Conference with Whitley Strieber
( Compuserve, New Age Forum, 6/19/94 )
Streiber Conference Transcript (CIS)
*********** New Age+ Forum 19-Jun-94 18:56
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Pete (Moderator): Welcome Whitley Strieber, author of Communion,
| Transformation and now... Beyond Communion!
| Whitley, would you like to say a few words of intro
| here? ga
Whitley | Yes. It's a first for me, so bear with me if I screw up the
| protocols.
| Now I'm not locked up. GA
Pete (Moderator): The question we are discussing tonight is: Are
| the visitors ET or from other dimensions or parallel
| worlds.
Whitley | Are the visitors physical or from another reality?
| That's the conference question. But the answer seems to
| lie along a broad spectrum. I've had experiences that appear
| to be entirely physical, all the way to totally out of this
| world things. GA
Llew A. Wykel: My experience with this is that the beings are both,
| physical and interdimensional.
Whitley | What I've wondered is if all the hyperphysical stuff could
| be special effects. If the experience isn't, basically,
| physical.
Llew A. Wykel: Using the interdimentional means as a traveling mode.
Whitley | Wormholes, you mean? A tremendous amount of energy
| would have to be involved, and a location probably well
| away from any physical objects, like planets...GA
Llew A. Wykel: Yes I think that the "physical" stuff is a form of
| "guising".
Bert | Whitley, some experiencers seem to encounter humans along
| with aliens....
| at least they appear to be human...
Whitley | I've got thousands of letters about that. Also, people
| encounter visitors with their own dead friends and
| relatives. ga
Bert | Have you ever encountered humans and in this connection have
| you...
Whitley | Yes. ga
Bert | ever seemed to have a military connection?ga
Whitley | A military connection? Uniforms--dark blue. Very stern but
| compassionate people. Not our military. But a sense of
| that.ga
Rilla/Sysop: I was wondering...
| Pete and I have discussed the possibility...
| that these "aliens" are not really from "outer space"...
| but rather from a different dimension...
| and travel interdimensionally...
| this feels right to me...
| what is YOUR opinion on this? GA
Whitley | It turned out that a relative of mine, recently deceased,
| was connected with MAJESTIC early on. He was the
| source of lots of the stuff in my book on the subject. He
| thought that they were entirely physical. But I don't
| agree. GA
Paul M. Hadeed: Do you think holograms are used to create these
| special effects. ga
Whitley | No idea about technology. If any. ga.
CCC | Joe McMoneagle down at the Monroe Inst...
| seems to think the ET's are us from the future. Any
| thoughts here? ga
Whitley | My feeling is that the mind is vastly more powerful than
| we suspect, and that by making constricting assumptions
| about its power, we have crippled ourselves. So, I doubt
| if the visitors use much technology. And from the
| future--I've certainly wondered, too.ga
Pete (Moderator): ga WS- On this idea of "special effects" Whitley,
| could you describe a recent example? ga
Whitley | Give me a moment to compose. ga
| I don't have a recent example from my own life. But a
| typical experience is seeing them come through a wall. ga
Llew A. Wykel: We have been working on the possibility that they are
| "us" in another dimension with a "free will"
| in that dimension not connected to ours here. GA
Whitley | Or us in the future. Ga
Alain/ASOP: OK.
| I alwasy thought that they could be within ...
| our universe but use interdimensional travel to...
| get here. I.e. not need wormholes to get here.
| Why do you think that is not possible? ga
Whitley | What would interdimensional travel without a wormhole
| be? ga
Alain/ASOP: The use of scalar technology indicates that quantum
| tunneling could be ...
| a real possibility. I.e. high gravity field could be
| localized. GA
Whitley | again, huge energy needs ga
Helen S./CHANNELING: I want to pursue Rilla's question a bit more...
Alain/ASOP: Nope! You should read about Bearden. ga
Helen S./CHANNELING: what if the interdimensional travel...
| were *within* our consciousness...
| rather than outside in a different...
| physical reality...
| what would the implications...
