Subject: Roswell film in Holland
Hi,
Just a short notice to keep you posted.
On 27 Aug 1995 there be a documentary on Dutch T.V. about Roswell with
clippings of the Roswell film ( 6 Min. ). Premier in Europe I believe.
Regards Kevin
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From: ralph@vara.nl (Ralph Moonen)
Subject: Dutch TV has Roswell Premiere before Channel IV!!!
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:44:41 +0200
Dutch TV station Veronica will air the Roswell footage
saturday the 27th of August, at 20:05.
Channel IV has reacted furiously and has accused Santilli
of breaking his contract with them.
But we get to see it first :-)
--Ralph
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Ralph Moonen
Omroepland,
The Netherlands
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From: jeremy@simplex.nl (jeremy)
Subject: Autopsy film on Dutch and German TV
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:27:31 GMT
For people living in the Netherlands,
Here are the times and channels:
Sunday 27 August
Nederland 2
Veronica
20:05 to 21:00
Roswell autopsy film
Monday 28 August
RTL (german)
9:40 to 23:00
Same thing but in German<
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Plus: Tuesday 29 August
22:00 to 22:30
sbs6 (new Amsterdam channel)
Program about current wave of UFO's over Holland
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REPORT OF FIRST AIRING FROM HOLLAND
From Hans V. Kampen, via Compuserve, August 27th
Between 20:15 and 21:00 hrs Central European Time (GMT+2) the Dutch broadcast corporation VERONICA (V.O.O.) released its version of 'the' 'worldwide' 'Roswell' documentary.
I will refrain from revealing much of the contents at this moment, but concentrate on the reactions of some viewers. My bureau held a telephone survey and asked (until now) 50 persons in The Netherlands for their reactions. Although a true media-hipe (newspapers and magazines writing about 'Roswell' prior to the broadcast) had aroused great interest, the most significant reaction now is: confusion...
The V.O.O. showed insignificant and unclear debris (wreckage) of sorts and for laymen an incomprehensible autopsy (the one we all know about by now) mixed with pro- and con-interviews, leaving the central question(s) and the Roswell Connection open to judgement by the public. A cheap way to circumvent later debates. The sun may shine, but also not - it may freeze, but it also may not... This sort of stuff.
The general concensus surfacing now is: *confusion*.
Question were: "Do YOU know if it was a hoax? They (the makers, hvk) suggest a hoax...!"
and "These were humans no aliens, aliens look different or don't they?" etc. etc.
Dutchmen are not very suggestible - they like hard facts and here it surfaced, that many found the presentation of the facts to *doubtful*. In the documentary the aspect of a 'hoax' was slightly accentuated and this added
obviously to the doubts and the confusion. Some were even disappointed.
Tomorrow RTL-Germany shall broadcast its documentary at 22:10-23:00 hrs CET.
I am curious to see where they come up with.
The Dutch presentation was apparently not convincing.
I would like to share the reactions from elsewhere if possible.
Hans v. Kampen
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OTHER VIEWPOINTS OF THE
FILM FROM HOLLAND
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:41:57 +0200
From: mol@via.nl (Kevin Mol)
Subject: Roswell Film
Joshua,
It' s impossible to became a Holland reporter, due to my tight schedule.
The documentary on Dutch T.V. was a compilation of Channels 4 docu.
It consisted of a build up from the event at Roswell 1947 ( a crash,
militaire involvment, harresment) Interviews with some local people of
Roswell, the daughter of the sheriff, the son of Jesse Marcel whom claimed
his dad took home some debris from the crash site with funny markings on it.
( In the clips they show of the Santille film there was some debris with
marking which were simular Marcel said)
There was a pice of home video with Mr. DuBois who was second in command at
Roswell Mil. base who said in this video that his superior had said ' I' ve
never seen something like it'. A former ( secret ) agent came forward for
the first time a Mr. Kaufmann, who claims to have been on the crashsite, saw
two bodies outside, and three in the craft. One was still alive.
Clips of the Santilli film consisted of the same scene as the foto's and a
few autopsie scenes. The film was amateur style and blurred quit often.
All in all I didn't find the document convincing.
Kevin Mol
Holland
mol@via.nl
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From: knwatson@nedernet.nl (Ken Watson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,
Subject: VIDEO TV Roswell symbols
- - (was:Re: Santilly (footage) on Dutch TV, impression).
