From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 1 00:20:21 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16423 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA09371 for amos-out; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09368 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post7.tele.dk (post7.tele.dk [194.239.134.170]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14199 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post7.tele.dk ([194.239.129.72]) by post7.tele.dk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA29610 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:22:01 +0100 From: Henrik Andreasen To: Amos ML Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 00:14:37 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: A.W.O.L. Subject: Re: Wanna Test ?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 31-Jul-97, Jens Vang Petersen wrote: >Hi >I've got a save-game editor for PremierManager 3-AGA ready, If there are >anyone outhere who'd like to check it out, then please drop me a note.. Can I have it? Please Just mail it to larsa@post7.tele.dk Henrik -- larsa@post7.tele.dk Member of *Team Amiga* http://home7.inet.tele.dk/larsa/index.html PGP key available on request!!! From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 1 06:28:39 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA06057 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 06:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA24034 for amos-out; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 03:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA24025 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 03:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA17816 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 03:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29020 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1997 07:08:09 -0000 Received: from lp3-2.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.86.194) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 1997 07:08:09 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:04:55 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Postings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-Status: Im posting the articles now, I have sent a few of them off. I can recover them with my AREXX script and newsagent, just wanted to know if anyone else can Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 1 08:47:56 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08953 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA27325 for amos-out; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 07:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27322 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 07:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (relay-15.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.9]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA18491 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 07:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0620576; 1 Aug 97 11:03 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA000tx; Thu, 31 Jul 97 23:45:23 GMT Date: Thu, 31 Jul 97 23:45:23 GMT Message-Id: <9707312345.AA000tw@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24d4e491.u8t20e.a69ee-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from Peter Cahill ) (at Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:56:37 +0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: List Game Betas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id HAA27323 Status: RO X-Status: To the one known as Peter, > PS: Why does Keith Hill *ALWAYS* send his mail twice (reading it once is > enough) Hey, its not ALWAYS... For example, this message will only appear once. (If this one appears twice, there is something REALLY wierd wrong) ..as to when it does, its due to an inconsistancy in the client/server software, which I am currently unable to fix without totally rewriting it and breaking all existing software, which I'd prefer not to do. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "If you kill a vampire with Chinese food, |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | is he undead again an hour later ?" | - She Wolf of London --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 1 19:55:48 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23158 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA01716 for amos-out; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01702 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA16081 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id aa0018475; 1 Aug 97 23:25 MET DST Date: 31 Jul 97 22:00:02 -0500 From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Re: Eh? To: Amos ML In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <579.7151T1320T140@lobster.demon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: THOR 2.4 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Status: O X-Status: On 30-Jul-97 14:48:01 Jens Vang Petersen wrote something about Re: Eh?. >>with the original message back. Which is slightly worrying. >>So, er, is anyone getting this? >^Looks like I am :-))) If anyone wants to get a lot of mail, I just found the way to get it :) Thank you all for sussing this little 'problem'. The problems seem fixed now. ________________________ ( ) \_ Evert-Jan Slypen? / \||||/ o\___________________/ ([Oo]) . \()/ Grtz! ----oOo----oOo----- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 1 20:19:19 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25447 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA01732 for amos-out; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01719 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02748 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id ag0018475; 1 Aug 97 23:25 MET DST Date: 31 Jul 97 22:41:15 -0500 From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Re: Screen Effects To: Amos ML In-Reply-To: <199707310244.TAA08200@m9.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <987.7151T1361T793@lobster.demon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: THOR 2.4 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Status: O X-Status: On 30-Jul-97 21:41:10 Dave Paterson wrote something about Screen Effects. >1. I've heard rumours of an AGA extension, is this true? how compliant is >it? >Does it/will it handle AGA anims? Well, as you might have gathered from my rather gloomy message I just wrote; yes, there is going to be an AGA extension. Yes, it will handle AGA anims. It has all the commands you'll need plus some cool Stars commands to keep the legacy alive that every extension must have some starfield commands. :) It also has online help about all the new commands. The development is taking a little longer because the programmer is on vacation, and we are trying to make this thing as good as possible. And no, the programmer is not Jim Drew, before anyone gets witty. ;) ________________________ ( ) \_ Evert-Jan Slypen? / \||||/ o\___________________/ ([Oo]) . \()/ Grtz! ----oOo----oOo----- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 1 11:46:56 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24564 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06115 for amos-out; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06108 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from matrix.multiboard.com (root@matrix.multiboard.com [204.191.68.100]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09328 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:04:59 -0400 (EDT) From: chrisevans@cubic.xg.com Received: from cubic.xg.com (multib@localhost) by matrix.multiboard.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with UUCP id KAA08637 for amos-list@access.digex.net; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:05:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: matrix.multiboard.com: multib set sender to cubic.xg.com!chrisevans using -f Received: by bbs.multiboard.com (IG 1.0+ sn 1) via UUCP id A30A9; 01 Aug 1997 10:00:36 -0500 Date: 01 Aug 97 08:50:00 -0500 Subject: for Evert-Jan To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-ID: <0870429636002a30a9@bbs.multiboard.com> Organization: Cubic BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario +15196336357 Status: O X-Status: > So, er, is anyone getting this? Yup, that came through. -Chris. /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | The views of the author are not of the originating system | \_______________________________________________________________/ Email: chrisevans@cubic.xg.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 1 15:34:42 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22226 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA21867 for amos-out; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21864 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailb.telia.com (mailb.telia.com [194.22.194.6]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02341 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d1o8.telia.com (root@d1o8.telia.com [194.236.184.241]) by mailb.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21866 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 18:41:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lund.mail.telia.com (u46102785@t4o8p9.telia.com [194.236.184.61]) by d1o8.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA00255 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 18:41:57 +0200 (MET DST) From: Max Carlin Nilsson To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 15:40:53 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Please Help Me!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id MAA21865 Status: RO X-Status: Hi! I'we got my version of AMOS today! So.. I would like to learn some Amos... are there any good tutorial texts on the Internet? Where?? (It would be good if there where any in Swedish!) And one more question; I know that Amos editor don't multitasks, but there is a button named "WB" in the right corner of the editor, when i push that button I come back to the workbench, BUT how do I do to get back to the Amos editor??? Thanks every one! Great Mailinglist! I hope I get good answers from some Amos Wiz... :-) -- _ _ _ _ _ . / \/ \ a x (_ a r l i n / \/ I l s s o n E-mail: max.carlin.nilsson@lund.mail.telia.com BBS: + 46 (0)46 12 88 82 (Open 18.00-23.00) Homepage: http://hem1.passagen.se/mcn From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 1 12:48:51 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03158 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02859 for amos-out; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02854 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07580 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp5-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.54]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA26996 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:50:56 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:51:22 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: MODs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: EJ: I'd rather you left the music in MOD format. I looked at the doom extension, didn't like it, don't intend to use it. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 1 12:46:18 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05015 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA07213 for amos-out; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07210 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA18625 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26561 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1997 14:24:10 -0000 Received: from lp3-29.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.86.221) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 1997 14:24:10 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: John Bintz CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 10:20:55 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Newsgroup Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: John Bintz scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 01-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: Newsgroup Update: > On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Mush wrote: > > Only problem i had was John Bintz's sig, drove my antispammer crazy!! > > Still, its sorted now. > WHat'w wrong with it? It only has a bunch of *s and @s and #s! It detects the @ character in a line of text, and did checks around it to make sure it was a legal email address (just looked for spaces), and so was adding .RemoveThisPart. after each occurence of the @ char! I have now made a list of illegal characters to check for on either side, mainly ones used for sig pics etc. Its fixed now. =) Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 1 19:54:42 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23080 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21090 for amos-out; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21087 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28007 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19940; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:59:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA14746; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:57:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA19285; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:57:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:57:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: "Mr. Giark To You" cc: AMOS List Subject: Re: MODs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Giark, What gives? From what I read the doom extension rocks hard, but you say it's junk, why? Thanks, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 1 20:20:19 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25507 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA00299 for amos-out; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 16:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00290 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 16:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28896 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 16:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23452; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:43:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA21334; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:42:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA22021; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:42:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:42:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Max Carlin Nilsson cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Please Help Me!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Max, You are in better shape than you know, the Amos Editor does multitask, as will all Amos Programs, just hit right-Amiga + a to flip between the editor and the desktop. Also Mushy has a really great Amos Home-page (the reason I stopped work on mine ;) goto http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk and look under his tutorials section, I've never tried them but proportedly there is a really good basic tutorial prog. you can get there, it's said to go through lots of the commands with syntax and examples. Oh and it sounds like maybe you've got Amos_Pro, if so the online help which you can access through one of the menus is great, it's basically the manual with a browser. As for things being in Swedish, I can't help you there, maybe somebody else form the list knows of such a thing. (guys?) Ah but speakng of Sweden are you by chance a Matts Sundin fan? Thanks, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 1 20:23:06 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25725 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20071 for amos-out; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20068 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA26902 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21436 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1997 19:52:36 -0000 Received: from herp1-6.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.134) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 1997 19:52:36 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Max Carlin Nilsson CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 15:49:21 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Please Help Me!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Max Carlin Nilsson scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 01-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Please Help Me!!!: > Hi! I'we got my version of AMOS today! So.. I would like to learn some Amos... > are there any good tutorial texts on the Internet? Where?? (It would be good > if there where any in Swedish!) I have the worlds largest AMOS PD library, packed with tonnes of programs/source/games/utilities that are freely available to anyone. There are also some tutorials, which will soon be increased if people send me some they have been working on ;) The URL is http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk/index.html and the site also has a massive FTP site linked to it. Please feel free to call in any time. > And one more question; I know that Amos editor don't multitasks, but there is > a button named "WB" in the right corner of the editor, when i push that button > I come back to the workbench, BUT how do I do to get back to the Amos > editor??? Simple, hit the left-Amiga key (black A key on left of spacebar) followed by A and it will take you back. The same method also does the same as the WB button, to make it easier. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 1 20:44:17 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18598 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA07152 for amos-out; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07149 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA27737 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7040 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1997 23:11:13 -0000 Received: from lp1-22.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.83.86) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 1997 23:11:13 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 19:07:59 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Crippling Programs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: This is an interesting subject, as it will affect all programmers interested in releasing software. Whats the best way to cripple a program? What I mean is, is it best to remove all of the good stuff, or leave all of it in. What do you and dont cripple. Ive often discarded software because too much of it is crippled. What are evryones opinions on this. I'd like everyone to make comment, as to what you would cripple in a program you would release Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 1 22:29:47 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA20286 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 22:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA13879 for amos-out; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 21:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13876 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 21:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ozemail.com.au (server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net [203.108.7.41]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20891 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 21:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oznet07.ozemail.com.au (oznet07.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.122]) by ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA20535 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:17:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from archie (per1-39.space.net.au [203.38.10.215]) by oznet07.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA17188 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:17:45 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <33E28A3D.2ED@ozemail.com.au> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 09:15:42 +0800 From: Andrew Hawkins Organization: GeoSync Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Crippling Programs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Mush wrote: > Whats the best way to cripple a program? > > What I mean is, is it best to remove all of the good stuff, or leave all of > it in. What do you and dont cripple. > > Ive often discarded software because too much of it is crippled. What are > evryones opinions on this. I'd like everyone to make comment, as to what > you would cripple in a program you would release Well in StarFighter I crippled the choice of ships which immediately cuts the game down to 1/7th its potential. Having a timer is another one but I don`t like this too much. Giving the player 1 or 2 levels is another. Cutting out abilities like if you have a car racing game, stopping the player from upgrading is a good one. The trick is to know where to stop. Like if I wanted to I could have released 10 missions in the demo of SF but it`s giving too much away for free. Basically stopping the player from seeing too much or getting too far is the best strategy but it may not apply to all games, as seeing what the game has might sell it. If you want the player to see all the good stuff, put a time limit on it, and disable save options. If you want the player to taste some arcade action only give them 2 levels. But this is all opinion and sometimes none of this is applicable. Look at DOOM or TERMINAL VELOCITY. Both give you 1/3 of the full game with everything working. Still people went out and bought the full game. I think you have to implant in the players mind, "Imagine what it would be like if you bought the full game". Use that as a guide, and allow as much as you can without giving it all away. Cheers crew :) Andy H GSM From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 1 20:07:53 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24577 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19159 for amos-out; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19156 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpt6.stm.tudelft.nl (cpt6.stm.tudelft.nl [130.161.247.6]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA22095 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708011933.PAA22095@mail1.access.digex.net> Received: by cpt6.stm.tudelft.nl (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA07535; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 21:34:35 +0200 From: "Maarten D. de Jong" Subject: Re: Please Help Me!!! To: max.carlin.nilsson@lund.mail.telia.com Date: Fri, 1 Aug 97 21:34:35 METDST Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: ; from "Max Carlin Nilsson" at Aug 01, 97 3:40 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: O X-Status: > > Hi! I'we got my version of AMOS today! So.. I would like to learn some Amos... are there any good tutorial texts on the Internet? Where?? (It would be good if there where any in Swedish!) > And one more question; I know that Amos editor don't multitasks, but there is a button named "WB" in the right corner of the editor, when i push that button I come back to the workbench, BUT how do I do to get back to the Amos editor??? Left-Amiga/A. Tutorials for AMOS... Wow. That's a toughie. I think the best you can do is try to get hold of a (old, by now) book outlining the pricinples of standard BASIC (Qbasic will do nicely). In addition, get the Amiga Game Maker's Manual by Stephen Hill or Mastering Amiga AMOS by ... (someone :)). Those three will keep you occupied for a long time, but I admit, it's not for free! And you have the Mailing list to fall back on in case of trouble, of course.. Good luck! Maarten -- ****************************************************************************** * Bad command. BAD command!! Sit! Stay! Staaayyy.... * ****************************************************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 2 03:59:57 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA02373 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 03:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA19779 for amos-out; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA19776 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA10933 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26912 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1997 05:35:35 -0000 Received: from herp1-46.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.174) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 1997 05:35:35 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Scott Douglas Matott , "Mr. Giark To You" CC: AMOS List Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 01:32:19 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: MODs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Scott Douglas Matott scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 01-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: MODs: > Giark, > What gives? From what I read the doom extension rocks hard, but > you say it's junk, why? The DOOM Music extension is a nice extension, but it has some bad points. One of which, was it kept crashing upon exiting of certain module formats. I have in fact updated the version in my library some time ago, in fact, about 4 days after I first got it. Plus, I dont like the fact that it has to have all the external libraries, as that is a lot of messing around, especially to someone not at all familiar with LIBS: and who trys to run a game off floppy who booted from HD. I dont hate this extension, in fact what ive seen it is good, but its just the libraries and the slight crashing that bothers me. It also crashes when exiting from playing a PSID file too =( Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 2 04:27:52 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA04413 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 04:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA19787 for amos-out; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA19784 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA21413 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27433 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1997 05:39:14 -0000 Received: from herp1-46.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.174) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 1997 05:39:14 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Scott Douglas Matott , Max Carlin Nilsson CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 01:35:58 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Please Help Me!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Scott Douglas Matott scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 01-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: Please Help Me!!!: > to flip between the editor and the desktop. Also Mushy has a really > great Amos Home-page (the reason I stopped work on mine ;) > goto > http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk > and look under his tutorials section, I've never tried them but > proportedly there is a really good basic tutorial prog. you can get > there, it's said to go through lots of the commands with syntax and > examples. Wow, thanks for the comments. The examples cover certain topics in AMOS, have full examples and detailed documentation as you say. Oh, did I forget to mention I NEED MORE TUTORIALS as the page hasnt been updated for a while. Did anyone put any cool ones together. Whatever happened to the Screen FX tutorial someone was doing a while back. > Oh and it sounds like maybe you've got Amos_Pro, if so the > online help which you can access through one of the menus is great, it's > basically the manual with a browser. As for things being in Swedish, I > can't help you there, maybe somebody else form the list knows of such a > thing. (guys?) Ah but speakng of Sweden are you by chance a Matts Sundin > fan? If its the coverdisk version, then there is no online help, it wasnt implemented very well and didnt come with the disk for it. It is a good thing to have. Matts Sundin, never heard of him! Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 2 04:37:58 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA05422 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 04:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA19821 for amos-out; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA19818 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA22437 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29682 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1997 05:53:05 -0000 Received: from herp1-46.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.174) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 1997 05:53:05 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Andrew Hawkins CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 01:49:49 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33E28A3D.2ED@ozemail.com.au> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Crippling Programs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Andrew Hawkins scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 01-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: Crippling Programs: > Well in StarFighter I crippled the choice of ships which immediately > cuts the game down to 1/7th its potential. Having a timer is another > one but I don`t like this too much. Giving the player 1 or 2 levels is > another. Cutting out abilities like if you have a car racing game, > stopping the player from upgrading is a good one. The trick is to know > where to stop. Like if I wanted to I could have released 10 missions in > the demo of SF but it`s giving too much away for free. Yes, I agree. The whole point, is to intice the player/user into something spectacular, yet just hold them on that edge which allows then to do the thing that they wanted the program for most. Disabling the SAVE option is not always a good thing. For example, this Bobclip program (of which ive tried to ddownload 5 times and the path is still bad) has SAVE disabled, so you could in fact grab a nice set of bobs, and never be able to save them to test them inside your programs. This is not a good idea, as for all you know, the program could seriously mess up during saving etc. > Basically stopping the player from seeing too much or getting too far is > the best strategy but it may not apply to all games, as seeing what the > game has might sell it. Yes, but if you finish the level, you could always have a rolling demo, or at least screenshots, or just a tiny timer to play for something like 30 seconds. Limiting serious firepower is good in fighting games, as you are sure as hell not going to get far till you update. > If you want the player to see all the good stuff, put a time limit on > it, and disable save options. If you want the player to taste some > arcade action only give them 2 levels. But this is all opinion and > sometimes none of this is applicable. Look at DOOM or TERMINAL > VELOCITY. Both give you 1/3 of the full game with everything working. > Still people went out and bought the full game. I think you have to > implant in the players mind, "Imagine what it would be like if you > bought the full game". Use that as a guide, and allow as much as you > can without giving it all away. The opinions are good, but like you say, are you giving away too much. I guess the line between good/crap determined from the amount in crippling, is totally different in both games and utilities. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 2 04:13:28 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA03419 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 04:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA19826 for amos-out; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA19823 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA11155 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30284 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1997 05:56:52 -0000 Received: from herp1-46.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.174) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 1997 05:56:52 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 01:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Crippling Programs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Robert W. Benjamin scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 01-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: Crippling Programs: > Mush > I have never released a crippled program, for the fact > that no matter how long or tough a programming job > has been, it's been a hobby and joy... I enjoy programming as a hobby, but sometimes, you release a project which you have put so much work into, and the people want it so badly, that you would like to be able to make a small pittance from it to repay you for your hard work and efforts. > But mainly, I've always put my games and utilities in the PD because > I knew they were not commercial or shareware quality. I agree. A lot of my old stuff was crap. Still is too, hehe > My latest game the 'SHOOTIST' is better than my games of the > past and I was going to release a demo (crippled) version of it. > If the game or program has multiple levels, it's easy to make a > crippled version. I would just give them 1 or 2 levels, if they > are good enough, they will want to buy the full version just to > play the other levels. Just to play levels is not just the way, you should also have some better playing fuctions in there too, to make the game look a bit better now that they have registered it. > If it's a budget, finance, etc.. program I would make everything > function except the SAVE option. This would make the program > complete to try, but they would have to register or buy the complete > version in order to really use it. That is the best thing to do without going too far Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 2 15:47:39 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09812 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 15:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00784 for amos-out; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 13:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00781 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 13:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-13.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.137]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17942 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 13:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028348; 2 Aug 97 18:15 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA000u7; Sat, 2 Aug 97 18:06:17 GMT Date: Sat, 2 Aug 97 18:06:17 GMT Message-Id: <9708021806.AA000u6@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24d73816.u8t20e.f0eb5-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from Scott Douglas Matott ) (at Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:57:50 -0500 (CDT)) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: MODs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id NAA00782 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Scott, > Giark, > What gives? From what I read the doom extension rocks hard, but > you say it's junk, why? I'll support Giark on this one. Yes, the doom extension is a great one, which can play loads of lovely formats, *BUT* none (or is it very few) of the players ALSO support sound effects, rendering the thing useless except for demos and stuff. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "Excuse me, but how can a karaoke |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | machine kill me grandad ?" | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 2 20:17:12 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18629 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 20:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04024 for amos-out; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 19:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04021 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 19:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tycho.global.net.uk (tycho.global.net.uk [194.126.82.5]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24984 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 19:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from becket (client87d9.globalnet.co.uk [194.126.87.217]) by tycho.global.net.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA26436 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 00:13:44 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970802195726.0068a1bc@mail.globalnet.co.uk> X-Sender: becket@mail.globalnet.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 19:57:26 +0100 To: amos-list@access.digex.net From: "James A. Ramsden" Subject: Fastmem Problem II Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-Status: -------------------------------------------------------------------- doh! although i'm new to the list i'm not new to amos programming :) my fastmem question was misunderstood by 99.9% of the people who replied to me.. i dont want to detect the fastram locations of my memory, but the fastram locations on any amiga setup with fastram. when a fastram board is put into an amiga, the memory locations of that fastmem should be loaded into an absolute memory address somewhere, it's the peek values of those i need.. there must be a way of determining the start address, and amount of fastram in any amiga setup? also, since i sold my fastram about 2 years ago, it makes it even more difficult for me to look for the address's myself.. hope someone can help me! Sam Becket. (becket@globalnet.co.uk) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 3 08:08:02 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16056 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 08:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA18902 for amos-out; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 06:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA18899 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 06:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA09817 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 06:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id aa0026489; 3 Aug 97 12:31 MET DST Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 12:20:59 +0200 To: mushypd@redrose.net Cc: Scott Douglas Matott , "Mr. Giark To You" , AMOS List From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Re: MODs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id GAA18900 Status: O X-Status: In message , Mush writes >> Giark, >> What gives? From what I read the doom extension rocks hard, but >> you say it's junk, why? > >Plus, I dont like the fact that it has to have all the external libraries, >as that is a lot of messing around, especially to someone not at all >familiar with LIBS: and who trys to run a game off floppy who booted from >HD. Ah, but the P61a replayer which sparked off this discussion is internal, so I really donīt see why I cannot pack my modules with The Player. Oh, and it never crashed on me either. -- Evert-Jan Slypen From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 2 23:07:51 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA11669 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 23:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA07382 for amos-out; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 22:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA07377 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 22:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from upsmot02.msn.com (upsmot02.msn.com [204.95.110.79]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA00699 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 22:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from upmajb08 ([204.95.110.71]) by upsmot02.msn.com (8.6.8.1/Configuration 4) with SMTP id TAA18350 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 19:17:55 -0700 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 97 18:10:02 UT From: "SYLVIA SANCHEZ" Message-Id: To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: fast ram problem Status: O X-Status: According to the Amiga intern: The base addres of fast RAM with a 1 megabyte configuration is $07F00000. As memory is added, the base address shifts down accordingly (e.g. $07D00000 with 4 megabytes). I was checking out the Amos Pro manual to see if any commands check for memory. On the chapter Memory Banks: M=Fast Free: Rem gives the amount of available FAST Ram Reserve as Work 10,1000 if M<>Fast Free Print "The Data has been stored in FAST Ram" Print M: Rem printed 80688 (not sure how much fast ram this is? List Bank 10 : Rem Showed 10-Work S:$00C7E520 L:1000 else Print "Sorry, there is only Chip Ram available" end if Well, I guess at least two items of information was given: 1. The amount of available fast ram which seems to vary on my system? I am not sure what 80688 represents. Maybe AMOS only recognizes fast ram on a 1 meg machine? 2. The start address of fast ram which apparently was $00C7E520, however I have only 2 megs added on my system so I do not think the address corresponds with the Amiga Intern book. I admit this is not much help, however I remember someone who seemed to solve this problem in AMOS. His program seemed to check the extra memory on my system in the boot portion. It stated something like this: you have 1 meg, wait...you have 2 megs..great! and then loaded the program. His name is Andrew J. Campbell and his e-mail address is: ajc@ajco.demon.co.uk you may recognize his name from the infamous Black Dragon Design produced in England. >From the one NOT named SYLVIA but is actually Rudy. ChildrenOfSun@msn.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 3 09:25:28 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24734 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 09:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA20060 for amos-out; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 08:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA20057 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 08:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-13.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.137]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA17719 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 08:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0907314; 3 Aug 97 10:19 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA000uh; Sun, 3 Aug 97 01:48:12 GMT Date: Sun, 3 Aug 97 01:48:12 GMT Message-Id: <9708030148.AA000ug@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24d7a459.u8t20e.3c7ed-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970802195726.0068a1bc@mail.globalnet.co.uk> (from "James A. Ramsden" ) (at Sat, 02 Aug 1997 19:57:26 +0100) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Fastmem Problem II Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id IAA20058 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as James, > i dont want to detect the fastram locations of my memory, but the > fastram locations on any amiga setup with fastram. when a fastram board > is put into an amiga, the memory locations of that fastmem should be > loaded into an absolute memory address somewhere, it's the peek > values of those i need.. > > there must be a way of determining the start address, and amount of > fastram in any amiga setup? amount, err, I think it was 'fast free', and address, I'm not sure of. Just reserve the amount of space you need in a memory bank and use start(bank). Well, thats what I do. For memory locations, eerrm, well sysinfo will display them, but thats not very usefull. Can't find any usefull information. Try messign with expansion.library ?? _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "Roads ? Where we're going, we don't |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | need roads." | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 3 10:59:35 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26353 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 10:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20968 for amos-out; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 09:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20965 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 09:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iol.ie (mail2.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.193]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25952 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 09:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GPO.iol.ie (root@GPO1.GPO.iol.ie [194.125.2.196]) by mail.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14184 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 14:37:47 +0100 Received: from iol.ie (dialup-280.dublin.iol.ie [194.125.42.40]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA27631 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 14:37:45 +0100 From: Peter Cahill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 14:09:54 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Please Help Me!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Somebody by the name of Max Carlin Nilsson scribbled this into there e-mail client under the subject of Please Help Me!!!: >Hi! I'we got my version of AMOS today! So.. I would like to learn some Amos... >are there any good tutorial texts on the Internet? Where?? (It would be good >if there where any in Swedish!) If I remember correctly Mushroom PD has some but in english: http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Also the tutorials that come with AMOS should be useful >And one more question; I know that Amos editor don't multitasks, but there is >a button named "WB" in the right corner of the editor, when i push that button >I come back to the workbench, BUT how do I do to get back to the Amos >editor??? It does - kind of, Press 'Left Amiga key & a' to flip between WB & AMOS !! >Thanks every one! Great Mailinglist! If you have anymore probs I be glad to help 8) bye, -- Peter Cahill ||||||| \ o o / http://www.iol.ie/~cahill4/peter/index.html /\ _ /\ _________________________________________oOo-\ /-oOo_ | | V | | AMINET: | e-mail: | | | cahill4@iol.ie | | game/patch/alfred.lha | | | pix/icon/intel.lha | Current Projects: | | | Pang | | | Independence | |---------------------------------------------------| | | | A1200 030/50Mhz/10Meg/4xCDRom/850MegHD/2 FD | |___________________________________________________| From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 3 16:59:21 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29768 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA00772 for amos-out; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00769 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from upsmot04 (upsmot04.msn.com [204.95.110.86]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA24849 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from upmajb06 ([204.95.110.89]) by upsmot04 (8.6.8.1/Configuration 4) with SMTP id NAA18736 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:02:04 -0700 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 97 11:47:00 UT From: "SYLVIA SANCHEZ" Message-Id: To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: FAST MEMORY SOLVED! Status: O X-Status: Hi Mr James Ramsden: I admit that my ramblings were not too helpful, but I only briefly looked at the problem at the time, however I do not think I was too far off base. Anyway, I checked out my Mr. Amos MAPP disks and found this nifty program by Neil Kennedy who seems to be a pretty good programmer. By the way, has anyone heard anything about my dear friend Brian Bell aka Mr Amos in Ireland, as I have not heard from him in about one year. Sob! The program is the following: adress y_screen=41 do if key state(95): rem help memories[7] end if if upper$(Inkey$)="Q": rem quit loop procedure memories[_screen_number] auto view off screen open _screen_number,640,16,2,hires curs off: flash off: colour 1,$FFF: cls movescreen[_screen_number] fast$="F" chip$="C" repeat repeat cls input "Would you like amt fo chip or fast memory=>";TYPEOFMEM$ TYPEOFMEM$=Left$(Upper$(TYPEOFMEM$),10 fix(2) until (TYPEOFMEM$=Chip$) or (TYPEOFMEM$=Fast$) if TYPEOFMEM$=fast$ TYPEOFMEM$="FAST" MEMLEFT= Fast Free (See, the command did come in handy) MB#=Fast Free else TYPEOFMEM$="CHIP" MEMLEFT= Chip Free MB# = (Chip Free/1024)/1024.0 end if cls centre "The # of bytes left in "+TYPEOFMEM$+" mem is "+Str$(MEMLEFT) print Centre "" wait key cls centre "This amounts to "+Str$(MEMLEFT/1024)+"K" print centre "" wait key cls centre "And finally you have "+Str$(MB#)+" MBs left to us." print centre "" until key state(69) screen close _screen_number end proc procedure adress screen open 0,320,256,16,lowres curs off: paper 0: cls: hide: flash off colour 1,$0 colour 2,$FFF X=75: Y=100 and it just keeps going on... When I ran the program, it stated that I had 1016656 fast ram, that this amounts to 992 K, and that 1016656.04 MBs was left to use. Pretty good! OK, I just realized that the program did not state start of address, but it is more information than before. I have to give thanks to Neil Kennedy for the work he did on the problem and to Brian Bell for taking the trouble to archive the solution. >From the one NOT known as SYLVIA but is actually Rudy. ChildrenOfSun@msn.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 3 09:04:21 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23315 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 09:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA19480 for amos-out; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 07:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA19477 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 07:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.sosbbs.com (sosbbs.com [204.186.168.100]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA17828 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 07:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PC_sosbbs.com (204.186.168.54) by mailhost.sosbbs.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Sun, 03 Aug 1997 07:39:42 -0400 Message-ID: Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "Amos List" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Robert W. Benjamin" Subject: MHZ Speed!!!! Date: Sun, 03 Aug 97 07:47:13 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: Come on you AMOS wizards... I really need a call, or routine to read the mhz speed of any amiga, my software is running on, can someone find a routine to do this, I don't want a routine to tell what kind of accelator (I have a routine to do this), I need one to read and display the actual mhz speed.. Sincerely, Robert W. Benjamin rwbenjamin@sosbbs.com AMIGA CD32, SX1, 14 MHZ, PC KEYBOARD (WIN 95), ONE FLOPPY DRIVE PRONE TO ERRORS, NO HD... From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 00:55:40 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA10398 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA05642 for amos-out; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 23:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05639 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 23:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m9.sprynet.com (m9.sprynet.com [165.121.2.209]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02892 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 23:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (ad46-228.compuserve.com [199.174.164.228]) by m9.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA19684 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 20:31:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199708040331.UAA19684@m9.sprynet.com> From: "Dave Paterson" To: "Amiga E-mail List" Subject: MED VUmeter Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 23:28:06 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Anyone know how to extract the volume levels when playing a MED module? as Vumeter does not work with MED Dave From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 23:04:08 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA08659 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA05425 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05422 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21756 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA26745 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:00:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pit-pa4-18.ix.netcom.com(199.183.195.146) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026207; Mon Aug 4 18:59:58 1997 From: Garfield Benjamin Reply-To: Garfield Benjamin To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 13:32:59 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: CB_and_Shareware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Hello. Now, after a week "off" from the List-Game, contemplating, reading and responding to e-mail and such... I have returned to the SideShooter stage. The MidBoss part will be so easy, it will only take a few days to complete, so the "vacation" should be no problem. Anyway, as I said, today I worked on the stage and now have the MidBoss floating around, reacting to Bubba's movement, little turrets targeting Bubba and firing standard shots... Just need to add another intelligence module to handle the MidBoss after Bubba has pounded him a bit. He won't like that and will move from CasualBattleMode(no problem, this Bubba's just a fly...) to SeriousBattleMode(Hmmm... this Bubba-thing is actually a threat!! Time to take him out!). Complete the MidBoss weapons-control and destruction- sequence, and that should about do it. Anyway, as I say I have been contemplating a few things, and due to Mush's posting, I've decided to share my thoughts... Problem I've had this whole project is, how good do we make it? Of course, we want to impress people and show what AMOS, and more importantly what WE, are capable of... but how much is enough... Ideally, one would rarely come across a GOOD product in the FreeWare PD. For reasonably-priced quality products, you would look to Shareware or Licenceware. Unfortunately, this isn't the case. This is bad for independant programmers who wish to support the Amiga. You SHOULD be able to look at any program and easily determine whether it's distributed as FreeWare or not. Try it on the Amiga then try it on the IBM. Don't take this the wrong way, I will certainly finish the SideShooter. Just having a bit of a philosophical mood at the moment. The bottom-line is that, to my knowledge, we are targeting a completely FreeWare PD release with this project, so the quality should be set accordingly. Personally, when I set out to do a FreeWare PD project (such as TurboInvaders or StarStrike2000), I know that I can't make it too good as that would go against the very nature of a FreeWare project, "Solid and Simple". Is it a good thing to release a Licenceware-quality title as a FreeWare title? Personally, I think that although it's great for the users, it unbalances the PD/Shareware/Licenceware sections of the market. I know this isn't AMOS-specific, but it certainly applies to AMOS programmers as much as (perhaps more than) anyone else... I think this is an interesting issue and would like to know, what are your views on this? Okay, now that I have that out of the way, I'll get back to work on the Side-Shooter... Let the flames begin!! Take care, GARFIELD From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 09:03:19 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16708 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA13726 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 07:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA13723 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 07:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA08475 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 07:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17373 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1997 11:50:58 -0000 Received: from herp1-37.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.165) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 1997 11:50:58 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 07:47:37 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4AA2D83001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: RE: Crippling Programs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Wayne O'Donnell scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 04-Aug-97 regarding the subject of RE: Crippling Programs: > IMO the best way is to leave all the functions in but to remove some vital > element such as a SAVE function. This way, people can play around with the > program and get a feel for all its functionality but can not actually use it > in a constructive manner. > Obviously this is frustrating for the user but if they feel that they want > to use the product then they have no choice but to register. It would be nice to test the output at least once though Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 10:12:07 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26817 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17939 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17930 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpt6.stm.tudelft.nl (cpt6.stm.tudelft.nl [130.161.247.6]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA21736 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dutw1347.wbmt.tudelft.nl by cpt6.stm.tudelft.nl with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA11429; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:29:18 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970804153108.00923ae0@cpt6.stm.tudelft.nl> X-Sender: dejong@cpt6.stm.tudelft.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 15:31:10 +0200 To: amos-list@access.digex.net From: "Maarten D. de Jong" Subject: RE: Crippling Programs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: At 07:47 AM 8/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >Wayne O'Donnell scrawled this garbage in a text editor on >04-Aug-97 regarding the subject of RE: Crippling Programs: > >> IMO the best way is to leave all the functions in but to remove >> some vital element such as a SAVE function. This way, people can play >> around with the program and get a feel for all its functionality but can >> not actually use it in a constructive manner. > >> Obviously this is frustrating for the user but if they feel that they >> want to use the product then they have no choice but to register. > >It would be nice to test the output at least once though That's the problem -- you can't have everything :-). If you offer limited save capabilities, people can and will hack the protection away. There's no use in writing your own save routine if it's not there... Maarten From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 13:26:50 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29267 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23263 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23260 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCSDEV.MCS.CO.UK (SYSTEM@mcsdev.mcs.co.uk [193.32.50.112]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13236 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:36 GMT From: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk) Message-Id: <009B8474AA3626A0.0E67@mcs.co.uk> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Crippling programs X-VMS-To: MCSDEV::SMTP%"amos-list@access.digex.net" Status: O X-Status: To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subj: RE: Crippling Programs >> IMO the best way is to leave all the functions in but to remove some vital >> element such as a SAVE function. >> Obviously this is frustrating for the user but if they feel that they want >> to use the product then they have no choice but to register. >It would be nice to test the output at least once though It sure would! I recently registered for MetalWeb (the new wysiwyg HTML editor) - I wouldn't have registered if I'd known that the saved files contained so many bugs! (on the other hand, it's taught me a lot about HTML, doing this, and the authors have been fixing it regularly, so I'm not that unhappy!!) In the end, shareware means "try before you buy". If the user can't try it, they're unlikely to buy it. Personally, I think the method of crippling relies on what the program acutally does... If your program is a calendar or some-such that needs the clock, give it a date time out. This is very effective, but (especially with Amigas not neccesarily having a clock) only if the program relies on the clock. My favorite (best for a game) is the level-editor idea... The unregistered version would work fine, but register, and you get a level editor, more levels, and an updated main program. Also, levels designed with the level editor could either not work with the unregistered version, or they could bring up some extra annoying register requesters. The other idea is to release one game/program, with the register info telling the user that they will receive another two or three programs which you might not even have released. A couple of screen shots, and some descriptive text... if the user likes the first one, they'll want other software by the same author, so they'll register to get it. One alternative to crippling that I really *hate* is the idea of doing something nasty to the system if an unregistered keyfile is found. *Don't* do it!!! Imagine the user getting a read error on their hard disk that corrupts the key file... Th-th-th-thats all folks! / \ I |\/| () |\| --/---------------------> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Never trust a smiling computer." From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 15:26:18 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16397 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03430 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03427 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20517 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19435; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:46:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA08161; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:45:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA16107; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:45:24 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:45:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Andrew Hawkins cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Crippling Programs In-Reply-To: <33E28A3D.2ED@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > Look at DOOM or TERMINAL > VELOCITY. Both give you 1/3 of the full game with everything working. > Still people went out and bought the full game. Just to let you know, despite being installed on over half of all PC's in use today, only about 200,000 registered copies of Doom exist, but hey ID's not complaining. Scott From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 16:26:06 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22449 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03505 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03502 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21355 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19727; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:50:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA08813; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:49:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA16387; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:49:45 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:49:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Max Carlin Nilsson cc: Amos List Subject: Re: Please Help Me!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > > > Ah but speakng of Sweden are you by chance a Matts Sundin > >fan? > Not very much be he is a national hero =) > _ _ _ _ _ . > / \/ \ a x (_ a r l i n / \/ I l s s o n See Mushy Matts Sundin is a somebody! Infact he's one of the world's greatest Hockey players! Anyway, glad to see everyone coming out to help Max :) Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 14:12:44 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07927 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29694 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29691 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA24604 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18338 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1997 16:17:39 -0000 Received: from lp1-9.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.83.73) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 1997 16:17:39 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 12:14:16 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970804153108.00923ae0@cpt6.stm.tudelft.nl> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: RE: Crippling Programs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Maarten D. de Jong scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 04-Aug-97 regarding the subject of RE: Crippling Programs: > That's the problem -- you can't have everything :-). If you offer limited > save capabilities, people can and will hack the protection away. There's > no use in writing your own save routine if it's not there... Yes, but every now and then, it would be nice if you could actually use some kind of output, like with bobclip, if the actual file you are using is seriously limited, to say no more than 5 bobs. I would be very disapointed to buy a program, which when it comes to using the output, and it was very shobby. Mush Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 20:27:33 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14495 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA03231 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03228 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA09636 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31864 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1997 23:31:31 -0000 Received: from herp1-8.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.136) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 1997 23:31:31 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 12:35:59 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: GUI Extension command MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Is there a way to actually get the gadget ID from within the GUI extension? For example, if I created a gadget named OK and its label was SCR1OK, how can i read any gadget and get its label? The reason I want to do this, is so I can make my code recognize labels, rather than gadget no.s so If i change the GUI gadgets, it wont mess up any of the code. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 17:32:22 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04475 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15731 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15728 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca (root@vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca [199.60.222.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15797 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uv334@localhost) by vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA24792; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:15:33 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bintz Subject: New Raycaster Engine To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I'm working on a more advanced version of my original raycaster. This one, while still build upon squares, has raised ceilings and floors, so you can build steps and vents and such. I was wondering if some people out there wouldn't mind running it on their system to see how fast it is. #@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@ John C. Bintz - * uv334@freenet.victoria.bc.ca * @#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@# Come Visit Internext Software - the home of great Amiga software! http://www.dragonfire.net/~JohnBintz/inext/inextsoft.html *#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*# From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 18:33:09 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA05050 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19058 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19055 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fn5.freenet.tlh.fl.us (fer007@fn5.freenet.tlh.fl.us [204.194.39.252]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24305 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by fn5.freenet.tlh.fl.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA28768 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:20:37 -0400 (EDT) From: fernando Bartra To: AMOS Subject: hires ham Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is there an extension for amos that lets you display/load hires ham pics? and that also compiles? IF not, will the upcoming aga extension be able to do it? I got Intos, but could never make it work... Fernando Bartra From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 21:09:09 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17529 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01883 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01880 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14862 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16251; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:58:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA03331; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:58:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA12058; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:58:01 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:58:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Garfield Benjamin cc: Amos List Subject: Help Speeind up graphics... (caster cont.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Garfield, Yup 28 vbl's just to draw the screen one line at a time! How crapulent! However that's using Amos's Draw command which is actually slower than my caster will need since it's designed to draw lines of any orientation, whereas all I need are straight horizontal lines. So to get around this problem i tried using the Bar command, and low and behold it is faster, much faster, it takes about 4 vbls on my system to fill the whole screen, so that's 12 fps, still not that good, oh and worse yet Turbo doesn't seem to provide any faster comands, it has Graphics cursor commands which it claims are more convenient than Amos's bar commands, but they don't appear to be any faster. Still worse than that Bar and F Bar (the turbo version) can't draw single lines, the smallest they'll go is 2x2 so that would give my renderer a max resolution of 100 lines, not very good. On the plus side though I've learned to beat Amos's slow array access by simply peeking and poking the values directly into memory banks, then I make the 2 dimensional arrays use powers of two as there depth, so my recall schemes look like this peek(start_bank+Y*16+X), without compiling this method is jsut about even with standard Amos array calls, but since the compiler changes that Y*16 into a bit roll (lsr/lsl) the compiled code is around 30-40% Faster. Plus this method allows me to use the fast Copy command to copy chunks of my large Map to the smaller, visible one as opposed to some kind of for..next loop to copy array values which I'm sure would have been god awful slow.. So anyway I've still got hold out hope to get this caster going, Was wondering if maybe somebody had a Machine code procedure to draw horz lines? Or maybe knows of faster comands/routines, perhaps somehting from Turbo that I missed it's supposed to be hyper fast. Well thanks for all the help so far, I just hope there' more to come.. Thanks, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 21:26:37 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18832 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01859 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01856 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clgrps05.agt.net (clgrps05.agt.net [198.161.156.16]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14655 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from telusplanet.net ([204.209.201.51]) by mail.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <280786-2530>; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:55:08 -0600 From: Dale Hymanyk Reply-To: dhymanyk@telusplanet.net To: AMOS List Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 16:47:19 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: File Problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="BOUNDARY.7155.952.121761680.1" Status: O X-Status: Warning: This is a message in MIME format. Your mail reader does not support MIME. Some parts of this message will be readable as plain text. To see the rest, you will need to upgrade your mail reader. This message was composed on an Amiga using the YAM mailer. YAM is available at http://bitcom.ch/~mbeck/ --BOUNDARY.7155.952.121761680.1 Content-Type: text/plain Greetings all! I have a simple problem that I'm sure there is a simple solution to, but I just can't see it. Anyway I'm trying to open a text file, load it into a memory bank, alter it using the ldos 'lreplace, command and save it with a new file name. If anyone could tell me where my code went wrong I'd appreciate it. Dale ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dale Hymanyk Alberta, Canada e-mail: dhymanyk@telusplanet.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --BOUNDARY.7155.952.121761680.1 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE2BANK.AMOS" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 QU1PUyBQcm8xMDFWAAAAAAAABN4HAQAS//YEgG1haW4AAAIAAAAMAQN2AAAEvgAYAAAABgAA BIBtYWluAAACAAAAFgIGUgAkKioqKiogVVNFIE1VU0lDIFNBTVBMRSBDT01NQU5EUyAqKioq AAAXBAZSACYqKioqKiBPUEVOICBGSUxFUyAqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKiogIAAAFgQABgAA CAJuZXdfbmFtAP+iAAYABgYCZl9uYW0A/8AAJgAFX1RFTVAAAAAnBATQACYANlBsZWFzZSBl bnRlciB0aGUgY29tcGxldGUgcGF0aCBmb3IgdGhlIHNlbGVjdGVkIGZpbGU6IABkAAYABgYC Zl9uYW0AAAAOBCWaGLwAPgAAAAEAXAAGAAYGAmZfbmFtAAAAHQQCvgA2KWIAVAR2ACYAGE5P IFNVQ0ggRklMRSEgVFJZIEFHQUlOLgBUABL/9gSAbWFpbgBUAtoAAA4EGMwAPgAAAAIAXAAG AAAIAm5ld19uYW0AAAACAAAAFgQGUgAkKioqKiogREVDTEFSRSBWQVJTICoqKioqKioqKioq KioqKioqAAAgBAAGAAwGAWZfc2l6AP+iGHwAdAA+AAAAAQB8AFQEdgAmAAtmaWxlIHNpemUg PQAAZAAGAAwGAWZfc2l6AAAACQQABgASBAFmcmUA/6IGCgAAAgQAABcEBlIAJioqKioqIE1F TU9SWSBDSEVDSyAqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKiAgAAAjBAK+AD4ABgAMBgFmX3NpegD/jgAG ABIEAWZyZQACxgR2ACYAGUVSUk9SOiBOT1QgRU5PVUdIIE1FTU9SWSEAAFQDtgAANwQCvgBm AAYADAYBZl9zaXoA/6wABgASBAFmcmUAAsYEdgAmABZNRU1PUlkgQ0hFQ0sgT0ssIFdJVEgg AGQABgASBAFmcmUA/8oABgAMBgFmX3NpegAAZAAmAA8gQllURVMgVE8gU1BBUkUAAAACBAAA FwQGUgAmKioqKiogREVGSU5FIE1FTSBCQU5LICoqKioqKioqKioqKioqICAAAA0EIPIAPgAA AAoAXAAGAAwGAWZfc2l6AAAAAgQAABcEBlIAJioqKioqIExPQUQvUkVQTEFDRS9TQVZFICoq KioqKioqKioqKiAgAAAWBABOAf8CEAA+AAAAAQCUAUAAdAA+AAAACgB8AFwABgAMBgFmX3Np egAAADMEAE4KBAJ0AD4AAAA7AFwB3AB0ACYAASwAAHwAXAFAAHQAPgAAAAoAfACUAUAAdAA+ AAAACgB8/8ABTAB0AD4AAAAKAHwAVAR2ACYAFlJlcGxhY2luZyAnOycgd2l0aCAnLCcAADUE AE4KBAJ0AD4AAAAgAFwB3AB0ACYAASwAAHwAXAFAAHQAPgAAAAoAfACUAUAAdAA+AAAACgB8 /8ABTAB0AD4AAAAKAHwAVAR2ACYAGlJlcGxhY2luZyAnc3BhY2UnIHdpdGggJywnAAAdBABO Af8DJAA+AAAAAgBcAUAAdAA+AAAACgB8AJQBQAB0AD4AAAAKAHz/wAFMAHQAPgAAAAoAfAAA AgQAABcEBlIAJioqKioqIENMT1NFIEZJTEVTKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKiAgAAALBBkM AD4AAAABAFQZDAA+AAAAAgAAAwEDkAAAQW1CcwAA --BOUNDARY.7155.952.121761680.1-- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 16:37:11 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26759 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA08329 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08326 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cu.cu-muc.de ([195.38.157.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00527 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:48:09 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:49:54 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Platon Received: from cu-muc.de [195.38.157.103] by cu.cu-muc.de with smtp id BDDADJBB ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:48:56 -0500 From: Chris Hodges To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 19:47:54 EST5 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Crippling programs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id NAA08327 Status: O X-Status: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk wrote on 05-Aug-97: > One alternative to crippling that I really *hate* is the idea of doing > something nasty to the system if an unregistered keyfile is found. *Don't* > do it!!! Imagine the user getting a read error on their hard disk that > corrupts the key file... Well, I protected my Lem2LevEd in that way. *But* it won't do such thing unless the keyfile is corrupted *AND* integrity check inside the main program is REMOVED. So there's no change of invoking the protection routine by accident. -- Bye, Chris Hodges (http://home.pages.de/~platon/)  __    __ A4000/60, 24MB, 3.6GB HD, CD-ROM, CV64, FliFix __  ///   / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a20 w++ v? C+++      \\\///   / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G?   \XX/    \__/ __/  FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+  AMIGA RULEZ!   \/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 22:32:17 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05455 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04499 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04496 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA20441 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3254 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1997 23:48:50 -0000 Received: from herp1-8.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.136) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 1997 23:48:50 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: fernando Bartra CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 19:45:26 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: hires ham MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: fernando Bartra scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 04-Aug-97 regarding the subject of hires ham: > Is there an extension for amos that lets you display/load hires ham > pics? and that also compiles? IF not, will the upcoming aga extension be > able to do it? I got Intos, but could never make it work... If it is just to display pictures, couldnt you use a small program such as PPShow, and use AMOS TO BACK. I know its a pain in the arse, but I dont know of any other way to do it. A lot of hires/HAM screens will LOAD IFF into AMOS anyhow (one of my old plaques was a HAM pic) and Spack the screen to a bank, and it should be ok Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 23:12:19 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA07832 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04862 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04859 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA20803 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5456 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1997 23:57:09 -0000 Received: from herp1-8.