Helen S./CHANNELING: be of your study and work?...(second ques after)
| GA
Whitley | Ref Bearden pls.ga And I see Helen as being on
| something. I feel as if my mind is like a window for them,
| into our world.ga
Pete (Moderator): ga 2nd ? Helen
Helen S./CHANNELING: Yes...
| what would it mean if the "other"...
| were some "future version...
| of us...
| except more "dispassionate",...
| the kind of dispassion that comes from "creating
| worlds...
| and following their progress...
| as if the ultimate scientific approach...
| us taken to the extreme? GA
Whitley | We saw some people once who seemed to be from the
| future. They were translucent, looked drugged...and I
| wondered if a drug will be created that enables time
| travel. ga
Alain/ASOP: OK. To follow on on the scalar tech...
| Bearden believes that spacetime can be curved by
| opposing cancelling ... EM waves. The energy
| is still there but cannot be detected by...
| conventional means. Yet, it would squeeze into another
| dimension...
| Gravity forces are 10E42 weaker ....
| than EM forces so it should be much more easy to
| produce spacetime...
| curavture. some files are in lib 8 BEARD1.ZIP to
| BEARD5.zip. ga
Whitley | Will look at files. Thanx. I suspect that we filter out many
| sense perceptions. We know the future, to an extent.
| That's why there is such tension in the world, and such
| breathtaking denial. The signals coming back are not
| good, and we're scared.ga
PJ | If different brain wave states are different levels of
| resonance, and if all mass is simply
| trapped resonance, it seems logical to me that changing
| one's "brain wave state" (or state
| of consciousness) would put one at a "different frequency."
| If dimensions were... say, a
| range of frequency, this would allow us to access dimension
| by the willed control of
| personal brain waves. Make sense to you? GA
Whitley | I think that the brain is probably a quantum machine, and
| capable of many unsuspected capabilities. ga
Frank Paladino: Re the time-travel enabling drug idea...
| was that somthing you thought of at the *time* you ...
| saw these people (ie was it "suggested")...
| or was it a later explanation you thought of? ga
Whitley | We saw a kid on a bike, who disappeared before our
| eyes. And I thought then--he looked drugged. ga
Xanadu | Hi sorry I'm Late, WS could you please talk a bit about what
| you see happening in the next five years?ga
Whitley | Next 5 years, we will come to understand that we cannot
| escape our present environmental predicament without
| major suffering. ga
Llew A. Wykel: Our expierence with these beings began in 1983...
| We have been in constant contact.....
| they will allow some interaction on our part.....
| but it is limited to instruction and actions to be
| performed... have you been asked to accomplish anythig
| specific?
Whitley | Yes. Constant contact is getting more common. I've been
| doing that for a little over a year. And more of my letters
| mention it. Specifics have to do with personal
| surrender.ga
Bert | Whitley, do you have any thoughts/opinions about the
| ongoing....
| Schiff investigation thru the GAO? Do you think this will
| bear any fruit? ga
Whitley | Maybe. I've been tormented by so many diff. govt.
| agencies that there must be a hell of a thing going on. I
| mean, people have come to my house, have interviewd
| me, tested me physically, on and on. And I am just one
| guy, so there must be thousands of records to be found. GA
PJ | Once in a great while when they show up, the vibrations in
| the room (and in the head!) pick
| up to such a pace that there's actually NOISE -- eerily like
| the 40's sci fi flicks. (This
| helps the "I must be crazy" thoughts, eh. ) So I've
| been wondering whether sound /
| /light- which certainly can effect consciousness - could be
| the medium of transfer. This
| "physical" and "wormhole" stuff is either unnecessary, or
| unapparent. They've reached
| into me and my eyes were wide open - they weren't THERE at
| least partially physically. The typical
| UFO field paranoia hasn't cropped up with me; it's more
| a "religious" experience.
| When I accepted it, it got easier and (frankly) more fun.
| Do you have any experience with
| being able to "put yourself into that mode" (or some would
| say "summon") them? I've heard
| it can be done. Haven't been able to. What's your
| experience here? GA
Whitley | Sound is a critical factor. I think that the whole thing is
| controlled by sonic vibrations. ga
Don Kircher: ... WS Do you have a feel...
| for their purpose or plan ga
Whitley | I have seen them "stop the clock" in a big town using a
| sound like a gong that made me feel numb. As to plan, I
| think that we are their plan. The outcome of the human
| species. ga
Helen S./CHANNELING: OK...
| talk a bit about intent...
| do concepts like good and evil make any...
| sense in the context of your experience and your ...
| study of this phenomenon?
| As in warring forces of good and evil.
