AmigaZone live chat with Stefan "Yabba" Burstroem, author of the Amiga web browser, IBrowse. Stefan joined us for this special chat on the evening of Saturday, Sept. 27, 1997, which was actually very early Sunday morning, his time, since he lives in, and was telnetting in from his home in Sweden. The chat begins with only a couple people online since Stefan arrived about an hour early, then left, then came back again a little while later (due to a mixup in converting Pacific Time to GMT, or something like that) when more people had arrived. This conference took a little less than two hours in real time. This is basically unedited. The lines sent by yours truly do not have a "-Name" in front of them, just a ":" since when one chats in Wildcat's chat area, one's own name does not appear at the head of the lines one sends, only the names of the other folks who are talking. This entire chat transcript is Copyright 1997 The AmigaZone, all rights reserved. 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Harv Laser AmigaZone Sysop 2 October, 1997 ---------- [..edited chat transcript begins] -Nancy: Hi Mr. IBrowse!!!! :-Yabba: Harv: How do I set AmTelnet to chat mode? :yabba, one of the menus has "chat line" choice in it. :the long menu. settings? :-Yabba: Ah, found it :) :or maybe it's "edit line?" :makes itmuch easier. :-Yabba: Indeed :AmTelnet needs a lot of work but it's passable. :-Yabba: Well, anyway about this competition: 2nd place in sweden, 1st place at my university :-) :cool. what did you have to do? :code a web browser in under an hour? :) :-Yabba: Well, actually 1 of the problems was a parser type problem. You should parse some C code and print all strings in it :-Yabba: And I just happened to have my JavaScript programmer in my team :) :hah. so did you win a lovely cash prize? or just get applause and a free dinne r. :btw, what time is it there? about 2:15 a.m.? :-Yabba: A free trip to the the Netherlands this spring :wow. good going. :-Yabba: It is 03:15 am now :ahha. so one of us was wrong. i thought 7pm here (PT) was 3am there. :-Yabba: The trip is to the european acm final :-Floyd: hoedy mr Ibrowse :anyway people will show up in a while. i told them 7pm. :-Nancy: sounds like you keep the same hours i do. :-Yabba: Hi Floyd! :-Yabba: Harv: No prob, it was my 'mistake' :sweden doesn't have daylight savings time? :no wait.. you're east of GMT. that's why. :d'oh! :-Softlogik: [checking] :-Nancy: shoudn't...thats an american thing :damn politicians.. they shouldn't mess with time. :-Yabba: Yes we have daylight saving time :-Nancy: really?!? :-Yabba: Harv: You are +7 GMT? :yah lots of countries do, notjust the usa anymore. :yabba, -7 :-Yabba: eh :) :-Nancy: I need to go have a talk with my history prof. :during daylight savings time. -8 during regular time. :-Yabba: Nancy: I we do not have icebears walking the streets :) :-Yabba: Nancy: And we do not have icebears walking the streets :) :-Softlogik: Sweden is UTC + 1 (+2 in Summer( :polar bears :) :leaving nancy? :-Yabba: Harv: Well, no polar bears either actually :you're too far south for polar bears. :-Nancy: no. :oh. :yabba, how's the lag for you? is it slow or acceptable :-Nancy: why? :-Yabba: Harv: When I turned AmTelnet into chatmode, it is acceptable :nancy cuz you said you need to go talk to a prof. I thought you meant now. :-Softlogik: Leave to visit your history professor. :yabba, okay. :-Yabba: Harv: And I have lowered my mtu value :good. :-Softlogik: lag-o-meter :-Softlogik: great yere :-Softlogik: here :yabba which tcp stack do you usually use? :-Yabba: Harv: Miami :ah. :i'm not using a stack at all. i have a local dial up ISP shell account and i ju st telnet into here using a good ol' terminal program. :-Nancy: no....ment that my hist prof told me bout a week ago the daylight savings whasas one of the stupid american things :-Nancy: me to :nancy maybe americans invented it but it's pretty much global. :they did it so farmers' cows wouldn't get upset or something. :-Softlogik: No Summer time in Afghanistan :a couple states don't observe it - indiana and maybe arizona or part of arizona or something. :-Softlogik: nor Andorra :yabba, well relax, and we'l just wait for the crowd toshow up. should be about half an hour. i'll hold back on browser talk till then. so you don't have to re peat anything. :yabba do you get charged $$ for local calls like they do in the UK? :-Floyd: I thought they did it to conserve fuel during oil embargo. :or is sweden more civilized :) :-Yabba: Harv: Yes, but that's no prob :cuz if you want to dial back in half an hour, that's ok too. it's up to you. :in the USA we don't pay for local calls at all. :-Yabba: Harv: Well, I'll go offline before 07:00pm but that's just to be able to call my girlfriend :) :-Softlogik: [in most places] :ok. :eeek! browser developer only has ONE phone line!?!? heehee :-Yabba: Harv: Yeah, I heard that. It is pretty useful for dial up connections :) :ever been to the usa? :-Yabba: Harv: Sure :-Yabba: Harv: 2 times :if you ever make it to los angeles, dinner is on me :) :-Yabba: Harv: Thanks, I'll remember that! :-Yabba: Harv: If you ever visit sweden, remember to visit the southern part :) :-Nancy: Harv: How's the weather down there? :not too likely unless I rob a bank, but I'll remember. :nancy.. it was like 85-90 all day, sunny. :*HOT* :-Nancy: rain all gone? :it only rained two days ago.the hurricane missed us and hit arizona instead. :only rained about 1/2 an inch here. very light. :there's a very good amiga weather client called "weather experience" you can pl ug in a bunch of cities, as many as you want, and it goes and gets all kinds of data for them, updated many times a day :-Yabba: Will you amercians never stop using those strange things such as inch and farenheith? :-) :-Nancy: nope :yabba well american politicians think the metric system is the work of the devi l. :-Yabba: hehe :-Nancy: we LIKE to be different :-Nancy: HARV: I have weather experience, but never use it. :-Floyd: btw yabba I like your browser. 1/2inch =12.5cm :oh.well you should use it. it's neat. :-Yabba: Nancy: Maybe, but it is a pain if you try to have a scientific conversation with someone ;) :btw yabba, is 1.12a still the latest? :-Yabba: <- is a Physics Engineering student ;) :-Yabba: Harv: Yes, it is the latest :-Nancy: Actually, I'm all for the using the metric system. A couple times there were s :ok thanks. gotta have the latest y'know. :I had physics in college but forgot most of it. :-Yabba: Harv: 1.2 will be out pretty soon I guess :-Nancy: Actually, I'm all fot the metric system. :whee! :lots of cars come with dual english/metric dial markings. well usually the spee dometer anyway. :-Nancy: The politicions don't want it....something to do with old ladies geting rippedof when buying milk. :yup it's all political. :-Nancy: One of the few givens in life :so now this new "Lisle"guy is saying we will have new Amiga modelswithin a year . I'm confused. :I hear GW won't make them, only licensees, and now he seems to be saying they w ill make them. :-Nancy: Has anyone seen an A1300, A1400, or A1500? :what are those? :-Floyd: power corupts total power corputs totally -somefamous dead guy. :-Yabba: Harv: Licenced Micronic towers :absolute power corrupts absolutely :oh. nope haven't seen those. :-Nancy: From what i can tell, A1200 with a new name. :) :-Yabba: Harv: Micronic has licenced A1200 motherboards to put in their own towers :-Yabba: The A1500 comes with a Z3 bus :i don't want a tower 1200. i like the small size. in fact it should be smaller and more portable. like.. like.. uh.. a laptop! :) :-Yabba: <- has a A4000T. The biggest Amiga model ever built :) :-Nancy: How well does the z3 bus work? :sigh i was reading computer ads in the paper this morning. you can get a comple te P200 system with 24x cd rom, 32 meg ram, 3 gig drive, AND a monitor for like $1200 now. :yah the 4000t is huge. :I have a 1200/030 and a 2500/060 (and a CDTV ;) :-Nancy: I'm looking for one of those. :what, a CDTV? :-Nancy: 4000T :oh. heh. :they're out there brand new. you can buy them. :-Nancy: For how much? :for 040, $1995. for 060, $2795. :last time I checked. :-Nancy: yikes :yup. :too much. :-Nancy: Hope the prices go down soon. Petro says that the prices in the US should dropsoon. :well they'd certainly be easier to sell if they were priced more like PeeCees :you think that's high, take a look at new powermac prices. they're ridiculous! :the fastest macs are close to $5000. :-Nancy: Anyone know what's suposed to be in workbench 3.4? :-Floyd: harv btw the file you sent me does the same thing "program failed error# 80000005"so must be the CV64/3D. thanks for tring to :-Nancy: ....3.5 i mean :yup floyd, that's the only reason it's failing. must be some way to run it with that. :nancy.. just rumors about it. like a built in tcp stack. :-Nancy: groan :well "built in" like included I mean. dunno which one though. :i'm sure that's not all it'll add. :maybe it'll come with a browser :) :-Nancy: A new browser is to be released