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.136) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 1997 23:57:09 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: Mush To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 19:53:46 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Crippling programs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: > It sure would! I recently registered for MetalWeb (the new wysiwyg HTML > editor) - I wouldn't have registered if I'd known that the saved files > contained so many bugs! (on the other hand, it's taught me a lot about > HTML, doing this, and the authors have been fixing it regularly, so I'm > not that unhappy!!) At least they are doing something about it, but it still would be nice to be able to see this before hand, so that we dont have to be lumbered with this. > In the end, shareware means "try before you buy". If the user can't try > it, they're unlikely to buy it. > Personally, I think the method of crippling relies on what the program > acutally does... > If your program is a calendar or some-such that needs the clock, give it > a date time out. This is very effective, but (especially with Amigas not > neccesarily having a clock) only if the program relies on the clock. Thats a good idea. One other way to do something similar, would be to add a small Patch onto the end of the executable itself (like 10 bytes) and make your program open itself up, and write over itself with either the current date of first operation (if you want it to time out), or increment it for the number of uses. If you add the ten byte bit to the archive itself as empty figures, noone will know the difference in size! The time one is OK, and its not always easy to turn the clock back, as a lot of programs I have come up with all wierd requesters if the clock suddenly loses a couple of hours. > My favorite (best for a game) is the level-editor idea... The unregistered > version would work fine, but register, and you get a level editor, more > levels, and an updated main program. Also, levels designed with the level > editor could either not work with the unregistered version, or they could > bring up some extra annoying register requesters. Good idea, basically piss the user off so much, that they fall on their knes in terror and subscribe!! > The other idea is to release one game/program, with the register info > telling the user that they will receive another two or three programs > which you might not even have released. A couple of screen shots, and > some descriptive text... if the user likes the first one, they'll want > other software by the same author, so they'll register to get it. One way I do this, is to offer a small discount to users if they have already registered one of my programs. I also have small snippets or texts about other programs too. > One alternative to crippling that I really *hate* is the idea of doing > something nasty to the system if an unregistered keyfile is found. *Don't* > do it!!! Imagine the user getting a read error on their hard disk that > corrupts the key file... You would have to be lame to even think this. The most damage I would ever considering doing, is bringing up an AMOS screen, saying "REGISTER !!" and have a DO..LOOP so that the user cant break, and turn OS off and everything, so they have to reboot! TeeHee! Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 22:01:05 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02562 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04908 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04901 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11818 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5909 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1997 23:59:00 -0000 Received: from herp1-8.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.136) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 1997 23:59:00 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Scott Douglas Matott , Andrew Hawkins CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 19:55:36 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Crippling Programs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Scott Douglas Matott scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 04-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: Crippling Programs: > Just to let you know, despite being installed on over half of all > PC's in use today, only about 200,000 registered copies of Doom exist, but > hey ID's not complaining. > Scott If i only ever sold 200,000 copies of one of my $10 programs, I certainly wouldnt complain either! Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 21:22:32 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29032 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA05142 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA05137 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA21443 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6334 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1997 00:00:43 -0000 Received: from herp1-8.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.136) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 1997 00:00:43 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 19:57:19 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Please Help Me!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Scott Douglas Matott scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 04-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: Please Help Me!!!: > See Mushy Matts Sundin is a somebody! > Infact he's one of the world's greatest Hockey players! Ahh well, thats what you get with a Brit in the USA! Im more used to Man Utd. fans beating the living daylights out of each other cos one of them spawns a liverpool shirt =) Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 22:37:28 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04847 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA11772 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11763 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fn5.freenet.tlh.fl.us (fer007@fn5.freenet.tlh.fl.us [204.194.39.252]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28839 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by fn5.freenet.tlh.fl.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA07957; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:20:57 -0400 (EDT) From: fernando Bartra To: Mush cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: hires ham In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Mush wrote: > If it is just to display pictures, couldnt you use a small program such as > PPShow, and use AMOS TO BACK. I know its a pain in the arse, but I dont I tried this (after reading about it in amiga shopper or one of those mags) but could never go staright to display the pic, instead i always got to the programs' file selector, and i didnt like that... > know of any other way to do it. A lot of hires/HAM screens will LOAD IFF > into AMOS anyhow (one of my old plaques was a HAM pic) and Spack the screen I'm gonna mess with the gfx in image/fx and see what i cn do to display in amos, but i rather have an extension that lets u display any picture. Well, thanks for replying though, anyone else knows how to display/load an hires/ham pic? Fernando From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 23:21:35 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29038 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA12642 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA12639 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA19337 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp21-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.70]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13674 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:31:26 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 21:13:56 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: MODs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 01-Aug-97, Scott Douglas Matott wrote: > From what I read the doom extension rocks hard, but >you say it's junk, why? Didn't say it was junk. I said I didn't like it. It serves no purpose for me. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 5 00:38:51 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16822 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 00:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA12651 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA12648 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29920 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp21-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.70]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13690 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:31:43 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 21:21:48 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Crippling Programs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 01-Aug-97, Mush wrote: >Whats the best way to cripple a program? I usually implement a timer. I vary between 15 minutes and 30 minutes, depending on the program. I don't kill ANY functions, just have the program shut down after the time runs out. For the average user, that's more than enough time to test the program out. For Lunar Conquest, I put a limit on the number of mines and players, but left all functions intact. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 4 23:54:28 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01371 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA12659 for amos-out; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA12654 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29923 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp21-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.70]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13694 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:31:47 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 21:26:18 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: MODs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id VAA12655 Status: O X-Status: On 02-Aug-97, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote: >so I really donīt see why I cannot pack my modules with The Player How about because the project coordinator asked you not to? Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 5 08:04:19 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA18075 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 08:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA01592 for amos-out; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 04:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA01589 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 04:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCSDEV.MCS.CO.UK (SYSTEM@mcsdev.mcs.co.uk [193.32.50.112]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA02627 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 04:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 09:48 GMT From: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk) Message-Id: <009B850D3DED90C0.12A4@mcs.co.uk> To: amos-list@digex.com Subject: Re: Crippled programs X-VMS-To: MCSDEV::SMTP%"amos-list@digex.com" Status: O X-Status: >> My favorite (best for a game) is the level-editor idea... The unregistered >> version would work fine, but register, and you get a level editor, more >> levels, and an updated main program. Also, levels designed with the level >> editor could either not work with the unregistered version, or they could >> bring up some extra annoying register requesters. >Good idea, basically piss the user off so much, that they fall on their >knes in terror and subscribe!! Nah... not that bad :) The unregistered version would work great. But the user would register it to get the extra functionality, as opposed to "the missing functionality". Its the same thing, but the user feels that they're getting something extra rather than having to pay for the program they've already got. >> One alternative to crippling that I really *hate* is the idea of doing >> something nasty to the system if an unregistered keyfile is found. *Don't* >> do it!!! Imagine the user getting a read error on their hard disk that >> corrupts the key file... >You would have to be lame to even think this. I have *seen* Amiga programs that do this. My immediate reaction: "Delete #?", regardless of how useful it might otherwise be. >The most damage I would ever considering doing, is bringing up an >AMOS screen, saying "REGISTER !!" and have a DO..LOOP so that the >user cant break, and turn OS off and everything, so they have to >reboot! TeeHee! Yes. Much more civilised :-) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 5 13:37:30 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02771 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20560 for amos-out; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20557 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15824 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp8-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.57]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA04649 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:46:31 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 10:43:43 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: CB_and_Shareware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 04-Aug-97, Garfield Benjamin wrote: > The bottom-line is that, to my knowledge, we are targeting a > completely FreeWare PD release with this project, so the quality > should be set accordingly. Personally, when I set out to do a > FreeWare PD project (such as TurboInvaders or StarStrike2000), > I know that I can't make it too good as that would go against the > very nature of a FreeWare project, "Solid and Simple". Actually, we've had offers from one of the listers to set up a distribution of CB, with royalties sent to all parties involved. So don't be skimping on the quality. Q8-{) Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 5 17:57:06 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19976 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00460 for amos-out; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00457 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA11040 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id aa0005827; 5 Aug 97 20:35 MET DST Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:31:35 +0200 To: "Mr. Giark To You" Cc: AMOS List From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Re: MODs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id OAA00458 Status: O X-Status: In message , "Mr. Giark To You" writes >>so I really donīt see why I cannot pack my modules with The Player > >How about because the project coordinator asked you not to? I do not remember you "asking" me anything. You told me not to use it, solely because you did not like the Doom extension. I was just asking if Doom could play SFX next to a TP61a module, but it does not, so I will not pack my modules. So let us not have an argument about this whole thing. -- Evert-Jan Slypen From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 5 18:28:01 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23491 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01590 for amos-out; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01583 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-14.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.138]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA24552 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1107253; 5 Aug 97 19:36 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA000v6; Tue, 5 Aug 97 19:36:13 GMT Date: Tue, 5 Aug 97 19:36:13 GMT Message-Id: <9708051936.AA000v5@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24db41aa.u8t20e.d4cad-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Mon, 04 Aug 1997 21:26:18 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: MODs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id OAA01585 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Mr., > On 02-Aug-97, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote: > >so I really donīt see why I cannot pack my modules with The Player > How about because the project coordinator asked you not to? Here's another reason, 'cos you can't play samples at the same time. (unless you can solve that one) _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | ŦŦ insert clever quote here ŧŧ |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 04:12:16 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA29608 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 04:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA13250 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 03:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA13247 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 03:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.theonramp.net (mail2.theonramp.net [208.136.0.14]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA25264 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 03:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.theonramp.net ([208.136.3.30]) by mail2.theonramp.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11409) with SMTP id AAA148 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 03:11:22 -0400 From: schitso@mail2.theonramp.net (John Perkins) To: AMOS List Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 02:10:06 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-Status: I have a few... I finally downloaded most of the web page. What is the Castle Assault program looking for when it says it can't lock the directory? I have tried snoop dos, and tried the files in the program's directory. I have no graphics files there though. Do I need an older demo too? The side scroller looks good, but why are flames comming out of the bottle part of the fire extinguisher? Do you want backgrounds? If so, what size and style? My monitor is not warmed up yet (it takes a while, some day soon it won't) so I couldn't see much of the knight demo, but the tank style control was kinda wierd. I'm sure it will be fine once I get used to it. Also, I use a CD32 pad, will it use more than one button? Maybe just for the same moves as the "move the joystick X and push the button" moves. About the "protection", I thought it would just be a freebie. I know alot of work has gone into this, but wasn't it just to show off AMOS and our abilities? God knows I need money, but hardly anyone registers games. Plus, wouldn't an unprotected game spread better? That seemed to be one of the original goals. Something about #1 download on Aminet, maybe? Get some free coverdisks? Later, Schitso From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 5 22:20:03 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04179 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA01560 for amos-out; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01557 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04456 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14510 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1997 20:06:23 -0000 Received: from herp1-33.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.161) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 1997 20:06:23 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Garfield Benjamin CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 20:02:37 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Crippling Programs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Garfield Benjamin scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 02-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: Crippling Programs: > It has to start somewhere, so I think the programmers on the List > could "get the ball rolling", so to speak. In short, what I am > proposing is a Developer's Alliance where we all define these > standards, avoid project-duplication to max-out our profits, and > possibly even share development-tools and info. I agree completely. I tried to have a similar kind of scheme on my homepages a while back, when I used to be working on Extreme AMOS, informing people on who was doing what projects. I will post a second mail in a moment announcing a new page I would like to start on my homepages, with info on currentl projects and info about them, so as not to cause multi-development etc. > Until there is some kind of standard (because that is what the > Amiga PD/Shareware markets lack), Amiga shareware will never > reach it's full potential... Unfortunately, you are right there. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 5 21:53:28 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA01779 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA01587 for amos-out; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01584 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA23449 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14831 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1997 20:08:18 -0000 Received: from herp1-33.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.161) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 1997 20:08:18 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 20:04:33 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: MHZ Speed!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Robert W. Benjamin scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 03-Aug-97 regarding the subject of MHZ Speed!!!!: > Come on you AMOS wizards... I really need a call, or routine > to read the mhz speed of any amiga, my software is running > on, can someone find a routine to do this, I don't want a routine > to tell what kind of accelator (I have a routine to do this), I need > one to read and display the actual mhz speed.. Is it to syncronise your programs on a faster machine? Why not just use the Timer function to coordinate stuff, as it will then stay the same speed on all systems Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 5 23:32:40 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA09887 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA01949 for amos-out; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01946 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA23218 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16061 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1997 20:14:27 -0000 Received: from herp1-33.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.161) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 1997 20:14:27 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 20:10:43 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199708041709.TAA16924@d1o10.telia.com> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: About BobClip and Crippled programs... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Mike Hiltunen scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 04-Aug-97 regarding the subject of About BobClip and Crippled programs...: > You said in a previous mailing you thought disabling the save option was the > best thing without going to far. Well, obviously you feel different with > BobClip. > So, what would you like to be crippled in this program instead? I have been > thinking about putting a limit to the save option instead of disable it > totally, say you could only save 5 or 10 bobs, or something. But like you > said: > "sometimes you have put so much work into, and the people want it so badly, > that you would like to be able to make a small pittance from it to repay you > for your hard work and efforts." Im not putting bob clip down, but when you come to think of it, disabling the SAVE function in a BOB editor is a bit dumb. If it were the case, i'd load it up, see that no matter how hard I worked on a special bank, I could never save it, so would delete the program and go looking for something else which does save. One way around it would be like I said a while back, limit the program to just 5 or 10 bobs maximum, and make it so that you cant *load* an existing bob bank. Alternatively, you could Tatoo each bob with a small "DEMO" mark when saving, which means the user has more hassle editing it out to use the bank properly. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 5 22:37:44 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05330 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA02611 for amos-out; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02608 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA06736 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18036 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1997 20:24:18 -0000 Received: from herp1-33.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.161) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 1997 20:24:18 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Dale Hymanyk CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 20:20:34 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: File Problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Dale Hymanyk scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 04-Aug-97 regarding the subject of File Problems: > Anyway I'm trying to open a text file, load it into a memory bank, alter it > using the ldos 'lreplace, command and save it with a new file name. Ive looked at your code, and having never tried the LDos extension, the way you made some code to do a simple task looks rather long and not necessary. To save a file with a new name: a$= Original file and path b$= New Path and name open in 1,a$:reserve as data 16,lof(1):close:bload a$,start(16) bsave b$,start(16) to start(16)+length(16):erase 16 To alter your lines and save with new name: a$= Original text file b$= New text file open in 1,a$:open out 2,b$ set input 10,-1 line input #1,tex$ repeat lp1: i=instr(tex$," "):rem Look for a Space if i>0 tex2$=mid$(tex$,1,i-1)+","+mid$(tex$,i+1,len(tex$) rem Replace it with the , tex=tex2$:goto lp1 endif print #2,tex$ line input #1,a$ until eof(1) close 1:close 2 This program will replace all occurences of the space, and replace them with a comma. This does it constantly till no more occurences can be found on the line, then goes to the next. The process is repeated till the end of the input file. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 5 22:52:06 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA06910 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA04933 for amos-out; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04930 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailc.telia.com (root@mailc.telia.com [194.22.190.4]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28668 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:14:13 -0400 (EDT) From: mtl.wcp@vasteras.mail.telia.com Received: from FOO.telia.com (t8o14p16.telia.com [194.237.162.136]) by mailc.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA12592 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 03:14:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <33E7D221.647B@vasteras.mail.telia.com> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 03:23:45 +0200 Reply-To: mtl.wcp@vasteras.mail.telia.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: leftORight? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Is there anyway 2 plaY samples on only the right or left speaker? eXAMPLE: You got a module playing using 2 tracks on the left ,,the right channel is free.. Can i use a sample playing it in mono on the right? i hope u understand that im not no good in english! I need a answer fast! /mTl From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 5 21:27:15 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29856 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA03461 for amos-out; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03458 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA25616 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19585 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1997 20:31:20 -0000 Received: from herp1-33.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.161) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 1997 20:31:20 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 20:27:35 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: CB_and_Shareware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Mr. Giark To You scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 05-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: CB_and_Shareware: > Actually, we've had offers from one of the listers to set up a distribution of > CB, with royalties sent to all parties involved. So don't be skimping on the > quality. Q8-{) When i offered to sell the game through my First Virtual accounts, I though the idea was dropped, due to the fact that so many people living in different countries was a pain. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 5 23:15:47 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA08774 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA03535 for amos-out; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03532 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA24938 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20949 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1997 20:37:15 -0000 Received: from herp1-33.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.161) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 1997 20:37:15 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 20:33:31 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Project Information & History Page MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: If you read one of my replies to the Crippling scheme, you will now the point to this email. One of the features I would like to restart on my homepages, is like an index of all the currently under-way projects actively undertaken by members on the list. I would like to hear from *Everyone* on the project they are working on, with a bit of detail about the project, such as when you expect it to be released, how much it will cost (if its shareware) etc. If you have a piece of text about it already on a homepage somewhere, Id like the URL too. Once the current projects are underway, I would like to start on the Previous Software list, which is a full list of all the old projects done in the past, which can be looked at by anyone to avoid creating the same games and utilities over and over again. Please get back to me about your comments via the list, so we can all share your comments/critisisms Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 5 23:41:29 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26268 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA07493 for amos-out; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA07490 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailc.telia.com (root@mailc.telia.com [194.22.190.4]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02511 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:00:39 -0400 (EDT) From: mtl.wcp@vasteras.mail.telia.com Received: from FOO.telia.com (t8o14p16.telia.com [194.237.162.136]) by mailc.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA18017 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 04:00:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <33E7DD04.3353@vasteras.mail.telia.com> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 04:10:12 +0200 Reply-To: mtl.wcp@vasteras.mail.telia.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: shareware!? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: About shareware??!! Why sharware in this time?! Dont sell your programs make it freeware! wHy u ask?! Because the Amiga having a bad time right now so give and show the new user that the Amiga is still the best computer since tha almighty C64! Share your knowledge!??? Information wants 2 b free!! have everybody forgot that?! hope not if thats the case! if it is I will skip the AMiga and go back once agian 2 the C64! Somebody compared Doom with An amos program..That not right because you can never do so fast texturemaping routins in AMOS!( not even in pure assemler). I think everbody join this mailing list 2 get helped or 2 get new insperation 2 do something good and fun! Not 2 talk about how u should make your program so cracked safe as possible! And if you do that,,,and your program will do something nasty on their users system (A trojan horse) its like a virus the program does something else than its sopose 2 do! Warning the user can get u busted! Dont b like PeCe people (bill gates) be Amiga people ...help each other! And if u want 2 earn some money dont take 2 much for your program...I can say that if its over 10Ģ nobody gonna buy that!! I promise u max one week after u realsed your prog it will b on a so called ELITE BBS cracked and ready 2 run! i know that this text is going 2 get some people mad but that a risc i will take!! Happy programing /MtL u r controlled by the system! From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 00:31:40 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA00414 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA09880 for amos-out; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA09877 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA23660 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25507 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1997 23:13:16 -0000 Received: from herp1-32.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.160) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 1997 23:13:16 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: mtl.wcp@vasteras.mail.telia.com CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 23:09:31 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33E7D221.647B@vasteras.mail.telia.com> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: leftORight? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: mtl.wcp@vasteras.mail.telia.com scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 05-Aug-97 regarding the subject of leftORight?: > Is there anyway 2 plaY samples on only the right or left speaker? > eXAMPLE: > You got a module playing using 2 tracks on the left ,,the right channel > is free.. Can i use a sample playing it in mono on the right? i hope u > understand that im not no good in english! Its easy, you can use the SAM PLAY command, aplong with a channel ID no. and the sample to generate the channel of the sound. The codes are: Channel 1 +1 Channel 2 +2 Channel 3 +4 Channel 4 +8 Sam play 15,1 would play the sample in position 1 through all 4 channels. Experiment with it, and you'll find left and right speakers. To use other channels, simply add the values in the + part together Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 20:04:17 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03369 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20038 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20035 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19915 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA13084 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:19:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pit-pa5-41.ix.netcom.com(198.211.135.105) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma013042; Wed Aug 6 14:19:24 1997 From: Garfield Benjamin Reply-To: Garfield Benjamin To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 15:10:31 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: CB_and_Shareware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 06-Aug-97, Mush wrote: >> Actually, we've had offers from one of the listers to set up a >> distribution of CB, with royalties sent to all parties involved. >> So don't be skimping on the quality. Q8-{) >When i offered to sell the game through my First Virtual >accounts, I thought the idea was dropped, due to the fact that >so many people living in different countries was a pain. Personally, I would have no problem with you sending all money generated from the CB sales to Giark. Or keep it yourself for handling the sales. UNLESS the project does really well and we have all earned AT LEAST a $100 or more. Any less and it wouldn't be worth even considering profit-distribution. The reason I suggest it be released as a non-Freeware game is due to non-monetary reasons. The final CB-game should easily be of Licenceware-quality. As I said before, releasing a Licenceware-quality game as Freeware would do more harm then good. It would simply be one more reason for users to NOT register shareware games, purchase Licenceware titles, etc. I can see MANY users simply waiting, searching Aminet for months, for the AMOSList Game#2, rather than registering Shareware games or purchasing Licenceware titles. All I ask, is that you inform us all of how many sales or registrations the project made. I think we'd all be interested in hearing that!! Take Care, GARFIELD From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 20:17:53 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26205 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20095 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20092 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03290 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA20116 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:21:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pit-pa5-41.ix.netcom.com(198.211.135.105) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma019916; Wed Aug 6 14:20:50 1997 From: Garfield Benjamin Reply-To: Garfield Benjamin To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 15:24:21 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: shareware!? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 06-Aug-97, mtl.wcp@vasteras.mail.telia.com wrote: >Why sharware in this time?! Dont sell your programs, make it >freeware! Why u ask?! Because the Amiga is having a bad time >right now, so give and show the new user that the Amiga is still >the best computer since that almighty C64! Well, your motivation is commendable... BUT, supplying high- quality Freeware is not a good idea, in my opinion. Yes, new users (and indeed "old" users) would certainly love this idea, but I believe it would (and does) unbalance the whole Freeware/Shareware/Licenceware/Commercial chain. I would say the Amiga needs just the opposite of the Freeware approach. Release only your simpler programs as Freeware. Release your higher-quality programs as Shareware or Licenceware and your top-notch programs as Shareware or preferrably Commercial titles. >Share your knowledge!??? I have no problems with this. In fact, I would like to see a Developer's Alliance formed. This would simply mean we all interact with each other and discuss projects, routines, etc. Friendly competition is the key!! All developer's "band together" to maximize both the quality of our productions and the amount of our profits. Mush has started a web-page for something along these lines and I urge everyone to support it. >I think everbody joined this mailing list 2 get help or 2 get new >inspiration 2 do something good and fun! Not 2 talk about how >u should make your program as crack-safe as possible! I'm certainly not against anyone creating a quality, fun product. All I'm saying is that with a few changes, you would have more than just words to inspire you to do it. Money can be a darn good inspiration in itself... >Don't be like PeCe people (bill gates) be Amiga people ...help >each other! Now we get to the part of my reply where I'm probably going to say the "wrong" things, but here goes... WE DO NEED TO BE LIKE THE IBM-PC PEOPLE... The problem with the Amiga is that we were too UNLIKE the IBM- PC people in the past. It's great to create loads of software and spread them around free or almost free, but it destroys the Shareware, Licenceware and even Commercial markets. I'll do my best to help anybody, but we need to come together as developers and help each other: We can establish the standards for Freeware/Shareware/ Licenceware, even Commercial software. By never releasing anything above a certain quality as Freeware, we have automatically reduced Shareware/ Licenceware competition tremendously, resulting in an increase in the number of Shareware registrations and Licenceware purchases. We can coordinate our projects to maximize our profits. This simply means we discuss our projects to prevent unwanted project-duplication within a certain period of time. We can also trade our development-tools to prevent the "reinventing of the wheel" syndrome. Think about it, how many map-editors are available from this list? Yes, I made one too. We can set the pricing for Shareware productions. Is it good to have one person charging $10 for a program, another charging $15, yet another $5 for very similiar products? In my opinion, this all "breaks-down" the market. Most towns and cities have a local business-association which allows the independent stores to come together in an attempt to maximize profits, reduce competition and consume as many boxes of doughnuts and cups of coffee as possible... As software developers, we can apply a similiar strategy. Take care, GARFIELD From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 19:07:41 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26445 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21662 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21655 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23753 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA18619 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:45:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pit-pa2-11.ix.netcom.com(199.183.195.75) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma018594; Wed Aug 6 14:44:27 1997 From: Garfield Benjamin Reply-To: Garfield Benjamin To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 15:52:23 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: CB_and_Shareware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 06-Aug-97, Mr. Giark To You wrote: >I don't think it will be a pain. I'll start compiling a list of those >that have contributed enough to merit payment and we can >charge $1 per each person involved, so you can just send $1 >from each sale to each party, maybe quarterly or something. Sound fair? Ah, and I just mailed my response to the message. Anyway, whatever you guys decide is fine with me. Yes, it sounds very fair... Take Care, GARFIELD From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 10:30:42 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05488 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA18196 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA18193 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA13401 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14858 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1997 07:48:47 -0000 Received: from herp1-21.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.149) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 1997 07:48:47 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 07:45:01 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33E7DD04.3353@vasteras.mail.telia.com> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: shareware!? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id HAA18194 Status: O X-Status: mtl.wcp@vasteras.mail.telia.com scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 05-Aug-97 regarding the subject of shareware!?: > About shareware??!! > Why sharware in this time?! Dont sell your programs make it freeware! > wHy u ask?! Because the Amiga having a bad time right now so give > and show the new user that the Amiga is still the best computer since > tha almighty C64! > Share your knowledge!??? If we give all of the stuff for the Amiga away for free, the Amiga would in fact be digging its own grave. If we give all software away for free, then noone anywhere would even remotely think of supporting a high-budget Amiga production, or even buying the Amiga itself for that matter, because it will know there is absolutely no money to be made anywhere from any of its software sold. Why budget a game for 30 quid a throw when you can get any amount of different games for the price of a phone call... > Information wants 2 b free!! have everybody forgot that?! > hope not if thats the case! if it is I will skip the AMiga and go back > once agian 2 the C64! A lot of the software I wanted for my C64 to get it online was shareware. > Somebody compared Doom with An amos program..That not right because > you can never do so fast texturemaping routins in AMOS!( not even in > pure assemler). Everyone on this list knows that. Its not the speed of the routines that anyone is interested in half the time, its the quality. If you can make a nice raycaster which isnt as fast as Doom, yet still runsa as well, then you have beaten the original goal you set out to do. Nothing cant be done in AMOS or Assembler. > I think everbody join this mailing list 2 get helped or 2 get new > insperation 2 do something good and fun! Not 2 talk about how u should > make your program so cracked safe as possible! > And if you do that,,,and your program will do something nasty on their > users system (A trojan horse) its like a virus the program does > something else than its sopose 2 do! Warning the user can get u busted! The list does help people with their AMOS troubles. The best solutin to stop your program being cracked is to simply remove the code from the demo version, and only get a full version with the full routines compiled. If you had been reading properly, you will have read the listgame was going to be PD. Only badly cracked programs bugger up the system. When released from us, they work fine, so any tampering done in the future makes us non-liable! > Dont b like PeCe people (bill gates) be Amiga people ...help each other! Hmm, now if I sold WB3 for 200 dollars a throw (for our freeware LOADWB command) then, I would be like Bill Gates. > And if u want 2 earn some money dont take 2 much for your program...I > can say that if its over 10Ģ nobody gonna buy that!! I promise u max > one week after u realsed your prog it will b on a so called ELITE BBS > cracked and ready 2 run! No matter how well you protect a program, someone will always crack it in the end. Thats why you only have specialist files, ones with more than one password which must be entered on running, and also encryption etc. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 09:19:41 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25637 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA18925 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA18922 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA18792 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21448 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1997 08:27:35 -0000 Received: from herp1-21.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.149) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 1997 08:27:35 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 08:23:50 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: News Postings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: It seems my Newsserver feed is down again =( I'll recover all articles posted to news as soon as the server is back online. Mush Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 14:15:33 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07995 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27915 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27908 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-14.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.138]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA26996 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026975; 6 Aug 97 14:41 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA000vb; Wed, 6 Aug 97 14:18:20 GMT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 14:18:20 GMT Message-Id: <9708061418.AA000va@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24dc48a9.u8t20e.c8a5a-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <33E7DD04.3353@vasteras.mail.telia.com> (from mtl.wcp@vasteras.mail.telia.com) (at Wed, 06 Aug 1997 04:10:12 +0200) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: shareware!? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id KAA27911 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as mtl.wcp, > And if u want 2 earn some money dont take 2 much for your program...I > can say that if its over 10Ģ nobody gonna buy that!! I promise u max > one week after u realsed your prog it will b on a so called ELITE BBS > cracked and ready 2 run! > i know that this text is going 2 get some people mad but that a risc > i will take!! No offence, but learn to spell dude. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "Hey Beavis, does this suck ?" |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 17:19:58 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07075 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28669 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28666 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-13.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.137]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28558 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1026975; 6 Aug 97 14:41 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA000vg; Wed, 6 Aug 97 14:35:09 GMT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 14:35:09 GMT Message-Id: <9708061435.AA000vf@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24dc4c98.u8t20e.4b0f9-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from schitso@mail2.theonramp.net (John Perkins)) (at Wed, 06 Aug 1997 02:10:06 +0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id KAA28667 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as John, > I have a few... > I finally downloaded most of the web page. What is the Castle Assault program > looking for when it says it can't lock the directory? I have tried snoop dos, > and tried the files in the program's directory. I have no graphics files > there though. Do I need an older demo too? Uh ? Thats a failsafe. You're not supposed to get that happening. You should have a directory called 'level2' with lots of stuff in it, including things like 'wave1.20', 'wave2.20' etc. This is the directory its looking for. It will look in the directory it was launched from, for 'level2', the directory on my hard disk I'm programming from, and then prompt for the directory if it's been lost somehow. Amos is notorious for not giving snoopdos much information on that one. > The side scroller looks good, but why are flames comming out of the bottle > part of the fire extinguisher? Do you want backgrounds? If so, what size and > style? Heh, hadn't noticed that.. > work has gone into this, but wasn't it just to show off AMOS and our > abilities? God knows I need money, but hardly anyone registers games. Plus, > wouldn't an unprotected game spread better? That seemed to be one of the > original goals. Something about #1 download on Aminet, maybe? Get some free > coverdisks? Personally, there are two options I'd consider. Being the best PD game ever (which shouldn't be too hard) and getting absolutely rave reviews in magazines, promoting amos and our skills, and just looking damn cool, plus being etched onto CD and hopefully some pictures on the cover.. If thats not the case, a commercial release would be the only other option. I'm sure we can find a tame sofware company that will help us out, but it'd hafta sell pretty big to be worth doing that way, particularly with the number of people involved. Well, actually selling at all would be nice. The third option - shareware. Well. Very few people actually register the stuff anyway, and they need a pretty damn good reason to register. Again, it'd have to be large volume to make a difference money wise with the large group we are in. If it sells 10000 copies, we each might make a couple hundred quid. Can we generate that kind of volume ? _ _ _ _ _ _ | This .sig space for rent, or available |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | for sponsership. Reasonable rates. |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | Most offers considered. Contact above | address for details. --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 15:34:29 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21961 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26165 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26162 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1c.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.136]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA29388 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1026975; 6 Aug 97 14:41 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA000vl; Wed, 6 Aug 97 14:42:29 GMT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 14:42:29 GMT Message-Id: <9708061442.AA000vk@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24dc4e52.u8t20e.3230f-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <33E8BF71.5308@fh-stralsund.de> (from steffen medrow ) (at Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:16:17 -0700) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: MED VUmeter Status: O X-Status: To the one known as steffen, > I'm the author of a new music extension called DME. It's available on > Mush's homepage. Ah !! Hi there ! > At this time Med VUmeter function is not included in DME V1.1, but the > next version > will coming soon. The new version will support following things: > - added VUmeter for Med,Octamed,Octamix,THX and ScreamTracker > - Sample playing (SFX) support, at time only for some formats > e.g. for all the game coders (Hi Mr. Giark) > - new Soundformat: FastTracker I + II ..if it supports proper samples, that'll be great. Thats my only real complaint about it. Which formats currenly (and future) are going to support sample playing ? Or is it an extension command for that one ? Not that I mind really. Auto channel play, manual channel play, continuous sample play from h/d in stereo would be nice.. .wav support (ug) Retargetable audio.... cyagain. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "main{if(!allready(crashed))crash(now);}" |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 14:37:06 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12504 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29810 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29807 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00908 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp11-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.60]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09323 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:28:02 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:12:34 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24db4142.u8t20e.d85b3-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Bubba Icon. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 05-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: >I just figured out why you thought it was 4 colour. You are running >magicWB, aren't you ? Nope. NewIcons. It looks 4 colour to me. The one I use is a 16 colour newicon of the amos list pic done way back when. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 14:50:09 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14896 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29819 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29814 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00921 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp11-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.60]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09328 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:28:08 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:16:22 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: CB_and_Shareware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 05-Aug-97, Mush wrote: >When i offered to sell the game through my First Virtual accounts, I though >the idea was dropped, due to the fact that so many people living in >different countries was a pain. I don't think it will be a pain. I'll start compiling a list of those that hve contributed enough to merit payment and we can charge $1 per each person involved, so you can just send $1 from each sale to each party, maybe quarterly or something. Sound fair? Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 16:18:54 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09117 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29826 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29823 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29672 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp11-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.60]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09336 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:28:13 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:18:28 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: MODs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 05-Aug-97, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote: >I do not remember you "asking" me anything. You told me not to use it, >solely because you did not like the Doom extension. >I was just asking if Doom could play SFX next to a TP61a module, but it >does not, so I will not pack my modules. So let us not have an argument >about this whole thing. Good enough. It was just one of those times when the project could get sidetracked if I had let everyone talk about it forever. We'll do what we can to protect EVERYONE's contributions from ripoff artists. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 15:48:49 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26268 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05654 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05651 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06017 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13410; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:21:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA27775; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:18:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA07712; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:18:50 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:18:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Mush cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: shareware!? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > > > Somebody compared Doom with An amos program..That not right because > > you can never do so fast texturemaping routins in AMOS!( not even in > > pure assemler). > > Everyone on this list knows that. Its not the speed of the routines that > anyone is interested in half the time, its the quality. If you can make a > nice raycaster which isnt as fast as Doom, yet still runsa as well, then > you have beaten the original goal you set out to do. Nothing cant be done > in AMOS or Assembler. Just to bust Mush's chops on this one (I still can't believe he didn't know who Matts Sundin was) Doom could run like a deer on a 4 meg 486 dx/2 66mhz, which is infact a speed miracle and true testment to ID's genuis (if you want proof check out it's numerous slower imitations) Infact it's even better than this because doom flies on the 040 NeXT's it was built on. Well this is all fine and good, but considering that the average Amiga sports an 030 at best, and that even the fastest 060's are only clocked at 60 mhz if your raycaster isn't faster than Doom it ain't gonna run! Of course the solution to this dilemia is to cut back on the complexity of your caster, ever wonder why so many of those Amiga Doom clones where based on square maps? Trust me, not everything can be done pn an Amiga, let alone in Amos. Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 16:13:19 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08485 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29831 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29828 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00976 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp11-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.60]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09346 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:28:20 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:25:32 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 06-Aug-97, John Perkins wrote: >What is the Castle Assault program >looking for when it says it can't lock the directory? Maybe the EasyLife Library? >The side scroller looks good, but why are flames comming out of the bottle >part of the fire extinguisher? I wondered about that myself. > Also, I use a CD32 >pad, will it use more than one button? Hopefully. I have the procedure up to read any controller and allow for 11 buttons. > Plus, >wouldn't an unprotected game spread better? That seemed to be one of the >original goals. Something about #1 download on Aminet, maybe? Get some free >coverdisks? Yes, but some programmers seem to think that freeware means `don't make it as good as you could'. We will distribute a freeware version, perhaps with a timer or some other limiting factor. If no one registers, we'll release the full game as freeware. I've also started working on a cheat code system that will let you get max firepower, shield, etc. that we can `leak' to get more interest in the game. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From zokie@tecserv.tec.it Wed Aug 6 13:17:26 1997 Received: from tecserv.tec.it (tecserv.tec.it [194.243.136.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA29854 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mbox.tec.it (zokie@[194.243.136.241]) by tecserv.tec.it (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA12871 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:20:14 +0100 From: Francesco De Napoli To: amos-request@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 16:53:51 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: RE: Crippling Programs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Hello to everyone on list. This is my first posting to AMOS list, I beg your pardon for my poor english, I'm italian. If people would pay to use program there were be no piracy, and relase crippled proggy will be stupid, but it isn't so. Many years ago (it was 1990' end) I made a lot of anim for a friend of mine, who is a photographer. Few month later, I start to write a program which help me to realize anim. At beginning it had few effect and too much bugs, but it was usefull and easy. Soon I had selled a copy to another photographer, and I thought I will sell more copies and make a lot of money, but few days after many photographers had yet a pirated copy, there were no copy protection, and I get no money any more! So I had decided to expand but to not release :-( In 1995, I had changed idea, and had released a new version as shareware. It wasn't crippled but has a requester, which on every saving will stop program for max 2 minutes. Program was usable, but when you try make an usable anim you lost a lot of time, so if you need it to do anim you must pay. I had sent a demo disk to Italian Amiga Magazines and to many people, who asked for a demo version. Magazines had spoken well about it, but user say they couldn't try it becouse requester slow it too much. Then I introduced credits, which disable pause on demo version until you have them, but on every launch they decrese. Until today I had got only 7 registration, do you think other people don't use it? To get new credits it is simple, you must reinstall it, it is nasty but it is free :-( Now it work only for 30 minutes and save only first 15 frame, and when you get "key", it works only on your machine, and if you add/remove/change hardware you need a new "key", it is nasty but you don't change your hardware config everyday. =) Nuturally if you upgrades your machine you will get a new and free "key" only if you call me and say what you had changed. :-) I think this way of crippling is good enough. _ _ _______________________\\______/ +--------------------------+ //// \\ / | Francesco De Napoli | __ ////____________________ () \\ / | Via Lucca, 14 | \\\ //// ____ ___ ____ _ \\/ | I - 70050 S.Spirito (BA) | \\\//// //__/ //_| //__/ // //\ | ITALY | \//// // \ // | // // // \ | Tel. 080/5335361 | // \ | e-mail zokie@mbox.tec.it | Image & Anim FX // \ +--------------------------+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 17:23:50 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11285 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05085 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05073 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA07757 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25426 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1997 11:13:43 -0000 Received: from lp7-13.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.86.77) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 1997 11:13:43 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:09:31 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Mushroom PD Report and Announcement (August) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: ############################################################################# #Hi there. This is the usual Mushroom PD letter sent out every so often, # #telling you of the latest happeneings within the library. This mail is sent# #to all those people on the Mushroom PD mailing list, and also sent to the # #AMOS mailing list. If you are on the private mailing list, and would like # #to be removed from this list, please send an email to mushypd@redrose.net # #with the subject being UNSUBSCRIBE [your email address]. # ############################################################################# Date of release: August 6th, 1997. 11.15am Contents for this Email: INTRODUCTION - General information and comments to all readers ANNOUNCEMENT - Mushroom PD now plans to sell the AMOSPro Compiler HOMEPAGE CHANGES - Exciting new services available on the MPD Homepages NEW PROJECT PAGE - Information on current projects in the AMOS Community RECENT - List of Recent uploads, and some reccomended programs! FAREWELL - Well, tatty byes for this issue! INTRODUCTION -=-=-=-=-=-=- First of all, i would like to say a great big thank-you to all who have visited my pages last month, as in total, there were over 7500 hits to the site. This also resulted in some 300 extra people signing up to the MPD mailinglist itself this month alone, which has kept me busy trying to update my lists and distribute all the email orders at the same time. If you haven't received what you ordered yet, then please be patient as things can be a little busy here at times! I would also like to say thanks to all those who have been using my FTP site after last months announcement. Can I please stress that uploads should go to the /pub/amos/incoming/ drawer only, and must accompany a .Readme file (.Rea is ok for PC users) other wise the files will be deleted automatically by my AMOS program. If you encounter any errors in the library, or if you are experiencing problems, then email me at mushypd@redrose.net immediately. Alternatively, you can simply Email me the archives and readme files, I have no restrictions on my email account so files of any size are welcome. Congratulations to Steve Bailey, Robert Benjamin, and Ian Hewitt for having AMOS games printed in the Reader Games section of the June Amiga Format. Sorry if these issues are a little old, but over here in the states they tend to come in a little later than released. Another big thank-you to Mike Dissinger, of TUSK BBS (who I meet with every saturday, and a few other Amiga fans) for adding an AMOS drawer to his BBS drawer, of which seems to be very popular. ANNOUNCEMENT -=-=-=-=-=-=- Mushroom PD has been given the go-ahead to start selling the AMOSPro Compiler V2.00, along with the updater disk etc. Hopefully, this shall begin to move by the end of August, and as soon as details are released, I shall place them up on my homepages. The program will retail at around 25 dollars, although it will more than likely be less, but until I get nearer the date I wont know this for sure. Rumours also arise that I can get hold of AMOSPro V2 itself. This is true, and although I cant get a hold of it at this very moment, my contact assures me it will be available soon! HOMEPAGE CHANGES -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Not been too many changes to the way the homepages work this time, although one big one is explained more further down this document. One of the bigger changes I have made to the system is to make it more FTP site alert. On each of the order pages, I have made a small banner which is displayed on the top of the page, and draws the image file from the FTP site, and if it is active, will display the banner. This also lets you click on the banner and go straight to the FTP location in the browser, so you can see the lists directly. If you have any other ideas on how I could improve the pages, then please dont hesitate to contact me at mushypd@redrose.net NEW PROJECT PAGE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Due to several comments on the AMOS mailinglist, I shall be restarting my pages up again, which detail the current projects being undertaken in AMOS. I used to do this a long time ago, but noone would send me any information and so they got badly out of date, due to the fact that I wasnt online and was doing the system through my disk magazine. The first of the pages will hopefully be uploaded within a weeks time, and I urge all AMOS coders to get in touch with me about their current projects, with info on the name, a brief description of the project, how much it will cost (if its shareware) and when a demo and full version will be released and where it can be obtained. I hope to keep these pages completely up to date, to avoid 2 people clashing on the same project. Once the current projects list is compiled, then I will begin working on a list of older games and utilities written. RECENT LIST -=-=-=-=-=-= The following files were uploaded to Mushroom PD in the last couple of weeks: | Complete Recent Mushroom PD Index on Wednesday 06-Aug-97 09:04:20 | The list is sorted by directory and file name | | This site, mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org, contains all files uploaded to | Mushroom PD within the last 7 days. Files which didnt have a .Readme in | them were discarded. If your upload isnt here, please look in the | appropriate section of the library, and if you still cant find it, try | to upload it once more. | | To visit the Mushroom PD homepages to get the latest version of this | file, go to http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk/index.html and follow | the approriate links. | | You can also FTP into the library directly at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org | logging on as anonymous, sending your email address as your password, and | download the first INDEX file in the /pub/amos/ drawer. | | If you experience any problems, please email the webmaster at | mushypd@redrose.net and the problem will be resolved as soon as | possible. Thank-you. | |File Dir KBytes Description |----------------- --- ------ ----------- NoKids.lha extnsns/amospro 19 NoKids Extension. Excellent sorting commands + tonnes more TOME4ProUpdate.lha extnsns/amospro 113 TOME 4 Extension Crossupdate for AMOS Pro bethzoo.lha games/misc 411 Visit the zoo, feed the animals. FISHFUN.LHA games/misc 293 Freshwater fishing fun PM3Edit.lha games/misc 109 PremierManager 3 Editor V1.02. FX1.Lha gfx/demo 530 A cool FX demo. 2 disks. FX2.Lha gfx/demo 579 A cool FX demo. 2 disks. 0800.Lha source/gfx 1 Small routine which rotates an AMOS screen simply 3d_Morph.Lha source/gfx 2 Routine which shifts a 3D anim into another form Analize3_256_3_Integr.Lhasource/gfx 3 Displays waveform patterns on-screen from an IFF or RAW sample Attract1.Lha source/gfx 1 Simple pattern generator Attract2.Lha source/gfx 1 Simple pattern generator Attract3.Lha source/gfx 1 Simple pattern generator Attract4.Lha source/gfx 1 Simple pattern generator Attract5.Lha source/gfx 1 Simple pattern generator Attract6.Lha source/gfx 1 Simple pattern generator Branchtreeproc.Lha source/gfx 1 Realistic looking Branch-tree generator DazeDemo.Lha source/gfx 2 Interesting colour-shift demo, with lots of patterns FastMandlebrot.Lha source/gfx 2 Extremely fast way of drawing mandelbrot images Fonky.Lha source/gfx 27 Simple Fractal drawing program Jackiegrid.Lha source/gfx 17 Simple Screen-stretching procedure KochCurve.Lha source/gfx 1 Routine to generate interesting filled mosaic patterns Mandlebrot_Tree.Lha source/gfx 2 Mandlebrot routine which generates a tree Morse4.Lha source/gfx 2 Routine which scans lines for morse code on-screen Plexiscan.Lha source/gfx 1 Another interesting screen-rotation method RotZ0m8.Lha source/gfx 1 Yet Another interesting screen-rotation method SuperfastIFs.Lha source/gfx 1 Pattern generator using the IF statement Trance.Lha source/gfx 1 Program which animates from the centre to the edge of the screen Waw.Lha source/gfx 1 A beautiful routine, which animates a picture as though it is flying in the air like a kite. Wonkey.Lha source/gfx 3 A rather odd 4-way pattern generator. SampENC.Lha source/misc 2 Small sample editor and frequency analyzer Total of 2167329 New Bytes uploaded, with 297572864 Available upload space. The newest AMOS extension on the block is the "NO KIDS" extension, which offers a lot of extremely usefull commands, including several ultra-quick sorting commands for large lists etc. Definately worth looking at. The FX demo also shows off some good AMOS routines. Written by Dr. Fonk, who is very good at doing on-screen FX, shows off some of his code here, including a very good "Pepsi-scroll", which is a bit unusual for a scroller, but very very well done. Bethzoo is a nice program for all those younger people (if anyone has young kids, its very good for them to see) in which you go into a Virtual zoo, and are able to interact with the animals, and hear various sounds. FAREWELL -------- Well, that just about covers it for this email. If you have any AMOS material which isnt here, please upload it to the FTP site in /pub/amos/incoming so I can add it as soon as possible. Thank-you for reading. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 18:06:16 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20594 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA12946 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA12943 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d1o10.telia.com (root@d1o10.telia.com [194.236.190.241]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25584 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FOO.telia.com (t4o41p13.telia.com [195.67.252.193]) by d1o10.telia.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA15045 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:58:15 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199708061658.SAA15045@d1o10.telia.com> From: "Mike Hiltunen" To: Subject: Re: About BobClip and Crippled programs... Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:58:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Status: O X-Status: >> You said in a previous mailing you thought disabling the save option was the >> best thing without going to far. Well, obviously you feel different with >> BobClip. > >> So, what would you like to be crippled in this program instead? I have been >> thinking about putting a limit to the save option instead of disable it >> totally, say you could only save 5 or 10 bobs, or something. But like you >> said: >> "sometimes you have put so much work into, and the people want it so badly, >> that you would like to be able to make a small pittance from it to repay you >> for your hard work and efforts." > >Im not putting bob clip down, but when you come to think of it, disabling >the SAVE function in a BOB editor is a bit dumb. If it were the case, i'd >load it up, see that no matter how hard I worked on a special bank, I could >never save it, so would delete the program and go looking for something >else which does save. Yes, I agree... it is kind of dumb, but I was thinking if I had no save function then no one could ever crack it to enable the save function....... >One way around it would be like I said a while back, limit the program to >just 5 or 10 bobs maximum, and make it so that you cant *load* an existing >bob bank. > >Alternatively, you could Tatoo each bob with a small "DEMO" mark when >saving, which means the user has more hassle editing it out to use the bank >properly. Actually, I have been thinking about theese two options myself, and I might just make a combination of both... How about that? Well, if anyone is interested in seeing the output that BobClip generates, please tell me and I'll make the changes so that you can save (limited though)! Regards, Mike Hiltunen mikael.hiltunen@ostersund.mail.telia.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 16:48:06 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05659 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10218 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10212 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCSDEV.MCS.CO.UK (SYSTEM@mcsdev.mcs.co.uk [193.32.50.112]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11131 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:08 GMT From: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk) Message-Id: <009B8613DE527C40.17A0@mcs.co.uk> To: amos-list@digex.net Subject: Re: Project Information & history page X-VMS-To: MCSDEV::SMTP%"amos-list@digex.net" Status: O X-Status: Mushy wrote this: >One of the features I would like to restart on my homepages, is like an >index of all the currently under-way projects actively undertaken by >members on the list. Ok.... These are what I'm working on now: PipingHot - a clone of PipeMania hopefully with 2 mouse-operated players, (once I get registered for Amcaf), and a few other interesting features. HAL9001 - my attempt at some sort of artificial intelegence. sort of :) >I would like to hear from *Everyone* on the project they are working on, >with a bit of detail about the project, such as when you expect it to be >released, how much it will cost (if its shareware) etc. If you have a piece >of text about it already on a homepage somewhere, Id like the URL too. Releases dates? (I was never much good at this :) Problem 1: A couple of weeks ago, I managed to screw up my copy of Amos, (by selecting the main Amos executable in a "Save As" file requester - doh!) so until I can get that sorted, all projects are "on hold"... :(( Problem 2: I can't find my original Amos Pro main disk (I got the compiler disk, and the accessories disk, and..and..and, but do you think I can find the one I need?) :((( But: PipingHot is looking pretty good. I need to get the 2 player thing sorted out, and a better front end (start screen, hi-score, etc). Give it a month (I do have other things on the go!) from when I get Amos running again here. HAL9001: Is just about finished. But it doesn't really do very much :-} It accepts sentences as input, works out (or asks) what words are nouns, verbs, etc, and outputs (pretty random) sentences based on words from it's dictionary. It sounds really neat when you tell it to say everything it outputs :)) It's finished, as far as I'm concerned, but not compiled, so I'll release it as soon as I get Amos sorted out. ULR.... Well, I'm right now in the process of creating my web page. I hope to have it on-line as soon as possible - hopefully by this weekend. When it's done, the ULR will be . It isn't there yet, so don't even try it. I'll post a message here when it's there (although a lot of it isn't Amos related). >Once the current projects are underway, I would like to start on the >Previous Software list, which is a full list of all the old projects done >in the past, which can be looked at by anyone to avoid creating the same >games and utilities over and over again. This is a good idea :) >Please get back to me about your comments via the list, so we can all share >your comments/critisisms Ok. I'll send this to the list. You should be reading it from there... (I wasn't going to admit to doing such a stupid thing to my copy of Amos to everyone on the list, but I guess it's done now... :) This idea of yours sounds like it could be a good thing. I'll still be visiting other "ideas" sites on the web for my inspiration, but this will definitely be another one for my bookmarks :) Best wishes :)) / |\ / \ | \ / / |_/ \_ (Simon Champion) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If you see someone without a smile, give them one of yours" From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 06:39:11 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA29554 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 06:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA14698 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 05:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14695 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 05:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fh-stralsund.de (pamir.hrz.fh-stralsund.de [194.94.72.34]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA03567 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 05:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wels.hrz.fh-stralsund.de (Promax@[194.94.72.123]) by fh-stralsund.