PAL and NTSC?

I can detect the system screenmode, but on a PAL the 200 height screen isnt
stretched correctly.

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Hi,

Can anyone tell me the fastest way to read a 2d map at different 
angles?

Example: 
MAP$="ABCD"
           ="EFGH"
           ="IJKL"

Angle = 0 then B,F,J will be read
....
Angle = 45 then B,G,L will be read
etc...

Well thats a very simple example, but you get me problem?
Currently I'm just using a gosub for every possible angle (360) which 
is a massive bit of code especially with 10 or more steps!!!

In case you're wondering, it's for a simple wolfenstien clone (in AMOS PRO
on the A500).

Anyway, thanx in advance...
Rd,

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	COuldn't you just unpack it on the PC then Re-Pack it using an
	Amiga Compatible mode?

			Thanks,
				Scott Matott sXe


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>>            tempx = (x * cang) + (z * sang)
>>            tempz = (z * cang) - (x * sang)

>Hmm... here are tempx and tempz

>>            y=tempy
>>            z=tempz

>but here are tempy and tempz. Where is the error?

Sorry about that! It should have read:

x=tempx
z=tempz

Cheers,

Matt Craven
Hedgehog Software
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Input A

If you type a letter instead of a number after Input A
something like 'Please redo from start' will show up.

Is there some way to avoid that?

I would prefer to see the program just ignore letters
and keep waiting for a number to be input.





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On 21-Jun-97, Andrew Kellett wrote:
>Anyone got any source on how to switch the screen between PAL and NTSC?
>I can detect the system screenmode, but on a PAL the 200 height screen isnt
>stretched correctly.

Remember that article I sent you for EA4? Read it and be amazed.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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Just to let everyone know, I have speeded up my level AGAIN, and it now runs
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>----------
>From: 	Rune J. Keller[SMTP:keller@vip.cybercity.dk]
>Sent: 	Tuesday, 10 June 1997 2:48
>To: 	AMOS List
>Subject: 	C&C List Game
>
>>Just wanted to say that I am currently working on a menu system much like
>>the
>>one in C&C and WarCraft which is intended to be used in a game like this.
>>It is very adjustable; able to run in any screensize (the buttons is
>>automaticaly fixed to a proper size), will support any number of colours
>>(hopefully very soon AGA thanks to the new extension!?) and it generally
>>looks
>>very nice and slick IMHO.
>>The style is still fantasy as this seems to be the most popular.
>>Will anyone out there take the responsibility and be the leader of this
>>project or should we perhaps wait till the first list game is well
>>completed?
>>I'd better go now... Have to read for my German exam tomorrow... aaargh!

I'm not writing for the list game (at the moment), but you sidebar would
be VERY useful for my C&C clone.
	
	 - J. Templeton

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On Sun, 22 Jun 1997, Hakan Venderlof wrote:
> Input A
> If you type a letter instead of a number after Input A
> something like 'Please redo from start' will show up.
> Is there some way to avoid that?
Make it Input A$, then try to see if it converts to a number when using
Val().  If not, ignore it.

Michael
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To: "Maarten D. de Jong" <maarten@cpt6.stm.tudelft.nl>
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:14:53 -0500
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Maarten D. de Jong accidentaly sent this to my address on 17-Jun-97 instead of
the trash drawer:
> RBJ (rbjones@therightside.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> : Can you do internet Games and stuff in Amos Pro or BB2 ?
> : 
> : Im programing on the PC most of the time using Delphi and am finishing
> : my first internet game.

> Yes, if you make use of the TCP: device offered by AmiTCP. Don't know
> if it's the same with Miami, though. If you are willing to write your
> own access routines, you can make use of bsdsocket.library, and _then_
> everything is possible. This requires writing your own extension, thou.

Yeah, Miami uses the TCP: device (i registered mine not long ago) and it
runs a bit faster than AmiTCP IMHO.

Remember, there is Amarquee out there, a library which has many easily
adaptable features, and once I have finished this AMOS mailiinglist server,
I shall be attempting a net version of Sneech.

Mush

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From: Laurie Curwood <falcons@ihug.co.nz>
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:43:13 +1200
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On 24-Jun-97, Rune J. Keller wrote:

>I can maintain a web-site in style of that of the CB-game if you want me to!?
>If this turns out to be the case, you should write me to get the URL of this
>page.

Cool. Yep, set up your page. If no one else wants to/has the time/can be
bothered I'll be team leader for this one. Everyone who wants to help write a
C&C or Warcraft or whatever clone reply to me (don't clutter the list, I'll
post the results) after filling this simple questionaire:

1. Would you like to do a Medieval, or Futuristic, RTWG? (real time...)

2. Graphical style? (Drawn or raytraced)

3. What can you do? (Graphics, ideas, coding, A.I., etc)

4. Any other ideas, etc?

5. Who do you nominate for team leader?

6. What equipment do you have access to? (Sampler, Scanner, Toaster etc)

I think that's about all. Rune: Feel free to start designing a home page
similar to the CB one. This game will obviously require a lot of good quality
graphics, so the sooner we start, the better!

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On 22-Jun-97, Eric Hyland wrote:
>On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Andrew Kellett wrote:

>Welcome to the wonderfull world of NTSC. This is why you should using CPC
>in instead of PAL flipping. The only way to get true PAL screens on a NTSC
>system is to set PAL in the early boot options menu on a A1200,CD32,A4000
>anything else, and your screwed.