in Nov...forget the name of it. :amiga intl has had some "public beta" stuff on their site for a while - like a new FFS and setpatch and some other stuff. :Webcruiser, from Finale Development. :-Nancy: Supposed to work on 2.1 :that's the next browser to come out of which I'm aware. supposed to be at this midwest show shortly. :but I haven't seen it and they won't give it to me till it ships. :they did promiseme some copies of New York newsreader to give away as prizes. :-Yabba: I'll be back in 20 mins :-Nancy: bye :okay yabba hopefully we'll have a crowd here :) :-Yabba: :) :Yabba has just left the chat room. :-Floyd: bye :-Yabba: Well.... I am 23 years old, studying Physics Engineering and Computer Design :-Yabba: I have had computers since I was 12 :-Yabba: My first computer was a C64 :) :-Yabba: I live in the southern part of sweden :And what is your current Amiga setup like? :-Yabba: And I started programming Amiga 8 years ago :-Yabba: My current Amiga is a A4000T/060/PPC/CV3d lots of ram, lots of HD and a CDROM,soon to be CD-Writer and a Delfina Lite card :Okay.. :so we started out with AMosaic.. which was free.. :-Yabba: I think that's it... :-Izzi: current browser status? :And then Omnipresence was formed.. :-Izzi: (ie. HTML vers?) :And you became the author of IBrowse.. how did that happen? :-Yabba: Hehe :did you go to them? did they come to you? :-Yabba: Interesting story... I'll try to sumarize it :ok :-Yabba: autumn 94, I started studying at the university (and got my own email address :) :-Yabba: A little after xmas 94, a swedish amiga magazine wrote an article about AMosaic :-Yabba: They basically said that it sucked bigtime and I thought that everything they wrote wasn't correct, so I wrote them an email :-Yabba: The reply I got was basically 'AMosaic is shit and nobody is working on it' :-Yabba: So I decided to write to Mike3 and ask them if I could join the team :(The three Mikes who developed AMosaic) -Yabba: 1 week later, I had access to the AMosaic sources :-Yabba: Harv: Yes, Michael Witbrock, Mike Meyer and Michael Fisher :go on.. :-Yabba: 2 months later we decided to write our own browser :-Yabba: since the licence deal with ncsa didn't allow us to make money on AMosaic :-Yabba: So Michael Fisher started on IBrowse and I worked on finishing AMosaic2.0 :-Yabba: When AMosaic2.0 was finished. I took over the main responsibility for IBrowse :-Yabba: I have been working on it ever since ;) :excellent thanks. :Okay.. so we all know there are three main browsers: IBrowse, AWeb and Voyager :-Yabba: (And they all lived happily ever after :) :Do you have any notion as to :the market % of each? or do you care? :-Yabba: 1st of all, I wrote IBrowse mainly because it was fun, not to make money or getmany users :-Yabba: So basically I don't care that much, but it is always nice to have many satisfied customers :-Izzi: how many? :well, IBrowse is a commercial product (with a crippled demo available). I hope you're making some money. :-Yabba: Izzi: About 5000-6000 registered users, many times more pirate copy and demo users :Not that anyone cares about my opinions :) but I own all three (registered) and IBrowse is, to me, clearly far superior to the other two (IMO only) :Okay, I guess let's take questions. Subject: IBrowse, it's current form, future plans, problems? bugs? pats on the back.. whatever. :Floyd - sorry, one more time ask your question. type "GA" when done which means "Go ahead" so we know when you're done. :or I can ask it for you.. I remember. :-Floyd: harv may I ask now? :yes. go. :-Floyd: Yabba is there a way to cache authorization beside the cache authorizationon login screen for pasword protected sites. :everyone - please enter "GA" when you are done with your question if you have t o type it on multiple lines. :-Yabba: Floyd: Cache in what ways? Cache on disk? :Yabba - when i log into http://amigazone.com it always brings up the logn reque ster even thought I have "cache auth." checked. every time. AWeb doesn't do thi s. I entered it once and never had to again. :I think that's what floyd is asking. :-Floyd: to save it so you dont have to keep reentering it, :-Izzi: Cookie? :amigazone.com doesn't send a cookie AFAIK. :-Yabba: Floyd: IBrowse2.0 has the option to save the authorizations to disk :sothe answer is, then, in 1.12a (or earlier) it doesn't save to disk so you hav e to enter it each time. :-Floyd: ok thanks :-Floyd: ga :okay.. who was next {scrolling back..