Whitley | Maybe we have to decide about intent, just like we have
| to gain an organic realization that they are here before
| we can freely interact with them. Also, a lot of my
| experience has concerned reconnecting with good and
| evil in a new way. As objective forces rather than
| subjective. ga
Paul M. Hadeed: Do you think ET has a specific time frame in respect
| to their plan for humanity. ga
Whitley | Nothing specific. Just here, waiting for us to change our
| focus. ga
Bert | ok...
| regarding your comment about gov. agency tormenting...
| did you mean that this has just started up since the Schiff
| investigation...
| went into gear? or has this been going on a long time? ga
Whitley | Not nasty, really. Just persistent. Started after I
| published Majestic, 'cause it appears to be full of
| classified stuff. Wanted to know where I got it. ga
MJW | Thanks. I would like to change the subject...
| and ask about the new book you have written
| I have all your books, since Hunger...
| and can hardly wait for your next one...
Llew A. Wykel: Sonics, is the way that we have maintained contact. We
| are in the process of
| synth'ing these sounds to enable us to communicate more
| clearly....
| We have been harrassed also to the point of droping
| underground and stopping....
| all talks we were involved in....
| Do you have theorys on how long they have been here?
Whitley | Back to the govt. Now that I think about it, it HAS gotten
| more persistent recently, in some ways. Could NSA be
| nervous about me connecting with the Schiff
| investigation? Don't know. And Lew, what kind of
| harrassment? I get lots of techie stuff, like viruses on
| this box, etc. ga
MJW | I want to know if you still feel that they are benevolent
| beings ...
| who are visiting so many of us. ga
Whitley | Benevolent has no meaning for me. Are we benevolent?
| They are terribly complicated, as are we! ga
Llew A. Wykel: We were told to stop talking or they would send the IRS
| after us, and did have one
| official...
| show up at my next talk and identify himself as IRS.
Whitley | Did send IRS after me. But I'm clean. Just keep pushing
| the envelope, I say. Hell with them! ga
Llew A. Wykel: That was enough for us we dropped out.
Xanadu | Could you talk a bit more about the "outcome of Humanity"?
| BTW could
| you say what gov't agencies?ga
Whitley | I won't stop until I die. This is the most important thing.
| If we get this right, mankind evolves. If not, we go
| extinct.
| And you're looking at a very short timeframe. A century
| more, at most. ga
Llew A. Wykel: Right on!
wscot | Since you mentioned it...
| how much of majestic...
| was fiction and how much is...
| meant to be fact ga
Ronald | ? WS, have you had contact with people re: dreams involving
| infinity. Had them since
| I was a kid; don't know if it's anything or not. ga
Whitley | My primary contacts are with NSA. They put the pressure
| on me. And Majestic--the way things got started with
| MAJIC and the way they went wrong, that's the true part
| of the book. ga
Don Kircher: WS .. Is there more than one...
| ... race visiting you or ...
| ... do you have assigned handlers ga
Whitley | No idea. Don't think it's that simple. Maybe we don't even
| have words for what is "visiting" us. Are we visiting
| ourselves? The life of mankind is at jeopardy, and our
| mind is desperately looking for a way out. The visitors are
| a side-effect of this struggle, whether they are physically
| real or not. GA
SHARON | You mentioned " Change of focus " Could you elaborate on the
| kind of change they are looking for.
Whitley | WE are looking for it. A way of seeing the world as it
| really is, and making use of all the tools of the mind that
| the visitors hold out before us like buckets of wel-water
| before a parched wanderer. ga
PJ | Regarding sound (sonics). I think this is a big deal,
| Whitley. If we can even get the
| 'underground' focused in this direction we could make real
| progress. Also, practice
| makes perfect; I think I'd freak out less when suddenly
| 'losing the guising' if I had more
| practice. If you know any sources of info, I'd appreciate
| getting them. We're working
| specifically with sound affected consciousness and would
| love to find a few others. ga
Whitley | No sources. Nobody knows anything about it! Interesting
| book, The World is Sound by Berendt ga
Llew A. Wykel: We haven't stopped just formed quiet group to maintain
| contact. Whitley your right
| the name of the game is evolve or become extinct,
| that's why we think they are so persistant.
| They may be dependent on that for their existance,
| that's the feel I get
| from it all. What do you think?
PJ | (Darn. Keep us on your list, Whitley, we may have something
| for you eventually. Thanks
| anyway. GA)
Whitley | I am involved in lots of fear combined with lots of
| physical pleasure. I fight the fear as a kind of spiritual
| discipline. But the physical contacts are now very
| pleasant. ga
| The fear is about annihilation of my soul. Fear of that. As
| if they will simply displace my reality with their own, push
| me aside and render me empty of meaning. ga
| Oops. Sorry. Ga Helen.