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:23:53 GMT
Organization: Euronet Internet
jan@publishnet.nl (Jan van der Knaap) wrote:
>-The Debris footage was less dissapointing than I suspected it to be. The
>panels looked better. The heiroglyps appeared to form the words 'VIDEO
>TV', but if this
>was not told up front lots of folks would not have noticed the resemblance.
I'd like to add comment here.
I've studied this section of the film and can categorically state that
it does *NOT* form the word "TV"
The symbol for the "E" in the 'word' VIDEO is the same symbol as the
supposed "T" in the word TV. What is more, there is between the words
VIDEO and EV (TV?) an extra symbol, resembling - but not exactly the
same as - that forming the "O" in VIDEO.
This "E" symbol, icidentally, is actually two E's back to back
ie:
(Hope that can be seen by your newsreaders)
The fact that this does *NOT* form clearly the words VIDEO TV, VIDEO
EV or even "VIDEOOEV" (the closest) has not been brought out clearly
in all reports. This was especially true in "Kevin O'Crean's" report
of the film presentation in Sheffield last week. Whoever was writing
that report (under the name Kevin O Crean) clearly left us with the
impression that these words were in simple plain letters. I even read
somewhere that this may have been an artefact of having copied the
original film onto video.
All of that is misinformation. The symbols are carved into the metal
fragments. In fact, we do not even know which way up the symbols
should be read.
Ken Watson
Reeuwijk, The Netherlands
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From: jan@publishnet.nl (Jan van der Knaap)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Santilly (footage) on Dutch TV, impression.
Date: 28 Aug 1995 11:28:19 GMT
Organization: PublishNET Netherlands BV
Yesterday, Sunday august 27 a documentary was shown on Dutch TV "The
Roswell UFO mystery". The one hour (not too sensationalized) docu opened
with about 35 minutes of background information on the incident, showing
various interviews with first and secondhand witnesses. Furthermore some
of the controversial footage was shown, some 5 minutes (total) of the
'autopsy' and a few minutes of the 'debris'. Ray Santilly was interviewed,
and some 'expert opinions' from a coroner and a SFX man were shown.
My impressions-
-The witnesses are still very impressive. No 'flaky' people IMHO.
-Ray made (as expected) a very *honest* impression.
-The autopsy footage was hardly surprising.
-The Debris footage was less dissapointing than I suspected it to be. The
panels looked better. The heiroglyps appeared to form the words 'VIDEO TV', but if this
was not told up front lots of folks would not have noticed the resemblance.
-The expert-coroner's (name unknown) impression was '98% chance that this is
a man-made hoax, 2% it isn't. The expert-coroner based his statement on a mere
'feeling' however, not on expertise.
-The footage is mostly inconsistent with the claims of various witnesses.
-The film is absolutely worthless without the cameraman backing up the
story. The possibility remains that he doesn't even exist.
Jan
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From: vdleden@vbic.knoware.nl (Menno vd Leden)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Roswell film opinion after seeing it
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:39:25 GMT
Organization: Knoware Internet
I just saw the Dutch premiere of the Roswell documentry. I must say I
had high expectations about the alien cut into pieces, but it was a
bit of a dissapointment.
Bad quality film, most of the time out of focus, over exposure. The
skin of the alien didn't seem to react "natural", nor did the organs
look very confincing. Ofcourse if it WAS an alien, how would *I* know
how it should react and look like ;)?
Roswell is a mystery, and the alien-film looks a bit like an hoax, a
good one though.
_________________vdleden@vbic.knoware.nl____
True evolution is the revival of the misfits
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From: anton@euronet.nl (Anton Futselaar)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Roswell film opinion after seeing it
Date: 27 Aug 1995 22:33:58 GMT
Organization: Dieren / The Netherlands
In article <41QHQO$7RF@NEWS.KNOWARE.NL>, vdleden@vbic.knoware.nl wrote:
> I just saw the Dutch premiere of the Roswell documentry. I must say I
> had high expectations about the alien cut into pieces, but it was a
> bit of a dissapointment.
> Bad quality film, most of the time out of focus, over exposure. The
> skin of the alien didn't seem to react "natural", nor did the organs
> look very confincing. Ofcourse if it WAS an alien, how would *I* know
> how it should react and look like ;)?