You can set PAL/NTSC in early boot options on any 3.x kickstart system. It
doesn't have to be AGA.

>Eric Hyland
>a007193t@bc.seflin.org




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Hi !

Did anyone experienced problems with AMOSpro20 and AMOS136 when trying to open interlaced screens? I only have a strange non interlaced, one line on two removed, screen.
(with the Editor, direct mode or the compiled program)
I think it may be due to the A3000 de-interlacer, but I'm not sure...

Please help!

JBB


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      To ALL:

 
      Sorry for not replying to any e-mails (I'm checking my mail after
      I send this message) over the last couple of days...


      I actually have a CD32 with SX-1 expansion module and it is
      VERY erratic.

      Sunday night, I finished the second ShooterDemo, but before I
      could archive it and send it to Mr. G, the SX-1 decided it was
      time to crash my harddrive!!!!

      Anyway, thanks to my brother Robert, giving me his SX-1 box,
      I am now "back in business".

      
      Mr. G,  I will archive the shooter-demo and send it to you VERY
      soon (you never know when these SX-1 boxes will go)...


      I have a new 50 MHz SX32 PRO expansion board sitting here and
      as soon as I buy a "big" power supply and finish archiving the
      contents of my harddrive I will switch over to a new harddrive
      and the SX32 PRO board. Should put an end to these crashes
      once and for all. It's difficult to make substantial progress when
      your computer's down a couple days once every few weeks!!!!
 


      Take care,
      
         Garfield

      


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Jean-Baptiste BOLCATO accidentaly sent this to my address on 24-Jun-97 instead
of the trash drawer:
> Hi !

> Did anyone experienced problems with AMOSpro20 and AMOS136 when trying to
open
> interlaced screens? I only have a strange non interlaced, one line on two
> removed, screen.
> (with the Editor, direct mode or the compiled program)
> I think it may be due to the A3000 de-interlacer, but I'm not sure...

This is one of the many bugs within AMOS. I find, that doing a LOAD IFF of
a screen is a lot easier, and copying the image from another screen, is lot
more simpler. Plus, the first screen you loaded is interlace, so the system
keeps its properties.

To use the screen for in-program use is a little more difficult. There isnt
really much you can do if your system is not interlace-friendly.

Mush

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From: "Rune J. Keller" <keller@vip.cybercity.dk>
To: AMOS List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:49:19 +0100
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On 23-Jun-97, Keith Hill wrote:
>Yeah, good point.  Now, if I'm stripping out every unnecessary bit of code
>to help the slower machines, how can I get it running sensibly on faster
>machines without slowing it down too much ??

Now I know how to explain it:

A couple of my friends from school run a PC-network where they're usually
playing a game like Quake. Now, one of them has a P-75 and run the game with
about 15fps. Another has a P-200MMX and can easily run 30fps. However the game
itself runs with the same speed on both computers, otherwise it would be
pretty fu**ed up, if the P-75 guy would play in the other players' past (like
time-travelling and stuff...) since his computer would always be behind. Get
the point?

To solve the problem you could check the speed of the machine in the beginning
of the game and according to this value change the speed of the monsters.
On the other hand; this would still not make the game run the same speed on
all computers. I guess the best would be if you could make the main game loop
(where is the monsters, the hero?) run exactly 50fps on any computer and then
make the slow operations (drawing onto the screen, I presume) run in less than
this according to the speed of the computer. Get it?

Has anybody else solved this problem in a better way?

-- 
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From: "Rune J. Keller" <keller@vip.cybercity.dk>
To: AMOS List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:04:06 +0100
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A web-page has been set up for the developers of the C&C AMOS List Game with
the working title
SLAYING SORCERERS
(don't put too much in that though...)

If you would like access to the page please ask either me or Laurie Curwood
for the URL.

Please note that this page is only for the developers or those interested in
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On 23-Jun-97, Andrew Kellett wrote:
>If I remember correctly, there was an AMOS extension for a BBS, Im sure I
>have it in my library, i'll dig it out.

That is the extension for MaxsBBS.

Well met and godspeed,
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On 24-Jun-97, Andrew Kellett wrote:
>> I think it may be due to the A3000 de-interlacer, but I'm not sure...

It's not a 3000 bug, or really an AMOS bug. It's a WB3 bug. If you find some
WB2 flash rom images for your 3000, you will no longer experience the problem,
but you will have to use WB2.

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Helo everybody!

I got a few questions for you all:

	First , I have asked information about the games people are making with
the help of amos list , like Captain bubba , I got in the list a bit late
to know what is going on , but my mail had no reply. Could somebody have
some patience to explain the project to me? I can do a few 2d or 3d
animations for it.

	Second , I'm in great need form music people for my Beat em up game , the
one located at:
http://www.angelfire.com/ak/gamecreation/
	I have been using some modules from aminet , but I feel it would be a lot
better if somebody played the game , and then composed the right track! Is
anybody interested in this?

	Third , about my game again , it was made with amos 1.3.So , The last
thing I added to the game , was multiple sound banks , like player one has
his soundbank for all his specific SFX and player 2 has another sound bank
for himself. During the game , the sound banks change a lot , like if
player one makes something the bank is set for his sound , and the same
about player 2. As the game is quite fast , I believe this is the problem.
To the problem now , sometime , during the middle of a round , the game
falls back to workbench , there is no appearent reason for that to happen
as the program is not loading or doing anything relate to files. So , as
the sound bank stuff was the last add I did , I'm starting to think he is
the problem.Does anybody know something about this? By the way , this bug
only happens rarely , but I'm worried still.