Bob M. | OK
| I not so sure society will 'change it's focus' without some
| MAJOR disasters or
| experiences like your own. People are so into themselves or
| money, they don't see the
| signs or even WANT to see the signs if it bit them on the
| a$$.(And it will) Do you think....
| most of you are 'chosen', maybe because you're already half
| way.....
| there into changing your focus? ga
Whitley | Absolutely. What is inevitable is that at some time soon
| the planet will become irreversibly unable to support us
| and there will be all kinds of environmental breakdowns.
| And chosen? If you're on this ole earth, you chosen! ga
PJ | Perhaps these "interdimensional" abilities are inherent in
| humanity but manifested more
| in (the DNA?) of some humans than others, and they're really
| just "scanning" humanity to
| find those they can work with. What do you think? GA
Whitley | It seems so organic to me. I mean by that, so deeply a
| part of nature. I can't perceive an "us and them"
| approach. It's all us. Living things, in the whole specrtum
| of potential, from the simplest animal to the
| consciousness that seems to skate the ether. ga
Llew A. Wykel: Whitley have you been able to ask the beings to back
| off till you get your breath,
| and come back in when you are ready to interact again.
| Or do they just seem to
| know when that is required?
Whitley | Yeah, I've created a sort of pulsation. Seasonal, with the
| peaks coming in the winter. ga
Pete (Moderator): My turn? yea! Flapping partridge here!
Llew A. Wykel: Yes just the way we operate.
Whitley | When they are gone, I'm homesick, then when they're
| here, scared! ga
Pete (Moderator): Whitley, are you entering other dimensions or
| parallel worlds....
| yourself in your experiences - or being taken there?
| Is this in Beyond Communion? ga Whitley
Whitley | Yes. I think that we can do this more easily than we
| realize. This is what Beyond Communion is about. US
| doing something. Making our half of the relationship
| active.ga
Llew A. Wykel: The intensity of the being around you....
| is almost unbearable to the extent that we become over....
| stimulated and can't stay that way for very long....
| is that why there seems to be "drugging" taking place to
| you?
Whitley | Last time we looked in each others eyes, I did not crack
| or turn away and it was HARD HARD HARD for both of
| us. We don't do it anymore. And as far as "drugging" is
| concerned, I just speculated about the idea of a drug
| that would enable time travel. I'm certainly not drugged
| when I have my experiences. But I CAN BE numbed or
| placed in an altered state by sounds. And I've seen
| others being affected thusly. ga
PJ | Seems to me the bottom line is making the best of this;
| learning to work with it to our
| (possibly mutual) benefit. Any ideas for John Doe, Whitley?
| For introducing or increasing
| exposure, ability to deal with exposure, ability to
| integrate it all, et al? GA.
Whitley | It is a matter of becoming as used to this as we are to the
| rising and setting of the sun, or to breath, or to our own
| lives. The kind of surrender that is needed is active,
| participating and deeply freeing. It is not surrender to
| THEM, but surrender to ONESELF. That's the beginning. ga
Bert | I'm looking forward to the new book. When will it be out?
| And are there....
| any surprises in store for us? ga
Whitley | The new book will be published by Harper/Collins next
| year. Summer, my guess. Not finished writing it yet. And
| yes, I have a fairly interesting surprise. ga
Alain/ASOP: OK....
| This Sonics thing reminds me of Patrick Flanagan's
| neurophone...
| where he scrambled his brain for a good 20 minutes when he
| tried...
| some phaisng settings once. Do you think that it is what is
| happening? ga
Pete (Moderator): Whitley, can you give us an inside preview at all.
| What do *You* think about the origin of the
| visitors. ie. is there just one type or several. Are
| some ET and some interdimensional? GA
Whitley | The great problem is language. We have not evolved the
| language to correctly and accurately describe the
| visitors...and therefore, ourselves. Quantum mechanics
| directionally suggest the kind of linguistic INdeterminism
| that will be involved in accurate description. ET
| Interdimensional. These are concretizing words, which
| only make the task of SEEING harder.ga
Rick Adams: ok....
| pete's quest. kinda relates on to mine...
| how does the "physical" spaceship et's correlate to the
| interdimentional (DREAMLIKE)...
| et's or terrestials? ga
Whitley | I have been in interdimensional situations that were NOT
| dreamlike, where I was there with somebody else. And
| the interdimensional/time travel/contact with the
| dead/alien business is all blended together. I have letters
| from people whose NDE's evolved into abductions. The
| point is, there is ONE experience behind all this, which is
| many experiences.ga
PJ | Lots of talk about different "types" of... Inter-D's. Do
| you think this is guising, personal
| interpretation, or that there really ARE - as Pete sort of
| asked - "different ones?"
| *Two. Not bad. Ga.