> Roswell is a mystery, and the alien-film looks a bit like an hoax, a
> good one though.
>
Yes, I must agree. It looks like a fake to me.
Anton
anton@euronet.nl
Anton's FreeHand Page (http://www.euro.net/ecompany/afpindex.html)
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From: jjh@euronet.nl (Jaap_Tamminga)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Roswell film opinion after seeing it
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 22:18:26 GMT
Organization: Euronet Internet
vdleden@vbic.knoware.nl (Menno vd Leden) wrote:
>I just saw the Dutch premiere of the Roswell documentry. I must say I
>had high expectations about the alien cut into pieces, but it was a
>bit of a dissapointment.
>Bad quality film, most of the time out of focus, over exposure. The
>skin of the alien didn't seem to react "natural", nor did the organs
>look very confincing. Ofcourse if it WAS an alien, how would *I* know
>how it should react and look like ;)?
>Roswell is a mystery, and the alien-film looks a bit like an hoax, a
>good one though.
>_________________vdleden@vbic.knoware.nl____
Like Menno I just saw the Roswell footage, and like Menno I was
disapointed about it. But there were enough leads to suspect that
there is something being covered-up, the film might be a hoax but
there was something going on at Roswell air base in 1947... I don't
think we wil ever know what (crash)landed near Roswell.
Thats what happens in countries where the military/government decides
what is the truth and wat realy happend, and start to lie (every
department a different lie)
I am not sure what to think of all of this, I would like to see the
proof that the whole Roswell incident is either true or false, the
very short film fragments i have seen do not convince me either way.
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From: eelco@eastg.iaf.nl (Eelco Zwart)
Subject: Roswell documentary
Organization: Eastgate Systems; Groningen, The Netherlands
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 21:21:27 GMT
Tonight (Sunday) the Brittish Channel 4 documentary on the Roswell-incident
was showed on the Dutch television. I have to say that the documentary was
made very well. The facts and evidences of the withnesses were all the same
as I know them from the books on the subject. But I am not convinced that
the Santilli-film is real. Although the images looked very real, the film was
not taken very profesionnally. A bit strange IMHO. Further a part of the
wreckage was showed. In the unknown language that was printed on it, it was
not difficult to recognize the word 'VIDEO'..?! For me it's almost clear that
the film is a hoax. But I am sure that the American Government is hiding
something for us and I'm still hoping that this film and documentary helps
to reveal the Roswell-mystery. I think we have the right to know, what
happened there fifty years ago!
Eelco
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From: kinsella@euronet.nl (Frank_van_Geloven)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Roswell film opinion after seeing it
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:39:24
Organization: Euronet Internet
>In article <41QHQO$7RF@NEWS.KNOWARE.NL>, vdleden@vbic.knoware.nl wrote:
>> I just saw the Dutch premiere of the Roswell documentry. I must say I
>> had high expectations about the alien cut into pieces, but it was a
>> bit of a dissapointment.
>> Bad quality film, most of the time out of focus, over exposure. The
>> skin of the alien didn't seem to react "natural", nor did the organs
>> look very confincing. Ofcourse if it WAS an alien, how would *I* know
>> how it should react and look like ;)?
>> Roswell is a mystery, and the alien-film looks a bit like an hoax, a
>> good one though.
>>
>Yes, I must agree. It looks like a fake to me.
>Anton
Hoi Anton,
I must agree too. The documentry was excellent (I think), but Santilli's
images were very clear ----> fake.
i.e. Why was the doctor in the other room, behind the glasses, wearing a
mouth-cap? He wasn't in the room with the 'alien' and still wearing a cap. It
seems to me that he didn't want to show his face.
i.e. Why was the debris in the same room where the autopsy was taking place?
Bit strange, don't you think?
i.e. Why didn't Santilli give a piece of the film for examination? He said:
'I've to ask the collector who purchased the first part of the movie. Which
collector? And why didn;t he give a part of thesecond movie? There are fifteen
parts, if Santlli's statements on the net were correct.
But......some witnesses were very convincing. Something took place over there,
but we will never know what.
The autopsy-film will do its job I'm sure. It will close the cover-up.
Frank