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA18840 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:12:33 +0100 Message-ID: <33E8BF71.5308@fh-stralsund.de> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:16:17 -0700 From: steffen medrow Organization: Fachhochschule Stralsund X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: MED VUmeter References: <199708040331.UAA19684@m9.sprynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Dave Paterson wrote: > > Anyone know how to extract the volume levels when playing a MED module? as > Vumeter > does not work with MED Hi Dave! I'm the author of a new music extension called DME. It's available on Mush's homepage. At this time Med VUmeter function is not included in DME V1.1, but the next version will coming soon. The new version will support following things: - added VUmeter for Med,Octamed,Octamix,THX and ScreamTracker - Sample playing (SFX) support, at time only for some formats e.g. for all the game coders (Hi Mr. Giark) - new Soundformat: FastTracker I + II Best regards Vanor of DOOM From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 19:41:06 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23150 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19815 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19812 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18362 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01843; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:11:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA04748; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:10:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA22668; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:10:33 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:10:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Keith Hill cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: shareware!? In-Reply-To: <9708061418.AA000va@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id PAA19813 Status: O X-Status: > > And if u want 2 earn some money dont take 2 much for your program...I > > can say that if its over 10Ģ nobody gonna buy that!! I promise u max > > one week after u realsed your prog it will b on a so called ELITE BBS > > cracked and ready 2 run! > > i know that this text is going 2 get some people mad but that a risc > > i will take!! > > No offence, but learn to spell dude. No offence but get a fucking clue, dude isn't a native english speaker so take it easy on him. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 19:15:35 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27802 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19058 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19055 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2b.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.6]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA13557 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1226380; 6 Aug 97 19:19 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA000vz; Wed, 6 Aug 97 19:21:38 GMT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 19:21:38 GMT Message-Id: <9708061921.AA000vu@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24dc8fbf.u8t20e.eb4c7-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:12:34 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: joehick@golden.net, amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Bubba Icon. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id OAA19056 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Mr., > On 05-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: > >I just figured out why you thought it was 4 colour. You are running > >magicWB, aren't you ? > Nope. NewIcons. It looks 4 colour to me. The one I use is a 16 colour newicon Ah. Not far off. > of the amos list pic done way back when. You mean the dot ? _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "I'm a Doctor, Mr Neelix, not a |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | Decorater" | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 20:39:42 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA28065 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23428 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23425 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpt6.stm.tudelft.nl (cpt6.stm.tudelft.nl [130.161.247.6]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06388 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708061952.PAA06388@mail1.access.digex.net> Received: by cpt6.stm.tudelft.nl (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA18617; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:54:12 +0200 From: "Maarten D. de Jong" Subject: Re: shareware!? To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 21:54:12 METDST In-Reply-To: ; from "Mush" at Aug 06, 97 7:45 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: O X-Status: > > Why sharware in this time?! Dont sell your programs make it freeware! > > wHy u ask?! Because the Amiga having a bad time right now so give > > and show the new user that the Amiga is still the best computer since > > tha almighty C64!=20 > > Share your knowledge!??? > > If we give all of the stuff for the Amiga away for free, the Amiga would = > fact be digging its own grave. If we give all software away for free, the= > noone anywhere would even remotely think of supporting a high-budget Amig= > production, or even buying the Amiga itself for that matter, because it > will know there is absolutely no money to be made anywhere from any of it= > software sold. Why budget a game for 30 quid a throw when you can get any > amount of different games for the price of a phone call... (I've cut out some lines with just one word on them in order to keep the chunks of comments visible.) I agree. It is nowadays impossible to make everything freeware unless you have a widely installed hardware base (like Linux, which is close to this ideal.) Apart from that, writing good software takes time, lots of time. Many of us on this list know this from (bitter??) experience. Some people believe enough in a concept to stop working for months to shape their ideas into programs (Yvon Rozijn, author of AWeb for instance). Even on a platform as the Amiga. Those guys and girls deserve the efforts they put into the program -- if you think it's good enough. If not, quit whining, or look for something better, or buy a PC, where you can rip things off even more easily. I sincerely believe that a large portion of the SoHo packages are either copied illegally or have been taken home from work as an extension of the license agreement. And if you _do_ want to play fair on a PC, you'd better have a very big wallet. I've seen terminal emulators which make Term look close to being something from an terribly advanced civilization, and people would ask 100 US$ for such crap. > > Information wants 2 b free!! have everybody forgot that?! > > hope not if thats the case! if it is I will skip the AMiga and go back > > once agian 2 the C64! > > A lot of the software I wanted for my C64 to get it online was shareware. Besides, Stallman's argument is a fallacy. Programs are not information at all. Programs are tools to manipulate information. And I think it's comple- tely logical to pay for such tools -- once again, if you think they're good enough. > > Somebody compared Doom with An amos program..That not right because > > you can never do so fast texturemaping routins in AMOS!( not even in > > pure assemler). > > Everyone on this list knows that. Its not the speed of the routines that > anyone is interested in half the time, its the quality. If you can make a > nice raycaster which isnt as fast as Doom, yet still runsa as well, then > you have beaten the original goal you set out to do. Nothing cant be done > in AMOS or Assembler. I sincerely hope that I will once see the time in IT and CS when people stop seeing `pure assembly' as something god-like. Nowadays, optimising compilers do a really good job of producing good, fast code. The extra 5% in speed loss I'll gladly trade for the much smaller effort gone into writing and maintaining a program. And yes, it's the idea that counts... But you can't ignore the fact that some- times a little speed would not be _too_ much to ask for :-). > > I think everbody join this mailing list 2 get helped or 2 get new > > insperation 2 do something good and fun! Not 2 talk about how u should > > make your program so cracked safe as possible! Which is a very fun subject as well. In the end pointless, of course, but some of the techniques are really quite clever and teach you a lot about programming in general. > > And if you do that,,,and your program will do something nasty on their > > users system (A trojan horse) its like a virus the program does > > something else than its sopose 2 do! Warning the user can get u busted! > > The list does help people with their AMOS troubles. The best solutin to > stop your program being cracked is to simply remove the code from the dem= > version, and only get a full version with the full routines compiled. If > you had been reading properly, you will have read the listgame was going = > be PD. It would be suicide to write something like this. Apart from that it is illegal as hell: I'm not a lawyer, but I think you would find it not too hard to get someone to sew the programmer for inflicting damage on purpose. > > Dont b like PeCe people (bill gates) be Amiga people ...help each other= > ! > > Hmm, now if I sold WB3 for 200 dollars a throw (for our freeware LOADWB > command) then, I would be like Bill Gates. PC-people are in the majority of cases so utterly ignorant of what is going on inside their computer that the average Amiga owner seems brilliant in comparison. Apart from that, Amiga-owners are in my opinion amongst the most helpful class of computer owners that I know of. > > And if u want 2 earn some money dont take 2 much for your program...I > > can say that if its over 10=A3 nobody gonna buy that!! I promise u max > > one week after u realsed your prog it will b on a so called ELITE BBS > > cracked and ready 2 run! > > No matter how well you protect a program, someone will always crack it in > the end. Thats why you only have specialist files, ones with more than on= > password which must be entered on running, and also encryption etc. And besides, if a program is not worth anymore than $10, it's in most cases too much trouble to register anyway. I have to pay the same amount of money to get those 10 bucks to the other party. There will indeed always be dark elements who will see it their `justifiable right' to make sure that `information stays free'. Fortunately, in most cases those guys running Elite BBS'es are far too proud of their miserable efforts to let other people use those cracked programs. I think it would make a worthwile punishment to force _them_ to write, market and sustain a program for awhile. Back to AMOS. Has anybody tried to run AMOS on a 31 kHz+ monitor using phase 5's Scandoubler or the Picasso IV gfx card? Any glitches/anomalities? Maarten -- ****************************************************************************** * Bad command. BAD command!! Sit! Stay! Staaayyy.... * ****************************************************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 23:11:43 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12123 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 23:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA15610 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA15607 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from upsmot04 (upsmot04.msn.com [204.95.110.86]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA21106 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from upmajb09 ([204.95.110.82]) by upsmot04 (8.6.8.1/Configuration 4) with SMTP id TAA10081 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:25:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 18:10:16 UT From: "SYLVIA SANCHEZ" Message-Id: To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: OK FAST MEM NOT SOLVED Status: O X-Status: Hi Sam Becket, Well, you are right. The program by Neil Kennedy was just a demo program. He stated at the beginning of the listing that he needed a program to see if a computer was more than a 1 meg machine. I suppose this type of program depends on what you wish to accomplish. However, I do think it is an important question, as it pretty much relates to my question about doing without double buffer in order to save available memory. Anyway, I tested FAST FREE on a 1 meg machine. Apparently, I discovered that my 1.3 OS used 153,288 K of memory leaving 895,288 free memory. After loading AMOS PRO, there was 392,560 free memory. I guess AMOS PRO uses 502,965 K of which lets say 25,000 K is reserved for text (out of FAST RAM). The more text space reserved the less FAST FREE. For a compiled program, AMOS sys & libs consumes around 80 K of disk space, so I suppose there would be even more FAST RAM left. At this point, I have no idea how large your program is going to be. I suppose that 8 disks could potentially consume 8 MB of ram. Anyway, getting back to the 1 meg machine. There was 0 or zero FAST MEM and 402,704 for CHIP MEM. As far as I can tell, there is no FAST MEM on a 1 meg machine as far as AMOS is concerned. Therefore, If FAST FREE = 0, then load only one disk program. My system is actually a 3 meg machine, however after loading the OS & AMOS, it has only 2,333,048 FREE MEM left. Apparently my system uses 812,680 which probably includes OS and peripherals. When I test CHIP FREE the amount was increased from 402,704 to 813,680 out of the total FREE MEM available! I figured that CHIP FREE was just using all available memory for a 1 meg machine which would be about 813,680 + 153,288 for the OS. Anyway that is my guess. Anyway, on my system, I figure that I could load potentially a 2 disk program (maybe 3). If FAST FREE <= 700,000 then load 1 disk if FAST FREE > 700,000 and <= 1,400,000 then load 2 disks if FAST FREE >1,400,000 <= 2,100,000 then load 3 disks Does anyone have a better way to do this? Damn, I just realized that this does have to be done in the startup sequence, before loading the AMOS program!! I think I having doing this all back-arse-wards! Am I wrong here? Rudy ChildrenOfSun@msn.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 17:12:37 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18474 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA21308 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21294 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA25186 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id aa0011082; 7 Aug 97 19:32 MET DST Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:20:05 +0200 To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Re: MODs In-Reply-To: <9708051936.AA000v5@mirex.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Status: O X-Status: In message <9708051936.AA000v5@mirex.demon.co.uk>, Keith Hill writes >Here's another reason, 'cos you can't play samples at the same time. >(unless you can solve that one) Yes, but if say tomorrow the author fixed that problem, would I then be allowed to use TP?? No, I did not think so. But anyway, I will not use TP. I do not want to fight about it either, I want everyone to be happy :) -- Evert-Jan Slypen From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 21:07:21 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05736 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03267 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03264 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA23078 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7330 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1997 22:34:58 -0000 Received: from herp1-13.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.141) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 1997 22:34:58 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 18:35:13 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: CB_and_Shareware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Mr. Giark To You scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 06-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: CB_and_Shareware: > I don't think it will be a pain. I'll start compiling a list of those that hve > contributed enough to merit payment and we can charge $1 per each person > involved, so you can just send $1 from each sale to each party, maybe > quarterly or something. Sound fair? Yeah, sounds fair enough. The good thing about FV is that I just upload all of the things I want to sell to my "Shop" and they handle it automatically. The way I would like to write a small executable program which gets shipped with the demo version of the program, which handles the process of registering, and although the credit card transaction goes through first virtual, I am the one who sends the archive, so I know who I am sending it to. Does that sound OK to everyone? Its cheaper for me this way, as they charge me $1.50 a month for shop rent per Mb of info, hehe. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 6 23:19:35 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12696 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 23:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA09825 for amos-out; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09822 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04745 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28116 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1997 00:14:29 -0000 Received: from herp1-13.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.141) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 1997 00:14:29 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 20:14:43 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: CB_and_Shareware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Garfield Benjamin scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 06-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: CB_and_Shareware: > The final CB-game should easily be of Licenceware-quality. As I > said before, releasing a Licenceware-quality game as Freeware > would do more harm then good. It would simply be one more > reason for users to NOT register shareware games, purchase > Licenceware titles, etc. > I can see MANY users simply waiting, searching Aminet for > months, for the AMOSList Game#2, rather than registering > Shareware games or purchasing Licenceware titles. If noone has any problems, I would like to sell the game as licenseware from my homepages, as like an exclusive licenseware title. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 01:32:48 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA23360 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA19836 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA19833 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA16495 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14022 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1997 04:07:14 -0000 Received: from lp1-2.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.83.66) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 1997 04:07:14 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 00:04:57 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199708061952.PAA06388@mail1.access.digex.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: shareware!? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Maarten D. de Jong scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 06-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: shareware!?: > I agree. It is nowadays impossible to make everything freeware unless you > have a widely installed hardware base (like Linux, which is close to this > ideal.) Apart from that, writing good software takes time, lots of time. Many > of us on this list know this from (bitter??) experience. Some people believe > enough in a concept to stop working for months to shape their ideas into > programs (Yvon Rozijn, author of AWeb for instance). Even on a platform > as the Amiga. Those guys and girls deserve the efforts they put into the > program -- if you think it's good enough. If not, quit whining, or look for > something better, or buy a PC, where you can rip things off even more easily. > I sincerely believe that a large portion of the SoHo packages are either > copied illegally or have been taken home from work as an extension of the > license agreement. And if you _do_ want to play fair on a PC, you'd better > have a very big wallet. I've seen terminal emulators which make Term look > close to being something from an terribly advanced civilization, and people > would ask 100 US$ for such crap. I couldnt agree with you more. My wife has a PC (I had to use it before I got my Amiga back online) and altogether she had spent several hundered dollars on various bits of software for it. When I showed her I could get stuff twice as good, and at a much better discount, even though the software I had was shareware and restricted, it was sure as hell better and cheaper than anything a PC could offer. If you cant handle the shareware scene, then you should turn towards the PC, because they have either ridiculous priced software, or you write something, and they rip it off and sell it for an even higher price! > Besides, Stallman's argument is a fallacy. Programs are not information at > all. Programs are tools to manipulate information. And I think it's comple- > tely logical to pay for such tools -- once again, if you think they're good > enough. Exactly. You should reward the programmer for their efforts, not just walk over them. Having the "I dont care who whatever is from" attitude could end up with you getting hold of some crap software, which could totally bugger up your system. > PC-people are in the majority of cases so utterly ignorant of what is going > on inside their computer that the average Amiga owner seems brilliant in > comparison. Apart from that, Amiga-owners are in my opinion amongst the > most helpful class of computer owners that I know of. Yeah, ever been on IRC with a missing DLL file and had a friendly PC user DCC it to you? Never in my lifetime... Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 02:33:14 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00201 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 02:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA19841 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA19838 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA20270 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14032 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1997 04:07:16 -0000 Received: from lp1-2.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.83.66) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 1997 04:07:16 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: Mush To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 00:07:26 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: About BobClip and Crippled programs... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Mike Hiltunen scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 06-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: About BobClip and Crippled programs...: > >Im not putting bob clip down, but when you come to think of it, disabling > >the SAVE function in a BOB editor is a bit dumb. If it were the case, i'd > >load it up, see that no matter how hard I worked on a special bank, I could > >never save it, so would delete the program and go looking for something > >else which does save. > Yes, I agree... it is kind of dumb, but I was thinking if I had no save > function then no one could ever crack it to enable the save function....... Cracking an AMOS program itself is quite an accomplishment, even if it was you who wrote the program. I should imagine its very difficult to find the part where the program keeps the Source, and also to edit the checksum flags. Great task to anyone if they can fix it. > Actually, I have been thinking about theese two options myself, and I might > just make a combination of both... How about that? > Well, if anyone is interested in seeing the output that BobClip generates, > please tell me and I'll make the changes so that you can save (limited > though)! Yes, get right on it! Send me any demo versions to the library! Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 06:49:22 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA13628 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA21966 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA21963 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail4.geocities.com [204.7.246.134]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA23857 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acer-200 (tul-ok1-24.ix.netcom.com [204.31.234.56]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA03278; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708070455.VAA03278@geocities.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Parrott" Organization: Parrottsoft, Ltd. To: sdmatott@midway.uchicago.edu Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 23:55:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: shareware!? Reply-to: parrottsoft@usa.net CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Status: O X-Status: Greetings. > Of course the solution to this dilemia is to cut back on the > complexity of your caster, ever wonder why so many of those Amiga > Doom clones where based on square maps? Because that's the most it could handle, and all traditional Wolfenstein-ish raycasters are grid-based (usually 64x64). Anything higher than that is a step up to sectors and CSG, ala Duke Nukem. > Trust me, not everything can be done pn an Amiga, let alone in Amos. Yeah? Says who? I'm coding mine in Amos and it's going fine. The Amiga, computation-wise, may NOT be able to comptete with a PC when it comes to complex raycasters, but hey, I don't really care. It's the fact that you pump all you can into it and utilize the full potential of the computer itself. I don't let that get in my way. The reason I'm doing my raycaster in Amos AND on the Amiga is that I grew up on Amigas, I prefer AMOS WAY over C or C++, and also to show what can be done on an Amiga using a program like this. Also, if everything can't be so-called done in AMOS or on the Amiga, why are you writing your raycaster in Amos, hmm? hehe, just kidding on that one, but it is an interesting point. `Remember: a penny saved is ridiculous.' Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@usa.net, work: parrottsoft@usa.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 02:29:29 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA29890 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 02:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA22022 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA22019 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail2.geocities.com [204.7.246.132]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA11734 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acer-200 (tul-ok1-24.ix.netcom.com [204.31.234.56]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA07574; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708070518.WAA07574@geocities.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Parrott" Organization: Parrottsoft, Ltd. To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:20:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Catching up to speed. Reply-to: parrottsoft@usa.net CC: "Mr. Giark To You" Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Status: O X-Status: Greetings. Well, while you fellows have been sitting here arguing and hacking it out over shareware, debating, I've been programming, and am pleased to announce that a fully functional demo and screenshots of the Cafe engine ITSELF (not the level just yet, I have to go in and chop some off of the engine itself and then add a level or two w/textures) within the weekend. The demo will probably be like Keith's first demo, just some sample enemies and the such, a small map, nothing elaborate, as I have yet to actually sit down and do that yet. Anyhow, it's looking pretty good, as I had planned to have a demo out by last weekend but I erased my DH0 partition by accident, remember? (hehe, how convient?). Again, thanks for the patient everyone (especially Giark). Btw, I also wanted everyone to know that I'm starting back to school (more studies, yippee) in about 2 weeks, so I may not have as much time to program (I'm trying to pump as much as I can now while I have the chance), so, bear with me a bit when I do. I also plan to update all of my pages (and finishing the unfinished ones I haven't done yet as I've been to busy to do, haven't had time). I'm ALSO deleting and/or removing the Eventuator project (it is no longer, I'm packing it away). In it's place (instead), I have an old project I thought up way back when I thought about doing a 3D game that will be replacing it, up and going when I finish my level. Book (n): a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the TV repairman. Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@usa.net, work: parrottsoft@usa.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 06:05:40 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA09390 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA24218 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 05:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA24213 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 05:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCSDEV.MCS.CO.UK (SYSTEM@mcsdev.mcs.co.uk [193.32.50.112]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA08603 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 05:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:02 GMT From: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk) Message-Id: <009B86A16D68E800.1E3E@mcs.co.uk> To: amos-list@digex.net Subject: Amos programs and PicassoIV X-VMS-To: MCSDEV::SMTP%"amos-list@digex.net" Status: O X-Status: The following was posted to the Amos list... >Back to AMOS. Has anybody tried to run AMOS on a 31 kHz+ monitor using >phase 5's Scandoubler or the Picasso IV gfx card? Any glitches/anomalities? Hia! I'm using a PicassoIV, but using a regular CBM 1942 monitor (31khz?) I've not noticed any problems running either Amos Pro or Amos programs. The one thing that PicassoIV does seem to do (which is probably more to do with my setup than anything else!) is that all the screen modes are different physical sizes on the screen, so that whenever I run a program (like an Amos program) that opens a PAL screen, I have to adjust my screen's horizontal position and vertical size before I can see the whole picture. This applies to all PAL modes (low or hires, laced or not). All in all, though, this doesn't make my life difficult :) and I can still run most (all?) programs. / |\ / \ | \ / / |_/ \_ (Simon Champion) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Recycled vicious circles rotate violently" From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 06:29:54 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA11565 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA24225 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 05:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA24222 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 05:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCSDEV.MCS.CO.UK (SYSTEM@mcsdev.mcs.co.uk [193.32.50.112]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA07859 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 05:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:03 GMT From: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk) Message-Id: <009B86A1A2CDBAC0.1E3E@mcs.co.uk> To: amos-list@digex.net Subject: re: shareware X-VMS-To: MCSDEV::SMTP%"amos-list@digex.net" Status: O X-Status: >> Plus, >>wouldn't an unprotected game spread better? That seemed to be one of the >>original goals. Something about #1 download on Aminet, maybe? Get some free >>coverdisks? >Yes, but some programmers seem to think that freeware means `don't make it as >good as you could'. I know I'm not involved in the project, but when I write a program, I do so because I want to. I think about whether it's worth shareware after I've finished writing it. I would never write a program with a market (ie freeware or shareware) in mind before I start. >If no one registers, we'll release the full game as freeware. That would be very sad. I've not seen any demos or anything yet, but if it's as good as it sounds from the discussion on this list, then I'm sure you will get registrations. >I've also started working on a cheat code system that will let you get max >firepower, shield, etc. that we can `leak' to get more interest in the game. Now this is a good idea. :) Have there been any other shareware games that have taken this approach? (I don't mean just having codes, but 'leak'ing them as well) That's my say! / |\ / \ | \ / / |_/ \_ (Simon Champion) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Never eat more than you can lift" - Miss Piggy. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 10:54:24 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19920 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29902 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29899 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA01281 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10124 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1997 13:11:29 -0000 Received: from herp1-15.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.143) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 1997 13:11:29 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 09:11:43 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Mailinglist Manager Demo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-Status: Ive been working on my Mailinglist manager, and I now have a small "Rolling Demo" available. Basically, its just the GUI with a few AMOS commands attached to the buttons to bring up the various different GUI bars. I have tested it on an A1200, with a Blizzard 1220, and want to know if it is compatible with other systems, mainly 030+ Please email me if you want me to send a copy Mush -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 14:14:12 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20742 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02685 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02680 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06746 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp30-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.79]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13190 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:03:01 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 09:45:26 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: CB_and_Shareware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 06-Aug-97, Mush wrote: >> I don't think it will be a pain. I'll start compiling a list of those that >hve >> contributed enough to merit payment and we can charge $1 per each person >> involved, so you can just send $1 from each sale to each party, maybe >> quarterly or something. Sound fair? >Yeah, sounds fair enough. Good. It'lll keep the price reasonable and let us get a bit of cash for our efforts. >The way I would like to write a small executable program which gets shipped >with the demo version of the program, which handles the process of >registering, and although the credit card transaction goes through first >virtual, I am the one who sends the archive, so I know who I am sending it >to. Does that sound OK to everyone? Its cheaper for me this way, as they >charge me $1.50 a month for shop rent per Mb of info, hehe. Go for it. Also, there is the promotional stuff dir for any ads or whatever that anyone wants to put in. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 12:39:44 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06675 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02694 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02691 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAB11138 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp30-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.79]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13195 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:03:08 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 09:47:13 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24dc8fbf.u8t20e.eb4c7-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Bubba Icon. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 06-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: >> of the amos list pic done way back when. >You mean the dot ? It would look like a dot to any non newicon users. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 15:51:47 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05476 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02707 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02702 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06780 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp30-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.79]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13200 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:03:12 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 09:57:50 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199708061952.PAA06388@mail1.access.digex.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: shareware!? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 06-Aug-97, Maarten D. de Jong wrote: >> > Why sharware in this time? To give us an idea of how well it is doing, to give a bonus to the people who programmed it, etc. >> > users system (A trojan horse) its like a virus the program does >> > something else than its sopose 2 do! Warning the user can get u busted! Why worry about that? Our copy protection will be non-existant. If someone is going to crack the program, there's not much that can be done. The honest users will register anyway. >> No matter how well you protect a program, someone will always crack it in >> the end. Thats why you only have specialist files, ones with more than on= >> password which must be entered on running, and also encryption etc. This makes for headaches when selling the program. As I said in another message, if no one bothers to register (we have failed in our ad campaign!) then we'll release it as freeware. But why not at least try to get some cash for our efforts first? Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 20:46:34 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05908 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11418 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11414 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iol.ie (root@mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18918 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GPO.iol.ie (root@GPO1.GPO.iol.ie [194.125.2.196]) by mail.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA07648 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:58:24 +0100 Received: from iol.ie (dialup-183.dublin.iol.ie [194.125.41.183]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA02846 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:58:19 +0100 From: Peter Cahill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 22:49:42 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Pang MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Hi, First Id like everyone to check out the new demo of pang (Ive got NO replys on this) Also Id like to thank Kieth & Pietro for there comments on the old version of pang I know that some people had problems with the old version but the new version is in lha, runs properly, is much smoother, has less bugs, no 'file not exe' error, & more stuff ,DOWNLOAD IT !!!! I remember Kieth asking for bouncing bubbles - should they bounce off all the edges of the screen ? Could someone send in there comments on pang ? The next demo of pang will be much better but without comments how can you expect loads of improvements? It has been a while since Ive checked the beta testers list but the ONLY people who I remember sending comments on any of the levels were: Me, Murry(on holidays now), Kieth, Garfield & brother,& a few others - I KNOW there are more beta testers - what are they doing - testing Isnt useful without telling the author about the game SOME REPLYS ON PANG PLEASE! seeya, -- Peter Cahill ||||||| \ o o / http://www.iol.ie/~cahill4/peter/index.html /\ _ /\ _________________________________________oOo-\ /-oOo_ | | V | | AMINET: | e-mail: | | | cahill4@iol.ie | | game/patch/alfred.lha | | | pix/icon/intel.lha | Current Projects: | | | Pang | | | Independence | |---------------------------------------------------| | | | A1200 030/50Mhz/10Meg/4xCDRom/850MegHD/2 FD | |___________________________________________________| From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 20:27:08 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10963 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA29282 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29279 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA26893 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id aa0018726; 7 Aug 97 21:30 MET DST Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:51:50 +0200 To: "Mr. Giark To You" Cc: AMOS List From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Re: MODs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id PAA29280 Status: O X-Status: In message , "Mr. Giark To You" writes >>does not, so I will not pack my modules. So let us not have an argument >>about this whole thing. > >Good enough. It was just one of those times when the project could get >sidetracked if I had let everyone talk about it forever. We'll do what we can >to protect EVERYONE's contributions from ripoff artists. Well, I still would like the modules to be packed, I mean, it would be in everyoneīs interest. (modules smaller -> more room for coders to do other exciting things) But it cannot play SFX so this whole argument is void :) Anwyay, the modules wonīt be that big anyway. -- Evert-Jan Slypen From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 18:02:41 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19437 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA27040 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27037 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23952 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA29156; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:10:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(207.77.76.181) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma027624; Thu Aug 7 14:06:27 1997 Message-ID: <33EA1CD0.E0B84519@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 12:06:56 -0700 From: Stephen Lebed Reply-To: slebed@encorevideo.com Organization: Encore Visual Effects X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: --==Murray==-- CC: AMOS List Subject: Re: Rnd and Qrnd X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33EA3D83.D3F@virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: --==Murray==-- wrote: > Does anyone know if you can reproduce Rnd or Qrnd (AMCAF) outputs? > > e.g. > > ---some command here--- > > For N=1 to 3 > Print Rnd(10) > Next N > > ---some command here--- > > For N=1 to 3 > Print Rnd(10) > Next N > > So that the 2nd three random numbers are the same as the first three. > I thought that if I put Randomize 1 (or whatever) in front of both of > the loops, it would work, > but it doesn't... > > Anyway, any ideas? > > Try storing your random values in an array first. Then they'll be available whenever you need them. Stephen Lebed slebed@ix.netcom.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 19:47:04 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01944 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA00607 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00600 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06084 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08808; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:55:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA21274; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:53:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA19102; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:53:10 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:53:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: --==Murray==-- cc: AMOS List Subject: Re: Rnd and Qrnd In-Reply-To: <33EA3D83.D3F@virgin.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Murray, Why not just stick the first values in an array? Of course, as I've just rather painfully learned Amos Arrays are none too speed, but still I don't think the Rnd command is either. Thanks, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 16:08:04 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12073 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02190 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02187 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04223 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p35-francolin-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.62.155]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA6759 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:49:45 +0100 Message-ID: <33EA31CF.6A08@virgin.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 13:36:31 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMOS List Subject: AMIGA games Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: This is quite long, but there is a point at the end of it... I don't want any of the many people writing 3D engines to go mad at this but I sometimes wonder what people want from games. I remember the good old days.... :) when games like Turrican II and Kick Off II were around. Super smooth, super playable and just plain brilliant. These are the sorts of games that if you play them on a PC, they just aren't as good. Technically, they may have more colours or more fancy effects (normally a CD video intro... wow!) but as for the game, its just not the same. And its the same the other way around. PCs have good 3D games, although personally I only really like Doom and Duke Nukem, Quake is too... I don't know but it seems to lose some gameplay to me. You play the AMIGA clones and they lose something too. Gloom was quite playable and before Duke Nukem (which I think is super-playable) I would have said it could almost stand up to the PC stuff (for playability). Why is it that all new games try so hard to be like PC games? When you compare brand new A1200 games to A500 games of 4 years ago, the old games always win! Fancy 3D, super effects etc. attract all the 12 old little kids who just want to show off to their friends but for the rest of us, we want a captivating, PLAYABLE game that is long lasting. Now the Amiga can't do all those fancy effects as good as the consoles/pc's (at least not with the current standard setup) so surely we should all aim for the playable side? Oh, and playeble doesn't mean small either. Some people, if they were told to make a playable game, would make a Tetris clone. Big, complicated games can be playable too. What every struggling computer needs is a game that is unlike anything on any other computer. It doesn't need to be completely original. In fact, I think that the best way to do it would be to take an old concept except with a new twist and just keep adding little details until you get a game that everytime you play it, something new happens. Basically, thats what I try to do with alot of my games that I make. (not all, addmittedly) My games Kill Em All and Hanger 18 are just a simple walk and shoot on the outside, but then you take into account the AI and the fact that you have characters that actively help you and an intirely new twist is created allowing scope for all sorts of new interesting features. Of course, I'm just one person doing this, so they can't reach their full potential but its still there. Anyway.... my point is, I think a list game could make a difference with Amiga gaming. Some people have said, be realistic, an AMOS game could never be spectacular enough to do this, but what I've been trying :) to say is that if you come up with the right idea. One that can be done on AMOS (i.e. doesn't need to be super fast/super smooth - it's only limitation in my view) and one that is suited for the AMIGA with all its custom hardware (i.e. 2D!!!!) then you have a winner. For the last list game, when people were contributing ideas, almost everyone just quoted another game! Whats the point in a remake unless you add something new and great? As for the current list game, I think it will do very well indeed. But not commercially. The 2nd list game (the Command and Conquer one) appears to have got no where and I'm not sure that it is actually going to be original in the slightest (but I could be wrong) Look at some of the most popular past amiga games and come up with some great new way of doing it. Syndicate, Civilization (Civ 2 on the PC is in my opininion the best PC game ever), Chaos Engine, Flashback, IK+, Space Hulk. Theres a few to think about. Flashback and Space Hulk especially could be EASILY done on AMOS with no speed problems. (I started a version of Flashback myself which ran at perfect speed). Space Hulk was amazingly atmospheric. One of the few games that can actually induce panic as you race to save the marines once you realise an alien has broken through. Anyway I've talked FAR too much. (I'm a bit bored really) :) Summary: 1. Make games that the Amiga is good it. 2. Make games that AMOS can handle. 3. Make games that have some twist never done before (I know they are hard to think of, but they are worth it) 4. Make it an AMOS list game? (and this time, pass the code around so everyone can optimise it) ---===THE END===--- -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: >Chaos 2 | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | | >The Turtleminator | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 14:46:50 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03353 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA07556 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07547 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17368 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p14-kestrel-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.66.194]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA15533 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:38:29 +0100 Message-ID: <33EA3D83.D3F@virgin.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 14:26:27 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMOS List Subject: Rnd and Qrnd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Does anyone know if you can reproduce Rnd or Qrnd (AMCAF) outputs? e.g. ---some command here--- For N=1 to 3 Print Rnd(10) Next N ---some command here--- For N=1 to 3 Print Rnd(10) Next N So that the 2nd three random numbers are the same as the first three. I thought that if I put Randomize 1 (or whatever) in front of both of the loops, it would work, but it doesn't... Anyway, any ideas? Thanks, -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: >Chaos 2 | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | | >The Turtleminator | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 18:42:13 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00128 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA24653 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24650 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk (cheviot.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.233.51]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00518 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOWN4.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.7.6/ for ncl.ac.uk) with ESMTP; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:19:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from TOWN4/SpoolDir by TOWN4.ncl.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 7 Aug 97 19:19:32 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by TOWN4 (Mercury 1.30); 7 Aug 97 19:19:14 GMT0BST From: "Chris Coulson" Organization: is something alien to me... To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:19:14 GMT0BST Subject: Re: Rnd and Qrnd Reply-to: chris@tornado.pair.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <3A12844A7B@TOWN4.ncl.ac.uk> Status: O X-Status: > For N=1 to 3 > Print Rnd(10) > Next N > > ---some command here--- > > For N=1 to 3 > Print Rnd(10) > Next N > > So that the 2nd three random numbers are the same as the first three. > I thought that if I put Randomize 1 (or whatever) in front of both of the loops, it would work, > but it doesn't... Not sure about QRnd, but to get Rnd to obey the Randomize command you have to use -ve numbers in the Rnd call. i.e. Randomize 42 For N=1 to 3 Print Rnd(-10) Next N will *always* give you the same 3 numbers. Chris -- +- The Best of Both Worlds... |Amiga 4000/060 50MB/1.2GB/CV64 P150 32MB/1.7GB/Stealth64VRAM | | CyberSCSI/Zip/Vlab YC/4xCDROM 8xCDROM/Zip/TM PFCS+WCS2/AWE32| http://www.tornado.pair.com/ -+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 21:37:08 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17021 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 21:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20899 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20896 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kanina.cosgrove.tased.edu.au (kanina.cosgrove.tased.edu.au [147.41.146.3]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA08127 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kanina.cosgrove.tased.edu.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BCA3E1.1CFCCD30@kanina.cosgrove.tased.edu.au>; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:54:50 +1000 Message-ID: From: "Templeton, Jeremy" To: "'--==Murray==--'" Cc: "'amos-list@access.digex.net'" Subject: RE: AMIGA games Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:54:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: This message is primally to Murray but i've sent it to the list as well anyway. >>Why is it that all new games try so hard to be like PC games? >>When you compare brand new A1200 games to A500 games of 4 years ago, the old >>games always >win! The game Evils Doom on the 1200 is new, and is the best first person rpg >i've ever played, on AMiga & PC. > > >>Basically, thats what I try to do with alot of my games that I make. (not >>all, addmittedly) >>My games Kill Em All and Hanger 18 are just a simple walk and shoot on the >>outside, but then you Hanger 18 is cool. > > > >>The 2nd list game (the Command and Conquer one) appears to have got no where >>and I'm not sure >>that it is actually going to be original in the slightest (but I could be >>wrong) My C&C clone (not the list one) has, in my opinion, some originality in it, if you want, i'll send you an infopack about it when i've finished >making the pack for the other developers. > >>Flashback and Space Hulk especially could be EASILY done on AMOS with no >>speed problems. (I >>started a version of Flashback myself which ran at perfect speed). If you still have the source and don't want it, you can send it to me and i'll keep working on it. >>Space Hulk was amazingly atmospheric. One of the few games that can actually >>induce panic as >>you >>race to save the marines once you realise an alien has broken through. I recon that's got the best intro music that i've heard for a while, but >then i heard the music > - J. Templeton > - Realm Productions From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 7 21:58:21 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18844 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 21:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11408 for amos-out; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11405 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18900 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p30-grebe-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.63.150]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA13270 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:58:11 +0100 Message-ID: <33EAA4B6.164D@virgin.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 21:46:46 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMOS List Subject: Re: Rnd and Qrnd References: <33EA3D83.D3F@virgin.net> <33EA1CD0.E0B84519@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > Try storing your random values in an array first. Then they'll be > available whenever you need them. I'd thought of that put the thing is I need all sorts of different arrays for different rnd(n) values. i.e. some calls are Rnd(10) some are Rnd(100) and some are virtually any number in between. -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: >Chaos 2 | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | | >The Turtleminator | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 8 18:14:43 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA05173 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00670 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00667 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01261 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA11760 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:43:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pit-pa3-25.ix.netcom.com(199.183.195.121) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma011743; Fri Aug 8 13:42:29 1997 From: Garfield Benjamin Reply-To: Garfield Benjamin To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 14:03:36 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Rnd and Qrnd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 07-Aug-97, --==Murray==-- wrote: >> Try storing your random values in an array first. Then they'll be >> available whenever you need them. >I'd thought of that but the thing is I need all sorts of different >arrays for different rnd(n) values. >i.e. some calls are Rnd(10) some are Rnd(100) and some are >virtually any number in between. Hello. I too would recommend using a Rnd-Table . If you only need values between 0 and 100 then it would only take a few hundred bytes (depending on how long you want to go before the random-cycle repeats) to set-up the Rnd- table. Now, you can either set up a slower, general-purpose routine... Dim RANDTABLE(100) For REP=0 to 100 RANDTABLE(REP)=Rnd(100) Next REP ' Initialize the RAND-Pointer RANDPOS=0 GENRAND: RVALUE=RANDTABLE(RANDPOS) If RVALUE>RANDMAX Then RVALUE=RVALUE Mod RANDMAX Add RANDPOS,1,0 To 100 Return Simply load RANDMAX and call the routine. RVALUE will return a value from 0 to RANDMAX Or, you can create faster routines by simply precalculating several RndTables and writing more dedicated code. Dim RAND10TABLE(10),RAND100TABLE(100) For REP=0 To 10 RAND10TABLE(REP)=Rnd(10) Next REP For REP=0 To 100 RAND100TABLE(REP)=Rnd(100) Next REP RAND100POS=0 : RAND10POS=0 RAND100: RVALUE=RAND100TABLE(RAND100POS) Add RAND100POS,1,0 To 100 Return RAND10: RVALUE=RAND10TABLE(RAND10POS) Add RAND10POS,1,0 To 10 Return As Scott mentioned, accessing AMOS arrays is a bit slow. By switching from arrays to Bank-access, you can speed up the RndCalls 30% or more and reduce the memory-requirements to half as you can Doke and Deek 2-byte values for each of the Random values, where AMOS uses long-words (4 bytes) for all variables and arrays... Take Care, GARFIELD From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 8 18:39:45 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07606 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00675 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00672 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03346 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA05893 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:43:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pit-pa3-25.ix.netcom.com(199.183.195.121) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma005887; Fri Aug 8 13:42:51 1997 From: Garfield Benjamin Reply-To: Garfield Benjamin To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 14:39:37 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: AMIGA games MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 07-Aug-97, --==Murray==-- wrote: >I don't want any of the many people writing 3D engines to go >mad at this but I sometimes wonder what people want from >games. I can't really speak for the people working on the 3D-engines, but I assume they are doing it to gain experience. It's always valuable to tackle new projects/technology. One thing I've found with programming is that the more you learn to do, the more you can learn to do. It seems to be an on-going process with no end... >Oh, and playable doesn't mean small either. Some people, if they >were told to make a playable game, would make a Tetris clone. >Big, complicated games can be playable too. Small games can be very playable. Of course a game does not need to be small to be playable, but many times a single programmer wants to make a playable game in a short period of time, so they decide to do a simple game... >What every struggling computer needs is a game that is unlike >anything on any other computer. It doesn't need to be >completely original. In fact, I think that the best way to do it >would be to take an old concept except with a new twist and >just keep adding little details until you get a game that >everytime you play it, something new happens. Personally, I believe we are even beyond this point. Problem with the "great game sells a system" approach is that the Amiga is not considered a stable market. Perhaps now it is more stable than in previous years, but look at what happened with Worms. Didn't necessarily sell Amigas, did it? No, what happens is that every great Amiga game will be ported to IBM & consoles. We need to actually rebuild the Amiga market from scratch... >Anyway.... my point is, I think a list game could make a >difference with Amiga gaming. I've been trying to say that if >you come up with the right idea. One that can be done in AMOS >(doesn't need to be super fast/super smooth) and one that is >suited for the AMIGA (2D!!!!) then you have a winner. Well, I agree with this! First, we can make a difference by "banding together". Second, it's just common sense to choose a project that's within the reach of your development- language. Actually, Warcraft is a good choice for AMOS. I'm not against making a "complex" game and would be glad to work on a Warcraft-style game with other Listers. My point was that we should pick a simpler project TO GAIN EXPERIENCE WORKING TOGETHER, not because I (or anyone else on this list) wasn't capable of creating a more "complex" game... IF the Warcraft List-game is not progressing it's probably due to determining how everyone will work together. Something I tried to explain before... DO A SIMPLER PROJECT FIRST WITH THE SOLE- PURPOSE BEING TO WORK OUT THE BEST GROUP-DEVELOPMENT METHODS... Once you have that down, the sky's the limit!! >As for the current list game, I think it will do very well indeed. >But not commercially. The current plan is for it to be released as Licenceware and this is very good. First, it stimulates the market (shows there's actually life outside Freeware). Second, it helps define the standards for non-Freeware projects and hopefully other developers will "follow suit" and only release their simpler/ lower quality projects as Freeware. When you see a very simple Freeware game don't think "what rubbish!", instead think "GREAT!! Finally Amiga Freeware is becoming what it should have been all along. Now Shareware and Licenceware can easily stand out and users can see why it's worth registering their Shareware programs!!!!" >Summary: >1. Make games that the Amiga is good at. >2. Make games that AMOS can handle. >3. Make games that have some twist never done before All good, solid, common-sense! I agree completely. >4. Make it an AMOS list game? (and this time, pass the code > around so everyone can optimise it) Well, we are working on a unique AMOS List game at the moment. I'm sure all the code will be highly-optimized. I haven't done any code-opts yet, but when I am finished I will. I would be very surprised if anyone could optimize any more then it will be. Of course, if anyone wanted to replace the SLOOOOOW AMOS Bobs with some fast extension (PowerBobs?), that would certainly help... Take Care, GARFIELD From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 8 14:28:01 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01780 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14968 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14965 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA13169 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id aa0020016; 8 Aug 97 17:33 MET DST Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:46:27 +0200 To: "Mr. Giark To You" Cc: AMOS List From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Re: CB_and_Shareware In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Status: O X-Status: In message , "Mr. Giark To You" writes >>> contributed enough to merit payment and we can charge $1 per each person >>> involved, so you can just send $1 from each sale to each party, maybe >>> quarterly or something. Sound fair? >>Yeah, sounds fair enough. > >Good. It'lll keep the price reasonable and let us get a bit of cash for our >efforts. Ehm, not to be too troublesome, but I do not want any money for my contribution to the CB game. It would be against the principles of TRS who strive to help people for no cost (unless it is for a commercial full-priced game ofcourse published by a "real" software house). Just an add with the program and my name on the credits list is payment enough for me. -- Evert-Jan Slypen From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 8 15:31:22 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08314 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14955 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14948 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA13152 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id aa0020015; 8 Aug 97 17:33 MET DST Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:51:22 +0200 To: "Mr. Giark To You" Cc: AMOS List From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Re: shareware!? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Status: O X-Status: In message , "Mr. Giark To You" writes >>> No matter how well you protect a program, someone will always crack it in >>> the end. Thats why you only have specialist files, ones with more than on= >>> password which must be entered on running, and also encryption etc. > >This makes for headaches when selling the program. As I said in another >message, if no one bothers to register (we have failed in our ad campaign!) >then we'll release it as freeware. But why not at least try to get some cash >for our efforts first? One other thing you could do is to encode the name of the person who bought the original within the program. This way you can at least see who the culprit is and maybe take legal action / in any case not give him support or future releases. -- Evert-Jan Slypen From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 8 09:17:20 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16706 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA03389 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03386 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hil-img-6.compuserve.com (hil-img-6.compuserve.com [149.174.177.136]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21504 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-6.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.2) id IAA10745 for amos-list@access.digex.net; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: 08 Aug 97 08:21:19 EDT From: Steve Wood To: "'Amos Mailing List'" Subject: Hello, Message-ID: Status: RO X-Status: All, Hi, I've been away from the Amiga scene, and AMOS, for a while. Now I'm back with a new machine, 1200 upgraded, and ready for another stint with AMOS. My first question back on the list is: What is the current state of extensions, EasyLife etc. I use currently use 1.10 in Pro, have I missed any updates? Cheers, Steve W From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 09:29:28 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20573 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA00934 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 06:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA00931 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 06:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA01139 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 06:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id aa0009979; 9 Aug 97 12:03 MET DST Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:55:48 +0200 To: Peter Cahill Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Re: Pang In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id GAA00932 Status: O X-Status: In message , Peter Cahill writes > First Id like everyone to check out the new demo of pang (Ive got NO replys >on this) What do you expect, everybodyīs busy with their respective parts! (I know I am) I did download the demo though, so here you go. >I know that some people had problems with the old version but the new version >is in lha, runs properly, is much smoother, has less bugs, no 'file not exe' >error, & more stuff ,DOWNLOAD IT !!!! Yep, all problems were solved. Well, except that if you pick up a certain powerup it crashes, but I suspect this is due to routines not being in there yet to handle the powerup. >I remember Kieth asking for bouncing bubbles - should they bounce off all >the edges of the screen ? That was me. :) They should not bounce off the screen natch. >The next demo of pang will be much better but without comments how can you >expect loads of improvements? I gave you a huge list of things you could implement, like weapons etc. Did you not get that? > >SOME REPLYS ON PANG PLEASE! Well, in brief, more weapons, more powerups, maybe have the screen scroll a bit to have a bigger playfield, a new background, and that was about it. That should get you going. :) -- Evert-Jan Slypen From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 8 14:21:18 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01111 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA22217 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22214 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCSDEV.MCS.CO.UK (SYSTEM@mcsdev.mcs.co.uk [193.32.50.112]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA23488 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:15 GMT From: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk) Message-Id: <009B87AF8F73A8E0.2936@mcs.co.uk> To: amos-list@digex.net Subject: A web page is born. X-VMS-To: MCSDEV::SMTP%"amos-list@digex.net" Status: RO X-Status: Hello all! Well, I said I would tell you my web page address when I'd uploaded it, so here it is: http://village.vossnet.co.uk/c/champion You'll probably be most interested in the programming projects page :) (go there direct by adding "/projects.html" to the end of that ULR). There's not much really of interest up there at the moment, but in the future, I'm hoping to have some stuff to download from the projects page. All I really want for now is comments. The pages are up, but they're hardly finished. I'd appreciate some feedback about broken links, bad layout, bad spelling, anything really :) Right. That's all for now. See y'all! / |\ / \ | \ / / |_/ \_ (Simon Champion) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Everything begins with an 'E'..." From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 8 17:26:20 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29120 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA24987 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24984 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA26237 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16604 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1997 18:04:39 -0000 Received: from lp1-4.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.83.68) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 1997 18:04:39 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: Mush To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 13:27:50 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: CB_and_Shareware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Mr. Giark To You scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 07-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: CB_and_Shareware: > Good. It'lll keep the price reasonable and let us get a bit of cash for our > efforts. Yeah, it should do. Has anyone actually sat down and figured out a price which is "reasonable" just yet? > Go for it. Also, there is the promotional stuff dir for any ads or whatever > that anyone wants to put in. Yeah, anything to go in here (executables, pics, texts etc.) I would prefer if people sent directly to me at some point towards the completion of the project. Because I am sending out the actual program, the contents can be changed at any time. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 8 17:44:52 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01352 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA24992 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24989 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA29274 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16626 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1997 18:04:45 -0000 Received: from lp1-4.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.83.68) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 1997 18:04:45 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: Mush To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 13:58:32 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: AMIGA games MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: --==Murray==-- scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 07-Aug-97 regarding the subject of AMIGA games: > I remember the good old days.... :) > when games like Turrican II and Kick Off II were around. > Super smooth, super playable and just plain brilliant. These are the sorts of > games that if you > play them on a PC, they just aren't as good. Technically, they may have more > colours or more > fancy effects (normally a CD video intro... wow!) but as for the game, its > just not the same. Yes, definately the case. I can remember legging it home from school, just to load up my C64 to play buggy boy and bomb jack, before having a good blast at stunt car racer! There wasnt any fancy GFX effects, but the playability was 100% which made it extremely easy to play. > Why is it that all new games try so hard to be like PC games? > When you compare brand new A1200 games to A500 games of 4 years ago, the old > games always win! I guess its because people have seen and played the PC games in the shops, and want to try and bring the market that strayed over, back to the amiga thinking "Hey, this machine *can* do that after all..." > Now the Amiga can't do all those fancy effects as good as the consoles/pc's > (at least not with > the current standard setup) so surely we should all aim for the playable side? > Oh, and playeble > doesn't mean small either. > Some people, if they were told to make a playable game, would make a Tetris > clone. Big, > complicated games can be playable too. Playable isnt small or big, its how well the user can interface with the game. If you grasp that concept, then the size of the game doesnt matter all that much. > What every struggling computer needs is a game that is unlike anything on any > other computer. > It doesn't need to be completely original. In fact, I think that the best way > to do it would be > to take an old concept except with a new twist and just keep adding little > details until you get > a game that everytime you play it, something new happens. Yes, thats usually the best way to come about it. Look at Paul Burkey's Sneech for example, a damn 100% playable game, with tonnes more fun addiction by adding the useage of weapons etc to destroy your enemy big style! Anyone who hasnt seen this game, I suggest you get it from my library right now! > The 2nd list game (the Command and Conquer one) appears to have got no where > and I'm not sure > that it is actually going to be original in the slightest (but I could be > wrong) I havent heard anything from this one in a while, from what I have heard though, it was coming along rather nicely. > Look at some of the most popular past amiga games and come up with some great > new way of doing > it. > Syndicate, Civilization (Civ 2 on the PC is in my opininion the best PC game > ever), Chaos Engine, > Flashback, IK+, Space Hulk. Theres a few to think about. I still think the best Amiga 500 game ever made was Stunt Car Racer, and as soon as I can speed up my routines, i'll make a version of my own! > Flashback and Space Hulk especially could be EASILY done on AMOS with no speed > problems. (I > started a version of Flashback myself which ran at perfect speed). > Space Hulk was amazingly atmospheric. One of the few games that can actually > induce panic as you > race to save the marines once you realise an alien has broken through. I have an excellent "Flashback" clone in my PD library, i'll just see what it was called... Bugger, cant find it. I know Asa sent it me a while back, sheesh, I hate it when that happens. I'll search my diskbox tonight. Another good another-world type game I have is Green 5, and I *still* havent made it all the way through yet. Lots of in-game animations in it too, hehe. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 8 16:27:33 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21946 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA24997 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24994 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01030 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16638 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1997 18:04:49 -0000 Received: from lp1-4.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.83.68) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 1997 18:04:49 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 14:00:38 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Hello, MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Steve Wood scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 08-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Hello,: > All, > Hi, I've been away from the Amiga scene, and AMOS, for a while. Now I'm back > with a new machine, 1200 upgraded, and ready for another stint with AMOS. > My first question back on the list is: > What is the current state of extensions, EasyLife etc. I use currently use > 1.10 > in Pro, have I missed any updates? I think there was one update, im not too sure. If you go to the PD sections of my homepages and look in the lists of extensions, im sure you'll find all the info you'll need. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 8 18:39:49 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07613 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04679 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04636 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09876 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5403 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1997 19:42:12 -0000 Received: from herp1-8.