See ya!

>From Erico Patricio Monteiro (techno)

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At 01:49 PM 6/24/97 +0100, you wrote:
>On 23-Jun-97, Keith Hill wrote:
>>Yeah, good point.  Now, if I'm stripping out every unnecessary bit of code
>>to help the slower machines, how can I get it running sensibly on faster
>>machines without slowing it down too much ??

You could place a speed control on the main menu , like , the fastest
option would be plain while the slower options would set loops on the main
menu , like , you can have 3 speeds , the fast speed would set R=1 , the
normal would set , R=500 , and the slow speed would set R=1000.
Then you place a line on the main menu like ; for x=1 to R :next x or any
other pause command.
I find this suits nice for my fighting game as I discovered that the speed
of it changes incredibly from machine to machine.
Although it is a very archaic way to control speed , it is normal to place
it on fighting games (yea , speed control) , I'm not sure it would look
nice on your stuff.

See ya.

Erico Patricio Monteiro

FIGHT GAME DEVELOPMENT AT : http://www.angelfire.com/ak/gamecreation/

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To the one known as Rune,
> On 23-Jun-97, Keith Hill wrote:
> >Yeah, good point.  Now, if I'm stripping out every unnecessary bit of code
> >to help the slower machines, how can I get it running sensibly on faster
> >machines without slowing it down too much ??
> To solve the problem you could check the speed of the machine in the beginning
> of the game and according to this value change the speed of the monsters.
> On the other hand; this would still not make the game run the same speed on
> all computers. I guess the best would be if you could make the main game loop
> (where is the monsters, the hero?) run exactly 50fps on any computer and then
> make the slow operations (drawing onto the screen, I presume) run in less than
> this according to the speed of the computer. Get it?
 
Hmmm.  This will screw up the timings with the way its written.  I'm
currently expecting it to run at 25fps or 16 when firing, on my machine, but
I'll be able to test it on a faster machine when I eventually get paid.  

> Has anybody else solved this problem in a better way?

I can see myself writing two main control routines..  One for any machine
that can do >25fps.  LET ME KNOW if your machine can manage 50fps, and the
setup you're using, and I'll patch it into the fast routine.  I suppose I
could just slow it down...

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From: "Rune J. Keller" <keller@vip.cybercity.dk>
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How about a name for the AMOS List Games Production Teams?! It's just that
"AMOS List Game Productions Proudly Presents..." sounds pretty dull, eh? Any
ideas?
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On 24-Jun-97, Rune J. Keller wrote:


>A couple of my friends from school run a PC-network where
>they're usually playing a game like Quake. Now, one of them has a
>P-75 and run the game with about 15fps. Another has a P-200MMX
>and can easily run 30fps. However the game itself runs with the
>same speed on both computers...

   Actually, in a case like this where you have a VERY fast machine
   linked with a slow machine, the processing is sometimes divided
   up between the two (or more) machines based on their speed.

   So, the P200MMX machine may be processing 80% of all the
   games control-code and passing the processed data to the P75
   machine which is spending the majority of it's time retrieving
   that data and refreshing the display...

   Obviously, you need a local-link between the machines as using
   this over the Internet would be a just a bit slow... HA!HA!


>To solve the problem you could check the speed of the machine
>in the beginning of the game and according to this value change
>the speed of the monsters.

   You could double the animation frames for every object 
   targeting the fast machines from the start.

   If the machine is slow, set the anim-step to 2 and double the
   x/y velocities of every object.

   This would effectively make the game run the same speed. The
   difference being that the 50fps version would be twice as
   smooth due to the doubling of the number of anim-frames...

   Or, if you wanted the easy way you could just duplicate each of
   the current frames, so DRAGONHEADFACINGLEFT elements (0)&(1)
   both equal the same image. Again, simply adjust the ANIMSTEP
   at the start based on CPU power...

>Has anybody else solved this problem in a better way?

   I don't know if I'd say it's better, but the EASY way is just to place
   a little timer check in your main-loop:

   Repeat

      Timer=0       : Rem  Simply reset the Timer at start of loop...

      Bob Clear
      DO_ALL_THE_MAGIC
      Bob Draw

      Repeat : Until Timer : Rem Make sure at least 1 Vbl has passed...

      Screen Swap : Wait Vbl

   Until STAGEOVER


   That's fast and easy. The game can't run faster than 25/30fps
   and it doesn't slow-down the underpowered machines.

   This is the method I will be using in the Shooter-stage so the final
   version will run at 25/30 fps on all machines (except stock A500
   that is)...

   Speaking of the Shooter-stage, I sent the new demo to Mr. G, so
   it should be on the web-page by now.

   
   Any of you guys using 50MHz Amigas, PLEASE let me know how the
   demo performs on your machines.
      
   Should easily hit 50/60 fps, but I'd like to be sure...



      Take care,

         Garfield





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On 25-Jun-97, Rune J. Keller wrote:
>How about a name for the AMOS List Games Production Teams?! It's just that
>"AMOS List Game Productions Proudly Presents..." sounds pretty dull, eh? Any
>ideas?