} :cbrenner. go ahead. :-Cbrenner: Ok :anytime :) :-Cbrenner: Are you planning on implementing printing of graphics as well as text in the next version of IBrowse? :GA? :-Cbrenner: ga :-Yabba: Yes. Actually, I am the reason Voyager has printing capabilities. I and Stuntziworked out a solution to print webpages :(Stuntzi is Stefan Stuntz, author of MUI) :-Yabba: But I havn't had time how to figure out how to handle printer.device in different resolutions :-Yabba: ga :-Yabba: Oops :yabba, done? :-Yabba: Well, the answer is yes, I'll implement it asap ::) :Scott.. you have one? go ahead. :-Scottj: Is there any way for you to get together with the other browser... :-Scottj: programmers and define a plugin API so we dont need multiple versions of plugins? GA. :-Yabba: Scottj: Actually I have talked to Olli about this :-Yabba: His reply was 'Well, I might be interested' then I heard nothing more from him :-Yabba: Then he said to other people that he would copy my plugin API as soon as I released it :-Yabba: So that made me not very interested in working together with him :So do you three browser authors all have voodoo dolls of each other or what. :-Scottj: What about AWeb's author? :-Yabba: The current problem is that my plugin API is based on MUI classes and that would create problems with AWeb :-Yabba: and WebCruiser :-Scottj: Thanks. Stefan. :WebCruiser, a new browser coming out from Finale Dev. will also use ClassAct li ke AWeb does. :Izzi - go ahead with question :Izzi? yoo hoo :-Izzi: What is the current HTML version IB can understand (or is it in-between versions?) :-Izzi: ga :(btw, there is a good browser "torture test" at www.threetoad.com at least it w as there a while ago.. good way to benchmark browsers) :Yabba? Answer for izzi? :-Yabba: hold please :) : [intermission music..] :-Yabba: IBrowse does 'almost 3.2' atm :-Yabba: I am currently working on full 4.0 support including cascading style sheets :-Yabba: ga :-Izzi: what is(are) the major "missing" parts (if any) that you plan to add? :-Izzi: ga? :-Yabba: Mostly minor things :-Izzi: last one.. do you look at Netscape/IE for ideas or for neat interface things? :-Izzi: ga. :/harv okay.. who else has a question? just say "me" so I can call on you to avo id confusion. :Yabba? :-Yabba: Well sometime :-Yabba: Ie. the url completer :could you please explain the URL completer to those not familiar with it? :-Scottj: Can you turn that thing off? :heh :-Yabba: But the multiple back menu (rmb on the back button) was an idea NS took from us:) :-Yabba: Scottj: Yes,'Enable urlcompleter' in general prefs :I love that feature but sometimes the URL completer drives me nuts. :-Izzi: (ie. if you want to go back to amigazone.com you start typing a... & it will bring up the first match) :-Scottj: Thanks. :okay, who else has a question. send a "me" so I can call on you :-Yabba: The url completer tries to make a qualified guess what url you want to type based on the latest typed urls :-Izzi: curious, why do people hate that? :-Nancy: send harv me :-Nancy: me :-Nancy: oops :-Scottj: And ita annoying as hell. :well suppose I just entered "www.blah.blah.com/hello/there/how/are/you" :and now i want to enter "www.blah.blah2.com/hello/there/how/are/you" :I have to do a lot of backspacing to get where teh "2" goes. :-Yabba: Harv: Try alt backspace ;) :i understand what it's supposed to do but it seems like I'm fighting with it a lot. :-Izzi: In netscape you start typing www.blah... it will pull that up, at the first non-match it will clear field. :oh. ALT backspace. thanks. d'oh! :-Scottj: Same here. :RTFM harv. :-Yabba: Harv: alt-backspace is the same as prev word. And a word separator is both space AND a '/' in the url string :Okay, thanks. Nancy, go ahead with your question. :-Nancy: What are your plans to add Java and/or Java Script support... :ahh.. the $64,000 question :-Nancy: ..and are there plans to produce a non mui version of IBrowse? :-Nancy: ga :-Yabba: Nancy: JavaScript (or rather ECMA Script) is done. I just have to put in support inside IBrowse for it :-Yabba: (it was done as a shared library) :-Yabba: Java support depends on the Java porting efforts made by several people :-Yabba: ie. FinaleDev/H&P :-Izzi: (Like Gateway maybe? :) ) :-Yabba: Yeah :) :-Yabba: ga :and Nancy's "non MUI version"question? :-Yabba: Oops, I didn't see that one :-Yabba: No, there are no plans to do a non mui IBrowse :Okay, I have a cpl of short questions.. (but I type very fast ;) :a) i usually run IB with graphics loding off :(and i use the internal decoders, not dtypes) :every day I visit