Whitley | I don't think that categorization helps. It is a blinding
| tool. ga
westbrook: 1. Do these people have a name and 2. Do they perform
| abductions? ga
Whitley | Why not just break free from benevolent/evil,
| ET/earthling, interdimensional/physical constructs. And a
| name? Do you really have a name? What was your name
| when you were in your mother's womb? ga
Pete (Moderator): Lumir is with me here and wants to know what your
| opinion is of aliens in a human "skin" or body.
| Follow-up westbrook first?
| ga westbrook
westbrook: Do they perform abductions?
Whitley | I suspect that human beings from other worlds in the
| physical universe come here. Or maybe I've met people
| who have som
Whitley | Oops. That got away unfinished. As far as abductions are
| concerned, I don't know what that is? It's a set of beliefs
| that we've built up around some sort of experience. But
| the beliefs filter the experience so we don't know what's
| happening, not really. Just that it's hard. ga
Bert | Whitley, I sense that John Mack thinks similarly...
| to you. Do you have any feelings about whether he's on the
| right path?....
| Have your read his book? ga
Whitley | My problem with Mack is that I fear the consequences of
| hypnosis, that it may impose structure on the experience
| that isn't really native to it. ga
Rick Adams | I had mentioned "dreamlike" , maybe druglike would have
| been more correct a desc....
| do you think these visitors are the age old angles or do
| you think the "physical" other worls et's are related?
| angels...sorry
Whitley | Could there be a drug that compels one to perceive only
| what is true? I wonder. We haven't really gone very far
| into the use of drugs, in general. Why has nature put all
| these extraordinary substances into the living world? Are
| there tools of interdimensional communication even now
| falling to the bulldozers of the rain forest? ga
Llew A. Wykel: Do you have any information or suspicion that these
| beings might be our "creators"
| not God but somehow involved in our creation as we
| exist today? As opposed to
| them being merely another aspect of ourselves?
Whitley | I suspect that it would be very hard to tell demons from
| angels. A demon would reveal hell to us, and be a very
| terrible thing to see. But wouldn't an angel, if truly good,
| reveal ourselves to us? And wouldn't that be very hard to
| see, also? Almost, but not quite, a vision of hell? ga
Rilla/Sysop: Whitley...when you mentioned the Rainforest...
| are you familiar with Terence and Dennis McKenna's work?
Whitley | And "merely" is not a good word to characterize such a
| grand thing as another aspect of a human being.
| McKenna's work, yes. But never took the drugs.ga
PJ | Give me a minute, take someone else first Pete GA
Pete (Moderator): Has anyone an experience to tell Whitley about -
| involving another reality...? ga anyone
Whitley | I am about ready to go. It's been great fun!ga
PJ | Whitley, do you think...
| that the effects of the experience with these "entities"
| (whoever they may be)...
| are affecting us *physically*? Have the feeling it's some
| sort of ....
| restructuring of possibly even DNA... or at the very least,
| something...
| close to what many religions would call "evolvement."
| ? GA
Pete (Moderator): Thanks for being here Whitley, if you can answer
| Pj - Great. We've all enjoyed this conversation
Pete (Moderator): ga Whitley.
Whitley | Mixed bag. Physical effects on me--terrible allergies
| accompanied by wonderful new abilities, such as the
| ability to leave the body, to enter other realities, to move
| through time. Strange effects on electronic instruments.
| Sleep problems. Emotional upheavals. And a great
| upwelling of hope. Thanks for having me. ga
Pete (Moderator): Let's all add in our farewell comments to a great
| writer and thank him ! Looking forward to Beyond
| Communion!
| ga
Rilla/Sysop: Thanks Whitley!!!!!
|
PJ | Thanks Whitley and best of luck in your research. We may
| meet again one day.
Rick Adams: GThanks .
Bob M. | Yea, Thanx for chatting with us, Whitley
Llew A. Wykel: Thank you very much Whitley.
Pete (Moderator): Come back to the forum anytime. It's less stressful
| than CO!
Rilla/Sysop: This was a wonderful co!!
Bob P./UFOLOGY: Thanks much WS - good luck for the future to you!
Bob M. | I really enjoyed.....c-ya later
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