I think an amalgum of our own software `houses' plus the names of people who
haven't got one... Like:

An epic adventure,
Created by,
Falcon Software,
Mushroom PD,
Parrottsoft,
(etc)
In assosciation with,
Rune J. Keller
(etc)

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From: Eric Hyland <a007193t@bc.seflin.org>
Subject: Re: HardDrive crash
To: Garfield Benjamin <gbenjam@ix.netcom.com>
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On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Garfield Benjamin wrote:

>       To ALL:
>  
>       Sorry for not replying to any e-mails (I'm checking my mail after
>       I send this message) over the last couple of days...
> 
>       I actually have a CD32 with SX-1 expansion module and it is
>       VERY erratic.
> 
>       Sunday night, I finished the second ShooterDemo, but before I
>       could archive it and send it to Mr. G, the SX-1 decided it was
>       time to crash my harddrive!!!!
[SNIP]       
>          Garfield

Hello: Garfield

Although you will probably enjoy the faster speed of the SX32Pro 50 
the problem you are having will most likely happen again as it is 
most likely do to the contacts between the CD32 and the SX1 being
corroded. You need to clean off the corrosion, and polish the contacts
to prevent recorroding.

    Does any one now if their is going to be a PPC SX32Pro 603e 200?


Eric Hyland
a007193t@bc.seflin.org



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From: Eric Hyland <a007193t@bc.seflin.org>
Subject: Re: PAL/NTSC
To: Andrew Kellett <mushypd@redrose.net>
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On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Andrew Kellett wrote:

[SNIP]
> 
> Its not just true PAL screens I want. Im using NTSC for my AMOS Mailinglist
> server screens, and when a screen of 200 high is opened on a PAL screen, it
> leaves a big bar at the bottom. I just want to change the Hz of the screen
> to that of an NTSC screen, so this gap is removed and the image stretched.
> 
> Mush

Hello: Mush

I don't think PAL people are going to like you switching their systems
to NTSC. Why don't you just use NTSC overscan, and recenter it for PAL
users.

Eric Hyland
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On 25-Jun-97, Laurie Curwood wrote:
>On 25-Jun-97, Rune J. Keller wrote:
>>How about a name for the AMOS List Games Production Teams?! It's just that
>>"AMOS List Game Productions Proudly Presents..." sounds pretty dull, eh? Any
>>ideas?

>I think an amalgum of our own software `houses' plus the names of people who
>haven't got one... Like:

>An epic adventure,
>Created by,
>Falcon Software,
>Mushroom PD,
>Parrottsoft,
>(etc)
>In assosciation with,
>Rune J. Keller
>(etc)

>Every line is a seperate screen, big and centered, fading in/out.

This was just the situation I wanted to avoid... It doesn't sound that
professional to me!

-- 
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To the one known as Garfield,
> >To solve the problem you could check the speed of the machine
> >in the beginning of the game and according to this value change
> >the speed of the monsters.
>    You could double the animation frames for every object 
>    targeting the fast machines from the start. 
>    If the machine is slow, set the anim-step to 2 and double the
>    x/y velocities of every object.

Hmmmmm...  This might actually work.  ..and wouldn't reduce efficiancy on
either machine.

>    This would effectively make the game run the same speed. The
>    difference being that the 50fps version would be twice as
>    smooth due to the doubling of the number of anim-frames...

Perhaps this section could be put in the installer.  
	Standard/Super Smooth.

>    Or, if you wanted the easy way you could just duplicate each of
>    the current frames, so DRAGONHEADFACINGLEFT elements (0)&(1)
>    both equal the same image. Again, simply adjust the ANIMSTEP
>    at the start based on CPU power...

This would be a hundred times simpler.  It's called
	if 68060
		wait vbl
	end if

but that slows things down a bit on slower machines.  Ah well, maybe it's
all for the best.

> >Has anybody else solved this problem in a better way?
>    I don't know if I'd say it's better, but the EASY way is just to place
>    a little timer check in your main-loop:
>    This is the method I will be using in the Shooter-stage so the final
>    version will run at 25/30 fps on all machines (except stock A500
>    that is)...

Anyone still using one ?
 
>    Any of you guys using 50MHz Amigas, PLEASE let me know how the
>    demo performs on your machines.
>    Should easily hit 50/60 fps, but I'd like to be sure...

Also, anyone with 68030/040/whatever isn't a 68020, please give speed
feedback on all sections !!


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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
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On 24-Jun-97, tecnopro@dglnet.com.br wrote:
>explain the project to me? I can do a few 2d or 3d
>animations for it.

Cap'n Bubba And The Nasty Alien Menace is a multiple stage game. There is a
storyline that needs pics or anims between each level. We are still getting
graphics and such together, and we are waiting for demos from people.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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> From: Eric Hyland <a007193t@bc.seflin.org>

> Hello: Mush

> I don't think PAL people are going to like you switching their
> systems
> to NTSC. Why don't you just use NTSC overscan, and recenter it
> for PAL users.

The best method I've seen is the tiny proggy called "Mode Switch", an icon you
can place in a workbench window, and clicking it switches you back and forth
between PAL & NTSC.

-Chris.

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Using an Asm bank (compiled with Devpac III) AMOSPro unfailingly crashes
whenever it's `Called'. I remember (in the distant past) someone saying you
had to hex edit bits out of the front of the file, but unfortunately my 2Gb HD
is not large enough to store all this AMOS Mail (well, it probably is, but the
processor isn't fast enough to sort through 2000 messages) so it's gone. Will
someone be kind enough to point me in the right direction? I am using asm
banks as it's an excellent way to make applications `modular'. My map editor
can load/save ANY file format as long as it's module is in the `Modules'
directory: a great way to code!

