Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 16:38:51 CST-6CDT
ORTK BULLETIN #2
A conversation with Bob Dean
By Ed Komarek, co-founder ORTK
INSIDERS CORNER:
I thought I would check in by phone with Ret. Sergeant Major Bob Dean
for this weeks Insider Corner. Bob and his wife Ceclia are a couple of the
finest folks in the UFO field. Bob Dean has impeccable credentials haveing
worked for SHAPE, NATO in Europe where he claims to have held a cosmic top
secret clearance. There he claims to have have access to and studied a
specal NATO report that showed photos of extraterrestrial spacecraft and
alien bodies. He says this report changed his life. If you are new to the
UFO field read the article on him in the April 1994 issue of Omni Magazine
or go to the title Inside The Military UFO Underground at this internet
address.
http://erau.db.erau.edu/~elston/government.html.
I was particularly interested in how Bob's book was coming along. I
was only able to talk to Bob for a short time by phone as he and his wife
had come down with the flu. Bob says he has no idea when his book will
come out as he has been so buisy in the UFO field. He did talk to Colin
Andrews, a well known circle researcher in Europe about the Roswell
archival film footage. Colin did say that the film was tested by Kodak and
was 1945-48 vintage film. Beyond that everybody is waiting to see how
things fall out. Bob was also told that the film would be shown in the
States soon. I assume that would be a video of the film.
ORTK WORLDWIDE ACTION CAMPAIGN:
Brenda Lancaster(email HJDX25A@prodigy.com ) one of ORTK's Executive
Directors and Mike Jamieson, the other co-founder of ORTK want me to be
sure to mention this campaign in this bulletin. We need very much one or
more individuals on the internet to contact Brenda to organize this
campaign on the internet. I have just too much to do just handleing
general ORTK duties on the internet to concentrate in this area. Brenda
needs help fund raising and the handleing of the ORTK UN petition drive on
the internet. Brenda and Mike have had some nice ORTK pins made up for a
donation of $5:00. Send checks payable to Operation Right To Know at Mikes
address, 554 Randolph St. #2, Napa, CA 94559. Checks will be forwarded to
the ORTK Maryland account and earmarked for this project. The money will
be used to fund a advertising campaign and the Worldwide Action Drive which
includes the UN petition. Donations to the general ORTK fund should be
sent directly to ORTKs address: P.O. Box 3173, Gaithersburg, MD 20885.
Please email Brenda at the above internet address if you have any questions
or want to become involved.
FEEDBACK:
The response I got from the introduction of the ORTK Bulletin has been
quite positive with the exception of a lambasting by Brenda who feels that
I should stick mostly with ORTK activities and not indulge in snipeing. I
may have to figure out a way to separate my specualtions and comments from
ORTK material in the future. I would like to state here that my
speculations and comments I make, do not necessarily represent the views of
the Executive Committee or the ORTK Board of Directors. I do think there
needs to be a place in the Bulletin where members can share views and or
opinions etc., which includes me. I have been in the UFO field for a long
time and I feel that members have a right to know what is going on in the
UFO social scene including the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Brenda has been in contact with Stanton Friedman and says that Stanton
was over in europe and was not impressed by those he talked to about the
Roswell archival film. (At this point I will reserve comment in deference
to Brenda) On the other hand it seems ORTK member, supporter, abductee
researcher Richard Boylan seems quite positive about a imminent end to the
UFO coverup. (I wanted to include his update as a addition to this Bulletin
but I haven't figured out how to get his update from the newsgroups on to
this email form.) I am not holding my breath on a rapid end to the coverup
but I expect when it ends it will surprise most everybody including myself
much like the end of the cold war.
INTERNET UPDATE:
Yes, Glenn I hope I have figured out how to suppress the mailing list
on this Bulletin. I am coming along, I am coming along.
I noticed that now the cyberjocks have got a nice little feature on
the server Netscape. One just clicks on the search button up in the top
right corner of the screen and then do a search for UFO. This puts one
right on a nice UFO page with the IUFOG as the first item. From there I
can go to either MEDIA for update material or to HYPERLINKS to access other
folks UFO pages and the newsgroups. This feature should be great for UFO
newbies. Way to go fellows.
Don Ratch and I are now even beginning to work our media contacts via
ENDnewbies. Way to go fellows.
Don Ratch and I are now even beginning to work our media contacts via
the internet. Sun International got in touch with me the other day by
phone and I passed on my internet address and was contacted by Sun by
computer. Wow! I have begun to build a press network as well as a
internation contact network for ORTK.
Anybody wishing to become a ORTK free member or just get on the
mailing list email me Ed Komarek at:
ekomarek@mail.public.lib.ga.us.