cnn.com :i have 10 net connections in IB :sockets? whatever. :the page loads.. :then I hit the load graphics button :ALL the graphics load except the last few on their page. :every time. without fail. :why? :ga :if i hit graphics load button AGAIN, the last few will load. :-Yabba: Harv: Do you get error icons? :but they NEVER load the first time. :no :no errors ever on cnn.com :howver.. :i mainly stil use mlink (so whip me) could it be an mlink problem when it has m ore than x number of sockets open? :-Scottj: I have same problem with Termite TCP & Miami, Harv. :-Yabba: Harv: What msg do you get if you hold the mouse still over an image that didn'tload? :wow. okay so it's not me and it's not mlink. :yabba, without clicking? i get the usual balloon telling me what the name is. :I think. :-Yabba: Harv: You should get an error message :or i can right click for the popup menu, select 'load' and they load fine. :-Yabba: Harv: Is this 100% reproducable? :yes :happens every time. without fail. evey day. :has for months. :-Yabba: Harv: Good, I'll sort this out with you later, ok? :i don't get the little "error" graphic. the last 2 or 3 inlines just don't load the first time. :okay thanks. :-Scottj: I get an endless page loading message. :okay my 2nd question: :b) up until 1.12a mailto: links in ib worked fine with mlink :since 1.12a when i click on a mailto link, the mail requester opens.. :i enter my stuff and hit send, :i get "unable to open bsdsocket.library or other appropriate blah blah" every t ime. :I know you releaed 1.12 without mlink support, and then you added it back in. m aybe you forgot something? :( ga :hi stone. :-Stone: hi Harv :-Yabba: Harv: Hm, it looks like something broke there. I'll check it out :-Cbrenner: Harv, can I ask another question? :okay thanks. I can't think of anything else right now. Any other questions? y es go ahead CB. :-Cbrenner: ok :-Cbrenner: The text gadgets in IBrowse will let you highlight text with the mouse and thenreplace that text by simply typing on the keyboard. Sometimes this is easier than using [Right Amiga] X. Is this a feature of MUI, or is this something you implemented? :-Cbrenner: ga :-Yabba: Cbrenner: It is a new string gadget class called 'NewString' which is a MUI custom class written by R|diger Sopp :-Cbrenner: OK, I was wondering if it could be implemented system wide. ga :-Yabba: Cbrenner: Probably, but not without alot of hacking :I have another question but will defer to the paying customers. Anyone else ha ve a question for the author of IBrowse? If so say "me" :-Floyd: are you going to add internal png graphic support to internal decoders? :If not, I will. :do any web sites actually use PNG? :-Izzi: not a whole lot if any. :-Yabba: Harv: Just a few :-Yabba: Harv: Alot less than 0.01% I guess :-Izzi: not supported natively in IE or Netscape. :It was supposed to replace GIf cuz of all that CI$/Unisys bull wasn't it? So m uch for that plan. :-Scottj: Stefan, any idea as to when Ibrowse 2.0 will ship? And the cost? GA? :-Izzi: like trying to switch to metric, eh? :) :heh :-Yabba: Harv: The major reason why it didn't is that CI$/Unisys didn't enforce their patent :Everyone uses GIF. all the big name sites do - cnn, c|net, all of them. it's no t going away. :-Yabba: Scottj: I have no idea :( :Yabba - okay you may not have a ship date, but can you spill the beans on some of IB 2.0's new features for us here? ga :-Softlogik: What's the advantage of PNG? :-Scottj: Dont you know? You are the programmer. :You already mentioned JavaScript.. what else do you have planned? :Scott - but he's not the marketing side. They control releases. :-Izzi: Yabba: what do you write it in and has the lack of support or upgrades to it hinder you in any way? :kevin the main advantage is that it's free. :-Izzi: Soft: it's suppoesed to 16bit colour & higher compression than normal GIF :-Izzi: and free :-Yabba: Harv: IBrowse 2 will have plugins, JavaScript, Printing, PNG... :-Yabba: Izzi: I write it in SAS/C and Steve and the other guys has been very helpful trying to solve 060 and other problems :Steve Krueger, one of the SAS guys who still knows how to say "Amiga" :-Izzi: "Omeh-ga?" :I have another question, Yabba, about chip ram uses. both my machines have 2 me g chip.. and plenty of fast.. however... :IB after going to a lot of sites and loading a lot of graphics.. :-Yabba: Harv: Wait and see :))) :sometimes eats it all up down to 100k or less.. :such that i can't even open requesters till i flush inlines. :Somehow Olli