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.136) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 1997 19:42:12 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Evert-Jan Slypen , "Mr. Giark To You" CC: AMOS List Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 15:42:23 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: CB_and_Shareware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Evert-Jan Slypen scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 08-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: CB_and_Shareware: > >>> contributed enough to merit payment and we can charge $1 per each person > >>> involved, so you can just send $1 from each sale to each party, maybe > >>> quarterly or something. Sound fair? > >>Yeah, sounds fair enough. > > > >Good. It'lll keep the price reasonable and let us get a bit of cash for our > >efforts. > Ehm, not to be too troublesome, but I do not want any money for my > contribution to the CB game. It would be against the principles of TRS > who strive to help people for no cost (unless it is for a commercial > full-priced game ofcourse published by a "real" software house). > Just an add with the program and my name on the credits list is payment > enough for me. OK, that can be arranged. I myself arent making any money off the project either, as all I am doing really, is a high-score table. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 02:44:55 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA18798 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04800 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04792 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09846 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6396 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1997 19:46:12 -0000 Received: from herp1-8.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.136) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 1997 19:46:12 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Evert-Jan Slypen , "Mr. Giark To You" CC: AMOS List Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 15:46:23 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: shareware!? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Evert-Jan Slypen scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 08-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: shareware!?: > One other thing you could do is to encode the name of the person who > bought the original within the program. This way you can at least see > who the culprit is and maybe take legal action / in any case not give > him support or future releases. This is one of the reasons I would like to distribute it myself, rather than upload it to a first virtual server. Before starting, the system would require a small keyfile, which I myself create quite easily and distribute with the software, which contains the name and address of the registered person. I have several different encryption methods I use, so will make it encrypt the same info 2 or 3 times, and shut down if it detects a tamperment. One method around this, is for the keyfile to contain some kind of important variable needed by the listgame itself. Plus, if a hacked keyfile goes up on a BBS somewhere, I can scan the keyfile and retract the person's name and address from another, better encryption, not called by the program, and send the info to a worldwide piratelist. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 8 17:51:32 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02049 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05854 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05851 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16749 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7238 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1997 19:49:46 -0000 Received: from herp1-8.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.136) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 1997 19:49:46 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 15:49:58 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: alt.religion.amos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Is people around the world seeing the postings im making to the newsgroup? I know they can be seen in England, and noone else I know of has tested it. I received booster conformations from New Zealand, and Germany, but not sure of who can and cant exactly read it. If you can, please send some kind of message to the newsgroup itself. Thanks Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 04:18:20 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA15403 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 04:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA00519 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00516 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.15]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA10439 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA22988 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:58:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pit-pa1-04.ix.netcom.com(199.183.195.36) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma022974; Sat Aug 9 01:58:12 1997 From: Garfield Benjamin Reply-To: Garfield Benjamin To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 02:27:57 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Bullfrog games MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 09-Aug-97, --==Murray==-- wrote: >This is something I'd wondered about for ages. >With games like Syndicate and Powermonger (and even Populus) >they all have around 100 people doing reasonably intelligent >stuff. I have no troubles getting 8 very intelligent things or 20 >reasonably intelligent things, but 100 or more? >Obviously the assembly programming helps alot but is it really >that much? Yes, don't let people fool you... it is MUCH faster than AMOS code. While you are processing 8 VI objects in AMOS, you could be processing 40 VI objects or more (depending on how optimized your original AMOS code, with the 8 objects, was)... >Does anyone know the secrets of this sort of thing? However, every language has it's limit... so, what they do is use a kind of priority-processing method (I would assume)... Say you have those 100 objects scattered around a fairly large area (multiple screens in size)... Your first priority is to update the objects which are currently visible. These are updated every frame. Your second priority would be to update the IMPORTANT non-visible objects. Say you decide to process five of these per frame. Finally, you process everything else, only one of these, less important non-visible objects, per frame should be sufficient. It would be easier if AMOS supported Lists, but it doesn't, so you could just similate them, which thankfully is quite easy, although quite messy as well! Just set up three array-types, for example... VISIBLEOBJS() would contain pointers to the Visible (on-screen) objects. IMPORTANTOBJS() would contain pointers to the NON-visible, but important objects (say an assassin tracking you down). OTHEROBJS would contain pointers to the remaining objects. VISIBLEOBJS are updated every frame. Five of the IMPORTANTOBJS are processed each frame. One of the OTHEROBJS is processed each frame. Basically, you just transfer the pointers around, through each of the three ARRAY-TYPES, as the game progresses. For example if IMPORTANTOBJS(1) moves on-screen, it is "removed" from IMPORTANTOBJS() and added to VISIBLEOBJS(). Oh, of course you need the actual MASTEROBJECT arrays which tell the details for every Object: postion, image, current action, etc. The other three arrays just contain a Pointer to this MASTEROBJS array. So, you'd retrieve the object-number from say OTHEROBJS(1) and say it is 5. This tells you that the actual OBJECT you are processing is object-number 5 in the MASTEROBJECT arrays... Or, a simpler (but more memory-intensive) method, rather than removing/adding entries ala Dynamic linked-list style, would be to Define the three TYPE-ARRAYS with 100 elements each. Then just loop through all 100 of the VISIBLEOBJS each frame and process every VISIBLEOBJ() that is non-zero as Object loop#. Same applies for OTHEROBJS and IMPORTANTOBJS, just loop for five reps on OTHEROBJS, if non-zero, process OBJECT loop#. This way, all you have to do, to transfer Objects between the three ARRAY-TYPES, is simply zero out the old ARRAY-TYPE and Set the New ARRAY-TYPE, for the Object in question, as in: IMPORTANTOBJS(1)=False : VISIBLEOBJS(1)=True This IMPORTANT, non-visible object just entered the visible playfield... Anyway, it would be MUCH easier with structures and lists, but anything can be done if you just go to the fundamentals... Hope it helps. Take Care, GARFIELD From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 04:34:02 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA16136 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 04:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA00513 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00510 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA10435 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA27780 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:58:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pit-pa1-04.ix.netcom.com(199.183.195.36) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma027769; Sat Aug 9 01:58:22 1997 From: Garfield Benjamin Reply-To: Garfield Benjamin To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 03:03:17 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: AMIGA games MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 09-Aug-97, --==Murray==-- wrote: >> Actually, Warcraft is a good choice for AMOS. >There's that quoting previous games again. ? I mentioned Warcraft just to give some frame of reference same as you mentioned Command and Conquer... >Warcraft (although quite good) good be severly improved upon I >think. Much more originality needs to be put in and to be honest >I'm not sure the entire game topic would be best either. Definitely, I think it could be improved on too. Again, I just used it as a style of game. We could use Warcraft as a starting point and work more detail/gameplay into the whole thing... >A fantasy style game has the feeling of old role playing games >and whilst alot of people like that (including myself, although >not as much recently), things like Command and Conquer with >much more familar topics is more widely appealing. Okay, forget Warcraft and use Command and Conquer as the starting point then. Actually, I think Diablo looks pretty cool so we could also use that as a model and build on it... >Something else that seems to get at me recently is that I feel >that things have to be done fast due to the AMIGAs demise. I >think its still going down hill and theres not alot of time to >spend working things out before creating your masterpieces. First, the time of the 680x0 series Amiga is over. There's no denying that. It is still a great machine, but the CPU speed and Blitter speed are "outdated" as far as leading-edge commercial development is concerned. Personally, I believe the worst is over... we are now at the dawn of a new era. Gateway2000 can make the new Amiga generation succeed. The A\box and PIOS One machines will be able to compete in the current marketplace and in the coming years as well. Second, you have to take the time to do the project right. I love to see how fast I can make small Freeware games, but to make the kind of games selling IBMs and consoles you must be willing to spend MANY months of hard work. Many of the top games on IBM and consoles were created in a period of 2, 3 or more years. The way I see it, if you are going to work on a SUPER system- seller of a game, start it now on the Amiga, but target the A\box or PIOS One (at the very least the 50MHz Amigas). Don't rely on Amal or too many AMOS-specific commands so the game will be as portable as possible. Actually, we really do need that AGA Extension which should be arriving in the weeks ahead. Then we just make the biggest, greatest game ever seen and don't even worry about the fact that it runs at 1 frame per second on a standard A1200. Once it's on the A/box, we'll probably find it hitting 50/60fps easily. That way, when these machines are available, Gateway, Phase5 and PIOS(?) will have some SUPERB software available. >I've tried Powerbobs but found it so limiting that I'm not sure I >could really ever use it. I can't remember all the problems but >one was a 32 pixel width limit. It may be OK for the side shooter >though...? 32-pixel width limit? That's a bit rediculous. I could use it for Phase One of the SideShooter, but that's it. The Mid-Stage Boss is 96 pixels wide and some of the asteroids (Phase three) are 64 pixels wide. Who knows how big the Final Boss will be, half- screen maybe... Speaking of the SideShooter, this weekend I should actually be able to work on the stage. As I said, this MidBoss Phase is very simple compared to mapping out the hundreds of details for the Enemy appearance maps of Phase One, so it won't take nearly as long. Should have a new demo up Sunday night... maybe. I seem to only work on the thing on the weekends, don't know why exactly. Just seems like the weekdays are so busy and fly by so fast, next thing I know it's the weekend again... Take Care, GARFIELD From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 04:41:43 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA04660 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 04:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA00372 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00369 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA26054 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7119 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1997 03:37:49 -0000 Received: from herp1-7.redrose.net (mushy-pd@208.7.248.135) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 1997 03:37:49 -0000 Received: by mushypd.redrose.net (V1.16/Amiga) id AA000ca; Fri, 8 Aug 97 23:37:50 GMT Date: Fri, 8 Aug 97 23:37:50 GMT Message-Id: <9708082337.AA000c9@mushypd.redrose.net> X-Comment: 10101010 X-Comment: Generated by Mailinglist Manager V2.10 X-Comment: Written by Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett (C) July/August 1997 X-Comment: Create multiple mailinglists with connections to both Email and news readers X-Comment: and combine the 2 with ease of use. X-Comment: Available from www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk (Demo Version) From: rwbenjamin@sosbbs.com (Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: [AMOSList] Andrew Kellett Status: O X-Status: Andrew I have been reading these news-groups 'amos list' messages, since you started them. They are just fine. I am using Deja News, and live in Pennsylvania, USA Sincerely, Robert W. Benjamin (amos list member) -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- -- Brought to you from the AMOS Mailinglist!! mailto: amos-request@access.digex.net Subject: SUBSCRIBE Posted via Mailinglist Manager V2.10, available soon from http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk - the worlds largest AMOS homepages Email me at mushypd@redrose.net for more information! From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 02:38:35 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA18343 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA29595 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29592 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA02704 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5201 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1997 03:27:51 -0000 Received: from herp1-7.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.135) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 1997 03:27:51 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 23:28:01 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33EC1666.5837@virgin.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Bullfrog games MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: --==Murray==-- scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 09-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Bullfrog games: > Does anyone know the secrets of this sort of thing? One way I always overcome multiple routines, is make the routine only execute one tiny part of a large task, and then end. I create it in such a way, that 20 or 30 different procedures could be instigated, and leaving each time, so each one is being run as the main routine is ran. I have a small flag to determine if something somewhere should be happening, and if the system finds this flag, it will run that small procedure, increment its flag, end if it has to and reset the flag, or simply just go to the next piece. To put it simpler, i have each routine call once from the main routine in the loop, if it needs to be. For example, in a main game routine, I make a call to the timer routine, which checks for the current time, and if it needs updated or not, then onto player movement, and then onto drawing. With Extreme AMOS, the texts were loading in as you were viewing them, making calls to the user interface also, so you didnt lose any speed. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 02:23:20 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA17222 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA29533 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29527 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail4.geocities.com [204.7.246.134]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA21239 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acer-200 (tul-ok2-03.ix.netcom.com [204.31.234.67]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA05938; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708090441.VAA05938@geocities.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Parrott" Organization: Parrottsoft, Ltd. To: --==Murray==-- Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:42:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: AMIGA games Reply-to: parrottsoft@usa.net CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: <33EC143E.6610@virgin.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Status: O X-Status: Greetings. > Sorry but I've been a bit skeptical about all these AMOS 3D > raycasters. They sound great but so far the only one I've seen (John > Bintz I think) was very slow with very low detail on a medium spec > AMIGA. I won't judge yet though! I do hope they live up to promises. hehe, "skeptical??". Well, I don't blame you, either. I didn't think it had ever been done before until I ran across John's raycaster, and much to my suprise it had been done it AMOS! It was that small bit of inspiration, coupled with some programmers drive and the fact I didn't have any projects at the time, that I decided to write on (along with a 3D game to utilize it). (I had originally drew up the concept to write a raycaster and start on this project earlier this January). Btw, I'm hoping to change the "very slow, very low detail on a medium spec Amiga (and I think John is too, he said he was rewriting his original raycaster, which he asked for beta tests, and I responded, never getting a reply! ahem.) Dictatorship (n): a form of government under which everything which is not prohibited is compulsory. Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@usa.net, work: parrottsoft@usa.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 05:05:35 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA18030 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 05:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA00689 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 04:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA00686 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 04:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA24067 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 04:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7398 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1997 05:43:30 -0000 Received: from herp1-7.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.135) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 1997 05:43:30 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 01:43:41 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: [AMOSList] Andrew Kellett MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Cool! Where abouts in Pennsylvania are you from? Im situated in Pennsylvania also, I live with the mrs. in a small town called Elizabethtown, Lancaster. Its near Harrisburg. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 8 21:57:18 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA10616 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19176 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19166 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17151 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p33-grebe-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.63.153]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA14004 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:18:13 +0100 Message-ID: <33EC125F.477E@virgin.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 23:46:55 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMOS List Subject: Re: AMIGA games Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > Personally, I believe we are even beyond this point. Problem > with the "great game sells a system" approach is that the > Amiga is not considered a stable market. Perhaps now it is more > stable than in previous years, but look at what happened with > Worms. Didn't necessarily sell Amigas, did it? No, what happens > is that every great Amiga game will be ported to IBM & consoles. Hmmm. Thats a big problem really. If someone develops an excellent AMIGA game, they're not very likely to turn down the chance of making MUCH more money from conversions to other machines just so that the AMIGA can have some sort of advantage. The only hope would be to have the conversions not released for some time after the original AMIGA version. Somehow I have the feeling that software companys would rather release all versions virtually together though. > Actually, Warcraft is a good choice for AMOS. I'm not against > making a "complex" game and would be glad to work on a > Warcraft-style game with other Listers. My point was that we > should pick a simpler project TO GAIN EXPERIENCE WORKING > TOGETHER, not because I (or anyone else on this list) wasn't > capable of creating a more "complex" game... There's that quoting previous games again. Warcraft (although quite good) good be severly improved upon I think. Much more originality needs to be put in and to be honest I'm not sure the entire game topic would be best either. A fantasy style game has the feeling of old role playing games and whilst alot of people like that (including myself, although not as much recently), things like Command and Conquer with much more familar topics is more widely appealing. > IF the Warcraft List-game is not progressing it's probably due to > determining how everyone will work together. Something I tried > to explain before... DO A SIMPLER PROJECT FIRST WITH THE SOLE- > PURPOSE BEING TO WORK OUT THE BEST GROUP-DEVELOPMENT > METHODS... Once you have that down, the sky's the limit!! Something else that seems to get at me recently is that I feel that things have to be done fast due to the AMIGAs demise. I think its still going down hill (anyone seen that AMIGA computings next issue will be its last?) and theres not alot of time to spend working things out before creating your masterpieces. > Of course, if anyone wanted to replace the SLOOOOOW AMOS > Bobs with some fast extension (PowerBobs?), that would > certainly help... Yes. Thats something needed. And faster bob collision routines. I've tried Powerbobs but found it so limiting that I'm not sure I could really ever use it. I can't remember all the problems but one was a 32 pixel width limit. It may be OK for the side shooter though...? -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 8 21:48:25 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA10046 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19207 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19200 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03626 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p33-grebe-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.63.153]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA14030 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:18:20 +0100 Message-ID: <33EC143E.6610@virgin.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 23:54:54 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMOS List Subject: Re: AMIGA games References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > > Why is it that all new games try so hard to be like PC games? > > When you compare brand new A1200 games to A500 games of 4 years ago, the old > > games always win! > > I guess its because people have seen and played the PC games in the shops, > and want to try and bring the market that strayed over, back to the amiga > thinking "Hey, this machine *can* do that after all..." But too be honest it can't. It can make very simplified versions of them which just make people think its an inadequate machine compared to the rest. Sure, with these PowerPCs it'll all change, but unless the cost is significantly lower than a PC then..... anyway, I'm not talking about that. > Playable isnt small or big, its how well the user can interface with the > game. If you grasp that concept, then the size of the game doesnt matter > all that much. I think it does to some extent. A very small playable game can be alot of fun but its a big playable game that really makes the difference in selling machines. > I havent heard anything from this one in a while, from what I have heard > though, it was coming along rather nicely. All there is on the web page is a menu routine! > I still think the best Amiga 500 game ever made was Stunt Car Racer, and as > soon as I can speed up my routines, i'll make a version of my own! Excellent game, especially with a serial link, although you couldn't play the other leagues very easily. Can your routines really keep up the good speed? Sorry but I've been a bit skeptical about all these AMOS 3D raycasters. They sound great but so far the only one I've seen (John Bintz I think) was very slow with very low detail on a medium spec AMIGA. I won't judge yet though! I do hope they live up to promises. -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 8 21:34:28 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08920 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19260 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19253 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10031 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p33-grebe-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.63.153]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA14059 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:18:27 +0100 Message-ID: <33EC1538.89B@virgin.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 23:59:04 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMOS List Subject: Re: AMIGA games References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > The game Evils Doom on the 1200 is new, and is the best first person rpg > >i've ever played, on AMiga & PC. I think I tried that. If I've got the correct name that it managed about 1 frame every two seconds on mine. OK. So I could do with upgrading but its not that bad and surely to sell any significant amount they will have to aim lower than what they have done. (poor english, I know) > Hanger 18 is cool. Thanks. > My C&C clone (not the list one) has, in my opinion, some originality in > it, if you want, i'll send you an infopack about it when i've finished > >making the pack for the other developers. Yes please. I would be interested in taking a look. > >>started a version of Flashback myself which ran at perfect speed). > If you still have the source and don't want it, you can send it to me > and i'll keep working on it. I haven't completely given up yet. > I recon that's got the best intro music that i've heard for a while, but > then i heard the music eh? -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 8 21:07:28 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21825 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19309 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19302 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17179 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p33-grebe-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.63.153]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA14089 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:18:34 +0100 Message-ID: <33EC15A2.4AE4@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 00:00:50 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMOS List Subject: To Chris Hodges Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Sorry. One of these days I will note down his address. Qrnd(0) appears to equal 3. In direct mode it works OK and returns 0 but in a program it seems to return 3. Sounds like a useless command I know, but it is quite useful for me. -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 8 21:18:20 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22644 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19350 for amos-out; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19343 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03648 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p33-grebe-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.63.153]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA14110 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:18:41 +0100 Message-ID: <33EC1666.5837@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 00:04:06 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMOS List Subject: Bullfrog games Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: This is something I'd wondered about for ages. With games like Syndicate and Powermonger (and even Populus) they all have around 100 people doing reasonably intelligent stuff. Know, I have no troubles getting maybe 8 very intelligent things or 20 or so reasonably intelligent things going and keeping up the game speed but 100 or more? Obviously the assembly programming helps alot but is it really that much? Does anyone know the secrets of this sort of thing? -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 17:24:55 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18948 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14790 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14787 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15611 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA19865 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:25:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pit-pa1-15.ix.netcom.com(199.183.195.47) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma019855; Sat Aug 9 15:25:07 1997 From: Garfield Benjamin Reply-To: Garfield Benjamin To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 15:26:09 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: C&C/WarCraft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 09-Aug-97, Rune J. Keller wrote: >I'm the one who runs the web page for the 2. list game: The C&C/ >WarCraft game. Hello Rune. >I started out very optimistic with this thing; loads of people >seemed to be interested and the first list game worked out >pretty well. Thus I made up some code and ideas for this game >and announced the page together with Laurie Curwood, asking >for any ideas, comments, code or gfx. Anything. Do you have the game design started? >About 1 1/2 months has passed since, and I have got ABSOLUTELY >NO response, except from ONE guy who wanted to do some gfx (I >just forgot your name! Still working on it?) >Wasn't this project interesting after all!? What did go wrong!? >Should we terminate the project or what!? >Please give me a little response!!! Obviously, I am currently involved in the AMOSList Game#1, but I'll give some input anyway... If you and Laurie work on the Game Design NOW, then by the time we have the First List game completed, you should have the ImprovedWarcraft GameDesign completed. At that point, I will help out with the module-definition, coding, etc. You can't really get anywhere until you have the GameDesign done, so you know what exactly you are creating. Once that's complete, what I do is break the GameDesign down into the Main modules, which are further broken down in to the SubRoutines and Tasks. Once you've reached this point (you have both the GameDesign and ProgramStructure/ModuleRequirements), you can list these on your WebPage and the programmers can select a module to work on. Same applies to the gfx, sounds and music. Need the Game Design first, as that will contain everything needed. Just need to extract all imagery, sounds, music and list them on the web- page, along with the modules, and then let everyone jump in and grab each tiny piece (whether it be code-module, image, or whatever). Just something to consider... Take Care, GARFIELD From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 17:43:42 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20089 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14798 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14795 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07449 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA15702 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:26:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pit-pa1-15.ix.netcom.com(199.183.195.47) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma015638; Sat Aug 9 15:25:25 1997 From: Garfield Benjamin Reply-To: Garfield Benjamin To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 16:02:12 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: AMIGA games MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 09-Aug-97, Mr. Giark To You wrote: >On 08-Aug-97, Garfield Benjamin wrote: Actually Garfield Benjamin did NOT write these first two remarks, I listed them in response to --==Murray==--... >>>As for the current list game, I think it will do very well indeed. >>>But not commercially. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >In what way? Granted, the Amiga shareware market is less >active than the ibm market, but there must be SOME loyal >amigans who would pay to support a project of this type. After >all, this is the first international amiga programming effort. >We're actually worldwide. In fact, I'm thinking of a credits page >map of the world with highlights showing where all our >contributors come from. Sounds EXCELLENT to me. The part about the world-map is very interesting. I'm located in Pennsylvania in the good 'ol USA. NorthEast PA to be more precise. >> The current plan is for it to be released as Licenceware and this >> is very good. >Granted, none of us will become rich off this game (unless a >software house wants to buy it) but the money we do earn will >give us all a bit more incentive to do this madness again. Believe >me, as project coordinator, it's NOT an easy task. Again, I agree completely! I want the game to be released as Non-Freeware!! It's not just the money, it helps the Amiga in general. Shows it's active, defines Non-Freeware standards, and yes, if we're fortunate, earns us a little cash... Actually, it is quite possible we could find a publisher, such as EPIC Marketing, to release the game as one of their new Budget Commercial titles. I don't care how you guys do it, Shareware, Licenceware or Budget Commercial. Anything but Freeware. When you start working on games like CapnBubba and releasing them as Freeware, you might as well pack it up because I guarantee, users will expect it again and again. Shareware registrations will drop even further, Licenceware will be effected. Problem with the Amiga is that too many times in the past, developers weren't responsible in that they didn't look at the effects their releases would have on the market. It's the same with the mags. Some give out entire commercial games FREE on their coverdisks. Yes, it's great for us as users, but it's killing the market. How can you expect users to register Shareware games, purchase Licenceware games or Commercial games when they can obtain such high-quality software for NOTHING (well, almost nothing). The answer is, quite simply, we can't. I know, I got carried away again, but there is a valid point here and considering MUCH of the Amiga developing talent is located on this AMOS List, we could repair at least some of the damage if we would all "come together" on this... Take Care, GARFIELD From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 17:33:33 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19508 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14803 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14800 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07460 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA19963 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:27:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pit-pa1-15.ix.netcom.com(199.183.195.47) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma019949; Sat Aug 9 15:26:53 1997 From: Garfield Benjamin Reply-To: Garfield Benjamin To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 16:29:46 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: AMIGA games MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 09-Aug-97, --==Murray==-- wrote: >Which is the exact reason I code in AMOS. I don't have all day to >spend on programs and I don't fancy spending years on projects >but with AMOS I don't need to. I've got enough experience so >that I can turn my hand to almost anything and have something >playable ready within a couple of hours. Agreed. AMOS makes development incredibly fast/easy and I'm sure many people on this List (myself included) are at the point where they can churn out games/code in a few days time. Problem is, it's more than just the coding. Programming is only one aspect of game-development. In my experience, Unlimited Design is working on a commercial game, the GFX take longer than anything else. The artists have been working for ONE YEAR now on the gfx. The images are fantastic, fully 3d-rendered, as good as any you'll see on Playstation/IBM, but to get that level of quality- animation, it takes time. Our lead artist, Dave told me his Amiga spent two days solid just rendering out the main player gfx, and of course, first he had to spend the time to model them all. Combine this with the fact that many of us have jobs, families and you just have to accept that it will take a good amount of time to create anything of TOP-QUALITY. >The problem with it is obviously its not as optimised as those >programmed in ASM or C but hopefully with the new cards and >A/box, that problem will be reduced. AMOS programmers will >always have to aim slightly lower in terms of speed compared to >up-to-the-date programs but it will still open many doors. Exactly. And like the guys doing the raycasters, once they have the techniques down, the code can always be ported over to the A/box, where it will quite likely run "fast as hell". >I am right in thinking that the A/box IS power PC isn't it? >If so, we may be getting AGA finally, but now we need power PC >support for AMOS! Well, I know I'm going to be flamed for this, but you really only have two choices... First, port the AMOS-code over to C. Write some gfx/sound/ music convertors to transfer your non-code files over to A\box. That is the method I was aiming for... OR We will have to write our own IMPROVED version of AMOS on the A\box, again most likely in C. I know one guy on this List is currently working on a MUCH IMPROVED version of AMOS. A sort of hybrid language with the best of both AMOS and C/C++. If he can get the support needed to finish his Amiga version, he wants to port it to the A\box. Now, I hope I can find time to help with this project. It will be MUCH better using POP then C/C++. Take Care, GARFIELD From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 09:20:39 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20126 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA01990 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01987 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cicero.cybercity.dk (cicero.cybercity.dk [195.8.128.13]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16913 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.cybercity.dk (usr00.cybercity.dk [195.8.128.200]) by cicero.cybercity.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22098 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:09:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vip.cybercity.dk (ccc21504@msx-03-1-11.1033.cybercity.dk [195.8.138.12]) by vip.cybercity.dk (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id OAA15257 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:03:44 +0200 (CEST) From: "Rune J. Keller" To: AMOS List Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 14:06:42 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: C&C/WarCraft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: I'm the one who runs the web page for the 2. list game: The C&C/WarCraft game. I started out very optimistic with this thing; loads of people seemed to be interested and the first list game worked out pretty well. Thus I made up some code and ideas for this game and announced the page together with Laurie Curwood, asking for any ideas, comments, code or gfx. Anything. About 1 1/2 months has passed since, and I have got ABSOLUTELY NO response, except from ONE guy who wanted to do some gfx (I just forgot your name! Still working on it?) Wasn't this project interesting after all!? What did go wrong!? Should we terminate the project or what!? Please give me a little response!!! -- rune j. keller - sporuplundsvej 105 - dk-8472 sporup - keller@vip.cybercity.dk - it's the millennium... motives are incidental... From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 12:41:03 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18716 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05154 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05151 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10154 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp15-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.64]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19750 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:44:36 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 09:59:58 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: CB_and_Shareware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 08-Aug-97, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote: >>Good. It'lll keep the price reasonable and let us get a bit of cash for our >>efforts. >Ehm, not to be too troublesome, but I do not want any money for my >contribution to the CB game. That's not troublesome, it helps keep the final price down. >Just an add with the program and my name on the credits list is payment >enough for me. Good enough. Don't forget the promotional stuff dir, where you can put a demo of something of yours to be included with the final release. (You have all checked out the final directory structure?) Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 12:33:08 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18235 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05159 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05156 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24908 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp15-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.64]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19757 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:44:43 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 10:02:06 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: shareware!? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 08-Aug-97, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote: >>This makes for headaches when selling the program. As I said in another >>message, if no one bothers to register (we have failed in our ad campaign!) >>then we'll release it as freeware. But why not at least try to get some cash >>for our efforts first? >One other thing you could do is to encode the name of the person who >bought the original within the program. It would require either a keyfile or a recompile of the program for each registered user. How about it, Mush? Which idea seems best to you? Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 13:22:07 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21747 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 13:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05164 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05161 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10180 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp15-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.64]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19762 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:44:48 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 10:12:31 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: AMIGA games MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 08-Aug-97, Garfield Benjamin wrote: >>As for the current list game, I think it will do very well indeed. We're hoping. >>But not commercially. In what way? Granted, the Amiga shareware market is less active than the ibm market, but there must be SOME loyal amigans who would pay to support a project of this type. After all, this is the first international amiga programming effort. We're actually worldwide. In fact, I'm thinking of a credits page map of the world with highlights showing where all our contributors come from. > The current plan is for it to be released as Licenceware and this > is very good. Granted, none of us will become rich off this game (unless a software house wants to buy it) but the money we do earn will give us all a bit more incentive to do this madness again. Believe me, as project coordinator, it's NOT an easy task. > Of course, if anyone wanted to replace the SLOOOOOW AMOS > Bobs with some fast extension (PowerBobs?), that would > certainly help... How about a list from someone of all the FREE extensions? Is powerbobs freeware or would it require registering? Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 12:20:18 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17423 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05169 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05166 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10202 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp15-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.64]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19770 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:44:54 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 10:14:49 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: security MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 08-Aug-97, Mush wrote: >This is one of the reasons I would like to distribute it myself, rather >than upload it to a first virtual server. Before starting, the system would >require a small keyfile, which I myself create quite easily and distribute >with the software, which contains the name and address of the registered >person. It's up to you, Mush. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 23:06:30 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01398 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21499 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21496 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.15]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA29427 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA24283 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 19:32:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pit-pa3-12.ix.netcom.com(199.183.195.108) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma024234; Sat Aug 9 19:32:04 1997 From: Garfield Benjamin Reply-To: Garfield Benjamin To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 20:38:59 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: PortingAMOS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: >Well, my raycaster is a combonation of C, C++, Asm (from PC), >and some of my own ideas and adaptations ported and >converted to AMOS. Exactly!! If you can do that, then I'm sure you know it's just as possible to port from AMOS back to C, and on the A\box. Actually, if we had a GOOD GFX library available, porting from AMOS to C would be much easier than the other way around... >>From what I understand, the A\Box will be pretty much 100% >>compatible with existing Amiga software, not to mention the >>loads of other features that come with it (and are built in), so >>if that's true than we may be able to run AMOS with little or no >>problems. Ah, yes. Forgot about that!! Still, we would be sacrificing much performance as the Compiled AMOS 68000 Assembler code would be interpreted by the PowerCPU on the A\box, instead of directly executing... But, you are right, as long as they plan on developing a 68000/ Amiga hardware memory-map, the programs should work fine. >> I know one guy on this List is currently working on a MUCH >> IMPROVED version of AMOS. A sort of hybrid language with the >> best of both AMOS and C/C++. >I believe it's Ben Wyatt, is it not? Indeed it is!! A very determined individual!! Well, it's been enjoyable reading/replying to all this e-mail, but now it's time I actually do some work on the SideShooter or Mr. Giark will be booting me out of the ListGame project!! Take Care, GARFIELD From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 15:14:21 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02951 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05847 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05844 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca (uv334@vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca [199.60.222.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14565 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uv334@localhost) by vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA14534; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:43:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bintz Subject: Re: AMIGA games To: Adam Parrott cc: --==Murray==-- , amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: <199708090441.VAA05938@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Sorry everyone (I've been off camping...). I'll be sending out the raycaster to everyone who wants it tommorow. And, mathwise, my new raycaster is MUCH faster! I cut out all the unneeded divisions and multiplications, and changes as many functions as possible to squares (lsl and lsr when compiled). On my 68000 it is barely playable, which means it'll probably be fine on all your faster computers. #@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@ John C. Bintz - * uv334@freenet.victoria.bc.ca * @#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@# Come Visit Internext Software - the home of great Amiga software! http://www.dragonfire.net/~JohnBintz/inext/inextsoft.html *#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*# From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 13:14:40 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21339 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 13:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05174 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05171 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24931 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp15-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.64]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19775 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:44:58 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 10:44:55 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Credits as I see them MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The AMOS List Game #1 Credits as of 28/07/97 This is the list of people who have access to the page and what they are doing. Since no one has bothered to tell me different, I'll show you how the credits look so far. It is YOUR responsibility to advise me of any changes! Adam Parrott Dungeon Of Doom Stage 4, Graphics Andrew Hawkins Guardian Stage 3, Graphics Andrew Kellett High Score Code, Sales, Keyfile Encryption Anthony Sherratt Nothing Ben Crowl Graphics Ben Wyatt Nothing C J Bonde Nothing Claude Aeschlimann Nothing Cori Skagen Nothing David East Nothing Dave Paterson Nothing Declan Gorman Nothing Erico Monteiro Nothing Evert-Jan Slypen Music Garfield Benjamin Space Flight Stage 1 Giark Project Coordinator, Menu, Installer, Storyline, Bubba's Voice James Brown Secret Bonus Stage Jason Street Graphics Jeremy Templeton Nothing Hakan Venderlof Nothing Keith Hill Castle Assault Stage 2 Ken Axsom Nothing Laurie Curwood Nothing Magnar Sveen Nothing Michael Drummond Nothing Mordecai Nothing Morris Nothing Murray Nothing Neil Nothing Peter Bortas Nothing Peter Cahill Secret Bonus Stage Peter Storey Nothing Pietro Ghizzoni Credits Over Map Scroller Rob Benjamin Nothing Rob Sibley High Score Code Rune J Keller Nothing Schitso Graphics So far, that's 14 contributors. If you aren't on the list at all, or you are listed as doing nothing when that is wrong, TELL ME! Also, if you haven't contributed enough to consider yourself one who should get paid, TELL ME! If you are on the list as doing something, send me your geographical location and what you want to tell people about yourself. If you don't, I'll make something up about you instead. Giark, Project Coordinator From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 13:15:31 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21378 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 13:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05923 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05920 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cu.cu-muc.de ([195.38.157.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA22437 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:23:04 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:25:00 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Platon Received: from cu-muc.de [195.38.157.106] by cu.cu-muc.de with smtp id BBDGBLBE ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:54:26 -0500 From: Chris Hodges To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 12:23:30 EST5 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: To Chris Hodges MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id MAA05921 Status: O X-Status: malcolm.murray@virgin.net wrote on 09-Aug-97: > Sorry. One of these days I will note down his address. :) Well, if it keeps going like in the past, my email address will change anyway the next month or the other :) > Qrnd(0) appears to equal 3. Nope. Watch this. It's an infinitive loop. Repeat : R=Qrnd(10) : Until R<>Qrnd(0) > In direct mode it works OK and returns 0 but in a program it seems to return 3. Try Print Qrnd(100) and then Print Qrnd(0). > Sounds like a useless command I know, but it is quite useful for me. Both Rnd(0) and the AMCAF command Qrnd(0) return the LAST random number created with Rnd(x) / Qrnd(x) with X>0. It's not a bug, it's a feature :) -- Bye, Chris Hodges (http://home.pages.de/~platon/)  __    __ A4000/60, 24MB, 3.6GB HD, CD-ROM, CV64, FliFix __  ///   / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a20 w++ v? C+++      \\\///   / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G?   \XX/    \__/ __/  FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+  AMIGA RULEZ!   \/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 13:47:13 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23250 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 13:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05560 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05557 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tecserv.tec.it (tecserv.tec.it [194.243.136.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA28392 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mbox.tec.it (zokie@[194.243.136.240]) by tecserv.tec.it (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA20658 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:40:44 +0100 From: Francesco De Napoli To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 17:28:07 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: RE: Crippling Programs & Shareware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Hello to everyone on list. This is my first posting to AMOS list, I beg your pardon for my poor english, I'm italian. If people would pay to use program there were be no piracy, and relase crippled proggy will be stupid, but it isn't so. Many years ago (it was 1990' end) I made a lot of anim for a friend of mine, who is a photographer. Few month later, I start to write a program which help me to realize anim. At beginning it had few effect and too much bugs, but it was usefull and easy. Soon I had selled a copy to another photographer, and I thought I will sell more copies and make a lot of money, but few days after many photographers had yet a pirated copy, there were no copy protection, and I get no money any more! So I had decided to expand but to not release :-( In 1995, I had changed idea, and had released a new version as shareware. It wasn't crippled but has a requester, which on every saving will stop program for max 2 minutes. Program was usable, but when you try make an usable anim you lost a lot of time, so if you need it to do anim you must pay. I had sent a demo disk to Italian Amiga Magazines and to many people, who asked for a demo version. Magazines had spoken well about it, but user say they couldn't try it becouse requester slow it too much. Then I introduced credits, which disable pause on demo version until you have them, but on every launch they decrese. Until today I had got only 7 registration, do you think other people don't use it? To get new credits it is simple, you must reinstall it, it is nasty but it is free :-( Now it work only for 30 minutes and save only first 15 frame, and when you get "key", it works only on your machine, and if you add/remove/change hardware you need a new "key", it is nasty but you don't change your hardware config everyday. =) Nuturally if you upgrades your machine you will get a new and free "key" only if you call me and say what you had changed. :-) I think this way of crippling is good enough. I think pay to use a program (commercial or shareware/giftware) it is right! Information should be free, but tools to get/store/manipulate must be payed, becouse they are done by people that spent a lot of time to do a "tool", and when you use these tools you save up time/work/headace... Most popular tools to store information are books? Are they free? No! They are mede with paper which has a cost, many people work to do them (this is more expensive than paper), someone must pay their working hours... Why should programs be free? _ _ _______________________\\______/ +--------------------------+ //// \\ / | Francesco De Napoli | __ ////____________________ () \\ / | Via Lucca, 14 | \\\ //// ____ ___ ____ _ \\/ | I - 70050 S.Spirito (BA) | \\\//// //__/ //_| //__/ // //\ | ITALY | \//// // \ // | // // // \ | Tel. 080/5335361 | // \ | e-mail zokie@mbox.tec.it | Image & Anim FX // \ +--------------------------+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 21:22:00 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21775 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19156 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19153 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-13.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.137]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA10306 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002581; 9 Aug 97 22:10 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA000xm; Sat, 9 Aug 97 18:59:00 GMT Date: Sat, 9 Aug 97 18:59:00 GMT Message-Id: <9708091859.AA000xl@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24e07ef1.u8t20e.537e6-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Sat, 09 Aug 1997 10:12:31 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: AMIGA games Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id SAA19154 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Mr., > project of this type. After all, this is the first international amiga > programming effort. We're actually worldwide. In fact, I'm thinking of a > credits page map of the world with highlights showing where all our > contributors come from. Right, this is where I'm at: 52.5 latitude -0.2 longitude 10m altitude > > The current plan is for it to be released as Licenceware and this > > is very good. > Granted, none of us will become rich off this game (unless a software house > wants to buy it) but the money we do earn will give us all a bit more > incentive to do this madness again. Believe me, as project coordinator, it's > NOT an easy task. I don't expect to make any money from this game, but if we actually *DO* make some money from it, whatever it will be, it'll certainly help keep me on the amiga and away from those nasty pee-cee's. If a software house does buy it, I think we'll all be around on the amiga for quite a while. Just think, actual shop displays.. Mr Shopkeeper, I'd like a copy of 'Captain Bubba and the Nasty Alien Menace' please, preferably on CD ROM... _ _ _ _ _ _ | "Well, the thing about a black hole, it's main |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | distinguishing feature, is it's black, and the |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | thing about space, the colour of space, your | basic space colour, is it's black, so how you | supposed to see 'em ?" - Holly. --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 17:50:56 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20521 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA11153 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11150 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth.usa.net (earth.iex.net [192.156.196.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25031 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acer-200 (tul-ok4-01.ix.netcom.com [204.31.234.129]) by earth.usa.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA08261; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:08:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199708091808.MAA08261@earth.usa.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Parrott" Organization: Parrottsoft, Ltd. To: "Mr. Giark To You" Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 13:07:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: shareware!? Reply-to: parrottsoft@usa.net CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Status: O X-Status: Greetings. > It would require either a keyfile or a recompile of the program for > each registered user. How about it, Mush? Which idea seems best to > you? hehe, I know you were asking Mush, but personally I think that it depends on how many copies are sold. The recompiled version is a plus as it would be harder to crack and the person who holds the rights to it (the person who registered it) would have proof it was his. On the other hand, a keyfile is handy, doesn't take as much work, but, heck, it comes with the territory (work does, recompiling). Even though recompiling will take longer, it's safer. Book (n): a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the TV repairman. Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@usa.net, work: parrottsoft@usa.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 22:13:18 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05196 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15147 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15144 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from matrix.multiboard.com (root@matrix.multiboard.com [204.191.68.100]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08550 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:43:52 -0400 (EDT) From: chrisevans@cubic.xg.com Received: from cubic.xg.com (multib@localhost) by matrix.multiboard.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with UUCP id QAA28387 for amos-list@access.digex.net; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:41:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: matrix.multiboard.com: multib set sender to cubic.xg.com!chrisevans using -f Received: by bbs.multiboard.com (IG 1.0+ sn 1) via UUCP id A5DC6; 09 Aug 1997 16:30:15 -0500 Date: 09 Aug 97 15:06:00 -0500 Subject: for Pietro To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-ID: <0871144215002b5dc6@bbs.multiboard.com> Organization: Cubic BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario +15196336357 Status: O X-Status: > From: Pietro Ghizzoni > Someone know the new e-mail of Paul Hickman? Yup, here it is: PHickman@mycom-media.com -Chris. /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | The views of the author are not of the originating system | \_______________________________________________________________/ Email: chrisevans@cubic.xg.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 21:11:02 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21172 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15088 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15085 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16245 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30770 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1997 20:36:17 -0000 Received: from herp1-26.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.154) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 1997 20:36:17 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 15:50:08 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: AMIGA games MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Garfield Benjamin scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 08-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: AMIGA games: > Okay, forget Warcraft and use Command and Conquer as the > starting point then. Actually, I think Diablo looks pretty cool so > we could also use that as a model and build on it... > Shouldnt we in fact wait on making this clone for a while? Just that my buddy Paul Burkey is coding a game called "Foundation" which is still under heavy construction, and yet wipes the floor with anything I have seen on the Amiga and PC. He is releasing it through Sadeness PD, which could mark our attempts slightly. Im not saying we shouldnt code it, just that we should wait a short time till the foundation panic is over. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 21:24:02 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21891 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14199 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14196 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05601 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp31-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.80]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA28157 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:56:38 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 15:56:30 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: page additions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: I've added the world map that I will be using, in case anyone needs it. Also, there are 9 more Cap'n Bubba speech samples for your use. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 20:58:17 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20154 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15093 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15090 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA08135 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30780 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1997 20:36:21 -0000 Received: from herp1-26.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.154) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 1997 20:36:21 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: Mush To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 15:56:51 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: shareware!? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Evert-Jan Slypen scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 08-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: shareware!?: > On 08-Aug-97 15:46:23 Mush wrote something about Re: shareware!?. > >> who the culprit is and maybe take legal action / in any case not give > >> him support or future releases. > >Plus, if a hacked keyfile goes up on a BBS somewhere, I can scan the > >keyfile and retract the person's name and address from another, better > >encryption, not called by the program, and send the info to a worldwide > >piratelist. > This sounds very good, and it is the thing I was thinking about too. I > think you'll have to discuss this with Giark though as he seems to be > handling the 'main' program. Yes, I will do one of these days, if I ever catch him! hehe Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 20:08:21 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17474 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15098 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15095 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA04716 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30785 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1997 20:36:22 -0000 Received: from herp1-26.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.154) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 1997 20:36:22 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 15:59:59 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33EC143E.6610@virgin.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: AMIGA games MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: --==Murray==-- scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 09-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: AMIGA games: > > I still think the best Amiga 500 game ever made was Stunt Car Racer, and as > > soon as I can speed up my routines, i'll make a version of my own! > Excellent game, especially with a serial link, although you couldn't play the > other leagues very > easily. > Can your routines really keep up the good speed? The routines I have for polygons etc. could probably just about keep up with a game similar to the first version. However, when i add everything else to it, it may slow it down slightly. Ive never tried to combine it all together to get some kind of working version together, but one of these days I might. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 19:51:17 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16573 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 19:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15103 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15100 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16263 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30800 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1997 20:36:26 -0000 Received: from herp1-26.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.154) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 1997 20:36:26 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 16:05:23 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: C&C/WarCraft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Rune J. Keller scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 09-Aug-97 regarding the subject of C&C/WarCraft: > About 1 1/2 months has passed since, and I have got ABSOLUTELY NO response, > except from ONE guy who wanted to do some gfx (I just forgot your name! Still > working on it?) > Wasn't this project interesting after all!? What did go wrong!? Should we > terminate the project or what!? I wouldnt mind having a good bash at the program code with you. I cant do it just yet, I have to finish my mailinglist manager program, due to a rather important usage by a guy i know, so im currently working flat out on that. Once its done, rest assured I will give you some help with code etc. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 21:21:23 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21748 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15108 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15105 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA08142 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30821 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1997 20:36:30 -0000 Received: from herp1-26.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.154) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 1997 20:36:30 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 16:11:20 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: shareware!? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Mr. Giark To You scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 09-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: shareware!?: > On 08-Aug-97, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote: > >>This makes for headaches when selling the program. As I said in another > >>message, if no one bothers to register (we have failed in our ad campaign!) > >>then we'll release it as freeware. But why not at least try to get some cash > >>for our efforts first? > >One other thing you could do is to encode the name of the person who > >bought the original within the program. > It would require either a keyfile or a recompile of the program for each > registered user. How about it, Mush? Which idea seems best to you? Gee, decisions decisions, hehe. OK, when the full version is completed, I would like to get hold of the full source code, and add my encryption routine to it myself, plus compile it. This way, only I will know how to decypher the keyfiles, and there is no possible way the info can leak out from anywhere, unless some gorgeuos blond with big ....... Anyway, this way, I can then compile the one executable, and use another program to simply create the keyfile which is shipped with the program. Any opinions/flames? Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 21:21:13 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21743 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15113 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15110 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA04728 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30836 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1997 20:36:32 -0000 Received: from herp1-26.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.154) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 1997 20:36:32 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 16:15:20 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: AMIGA games MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Mr. Giark To You scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 09-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: AMIGA games: > In what way? Granted, the Amiga shareware market is less active than the ibm > market, but there must be SOME loyal amigans who would pay to support a > project of this type. After all, this is the first international amiga > programming effort. We're actually worldwide. In fact, I'm thinking of a > credits page map of the world with highlights showing where all our > contributors come from. Cool, i did something like that for a bit of a mess with Twinz, but never used it. A little aeroplane flying round everywhere. Quite cool. I could knock something up like that if im provided with a list of countries etc. I would also like to get peoples pictures to include too > > The current plan is for it to be released as Licenceware and this > > is very good. > Granted, none of us will become rich off this game (unless a software house > wants to buy it) but the money we do earn will give us all a bit more > incentive to do this madness again. Believe me, as project coordinator, it's > NOT an easy task. I think the objective would be met if even just 1 person registered, as this goes to show there is at least 1 honest guy out there. > How about a list from someone of all the FREE extensions? Is powerbobs > freeware or would it require registering? Powerbobs is a register extension. You cant compile with it until you register. I'll go through all of my lists of extensions tonight and see what extensions I have are freeware. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 18:20:55 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10936 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15118 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15115 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16272 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30842 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1997 20:36:35 -0000 Received: from herp1-26.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.154) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 1997 20:36:35 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: Mush To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 16:16:33 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: security MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Mr. Giark To You scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 09-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: security: > On 08-Aug-97, Mush wrote: > >This is one of the reasons I would like to distribute it myself, rather > >than upload it to a first virtual server. Before starting, the system would > >require a small keyfile, which I myself create quite easily and distribute > >with the software, which contains the name and address of the registered > >person. > It's up to you, Mush. Cool, well if you read my other post, you'll see how I want to make it as secure as possible. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 22:01:33 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24025 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15123 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15120 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA08147 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30849 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1997 20:36:36 -0000 Received: from herp1-26.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.154) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 1997 20:36:36 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 16:18:46 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Credits as I see them MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Mr. Giark To You scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 09-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Credits as I see them: > The AMOS List Game #1 Credits as of 28/07/97 > This is the list of people who have access to the page and what they are > doing. Since no one has bothered to tell me different, I'll show you how the > credits look so far. It is YOUR responsibility to advise me of any changes! [SNIP] > So far, that's 14 contributors. If you aren't on the list at all, or you are > listed as doing nothing when that is wrong, TELL ME! Also, if you haven't > contributed enough to consider yourself one who should get paid, TELL ME! If > you are on the list as doing something, send me your geographical location and > what you want to tell people about yourself. If you don't, I'll make something > up about you instead. Are we actually agreed on a price for the game yet? Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 21:08:21 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21043 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15128 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15125 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA04732 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30860 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1997 20:36:39 -0000 Received: from herp1-26.