Many thanks to Mark Hines (ORTK internet editor), Howard Olson,Dean
Kanipe,Zac Elston, Eric Stevens,Laurant Levesque,Jeremy Zawodny and Dave
Schmtiz for all the work they have done for ORTK. Things like mailforms,
mirrors and URLs are all croping up all over the internet for ORTK. You are
all doing a great job and I and ORTK appreciate it.
Dan says the new Forum newsletter will be out soon. For the last
Forum go to the internet address:
http://www.duke.edu/~dpk/ortkinde.html then click on the date 1994.
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 16:05:43 -0500
From: Ed Komarek
Resent-From: "Welsh Patricia"
Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 16:37:09 CST-6CDT
ORTK BULLETIN #3
Conversation with Larry Bryant
By Ed Komarek (5/1/95)
INSIDERS CORNER:
I checked in with my good friend Larry Bryant(director of MUFON
governmental affairs, director of Citizens Against UFO Secrecy, member of
the Board of ORTK) last week. As the reader can see from the above titles
Larry is one of the few people highly respected by both the the UFO
establishment and the not so UFO establishment types such as myself. Larry
just recently retired from the Pentagon where he has been a thorn in the
Pentagon's side for years. Larry is a prolific filer of lawsuits and
Freedom of Information Act requests against various governemnt agencies.
Larry has doggedly pursued agencies of the Federal Government that cover up
UFO information. He has become one of the most respected people in the UFO
field. For those that know Larry well, he is a prodigious collector of UFO
paraphernalia and UFO information, a regualr pack rat. When visiting his
home several years ago even the chairs and sofa were piled high with stacks
of paper and books leaving no place to sit. Larry is clearly one of the
best informed people in the UFO field. He takes great delight in passing
on to me reams of information so that my desk is rapidly takeing on the
appearance of his house. He knows I will spend days reading the material
unable to pass up such a feast of UFO information.
I called up Larry to see if he had any pictures of the past ORTK-GAO
demostration that could be passed on to our internet editor Mark Hines, for
the ORTK internet page. He gave me a contact who took pictures, so
hopefully Mark will have what he needs soon. Recently Larry won a partial
judgment against the Army and now he is pursuing a freedom of act request
against the NSA. Even with all their resources they just don't seem to have the
ability to quickly deal with FOIA requests even after all these years since
the Act went into effect. Larry even got his Representative in Congress
involved to no avail. Here is a quote from a letter of October 28, 1994
from Larry Bryant to the NSA. "Since it has been about 1.5 years since
your receipt of (and delay in fulfillment of) my FOIA request for a copy of
the Fred Olsen litigation case-file records (Request Log No. J9472-93), I
am planning to submit this record of delay to the publishers of the
Guinness Book of World Records, for consideration as an entry in their next
edition." After getting Representative Moran to look into the matter, on
March 29, 1995 Moran got a letter from the NSA, along with more excuses for
the delay, that were passed on to Larry. It certainlyu seems the NSA is in
no hurry to respond to Larry's FOIA request! Such is typical and the norm
in FOIA UFO cases. Keep on them Larry.
THE INTERNET FILE:
"Wow Phil, I didn't know you cared," was Ed's response to seeing a
post of a portion of the dastardly Phill Klass's dreaded "SUN" newsletter
on one of the UFO newsgroups. It seems that Phill was referenceing my ORTK
Bulletin #2 in his latest "SUN" newsletter. Glenn Campbell in his Desert
Rat newsletter #23 refers to Phil in this manner, "THE EVIL PHIL KLASS'S
delightfully dismissive and eminently entertaining "Skeptics UFO
Newsletter... Ordered from Philip J. Klass, Nefarious UFO Skeptic(NUFOS),
404 "N" St. SW, Washington DC 20024 for $15 per year. It seems Phil
devoted a considerable amount of space in this latest issue of "SUN" to
degrading Bob Dean who was Ed's guest in the ORTK Bulletin #2. Thanks Phil
for the publicity. Of course followers of the UFO social scene know that
Phil went on the attack with his pen or was it a pencil, against Bob Dean
at a conference last year calling Bob a liar in front of the press and in
the process got chewed out by Bob's wife to the point where Phil later had
to apologize for his outrageous behavior. "I am flattered for the coverage
in "SUN" this means ORTK must be doing something right." says Ed.
Things are really moving along well as ORTK organizes on the internet.
