#amiga IRC Log:
Even more reactions
This is an edited log file from the #amiga IRC channel which
is the usual hangout for Amiga dudes on IRC. Most folks are also following
#woa98, and everyone gives their reactions.
Erik Elgersma,
after editing way too many logs, really is starting to see trees.
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Session Start: Sat May 16 13:21:30 1998
| Tijger> rbn^gts: I don't care about money (ahum) I just want me amiga! |
| obscure> re all |
| rbn^gts> NukeAI: I want an NATIVE OS with new apps - only what is NECESSARY should be emulated. |
| rbn^gts> bladez: I belive that the bridge is a PCI board for PCs, but not exactly the same as Siamese. |
| obscure> so...question of the day....what`s the new deal? |
| Gizmo-PPC> so all in all PowerUP was a wastte of time and money.. |
| Matthijs> bladez: But it can't be used in existing PC's... |
| obscure> sheeyit...custom h/w? |
| _bladez_> rbn: ahh well ... siamese are developing such a beast ... maybe AI are in there with siamese systems developing this the bridge card? |
| Tijger> Gizmo-PPC: I'm afraid so, glad I hadn't Powered-UP |
| _bladez_> tiger: same here and i was oh so close :) |
| Matthijs> Just 2 years waiting for OS5.0. I can live that long with my 68060 |
| obscure> sheeyit...custom h/w? |
| Tijger> _bladez: you don't want to know how close I was (in front of the mailbox!) (damn, now you know!) |
| Gizmo-PPC> tijer I could´t afford it yet.. but this makes it even worse.. maybe I´ll get a boxer but .. let´wait again .. horrible.. |
| _bladez_> siamese systems went from serial to ethernet to tcp/ip and now PCI |
| Darklite> hello all, ben a long time I IRC'ed |
| Darklite> Very good news on the Amiga front, not? |
| amidude> who's Womble over on #woa98? |
| Matthijs> Just 2 years waiting for OS5.0. I can live that long with my 68060 |
| Gizmo-PPC> ben hut.. |
| Zonkk> woble = Ben Hutchings (damn, now you know!) |
| _bladez_> i can see why AI have taken this path ... |
| Zonkk> dunno - i know that the ICOA + Index + Joe Torre like the idea of programmable chips |
| hedgie> #woa98 |
| Randall> is ben from cu or af? |
| hedgie> d'oh |
| Randall> af? |
| _bladez_> you imagine the sort of money is invested in x86 boxes!? |
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| Darklite> ZOnk: yes, The 1000$ Amiga sounds very good too !!! |
| _bladez_> i think its easier to get people to convert to the amiga this way ... as much as we don't like the idea of having to use x86 hardware. |
| Zonkk> I wonder what this new "super-chip" is. |
| iXXY^tRSi> Bye |
| Darklite> but, the x86 :-( |
| Darklite> It would be very nice if x86 Amiga soft would run on PPC and vice-versa |
| Gizmo-PPC> still cannot believe they´re doing this...going x86 .. tss |
| Tijger> I'm just afraid that in all of this, we AMIGA diehards are not, repeat not, very, very pleased with having to buy some kind of Wintel-machine to do what we have been doing the last 2-3 years... waiting more |
| Darklite> .... x86 is not very good, bvut it is VERY CHEAP, it's a major selling point..... |
| Tijger> and then buying again to keep up |
| EDoc> how could one develop for this "super-chip" when it's not on the board? |
| Moloch> Amiga is growing up, getting with the flow. Time for the users to grow up now. |
| Gizmo-PPC> what super chip ?? CPUZ or what?? |
| Silica> Gizmo-PPC: as i undertood, it's NOT x86 - it'll be intels NEW processor. |
| Darklite> I heard something of integration of Netscape in AOS, any news on this ? |
| obscure> silica: Merced? |
| AAGazette> Michael Burak, Editor "australian Amiga Gazette" I would like to know if the Amiga users at the show feel betrayed by AmigaInc with their announcement. |
| Silica> yep |