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.154) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 1997 20:36:39 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 16:22:40 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: RE: Crippling Programs & Shareware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Francesco De Napoli scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 09-Aug-97 regarding the subject of RE: Crippling Programs & Shareware: > Hello to everyone on list. This is my first posting to AMOS list, I beg your > pardon for my poor english, I'm italian. Cool, always obliged to welcome new AMOS members. > Now it work only for 30 minutes and save only first 15 frame, and when you get > "key", it works only on your machine, and if you add/remove/change hardware > you need a new "key", it is nasty but you don't change your hardware config > everyday. =) One system I was considering doing was reading enviroment files, such as names etc. and if there is a difference, the program prompts you to get a new key. I ended up dropping it afterwards due to the fact most peoples configurations were different than everyone else's > Nuturally if you upgrades your machine you will get a new and free "key" > only if you call me and say what you had changed. :-) Good idea, i might work on something similar. > I think this way of crippling is good enough. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 20:35:55 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18972 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15133 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15130 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16278 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30866 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1997 20:36:41 -0000 Received: from herp1-26.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.154) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 1997 20:36:41 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 16:26:20 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199708091808.MAA08261@earth.usa.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: shareware!? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Adam Parrott scrawled this garbage in a text editor on 09-Aug-97 regarding the subject of Re: shareware!?: > hehe, I know you were asking Mush, but personally I think that it > depends on how many copies are sold. The recompiled version is a plus > as it would be harder to crack and the person who holds the rights to > it (the person who registered it) would have proof it was his. > On the other hand, a keyfile is handy, doesn't take as much work, > but, heck, it comes with the territory (work does, recompiling). > Even though recompiling will take longer, it's safer. Not always, if you come up with a killer method for encryption, then there is no way that it can be cracked succesfully. If you incorporate system variables into the file, and checksum tables, then you have to be a bloody good cracker to figure it all out! Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 12:56:01 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19775 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05490 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05487 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17858 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p51-meadowlark-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.69.231]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA15831 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:11:03 +0100 Message-ID: <33ECE23B.5B07@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 14:33:47 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMOS List Subject: Re: To Chris Hodges References: <33EC15A2.4AE4@virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > Qrnd(0) appears to equal 3. Sorry. I've just realised that Qrnd(0) or Rnd(0) returns the last value from a Rnd statement. Anyway, I've just been told something that is very useful for one of my games. That is this. Randomize 10 (or whatever) For N=1 to 3 Print Rnd(-100) (note the -ve number) Next N This program will ALWAYS return the same three numbers. It doesn't work with Qrnd though. Is there any way of achieving a similar result with Qrnd? Thanks, -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 13:35:24 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22616 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 13:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05495 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05492 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27040 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p51-meadowlark-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.69.231]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA15859 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:11:12 +0100 Message-ID: <33ECE60F.19DB@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 14:50:07 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMOS List Subject: Re: AMIGA games References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > Second, you have to take the time to do the project right. I love > to see how fast I can make small Freeware games, but to make > the kind of games selling IBMs and consoles you must be willing > to spend MANY months of hard work. Many of the top games on > IBM and consoles were created in a period of 2, 3 or more years. Which is the exact reason I code in AMOS. I don't have all day to spend on programs and I don't fancy spending years on projects but with AMOS I don't need to. I've got enough experience so that I can turn my hand to almost anything and have something playable ready within a couple of hours. The problem with it is obviously its not as optimised as those programmed in ASM or C but hopefully with the new cards and A/box, that problem will be reduced. AMOS programmers will always have to aim slightly lower in terms of speed compared to up to the date programs but it will still open many doors. > Don't rely on Amal or too many AMOS-specific commands so the > game will be as portable as possible. Actually, we really do need > that AGA Extension which should be arriving in the weeks ahead. > Then we just make the biggest, greatest game ever seen and > don't even worry about the fact that it runs at 1 frame per > second on a standard A1200. Once it's on the A/box, we'll > probably find it hitting 50/60fps easily. I am right in thinking that the A/box IS power PC isn't it? If so, we may be getting AGA finally, but now we need power PC support for AMOS! -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 13:22:03 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21735 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 13:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05500 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05497 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12418 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p51-meadowlark-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.69.231]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA15933; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:11:33 +0100 Message-ID: <33ECE7F9.4FEC@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 14:58:17 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rune J. Keller" , AMOS List Subject: Re: C&C/WarCraft References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > About 1 1/2 months has passed since, and I have got ABSOLUTELY NO response, > except from ONE guy who wanted to do some gfx (I just forgot your name! Still > working on it?) > > Wasn't this project interesting after all!? What did go wrong!? Should we > terminate the project or what!? I would certainly contribute in the programming area but it would depend on a few things which I'm not too happy about. I wouldn't like to dictate terms to anyone working on it but... 1. I don't think it should be fantasy based. 2. It needs some good original concept. I will put some thought into it but lots of people putting some thought into it would be better. 3. Virtual guarentees that we can get some people to draw good graphics for it. Alot of people seem to say they will help and then give up a week later. Lets see how much response your letter gets so we know if the interest is still there. -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 9 21:12:56 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA01897 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21063 for amos-out; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 19:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21060 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 19:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth.usa.net (earth.iex.net [192.156.196.1]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA25782 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 19:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acer-200 (tul-ok1-11.ix.netcom.com [204.31.234.43]) by earth.usa.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA28433; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:20:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199708092320.RAA28433@earth.usa.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Parrott" Organization: Parrottsoft, Ltd. To: gbenjam@ix.netcom.com Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:19:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: AMIGA games Reply-to: parrottsoft@usa.net CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Status: O X-Status: Greetings. > Exactly. And like the guys doing the raycasters, once they have > the techniques down, the code can always be ported over to the > A/box, where it will quite likely run "fast as hell". Well, my raycaster is a combonation of C, C++, Asm (from PC), and some of my own ideas and adaptations ported and converted to AMOS. > We will have to write our own IMPROVED version of > AMOS on the A\box, again most likely in C. >From what I understand, the A\Box will be pretty much 100% compatible with existing Amiga software, not to mention the loads of other features that come with it (and are built in), so if that's true than we may be able to run AMOS with little or no problems. > I know one guy on this List is currently working on a MUCH > IMPROVED version of AMOS. A sort of hybrid language with the > best of both AMOS and C/C++. I believe it's Ben Wyatt, is it not? Bagpipes (n): an octopus wearing a kilt. Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@usa.net, work: parrottsoft@usa.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 10 10:09:12 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09479 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA27539 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 08:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27536 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 08:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iol.ie (root@mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29632 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 08:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GPO.iol.ie (root@GPO2.GPO.iol.ie [194.125.2.197]) by mail.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA23952 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:41:48 +0100 Received: from iol.ie (dialup-070.dublin.iol.ie [194.125.41.70]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA09630 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:41:46 +0100 From: Peter Cahill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:23:23 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Pang MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id IAA27537 Status: O X-Status: Somebody by the name of Evert-Jan Slypen scribbled this into there e-mail client under the subject of Re: Pang: >In message , Peter Cahill > writes >> First Id like everyone to check out the new demo of pang (Ive got NO replys >>on this) >What do you expect, everybodyīs busy with their respective parts! (I >know I am) I did download the demo though, so here you go. Far enough - but there are beta testers this is there job >>I know that some people had problems with the old version but the new version >>is in lha, runs properly, is much smoother, has less bugs, no 'file not exe' >>error, & more stuff ,DOWNLOAD IT !!!! >Yep, all problems were solved. Well, except that if you pick up a >certain powerup it crashes, but I suspect this is due to routines not >being in there yet to handle the powerup. I didnt know about this... What does the power-up say on it ? >>I remember Kieth asking for bouncing bubbles - should they bounce off all >>the edges of the screen ? >That was me. :) They should not bounce off the screen natch. Sorry !! - My mistake It was you first then Kieth on IRC (I just couldnt remember who said it first) >>The next demo of pang will be much better but without comments how can you >>expect loads of improvements? >I gave you a huge list of things you could implement, like weapons etc. >Did you not get that? I did - Ive added most of them in to pang >> >>SOME REPLYS ON PANG PLEASE! >Well, in brief, more weapons, more powerups, maybe have the screen >scroll a bit to have a bigger playfield, a new background, and that was >about it. That should get you going. :) Thanks ! Youve been a great help 84) -- Peter Cahill ||||||| \ o o / http://www.iol.ie/~cahill4/peter/index.html /\ _ /\ _________________________________________oOo-\ /-oOo_ | | V | | AMINET: | e-mail: | | | cahill4@iol.ie | | game/patch/alfred.lha | | | pix/icon/intel.lha | Current Projects: | | | Pang | | | Independence | |---------------------------------------------------| | | | A1200 030/50Mhz/10Meg/4xCDRom/850MegHD/2 FD | |___________________________________________________| From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 10 12:53:09 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09484 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 12:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA27544 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 08:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27541 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 08:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iol.ie (root@mail2.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.193]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26186 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 08:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GPO.iol.ie (root@GPO2.GPO.iol.ie [194.125.2.197]) by mail.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07677 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:41:55 +0100 Received: from iol.ie (dialup-070.dublin.iol.ie [194.125.41.70]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA09642 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:41:53 +0100 From: Peter Cahill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:33:24 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Pang MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Somebody by the name of Pietro Ghizzoni scribbled this into there e-mail client under the subject of Re: Pang: >On 07-Ago-97, Peter Cahill wrote: Pang >>Hi, >Hi! >> First Id like everyone to check out the new demo of pang (Ive got NO replys >>on this) >Uhhhhh :) >>I know that some people had problems with the old version but the new version >>is in lha, runs properly, is much smoother, has less bugs, no 'file not exe' >>error, & more stuff ,DOWNLOAD IT !!!! >Yes Sir! hehe >>Could someone send in there comments on pang ? >> >>The next demo of pang will be much better but without comments how can you >>expect loads of improvements? >Ok... >Now the game is *VERY* nice! My compliments!! And now the suggestions: >1- the player isn't animated.... redraw it! >2- the rainbow is a bit boring... IMHO... i think that a background picture > should be better >3- it's a bit difficult :) It will ALL be in the next version 8) Now the main person is Bubba There are 3 diffrent backgrounds now (only one rainbow) The timer will give more time from now on >Good work! Thanks! >>SOME REPLYS ON PANG PLEASE! >Voila' ;) Thanks! -- Peter Cahill ||||||| \ o o / http://www.iol.ie/~cahill4/peter/index.html /\ _ /\ _________________________________________oOo-\ /-oOo_ | | V | | AMINET: | e-mail: | | | cahill4@iol.ie | | game/patch/alfred.lha | | | pix/icon/intel.lha | Current Projects: | | | Pang | | | Independence | |---------------------------------------------------| | | | A1200 030/50Mhz/10Meg/4xCDRom/850MegHD/2 FD | |___________________________________________________| From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 10 15:06:24 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19928 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 15:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01719 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01716 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from worf.albanyis.com.au (worf.albanyis.com.au [203.11.123.1]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10451 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:32:55 -0400 (EDT) From: neil@albanyis.com.au Received: from localhost (worf.albanyis.com.au) by worf.albanyis.com.au with SMTP id AA12415 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for amos-list@access.digex.net); Mon, 11 Aug 1997 06:39:00 +0800 Date: 10 Aug 97 22:00:31 +0800 Subject: Re: shareware!? To: "Mr. Giark To You" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <556.7161T1320T1592@albanyis.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: THOR 2.4 (Amiga;TCP/IP) *UNREGISTERED* Status: O X-Status: Stuff about keyfiles... >It would require either a keyfile or a recompile of the program for each >registered user. How about it, Mush? Which idea seems best to you? >Well met and godspeed, > Giark I have a program that can encode serial information into a program after ot has been compiled. You only have to make one "empty" one, then you can put the registration info into it. This way only takes a few seconds and you don't need to compiler lots of versions. I use it to encode serial numbers into Poswiz. Regards, Neil. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 10 12:34:16 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16298 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 12:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01755 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01752 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10633 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp20-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.69]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA18341 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:34:25 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:23:18 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Security For CB Release MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 09-Aug-97, Mush wrote: >> It would require either a keyfile or a recompile of the program for each >> registered user. How about it, Mush? Which idea seems best to you? >Gee, decisions decisions, hehe. >OK, when the full version is completed, I would like to get hold of the >full source code, and add my encryption routine to it myself, plus compile >Anyway, this way, I can then compile the one executable, and use another >program to simply create the keyfile which is shipped with the program. Sounds alright to me. I'll put a bit to display the registration info in the menu prg, then you can just plug your code into it. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 10 12:42:20 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08843 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 12:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01760 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01757 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10636 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp20-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.69]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA18347 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:34:31 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:28:33 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Credits as I see them MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 09-Aug-97, Mush wrote: >> So far, that's 14 contributors. If you aren't on the list at all, or you are >> listed as doing nothing when that is wrong, TELL ME! Also, if you haven't >> contributed enough to consider yourself one who should get paid, TELL ME! If >> you are on the list as doing something, send me your geographical location >>and what you want to tell people about yourself. If you don't, I'll make >>something up about you instead. >Are we actually agreed on a price for the game yet? Yes, $1 per contributor. Ej has expressed a desire to not be paid, so that's $13 so far. But, some of those listed have only done 1 or 2 graphics, not enough to warrant monetary inclusion. I'm waiting for the replies. I notice you haven't told me about yourself or given me your location yet, Mushyboy. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 10 15:06:24 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19930 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 15:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01772 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01769 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10840 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp20-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.69]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA18563 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:38:24 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:38:45 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Positions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Braneloc, couldn't you have just said what country you are in? I get either somewhere in Britain or somewhere in Antarctica from your coordinates. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 10 15:50:15 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19257 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 15:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA03726 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03723 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth.usa.net (earth.iex.net [192.156.196.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07608 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acer-200 (tul-ok3-17.ix.netcom.com [204.31.234.113]) by earth.usa.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA06828; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 09:29:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199708101529.JAA06828@earth.usa.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Parrott" Organization: Parrottsoft, Ltd. To: mushypd@redrose.net Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:29:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: shareware!? Reply-to: parrottsoft@usa.net CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Status: O X-Status: Greetings. > OK, when the full version is completed, I would like to get hold of > the full source code, and add my encryption routine to it myself, > plus compile it. This way, only I will know how to decypher the > keyfiles, and there is no possible way the info can leak out from > anywhere, unless some gorgeuos blond with big ....... > Anyway, this way, I can then compile the one executable, and use > another program to simply create the keyfile which is shipped with > the program. Sounds good to me. What I plan to do with most of my games (my upcoming 3D game namely, not Eventuator anymore, as I said that project has been took off the list and put away. I have another idea for a game, new storyline and characters.) is something similar, only probably have the shareware downloadable on the page or whatnot, and then the user will have the option (after registering) to have the registered .lha w/keyfile e-mailed or snailmailed to them. `Remember: a penny saved is ridiculous.' Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@usa.net, work: parrottsoft@usa.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 10 15:01:03 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19628 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 15:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10904 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10901 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth.usa.net (earth.iex.net [192.156.196.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13737 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acer-200 (tul-ok4-20.ix.netcom.com [204.31.234.148]) by earth.usa.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA11894; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:18:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199708101718.LAA11894@earth.usa.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Parrott" Organization: Parrottsoft, Ltd. To: "Mr. Giark To You" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 12:17:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Credits as I see them Reply-to: parrottsoft@usa.net CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Status: O X-Status: Greetings. > Yes, $1 per contributor. Ej has expressed a desire to not be paid, > so that's $13 so far. But, some of those listed have only done 1 or > 2 graphics, not enough to warrant monetary inclusion. I'm waiting > for the replies. Hmm, well, I think just the contribution of my raycaster alone is monetary enough $13, but, aside from that, it doesn't matter.. > I notice you haven't told me about yourself or given me your > location yet, Mushyboy. hehe. Haven't given you my location yet, so, just mark me down. I'm in the States (of course), in the midwest (Oklahoma to be exact.) Bagpipes (n): an octopus wearing a kilt. Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@usa.net, work: parrottsoft@usa.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 10 22:21:14 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14054 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21365 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21359 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA10346 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24439 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1997 00:14:29 -0000 Received: from herp1-5.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.133) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 1997 00:14:29 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: neil@albanyis.com.au CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 16:47:52 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <635.7161T1323T2365@albanyis.com.au> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: shareware!? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was neil@albanyis.com.au, who did thus comment on Re: shareware!? on the night of 10-Aug-97: > >Not always, if you come up with a killer method for encryption, then there > >is no way that it can be cracked succesfully. If you incorporate system > >variables into the file, and checksum tables, then you have to be a bloody > >good cracker to figure it all out! > >Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett > Umm any form of encrption can be bypassed. Somewhere in your code is > the test to see if the key passed of not. To hack the code, you only > need to change the test to "is always correct". > The effectively bypasses whatever encrption you use, because it doesn't > matter if the test actually passed or not, the result is ignored. If you make the program require specific information from the keyfile, such as variables etc. there is no way you can run it properly just by bypassing the "check" as it needs the variables, or it will crap out Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 10 23:01:53 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA22271 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21370 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21367 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA05236 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24444 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1997 00:14:31 -0000 Received: from herp1-5.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.133) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 1997 00:14:31 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 16:49:04 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Security For CB Release MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Mr. Giark To You, who did thus comment on Security For CB Release on the night of 10-Aug-97: > Sounds alright to me. I'll put a bit to display the registration info in the > menu prg, then you can just plug your code into it. OK, no probs =) Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 10 21:37:48 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA10870 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21375 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21372 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11644 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24454 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1997 00:14:34 -0000 Received: from herp1-5.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.133) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 1997 00:14:34 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 16:51:28 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Credits as I see them MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Mr. Giark To You, who did thus comment on Re: Credits as I see them on the night of 10-Aug-97: > I notice you haven't told me about yourself or given me your location yet, > Mushyboy. Me? Mushyboy? NEVER!! ;) I posted yesterday with my exact location, in reply to R Benjamin saying he was located in PA. I too, am also located in Pannsylvania. (I did live in good ol' England, but have done most stuff here, so that doesnt count) A rather English Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 10 21:53:59 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11898 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21385 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21380 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA10351 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24462 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1997 00:14:35 -0000 Received: from herp1-5.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.133) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 1997 00:14:35 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 16:53:29 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Positions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Mr. Giark To You, who did thus comment on Positions on the night of 10-Aug-97: > Braneloc, couldn't you have just said what country you are in? > I get either somewhere in Britain or somewhere in Antarctica from your > coordinates. I think Brane is from one of those places where nobody ever dare goes, cos you ask a nice easy question, such as "Where did I put me pen" and they would give you a universal grid location, down to the exact millimetre! Hehe, just kidding brane matey I think he is in Peterborough, England. England, I know for sure. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 10 22:26:44 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA19700 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21382 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21377 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA05259 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24484 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1997 00:14:39 -0000 Received: from herp1-5.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.133) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 1997 00:14:39 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Adam Parrott CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 16:56:05 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199708101529.JAA06828@earth.usa.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: shareware!? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Adam Parrott, who did thus comment on Re: shareware!? on the night of 10-Aug-97: > Sounds good to me. What I plan to do with most of my games (my > upcoming 3D game namely, not Eventuator anymore, as I said that > project has been took off the list and put away. I have another idea > for a game, new storyline and characters.) is something similar, only > probably have the shareware downloadable on the page or whatnot, and > then the user will have the option (after registering) to have the > registered .lha w/keyfile e-mailed or snailmailed to them. Thats the whole point. The info is sent to both first virtual and me when ordering, with an option to request postage/email delivery. Mush -- Thank-you for ordering software from the Mushroom PD library. Im sorry if it has taken a while for your order to arrive, but due to the amount of orders I still receive via Email, even though the FTP site is active, I cannot always guarantee an immediate response. Thank-you for your order, and please call back again soon. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 10 22:05:57 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12767 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21390 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21387 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11669 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24496 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1997 00:14:42 -0000 Received: from herp1-5.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.133) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 1997 00:14:42 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Adam Parrott , "Mr. Giark To You" CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 16:58:30 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199708101718.LAA11894@earth.usa.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Credits as I see them MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Adam Parrott, who did thus comment on Re: Credits as I see them on the night of 10-Aug-97: > Greetings. > > Yes, $1 per contributor. Ej has expressed a desire to not be paid, > > so that's $13 so far. But, some of those listed have only done 1 or > > 2 graphics, not enough to warrant monetary inclusion. I'm waiting > > for the replies. > Hmm, well, I think just the contribution of my raycaster alone is > monetary enough $13, but, aside from that, it doesn't matter.. All peoples code is treated with the same respect, no matter how amazing complex etc. I dont intend to start any arguments over who should get more because blah blah blah etc. No offense meant or anything, just your comment triggered me to say this before someone else says different. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 10 22:54:58 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA21645 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA22049 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22046 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ozemail.com.au (server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net [203.108.7.41]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13267 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oznet11.ozemail.com.au (oznet11.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.118]) by ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA02010 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:04:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from archie (per1-55.space.net.au [203.38.10.199]) by oznet11.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA26971 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:03:15 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <33EE646E.4D5A@ozemail.com.au> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:01:34 +0800 From: Andrew Hawkins Organization: GeoSync Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: C&C/WarCraft Progress References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Hi Rune, > I'm the one who runs the web page for the 2. list game: The C&C/WarCraft game. > > I started out very optimistic with this thing; loads of people seemed to be > interested... I suggest that you postpone the Warcraft game until the #1 List Game is complete, then petition everyone to team up and work solidly on the Warcraft game. Give everyone a little department in it and we could make it very professional. This could be the avenue to go down where we can make money if that`s what people are interested in. I don`t know, maybe we present ourselves to the world as the 'Amigan Revolution' or something. You know, really market ourselves as a team of dedicated Amiga programmers, artists and musicians with a passion for games, a good sense of fun, and a flair for professional software production (which I think is true already). I think what has happened (with the Warcraft game) is that people have become centralized on their own project and can`t split their focus on two games at once. I believe with the talent I`ve seen on this usergroup we have the makings of a very competitive software house albeit world-wide. Well, those are my thoughts. BTW: HARD Corps DEMO Out Soon :o) Cheers, Andy H. GeoSync Media From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 10 22:10:39 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18579 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA22629 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22626 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth.usa.net (earth.iex.net [192.156.196.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09969 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acer-200 (tul-ok3-01.ix.netcom.com [204.31.234.97]) by earth.usa.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA05219; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 19:23:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199708110123.TAA05219@earth.usa.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Parrott" Organization: Parrottsoft, Ltd. To: mushypd@redrose.net Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:22:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Credits as I see them Reply-to: parrottsoft@usa.net CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <199708101718.LAA11894@earth.usa.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Status: O X-Status: Greetings. >> Hmm, well, I think just the contribution of my raycaster alone is >> monetary enough $13, but, aside from that, it doesn't matter.. > All peoples code is treated with the same respect, no matter how > amazing complex etc. I dont intend to start any arguments over who > should get more because blah blah blah etc. No offense meant or > anything, just your comment triggered me to say this before someone > else says different. I didn't mean (and/or was not referring) that my level was better or that I should be paid more (Giark doesn't even have to pay me, even though I would like to be paid, who wouldn't?), etc. I was referring to the fact of how the game will look with the raycaster (being the last and most complex level) combined with the others. Don't take it the wrong way is my point. I just wasn't totally clear. `Remember: a penny saved is ridiculous.' Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@usa.net, work: parrottsoft@usa.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 00:23:58 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA27619 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 00:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA26174 for amos-out; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26171 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kanina.cosgrove.tased.edu.au (kanina.cosgrove.tased.edu.au [147.41.146.3]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA17767 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kanina.cosgrove.tased.edu.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BCA658.441A5300@kanina.cosgrove.tased.edu.au>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:12:48 +1000 Message-ID: From: "Templeton, Jeremy" To: "'--==Murray==--'" Cc: "'amos-list@access.digex.net'" Subject: RE: AMIGA games Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:12:47 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: >> The game Evils Doom on the 1200 is new, and is the best first person rpg >> >i've ever played, on AMiga & PC. > >>I think I tried that. If I've got the correct name that it managed about 1 >>frame every two >>seconds on mine. I'm not sure. We have an unupgrade 1200 and it runs fine on ours. It's wrote by a group from the Netherlands (I think). It's a flick-between-square rpg when in dugeons and an adventure when not. >OK. So I could do with upgrading but its not that bad and surely to sell any >significant amount >they will have to aim lower than what they have done. (poor english, I know) > >> Hanger 18 is cool. > >>Thanks. >Your welcome >>> My C&C clone (not the list one) has, in my opinion, some originality in >>> it, if you want, i'll send you an infopack about it when i've finished >>> >making the pack for the other developers. > >>Yes please. I would be interested in taking a look. OK, when I've made it i'll send it to you aswell. >> >>started a version of Flashback myself which ran at perfect speed). >> If you still have the source and don't want it, you can send it to me >> and i'll keep working on it. > >>I haven't completely given up yet. >Ok. No probs. >>> I recon that's got the best intro music that i've heard for a while, but >>> then i heard the music (from evils doom) <<<---- Just added. > >>eh? >I'm talking about Space Hulk's music. Also, I've being testing the Turtleminator, and have found one little bug, on the ?3rd? mission called the long corridoor (I think). I stepped in the first teleport and when I reappeared i didn't tell the character what to do next, so he walked off the left side of the screen and the game quit and said illegal function call. Later - J. Templeton - Realm Productions > > From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 12:53:39 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25864 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA02783 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA02780 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1c.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.136]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA25568 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1325667; 11 Aug 97 11:53 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA000ya; Mon, 11 Aug 97 01:26:49 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 01:26:49 GMT Message-Id: <9708110126.AA000y5@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24e22b55.u8t20e.d1c92-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:38:45 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: joehick@golden.net Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Positions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id IAA02781 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Mr., > Braneloc, couldn't you have just said what country you are in? Errrr, well, I guess so. > I get either somewhere in Britain or somewhere in Antarctica from your > coordinates. Antartica !!!??? Egads !!!!! How the heck do you get Antartica from that ???? Somewhere in Britain will do... On your map, Latitude starts at the middle of the screen, and goes from -180 at the bottom, to 180 at the top. Longitude starts at zero in Grenwich England, which I'm almost exactly in line with, so on your map, its 0 to 360 longitude, which is deeply wierd, since maps normally go from -180 to +180 longitude. My altitude is irrelavent to the maps, but I thought everyone would like to know ;-) Yup, when the ice caps melt, Peterborough England becomes a coastal town.. Anyway, if I HAD said what country I'm in, there would be no point looking at my email address, and the coordinates are much more accurate, and you can precisely display them on the map. ...well, if it displayed England properly. Looking forward to seeing everyone elses coordinates..... (Note to English people: Ordinance Survey maps will display your coords, if you look at your local pathfinder map, you'll be able to determine EXACTLY where your house is, and convert it to long/lat.) _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | 0x2b | ~0x2b |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 20:29:57 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA11343 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08666 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08658 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07590 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id ab0009659; 11 Aug 97 22:23 MET DST Date: 10 Aug 97 21:42:51 -0500 From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: C&C games To: Amos ML Message-ID: <531.7161T1302T2589@lobster.demon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: THOR 2.4 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Status: O X-Status: Why don't the two C&C teams combine forces to create one great C&C game? As far as I could gather there aren't any real things coded up yet, and Martin Karlsson is working on both teams for the GFX, so he would have his workload reduced also. Besides, the more people the more input! Just an idea. ________________________ ( ) \_ Evert-Jan Slypen? / \||||/ o\___________________/ ([Oo]) . \()/ Grtz! ----oOo----oOo----- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 06:46:57 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA23916 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 06:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA29235 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 05:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA29232 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 05:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCSDEV.MCS.CO.UK (SYSTEM@mcsdev.mcs.co.uk [193.32.50.112]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA13950 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 05:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:06 GMT From: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk) Message-Id: <009B89C6B5D644C0.2F84@mcs.co.uk> To: amos-list@digex.net Subject: Re: shareware!? X-VMS-To: MCSDEV::SMTP%"amos-list@digex.net" Status: O X-Status: To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subj: Re: shareware!? >> Umm any form of encrption can be bypassed. Somewhere in your code is >> the test to see if the key passed of not. To hack the code, you only >> need to change the test to "is always correct". >If you make the program require specific information from the keyfile, such >as variables etc. there is no way you can run it properly just by bypassing >the "check" as it needs the variables, or it will crap out I think I had a similar idea to this a while back... I was writing a game (which I've since given up on due to other projects), which used a data file which contained a lot of the game's data. This file was encryped according to the contents of the keyfile. I would then have distributed the keyfile and the data file together for registered users. Some other identifying detail was also in the data file - small things, that wouldn't be noticed by a hacker, like a dummy record which was not actually used in the program, but looked normal, and which was changed subtley for each user. This way, if a hacked version was found, it would be easy to know who had done the deed (or at least supplied the keys).. Of course, this could have been hacked by someone determined enough, but I think it's fairly secure. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 09:07:43 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29740 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA00354 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00351 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-14.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.138]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA23597 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1005367; 11 Aug 97 12:03 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA000yk; Mon, 11 Aug 97 12:04:54 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 12:04:54 GMT Message-Id: <9708111204.AA000yj@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24e2c0e3.u8t20e.ee848-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from Mush ) (at Sun, 10 Aug 1997 16:53:29 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Positions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id HAA00352 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Mush, > The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Mr. Giark To You, who > did thus comment on Positions on the night of 10-Aug-97: > > Braneloc, couldn't you have just said what country you are in? > > I get either somewhere in Britain or somewhere in Antarctica from your > > coordinates. > I think Brane is from one of those places where nobody ever dare goes, cos > you ask a nice easy question, such as "Where did I put me pen" and they > would give you a universal grid location, down to the exact millimetre! Hehehe, I like it. Exact millimetre ? Hehehehe. Nearly.. > Hehe, just kidding brane matey > > I think he is in Peterborough, England. England, I know for sure. Spot on. cyagain. _ _ _ _ _ _ | "It seems to me that censors are a silly |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | breed. In fact, I wonder how they breed |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | at all" - Max Headroom | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 21:45:39 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20088 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04103 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04094 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iol.ie (root@mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03012 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GPO.iol.ie (root@GPO2.GPO.iol.ie [194.125.2.197]) by mail.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA02910 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:58:11 +0100 Received: from iol.ie (dialup-108.dublin.iol.ie [194.125.41.108]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11940 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:58:10 +0100 From: Peter Cahill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:20:43 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: C&C/WarCraft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Somebody by the name of Rune J. Keller scribbled this into there e-mail client under the subject of C&C/WarCraft: >I'm the one who runs the web page for the 2. list game: The C&C/WarCraft game. >I started out very optimistic with this thing; loads of people seemed to be >interested and the first list game worked out pretty well. Thus I made up some >code and ideas for this game and announced the page together with Laurie >Curwood, asking for any ideas, comments, code or gfx. Anything. >About 1 1/2 months has passed since, and I have got ABSOLUTELY NO response, >except from ONE guy who wanted to do some gfx (I just forgot your name! Still >working on it?) Sorry - I only joined the list then and didnt know about it >Wasn't this project interesting after all!? What did go wrong!? Should we >terminate the project or what!? Its a good idea - just bad timing - If you wait until after List game no.1 youll get a bigger response I probably wont be able to do much - Im already doing a C&C clone & too many other projects 8( bye, -- Peter Cahill ||||||| \ o o / http://www.iol.ie/~cahill4/peter/index.html /\ _ /\ _________________________________________oOo-\ /-oOo_ | | V | | AMINET: | e-mail: | | | cahill4@iol.ie | | game/patch/alfred.lha | | | pix/icon/intel.lha | Current Projects: | | | Pang | | | Independence | |---------------------------------------------------| | | | A1200 030/50Mhz/10Meg/4xCDRom/850MegHD/2 FD | |___________________________________________________| From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 16:44:45 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20098 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11397 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11392 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25511 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp8-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.57]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA27721 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:46:19 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:27:51 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Credits as I see them MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 10-Aug-97, Mush wrote: >> > Yes, $1 per contributor. >> Hmm, well, I think just the contribution of my raycaster alone is >> monetary enough $13, >All peoples code is treated with the same respect And $1 is better than a kick in the head. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 16:36:26 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20977 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11398 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11388 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14929 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp8-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.57]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA27726 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:46:24 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:30:29 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199708110123.TAA05219@earth.usa.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Credits as I see them MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 10-Aug-97, Adam Parrott wrote: >I didn't mean (and/or was not referring) that my level was better >or that I should be paid more >Don't take it the wrong way is my point. I just wasn't totally clear. No probs, Adam. I figured it was just a joke. You are right, the raycaster should be the showpiece in AMOS terms, but we'll have to SEE it first. Q8-{) Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 19:18:23 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08950 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11403 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11400 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14943 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp8-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.57]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA27731 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:46:29 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:33:19 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <643.7161T1351T1644@albanyis.com.au> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Credits as I see them MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id KAA11401 Status: O X-Status: On 10-Aug-97, neil@albanyis.com.au wrote: >>Neil Nothing >I don't expect anything, because I haven't done anything. >What is the target machine this game is aimed at? I have an A1200 >with lots of ram, a hd, but no accellerator. Thanks for the confirmation, neil. The game is targeted at the entire amiga market. I doubt a ―meg machine would be able to play it, but most others should be able to. Once all the code is done, I'll make it totally user friendly (able to run from floppy (ugh) or install to hd). Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 18:29:53 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02080 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11408 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11405 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25570 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp8-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.57]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA27739 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:46:34 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:37:27 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24e22b55.u8t20e.d1c92-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Positions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 11-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: >Antartica !!!??? Egads !!!!! How the heck do you get Antartica from >that ???? Somewhere in Britain will do... Depending on North or South latitude. You didn't say which. >On your map, Latitude starts at the middle of the screen, I fixed the map a bit, so it now does that. I don't know who the twit was who put the eastern hemisphere on the west, but it's fixed now. The scroller goes over it and it looks pretty snazzy. I'll have a new menu demo up in the next day or so. I fixed the scren coords problem and added a PAL/NTSC switcher. >well, if it displayed England >properly. It does now. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 15:16:11 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08159 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11413 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11410 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14979 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp8-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.57]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA27744 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:46:38 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:39:57 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Access the CB Game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 11-Aug-97, Steve Wood wrote: >Is it possible for you to give me details of this list game, and do you need >anymore help with programming? Are you asking for access to the web page? Send mail to me if so. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 22:25:44 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24851 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04106 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04093 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iol.ie (root@mail2.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.193]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13955 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GPO.iol.ie (root@GPO2.GPO.iol.ie [194.125.2.197]) by mail.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA21327 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:58:16 +0100 Received: from iol.ie (dialup-108.dublin.iol.ie [194.125.41.108]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11951 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:58:14 +0100 From: Peter Cahill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:44:40 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Pang MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Somebody by the name of Garfield Benjamin scribbled this into there e-mail client under the subject of Re: Pang: >On 07-Aug-97, Peter Cahill wrote: >> First Id like everyone to check out the new demo of pang (Ive >>got NO replys on this). > Okay, I've just dl'd the demo and played it a few times. >>Could someone send in there comments on pang ? >>The next demo of pang will be much better but without >>comments how can you expect loads of improvements? > GOOD THINGS > ------------- >- Nice Control/Response Thanks ! >- Nice GFX The gfx are about 10000000 times better now 8) >- Good Music I like it too >- Nice Rainbow-effects Nobody else likes them 8( - Now theres 3 diffrent bgs 1 is a rainbow >- Solid Thanks > BAD THINGS > ------------ >- No Sound effects The next demo will have some >- Player movement could be just a bit faster It will be done in the next demo >- Player's shot could be a bit faster It will be done in the next demo >- The round seems to end quite soon. I think it would be enjoyable > but couldn't play it long enough to find out!! It will be done in the next demo 8) >- The bubbles seem to all follow the same patterns. I think a few > random patterns moving in a Velocity-based system would > add a LOT. Bouncing off the sides would be very good. Youll see all this in the next demo aswell 8) Thanks for the reply 8) (nice layout too hehe) >>It has been a while since Ive checked the beta testers list but >>the ONLY people who I remember sending comments on any of >>the levels were: Me, Murry(on holidays now), Kieth, Garfield & >>brother,& a few others - I KNOW there are more beta testers - >>what are they doing - testing Isnt useful without telling the >>author about the game > Actually, Rune Keller, Magnar Sveen and Adam Parrot also > supplied some feedback... They were in the 'few others' bit > Still, there are quite a lot of people with access to the webpage > and I don't have any idea what they are doing either... I agree ! thanks for the mail - the next pang will have ALL of this & MORE!! bye, -- Peter Cahill ||||||| \ o o / http://www.iol.ie/~cahill4/peter/index.html /\ _ /\ _________________________________________oOo-\ /-oOo_ | | V | | AMINET: | e-mail: | | | cahill4@iol.ie | | game/patch/alfred.lha | | | pix/icon/intel.lha | Current Projects: | | | Pang | | | Independence | |---------------------------------------------------| | | | A1200 030/50Mhz/10Meg/4xCDRom/850MegHD/2 FD | |___________________________________________________| From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 17:24:57 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25640 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11418 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11415 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14995 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp8-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.57]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA27754 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:46:43 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:46:24 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Intro dammit! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Okay, all you graphic guys and such, I've been patient, but nothing has arrived, so now I must nag again. INTRO! Make it NOW! Granted, it seems like a trivial bit of the game, but, in the world of cool CD intro movies, an introless game will seem rather lacklustre. I'm sure some of you wizards out there who wonder `what can I do to contribute to the CB effort?' could bend your not inconsiderable talents to this phase of development. Also, EJ, I need some music for the credits screen. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 11:08:30 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28668 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03236 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03233 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.sosbbs.com (sosbbs.com [204.186.168.100]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28651 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PC_rwbenjamin.sosbbs.com (204.186.168.56) by mailhost.sosbbs.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:57:19 -0400 Message-ID: Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: amos-list@access.digex.net MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Robert W. Benjamin" Subject: SHAREWARE & AMIGA FORMAT Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 09:04:01 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: To all you Captain Bubba folks, who are talking about Shareware, you might want to get the Sept. issue #101, of Amiga Format magazine. The cover article is titled: EASY MONEY? Shareware-it can make you a fortune. It can also save you a fortune. In our extensive seven page feature, hear from the men who've made it and find out if you could do it too. Just thought you might be interested!! Sincerely, Robert W. Benjamin rwbenjamin@sosbbs.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 08:02:40 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24326 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA29646 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 06:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA29643 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 06:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cu.cu-muc.de ([195.38.157.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA19104 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 06:42:52 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:44:46 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Platon Received: from cu-muc.de [195.38.157.108] by cu.cu-muc.de with smtp id AMCIAIFM ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:40:08 -0500 From: Chris Hodges To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:38:28 EST5 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: To Chris Hodges MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id GAA29644 Status: O X-Status: malcolm.murray@virgin.net wrote on 10-Aug-97: > Sorry. I've just realised that Qrnd(0) or Rnd(0) returns the last value from a Rnd statement. :) > Randomize 10 (or whatever) > For N=1 to 3 > Print Rnd(-100) (note the -ve number) > Next N > This program will ALWAYS return the same three numbers. Yup. > It doesn't work with Qrnd though. > Is there any way of achieving a similar result with Qrnd? Nope, unfortunately not, as Qrnd generates it's random numbers via the raster beam position and not using a complicated mathematic formular. So the random numbers cannot be reproduced and therefore are real random numbers :) And now some a hint for generating a random numbers array with (nearly) the same amount of each number: Reserve as Work 9,AMOUNT*2 ST=Start(9) ' Create an array with all numbers we want to have. For A=0 To AMOUNT-1 Doke ST+A*2,A Mod MAXRND Next ' Now shuffle this array For A=0 To AMOUNT-1 RI=Qrnd(AMOUNT) R=Deek(ST+RI*2) Doke ST+RI*2,Deek(ST+A*2) Doke ST+A*2,R Next I used this kind of random number generator in my game Tubes. -- Bye, Chris Hodges (http://home.pages.de/~platon/)  __    __ A4000/60, 24MB, 3.6GB HD, CD-ROM, CV64, FliFix __  ///   / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a20 w++ v? C+++      \\\///   / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G?   \XX/    \__/ __/  FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+  AMIGA RULEZ!   \/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 22:30:48 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA20592 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA09839 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09836 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21596 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10309; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:51:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA27569; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:50:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA25536; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:50:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:50:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Garfield Benjamin cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Bullfrog games In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Garfield, Dang nabit you know just about everyhting don't you? I can't recall who was asking but I know I've puzzled over how Bullfrog got away with controlling all those critters for years! Also I've made some progress on that Raycaster, though I haven't had too much time, the caster, jsut the caster all it does is find a depth value for walls, takes about 1-2 Vbls to for 200 lines, oddly if I try to increase the number of lines much beyond this, say to 320 for a traditional caster, I run into an odd situation, my Program runs all fine but then as soon as I quit my AMiga locks and Resets. My guess is that the extra screen lines make my look up tables (stored as data banks) to big and Amos chunks trying to clean them up when the prog. ends. Anyway it's a disturbing thing to notice since it raises questions about the stability of my caster. I seriously doubt it's poking and peeking into bad memory addresses, maybe I'll ask the list if folks have ever had trouble using too much/many data banks. Well keep the truth coming and thanks a bundle. Thanks, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 22:08:23 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22829 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA10676 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10673 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22783 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11498 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:07:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA00314 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:07:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA26637 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:07:04 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:07:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Amos List Subject: Why is Amos SLower than C/C++ Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Quick Question, why is complied AMos Code slower than compiled C/C++ code? Maybe it's not. I could see why Assembler would be quicker but why C, is it because better faster libraries are available? Or is it that C compilers are better optimisers? Or is C jsut faster doing some stuff because you can declare you variable size (ie work with Char's instead of Long's) Well I was jsut wondering if anybody out there knows anything about this as I might go buy a C compiler to write my Caster since no matter what I do it seems slow in Amos. Thanks, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 21:17:34 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18639 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA10826 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10823 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23220 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11815 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:11:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA00897 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:11:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA26964 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:11:07 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:11:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Amos List Subject: Falcon Extension... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello everybody, Garfield mentioned that somebody was working on an Extension called FALCON which was supposed to have hyper fast drawing routines, anybody know it's status? Thanks, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 21:26:06 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18028 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11034 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11031 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23672 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12054 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:14:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA01320 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:13:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA27115 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:13:52 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:13:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Amos List Subject: alt.religion.amos Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Mush, I'm in the states and I can't seem to find the news group, I read it using TIN on unix, ussually I'm prompted to join if a new newsgroup shows up but I haven't been asked about alt.religion.amos and when I go to search for it I can't find it among the other alt.'s any ideas? Thanks, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 22:19:38 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA19870 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA09291 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09288 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09459 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp24-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.73]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA08374 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:33:35 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:33:52 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: menu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Latest menu is up. 7 creditmap positions already in, got two more just this minute. If you don't see yourself yet and you HAVE sent me your position, I'm doing it now and it will be in the next one. If you think the marker for you is a bit off, tell me how it should be moved (1 pixel left, 2 up, etc). The text that displays for your location should be sent to me. Right now, only mine is complete. Take a look and be amazed. The pal ntsc switcher works. up/down to switch, return/fire to accept. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 21:19:04 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15562 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA09748 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09745 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout00.btx.dtag.de (mailout00.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.148]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA12207 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwd03.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.163]) by mailout00.btx.dtag.de with smtp (S3.1.29.1) id ; Mon, 11 Aug 97 22:44 MET DST Received: from T-Online.de (03831497230-0001(btxid)@[194.25.3.222]) by fwd03.btx.dtag.de with smtp (S3.1.29.1) id ; Mon, 11 Aug 97 22:44 MET DST To: Amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:35:54 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: mods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Sender: 03831497230-0001@t-online.de (Daniel Panzer) From: Deven@T-Online.de (Deven) Status: O X-Status: On 02-Aug-97 Mush wrote: Hi Mush ! >Plus, I dont like the fact that it has to have all the external libraries, >as that is a lot of messing around, especially to someone not at all >familiar with LIBS: and who trys to run a game off floppy who booted from >HD. You should only put the player library on the disk, which you really use in your game/demo. YOU DON'T NEED ALL THE OTHER LIB'S TO RUN YOUR PROG !!! >I dont hate this extension, in fact what ive seen it is good, but its just >the libraries and the slight crashing that bothers me. It also crashes when >exiting from playing a PSID file too =( Thank's for your comment,but the PSID crashes must be something on your system. Best Regards Thomas Vanor of DOOM From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 22:21:45 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24528 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA09553 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09550 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout01.btx.dtag.de (mailout01.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.149]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA11164 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwd03.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.163]) by mailout01.btx.dtag.de with smtp (S3.1.29.1) id ; Mon, 11 Aug 97 22:44 MET DST Received: from T-Online.de (03831497230-0001(btxid)@[194.25.3.222]) by fwd03.btx.dtag.de with smtp (S3.1.29.1) id ; Mon, 11 Aug 97 22:44 MET DST To: Amos-List@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:37:50 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: MED Vumeter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Sender: 03831497230-0001@t-online.de (Daniel Panzer) From: Deven@T-Online.de (Deven) Status: O X-Status: On 06-Aug-97 Keith Hill wrote: Hi Keith ! >..if it supports proper samples, that'll be great. Thats my only real >complaint about it. Which formats currenly (and future) are going to >support sample playing ? Or is it an extension command for that one ? At this time following formats support SFX: - Protracker - THX - Sound Fx V1.3 - SoundMon - Future Composer V1.3 - Future Composer V1.4 In the future will follow: - Player 6.1A - Med (4-Channel) - maybe multichannel formats too I've it adjust to the orginal AMOSMusic extension commands like SAM PLAY etc. the handling is the same. Ptm Voice %0110 |||| 3210 <- channels Ptm Play 6 Sam Play %1001,1,13000 So,there are no sample commands in the DME. >Auto channel play, manual channel play, continuous >sample play from h/d in stereo would be nice.. .wav support (ug) >Retargetable audio.... Maybe in the future,but the space in the extension come to be smaller (Extension-Limit). Best Regards Thomas Vanor of DOOM E-mail: deven@t-online.de From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 21:17:16 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15445 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA09644 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09641 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth.usa.net (earth.iex.net [192.156.196.1]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22154 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acer-200 (tul-ok3-18.ix.netcom.com [204.31.234.114]) by earth.usa.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA15681; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:47:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199708112047.OAA15681@earth.usa.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Parrott" Organization: Parrottsoft, Ltd. To: "Mr. Giark To You" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:46:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Credits as I see them Reply-to: parrottsoft@usa.net CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <199708110123.TAA05219@earth.usa.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Status: O X-Status: Greetings. > No probs, Adam. I figured it was just a joke. You are right, the > raycaster should be the showpiece in AMOS terms, but we'll have to > SEE it first. Q8-{) hehe, see hmm? Speaking of that, I've finished converting most of the code I need to for a working raycaster over the weekend, so I'm gonna optimize some of it (to make it faster and playable), and then I'll send you some screenshots and a demo, hopefully within the next day. Dictatorship (n): a form of government under which everything which is not prohibited is compulsory. Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@usa.net, work: parrottsoft@usa.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 11 20:16:21 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA11003 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08651 for amos-out; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08642 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07557 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id ad0009659; 11 Aug 97 22:23 MET DST Date: 11 Aug 97 22:21:28 -0500 From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Location To: Amos ML Message-ID: <556.7162T1341T1436@lobster.demon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: THOR 2.4 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Status: RO X-Status: Er, don't know why exactly Mr. Giark needs it, but my location is ofcourse the Netherlands, a small location called Breukelen to be exact, which is somewhat near Amsterdam. It's in the middle of the Netherlands anyway. So if anyone should be landing at Schiphol one of these days, I'd be happy to buy you a pint or two :) ________________________ ( ) \_ Evert-Jan Slypen? / \||||/ o\___________________/ ([Oo]) . \()/ Grtz! ----oOo----oOo----- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 02:45:19 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA19681 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 02:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA00760 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 01:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00757 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 01:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth.usa.net (earth.iex.net [192.156.196.1]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA02291 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 01:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acer-200 (tul-ok2-12.ix.netcom.com [204.31.234.76]) by earth.usa.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA15635; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:22:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199708120522.XAA15635@earth.usa.