Thanks to Eric and Howard the ORTK awaiter is bringing in new members at a
rate of 20 per week. Eric says his list has over 60 people now and my
address file has over 50 so far. So we have broke 100 going for a thousand
by the end of the year I hope. We may have to soon consolidate the
membership list at the awaiter location but I want to keep developing my
membership list here at this location for as long as possible so that I can
personally be in contact with our new members as they come on board. We are
developing good international contacts that are working to keep ORTK
informed and help in spreading the word about ORTK. People like Schwann,
schwann@aztec.co.za a real computer wiz from South Africa, who is realy
helping to spread the word.
I have also been able to contact Dr. Rubtsov in the Ukraine who I met
in Karkov several years ago when I was lecturing in the old USSR on UFOs.
I believe Dr. Rubtsov to be a fine person and scientist who is realy trying
to help his people get infomred on the UFO subject. I am also trying to
get into contact with my other friends in the CIS countries by computer
because since I became a activist my snail mail has not been reaching my
friends in the CIS countries. I hope to again spend some time in the CIS countries
in the next 2-3 years when I get the bucks.
Eric Elston has been scanning in some stuff I sent him. This includes
part of the McDanial Report, pages from Flying Saucers Serious Business
that discusses Frank Drakes role in Project Ozmo the precursor to SETI, and
the Tai Ceti article by Forest Crawford that mentions the name of Frank
Drake as the scientist that harmed a captured ET. This article got me interested in the man.
Forest Crawford is a credible UFO investigator on the UFO lecture scene.
Forest told me by phone quite a while back that after the article came out
a couple of Frank Drakes's men came snooping around. Frank Drake is a
another UFO debunker who is close to UFO debunker Carl Sagan. I think they
work together on highly classified UFO projects while at the same time they
debunk the subject to keep the public uninformed. See my ATK-MAJIC article
on Jeremys WWW UFO Page:
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jzawodn/ufo/. Eric's stuff is at:
http://erau.db.erau.edu/~elston/iufog.html.
ORTK board member Mary Kerfoot and Patricia Welsh are circulating a
letter in support of Dr. John Mack in his fight with the Harvard Censure
Board. Even UFO skeptic Jim Moesley thinks its a bum deal and hopes he
beats the rap. Email Patricia Welsh at:
SPWLBC@nuls.law.nwu.edu and she
will snail mail you a addressed stamped envelope along with the letter.
(Hopefully ORTK will have it together soon where petition drives etc. can
all be done by computer and we will be able to deliver a large number of
letters or petitions quickly to a destination.) We hear that many students
at Harvard are upset at this outrageous effort by the Harvard elite to
stifle free thinking and scientific research. I wish we could have a ORTK
demostration there to help Dr. Mack. Do we have anybody in the area that
would want to organize a demostration at Harvard!
I suspect the notoriously unscientific CISCOP organization is behind
this effort to intimidate Dr. Mack and other scientists that might want to
get involved in the UFO field. I don't think its any coincidence that
Donna Bassett's husband worked right down the hall from Phil Klass when
Phil worked for Aviation Week(often know as Aviation Leak Magazine for its
close association with government).
This is a political war we are fighting folks, it doen't have anything
to do with science. Its about time the UFO community woke up to the fact
that its politics not science that will end the coverup and solve the UFO
enigma. Scientific solutions will not solve a political problem where the
data is being minipulated for political reasons. CISCOP is a political
lobbying organization not a scientific organization and it has been
devastatingly effective in propagandizing the mass media and the public.
We hope to hear from the ORTK folks abroad for ORTK is a international
organization. Whats going on in your neck of the woods John? How is ORTK
Britian doing ? Dr. Boylan says the Roswell press conference has been
delayed till May 3. ( Editor Note: - now May 6th )
I am hopeing that the ORTK board members on the internet will send me
a quarter to one half page on themselves and what they are doing so the
free membership can have access to other ORTK viewpoints and perspectives
other than mine. Also Mark Hines(our internet editor) hopefully can give
us a piece on himself and his activities for ORTK. Maybe different ones of
ENDother than mine. Also Mark Hines(our internet editor) hopefully can give
us a piece on himself and his activities for ORTK. Maybe different ones of
us can edit the ORTK Bulletin so that the members will be able to see ORTK
from different persepctives than just Eds.
Come on you folks out in cyberspace, join us. Just email me Ed
Komarek at:
ekomarek@mail.public.lib.ga.us. We will try not to clutter up
your email and only plan to put out these bulletins once a week and our
irregular newletter the Forum only comes out several times a year. Become
informed! You have a right and a need to know.
NOTE:
Members feel free to copy and distribute this message around the
internet. You folks with pages can be a big help for us too if you can
carry these bulletins and the ORTK newsletter on your home pages. Be sure
to give my email address so we can be contacted or put up a mailform to my
address. Thanks.