(BTW There are no problems in the actual code, it's PC relative and clean. I
have tried it with a number of routines in fact. Even a one line RTS does not
work)


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From: "Robert W. Benjamin" <sosbbs.com@mail1.access.digex.net>
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To everyone who is working on the Captain Bubba game...
If you need some sound effects, screams, shots, explosions,
etc... E-Mail me and enclose your Snail-mail address, and
let me know what type sounds you want, and i'l send you a
floppy asap, with the sounds on it.
This can be my part on the game, my AMOS coding sucks!
I have a nice bunch of sound effects, all 10,000 bytes or
smaller.

Robert W. Benjamin
rwbenjamin@sosbbs.com

AMIGA 600-7mhz -2 megs RAM

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Robert W. Benjamin accidentaly sent this to my address on 25-Jun-97 instead of
the trash drawer:
> To everyone who is working on the Captain Bubba game...
> If you need some sound effects, screams, shots, explosions,
> etc... E-Mail me and enclose your Snail-mail address, and
> let me know what type sounds you want, and i'l send you a
> floppy asap, with the sounds on it.
> This can be my part on the game, my AMOS coding sucks!
> I have a nice bunch of sound effects, all 10,000 bytes or
> smaller.

I also have a large collection, well over 10 floppies. these can be gotten
from my FTP site at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org

Its a site which is only active when im online, so if you cant get through
the first time, then please keep trying. If you go to
http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk/sam.htm you will find a complete listing of
all the different categories which I have, and can arrange to have them
emailed to you from the page.

Mush

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Well I've just rejoined this list again (for the third time), I haven't done
much programming lately, but I do have a couple of projects that I have been
working on.
Anways I have a problem, one of my hard drives crashed the other day, and in
the course of re-installing everything I got an error on my AmosPro Compiler
disk(I haven't used it in almost two years) anyways, the error is in the
Compiler Shell program.

I was wondering if someone could help me out, by e-mailing me the Shell
program only.  All other files on the disk appear to be ok, so thats the only
file I need.

By the way, is it at all possible to open an interlace screen in AmosPro under
3.1? has anybody found a fix for this problem?

If someone could help me with my compiler problem I'd really appreciate it.
 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Cori Skagen

cskagen@ican.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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About My previous Message (Re: HELP!)

For those how may not of understood exactly what I wanted, all I need is the
file "Amos_Compiler.Amos".

If someone could send me this file I would appreciate it.

Thanks.

 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Cori Skagen

cskagen@ican.net
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>To the one known as Garfield,
>>       I actually have a CD32 with SX-1 expansion module and it is
>>       VERY erratic.

>Never had any trouble with mine..
>Ouch.  Sure it was the SX-1 ??  

   Yes, it was the SX-1. Switching everything (modem, printer, 
   hardrive, etc.) over to my brother's SX-1 expansion solved the
   problem. For now, anyway...

   You are fortunate that you have not experienced any trouble
   with your SX-1. Generally speaking, the more you have hooked
   up to the SX-1, the more erratic it becomes. Somehow, you seem
   to have "lucked-out"!!




>> ATTENTION PLEASE!!
   I planned on taking the five minutes (which it should have)
   required to add collision-checking between Bubba and the
   Enemies/Enemies' shots.

   Apparently, Francois neglected to take the screen offset into
   consideration when performing Sprite to Bob collision-checking
   as Bubba (the only sprite) cannot be hit by any of the bobs!!


   I know, another famous AMOS bug, right?!

   
   Does anyone have any way to get around this so I can use the 
   'SpriteBob Col( )' function?


   I'm not going to mess around days on this as it should only take 
   five minutes.


   If it there is no "fast-fix", I will make my own collision-detection
   routine.

   I'm sure I'll need to drop down to Assembler for this, any problems
   with that Mr. G? I'll store it either in a bank or array (storing the
   code in an array would make for an interesting source haha)...
   
   
      Take care,

         Garfield



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From: Garfield Benjamin <gbenjam@ix.netcom.com>
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On 26-Jun-97, Mr. Giark wrote:


>Garfield Benjamin - Space Attack seems to be progressing, except
>Cap'n shooting back?

   I have some more things to do before I add Bubba's firing.

   Once the entire first phase is complete as far as enemies, stage
   background gfx, etc, then I will add Bubba's firing, power-ups,
   etc.

   I could add it now, but I have a method to my madness - I like to
   focus on one part until it's complete...

   Besides, if I added firing now, you could actually play Bubba and
   I'd rather save that for last so the Shooter goes from demo to
   game in one update!!


   
>I have sent Mr. G an update demo...
   
  Just download "shooterupdate2b.lha" and, after dearchiving the
  file, drag-copy the "ShooterUpdate2b" executable into the
  "ShooterDemo2inside!!" drawer. Now you can run the updated
  version...

  What? You don't have the "ShooterDemo2inside" drawer!! That 
  was included in the "shooterdemo2.lha" archive. 

 
  The update-demo has been fine-tuned a bit in general and I have
  the collision-detection routines implemented for Bubba (sprite)
  and the enemies and their shots (Bobs).

  The routines are in BASIC currently, but they are very fast and do
  a reasonably good-job as I think you'll agree...



   It looks like my previous message, inquiring about the SpriteBob
   Col( ) fix, hasn't arrived on the list, yet.

   Anyway, I already have the routines completed now..