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Parrott" Organization: Parrottsoft, Ltd. To: sdmatott@midway.uchicago.edu Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:21:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Falcon Extension... Reply-to: parrottsoft@usa.net CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Status: O X-Status: Greetings. > Garfield mentioned that somebody was working on an Extension > called FALCON which was supposed to have hyper fast drawing > routines, anybody know it's status? It's author is Laurie Curwood, and he was subscribed to the List at some time or another. He has a webpage (for the Falcon extension and for other projects underway from the group that wrote Falcon). It's: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/6291 Speaking of Laurie, he's the one that *PROPOSED* the List game but I haven't heard nor seen a peep, hide nor hair since the proposal (from the List or the Falcon mailing list). Just wondering where he is. `Remember: the only thing that hurts more than paying income tax is not having to pay income tax.' Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@usa.net, work: parrottsoft@usa.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 05:17:31 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA17460 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 05:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA03069 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 04:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA03066 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 04:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCSDEV.MCS.CO.UK (SYSTEM@mcsdev.mcs.co.uk [193.32.50.112]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA27300 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 04:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:13 GMT From: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk) Message-Id: <009B8A887A919BE0.327D@mcs.co.uk> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Floppies (was Re: Credits as I see them) X-VMS-To: MCSDEV::SMTP%"amos-list@access.digex.net" Status: O X-Status: Mr Giark wrote the following: >Once all the code is done, I'll make it totally user friendly (able to >run from floppy (ugh) or install to hd). Just out of curiosity (since I've got nothing whatever to do with the project, and I would play it from hard disk anyway :) how many floppies will it need to be distributed on? - roughly? Thats all :) / |\ / \ | \ / / |_/ \_ (Simon Champion) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 06:18:18 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA21818 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 06:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA03575 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 05:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA03572 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 05:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCSDEV.MCS.CO.UK (SYSTEM@mcsdev.mcs.co.uk [193.32.50.112]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA22593 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 05:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:01 GMT From: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk) Message-Id: <009B8A8F1C46A560.2F22@mcs.co.uk> To: amos-list@digex.net Subject: Re: Why is Amos SLower than C/C++ X-VMS-To: MCSDEV::SMTP%"amos-list@digex.net" Status: O X-Status: Subj: Why is Amos SLower than C/C++ Scott Matott wrote: > Quick Question, why is complied AMos Code slower than compiled >C/C++ code? Maybe it's not. I could see why Assembler would be quicker >but why C, is it because better faster libraries are available? Or is it >that C compilers are better optimisers? Or is C jsut faster doing some >stuff because you can declare you variable size (ie work with Char's >instead of Long's) Well I was jsut wondering if anybody out there knows >anything about this as I might go buy a C compiler to write my Caster >since no matter what I do it seems slow in Amos. The basic reason why Amos is slower than C is "Basic". {lecture mode=on} Basic is a higher level language than C. Translated into English, this means that the code is easier for a human to understand - and therefore harder for a computer to understand - than C code. When you compile the code, a line of C code is translated into fewer machine code instructions than a similar Basic instruction. Let me think of an example...... Consider a simple loop: Basic (ie Amos) C For X=1 to 10 while(x=1,x++,x>=10) { Print X printf("%d",x) Next } (You'll excuse any dumb mistakes - I've not done any C code for a while :-) but it's good enough for the example) These two chunks of code do the same thing (roughly :), but after compiling, the C code is much smaller. In Basic, the Print statement gets converted to: 1. Make a string version of variable X. 2. Append this string X to the rest of the string (nothing in this case) 3. Print the string. In C, the code would be compiled as: 1. Insert the decimal value of x into the string 2. Print the string. (this is just an example, so please don't jump on me if that isn't exact :) The compiled Basic has one more thing to do, and that also happens to be the slowest step in the process. The loop instructions also have the same sorts of differences, as do large chunks of all Basic programs. The more complex commands in Basic, and Amos especially, can blossom into large chunks of compiled code, and unless you use every available feature of the command every time you call it, there is bound to be some wastage in the compiled code (like the second step of the Print example), which could often be avoided when using C, and always avoided when using Asm. (assuming, of course, you know C or asm.... :) {lecture mode=off} :-) Ok. Hope that helped........ (hope it didn't bore you witless)...... :)) Seeyall! / |\ / \ | \ / / |_/ \_ (Simon Champion) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Here speeking American Enlish well talking" - Sign in Majorca shop. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 22:23:08 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29332 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11159 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11156 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00466 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13618 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1997 17:02:41 -0000 Received: from herp1-1.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.129) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 1997 17:02:41 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Scott Douglas Matott CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:23:52 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Falcon Extension... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Scott Douglas Matott, who did thus comment on Falcon Extension... on the night of 11-Aug-97: > Hello everybody, > Garfield mentioned that somebody was working on an Extension > called FALCON which was supposed to have hyper fast drawing routines, > anybody know it's status? I have the full version of the extension (registered), and I think I have a demo version too. Its on of those extensions which must be registered before it can be compiled. =) It has some very quick MULTI PLOT commands in it, which draw many times quicker than the AMOS Draw and FDraw commands put together. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 22:28:26 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA27645 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11179 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11174 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA24852 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13689 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1997 17:02:59 -0000 Received: from herp1-1.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.129) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 1997 17:02:59 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Adam Parrott CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:48:42 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199708110123.TAA05219@earth.usa.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Credits as I see them MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Adam Parrott, who did thus comment on Re: Credits as I see them on the night of 10-Aug-97: > I didn't mean (and/or was not referring) that my level was better > or that I should be paid more (Giark doesn't even have to pay me, > even though I would like to be paid, who wouldn't?), etc. I was > referring to the fact of how the game will look with the raycaster > (being the last and most complex level) combined with the others. > Don't take it the wrong way is my point. I just wasn't totally clear. I didnt want to give the wrong way either, just I thought I had better make the point clear before someone else came in and demanded more than everyone else. =) Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 21:04:03 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21415 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11184 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11181 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA18259 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13697 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1997 17:03:01 -0000 Received: from herp1-1.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.129) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 1997 17:03:01 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:00:49 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Credits as I see them MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Mr. Giark To You, who did thus comment on Re: Credits as I see them on the night of 11-Aug-97: > On 10-Aug-97, Mush wrote: > >> > Yes, $1 per contributor. > >> Hmm, well, I think just the contribution of my raycaster alone is > >> monetary enough $13, > >All peoples code is treated with the same respect > And $1 is better than a kick in the head. Are you sure? I know a mate of mine who was kicked in the head and was all dizzy, and said "Its cheaper than buying drugs" ;) Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 23:50:08 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03978 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11189 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11186 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00506 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13713 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1997 17:03:03 -0000 Received: from herp1-1.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.129) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 1997 17:03:03 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:02:04 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Credits as I see them MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Mr. Giark To You, who did thus comment on Re: Credits as I see them on the night of 11-Aug-97: > No probs, Adam. I figured it was just a joke. You are right, the raycaster > should be the showpiece in AMOS terms, but we'll have to SEE it first. Q8-{) Any chance at a look at this compiled version, or even some screenshots? Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 21:51:05 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26910 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11196 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11193 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAB24869 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13721 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1997 17:03:05 -0000 Received: from herp1-1.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.129) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 1997 17:03:05 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:04:23 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1058.7162T1414T1395@albanyis.com.au> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: shareware!? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was neil@albanyis.com.au, who did thus comment on Re: shareware!? on the night of 11-Aug-97: > Sorry to sound like I'm putting down your ideas. I like the idea of > trying to make sure that people pay for whay they use. But most forms > of registration can be bypassed. Yeah, thats why you store the important variables in there, which are computed from checksums etc. There are many things in the program which are changed unless this value is adjusted. > It's like the saying - "Locks only keep honest people out." But they do, honest! ;) Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 22:51:25 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01785 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11201 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11198 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA18278 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13728 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1997 17:03:07 -0000 Received: from herp1-1.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.129) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 1997 17:03:07 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:09:05 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: alt.religion.amos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Scott Douglas Matott, who did thus comment on alt.religion.amos on the night of 11-Aug-97: > Mush, > I'm in the states and I can't seem to find the news group, I read > it using TIN on unix, ussually I'm prompted to join if a new newsgroup > shows up but I haven't been asked about alt.religion.amos and when I go to > search for it I can't find it among the other alt.'s any ideas? Hmm, have you grabbed a recent list of all available newsgroups? You should try a different news program, such at Thor or Newsagent (Much smaller). The group is active on both the Sprint and MCI newsservers (they feed most providers in the country) and for some odd reason, I keep getting emails back from a german newsserver (but i cant read german) hehe. If all that craps out, try emailing your ISP and get them to add it to their active list. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 20:33:25 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20719 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11206 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11203 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00523 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13742 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1997 17:03:09 -0000 Received: from herp1-1.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.129) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 1997 17:03:09 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:38:58 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Credits Program MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Giark, The credits program keeps crapping out on me. As soon as it is loaded, it quits with "Illegal Screen Parameters" Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 14:54:39 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05976 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13151 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13147 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13825 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp31-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.80]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05185 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:37:21 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:14:57 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <556.7162T1341T1436@lobster.demon.nl> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Location MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 11-Aug-97, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote: >Er, don't know why exactly Mr. Giark needs it Take a look at the new menu and you will see. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 17:20:06 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20849 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13162 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13155 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13835 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp31-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.80]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05190 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:37:25 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:18:05 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24e35e8b.u8t20e.5cd91-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: New Menu. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 11-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: >...menu proggie. On loading, it says 'illegal screen parameter' and bombs >out. Forgot to say, you gotta delete the old config. It should work after that. > On putting my config there, it says 'end of file'. Old config is not the right size anymore. I fixed that. > On putting some >rubbish at the end of my config, it loads up correctly with the lights on >the border and does sod all. You don't get the menu options? Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 17:38:23 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23560 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13182 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13179 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27588 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp31-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.80]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05199 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:37:35 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:26:11 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199708120849.BAA07510@f33.hotmail.com> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: List game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 12-Aug-97, Ragnar Fyri wrote: >A little general comment: I don't think either of the development groups >(big word, that!) should be called Amoslist anything. Well, that's where the development is taking place. >be seen by many people who aren't on the net and haven't got the >faintest idea what a mailing list is. To them such a name would just be >confusing. No more confusing than Bloodhouse or Bullfrog. No company name makes sense if you don't know the whole story. For our game, the whole story will be in the promotional dir. >A little remark about the CB game: The initials of Nasty Alien Menace >spell NAM - you have the beginning of a good acronym there, so how about >changing the hero's name and calling the game something like Sergeant >Unwin Runs Into the Nasty Alien Menace (SURINAM)? That was just an >example, it could probably be done better. Might have been an option 2 months ago. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 17:10:37 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01342 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13187 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13184 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27608 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp31-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.80]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05204 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:37:43 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:28:14 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009B8A887A919BE0.327D@mcs.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Floppies (was Re: Credits as I see them) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 12-Aug-97, Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk wrote: >>Once all the code is done, I'll make it totally user friendly (able to >>run from floppy (ugh) or install to hd). >Just out of curiosity (since I've got nothing whatever to do with the >project, and I would play it from hard disk anyway :) Hence the install. Check out solotrek II. It runs from floppy, but has an installer and can be installed to hd properly, first time out. > how many floppies >will it need to be distributed on? - roughly? Right now, it looks like at least 3. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 15:57:52 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07668 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17490 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17487 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22259 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id aa0006977; 12 Aug 97 17:39 MET DST Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:30:00 +0200 To: "Mr. Giark To You" Cc: AMOS List From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Re: Intro dammit! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Status: O X-Status: In message , "Mr. Giark To You" writes >Also, EJ, I need some music for the credits screen. I was having an idea for that. You could show like a flag or something and then all the people from that country who contributed to the game. It shows that this is a real international joining of forces so to speak, and I could make a few national anthems to go with them. (in fact I already made the USA one). Is this a good idea? -- Evert-Jan Slypen From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 15:56:22 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23463 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17463 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17460 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA07201 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id aa0006979; 12 Aug 97 17:39 MET DST Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:32:22 +0200 To: Deven Cc: Amos-list@access.digex.net From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Re: mods In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Status: O X-Status: In message , Deven writes > Thomas > Vanor of DOOM > Hi there, as you might have gathered from previous messages, I was wondering whether you would add some support for playing samples next to the existing formats. It would be handydandy if I could play samples next to a TP61a module. Maybe not for Bubba, but it would be handy though :) -- Evert-Jan Slypen From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 16:16:45 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17363 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13194 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13190 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13894 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp31-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.80]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05211 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:37:48 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:32:53 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33F04894@tlcgate.agw.bt.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: RE: Intro dammit! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 12-Aug-97, Street, Jason STREETJJ wrote: >what sort of thing dya wont for an intro? Not some 5 meg huge anim, that's for sure. >I think a rendered intro will look best I'd prefer a more cartoony intro. Go to the page and grab the storyline. That will give you an idea of what is needed. Remember, people, we also need cartoon pics or something for the between level text! Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 13:46:05 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25798 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13203 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13200 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13910 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp31-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.80]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05215 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:37:54 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:36:08 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Addresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-Status: Anyone know the address for any of these individuals? Ken Axom Rob Sibley Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 17:11:03 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19582 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17472 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17469 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24859 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id aa0006980; 12 Aug 97 17:39 MET DST Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:37:05 +0200 To: Peter Cahill Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Re: Pang In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id LAA17470 Status: O X-Status: In message , Peter Cahill writes >thanks for the mail - the next pang will have ALL of this & MORE!! You might be happy to know I had a sudden rush of inspiration (could have something to do with this HOT weather) during the making of the first Bubba Shooter music and I am finishing the Bubba Secret music. It has a few jingles thrown in for game over, get ready etc. I will send it to you if it is finished, and if you OK it it can be put on the listpage. Giark : I am also making a new end music. I dunno, I have taken a disliking to the old one. The new one is a tad slower and much more suited for a credits scroller IMHO. Letīs hope I donīt melt first. :) -- Evert-Jan Slypen From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 23:36:49 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03089 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10928 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10925 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iol.ie (root@mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29415 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GPO.iol.ie (root@GPO2.GPO.iol.ie [194.125.2.197]) by mail.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21492; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:53:51 +0100 Received: from iol.ie (dialup-114.dublin.iol.ie [194.125.41.114]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA16890; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:53:49 +0100 From: Peter Cahill To: amos-list@access.digex.net CC: James Brown Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:47:57 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Pang MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id QAA10926 Status: O X-Status: Somebody by the name of Evert-Jan Slypen scribbled this into there e-mail client under the subject of Re: Pang: >In message , Peter Cahill > writes >>thanks for the mail - the next pang will have ALL of this & MORE!! >You might be happy to know I had a sudden rush of inspiration (could >have something to do with this HOT weather) during the making of the >first Bubba Shooter music and I am finishing the Bubba Secret music. It >has a few jingles thrown in for game over, get ready etc. >I will send it to you if it is finished, and if you OK it it can be put >on the listpage. OK -thanks ALOT!! If possible though... could you make the first vumeter (amos calls it '0' I think) blank cos the sfx play through it (If you left a diffrent one blank -its ok Ill change the code) What format will it be in ? and what extension(if any) will I play it through ? >Letīs hope I donīt melt first. :) Hehe - its raining where I am 8) bye, -- Peter Cahill ||||||| \ o o / http://www.iol.ie/~cahill4/peter/index.html /\ _ /\ _________________________________________oOo-\ /-oOo_ | | V | | AMINET: | e-mail: | | | cahill4@iol.ie | | game/patch/alfred.lha | | | pix/icon/intel.lha | Current Projects: | | | Pang | | | Independence | |---------------------------------------------------| | | | A1200 030/50Mhz/10Meg/4xCDRom/850MegHD/2 FD | |___________________________________________________| From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 18:30:05 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29689 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28587 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28584 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca (uv334@vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca [199.60.222.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23509 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uv334@localhost) by vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23328; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:30:42 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bintz Subject: A couple of paragraphs, not too many... To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: First, I'd like to thank everyone for trying out my raycaster. It's just too darn slow for Amos, so when I get the cash for the Amiga Developer's CD, I'll write the puppy in C++. Yet amnother task that Amos can't handle... But, one task it CAN handle is my RPG Engine. I think some of you may have tried it out a while back. Well, I've been improving on it and adding a very powerful editor program alongside it. I want to find three or four other people whocan assist me in the creation of a very large RPG. And I'm going to do this as a contest. Once I finish the Engine, I'll make it avaiilable via WWW, along with the editor. Whoever makes the best ten-room RPG with one of the following qualities: * Graphics * Sound and Music (original composition) * Storyline and Interconnectivity I will ask to help me on whatever RPG storyline I come up with. I still need to add sound capabilities to the Engine, but once that's done, I'll send it up to my Web Site for all to gawk at. #@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@ John C. Bintz - * uv334@freenet.victoria.bc.ca * @#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@# Come Visit Internext Software - the home of great Amiga software! http://www.dragonfire.net/~JohnBintz/inext/inextsoft.html *#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*# From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 18:32:01 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29847 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28107 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28104 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tecserv.tec.it (tecserv.tec.it [194.243.136.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA05556 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mbox.tec.it (zokie@[194.243.136.239]) by tecserv.tec.it (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA26815 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:27:22 +0100 From: Francesco De Napoli To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:47:47 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Security MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Hello, In my programs I don't use Keyfile, but Key & pseudokeyfile. Always Keyfiles content some information to active crippled function, and they are shipped through e-mail or disk. But if someones gets a copy of keyfile, he can use your program for free :-( When a program of mine was launched the first time, it asks your name, and evalute elapsed time (this is a free random number, and you may do with what you like). Then it reads: cpu model, fpu & fastram where are avaible, compute cpu speed, gets infos about your "SYS:", chip set & O.S. revision, and all infos you need. Now store all collected datas and some garbage in a pseudo-key file (from now on pkf), which was encrypted. Before to store you could use bit-flags to code all data or a part of them, so hackers will have big troubles. Now you may use a very silly encryption technique, but if you divide pkf in section and for each section use a different key it will be very hard to decrypt. Nuturally, pseudo-keyfile has a checksum (I left it empty untill you get key) :-) When all nasty job is over, my program generate a 16 chars string, which is called Personal Identifing Number, and is shown under user name on every protection check. PIN is a keyhole, and user must put it on registration card and sends it to me. When I get money & PIN calculate a key (another 16 char string, and it is called Program Serial Number), which includes: serial number, day on which you get your license, match code to holekey. In few days I give it back to user, which must insert it in a requester, and program now store it in pkf and compute checksum and do another encryption. Only after this operation pkf became a true keyfile, but it work only on registrered machine. =) Now I can send a key by phone (in Italy), by postal card, or use e-mail (without PGP) or pay to pubblishing it on a newspaper, even you get you can't use if you haven't the right holekey =) Yes, an hacker may disassemble all your code and/or put NOP on your copy protection procedure. This is is easy if you write a big procedure which does all job, but if you write many little and simple procedure which only together do the JOB this will arise big trouble to your hacker. If you are damnedly bad you may write different copy of those procedures, and put them randomly in your code. So if you insert a copy protection check in different point in your program, and every point use a different set of procedures, you will give a nice gift to your hacker: a very big headache. Everytime he remove a protection soon spring on another one =) Perhaps this e-mail is too long, but I hope it will be useful for you. -- _ _ _______________________\\______/ +--------------------------+ //// \\ / | Francesco De Napoli | __ ////____________________ () \\ / | Via Lucca, 14 | \\\ //// ____ ___ ____ _ \\/ | I - 70050 S.Spirito (BA) | \\\//// //__/ //_| //__/ // //\ | ITALY | \//// // \ // | // // // \ | Tel. 080/5335361 | // \ | e-mail zokie@mbox.tec.it | Image & Anim FX // \ +--------------------------+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 17:43:22 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24264 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04959 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04956 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17839 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06383 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:06:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA24242 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:05:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA19805 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:05:49 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:05:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Amos List Subject: Fast GFX Extensions... (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi all, I have the turbo Extension whose Icon drawing routines are apparently very fast, but speed testing the replacement Graphics commands showed (to me anyhow) that they weren't any faster than the equivalent Amos commands. I'm talking about the R Bar, R Draw, ect. ect. commands, As for as I could tell all they did was give you a way to draw gfx by moving a Gr Cursor around ala Turtle draw back in the olden days. Well am I doing something wrong? Does anyone have the full story on these Turbo commands? Thanks, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 18:49:44 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02276 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05173 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05170 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09034 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06866 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:13:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA25373 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:12:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA20293 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:12:53 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:12:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Amos List Subject: Binary Troubles... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Hey all, Here's an old problem I've always had with amos adn was just reminded of, I use AmosPro although my guess is Amos 1.3 would have the same trouble, the problems is this, every time I try to enter binary numbers where Amos Commands accept them as input, like in sam play you should be able to type Sam Play 10,%1010 To easily know which channels your going to output to, another example is palette, or colour, Colour 1,%00F Should easily give you Blue in colour 1, but waht invariably happens is that Amos Truncates my Binary numbers, so %001 becomes %1, see what I mean it always gets rid of starting Zeros, so %101 will work but $011 won't it becomes %11, seriously this always happens forcing me to do odd things to get arround the problem, or to enter base ten equialents which aren't always as obvious as these binary/Hex values. Well any clue as to why this happens, does it even happen to you folks? Any ideas welcome. Thanks, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 22:52:38 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29947 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11239 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11236 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mago.agonet.it (mago.agonet.it [195.32.124.10]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24971 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agonet.it (ghizzo@p126069.agonet.it [195.32.126.69]) by mago.agonet.it (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA17647 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:06:11 +0200 From: Pietro Ghizzoni Reply-To: ghizzo@agonet.it To: Amos-List Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:24:35 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Dairymen Soft Subject: Re: Credits as I see them (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: >So far, that's 14 contributors. If you aren't on the list at all, or you are >listed as doing nothing when that is wrong, TELL ME! Also, if you haven't >contributed enough to consider yourself one who should get paid, TELL ME! If Well.... i won't money for my credits scroller....a credit in the game is enough ;) >you are on the list as doing something, send me your geographical location and >what you want to tell people about yourself. If you don't, I'll make something >up about you instead. on the map downloaded on the page, i'm at the pixel-coordinates x:8 y:59 I live in the north Italy... exactly in Fiorenzuola D'Arda near Piacenza. -- Bye! !!! o o +-----------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo----------------------------+ | | | Pietro Ghizzoni - Dairymen Soft __ /// Amiga 12OO | | E-Mail: ghizzo@agonet.it \\\/// 'O3O 5OMhz | | Team AMIGA \/// 1OMB - CD4x | | | | Amos Professional Team Coordinator AMIGA RULEZ!! | | | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 23:36:15 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03045 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11244 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11241 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mago.agonet.it (mago.agonet.it [195.32.124.10]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18408 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agonet.it (ghizzo@p126069.agonet.it [195.32.126.69]) by mago.agonet.it (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA17642 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:06:07 +0200 From: Pietro Ghizzoni Reply-To: ghizzo@agonet.it To: Amos-List Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:25:29 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Dairymen Soft Subject: Re: Why is Amos SLower than C/C++ (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 11-Ago-97, Scott Douglas Matott wrote: Why is Amos SLower than C/C++ >Quick Question, why is complied AMos Code slower than compiled >C/C++ code? Maybe it's not. I could see why Assembler would be quicker >but why C, is it because better faster libraries are available? Or is it >that C compilers are better optimisers? Or is C jsut faster doing some >stuff because you can declare you variable size (ie work with Char's >instead of Long's) Well I was jsut wondering if anybody out there knows >anything about this as I might go buy a C compiler to write my Caster >since no matter what I do it seems slow in Amos. C is faster because: - C is a low level programming language compared to Amos, and so you can create a more proof optimized routines. - the Amos philosophy is "i'll do everything for you", in C you must do everything yourself! If you are a *good* coder you'll create a program faster than the Amos equivalent.... or slower if you aren't so good ;) - a C compiler produce a more optimized code -- Bye! !!! o o +-----------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo----------------------------+ | | | Pietro Ghizzoni - Dairymen Soft __ /// Amiga 12OO | | E-Mail: ghizzo@agonet.it \\\/// 'O3O 5OMhz | | Team AMIGA \/// 1OMB - CD4x | | | | Amos Professional Team Coordinator AMIGA RULEZ!! | | | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 22:04:52 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25791 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11129 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11126 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17827 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14838 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:00:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA10655 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:58:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA27908 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:58:23 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:58:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Amos List Subject: Re: alt.religion.amos In-Reply-To: <9708120208.AA000zi@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I tried yanking in all the newsgroups and then searching, which is of course how one i supposed to do this osrt of thing, and yet still I have no luck, anybody got any ideas? I was wondering what a server does to find news lists anyway, I remember looking for them on Netrape and it being god awful slow, whereas for some reason TIN is hyper fast, any ideas on why that is, or is it just Netrape's general craptitude? Thanks, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 21:21:20 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24300 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14510 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14507 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [194.129.188.3]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02309 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paston.co.uk ([194.129.188.201]) by red.paston.co.uk with SMTP id <843594-145>; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:46:11 +0100 From: Ben Wyatt To: Scott Douglas Matott , AMOS Mailing List Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:29:41 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Why is Amos SLower than C/C++ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 11-Aug-97, Scott Douglas Matott sat on a keyboard and produced this mess: > Quick Question, why is complied AMos Code slower than compiled > C/C++ code? C has a better optimiser and faster support routines. My language, POP, aims to do the same for AMOS type (ie easy to use) languages. Already it is producing executables more optimised than C compilers (at least where it's possible to!!). Bye ____________________________________________________ / \ / Ben Wyatt - bwyatt@paston.co.uk or b.wyatt@uea.ac.uk \ \ http://www.paston.co.uk/users/bwyatt/index.html / \____________________________________________________/ (c)1995-97 Very Interesting Signatures Ltd. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 21:42:35 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24138 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11918 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11915 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA29844 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20699 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1997 17:33:38 -0000 Received: from herp1-1.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.129) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 1997 17:33:38 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:33:14 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: AMOS And Extensions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: OK, due to the number of questions and requests I have received to get various functions in AMOS, I have decided to construct a kind of Developer FAQ, which entails exactly what people would like either see in a new version of AMOS, or a new extension. Please take the time to go to www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk/dev.html and fill out the form in as best detail that you can. All forms filled in will be posted to another page, so that developers of new extensions etc. can take a look at what everyone wants to see, and can develop a new extension from it. By the way, those who havent sent me their current projects status should do soon, ive only received 5 or 6 peoples project information. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 20:08:17 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16722 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA13916 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13913 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA27680 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28675 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1997 18:11:29 -0000 Received: from herp1-21.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.149) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 1997 18:11:29 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:11:05 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Team *AMOS* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The information for joining Team *AMOS* is now available at www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk/tamos.html Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 00:03:41 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA07391 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA20674 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20663 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (relay-7.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA22078 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0624269; 13 Aug 97 1:48 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0010i; Wed, 13 Aug 97 01:50:33 GMT Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 01:50:33 GMT Message-Id: <9708130150.AA0010h@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24e4d3e5.u8t20e.d9a94-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from Evert-Jan Slypen ) (at Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:30:00 +0200) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net, Jazz@lobster.demon.nl Subject: Re: Intro dammit! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id UAA20668 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Evert-Jan, > In message , "Mr. Giark To You" > writes > >Also, EJ, I need some music for the credits screen. > I was having an idea for that. You could show like a flag or something > and then all the people from that country who contributed to the game. > It shows that this is a real international joining of forces so to > speak, and I could make a few national anthems to go with them. (in fact > I already made the USA one). > Is this a good idea? Flags yes, anthems no. Unless its a really cool remix of the lot. _ _ _ _ _ _ | Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #27 |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | There's nothing more dangerous than an | honest businessman. --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 00:42:54 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA09641 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA21661 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21657 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-14.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.138]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA26211 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1408729; 13 Aug 97 2:06 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0010v; Wed, 13 Aug 97 01:57:12 GMT Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 01:57:12 GMT Message-Id: <9708130157.AA0010q@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24e4d576.u8t20e.b132-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:18:05 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: joehick@golden.net Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: New Menu. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id VAA21658 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Mr., > On 11-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: > >...menu proggie. On loading, it says 'illegal screen parameter' and bombs > >out. > Forgot to say, you gotta delete the old config. It should work after that. Nope, thats what happens without the config. > > On putting my config there, it says 'end of file'. > Old config is not the right size anymore. I fixed that. Guessed that bit :) > > On putting some > >rubbish at the end of my config, it loads up correctly with the lights on > >the border and does sod all. > You don't get the menu options? Nope. Actually, after experimenting a lot, ie hacking the config with xpos,ypos,xsiz,ysiz,99,99,99,99,99,99,99,99,99 it started putting the options on the screen, and even sorta worked, but not properly. The bad bit is what happens WITHOUT the config, ie, bombing out. Snoopdos says it looks for the file, can't find it, then decides something about illegal screen parameter, which I assume is a problem with your default setting. _ _ _ _ _ _ | "Four thousand six hundred and |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | ninety-one irradiated haggis" |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | - A J Rimmer | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 01:04:05 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA09659 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 01:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA20866 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20863 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1c.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.136]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA23529 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1408729; 13 Aug 97 2:06 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA00110; Wed, 13 Aug 97 02:08:01 GMT Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 02:08:01 GMT Message-Id: <9708130208.AA0010z@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24e4d7fe.u8t20e.218a4-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from Scott Douglas Matott ) (at Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:12:53 -0500 (CDT)) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Binary Troubles... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id VAA20864 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Scott, > that Amos Truncates my Binary numbers, so %001 becomes %1, see what I mean > it always gets rid of starting Zeros, so %101 will work but $011 won't it > becomes %11, seriously this always happens forcing me to do odd things to > get arround the problem, or to enter base ten equialents which aren't > always as obvious as these binary/Hex values. Well any clue as to why > this happens, does it even happen to you folks? Any ideas welcome. Why ? 'Cos its supposed to. Its like writing 0000010 in base ten, which is kinda pointless when 10 will suffice. Happens all the time to me, but that doesn't make it less annoying. I would suggest either getting the hang of colours (or whatever) values from right to left (irritating), or using val(" whatever "). Personally, I go for the right to left approach. Warning: Val doesn't always work compiled. 99% of the time only. Alternatively, get hold of easylife, and declare __blue=$f, __green=$f0, __red=$f00, (etc) as constants then use the names until compile time, then optimise it. That'll work. Well, y'don't need easylife to do that, but the optimiser makes it usefull for that purpose. Ah well. Not a very usefull reply. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "There's trouble in Angel Grove Zordon !" |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 23:07:27 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01082 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA20860 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20857 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-14.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.138]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA23386 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1408870; 13 Aug 97 2:08 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA00115; Wed, 13 Aug 97 02:10:19 GMT Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 02:10:19 GMT Message-Id: <9708130210.AA00114@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24e4d889.u8t20e.caad3-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from Ben Wyatt ) (at Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:29:41 -0000) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Why is Amos SLower than C/C++ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id VAA20858 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Ben, > On 11-Aug-97, Scott Douglas Matott sat on a keyboard and produced this mess: > > Quick Question, why is complied AMos Code slower than compiled > > C/C++ code? > C has a better optimiser and faster support routines. My language, POP, aims > to do the same for AMOS type (ie easy to use) languages. Already it is > producing executables more optimised than C compilers (at least where it's > possible to!!). ..perhaps an amos to C converter..? _ _ _ _ _ _ | "..it might have occured to you that it |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | might be a trap." - Vila |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | "It has occurred to me; why do you think | I'm sending Tarrant." - Avon --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 01:05:18 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA12744 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 01:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA24677 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24674 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from whale.st.usm.edu (whale.st.usm.edu [131.95.110.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA27661 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rbanksto@localhost) by whale.st.usm.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA22662 for amos-list@access.digex.net; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 02:44:29 GMT From: Robert Bankston Message-Id: <199708130244.CAA22662@whale.st.usm.edu> Subject: Re: alt.religion.amos To: amos-list@access.digex.net (Amos List) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:44:28 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: >> I tried yanking in all the newsgroups and then searching, which is >>of course how one i supposed to do this osrt of thing, and yet still I >>have no luck, anybody got any ideas? I was wondering what a server does >>to find news lists anyway, I remember looking for them on Netrape and it >>being god awful slow, whereas for some reason TIN is hyper fast, any ideas >>on why that is, or is it just Netrape's general craptitude? >> >> Thanks, >> Scott Matott sXe Well if you are refering to using TIN under a UNIX shell then part of the reason it is faster is 1. The code is smaller and probably a lot better too 2. You aren't transmitting as much data. The list of groups will be somewhere under your account while with Netscrape you are downloading the entire group list, header data, etc. at once via your modem. 3. The ISP or NewsServer probably has a faster processor/s than the machine Netscrape is running on. Of course I could be wrong about all of this so don't write it in stone or anything. Robert From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 12 23:14:09 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03532 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA14671 for amos-out; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14667 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03701 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p20-jay-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.66.140]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA11774; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:05:34 +0100 Message-ID: <33F14B36.478C@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:50:46 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Douglas Matott , AMOS List Subject: Re: Binary Troubles... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > Sam Play 10,%1010 Well, its Sam Play %1010,10 isn't it, but anyway... > To easily know which channels your going to output to, another example is > palette, or colour, > Colour 1,%00F No. Colour 1,$00F gives you blue. Use Hex for colours, not binary. > Should easily give you Blue in colour 1, but waht invariably happens is > that Amos Truncates my Binary numbers, so %001 becomes %1, see what I mean > it always gets rid of starting Zeros, so %101 will work but $011 won't it > becomes %11, seriously this always happens forcing me to do odd things to Its supposed to happen. You see %000000000000001 is the same as %1 basically you can miss out any leading zeros. %00101 is the same as %101 OK? -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 21:18:20 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11981 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12281 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12273 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11626 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA18635 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:31:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pit-pa1-11.ix.netcom.com(199.183.195.43) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma018354; Wed Aug 13 15:30:49 1997 From: Garfield Benjamin Reply-To: Garfield Benjamin To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 01:49:37 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: AMIGA games MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 09-Aug-97, Mush wrote: >Shouldnt we in fact wait on making this clone for a while? Personally, I am NOT doing anything on it, until AFTER the First ListGame is completed and even then, I won't be able to do a lot, although I'd certainly like to. Maybe, I can participate in the Third List-Game project (I know we're still on #1, but once you start you need to keep moving ahead). However, I thought the people who are NOT working on the AMOS ListGame#1, could work on the GameDesign in the meantime... >Just that my buddy Paul Burkey is coding a game called >"Foundation" which is still under heavy construction, and yet >wipes the floor with anything I have seen on the Amiga and PC. >He is releasing it through Sadeness PD, which could mark our >attempts slightly. Well, if he's a buddy of YOURS then of course we'll step aside!! Seriously, I agree completely with you. We need to eliminate internal (meaning developers) competition. I know there are several Warcraft and Command&Conquer style games in development. So, it would be insane to do either of these game-types really, unless you come up with a VERY unique twist. I don't really care what "Complex" game we tackle next, just mentioned Warcraft as that's what Laurie&Rune wanted and Command&Conquer as that appealed more to Murray. Any worthy game is fine with me. What I'm saying is you guys choose a game that we really can pull off in AMOS in STYLE, I mean true Commercial-Quality, and I'll be with you 100%. In spirit anyway. ;-) Haha... once the first ListGame is complete I need to really focus on our commercial game-project. Vulcan would like a playable- demo and I'm getting back in the mood for some serious BLITZ (ahhh, flaming arrows everywhere...) development now!! Take Care, GARFIELD From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 06:38:46 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA05428 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 06:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA08986 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 05:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA08983 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 05:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCSDEV.MCS.CO.UK (SYSTEM@mcsdev.mcs.co.uk [193.32.50.112]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA01734 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 05:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:19 GMT From: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk) Message-Id: <009B8B5ADE4C1FC0.4772@mcs.co.uk> To: amos-list@digex.net Subject: Re: alt.religion.amos X-VMS-To: MCSDEV::SMTP%"amos-list@digex.net" Status: O X-Status: Subj: Re: alt.religion.amos > I tried yanking in all the newsgroups and then searching, which is >of course how one i supposed to do this osrt of thing, and yet still I >have no luck, anybody got any ideas? I was wondering what a server does >to find news lists anyway, I can't speak for any other servers, but my service provider only holds a limited (!!) number of newsgroups (about 16,000 of the things!). There were several that they didn't carry when I joined, but asking them nicely has resulted in them adding some extra groups to their list. Maybe your service provider recons that this group isn't of any interest, so they don't carry it on their server? / \ I |\/| () |\| --/----------------------> From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 12:55:41 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16862 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20011 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20008 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA29560 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25607 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1997 10:25:04 -0000 Received: from herp1-4.redrose.net (mushy-pd@208.7.248.132) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 1997 10:25:04 -0000 Received: by mushypd.redrose.net (V1.16/Amiga) id AA000g3; Wed, 13 Aug 97 10:26:42 GMT Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 10:26:42 GMT Message-Id: <9708131026.AA000g2@mushypd.redrose.net> From: Mush (Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Magic WB palette Status: O X-Status: Does anyone know the palette to use for this setup? Even better, does someone have an IFF pic of a MagicWB icon that came with a utility of some kind. I need to know how many colours, palette layouts etc. Thanks in advance Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 15:35:36 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29700 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA19017 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19013 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18520 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp7-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.56]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA14231 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:57:20 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:38:00 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Credits Program MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 11-Aug-97, Mush wrote: > The credits program keeps crapping out on me. As soon as it is >loaded, it quits with "Illegal Screen Parameters" Did you delete the old config? I'll look into that, because it works for me. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 16:21:25 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10461 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19032 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19028 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25585 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp7-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.56]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA14240 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:57:27 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:40:06 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Intro dammit! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 12-Aug-97, Anthony Sherratt wrote: >I`ll do the intro Giark, that is if no-one else is ?!?! I`ll do the gfx >for it as well. Is there any paritcally way you want it to be done ? Just grab the plotline text from the page and go nuts. I just want it to be finished. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 18:17:31 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22870 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19041 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19038 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03680 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp7-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.56]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA14244 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:57:34 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:44:08 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Binary Troubles... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 12-Aug-97, Scott Douglas Matott wrote: >Colour 1,%00F F is hex, not binary. Q8-{) >Should easily give you Blue in colour 1, but waht invariably happens is >that Amos Truncates my Binary numbers, so %001 becomes %1, It should not be a problem at all. 00045 and 45 are the same, just as $00f and $f are and %000101 and %101 Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 17:11:53 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA15464 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19046 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19043 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03717 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp7-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.56]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA14258 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:57:44 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:46:42 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Intro dammit! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 12-Aug-97, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote: >>Also, EJ, I need some music for the credits screen. >It shows that this is a real international joining of forces so to >speak, and I could make a few national anthems to go with them. The credits screen is a world map and the sprite moves around to show the location of all the contributors. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 14:38:39 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27516 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19057 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19050 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25624 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp7-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.56]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA14263 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:57:48 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:48:46 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Team *AMOS* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 12-Aug-97, Mush wrote: >The information for joining Team *AMOS* is now available at >www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk/tamos.html So now we can be pretentious, like Team Amiga? Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 18:39:29 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25842 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19064 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19061 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18605 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp7-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.56]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA14270 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:57:53 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:54:55 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24e4d576.u8t20e.b132-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: New Menu. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 13-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: > The bad bit >is what happens WITHOUT the config, ie, bombing out. Snoopdos says it looks >for the file, can't find it, then decides something about illegal screen >parameter, which I assume is a problem with your default setting. I think the goofball that programmed it (hey, that's me!) put the load config procedure in the wrong spot. I'll fix that and re up it today. Sorry all, should have deleted my config and tested it first. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 19:00:00 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00833 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22096 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22093 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01511 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14608; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:38:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA29140; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:37:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA11704; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:37:58 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:37:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: --==Murray==-- cc: AMOS List Subject: Re: Binary Troubles... In-Reply-To: <33F14B36.478C@virgin.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > Its supposed to happen. > You see %000000000000001 is the same as %1 > basically you can miss out any leading zeros. > %00101 is the same as %101 > > OK? > > -Murray Man don't I feel stupid, I guess because in Sam Play you set the bits to match the AMiga's 4 channels I got to thinking the posistion of the little 1 and 0's matter, but thinking about it of course they don't it's all about the number they represent so naturally %0001 is the same as %1. Oh well another "mystery" of Amos solved! Thanks, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 19:50:51 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00210 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22469 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22464 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10104 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15669; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:48:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA00621; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:47:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA12241; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:47:04 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:47:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Keith Hill cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Why is Amos SLower than C/C++ In-Reply-To: <9708130210.AA00114@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > > ..perhaps an amos to C converter..? It have to be real smart. I guess it's been a while since I used C so I'd kind of forgot how much more complex it is than Amos, I guess because you do all the same things, like loops, Arrays, Procs, ect. I tend to blend the two in my head, but folks are right C requires a much better understanding of what your doing, and moreover all of the commands are much more specialized than their amos equivalents, which makes me think if you wanted to convert from Amos to C you'd have to do alot of guessing as to what folks were doing, otherwise you couldn't expect to get any extra speed out of C. Well anyhow thanks to all who responded to my question it's been a good course on Language theory, something that I guess I just never put much thought into before. Thanks again, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 18:49:16 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25357 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21961 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21958 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA20964 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9043 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1997 11:31:36 -0000 Received: from lp8-17.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.86.113) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 1997 11:31:36 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:02:09 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009B8B5ADE4C1FC0.4772@mcs.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: alt.religion.amos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk, who did thus comment on Re: alt.religion.amos on the night of 01-Jan-78: > I can't speak for any other servers, but my service provider only holds > a limited (!!) number of newsgroups (about 16,000 of the things!). There > were several that they didn't carry when I joined, but asking them > nicely has resulted in them adding some extra groups to their list. Lucky you! I have over 36,000 different newsgroups to fiddle around with! My Lame ISP bloke (if you can class him as lame) cant be bothered to get off his ass and filter out some of the nasty pornographic ones, which is a real shame, as a lot of their customers (who all live local) dont want to be plastered with such filth as child-sex groups =(( > Maybe your service provider recons that this group isn't of any interest, > so they don't carry it on their server? A simple Email to them, or a quick phonecall should result in them adding it to their ACTIVE lists. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 18:43:30 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24902 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA23485 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23482 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28590 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17476; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:09:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA04190; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:09:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA14108; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:09:33 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:09:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Keith Hill cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Binary Troubles... In-Reply-To: <9708130208.AA0010z@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > > Ah well. Not a very usefull reply. > No very useful, easy life has a #define style command? Does it work with the compiler? In my Ray Caster I've done alot of optimising, primarily changing multiplies/Divides to powers of 2 maths, but this ahs resulted in alot of 16s,8s ect. ect. kicking around my code that I'd rather were labels like _Map_X_size ect. Let me know if easy life will do this, I thought it was primarily a GUI oriented extension, but maybe not. Thanks, Scott Matott sXe \ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 17:39:38 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19448 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21966 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21963 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA07757 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9072 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1997 11:31:42 -0000 Received: from lp8-17.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.86.113) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 1997 11:31:42 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Keith Hill , amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:24:54 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24e4d3e5.u8t20e.d9a94-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Intro dammit! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Keith Hill, who did thus comment on Re: Intro dammit! on the night of 12-Aug-97: > Flags yes, anthems no. Unless its a really cool remix of the lot. Why no anthems? It would be entertaining to hear a few. =P Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 19:57:25 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00670 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21971 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21968 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00912 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9076 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1997 11:31:44 -0000 Received: from lp8-17.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.86.113) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 1997 11:31:44 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:30:41 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199708130244.CAA22662@whale.st.usm.edu> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: alt.religion.amos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Robert Bankston, who did thus comment on Re: alt.religion.amos on the night of 12-Aug-97: > Well if you are refering to using TIN under a UNIX shell then part of the > reason it is faster is > 1. The code is smaller and probably a lot better too Any code is better than netscrape! > 2. You aren't transmitting as much data. The list of groups will > be somewhere under your account while with Netscrape you are > downloading the entire group list, header data, etc. at once via > your modem. The list will always remain resident on the newsserver, no matter which software you use, it will be the same size list (group, and its ID). Tin will also download the whole group if told, or just look for one specific newsgroup. I have netscrape communicator on the wifes PC, and its verrry slow. I think it like, gets the list, then gets it again to make sure it didnt bugger up the first time! > 3. The ISP or NewsServer probably has a faster processor/s than > the machine Netscrape is running on. ?? Netscrape is running on your machine, not theirs! > Of course I could be wrong about all of this so don't write it in stone > or anything. Oops! ;) Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 17:02:52 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA15295 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22377 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22369 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth.usa.net (earth.iex.net [192.156.196.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23433 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acer-200 (tul-ok3-11.ix.netcom.com [204.31.234.107]) by earth.usa.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA04822; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:49:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199708131549.JAA04822@earth.usa.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Parrott" Organization: Parrottsoft, Ltd. To: mushypd@redrose.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:48:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Credits as I see them Reply-to: parrottsoft@usa.net CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Status: O X-Status: Greetings. >> No probs, Adam. I figured it was just a joke. You are right, the >> raycaster should be the showpiece in AMOS terms, but we'll have to >> SEE it first. Q8-{) > Any chance at a look at this compiled version, or even some > screenshots? Hm, let's see, I told Giark screenshots would probably be first, then followed by a compiled Beta demo. I still running some tests on some methods to squeeze out a decent frame rate on this thing. I'll let you know when I have something of interest. Book (n): a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the TV repairman. Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@usa.net, work: parrottsoft@usa.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 20:47:08 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04191 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 20:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA04251 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04248 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-14.