made V not do this. What's the solution? ga. :-Izzi: (Yabba: what was that "Wait and see" comment?? New C coming out???) :was the "wait and see" to me? or about the izzi question? :) :-Yabba: Harv: Olli doesn't cache images :-Yabba: Harv: It decodes them every time :so V is horribly slow. :(except olli's pals won't admit it) :-Yabba: Harv: I have implemented fast mem buffering which allows you to store the images in fastram (and making it faster than AGA;) :this is for 2.0? :-Yabba: Harv: Yes :excellent! :Okay.. one last question from me.. :I often go to sites and load big pictures.. :-Izzi: XXX sites. :) :My ib disk cache is 2 meg :well.. let's just say "sites with good pictures" :) :... :I want to save a pic to disk. :in a dir. :so i right click. :pop up menu :"save image to disk" :sometimes IBrowse copies it from the cache. bang. boom. requester opens and clo ses like that. bang. :Yabba has just vanished without a trace! :argh! :-Izzi: boom. : [intermission music..] :-Floyd: bang -Izzi: "Nothing is wrong... but we are fixing it" :-Rabel1: Later All! :-Moxee: am I the only one who has to keep making key presses every 15 min :nite randy :Rabel1 has just left the chat room. :-Softlogik: [flush[] :-Izzi: Mox: yes. :moxee.. change your cr/lf setting. that's not normal. :whatever they are set to, set them "the other way" :-Moxee: ok have you noticed :-Floyd: noticed what? :someone check the tv.. see if a nuke went off in sweden :-Moxee: my key presses :no :wereyou typing anything or just hitting return or what? Yabba has just entered the chat room. :-Moxee: i hit /w :-Yabba: re :-Scottj: I have a problem with IB. If I run a program which opens a screen...before I run IB then I lose all the screens except for IB. :-Yabba: Something shut down my connection :( :welcome back yabba. were you following me? sometimes IB copies from cache to di r, sometimes it goes out on the modem and downloads the image again. any reason ? ga. :-Floyd: that only shows on your page. mox :-Yabba: Harv: Well, that is a bug in IBrowse :-Floyd: re yabba :yabba! a bug!?!? wow! i thought I was crazy! thanks. it's been driving me nuts trying to figure out why :) :-Yabba: Scottj: What do you mean? I don't get it :-Scottj: I mean I get a totally blank, light gray screen on all the other screen's except for IB's. :-Yabba: Scottj: Huh! I have never heard of that before :graphics card? AGA? :-Scottj: I have to reboot to get Workbench and my other screens. :-Scottj: 'Cybervision 64. :-Yabba: Scottj: Which version of CyberGfx? :-Scottj: 16 bit screen. Doesnt happern with Voyager. :-Scottj: Cgx 2.25 :-Yabba: Scottj: Try with 3.0 and see if it happens there too :-Scottj: Ok. :Any other questions for Stefan? :Stone has just vanished without a trace! ::/ :no one? anyone? :-Scottj: Will the IB image decodes be improved? :-Scottj: decodes=decoders. :-Yabba: Scottj: In what ways? -Scottj: IB gives the error icon on images that Voy & Aweb decode just fine. :-Yabba: Such as? :-Yabba: Scottj: What error messages? :-Izzi: Yabba: have you (or will you) be in contact with Amiga Int'l?? :-Yabba: Izzi: Maybe :-Scottj: The error icon IB puts up when it cant decode a gif or jpeg. :-Yabba: Scottj: I you rest the mouse pointer over an error image, a helpbubble will popup with the error message :-Scottj: Didnt know that. Had the annoying bubble help turned off. :scott ahha.mui help bubbles can actually be useful sometimes :) :ya gotta play with their timing a bit. :-Scottj: The annoyance factor far outweights the help, Harv. :set them to not pop up for like oh.. 2 seconds is what I think I use. :-Cbrenner: I have another question for Yabba... :then they don't blast at you until you purposesly pause the mouse somewhere. :okay CB, go right ahead. :-Cbrenner: Does 2.0 handle the news: links? :-Cbrenner: ga :ahh.. the other $64,000 question :) :-Yabba: Harv: Not decided yet :How about SSL? Seems we can get into some HTTPS: pages but others say "go away you aren't secure" :ga :-Yabba: Harv: That's places who are checking for NSN or IE :-Nancy: I have a couple of questions.... :Go ahead, nancy. send a "ga" when done. :-Nancy: Will there support for T/TCP? :-Nancy: When will the demo of 2.0 be out. :-Nancy: ga :-Yabba: Nancy: There IS support for T/TCP :-Izzi: T/TCP? :-Nancy: oh :-Yabba: Nancy: And the 2.0 demo will be out shortly after 2.0 is shipping :-Moxee: huh? :-Scottj: Will there be any more updates to version 1 of IB? Also are you going to add Mozilla spoofing like Voy? : by T/TCP do you mean termite? :-Yabba: Scottj: There will be an 1.2 update, and there might be a Mozilla spoof option :-Scottj: And what about this dynamic HTML? :-Yabba: T/TCP means transition tcp which is a way to connect faster to servers :oh. sorry. {stupid mode off} :-Yabba: Scottj: Well, if they settle on a standard, maybe :-Scottj: Any idea when 1.2 patch will be out? :-Moxee: Harv I thought the same thing. :-Izzi: Yabba: What are your thoughts on Harv? (don't hold back) :) :-Yabba: Scottj: In 1 month maybe :Q: Yabba.. what if anything have you heard about some of the plugins we don't h ave.. I am mainly interested in Real Audio, of course. Do you know any inside d oings that might bring it to us? :-Yabba: Izzi: No comments :-Izzi: :) :-Scottj: Thanks. :-Izzi: <-- listening to RA now. :) :Yabba - surely as the author of the #1 browser, Gateway has talked to you? (I h ope they know who you are). :-Yabba: Harv: Well, I have been trying to get RealAudio support for over 1 year, but the people at progressive are plain idiots! :-Yabba: Harv: They don't even respond to emails :Yabba - yes but they know gateway, and gateway has money bags.. :so lean on them! :) :-Yabba: Harv: No, gateway hasn't talked to me :-Izzi: (23 meg down the pipe in 4 hours) :Yabba.. :on browserwatch.com :-Cbrenner: I asked progressive about RA for Amiga. They told me to buy an IBM. :are some entries for "Netscape Amiga" running in AmigaOS 3.5. do you know anyth ing about this? is it real? fake? any ideas? :-Yabba: Harv: That's faked useragent strings :BTW, progressive networks changed their name to real networks. :-Izzi: note: they are not known as progressive anymore. They are known as RealNetworks now. :-Yabba: Harv: It is dead easy to do that, just use a hex editor :Yabba.. okay so you are 100% convinced it's faked, and someone inside GW2K does n't have a netscape beta then. :-Yabba: Harv: NSN would run on a normal Amiga anyway :huh? :-Scottj: Any plans for a Powerpc port? :-Izzi: would or wouldn't? :OH, and when you finish Real Audio, I'd also like QuickTimeVR. thank you :) :-Yabba: Harv: NSN wouldn't run on a normal Amiga anyway :Well, Netscape has just lost the Mac market,thanks to Steve Jobs jumpingi nto b ed with Bill.. so perhaps they know what an Amiga is now? :-Izzi: Harv: I doubt it.. just like people who get IE with Windoze95 still grab Netscape now. :-Yabba: Scottj: Parts of it will be ported to PPC :I hate to say this but I was playing with IE 4.0 today and some of it is fairly sexy stuff. Although I have to hold my nose when I use it. :Softlogik just pretendded he didn't hear that! ::( :-Izzi: Harv: some of that stuff (the good stuff) was copied into netscape 4 & improved. :and I did wash my hands when I was done. :-Izzi: I really like the moveable bars along the top.. allow more space for content. :Any more questions for Mr. IBrowse? :-Scottj: Yep :go ahead scott. :-Scottj: What plugins can we expect for 2.0? -Izzi: Yabba: what are your feelings toward AmigaZone & would you be willing to sign up? :) (or at least make it the default homepage for IB?) :-Yabba: Scottj: Mpeg video, VRML, QuickTime :-Scottj: That's great. :-Yabba: Izzi: Well, AmigaZone is cool, but I prefer Irc;) :-Floyd: yabba this is off the subject but since you have a CV64/3d maybe you have experienced this problem with older software :-Floyd: I get an 80000005 error when I run vista pro? :-Floyd: both 2&3 :-Yabba: I have never tried VistaPro on a CV3d :-Scottj: This was discussed in the Cgx mailing list recently. Look there Floyd. :-Izzi: Yabba: do you distribute a default collection of bookmarks with IB? If not, would you? :-Floyd: ok thanks anyway just thought I would ask. :-Cbrenner: Maybe Vista Pro is assuming the bitmaps are in chip ram? :-Yabba: #defineACPU_DivZero0x80000005/* Divide by zero */ :-Floyd: yep that is it. :-Yabba: Izzi: There is a default collection :-Izzi: Yabba: is AmigaZone part of it?? :-Scottj: Is 2.0 faster than version 1? :-Yabba: Izzi: No :-Yabba: Scottj: Yes :-Scottj: By how much? :-Izzi: Yabba: How about adding it? :) :-Yabba: Scottj: Exactly 3.72 times faster :-Yabba: Scottj: ie. It is impossible to give a figure :-Scottj: Wow. How did you manage the speedup? :-Scottj: Ooops. :Izzi - Gateway doesn't listen to yabba, and Yabba doesn't listen to me :) :-Izzi: Harv: nobody listens to you. :) :well at least it's consistant. :-Yabba: Scottj: The html parse might be about 4 times faster when I am done with it :-Scottj: Will version 2.0 be able to save a web page and strip out the HTML? :-Yabba: Scottj: Yes :-Floyd: I listen then do it my way!:) :[save as plaint text] Yabba - look at HTTX. that's the best HTML stripper I've ever seen and the one I always use. :-Scottj: Will 2.0 be available this year? :Yabba, you might like IRC but at least you'll notice you get (mainly) pretty i ntelligent questions here :) :on IRC you get a lot of kicking and banning and nonsense. :Izzi just banned you! :oww. :-Yabba: ping? :-Izzi: pong? :no ping. :-Yabba: Scottj: It should be out this yeatr :Yabba - where do your demo vers. usually show up first? Omnipresence? Hisoft? A minet? :-Scottj: I was worried we'd have to wait until next year. :-Izzi: Yabba: how long do you see working on IB? :-Yabba: Harv: Hisoft and Omnipresence :ok :-Yabba: Izzi: Well, another year at least :Do the three mikes still work on it? or is it mostly all yours now? :-Yabba: Harv: Currenly I am the only developer :hmm.. :interesting.. :you're doing alone what netscrape and micro$oft probably have hundreds of peopl e doing. :-Scottj: How do you manage to go to school and work on IB? :-Floyd: is there a reason behind the demo version of ib1.12 not coming with the new strings files? :-Izzi: Yabba: what are your thoughts on the current amiga situation and what would YOU like to see from them? :-Yabba: Scottj: It is hard, but I can manage :) :okay.. stop andlet's let him answer.. :-Yabba: Floyd: No, it was my mistake not to include it :Izzi just shone spotlight on Yabba! :-Floyd: oh :Yabba needs hundreds of IBrowse coders, in cubicles. :-Yabba: Izzi: I have no comments right now about the current/future amiga situation. :-Floyd: :) :-Izzi: Yabba: when would you comment? :-Yabba: Izzi: After devcon in cologne :Well I hope that GW wakes up and starts talking to you. Your product is too im portant for them to ignore you. :any more questions? :-Scottj: Yep :go ahead scott. :) :-Floyd: maybe amiga inc/amiga intnl will contract him hopefully.:) :-Izzi: Yabba: you getting paid to appear here and would you be willing to come back? :) :he's getting paid by all this free consumer research he's getting :) :-Scottj: Will you write a separate News and/or email program or will you build this intoIB? :-Yabba: Harv: well, at least I got a free amigazone account :) ::) :-Yabba: Scottj: It will be built into IBrowse using the plugin API :-Softlogik: nit :nite kevin! :Softlogik has just left the chat room. :I think he answered all of my burning questions. At least now I know they were bugs and not insanity. :-Yabba: Harv: Does this mean that I can go to sleep now? :-) :IBrowse is a terrific product and just keeps getting better. Thanks for doing this, Stefan. :[applause] :Izzi just clapped! :-Floyd: thanks :-Moxee: thanks :Floyd just clapped! :-Yabba: Thanks for letting me join and talk to you all! :-Scottj: Yes. Thanks for appearing. :come back anytime. And docheck out the web interface at http://amigazone.com :(and think about adding www.amigazone.com to the default hotlist ;) :Yabba has just vanished without a trace! :that was fun :) :thanks for the good questions, folks. :-Scottj: Not again. :no, he left for real. :-Floyd: moxee isnt it past your bedtime? :-Scottj: Oh. :it's like 5am in sweden. :Yabba has just entered the chat room. :-Yabba: re :-Moxee: it sure is :-Floyd: re :whoops he's back :) :-Yabba: My modem hung up :( :thought you left for real Yabba. :-Yabba: Did I miss something? :nope. :damn modems. :I think we're pretty much done and you can go to sleep. :you justmissed the [applause] :Floyd just clapped and whistled! :-Yabba: Hm,It wasn't the modem. I just noticed that I have been online 3 hours (that'smy isp's limit) :eeek a limit? :Gsarff has just vanished without a trace! :damn ISPs :yabba, btw, your English is excellent. :-Scottj: They place online time limits even when you are doing something? :-Izzi: some (a lot) do. :-Izzi: round here anywho :hmm.. ridiculous. :-Scottj: Not here than God. :-Moxee: Mine is unlimited :-Izzi: I am unlimited now. :-Yabba: Harv: Thanks :) :-Scottj: Has 2.0 entered beta testing yet? :well most are unlimited but some, like this netcom shell, will kick me off with no keyboard input after 10 minutes. -Yabba: Harv: I have had alot of practice :) :-Nancy: nite all :nite nancy! :-Yabba: Nite nancy :Nancy has just left the chat room. :Floyd just bowed to yabba! :-Yabba: Scottj: Some parts of it :-Izzi: Yabba: what are your career plans?? :-Yabba: Izzi: Dunno. Maybe hardware design for some company [..edited chat transcript ends] Copyright 1997, The AmigaZone. All rights reseved.