   
      Take care,

         Garfield

 


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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
To: AMOS List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:28:09 -0500
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On 25-Jun-97, Michael Fegan wrote:
>You need a punchy team name (perhaps even 
>just the letters ALG incorporated into a cool logo)

That's the plan.

>Leave all that info for the credits at the end 

Actually, I think the credits will roll after some time goes by and no
selection is made. Obviously, any action by the user will abort them.
I'd do up an intro bit, but I'm in the final stages of my novel and don't have
any time for programming until next week some time.

>to Giark (Mr. to me) for his great job in orchestrating everything so well. 

It's been a struggle, but this one will actually get finished, says I.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
                                           joehick@golden.net
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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
To: AMOS List <amos-list@access.digex.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:30:30 -0500
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On 25-Jun-97, Garfield Benjamin wrote:
>   BTW- how does the ShooterDemo2 perform on your system?

Not super fast, but definitely fast enough. 

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
                                           joehick@golden.net
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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:41:59 -0500
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Remember, to get a look at all the stuff, you need to send mail directly to
me, requesting the url. I keep a list of all the users who have access to the
game page.

Garfield Benjamin - Space Attack seems to be progressing, except Cap'n
shooting back?

Keith Hill - Castle Assault stage goes well, seems done except for some
graphics and sound?

Andrew Hawkins - Combat stage may be stalled, all we've seen is a couple
stills. Demo soon?

Adam Parrott - Dungeon stage has not materialized as of yet. Will it be
happening?

James Brown - Secret Level hasn't shown up. Demo please?

Evert-Jan Slypen - More music coming?

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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From: "Gunvor Karlsson" <gunvor.karlsson@swipnet.se>
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Subject: GFX for the C&C listgame?
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:52:11 +0200
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Hello everbody!
My name is Martin Karlsson but my friends call me Bobba. I joined this list
last week when I found it on the Mush-site. Laurie: I saw that you planing
for a C&C type of game and would like to join the team, if thats ok? I have
some experience of coding but is ordinary an gfx-artist. If you would like
to get a better look of my work check out my Amos-game on this site:
http://www-pp.hogia.net/bobbas/heroes.html

/Bobba


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From: "Martin Karlsson" <bobba@mailbox.hogia.net>
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Here is my right adress! There was some mixup last time... But that about
the GFX for the C&C game was true ;-)
bobba@mailbox.hogia.net
http://www-pp.hogia.net/bobbas/heroes.html

/Bobba


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	Garfiled,
	It's probly too late in developement for this but I've always done
my collision detection with colors, eg set aside seperate colors for
everything, bkgrd, character, baddies, ect. , it's faster and alot more
reliable in my humble opinion as they say..  BTW thanks for posting your
Sx-1 troubles, I've been offered a Cd32 and one pretty cheap but I take it
they're to be avoided like the plague.

			Thanks,
				Scott Matott sXe


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From: "Templeton, Jeremy" <J.Templeton@cosgrove.tased.edu.au>
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Subject: My C&C clone - replies
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:10:31 +1000
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I'll reply to all writers here:

Carl D.  -  That  sounds like an alright idea, it would effectivly make
the one game for both computers.  I am completely hopeless at graphics
though, so we'll need someone to do them.

James B. -  I've logged onto LaH and checked my mail, but I don't now if
I  replied to yours because the modem hung up on me. 

Evert-Jan S.  -  Thanks!  The music style should be of a fantasy style,
with atmospheric mods and sort of chaotic ones for the two teams.  Refer
down for more game info.

Ken A. -  64 colour lowres.


Game info:
	The game is a involved real-time C&C clone set in a fantasy world.
	There are two races to pick from-  The High Elves (Good Guys)  
					  The Dark Elves (Bad Guys)

	There are various other races scattered around the world (orcs, human,
dwarves etc.) who all have different alignments and you can form
alliances and declare war on the various other races, who will be
constantly building their empires,  as soon as you form a an full
alliance with a race (or part of, if they have various clans, tribes,
etc.) they come inder your control.  Each race has a detailed background
and so on.  
Sounds good, doesn't it?

Any help will be appreciated.

Seeya later.

	- J. Templeton

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Robert Ofarrell Bankston accidentaly sent this to my address on 26-Jun-97
instead of the trash drawer:

> 2 quick questions:

> 1.  Are you offering these sounds for the list game/s only or are they free
>     for any software use?

Free to anyone in the whole wide world who wants them

> 2.  I tried to ftp to your site (ftp and ncftp from my shell account) but
>     both times I got a connection refused error.  Any idea why?

Like i explained in the first one, the site is only active when im online,
and DynDNS sometimes hangs with the last IP address when i crash. Keep
trying, mainly between 8 and 4pm USA time.

Mush

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I am working on an AMOS project, a simple shooter for the AMIGA Public
Domain.
While coding the game, I have run into a problem:
     I have a scene where an enemy slides up and comes into view in a window
     of a building. The enemy is on the screen all the time, but I have set
it's
      'BOB LIMIT' to the size of the window, so the only time you see the
enemy
      is when it slides up into the 'BOB LIMIT' view area.
      
      The problem is, if i want another 'BOB' to detect a collision with
the 'BOB'
       in the window, it detects a collision with the 'BOB' even if it's
under the
       window (NOT IN THE 'BOB LIMIT' AREA). The 'BOB' does'nt even have
       to be visible on the screen (IN THE 'BOB LIMIT' AREA), to detect a 
       collision.