| _bladez_> tiger: you'll still be able to develop apps for the classic Amiga (what a term :)) and they should still run on the bridged amiga. |
| obscure> Darklite: from the saku speech? |
| Seq-X> Hi! |
| Tijger> Moloch: Igeass you're right, i don't have to like it though |
| Darklite> obscure ? |
| Kunitoki> The new 'SuperChip' is completely new |
| obscure> i don`t get this..... |
| _bladez_> gimzo: yeah there was some mention of it ... not sure if that is the merced chip though :( |
| Scorpion> Hi #? |
| Gizmo-PPC> ohh f*ck merced.. an alpha kernel in an almost completly compatible x86 core.. |
| Zonkk> Well, I hope that the Amiga-bridge card (Inside Out maybe) will be available to end users seperately |
| Silica> and ´intel architecture' could mean PCI - which is surely welcome :) |
| Gizmo-PPC> pure crap again.. |
| _bladez_> kun: ahh sort .. they are going totally radical .. wicked. |
| Tijger> _bladez_: I'm no developer, but you're right of course, but for how long.... |
| Kunitoki> AAGazette: Only users at the show can comment? |
| Scorpion> Hi #? |
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| Silica> Darklite: yep |
| _bladez_> tiger: all i can this bridge thing better be damn well like cheap !! :) |
| Gizmo-PPC> ok PCI AGP welcome but no intel ( or compatible) Proz , I´d like PPC.. |
| Silica> think of the hw out there... |
| _bladez_> so now it is going to be imperative that developers code to OS guidelines!! |
| Silica> hannu: hei! |
| Darklite> Wouldn't it be possible to write an Amiga OS for both x86 and PPC, wich can run same programs (no conversions needed ) ? |
| Dave> bladez: difficult if there is no documentation |
| Silica> Darklite: no |
| Darklite> PPC has a much better future too ! |
| Dave> hello dos and rkrm's being separate |
| Gizmo-PPC> and even for PCI there are better chipsets than intel.. be it SIS or ALI.. |
| Dave> hello rkrm's being out of print for aaages |
| Darklite> Silica: it would be like JAVA then, thus slow, not ? |
| _bladez_> dave: well thy're gonna have to start coughing up ... and make it freely available on the net to anyone not just registered developers. |
| Moloch> Womble just signed off with "Demo timeout |
| Moloch> buhaha |
| Amico> How would I be able to upgrade to AmigaOS 4 then ? |
| Dave> bladez: right on |
| Silica> OS must translate the upper layers to HW through so called HAL.. it takes time indeed |
| Zonkk> ah so the Bridge board IS the Inside Out |
| * hedgie thinks it would have been a good idea to get registered versions of AmIRC at the show |
| obscure> Silica: a HAL would be a good idea..ICOA`s been looking at that for a while |
| obscure> hedgie: :-) |
| Amico> I have 2 systems 1: A1200, Blizzard 1230 50Mhz MMU, 10Mb RAM, 260Mb HD, 12x Pioneer CD-ROM 2: Amiga 4000 060 75Mhz/PPC604e 233Mhz.... |
| Dave> what's HAL? |
| _bladez_> zonkk: AFAIK that is what it boils down ... though a PCI version it. |
| Silica> Hardware Abstraction Layer |
| Darklite> Yes, Dave Haynie has been talking about a HAL on the team amiga mailing list... |
| Gizmo-PPC> amico 060 at 75 mhz ?? how that ?? |
| Amico> Gizmo: Having an very good cooler, its possible.... |
| Tijger> Dave: Hardware Abstraction Layer ... a way to run portable code trough some kind of bleeding fast emulator |
| Darklite> BTW, is the Team amiga mailing list still out there ? |
| _bladez_> dark: wicked ... i think that is the other key to making something like this work. |
| Gizmo-PPC> coooool :) |
| * obscure really wishes he had been at WoA |
| Silica> i think HAL is inevitable in porable OS.. and a great idea in itself |
| obscure> so, right, using another kernel will give us memory protection? |
| _bladez_> well considering how long the amiga was out of the scene ... something radically had to be done .. |