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.138]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA23408 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1322541; 13 Aug 97 18:10 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA00124; Wed, 13 Aug 97 18:12:09 GMT Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 18:12:09 GMT Message-Id: <9708131812.AA00123@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24e5b9f7.u8t20e.c590-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from Scott Douglas Matott ) (at Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:09:32 -0500 (CDT)) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: Keith Hill To: sdmatott@midway.uchicago.edu Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Binary Troubles... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id OAA04249 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Scott, > > Ah well. Not a very usefull reply. > No very useful, easy life has a #define style command? Does it > work with the compiler? In my Ray Caster I've done alot of optimising, > primarily changing multiplies/Divides to powers of 2 maths, but this ahs > resulted in alot of 16s,8s ect. ect. kicking around my code that I'd > rather were labels like _Map_X_size ect. Let me know if easy life will do > this, I thought it was primarily a GUI oriented extension, but maybe not. Actually, easylife is usefull mainly for its structures and stuff. The optimizing bits are mainly for 'final run' and don't do anything till the proggie is finished, and modify the source code with lots of obscure numbers as absolute values. It can do constants, structures, and quite a few other usefull things I can't remember, its VERY high on the 'extensions I can't do without' list. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | ŦŦ insert clever quote here ŧŧ |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 18:54:00 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25839 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08192 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08189 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01830 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01974; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:15:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA02242; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:14:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA26847; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:14:41 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:14:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Mush cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Magic WB palette In-Reply-To: <9708131026.AA000g2@mushypd.redrose.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Mush, Try looking on the Aminet under pix/wb people post pictures of there workbenches there, your sure to find a whole bunch of WB workbench pix find some iff ones and look at there palette. Thanks, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 20:25:48 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06352 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 20:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08420 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08413 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02007 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp29-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.78]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA26507 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:21:15 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:12:59 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: menu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 12-Aug-97, Peter Cahill wrote: >>doing it now and it will be in the next one. If you think the marker for you >>is a bit off, tell me how it should be moved (1 pixel left, 2 up, etc). >I downloaded it but couldnt get it to work 8( that's cuz I messed up. >When I load it I get a error saying 'Illegal Screen Parameter' Fixed now. >but in snoopdos it shows that it is trying to load a file called 'bubba.cfg' >but this file didnt come with the archive Ya, it's supposed to check for the config. If it doesn't find it (first run of the game) it shows the intro and goes to the config menu. Now it actually works. >Can you help ? Not only can I, I have. >>The pal ntsc switcher works. up/down to switch, return/fire to accept. >Cool - but I havent got it to work 8( Now you will. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 20:13:08 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01791 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 20:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08457 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08450 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02736 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp29-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.78]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA26518 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:21:21 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:18:01 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9708131026.AA000g2@mushypd.redrose.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Magic WB palette MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 13-Aug-97, Mush wrote: >Does anyone know the palette to use for this setup? UGLY! > Even better, does >someone have an IFF pic of a MagicWB icon that came with a utility of some >kind. I need to know how many colours, palette layouts etc. Thanks in >advance BTW, with Iconian, you can make icons out of IFF pics. That's how I got the mailing list icon that I use. I can also save it as a normal icon, as well as newicon. If you want, just do your icon pics as full size IFFs and use Iconian (wb3, on aminet) to make icons out of them, or send them to me and I will do it. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 20:05:58 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04839 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 20:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08478 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08471 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02759 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp29-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.78]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA26528 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:21:26 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:20:02 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Icons MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: I would like to see our icons like the AWeb package: Icons in newicon, MagicWB (UGLY!) and old 4 colour. Then the install program can ask which type of icons to use. I am glad to see you all thinking about packaging and such already, but I'd like to see some completed levels as well. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 18:56:49 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27313 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08495 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08490 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02764 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp29-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.78]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA26535 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:21:31 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:21:21 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Sounds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: I have had no feedback on the Bubba speech samples I put up. Are any of you using them yet? Are there any other things that you need the Cap'n to say? Just let me know and I can whip `em off in a few minutes. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 22:04:38 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA16757 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA22437 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22434 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.9]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA02148 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0526968; 14 Aug 97 0:10 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0012r; Wed, 13 Aug 97 23:56:34 GMT Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 23:56:34 GMT Message-Id: <9708132356.AA0012m@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24e60aaf.u8t20e.847a3-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:54:55 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: joehick@golden.net Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: New Menu. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id TAA22435 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Mr., > On 13-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: > > The bad bit > >is what happens WITHOUT the config, ie, bombing out. Snoopdos says it looks > >for the file, can't find it, then decides something about illegal screen > >parameter, which I assume is a problem with your default setting. > I think the goofball that programmed it (hey, that's me!) put the load config > procedure in the wrong spot. I'll fix that and re up it today. Sorry all, > should have deleted my config and tested it first. Ah... MUCH better now.. ;-) If someone switches to 60hz + saves, it should preferably re-load in 60hz mode. ....and it would be nicer if the samples played on the config screen. 'Part from that, nicely done. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "Hey Beavis, does this suck ?" |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 13 21:10:59 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11266 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA22136 for amos-out; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22133 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.9]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA01954 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0526968; 14 Aug 97 0:10 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0012w; Thu, 14 Aug 97 00:11:30 GMT Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 00:11:30 GMT Message-Id: <9708140011.AA0012v@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24e60e30.u8t20e.91fec-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:54:55 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Colours. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id TAA22134 Status: O X-Status: Just had a thought. Castle Assault stage currently uses 32 colours. Whatdya think to me cranking it up to 64 colours ?? It'll slow it down a lot, but whaddya think ? _ _ _ _ _ _ | "It seems to me that censors are a silly |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | breed. In fact, I wonder how they breed |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | at all" - Max Headroom | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 14 03:47:40 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA13204 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 03:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA03690 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 00:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA03687 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 00:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth.usa.net (earth.iex.net [192.156.196.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01809 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 00:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acer-200 (tul-ok1-17.ix.netcom.com [204.31.234.49]) by earth.usa.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA05290; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:22:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199708140422.WAA05290@earth.usa.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Parrott" Organization: Parrottsoft, Ltd. To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:22:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Colours. Reply-to: parrottsoft@usa.net CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: <9708140011.AA0012v@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-reply-to: <24e60e30.u8t20e.91fec-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> References: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:54:55 -0500) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Status: O X-Status: Greetings. > Just had a thought. Castle Assault stage currently uses 32 colours. > Whatdya think to me cranking it up to 64 colours ?? It'll slow it > down a lot, but whaddya think ? Well, I don't know about you, but the Dungeon stage will probably be using 64 EHB screens and textures, so, heads up! hehe. Btw, the first demo (which I'll be compiling tommorrow, Thursday), will only have a map w/textures but no baddies yet. I haven't coded the logic for the enemies or any of those structures (that's a whole other 100 pages of code and converting!). However, don't fret, after I send the compiled demo to Giark, I'll get right to work on adding the enemies logic and also doors, floors, and ceilings (at least a couple more days work.) I'll keep you posted. Advertising (n): the science of arresting the human intelligence for long enough to get money from it. Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@usa.net, work: parrottsoft@usa.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 14 05:41:11 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA25303 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 05:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA01134 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 04:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA01131 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 04:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCSDEV.MCS.CO.UK (SYSTEM@mcsdev.mcs.co.uk [193.32.50.112]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA16693 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 04:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:52 GMT From: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk) Message-Id: <009B8C202E1C4B40.4537@mcs.co.uk> To: amos-list@digex.net Subject: Re: Why is Amos SLower than C/C++ X-VMS-To: MCSDEV::SMTP%"amos-list@digex.net" Status: O X-Status: Subj: Re: Why is Amos SLower than C/C++ Ben Wyatt headbutted the keyboard on the 13-Aug-1997, resulting in his computer throwing out the following: >> Quick Question, why is complied AMos Code slower than compiled >> C/C++ code? >C has a better optimiser and faster support routines. My language, POP, aims >to do the same for AMOS type (ie easy to use) languages. Already it is >producing executables more optimised than C compilers (at least where it's >possible to!!). Hmmmm..... that sounds very nice! When can I try it out??? :-) / \ I |\/| () |\| --/----------------------> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Don't get stuck in a closet - wear yourself out." From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 14 07:40:50 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA28310 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 07:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA03284 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 06:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA03281 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 06:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.eds.com (ns1.eds.com [192.85.154.78]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA29003 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 06:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nnsa.eds.com (nnsa.eds.com [130.174.31.78]) by ns1.eds.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08124 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 06:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsg.eds.com (hrnns01.gsg.eds.com [199.42.6.69]) by nnsa.eds.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA02950 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 06:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.ecs.msu.eds.com by gsg.eds.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00581; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 06:30:18 -0400 Received: by smtpgate.ecs.msu.eds.com with Microsoft Mail id <33F30441@smtpgate.ecs.msu.eds.com>; Thu, 14 Aug 97 06:12:33 PDT From: "Cox, Michael" To: "'amos-list@access.digex.net'" Subject: AMOS Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 06:32:00 PDT Message-Id: <33F30441@smtpgate.ecs.msu.eds.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: RO X-Status: From: Fred Phillips[SMTP:phillips@internetni.com] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 1997 12:47 AM Subject: AMOS Hi! I program in AMOS. I am going to write some educational programs. I am planning to do a Beavis and Butthead game also. Is it possible to do full screen scrolling and have bob characters as sprites. I want to have it similar to the Nintendo version of the game. Obviously, I would have to use some add-on blitter extension. What is currently available and is this possible to do a game like this in AMOS? Or should I use Blitz Basic. The demos I seen from Blitz from version 2 ,I think, were not too impressive. I like AMOS' style and enjoy the language and set-up. Do you live in the US? Please add me to your mailing address. Thank You, Fred Phillips I live in Illinois I look forward to your reply. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 01:17:51 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA20771 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA24687 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24684 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA12096 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7432 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1997 01:42:02 -0000 Received: from lp4-28.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.83.188) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 1997 01:42:02 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Johannes Rydh CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 20:59:55 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <92709441@rydh.bengtsfors.se> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Input MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Johannes Rydh, who did thus comment on Input on the night of 14-Aug-97: > Hi everybody! > I have a problem. How can I input a string from an open file when the file > contains "," and other stuff? "Input #" didnt work, and I understand why. > I tried also "Line Input" but i couldn't make it work. > Appearently, AMOS looks for a special char that will end the line, and I > beleve it's char 0 in the ascii table. > How can I fix this? The "Line Input" command is supposed to have a "separator" > value, but it wont work! > I have AMOS Professional v1.03. I run it on a A1200 with 10 MB RAM. Use OPEN IN as usual, but then type SET INPUT 10,-1 after it (sets the file to stop at CHR$(10)) and use LINE INPUT #1,A$ or something, and you will find it will seriously help you. When writing files, its important you do PRINT #1,A$+CHR$(10); so you write them with CHR$(10) [proper end of line character] rather than the CHR$(13) which AMOS seems to put there instead. Hope this helps Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 01:03:58 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA13007 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA24765 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24762 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA25967 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10051 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1997 01:52:02 -0000 Received: from lp4-28.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.83.188) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 1997 01:52:02 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Scott Douglas Matott CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 21:09:55 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Newsgroup MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Scott Douglas Matott, who did thus comment on Newsgroup on the night of 14-Aug-97: > Hello everybody, > I gues I got on the newsgroup via www.dejanews.com it's actually > pretty fast, if you broswe with Lynx (just text) anyway my question is > this What The Heck is up with all those sex posts? Is there a way to > screen them out? Most lists have a monitor to keep that kind of stuff > out, (not to say I give a shit about sex on the web ect. ect. But these > posts are so obviously mass posts and have nothing wahtsoever to do with > Amos, besides there are plenty of sex groups for folks to post to as it is > so they don't need to be dumping stuff in our group) I think in this case > Mush is our monitor,, am I right?? I thought he set the thing up, maybe > he knows a way to screen posts I know it's done on other news groups (try > comp.sys.amiga.announcements I know it's monitored. Well anyway jsut my > two cents. OK, first of all, yes, dejanews is getting quite reliable now for looking up on news, i used it in the big computer museum in Washington and had my pic took next to my homepage (which took ages to get as the example computer had no keyboard). Anyway.... The sex posts are always put there, its just some sad git trying all the groups to get more of a wide audience to their rather sick URL sites. Now, on the whole usenet scene, there are several hundred "Spam Bots" working 24 hours a day, flat out. They wipe out nearly 6 million posts a day, and unfortunately, some still gets through. I know some sites get over 400 sex posts a day, which are luckily killed before they make it to your screen. alt.religion.amos only gets 2 or 3 posts at the most a day (luckily, none for today) but they get filtered out by me when my script processes news to mail. Plus, only 3 people have ever posted a news article, so its usually only sex posts that I see. Anyhow, I will see about setting up a spam bot of some sort, as I can kill articles manually, so it shouldnt be too difficult. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 14 17:46:46 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA12186 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA21152 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21145 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA22247 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id aa0020335; 14 Aug 97 18:22 MET DST Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:32:14 +0200 To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Re: Intro dammit! In-Reply-To: <9708130150.AA0010h@mirex.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id MAA21148 Status: O X-Status: In message <9708130150.AA0010h@mirex.demon.co.uk>, Keith Hill writes >> I already made the USA one). >> Is this a good idea? > >Flags yes, anthems no. Unless its a really cool remix of the lot. I donīt yet know what Giark has planned (havenīt looked at the menu yet) but I suspect the credits screen has something to do with the worldmap, which nullifies my plan. Again. :) -- Evert-Jan Slypen From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 14 18:54:52 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10832 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA21157 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21150 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA15543 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id aa0020332; 14 Aug 97 18:22 MET DST Message-ID: <$tWydFA+zg8zIwp3@lobster.demon.nl> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:37:34 +0200 To: Peter Cahill Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net, James Brown From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Re: Pang In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id MAA21155 Status: O X-Status: In message , Peter Cahill writes >>I will send it to you if it is finished, and if you OK it it can be put >>on the listpage. > >OK -thanks ALOT!! No probs, just doing my job ma'am. :) >If possible though... could you make the first vumeter (amos calls it '0' I >think) >blank cos the sfx play through it (If you left a diffrent one blank -its ok >Ill change the code) Channel 4 is always blank, with all the bubba musics. > >What format will it be in ? The first version will be in THX format, so you can see if you like it (and I don't have to worry 'bout samples or anything), and if you think it's good enough for your game I'll convert it to PT. >and what extension(if any) will I play it through ? THX music can be played with the THX extension (doh!) and with the Doom music extension. Or with THX natch. :) >>Letīs hope I donīt melt first. :) > >Hehe - its raining where I am 8) I wish it was here... man... well, it will get cooler in the next few days I hope. -- Evert-Jan Slypen From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 14 17:33:53 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29222 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA21402 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21399 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.lindesign.se (root@bean.lindesign.se [194.17.145.248]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17098 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from privatehost ([195.100.90.189]) by bean.lindesign.se with esmtp (ident dtk399m using rfc1413) id m0wz2rC-001mshC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:34:42 +0200 (CEST) To: "AMOS List" From: "Johannes Rydh" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:11:28 +0100 X-Mailer: PINT v2.2ß (24.6.97) Subject: Input Message-ID: <92709441@rydh.bengtsfors.se> Status: O X-Status: Hi everybody! I have a problem. How can I input a string from an open file when the file contains "," and other stuff? "Input #" didnt work, and I understand why. I tried also "Line Input" but i couldn't make it work. Appearently, AMOS looks for a special char that will end the line, and I beleve it's char 0 in the ascii table. How can I fix this? The "Line Input" command is supposed to have a "separator" value, but it wont work! I have AMOS Professional v1.03. I run it on a A1200 with 10 MB RAM. Do anyone have any solution for my problem? This file is not created with AMOS, the user starts an editor to change the text. So it have to look good. --- With regards, Johannes Rydh From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 14 19:29:29 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26576 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15609 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15602 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-13.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.137]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA25899 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1409016; 14 Aug 97 15:10 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA00131; Thu, 14 Aug 97 15:02:20 GMT Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 15:02:20 GMT Message-Id: <9708141502.AA00130@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24e6def9.u8t20e.b3f2f-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199708140422.WAA05290@earth.usa.net> (from "Adam Parrott" ) (at Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:22:01 -0600) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From: Keith Hill To: parrottsoft@usa.net Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Colours. Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Adam, > > Just had a thought. Castle Assault stage currently uses 32 colours. > > Whatdya think to me cranking it up to 64 colours ?? It'll slow it > > down a lot, but whaddya think ? > Well, I don't know about you, but the Dungeon stage will probably be > using 64 EHB screens and textures, so, heads up! hehe. Sold. The ray traced levels just jumped to 64 colours ;-) > Btw, the first demo (which I'll be compiling tommorrow, Thursday), > will only have a map w/textures but no baddies yet. I haven't coded > the logic for the enemies or any of those structures (that's a whole > other 100 pages of code and converting!). However, don't fret, after > I send the compiled demo to Giark, I'll get right to work on adding > the enemies logic and also doors, floors, and ceilings (at least a > couple more days work.) I'll keep you posted. Cool, looking forward to seeing it. _ _ _ _ _ _ | "Whats with the rocks, Mac ?" |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "I like rocks." |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | "Try art." | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 14 15:57:19 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14792 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA12172 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12161 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1c.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.136]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA20711 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ad1409016; 14 Aug 97 15:10 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0013e; Thu, 14 Aug 97 15:05:43 GMT Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 15:05:43 GMT Message-Id: <9708141505.AA00139@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24e6dfc4.u8t20e.cc2da-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:21:21 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: joehick@golden.net Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Sounds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id KAA12165 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Mr., > I have had no feedback on the Bubba speech samples I put up. Are any of you > using them yet? Are there any other things that you need the Cap'n to say? > Just let me know and I can whip `em off in a few minutes. Crank up the quality, they are way scratchy. Other things to say ? I'm currenly using the same speech samples as Garfields level, (continuity way in advance..) so have a look at that. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "A giant souflee is about to consume The |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | City, we need your cannon." - The Tick | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 14 16:13:06 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17317 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA12373 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12370 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20833 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp16-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.65]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24257 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:12:53 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:09:19 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24e60aaf.u8t20e.847a3-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: New Menu. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 13-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: >If someone switches to 60hz + saves, it should preferably re-load in >60hz mode. Doable. >....and it would be nicer if the samples played on the config screen. I was thinking about that myself. >'Part from that, nicely done. Glad you liked it. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 14 18:21:54 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06675 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA12378 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12375 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25532 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp16-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.65]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24278 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:12:59 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:11:31 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24e60e30.u8t20e.91fec-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Colours. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 14-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: >Just had a thought. Castle Assault stage currently uses 32 colours. >Whatdya think to me cranking it up to 64 colours ?? It'll slow it down a >lot, but whaddya think ? First, get the multi input device implemented. Then see what fine tuning is needed from there before changing the colours. We need to get the bits together, as we are getting close to a release date. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 14 19:19:09 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10542 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20311 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20303 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20093 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23015 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:04:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA17733 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:03:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA01026 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:03:55 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:03:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Amos List Subject: Newsgroup Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello everybody, I gues I got on the newsgroup via www.dejanews.com it's actually pretty fast, if you broswe with Lynx (just text) anyway my question is this What The Heck is up with all those sex posts? Is there a way to screen them out? Most lists have a monitor to keep that kind of stuff out, (not to say I give a shit about sex on the web ect. ect. But these posts are so obviously mass posts and have nothing wahtsoever to do with Amos, besides there are plenty of sex groups for folks to post to as it is so they don't need to be dumping stuff in our group) I think in this case Mush is our monitor,, am I right?? I thought he set the thing up, maybe he knows a way to screen posts I know it's done on other news groups (try comp.sys.amiga.announcements I know it's monitored. Well anyway jsut my two cents. Thanks, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 14 23:15:36 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA08310 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA23985 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23982 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m6.sprynet.com (m6.sprynet.com [165.121.1.89]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA22538 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sprynet.com (ragriffi@hd32-124.hil.compuserve.com [206.175.223.124]) by m6.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12748 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:14:22 -0700 From: Richard Griffith Reply-To: Richard Griffith To: AMOS mailing list Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:11:26 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <92709441@rydh.bengtsfors.se> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Input MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 14-Aug-97, Johannes Rydh wrote: >I have a problem. How can I input a string from an open file ... >Appearently, AMOS looks for a special char that will end the line, and I >beleve it's char 0 in the ascii table. Actually, AMOS is looking for line ending with a CR/LF combination like some 'other' computer systems use for plain text file. (Most notable, MS-DOS, but I belive the Atari roots in STOS are what is actually behind this 'feature'.) Luckily, AMOS has a way to specify the line termination, like so: Open In 1,"textfile.name" Rem set Amiga default of a single line feed Set Input 10,-1 The default would be something like 'Set Input 13,10'; The negative one means don't expect a second character. Good luck, -Richard From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 14 20:26:14 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20201 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00880 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00877 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03906 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp21-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.70]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA31945 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:03:34 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:02:15 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Position and Bubba Pic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 14-Aug-97, Anthony Sherratt wrote: >The credit part in the menu code is mighty impressive. One thing >thou` , why isnt my name under the `Graphics` part ????? I may not have updated the credits.txt file yet. I'm trying to get a final credits listing done, but some people don't ever reply to the list anymore. >If >you want I can draw a piccy/anim for in between levels, you know a >little story for jumping between levels. I'll get the final storyline done soon and send it to you. I'll probably use the credits scroller thingy to scroll the text over the pics. They need to be 8 (yes 8) colour pics, 320X234. They are actually 16 colour, but the last 8 are for the scroll XOR stuff. Feel free to do them in as many colours as you like, but be aware I'll have to convert them down to 8 colours. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 14 20:18:03 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19466 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10241 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10238 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.201.27.131] ([208.201.27.131]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA23384 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.comsoltx.com by [208.201.27.131] via smtpd (for mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) with SMTP; 14 Aug 1997 20:11:32 UT Received: by mail.comsoltx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:19:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ken Axsom To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: RE: Sounds Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:19:56 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_01BCA8C5.86C3E4E0" Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BCA8C5.86C3E4E0 Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Hill [SMTP:Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 1997 10:06 AM > To: joehick@golden.net > Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net > Subject: Re: Sounds > > To the one known as Mr., > > > I have had no feedback on the Bubba speech samples I put up. Are any > of you > > using them yet? Are there any other things that you need the Cap'n > to say? > > Just let me know and I can whip `em off in a few minutes. > > Crank up the quality, they are way scratchy. Other things to say ? > > IDEA: Have a junky lookin beer-craft drop off some power-ups > and have CB respond with: " I LUV YOU MAN!" (BUD LIGHT > slogan) > > Ken > ------ =_NextPart_001_01BCA8C5.86C3E4E0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    -----Original Message-----
    From:   Keith Hill = [SMTP:Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk]
    Sent:   Thursday, August 14, 1997 10:06 AM
    To:     joehick@golden.net
    Cc:     amos-list@access.digex.net
    Subject:       = Re: Sounds

    To the one known as = Mr.,

    > I have had no = feedback on the Bubba speech samples I put up. Are any of you
    > using them = yet? Are there any other things that you need the Cap'n to say?
    > Just let me = know and I can whip `em off in a few minutes.

    Crank up the = quality, they are way scratchy.  Other things to say ?

    IDEA: Have a junky lookin = beer-craft drop off some power-ups
              and = have CB respond with: " I LUV YOU MAN!"  (BUD LIGHT = slogan)

    Ken

------ =_NextPart_001_01BCA8C5.86C3E4E0-- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 00:35:48 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA10651 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 00:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA22975 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22972 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18111 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp35-ts2-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.84]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13031 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:27:31 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:19:37 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Intro dammit! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id UAA22973 Status: O X-Status: On 13-Aug-97, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote: >I donīt yet know what Giark has planned (havenīt looked at the menu yet) >but I suspect the credits screen has something to do with the worldmap, >which nullifies my plan. Again. :) Sorry, EJ. Check it out and see what you can come up with. I figure one tune for the whole thing would be fine. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 14 23:10:06 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23501 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA22991 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22988 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03825 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp35-ts2-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.84]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13036 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:27:36 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:22:25 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <92709441@rydh.bengtsfors.se> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Input MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 14-Aug-97, Johannes Rydh wrote: >I have a problem. How can I input a string from an open file when the file >contains "," and other stuff? "Input #" didnt work, and I understand why. Continue reading the line until AMOS made file chr$(13) and chr$(10) Amiga standard text file chr$(10) Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 00:36:29 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16860 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 00:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA22997 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22993 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03846 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp35-ts2-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.84]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13042 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:27:42 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:27:32 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: New Stuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: I updated the page. The credits file there reflects what I've got so far. I finalized the storyline. Grab it, intro guys. Anthony, I love the Bubba at the bar pic. If possible, could you look at the Pics.txt and maybe do them all? I'll redo the Bubba speech samples tonight and put them up tomorrow. I think it was the mike level that messed up the quality. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 01:12:19 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA20237 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA26553 for amos-out; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26550 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kanina.cosgrove.tased.edu.au (kanina.cosgrove.tased.edu.au [147.41.146.3]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA24120 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kanina.cosgrove.tased.edu.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BCA97D.43F1AF90@kanina.cosgrove.tased.edu.au>; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:15:13 +1000 Message-ID: From: "Templeton, Jeremy" To: "'amos-list@access.digex.net'" Subject: Ultima Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:15:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: I've written the engine to an ultima clone, and would like to get some beta-testers to see how it preforms on other computers. Mail me if you want to help. - J. Templeton - Realm Productions From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 02:35:57 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA27623 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 02:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA28692 for amos-out; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA28689 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth.usa.net (earth.iex.net [192.156.196.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA11698 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acer-200 (tul-ok2-05.ix.netcom.com [204.31.234.69]) by earth.usa.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA07762; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:57:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199708150557.XAA07762@earth.usa.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Parrott" Organization: Parrottsoft, Ltd. To: "Mr. Giark To You" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 00:56:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New Stuff Reply-to: parrottsoft@usa.net CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Status: O X-Status: Greetings. > I updated the page. The credits file there reflects what I've got so > far. I finalized the storyline. Grab it, intro guys. Anthony, I love > the Bubba at the bar pic. If possible, could you look at the > Pics.txt and maybe do them all? Well, before you sent this message, I went over to the page to check for any updates and ran across the file (pics.txt) and looked (downloaded it for ref) at it, and went ahead, took a break from my raycaster and Bubba level. Went ahead and took my hand at (started on) some of the scenes in my 3D modeler (remember I AM a graphics guy and haven't done any gfx for awhile, hehe, namely because you haven't directly told us what you want), anyhow, I've started on a bar pic and may do some of the others (probably the ones with the blonde and loot, including the Tax Man, namely because I have some handy female, gift, and loot models). Dictatorship (n): a form of government under which everything which is not prohibited is compulsory. Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@usa.net, work: parrottsoft@usa.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 20:36:24 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04863 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09532 for amos-out; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09525 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08757 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6093 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1997 21:37:54 -0000 Received: from herp1-30.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.158) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 1997 21:37:54 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 21:09:47 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: All this talk about a List Game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: With all this talk about doing a list game, has anyone figured out that some people might be interested in doing a List Utility? I have no idea on what kind of utility to work on, although I was thinking (and mentioned it to petro) about working on a hip hop mod player, written with the GUI and DOOM extension. I reckon contribution (such as mod detection routines) would be great, if people can code Genies for example, which do wierd things, hehe. I dunno, maybe im just babbling... Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 16 12:32:48 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16142 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28706 for amos-out; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28699 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01895 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id aa0011747; 16 Aug 97 17:25 MET DST Date: 13 Aug 97 22:19:22 -0500 From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Credits To: Amos ML Message-ID: <747.7164T1339T1123@lobster.demon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: THOR 2.4 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Status: O X-Status: Nice credits screen/handling Giark! Er, but one or two remarks : 1. Could the textcolour of the scroll be a little lighter? 2. The joyfire is VERY sensitive. A bit too sensitive for my liking. You have to press and release the firebutton very quickly or else it just skips the text before you've even seen it and goes back to the map screen. I'll mix up some music when I have finished what I am doing now (the Secret music) and I'll see if I can find something remotely interesting to put in my scroll. ________________________ ( ) \_ Evert-Jan Slypen? / \||||/ o\___________________/ ([Oo]) . \()/ Grtz! ----oOo----oOo----- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 19:08:23 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA18803 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00562 for amos-out; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00559 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post8.tele.dk (post8.tele.dk [194.239.134.172]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26265 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post8.tele.dk ([194.239.180.75]) by post8.tele.dk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA20896; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:01:46 +0100 From: Jens Vang Petersen To: Mush CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:07:27 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: I got it going on :-) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-Status: On 12-Aug-97, Mush smashed the keyboard with: >OK, due to the number of questions and requests I have received to get >various functions in AMOS, I have decided to construct a kind of Developer >FAQ, >which entails exactly what people would like either see in a new version of >AMOS, or a new extension. ^Sounds cool... >Please take the time to go to www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk/dev.html and fill >out the form in as best detail that you can. All forms filled in will be >posted to another page, so that developers of new extensions etc. can take >a look at what everyone wants to see, and can develop a new extension from >it. >By the way, those who havent sent me their current projects status should >do soon, ive only received 5 or 6 peoples project information. Just some info's on my projects currently running, (Don't when the next version will be out, but I just listen to Ideas and when I've got enough the next verz is on the street :-) Project: Verz. What iz it ? Disc-O-Tek 1.621 Database for a huge music-collection JVP-NoKids 1.000 Extension, mainly sorting commands Video-Tek Pro 1.000 Database for Video-collections. PM3-Edit 1.02 Editor for Premier Manager 3. Hex-Edit 1.228 Hex-Editor UFO-Edit 1.200 Editor for UFO-Enemy unknown Notes: Video-Tek is currently in alpha-status with some graphic problems.. JVP-NoKids is currently stoped in devolopment, as I can't think of more commands to add :-( Disc-O-Tek has a new verz ready, testing it at the moment PM3-Edit has got some new docs, but no new functions (yet, working on that) UFO-Edit has stopped development, might be revived later... If anyone is interested in some of the programs, just drop me a line -- Happy greetings, Yours.. __________________________________________________________________________ /_ __/ __ / __ /\ ___\ __ \__ _\ aka. JENS VANG PETERSEN / / / /_/ / ____/ \ \___\ __ \ \ \ Nyvej 8, DK-4450 Jyderup, Denmark /_/ /_____/_/ \_____\_\ \_\ \_\ top_cat@post8.tele.dk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meets quality standards = It compiles without errors. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 17:26:14 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18794 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20853 for amos-out; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20850 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.9]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06469 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1220316; 15 Aug 97 14:56 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0013y; Fri, 15 Aug 97 01:37:30 GMT Date: Fri, 15 Aug 97 01:37:30 GMT Message-Id: <9708150137.AA0013t@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24e773d8.u8t20e.ca0-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:11:31 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: To: joehick@golden.net Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Colours/update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id LAA20851 Status: RO X-Status: To the one known as Mr., > On 14-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: > >Just had a thought. Castle Assault stage currently uses 32 colours. > >Whatdya think to me cranking it up to 64 colours ?? It'll slow it down a > >lot, but whaddya think ? > First, get the multi input device implemented. Then see what fine tuning is > needed from there before changing the colours. We need to get the bits > together, as we are getting close to a release date. Mouse + joystick/pad implemented already. KBD not implemented. I need the raw values passed from somewhere preferably. scancode is just too damn slow. ..needs more colours, cos the raytraced levels could use them, plus there are a lot of hi-colour objects to be implemented on the same level. For reference, level two (bats/green things) uses about 3000 unique colours before compression. Dragon level uses about 300... !! For an update, most of the spider gfx are ready, most of the dragon gfx are ready, and a lot more objects included over last couple of days. Well, it seems like a lot from where I'm sitting anyway. ..so far, it looks like being only two levels... :( Demo level (which doesn't count), first level with bats and green things, and a few things you havn't seen yet, and then the dragon level, which currently looks awesome. It moves like a snake.. Over 500 bob-type objects.. _ _ _ _ _ _ | "Given that God is infinate, |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | and the universe is infinate, |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | would you like a toasted tea cake ?" | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 08:14:15 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23855 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA02356 for amos-out; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 06:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA02353 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 06:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA16897 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 06:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id aa0018576; 15 Aug 97 12:54 MET DST Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:49:51 +0200 To: "Mr. Giark To You" Cc: AMOS List From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Re: Intro dammit! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id GAA02354 Status: RO X-Status: In message , "Mr. Giark To You" writes >>It shows that this is a real international joining of forces so to >>speak, and I could make a few national anthems to go with them. > >The credits screen is a world map and the sprite moves around to show the >location of all the contributors. Yep, posted the idea before I saw that. Itīs very nice. -- Evert-Jan Slypen From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 16:10:37 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27128 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14449 for amos-out; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14444 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from matrix.multiboard.com (root@matrix.multiboard.com [204.191.68.100]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06178 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: chrisevans@cubic.xg.com Received: from cubic.xg.com (multib@localhost) by matrix.multiboard.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with UUCP id KAA30486 for amos-list@access.digex.net; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:09:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: matrix.multiboard.com: multib set sender to cubic.xg.com!chrisevans using -f Received: by bbs.multiboard.com (IG 1.0+ sn 1) via UUCP id A0210; 15 Aug 1997 10:00:34 -0500 Date: 15 Aug 97 08:32:00 -0500 Subject: for Fred, game coding To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-ID: <0871639234002c0210@bbs.multiboard.com> Organization: Cubic BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario +15196336357 Status: O X-Status: > From: Fred Phillips[SMTP:phillips@internetni.com] > Is it possible to do full > screen scrolling and have bob characters as sprites. It sure is. One of the best examples is the Dizzy clone series by the Mr. AMOS Club (Brian Bell & N. Kennedy) which I sent to amos-lister Cory to place on the Aminet somewhere. -Chris. /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | The views of the author are not of the originating system | \_______________________________________________________________/ Email: chrisevans@cubic.xg.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 16:23:58 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12097 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14454 for amos-out; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14451 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from matrix.multiboard.com (root@matrix.multiboard.com [204.191.68.100]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06181 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:11:04 -0400 (EDT) From: chrisevans@cubic.xg.com Received: from cubic.xg.com (multib@localhost) by matrix.multiboard.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with UUCP id KAA30487 for amos-list@access.digex.net; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:09:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: matrix.multiboard.com: multib set sender to cubic.xg.com!chrisevans using -f Received: by bbs.multiboard.com (IG 1.0+ sn 1) via UUCP id A0211; 15 Aug 1997 10:00:34 -0500 Date: 15 Aug 97 08:39:00 -0500 Subject: Re: for Pietro To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-ID: <0871639234002c0211@bbs.multiboard.com> Organization: Cubic BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario +15196336357 Status: O X-Status: > >> Someone know the new e-mail of Paul Hickman? > >Yup, here it is: PHickman@mycom-media.com > Thanks... but unfortunately the server returns the e-mail as > undeliverable :( Maybe he has changed again the address..... Guess so, that's the only address I have, sorry Pietro. You might write the sysop at Mycom and see if Paul is still a subscriber and has maybe changed his address, or if the sysop has a forwarding one. Just a shot. -Chris. /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | The views of the author are not of the originating system | \_______________________________________________________________/ Email: chrisevans@cubic.xg.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 18:17:40 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12983 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29773 for amos-out; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29769 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mago.agonet.it (mago.agonet.it [195.32.124.10]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08253 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agonet.it (ghizzo@p126067.agonet.it [195.32.126.67]) by mago.agonet.it (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00626; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:27:41 +0200 From: Pietro Ghizzoni Reply-To: Pietro Ghizzoni To: "Mr. Giark To You" , Amos-List Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:01:58 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Dairymen Soft Subject: Re: Position and Bubba Pic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 14-Ago-97, Mr. Giark To You wrote: Re: Position and Bubba Pic >I'll get the final storyline done soon and send it to you. I'll probably use >the credits scroller thingy to scroll the text over the pics. They need to be >8 (yes 8) colour pics, 320X234. They are actually 16 colour, but the last 8 >are for the scroll XOR stuff. Feel free to do them in as many colours as you >like, but be aware I'll have to convert them down to 8 colours. Oh no... the credits scroller can be easly modified in order to scroll text over 16 or 32 colours pics ;) Let me know when you have obtained the pics, and i'll modify the scroller consequently. --- Bye! !!! o o +-----------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo----------------------------+ | | | Pietro Ghizzoni - Dairymen Soft __ /// Amiga 12OO | | E-Mail: ghizzo@agonet.it \\\/// 'O3O 5OMhz | | Team AMIGA \/// 1OMB - CD4x | | | | Amos Professional Team Coordinator AMIGA RULEZ!! | | | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 19:06:29 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA18639 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03241 for amos-out; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03217 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16686 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp21-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.70]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA11395 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:40:31 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:34:12 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: stuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: New stuff on the page: IAPA - International AMOS Programmers Association (proposed name). Check it out. If you want to add sfx or other gfx, go ahead. But all look at it and decide if you wnat to use it. New BubbaSpeaks. All samples redone and all the ones added that were requested. Mid level = tax man's minion End = Tax man Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 18:11:37 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12003 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03229 for amos-out; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03209 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14220 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp21-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.70]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA11405 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:40:40 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:38:15 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Bubba Pics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 15-Aug-97, Anthony Sherratt wrote: >Please dont resort to 8 cols, it would be hell :( Do them in as many colours as you like, I said. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 18:20:38 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13186 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03239 for amos-out; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03218 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16689 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp21-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.70]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA11414 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:40:45 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:40:24 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Sounds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 15-Aug-97, Peter Cahill wrote: >Sorry! The next demo of pang is useing them 8) You mean Bubba's Bubbles. Q8-{) >If I need the Cap'n to say other stuff I'll let you know Okay. >Cool sfx 8) They've all been redone and I added a few more as well. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 15 19:55:15 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23603 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09235 for amos-out; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09232 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07351 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p33-pigeon-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.72.33]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA13020 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:24:28 +0100 Message-ID: <33F5281C.6B2C@virgin.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:10:04 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMOS List Subject: Easylife Docs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Does anyone have the full docs for easylife? The ones I have (from aminet or mushy pd) is an amigaguide doc (which is xpked(!) first so involved alot of fiddling around) has bits missing. It looks for easylifeSTRUCT and easylifeMUI for the structures and MUI commands so I don't actually know how to use any of those commands. -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 16 14:33:54 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04052 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29629 for amos-out; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29626 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m6.sprynet.com (m6.sprynet.com [165.121.1.89]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19824 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sprynet.com (ragriffi@hd60-118.hil.compuserve.com [199.174.240.118]) by m6.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA28247 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:10:37 -0700 From: Richard Griffith Reply-To: Richard Griffith To: amos-list Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:08:09 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <92709629@rydh.bengtsfors.se> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Print MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 16-Aug-97, Johannes Rydh wrote: >When I use Print # AMOS will automatic add a chr$(13) ... The trick here is to not let AMOS have an end of line. Putting a semi-colon (;) at the end of each PRINT# command will keep AMOS from adding the CR/LF. You can then add the end of line character manually, like so: PRINT #1,"output string";CHR$(10); Good luck -Richard From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 16 10:42:47 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04358 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA24219 for amos-out; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24216 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.lindesign.se (root@bean.lindesign.se [194.17.145.248]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24043 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from privatehost ([195.100.97.103]) by bean.lindesign.se with esmtp (ident dtk399m using rfc1413) id m0wzir0-001msXC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:25:18 +0200 (CEST) To: "AMOS List" From: "Johannes Rydh" Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:37:49 +0100 Reply-To: "amos-list" X-Mailer: PINT v2.2ß (24.6.97) Subject: Print Message-ID: <92709629@rydh.bengtsfors.se> Status: O X-Status: I'd like to thanks everybody that helped me with this simple problem. I was to tired to think and solve it myself... But with your help I did it. I put "Set Input 10,-1" before I performed the inputs. It works GREAT! But: When I use Print # AMOS will automatic add a chr$(13) at the end of the line. I've tried to take it away and replace it with chr$(10) but I can't make it work. Are there any kind a command for this too? You all were very helpful with my last problem. Could you help a poor little programmer again? Otherwise, it works fine. Any suggestions? --- Mvh, Johannes Rydh From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 16 13:35:54 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12066 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29059 for amos-out; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29056 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2b.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.6]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA03998 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1220271; 16 Aug 97 16:24 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0014n; Sat, 16 Aug 97 16:26:44 GMT Date: Sat, 16 Aug 97 16:26:44 GMT Message-Id: <9708161626.AA0014m@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24e995c1.u8t20e.a481a-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <92709629@rydh.bengtsfors.se> (from "Johannes Rydh" ) (at Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:37:49 +0100) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Print Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Johannes, > When I use Print # AMOS will automatic add a chr$(13) at the end of the line. > I've tried to take it away and replace it with chr$(10) but I can't make it work. > Are there any kind a command for this too? > You all were very helpful with my last problem. Could you help a poor > little programmer again? I should think so.. > Otherwise, it works fine. > Any suggestions? 2 second solution: print "Whatever";chr$(10); print "Something else";chr$(10); ..easy ;-) cyagain. _ _ _ _ _ _ | "Lifeforms, you tiny little lifeforms, |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | You precious little lifeforms, |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | Where are you ???????" | - Lt. Cmdr. Data - Generations --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 16 15:02:08 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06173 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00480 for amos-out; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00477 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post8.tele.dk (post8.tele.dk [194.239.134.172]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23504 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post8.tele.dk ([194.239.180.58]) by post8.tele.dk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA26846 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:54:30 +0100 From: Jens Vang Petersen To: amos-list Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:55:47 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <92709629@rydh.bengtsfors.se> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Print MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 16-Aug-97, Johannes Rydh smashed the keyboard with: >I'd like to thanks everybody that helped me with this simple problem. I was to >tired to think and solve it myself... >But with your help I did it. I put "Set Input 10,-1" before I performed the >inputs. >It works GREAT! >But: >When I use Print # AMOS will automatic add a chr$(13) at the end of the line. >I've tried to take it away and replace it with chr$(10) but I can't make it >work. >Are there any kind a command for this too? ^sure use: Print# n,"YOUR-TEXT"+chr$(10); !!! the ; character will disable the auto CR, just like when using print to a screen >--- >Mvh, Johannes Rydh -- Happy greetings, Yours.. __________________________________________________________________________ /_ __/ __ / __ /\ ___\ __ \__ _\ aka. JENS VANG PETERSEN / / / /_/ / ____/ \ \___\ __ \ \ \ Nyvej 8, DK-4450 Jyderup, Denmark /_/ /_____/_/ \_____\_\ \_\ \_\ top_cat@post8.tele.dk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- God is real, unless declared integer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 16 16:17:49 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22683 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00533 for amos-out; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00530 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@LEARY.HURON.NET [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02716 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp15-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.64]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA11401 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:09:25 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:01:39 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <747.7164T1339T1123@lobster.demon.nl> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Credits MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 13-Aug-97, Evert-Jan Slypen wrote: >Nice credits screen/handling Giark! Er, but one or two remarks : >1. Could the textcolour of the scroll be a little lighter? Easy enough. The proc gets the colours from the second 8 of the screen. I'll up the brightness. >2. The joyfire is VERY sensitive. A bit too sensitive for my liking. You > have to press and release the firebutton very quickly or else it just > skips the text before you've even seen it and goes back to the map > screen. Also easy to fix. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 16 15:32:25 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20204 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00539 for amos-out; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00536 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@LEARY.HURON.NET [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14332 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp15-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.64]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA11414 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:09:35 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:06:14 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Sounds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 16-Aug-97, Peter Cahill wrote: >>You mean Bubba's Bubbles. Q8-{) >Im using the "Power Up","hehe" & some other sfx >Does anyone know where i can get a sound of a bubble bursting ? I think I have a pop sound somewhere. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 16 15:55:10 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21440 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00544 for amos-out; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00541 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@LEARY.HURON.NET [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14340 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp15-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.64]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA11418 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:09:40 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:07:53 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <92709629@rydh.bengtsfors.se> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Print MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 16-Aug-97, Johannes Rydh wrote: >But: >When I use Print # AMOS will automatic add a chr$(13) at the end of the line. >I've tried to take it away and replace it with chr$(10) but I can't make it >work. >Are there any kind a command for this too? Instead of Print #1, TXT$ Print #1,TXT$;Chr$(10); That will cancel any EOL printing from AMOS. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 16 15:46:26 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20962 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00549 for amos-out; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00546 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@LEARY.HURON.NET [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24895 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp15-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.64]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA11423 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:09:44 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:09:30 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33F52792.7867@ozemail.com.au> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Update please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 16-Aug-97, Andrew Hawkins wrote: >Ive been working and am a bit behind on the Cpt Bubba scene. Please >brief me on Menu & Dir etc. I don`t know what to do with all this stuff The menu archive comes in the proper directory structure. Other than that, all the info is on the web page, updated daily. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 16 21:46:02 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03176 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07961 for amos-out; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07958 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03445 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp35-ts2-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.84]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA23274 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:32:40 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:31:09 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Print MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 16-Aug-97, Jens Vang Petersen wrote: >>But with your help I did it. I put "Set Input 10,-1" before I performed the >>inputs. Be advised: This will not solve the comma problem. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 16 21:55:35 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03745 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07966 for amos-out; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07963 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09323 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp35-ts2-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.84]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA23279 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:32:46 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:32:58 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24e9d5a4.u8t20e.21ae6-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Sounds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 16-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: >..can we have some 'faster' samples, umm, I mean Bubba speaking more >quickly, rather than taking several seconds for some things. With some of >the longer ones, he sounds totally out to lunch. Cap'n Bubba IS out to lunch. Where have you been? >Also, they do sound rather scratchy still. That must be the amos player. They sound fine when I check them. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 16 23:50:31 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20461 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA08732 for amos-out; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08729 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.138]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA08329 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1429744; 17 Aug 97 3:40 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0014x; Sun, 17 Aug 97 03:41:55 GMT Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 03:41:55 GMT Message-Id: <9708170341.AA0014w@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24ea33fa.u8t20e.95c1b-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:32:58 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Sounds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id WAA08730 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Mr., > On 16-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: > >..can we have some 'faster' samples, umm, I mean Bubba speaking more > >quickly, rather than taking several seconds for some things. With some of > >the longer ones, he sounds totally out to lunch. > Cap'n Bubba IS out to lunch. Where have you been? ..I mean completely insane, rather than just slightly. Just slightly, no problems there. Completely nuts ? Not completely, please !! > >Also, they do sound rather scratchy still. > That must be the amos player. They sound fine when I check them. Sounds scratchy on whatever player. Almost definately the sample rate. _ _ _ _ _ _ | Eat when hungry |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | Drink coffee when tired |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | Sleep when nose touching keyboard. | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 16 23:42:50 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19965 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA08714 for amos-out; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08711 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-13.