Why does it detect a collision, with a part that's not being drawed on the
screen?
is it because collisions are based on the X and Y positions? Or because AMOS
looks at the size of the 'BOB' images in the .abk 'BOB' bank to check for
collisions?

Robert W. Benjamin
rwbenjamin@sosbbs.com

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:56:34 +0100
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On 27-Jun-97, Templeton, Jeremy wrote:

>Game info:
>The game is a involved real-time C&C clone set in a fantasy world.
>There are two races to pick from-  The High Elves (Good Guys)  
>  The Dark Elves (Bad Guys)

Would you like it to be Tolkienian, and happen in ME (I'm not sure about
copyright), or to happen in some new world?

>There are various other races scattered around the world (orcs, human,
>dwarves etc.) who all have different alignments and you can form
>alliances and declare war on the various other races, who will be
>constantly building their empires,  as soon as you form a an full
>alliance with a race (or part of, if they have various clans, tribes,
>etc.) they come inder your control.  Each race has a detailed background
>and so on.  
>Sounds good, doesn't it?

Are you telling that game will have two parts, like N&S: one where you would
make politics, move troops, trade etc. and other (battles, sieges etc.) which
would be C&C strategy?

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Here is another problem maybe someone can help me with?

On a non-scrolling, 32 color, 320 x 200 NTSC screen, I have changed
the mouse pointer into a pencil shape image I made, using the code below:
    
           Hide  
          Sprite 0,X Hard(361),Y Hard(100),35 : rem 35 is the image # for
the pencil shape
          Channel 0 to Sprite 0
           Amal 0,"M:Let X=XM;Let Y=YM;Jump M;"
           Amal On 0

How do I detect a collision between the mouse pointer (sprite 0) and a bob,
For example, Bob 5 ?

I have tried the following:
    
         C=Spritebob Col(0,5 To 5)
          If C=-1
                End
          End If

It does'nt work!! Why?
I have even tried: Bobsprite Col...
                             Bob Col...
                             Sprite Col...
Nothing works when I want a collision between sprite 0 and a bob!!!!

If I change the sprite into a bob like this, it works:
                Bob 0,X Hard(360),Y Hard(100),35
                 Channel 0 To Bob 0
                  Amal 0,"M:Let X=XM'Let Y=YM;Jump M;"
                  AmalOn 0

This works fine for 'C=Bob col (0,5 to 5)

But how do you detect a collision between a sprite and a bob??

Robert W. Benjamin
rwbenjamin@sosbbs.com


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> reliable in my humble opinion as they say..  BTW thanks for posting your
> Sx-1 troubles, I've been offered a Cd32 and one pretty cheap but I take it
> they're to be avoided like the plague.

Ahem.  Never had any trouble with my CD32+SX1 in the time I've had it. 
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To the one known as Cori,

> By the way, is it at all possible to open an interlace screen in AmosPro under
> 3.1? has anybody found a fix for this problem?

This is one of the famous 'known bugs' of amos.

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If there is no direct approach to the solution, try this indirect technique:

You say a Bob to Bob collision is detected...well
You could define a BOB as 1 pixel and put it at the tip of the pencil-sprite image.
Of course, you'd have to duplicate your code for moving the pixel-BOB with the pencil-Sprite.

Just an Idea, Ken

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On 26-Jun-97, Scott Douglas Matott wrote:
>Sx-1 troubles, I've been offered a Cd32 and one pretty cheap but I take it
>they're to be avoided like the plague.

A friend of mine has a cd32/sx1 combination hooked to a modem, printer,
keyboard, etc. with 800MB HD in it and 8 Megs ram. He hasn't had any problems
and he uses it for internet. He's had it foru almost 2 years and no problems
at all.

Well met and godspeed,
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I have just joined the AMOS mailing list, and I've got a question:
Is there any way of using AGA graphics in AMOS Pro? An extension or
something ?

Almighty Bob / SxT
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I'm gonna try to reproduce the problem, so I'll get back to you.

"CAH-TRIDGES!!!" -Tucco,   The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly 
-----Original Message-----
From:	Robert W. Benjamin [SMTP:sosbbs.com@mail1.access.digex.net]
Sent:	Friday, June 27, 1997 1:45 AM
To:	Amos List
Subject:	The Unseen Bob

I am working on an AMOS project, a simple shooter for the AMIGA Public
Domain.
While coding the game, I have run into a problem:
     I have a scene where an enemy slides up and comes into view in a window
     of a building. The enemy is on the screen all the time, but I have set
it's
      'BOB LIMIT' to the size of the window, so the only time you see the
enemy
      is when it slides up into the 'BOB LIMIT' view area.
      
      The problem is, if i want another 'BOB' to detect a collision with
the 'BOB'
       in the window, it detects a collision with the 'BOB' even if it's
under the
       window (NOT IN THE 'BOB LIMIT' AREA). The 'BOB' does'nt even have
       to be visible on the screen (IN THE 'BOB LIMIT' AREA), to detect a 
       collision.

Why does it detect a collision, with a part that's not being drawed on the
screen?
is it because collisions are based on the X and Y positions? Or because AMOS
looks at the size of the 'BOB' images in the .abk 'BOB' bank to check for
collisions?

Robert W. Benjamin
rwbenjamin@sosbbs.com


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Hail, Almighty Bob, Welcome. I discovered the list 4 weeks ago.
It's not to shabby, I think there are about 10 people colaborating
on one project: Capt Bubba, right now.  There are plenty more
here that are trying to get others to colaborate or just help out
with their own projects.  The dude who runs the list is Giark,
Mr. Giark To Us, I think.  Some people code, while others donate
graphics and/or sound/FX.  Capt Bubba is the official list game.
I suppose one must wait their turn if they want their idea or demo
to become official.  Send your proposal/demo directly to Mr. Giark.
Do Not make the 'twit'ting mistake of e-mailing a demo to the list,
like I did.  Pissed off some people who pay for their e-mail/downloads
by the Kilobyte.  Anyway thats all I've gathered in 4 weeks.  You 
can always e-mail Mr.Giark for fast, friendly responses to those nagging
questions.  C-ya round the list. Ken
  
"I'll make your grandmother suck raw eggs" ,Stinky Wizzleteeth from 'Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy'
 from Stimpy's Invention.
-----Original Message-----
From:	Almighty Bob [SMTP:sxt@passagen.se]
Sent:	Friday, June 27, 1997 1:27 PM
To:	amos-list@access.digex.net
Subject:	AGA Gfx?

I have just joined the AMOS mailing list, and I've got a question:
Is there any way of using AGA graphics in AMOS Pro? An extension or
something ?

Almighty Bob / SxT
sxt@hem1.passagen.se
hem1.passagen.se/sxt



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On 27-Jun-97 13:26:52 Almighty Bob wrote something about AGA Gfx?.

>I have just joined the AMOS mailing list, and I've got a question:
>Is there any way of using AGA graphics in AMOS Pro? An extension or
>something ?

Oh dear, here we go again :)

There is an AGA extension in development which will let you do just that;
use AGA graphics (as well as other neat things).

That's all I'll say for now, because everytime I mention it people get more
impatient, and the next thing you'll know I'll find burning crosses in my
yard and a dead animal nailed to my front door.

It's coming people. Honest.

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Hello!

I remember someone asking for a expression evaluator a while ago. I've
just written a routine to do it and included it with this email.

This routine is free to use in any program, but please give me credit.

Bye ____________________________________________________
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From: Ken Axsom <kaxsom@comsol.tddc.net>
To: "'Robert W. Benjamin'" <sosbbs.com@mail1.access.digex.net>
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Robert,  looks like you'll have to use a Collision / Zone combo 
to detect a collision within a Limit Bob defined area. Try This:

Ink 3 : Bar 0,0 To 20,20
Reserve Zone 1
Get Bob 1,0,0 To 20,20
Box 0,50 To 64,90
Wait Vbl
Limit Bob 1,0,50 To 64,90
Set Zone 1,0,50 To 64,90
Do 
   X=X Screen(X Mouse) : Y=Y Screen(Y Mouse)
   Bob 2,X,Y,1
   Wait Vbl
   If Zone(X,Y)
      If Bob Col(2)
         Boom
      End If
   End If
Loop

-----Original Message-----
From:	Robert W. Benjamin [SMTP:sosbbs.com@mail1.access.digex.net]
Sent:	Friday, June 27, 1997 1:45 AM
To:	Amos List
Subject:	The Unseen Bob

I am working on an AMOS project, a simple shooter for the AMIGA Public
Domain.
While coding the game, I have run into a problem:
     I have a scene where an enemy slides up and comes into view in a window
     of a building. The enemy is on the screen all the time, but I have set
it's
      'BOB LIMIT' to the size of the window, so the only time you see the
enemy
      is when it slides up into the 'BOB LIMIT' view area.
      
      The problem is, if i want another 'BOB' to detect a collision with
the 'BOB'
       in the window, it detects a collision with the 'BOB' even if it's
under the
       window (NOT IN THE 'BOB LIMIT' AREA). The 'BOB' does'nt even have
       to be visible on the screen (IN THE 'BOB LIMIT' AREA), to detect a 
       collision.

Why does it detect a collision, with a part that's not being drawed on the
screen?
is it because collisions are based on the X and Y positions? Or because AMOS
looks at the size of the 'BOB' images in the .abk 'BOB' bank to check for
collisions?

Robert W. Benjamin
rwbenjamin@sosbbs.com


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From: "Mr. Giark To You" <joehick@golden.net>
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:02:37 -0500
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On 30-Jun-97, Keith Hill wrote:
>How much chip mem do I get to use 

Try to keep it at 500k or under.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Giark
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That's what I needed!
Thanks for all your help Ken...

Robert W. Benjamin
rwbenjamin@sosbbs.com

----------
No ProbLem-o,  one day I might need your help. Ken.

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To: Laurie Curwood <falcons@ihug.co.nz>,
        "Rune J. Keller" <keller@vip.cybercity.dk>
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:51:26 -0500
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Laurie Curwood accidentaly sent this to my address on 24-Jun-97 instead of the
trash drawer:
> On 25-Jun-97, Rune J. Keller wrote:
> >How about a name for the AMOS List Games Production Teams?! It's just that
> >"AMOS List Game Productions Proudly Presents..." sounds pretty dull, eh?
Any
> >ideas?

> I think an amalgum of our own software `houses' plus the names of people who
> haven't got one... Like:

> An epic adventure,
> Created by,
> Falcon Software,
> Mushroom PD,
> Parrottsoft,
> (etc)
> In assosciation with,
> Rune J. Keller
> (etc)

> Every line is a seperate screen, big and centered, fading in/out.

Does this mean that each of the members can create a GFX logo of their own
for this fade, with a limited palette and size, or are we to use a singular
font type?

Mush

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