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.137]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA17076 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1429942; 17 Aug 97 3:42 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA00152; Sun, 17 Aug 97 03:44:26 GMT Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 03:44:26 GMT Message-Id: <9708170344.AA00151@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24ea3497.u8t20e.5189-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:32:58 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Samples. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id WAA08712 Status: O X-Status: Whats the best stereo sample direct to hard disk software available ?? Since I lost my prosound manual, I can't do any proper sampling. cyagain. _ _ _ _ _ _ | "I've got this shocking pain right |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | behind the eyes." - Vila |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | "Have you considered amputation ?" - Avon | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 17 12:25:00 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16659 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA12868 for amos-out; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12865 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22405 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp24-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.73]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA07505 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:20:53 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:21:14 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24ea33fa.u8t20e.95c1b-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Sounds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 17-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: >> >the longer ones, he sounds totally out to lunch. >> Cap'n Bubba IS out to lunch. Where have you been? >..I mean completely insane, rather than just slightly. >> >Also, they do sound rather scratchy still. >> That must be the amos player. They sound fine when I check them. >Sounds scratchy on whatever player. Almost definately the sample rate. Speech is already the biggest sample type. Putting the sample rate up would make them too big. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 18 03:51:08 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA13736 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 03:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA04284 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA04281 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (F79.hotmail.com [207.82.250.185]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA06567 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15537 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 1997 05:41:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19970818054124.15536.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 147.41.64.63 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:41:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [147.41.64.63] From: "James Brown" To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Menu Guru & THX Bug? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:41:15 PDT Status: O X-Status: Hello, Last night I downloaded the Menu program. After unpacking the archive on my A500 (Kick 1.3) and trying to run it I got a guru (No. $000000003). This, or so GOMF tells me, is an Addressing Error. Now, This is just a guess, but whenever I tryed running the THX extention on my A500 it also gurued with the same message. I believe the THX extention is used in the menu, isnt it? James Brown -- Tasmania, Australia -- amigogcc@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 18 04:11:16 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA15094 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 04:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA04293 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA04290 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (F5.hotmail.com [207.82.250.16]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA02930 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7756 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 1997 05:42:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19970818054256.7755.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 147.41.64.63 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:42:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [147.41.64.63] From: "James Brown" To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Sideshooter Bug? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:42:54 PDT Status: O X-Status: Hello, I've been running the sideshooter on my A500 with 1 Meg chip with no problems... But when I tryed running it on my other 500 with 512K chip, and a 512K fast ram card, after about 200 the screen was a mess and the game unplayable. Everything that moved across the screen left trails. I'm not sure what caused it, but the only difference between the two machines is the Ram? Anyone else have similar problems? James Brown -- Tasmania, Australia -- amigogcc@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 18 06:25:28 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA11631 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 06:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA06815 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 04:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA06812 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 04:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCSDEV.MCS.CO.UK (SYSTEM@mcsdev.mcs.co.uk [193.32.50.112]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA07080 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 04:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:52 GMT From: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk) Message-Id: <009B8F44EEA831E0.5C8C@mcs.co.uk> To: amos-list@digex.net Subject: Re: All this talk about a List Game X-VMS-To: MCSDEV::SMTP%"amos-list@digex.net" Status: O X-Status: Subj: All this talk about a List Game >With all this talk about doing a list game, has anyone figured out that >some people might be interested in doing a List Utility? >I have no idea on what kind of utility to work on, although I was thinking >(and mentioned it to petro) about working on a hip hop mod player, written >with the GUI and DOOM extension. I reckon contribution (such as mod >detection routines) would be great, if people can code Genies for example, >which do wierd things, hehe. I dunno, maybe im just babbling... This is a pretty good idea, but I think it would need to be something a bit bigger than that. More of a "list application" than a "list util"? Your idea is probably quite feasable, but I don't think there's enough scope in a mod player to involve enough people to make it into a group effort like the list game. If we're going to get enough people involved, it needs to be something a bit bigger - if only to get enough things for everyone to work on individually. May I tentatively suggest some sort of internet application? (I have a few ideas.... :-) I'd also like to say at this point that as a user, I would be unlikely to use any application or a utility that didn't run on either the Workbench screen or a proper public screen (ie screen mode configurable, etc). I know that the GUI extension can do it, so let's use it. That's my input for now.... See ya'll / |\ / \ | \ / / |_/ \_ (Simon Champion) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Time flies like an arrow -- fruit flies like a banana" From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 29 10:27:09 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24828 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA05414 for amos-out; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05406 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from audi.dglnet.com.br (root@sp.dglnet.com.br [200.246.231.48]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA02258 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:46:13 -0400 (EDT) From: tecnopro@dglnet.com.br Received: from max-pedrada (pm2p17.sp.dglnet.com.br [200.246.57.146]) by audi.dglnet.com.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12186 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:47:05 -0300 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970829094450.006aac6c@dglnet.com.br> X-Sender: tecnopro@dglnet.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 Demo (32) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:44:54 -0300 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Buttons! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-Status: Hello Listers Like we said... >> I don't knwo about all the buttons, but Turrican used to use the B >> and C buttons on my Sega pad just fine. > >Yes. The B button works as the normal amiga fire button. >The C button works as a second amiga fire button as on amiga joysticks with 2 buttons. >The others, I believe, cannot be accessed without a bit of rewiring. Turrican used the 'A' button without any rewiring, it just did not use the 'START' button, a long time after this, I bought Hired Guns and them rewired my joys so I could use the 'START' too. So, now my joy does not work with Turrican anymore, just the regular 'B' and 'C'. From Erico Monteiro From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 29 13:13:38 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15808 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13531 for amos-out; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13528 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from audi.dglnet.com.br (root@sp.dglnet.com.br [200.246.231.48]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA21257 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:58:29 -0400 (EDT) From: tecnopro@dglnet.com.br Received: from max-pedrada (pm2p27.sp.dglnet.com.br [200.246.57.156]) by audi.dglnet.com.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA17074 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:59:14 -0300 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970829105654.00689790@dglnet.com.br> X-Sender: tecnopro@dglnet.com.br (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 Demo (32) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:57:08 -0300 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Date system!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: Hi listers! Sorry I could not help bugging you people with such an idiot subject, but reading the date-conflict has called my attention and we had a discussion here about what method would really be the moust usefull, that is without counting culture and society as each country the date system adapts to this two guys. So we first thought of the american way, where mouth comes first, I mean, if you wanna be quick on something, like, everybody knows what month we are(except me), so on the american way, you would have to state the month as it comes first. The jap way, you would skip the year as everybody knows that too(I'm talking informal writing) and you would fall back to the american style, the British way would look easyer as day comes first, like I tell you be here by 31st, you already know when I'm talking about. Oh, by the way, the Brazilian method is the same as british but I'm not been nationalistic here as each method works best on each country. The only real thing I found anoying in the US was the metric system, but it is just because I'm used to another it ends up being my own problem on being lazy to relearn something so basic. But British people, see the good part of it, if you were born on the 1/12/XX (british date), you can be missundersoot by 12/1/XX on the US thus giving you the ability to buy alcohool almost an year earlier.Thanks god we don't have this stuff around here. People don't be pissed off about this , its all a joke and I couldn't help droping a line. See ya! from Erico Monteiro, born on the 1/13/2/76/5 From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 29 18:11:32 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15314 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02570 for amos-out; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02563 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgi.inet.tele.dk (cgi.inet.tele.dk [194.182.149.95]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA21339 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57940 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1997 19:09:08 -0000 Received: from post8.tele.dk (194.239.134.172) by cgi.inet.tele.dk with SMTP; 29 Aug 1997 19:09:08 -0000 Received: from post8.tele.dk ([194.239.180.51]) by post8.tele.dk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA30674; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:08:30 +0100 From: Jens Vang Petersen To: Mush CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:09:26 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: AB3DII-Editor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 29-Aug-97, Mush smashed the keyboard with: >Id like a copy of it for the PD Library, if thats OK with you. ^Sure thing, but you'll proberly have to wait until october, as I've got quite a long list of changes to be made.. :-) NOTE: IS there realy noone on the list who have tried to make their own levels in AlienBreed 3DII, and thereby finding errors in the editor.. Come on I've only got 1 response for beta-testing, and none at all with bugs... -- Happy greetings, Yours.. __________________________________________________________________________ /_ __/ __ / __ /\ ___\ __ \__ _\ aka. JENS VANG PETERSEN / / / /_/ / ____/ \ \___\ __ \ \ \ Nyvej 8, DK-4450 Jyderup, Denmark /_/ /_____/_/ \_____\_\ \_\ \_\ top_cat@post8.tele.dk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- fortune: No such file or directory -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 30 15:15:48 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13831 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01946 for amos-out; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01943 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.inet.tele.dk (relay2.inet.tele.dk [194.182.149.120]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA07602 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11412 invoked from network); 30 Aug 1997 18:51:01 -0000 Received: from post8.tele.dk (194.239.134.172) by relay2.inet.tele.dk with SMTP; 30 Aug 1997 18:51:01 -0000 Received: from post8.tele.dk ([194.239.180.55]) by post8.tele.dk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA38508 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 18:50:37 +0100 From: Jens Vang Petersen To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:25:46 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Errors for Mr. Giark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: This is realy a message for Mr. Giark, but I could not da E-mail add. anywhere, anyway it might be usefull for others too.. About Error-routines.. I responded to a question from Mr. Giark about problems with the error-checking functions, but since it was a long time since I'd last used 'em, then I realy screwed up. Then I made a new response, that was not quite right either, so as I am rewriting the AB3DII-Editor, I got in need of an error-checker I found a working procedure, that I'll share with you.. I had a bunch of procedures which i needed seperate error-catches for, so I made the folowing up: Procedure _SAVE On Error Goto S_ERR (Enabels the errorcatch) blah.. blah.. blah.. S_END: On Error (Disabels the errorcatch) 'Clean up after the procedure' Pop Proc S_ERR _SHOW_ERROR[Err$(Errn)] Resume S_END End Proc This way the error-catcher is only active in the one procedure, this opens for a nicer way of handeling errors, as the procedure function is simply canceled in case of an error, also a more acurate description for the user is posible, as it's clear where the error was.. Alternatives: Using 'Resume' would make a retry at the command causing the error (nice for disc-errors) Using 'Resume Next' would jump to the command after the one that caused the error.. Notes: NOT all errors can be caught, error-codes 1->10 is so severe that they'll allways stop the program with an error-message (Most of them are in fact error-handeling-errors :-) To test your error-routine simply put 'Error nr' and replace 'nr' with a number higher than 10 to provoke an error in your program... 'Trap' outrankes the 'On Error' meaning if you use trap at a single command and it fails, then your error-catcher won't be activated If you want the SAME error-routine for your entire program then something like this would be a nice way: On Error Proc _ERROR_CATCH blah.. blah.. blah.. On Error End Procedure _ERROR_CATCH (Somehow shows the error) If RETRY : Resume Else : Resume Next Endif Pop Proc Hope it helps, else write me back and tell more about your problem, and what you want to do... -- Happy greetings, Yours.. __________________________________________________________________________ /_ __/ __ / __ /\ ___\ __ \__ _\ aka. JENS VANG PETERSEN / / / /_/ / ____/ \ \___\ __ \ \ \ Nyvej 8, DK-4450 Jyderup, Denmark /_/ /_____/_/ \_____\_\ \_\ \_\ top_cat@post8.tele.dk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- God is real, unless declared integer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 30 14:47:31 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11281 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01951 for amos-out; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01948 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.inet.tele.dk (relay2.inet.tele.dk [194.182.149.120]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA06155 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37274 invoked from network); 30 Aug 1997 18:51:04 -0000 Received: from post8.tele.dk (194.239.134.172) by relay2.inet.tele.dk with SMTP; 30 Aug 1997 18:51:04 -0000 Received: from post8.tele.dk ([194.239.180.55]) by post8.tele.dk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAB38508 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 18:50:42 +0100 From: Jens Vang Petersen To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:49:11 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: NTSC Help !!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Right, As I'm trying to rewrite the AB3DII Editor for errors I thought about adding NTSC support, but as I don't have much information I'd like to know from all of you NTSC's outthere: When you are using 'Screen Display' what values do you normaly put for the Y-offset, PAL uses something like 40->48, but what about NTSC ?? When using 'overscan' screens I use heights of 272 on PAL, what do you NTSC guys use as MAX height of your screens ??? 'Normal' Screens on PAL are about 256 heigh, what are they on NTSC ?? I know that the AMOS-Pro manual states the YSIZE as 200 and YPOS as 55 on NTSC systems, but does that fit with reality ?? -- Happy greetings, Yours.. __________________________________________________________________________ /_ __/ __ / __ /\ ___\ __ \__ _\ aka. JENS VANG PETERSEN / / / /_/ / ____/ \ \___\ __ \ \ \ Nyvej 8, DK-4450 Jyderup, Denmark /_/ /_____/_/ \_____\_\ \_\ \_\ top_cat@post8.tele.dk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- God is real, unless declared integer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 30 11:50:02 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03522 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28932 for amos-out; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28929 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09954 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp3-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.52]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19356 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:05:53 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:05:55 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: The Wall MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Seems that we've hit the wall. All work seems to have halted on CB. I used to get one or two updates or new files each week. Now I get nothing. Promised levels from several people have failed to appear. The side shooter stage is on hold due to circumstances beyond our control, but what about the rest of you? EJ - tunes? Anthony - More pics? Anyone? Anything? Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 30 17:38:57 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29605 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA03445 for amos-out; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03442 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com (emout16.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.42]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26957 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:01:04 -0400 (EDT) From: WireWalkr@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA28024 for amos-list@access.digex.net; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970830170029_-1502380515@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: NTSC Help !!! Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 97-08-30 14:28:37 EDT, you write: << Right, As I'm trying to rewrite the AB3DII Editor for errors I thought about adding NTSC support, but as I don't have much information I'd like to know from all of you NTSC's outthere: When you are using 'Screen Display' what values do you normaly put for the Y-offset, PAL uses something like 40->48, but what about NTSC ?? When using 'overscan' screens I use heights of 272 on PAL, what do you NTSC guys use as MAX height of your screens ??? 'Normal' Screens on PAL are about 256 heigh, what are they on NTSC ?? I know that the AMOS-Pro manual states the YSIZE as 200 and YPOS as 55 on NTSC systems, but does that fit with reality ?? >> Ntsc:Low Res 320X200 Full Page 320X340 Overscan 362X241 Ntsc:Low Res Laced 320X400 Full Page 320X680 Overscan 362X482 Ntsc:High Res 640X200 Full Page 640X340 Overscan 724X241 Ntsc:High Res Laced 640X400 Full Page 640X680 Overscan 724X482 Hope this helps and us Ntsc owners will be mighty grateful as most of the stuff is PAL and not alot of folks are supporting that right now :-( From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 30 16:45:09 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25747 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 16:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02764 for amos-out; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02761 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout00.btx.dtag.de (mailout00.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.148]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16086 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwd08.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.168]) by mailout00.btx.dtag.de with smtp (S3.1.29.1) id ; Sat, 30 Aug 97 21:41 MET DST Received: (03831497230-0001(btxid)@[193.159.20.131]) by fwd08.btx.dtag.de with (S3.1.29.1) id ; Sat, 30 Aug 97 21:41 MET DST Message-Id: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 97 21:41 MET DST To: deven@T-Online.de Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net References: Subject: Re: Volume.. (fwd) X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Sender: 03831497230-0001@t-online.de (Daniel Panzer) From: Deven@T-Online.de (Deven) Status: O X-Status: Mush schrieb: > The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Keith Hill, who did > thus comment on Volume.. on the night of 18-Aug-97: > > Question 1: > > Can you change the volume of samples played back in amos ?? > > > Question 2: > > How do you change the volume of samples played back in amos ?? > > Doesnt MVolume do this? I think Mvolume and Volume use the same thing, but > not sure. > > Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett > -- > Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* > > World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk > > Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at > mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org > From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 30 23:17:11 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19247 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 23:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA09012 for amos-out; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09009 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17452 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18709 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1997 01:56:06 -0000 Received: from lp7-12.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.86.76) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 31 Aug 1997 01:56:06 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: "Mr. Giark To You" CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:58:15 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: The Wall MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Mr. Giark To You, who did thus comment on The Wall on the night of 30-Aug-97: > Seems that we've hit the wall. All work seems to have halted on CB. I used to > get one or two updates or new files each week. Now I get nothing. Promised > levels from several people have failed to appear. The side shooter stage is on > hold due to circumstances beyond our control, but what about the rest of you? I'll get to work on the fancy high-score routine, ive been working on a morphing sequence, developed from an original idea from the spectrum. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 31 12:41:27 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26701 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 12:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15122 for amos-out; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15119 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05786 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp26-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.75]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19827 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:09:21 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:04:11 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: NTSC Help !!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 30-Aug-97, Jens Vang Petersen wrote: >When you are using 'Screen Display' what values do you normaly put for the >Y-offset, PAL uses something like 40->48, but what about NTSC ?? 26 >When using 'overscan' screens I use heights of 272 on PAL, what do you NTSC >guys use as MAX height of your screens ??? 234 is the maxiumum amos will let us do. I can get 241 on workbench, but amos limits me to 234. >'Normal' Screens on PAL are about 256 heigh, what are they on NTSC ?? 200 is `normal', but who uses that? >I know that the AMOS-Pro manual states the YSIZE as 200 and YPOS as 55 on NTSC >systems, but does that fit with reality ?? Like I said, 234 lines is the maximum I can get amos to display. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! 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FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 31 17:20:08 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10502 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 17:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20721 for amos-out; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20698 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1b.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.135]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA02299 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agasinc.demon.co.uk ([193.237.4.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124430; 31 Aug 97 20:16 BST From: Andy Gibson To: Amos List Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:16:43 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: AGAS Productions Subject: List Game Help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="BOUNDARY.7182.2187.4666824.1" Status: O X-Status: Warning: This is a message in MIME format. Your mail reader does not support MIME. Some parts of this message will be readable as plain text. To see the rest, you will need to upgrade your mail reader. This message was composed on an Amiga using the YAM mailer. YAM is available at http://bitcom.ch/~mbeck/ --BOUNDARY.7182.2187.4666824.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there guyz! This is my first message to the LIST, so please be kind :^) Andy Gibson here with some great news 4 U (maybe)... Just thought I'd wish you all luck with your Amos List Game. However, I was surprised to hear that the game was to use No Extension commands in it!!! Outragous, especially when you think of the crappy Amos music player routines :( So I've decided to try and help out. I've written a neat bit of code called The Amos Pro PTReplay Routine. You will see just how easy it is to use in your Amos List Game too. So what is it? Well, basically you can play protracker modules via direct calls to the great ptreplay.library. This library creates the play routines for you, so no more crap Amos playing of mods. It's great and I've managed to get some great mods to play easily with this routine. You can even fade mods out (slide volume) - which is more than I've seen from Amos or indeed CRAFT!!! It was first written by myself for the guyz at AREA 51 for their music compilation. Our composer, Converse, was complaining about how we could never play his latest mods due to Amos being so crap. So I decided that something had to be done. Either fork out for a new music extension (I have CRAFT which was fine, but still dated) or else write my own routine! Which I did. I can't take credit for the ptreplay.library though. Sorry, but I can't remember who is!!! (It should be on Aminet though) Anyway, this text is becoming boring. Please feel free to spread/use my routines, but PLEASE do give me a credit. Just stick `Thanx to Andy Gibson for his music player routines' or summit if you would be so kind. Feel free to contact me anytime: andy@agasinc.demon.co.uk P.S. Hi to all past Amoszine contributors reading. Sorry I had to give it= up guyz! If I get enough response, we could do another issue if ya want?= See ya all soon guyz and may the source be with you - ALWAYS And thanx to Chris Evans for posting my message about the takeover of F1 Software by Phil at 5D. (I'm still in cotact with Steve Bye if anyone wants to send him a greeting!?! I'll pass your messages on....) -- = _ _ _ _ CU next time, same bat 9T7 _)\ ____)\ _)\ _____)\ time, same bat channel /o=B0 \ /o=B0____) /o=B0 \ /o=B0_____) .=A6. // \ // / __ // \\\ \____ .=A6. = -*- /. O \ /. /___\ \ /. O \\____ \ -*- = =B7=A6=B7 / _ \/ Y Y \/ _ \ ___\\ \ =B7=A6=B7 = \ __/ \___/\_________ /\___/ \ __//______/ Y Y Y Y L8R : : =B0 =B7 . 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31 Aug 1997 16:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agasinc.demon.co.uk ([193.237.4.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1124430; 31 Aug 97 20:16 BST From: Andy Gibson To: Amos List Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:18:56 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: AGAS Productions Subject: Some handy Hints MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id QAA22091 Status: O X-Status: Hi there guys (AGAIN!) Andy Gibson here with some tips for ya all... 1: ~~ Have you ever had this message when trying to compile an Amos prog via the Pro Compiler ... `Not an Amos Program'??? It's the silliest message in the world if you ask me! Anyway, I've had this on a number of occasions and eventually found a solution to it. My program had a sprite bank, an iff bank and two (or more) data banks filled with plain ascii text. (these cozed the probs). If I removed just one of the data banks, it compiled fine, but not with two or more! What I found was that if I loaded in the Sprites, then the piccy followed by the two banks (in that order), it would compile fine. But not if I loaded a text bank again (after editing etc)! It had to all be done in one go! With the sprites first, followed by the iff bank and then all the text banks. In other words, load all the banks in, then compile straight away. Strange - but I hope this helps some of you out. 2: ~~ When creating a program with an Icon Bank, if compiled via the Pro compiler, the exe file won't run on an A500/A600!!! It will run fine on an A1200 though! The way round this is to either save your icon bank to disk and just load it from there (thus removing it from bank 2 before compiling) or save out each icon to an iff file and store that as an iff bank (which can be compiled in your code :) and just grab the icons as you need them - maybe as the first port of call in your listing etc. I heard the old classic compiler doesn't have this problem and if you compile with an icon bank using an A500 with the Pro Compiler - all should be fine too! (Don't quote me on this though) 3: ~~ When using the HUNT command (in a loop) it keeps on searching for your search string, but won't stop at the first occurence! It continues on searching to the end of the file! This is bad news for a search routine as you can imagine. eg. You have a list of cheats in a text file and at the end of each cheat you have a `*' to mark that it's the end of this cheat.... eg (crude example) CHEAT1: blah blah blah * CHEAT2: doh doh doh doh!!! * CHEAT3: wibble wibble wibble etc * To get this text into a bank.... F$="HD1:Cheat.txt" Open 1,F$ P=Lof(1) Close 1 Reserve As Work 10,P Bload F$,Start(10) Now I'll show you the usual way to HUNT, but this will stop at the LAST `*' found - not the first :( BNK=Start(10) POS=Start(BNK) S$="*" Do Exit If POS>Bank End(BNK) H=Hunt(POS to Bank End(BNK),S$) Exit If H=0 or H=Bank End(BNK) POS=H+1 Loop (BTW I can't remember which extension uses the `Bank End' command, but you could just use something like: _LAST=Start(BNK) to Start(BNK)+Length(BNK) Just replace all the `Bank End(BNK)' with `_LAST' instead then :) OK, as you can see, the Hunt command stops at the last `*' found in the file, so why not try the great LDOS command...Lset Eoln (num) This way, we can change the end of line (usually chr$(10)) to something more useful such as the `*' char maybe - which is Chr$(42). So this would be.. ' Value to search for is Chr$(42) which = `*' Lset Eoln 42 So now we can find this and stop at the FIRST occurrence, we need to copy the string to a new string (or even another bank). B$=Lstr(POS to bank End(BNK)) : Rem hold it in a new string (LDOS) ' ' Copy to a bank, but only if need be... L=Len(B$) Reserve As Work 20,L Lbstr B$,Start(20) : Rem Another great LDOS Command :) In that example, B$ would hold the following: CHEAT1: blah blah blah (unlike the Hunt command version which would hold all the cheats!!!) And there you have it. Just update POS to search for further `*' in your text. It's easy to do. LDOS has many other great functions, so use it!!! OK. I'll leave it there for now, but I shall be back to torture you all with more top tips later (maybe). -- _ _ _ _ CU next time, same bat 9T7 _)\ ____)\ _)\ _____)\ time, same bat channel /o° \ /o°____) /o° \ /o°_____) .Ķ. // \ // / __ // \\\ \____ .Ķ. -*- /. O \ /. /___\ \ /. O \\____ \ -*- ·Ķ· / _ \/ Y Y \/ _ \ ___\\ \ ·Ķ· \ __/ \___/\_________ /\___/ \ __//______/ Y Y Y Y L8R : : ° · . Andy Gibson (AGAS Productons)° · -=<(aka SKiDZ/A51)>=- : From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 31 15:45:56 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03465 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17343 for amos-out; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17340 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mago.agonet.it (mago.agonet.it [195.32.124.10]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27207 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agonet.it (ghizzo@p126070.agonet.it [195.32.126.70]) by mago.agonet.it (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA25956; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 20:26:56 +0200 From: Pietro Ghizzoni Reply-To: ghizzo@agonet.it To: Mush , John Bintz CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 20:17:07 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Dairymen Soft Subject: Re: Miami and Amos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 26-Ago-97, Mush wrote: Re: Miami and Amos >Your best way to maybe go around it to begin with, is to look into using >library calls and the Amarquee library, as bdsocket isnt a physical socket, >so normal library calls are a bit useless. >Petro's GUI Extension V1.62 uses TCP commands in the form of: >AMINET=Tcp Open(1,"ftp.wustl.edu/80") : DEST=Tcp F Open(2,"Ram:Recent.html") >and then If Aminet..... But until we get documentation of them, then Im >not sure wether it uses TCP: or BDSocket.Library Actually the GUI Extension uses TCP:. Anyway (..on my system) my extension works fine with synchronus and aynchronus(!) access to the device. >Please let me know how you get on, as im using the TCP: at the moment. When the new Amiga-like API for Miami will be ready, i'll rewrite the commands with direct access to the bsdsocket.library -- Bye! !!! o o +-----------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo----------------------------+ | | | Pietro Ghizzoni - Dairymen Soft __ /// Amiga 12OO | | E-Mail: ghizzo@agonet.it \\\/// 'O3O 5OMhz | | Team AMIGA \/// 1OMB - CD4x | | | | Amos Professional Team Coordinator AMIGA RULEZ!! | | | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 1 16:38:17 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27313 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 16:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23213 for amos-out; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 14:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23210 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 14:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tycho.global.net.uk (tycho.global.net.uk [194.126.82.5]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24353 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 14:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (client83a9.globalnet.co.uk [194.126.83.169]) by tycho.global.net.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA13346 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 19:40:19 +0100 Message-ID: Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "AMOS List" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Roger Clark" Subject: AMOS 3D - OM Date: Sun, 31 Aug 97 13:57:46 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Hello, Has anyone got a copy of the AMOS 3D Object Modeler,OM. If so could you please mail me it at the below address? Thank you. Peter Clark |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | |PPPP |EEEEE |TTTTT |EEEEE |RRRR Name : Peter Clark | | |P |P |E |T |E |R |R E-Mail : clarkr@globalnet.co.uk | | |PPPP |EEE |T |EEE |RRRR | | |P |E |T |E |R |R | | |P |EEEEE |T |EEEEE |R |R Magic Lamp Software 1997 | |______________________________________________________________________| From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 18 10:28:56 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02867 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA07549 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 07:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access1.digex.net (qlUkZ3NHpJvic@access1.digex.net [205.197.245.192]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07546 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 07:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mcox@localhost) by access1.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id HAA21485 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 07:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33F7C74B.7C06@together.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:53:47 -0700 From: Scott Douglas Reply-To: sdouglas@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications Subject: AMOS/AMOS pro for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-49-max-btvt-04.ramp.together.net Organization: Together Networks - Burlington, VT. Lines: 7 Path: news2.digex.net!news1.digex.net!sybil.vger.com!trader.ipf.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.97.120.24!news.together.net!dial-49-max-btvt-04.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.digex.net comp.sys.amiga.applications:68431 ReSent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 07:08:28 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-From: AoD ReSent-To: AMOS Mailing List ReSent-Message-ID: Status: O X-Status: Amos 1.3 and Amos pro for sale. Make an offer. P.S. Got an A500/1MB/Flicker Fixer/TV adapter/Mouse/Joy Floppy broke for sale. Make an offer From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 01:16:42 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA22446 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA21649 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21642 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.138]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA20836 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1125647; 22 Aug 97 1:12 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0017s; Fri, 22 Aug 97 01:11:01 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 01:11:01 GMT Message-Id: <9708220111.AA0017n@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24f0a822.u8t20e.414ac-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from Eric Hyland ) (at Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:40:51 -0400 (EDT)) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: a007193t@bc.seflin.org Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Updates needed (Date ?) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id OAA21645 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Eric, > > Actually, the most logical system for dates is the japenese yy/mm/dd which > > makes much more sense using standard numbers. The British system of > > dd/mm/yy also makes a lot of sense. As for mm/dd/yy, well. What were they > > thinking ? > To answer your question they were thinking August 25, 1997 which I think > looks a lot better then 25, August 1997. Well, it would, but then again, we don't use that. We use 25th August, 1997, which looks a lot better than August 25th, 1997. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | Live Long and Prosper. |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 02:32:38 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA03712 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02457 for amos-out; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02454 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.138]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA07438 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105649; 19 Aug 97 15:22 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA00170; Tue, 19 Aug 97 15:23:00 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 15:23:00 GMT Message-Id: <9708191523.AA0016z@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24ed7b50.u8t20e.9f978-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from Eric Hyland ) (at Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:51:25 -0400 (EDT)) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: a007193t@bc.seflin.org Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Updates needed (Date ?) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id KAA02455 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Eric, > On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Keith Hill wrote: > > > Ok, as previously announced, the new Castle Assault will be sent to Giark on > > 25/8/97, exactly one month after the old one.. I hope you'll like the > Is this the euro standard date system dy/mo/yr 25/08/97 ? I live in England, so I'm using the British standard for dates. > It should be mo/dy/yr 08/25/97. Ok, I can release it in 17 months time if you like.. Actually, the most logical system for dates is the japenese yy/mm/dd which makes much more sense using standard numbers. The British system of dd/mm/yy also makes a lot of sense. As for mm/dd/yy, well. What were they thinking ? _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "Slide show boring - losing conciousness" |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | - The Tick | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 23:53:24 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20385 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA17481 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17478 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.9]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA22716 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0523163; 24 Aug 97 1:57 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0018l; Sat, 23 Aug 97 18:53:33 GMT Date: Sat, 23 Aug 97 18:53:33 GMT Message-Id: <9708231853.AA0018g@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24f2f2aa.u8t20e.eda47-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from Eric Hyland ) (at Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:43:07 -0400 (EDT)) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: a007193t@bc.seflin.org Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Updates needed (Date ?) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id VAA17479 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Eric, > On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Keith Hill wrote: > > To the one known as Eric, > > > > Actually, the most logical system for dates is the japenese yy/mm/dd which > > > > makes much more sense using standard numbers. The British system of > > > > dd/mm/yy also makes a lot of sense. As for mm/dd/yy, well. What were they > > > > thinking ? > > > To answer your question they were thinking August 25, 1997 which I think > > > looks a lot better then 25, August 1997. > > Well, it would, but then again, we don't use that. We use 25th August, 1997, > > which looks a lot better than August 25th, 1997. > The th is implied, and should not be typed, and I still disagree, but style > shouldn't be the issue it should be clarity, and to that extent I'd suggest > using a UK after the date especially if both day, and date are 12 or under. The 'th' should be typed, as stated in numerous style guides, but then again, I agree it shouldn't be an issue, so I would vote for an 'US' if day & date are 12 or under. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "You can't mesmorize me, I'm British !" |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | - Peter Cushing, At The Earth's Core. | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 01:23:13 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA23187 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18083 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18063 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA14405 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2159 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1997 12:32:55 -0000 Received: from lp3-7.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.86.199) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 21 Aug 1997 12:32:55 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Michel Broadhead CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 08:02:16 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33F744A2.3C28@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: How do I get my amiga on-line MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Michel Broadhead, who did thus comment on How do I get my amiga on-line on the night of 17-Aug-97: > I am on-line with a Mac but I have a Amiga 1200 and I have never be able > to get on-line. You are on-line with an Amiga, how do you do it? I even > bought a program called Termite for connecting to the internet but it > never worked and my provider has no idea what an Amiga even is. > Please help or show me where I can get help. I would suggest that you get a copy of Miami, as all you have to do, is enter your username, password, and a phone number. No complictaed messing about like Amitcp. I havent tried Termite TCP, so couldnt comment. You would need MUI installed to run most Amiga net applications, including Miami. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 18 17:58:39 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22510 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17803 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17800 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07098 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp37-ts2-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.86]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16619 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:06:10 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:06:07 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Updates needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: If you've been to the web page recently, you are probably quite annoyed. The Beta files have not been updated in some time. This is a bad thing. I would like all level creators to archive up the latest versions NOW! -- Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 18 19:41:04 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21333 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18279 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18276 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27075 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp37-ts2-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.86]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16815 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:13:17 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:02:16 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19970818054124.15536.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Menu Guru & THX Bug? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 17-Aug-97, James Brown wrote: > Hello, >Last night I downloaded the Menu program. After unpacking >the archive on my A500 (Kick 1.3) and trying to run it >I got a guru (No. $000000003). Not a thx problem (and the menu doesn't use it). I'm thinking that it's a problem with your 1.3 ROM. If I had a spare 2.0 rom, I'd offer it to you, but I don't anymore. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 18 19:45:47 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00590 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18288 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18283 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04505 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp37-ts2-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.86]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16825 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:13:21 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:13:23 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Updates needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: If you've been to the web page recently, you are probably quite annoyed. The Beta files have not been updated in some time. This is a bad thing. I would like all level creators to archive up the latest versions NOW, especially Adam `Tomorrow For Sure' Parrott. Screen shots, partial demos, whatever. I've seen lots of messages about the advances you all have made, now let me see some results. Menu - last update 13/08/97 Intro - nothing! Space Attack - last update 29/07/97 Castle Assault - last update 25/07/97 Gates Of Doom - last update 18/07/97 Dungeon Of Doom - Nothing! Bubba's Bubbles - 04/08/97 Also, anyone looked at the IAPA file yet? Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 18 19:55:06 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01824 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21600 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21597 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cicero.cybercity.dk (cicero.cybercity.dk [195.8.128.13]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13236 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.cybercity.dk (usr01.cybercity.dk [195.8.128.201]) by cicero.cybercity.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA08198 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:56:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vip.cybercity.dk (ccc21504@msx-05-1-10.1033.cybercity.dk [195.8.138.139]) by vip.cybercity.dk (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA13885 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:48:12 +0200 (CEST) From: "Rune J. Keller" To: AMOS List Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:48:11 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: C&C Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Due to quite a lot of responses I have decided to carry on with the C&C list game project. Let me remind you that nothing has been decided at this stage! We are just looking for ideas on what the game should be like. Fantasy/SciFi style, multiplayer support, I-Net support and so on. A few of my ideas are available at the web-page. Please send me yours! What should the game be like? One graphician are currently working (Martin Karlsson) and more are needed. We need sfx, music and levels. Please tell me what you can contribute with. We need everything! If you have not got access to the web-page yet and want to; please reply on this message. -- rune j. keller - sporuplundsvej 105 - dk-8472 sporup - keller@vip.cybercity.dk - what do you want for you? just for you? - i want to be a good person... From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 18 19:59:29 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02721 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28509 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28502 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26436 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p26-partridge-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.71.146]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA21614 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:34:03 +0100 Message-ID: <33F8E6A2.5B10@virgin.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:19:46 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMOS List Subject: Chip Mem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Now after my little bullfrog question that got a fair few responses... basically use ASM or quarter the number of little men, but anyway I have another question. How do games like Turrican get the amount of GFX, sound and music into chip ram? This sort of thing ran on half meg chip ram and used loads of graphics and sounds. Now, can they store it in fast ram? Otherwise, how the hell do they do it? I often manage to use 2 meg chip ram very easily but would still appear to have less amount of graphics than games like turrican. I know you can compress them but surely that would give a significant speed loss which wouldn't be a lot of good. -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 18 20:02:35 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09242 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02680 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02676 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-13.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.137]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA12660 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1028188; 18 Aug 97 19:56 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0015w; Mon, 18 Aug 97 19:50:40 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Aug 97 19:50:40 GMT Message-Id: <9708181950.AA0015v@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24ec688d.u8t20e.d775f-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19970818054256.7755.qmail@hotmail.com> (from "James Brown" ) (at Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:42:54 PDT) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Sideshooter Bug? Status: O X-Status: To the one known as James, > I've been running the sideshooter on my A500 with > 1 Meg chip with no problems... But when I tryed running > it on my other 500 with 512K chip, and a 512K fast ram > card, after about 200 the screen was a mess and the game > unplayable. Everything that moved across the screen left > trails. I'm not sure what caused it, but the only difference > between the two machines is the Ram? Anyone else have similar > problems? Not sure how I could test the memory problem, but have you got the chipmem hardware hack ? I can dig it up for you (if I can find it) if you havn't. Takes two minutes with a screwdriver. ..oh yeah, no probs with the demo, but if the machine is low on chipmem, it'd be more likely to bomb out than do wierd trails. Then again, it might. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "Who is number one ?" - Number 6 |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 18 22:23:23 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA13734 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA11376 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11373 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2b.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.6]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA27579 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0518309; 19 Aug 97 0:01 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA00161; Tue, 19 Aug 97 00:03:56 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 00:03:56 GMT Message-Id: <9708190003.AA00160@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24eca3e9.u8t20e.5dad4-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:06:07 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Updates needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id TAA11374 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Mr., > If you've been to the web page recently, you are probably quite annoyed. The > Beta files have not been updated in some time. This is a bad thing. It is ? Oh, alright then. > I would like all level creators to archive up the latest versions NOW! Hmm. Alright, but I don't think now is a good time. I'll have it out by the end of the week. You should already have a screenshot from last week to keep everyone happy till then. _ _ _ _ _ _ | "They say the user lives outside the |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | net, and inputs games for pleasure. |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | No-one knows for sure, but I intend | to find out. Reboot !" --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 18 22:49:45 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12042 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA15572 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15569 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.138]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA11154 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119416; 19 Aug 97 2:42 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0016l; Tue, 19 Aug 97 02:43:10 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 02:43:10 GMT Message-Id: <9708190243.AA0016k@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24ecc93a.u8t20e.c2690-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <33F8E6A2.5B10@virgin.net> (from --==Murray==-- ) (at Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:19:46 -0700) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Volume.. Status: O X-Status: Question 1: Can you change the volume of samples played back in amos ?? Question 2: How do you change the volume of samples played back in amos ?? cyagain. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | CAUTION ! Do NOT look into laser with |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | remaining eye. | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 18 23:15:16 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29399 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA14842 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14839 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.9]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA25880 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0520983; 19 Aug 97 0:11 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0016b; Tue, 19 Aug 97 00:13:59 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 00:13:59 GMT Message-Id: <9708190013.AA0016a@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24eca644.u8t20e.c6498-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:13:23 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Updates needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id UAA14840 Status: O X-Status: Ok, as previously announced, the new Castle Assault will be sent to Giark on 25/8/97, exactly one month after the old one.. I hope you'll like the result. New sounds, new gfx, new flightpaths, new colours, new controller, same old programmer, same old gameplay, same old demo level, new Bubba, new explosions, new backgrounds, new background effects, in fact, it's completely new and improved. ..just keep those reminders coming.. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | New personal homepage available now |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | on my website. | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 18 23:33:17 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19619 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA11679 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11676 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.9]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04742 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0519753; 19 Aug 97 0:06 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA00166; Tue, 19 Aug 97 00:09:15 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 00:09:15 GMT Message-Id: <9708190009.AA00165@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24eca529.u8t20e.3ece5-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:13:23 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Updates needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id TAA11677 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Mr., > If you've been to the web page recently, you are probably quite annoyed. The > Beta files have not been updated in some time. This is a bad thing. (didn't I just reply to this one ?) > I would like all level creators to archive up the latest versions NOW, > especially Adam `Tomorrow For Sure' Parrott. Screen shots, partial demos, > whatever. I've seen lots of messages about the advances you all have made, now > let me see some results. > Menu - last update 13/08/97 Well, we know who to blame for that one ;-) > Intro - nothing! Gadzooks ! Anyone ?? I can get some actual artwork done by one of my people 'soon' but anims, no. > Castle Assault - last update 25/07/97 Expect it on: 25/8/97.. > Also, anyone looked at the IAPA file yet? Yup. Cute. Goes too quick though. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | Quoth the raven, "Eat my shorts." |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | - Edger Allen Poe/Bart Simpson | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 18 23:53:48 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19017 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA14073 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14070 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1c.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.136]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00439 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1322656; 19 Aug 97 0:41 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0016g; Tue, 19 Aug 97 00:44:01 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 00:44:01 GMT Message-Id: <9708190044.AA0016f@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24ecad4a.u8t20e.2498e-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <33F8E6A2.5B10@virgin.net> (from --==Murray==-- ) (at Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:19:46 -0700) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Chip Mem Status: O X-Status: To the one known as --==Murray==--, > How do games like Turrican get the amount of GFX, sound and music into chip ram? Um, they load it ;-) > This sort of thing ran on half meg chip ram and used loads of graphics and sounds. > Now, can they store it in fast ram? > Otherwise, how the hell do they do it? Oh, that ! Right. Turrican actually used (if memory serves) small amounts of graphics that looked like loads. Smaller samples, smaller graphics, and probably relied on image maps quite heavily, coupled with a bit of efficiant programming.. > I often manage to use 2 meg chip ram very easily but would still appear to have less amount of > graphics than games like turrican. Yeah, but how many colours you using ? What sample rates ? Full screen games were written on 8 bit computers in less than 16k, but you'd look at them today, and think, hmmm. > I know you can compress them but surely that would give a significant speed > loss which wouldn't be a lot of good. You'll find them compressed on disk or solid state storage device mainly, but a lot of it comes down to efficiant programming technique. Today, if you use low colour, low quality sound, it'll stand out a mile. It'll stand out a mile if its not on CD even. Look at the game again, you'll spot the cracks.. Then again, they are great games, so what's it matter. Use the extra mem & processor speed, we are programming here for the future, not the past ! _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "Mmmmmmmm, Soylent Green" |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | - Future Homer Simpson | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 19 01:50:18 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA12237 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA16378 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA16375 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.9]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11443 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1507568; 19 Aug 97 3:41 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0016v; Tue, 19 Aug 97 03:42:48 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 03:42:48 GMT Message-Id: <9708190342.AA0016u@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24ecd735.u8t20e.528d1-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Shields. Status: O X-Status: Mr Giark, some questions: Shields/Lives. Which should we be pushing ?? I'm currently supporting lives and shields. Should one of those be dropped, or is that fine as is ? Also: Connectivity. How much connectivity and continuity should be supported between the different levels ? Power up levels and all that stuff. I'd like to support, and I'd like to finish. And: Death sequences. What should be happening on Bubba's demise ? The "I'm done for" sample goes well with fade to red, but anything specific ? And: More connectivity stuff. Any special requirements for running the level ? I mean, what information am I receiving, and what information am I outputting ? Any special instructions on this one ? Cheat pokes and junk: What sort of pokes, cheat modes and junk do I need to support ? Something tells me one of them is unlimited ammo, but what are the others gonna be ? Heads: How'd ya like to see a 'blow the smeg out of the programmers' wave in my level ? For this, I'll need a photo/digi-pic of each of the maniacs contributing.. ".....it's the tax-mans evil minions..." "...you'll never get MY taxes...." "....take that, evil tax-man...." "Ha-haa !!" Plus: Who's your favorite Spice Girl ? _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "640k should be enough for everyone" |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | - Bill Gates | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 19 04:48:36 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA20639 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 04:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA19992 for amos-out; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA19989 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firefox.modusmedia.com ([208.14.214.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA14866 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:40:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Declan_Gorman@modusmedia.com Received: from [192.168.133.3] by firefox.modusmedia.com via smtpd (for mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) with SMTP; 19 Aug 1997 07:17:31 UT Received: from uue.modusmedia.com ([192.168.132.16]) by mmi-mailrelay.ModusMedia.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-0U10) with SMTP id AAC143 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:51:14 -0600 Received: from ccMail by uue.modusmedia.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0000CD70; Tue, 19 Aug 97 01:48:37 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:17:12 -0600 Message-ID: <0000CD70.@modusmedia.com> Subject: Editor Problems To: amos-list@access.digex.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Status: O X-Status: Hi, I have added a couple new extensions to my configuration and ever since my editor has been acting funny....I cannot move down the screen using the down arrow key. Has anyone else come across this problem and if so how did you overcome it, I am using V1.0 by the way. Thanks. Declan. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 19 11:05:30 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13458 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA26168 for amos-out; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26165 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCSDEV.MCS.CO.UK (SYSTEM@mcsdev.mcs.co.uk [193.32.50.112]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA14921 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:22 GMT From: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk) Message-Id: <009B902B762CE980.6F6A@mcs.co.uk> To: amos-list@digex.net Subject: Re: All this talk of a List Game X-VMS-To: MCSDEV::SMTP%"amos-list@digex.net" Status: O X-Status: Subj: Re: All this talk about a List Game Alistair Murray replied to "All this talk about a List Game" as follows.... >Simon Champion wrote: >> May I tentatively suggest some sort of internet application? (I have >> a few ideas.... :-) >> I'd also like to say at this point that as a user, I would be unlikely >> to use any application or a utility that didn't run on either the >> Workbench screen or a proper public screen (ie screen mode configurable, >> etc). I know that the GUI extension can do it, so let's use it. >Sounds interesting but what are you're ideas? >A couple of points though. >1. I don`t believe the GUI extension can open its own screens yet, just use >the workbench. I hope that an update will allow this use as I think the >extension is excellent and could have alot of uses). Any large application >would likely want its own screen. Hmmm. I echo that hope for an update... I was thinking of something a bit bigger than a utility, but not neccessarily huge! Hmmm. My ideas.... well, I've slept on it, and I'm not so sure my original ideas were so hot :) but here's what I've come up with anyway (they're not internet related, though): -A WYSIWIG musical score writer (remember Deluxe Music?). Could be fun to write. -Or a programmer's Bug Tracking utility? This could provide plenty of scope for us. The idea is for a program that makes it easy to report bugs in a program when testing, and for the programer to then see what's been reported. It also cuts down on duplicated effort, and would allow an team leader to decide on priorities for the various problems. Quite a useful program when you've got a team of programmers working independantly of each other. -An script generator for the Commodore Installer. In operation, you'd tell it to install program X in it's own directory, lib Y in LIBS: etc, and it would create a script for the Installer. Do any of us know the script language of installer well enough to do this? They're my ideas for a 'List Application'. They're only suggestions, though. Anyone else got any ideas? >2. Some people may argue but I think that AMOS is not the best choice for >aplication programming due to its unfriendly screens and so on. Yes, I'd agree with this, but why should that stop us? This is an Amos list, so we would be using Amos whatever it's flaws for whatever we do as a group. One of the points of the list game was to show what *is* possible, and I think this would apply here too. >Anyway heres another suggestion. >How about making a list game which plays over the internet? >I have no experience with programming this sort of thing but I have done a >fair few null modem games in the past so know the basics of the game >programming, just not how to go about connecting from one place to another >on the net. Yes. This is a good idea. >I think we could have a hell of a lot of fun making and testing it ourselves. >Theres a few people on the list I'm sure I'd enjoy shooting at. :) :)))) ho ho ho!!!!! Anyone in particular? >Anyone seen Subspace on the PC? I haven't played it but I think a simple >version of that would be a start. Little spaceship flying around a wrap >around map, kind of like asteroids, shooting each other. You can pick up >better weapons or cloaks and gang up on people. >Or even, maybe this command and conquer style list game 2 could have an >internet option? I hear we've finally got some graphics for it. This would be an interesting option too. >Either way, I don't know of any other AMIGA game that really does it >(although I'm sure there are some) and sounds like fun to me. Just need >someone to explain how you go about getting AMOS to link to another machine >across the net. Hmmm. Maybe someone else can explain this? :-) That's my talk for now!! / |\ / \ | \ / / |_/ \_ (Simon Champion) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Any philosophy that can be put into a nut shell deserves to be kept there" From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 22 21:56:39 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA01905 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02478 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02472 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.hogia.net (mailbox.hogia.net [195.100.64.5]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA10971 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 05:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (cxxv.modem.hogia.net [195.100.63.154]) by mailbox.hogia.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA13668 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:00:39 +0200 Message-Id: <199708210900.LAA13668@mailbox.hogia.net> From: "Martin Karlsson" To: Subject: Something is terrible wrong!!!! Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:00:17 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: I havenīt got any mail from the list for 2 days!? I got 2 mails but both was sent strait to me and not the list. Do anybody know why? If someone can read this mail, please let me know! Tanks! Martin Karlsson From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 22 22:51:11 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22056 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA22752 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22743 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.lindesign.se (root@bean.lindesign.se [194.17.145.248]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21490 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from privatehost ([195.100.93.212]) by bean.lindesign.se with esmtp (ident dtk399m using rfc1413) id m0x1eiw-001msXC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:24:58 +0200 (CEST) To: "AMOS List" In-Reply-To: From: "Johannes Rydh" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:36:02 +0100 Reply-To: "amos-list" X-Mailer: PINT v2.2ß (24.6.97) Subject: Re: Print Message-ID: <92709707@rydh.bengtsfors.se> Status: O X-Status: >>> But with your help I did it. I put "Set Input 10,-1" before I >>> performed the >>> inputs. > Be advised: This will not solve the comma problem. It works just fine with me! Of course I use Line Input # instead of Input #. AMOS now print and reads commmas and the end-of-line problem is solved. I wrote: Print #1,"TestTestTest";Chr$(10); and that works, just as you all said. Thanks for the help! --- Regards, Johannes Rydh From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 22 23:27:48 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA14618 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07374 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07356 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.hogia.net (mailbox.hogia.net [195.100.64.5]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25407 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (xxi.modem.hogia.net [195.100.63.27]) by mailbox.hogia.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA07313 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:10:23 +0200 Message-Id: <199708201410.QAA07313@mailbox.hogia.net> From: "Martin Karlsson" To: Subject: Compiler problems!!! Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:09:58 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: I wonder if someone can help me out with a problem I have? I try to put together a RPG game, like Eye of the Beholder. Now I try to compile the sourcecode and thats no problem. But when I try to start the compiled game it will not start! I have found out that the game jump out to workbench then it comes to the line: Load iff "HD1:H&H/IFF/Block.IFF",1 and I canīt found out why!? < For Rune and SS developers: I have been working on the animations for peasants. I send it over to you as son as it is finished!! > Martin Karlsson From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 22 23:47:13 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00429 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA12870 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA12860 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hwcn.org (main.hwcn.org [199.212.94.65]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA29338 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (al575@james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hwcn.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA15061 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (al575@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA05205; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:44:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca: al575 owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:44:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Henry Sopko X-Sender: al575@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca To: amos-list@access.digex.net cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Setpatch/AGA extension In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello, I have two questions. I just got the 3.1 ROM kit and would like to have the lastest Setpatch version (I have version 40.16). Where can I get it from? Maybe someone could email it to me? Also, when is the AMOS AGA Extension going to be released? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 22 23:53:28 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10444 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05804 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05801 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.demon.nl [194.159.73.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16121 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster.demon.nl ([194.159.230.120]) by post.demon.nl id aa0018505; 20 Aug 97 22:38 MET DST Date: 20 Aug 97 14:33:50 -0500 From: Evert-Jan Slypen Subject: Unrest! To: Amos ML Message-ID: <727.7171T873T2534@lobster.demon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: THOR 2.4 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Status: RO X-Status: Er, there is a slight problem. A new THX has been released, and there are no replayers currently available except for a new Deliplayer. The new version is also incompatible with the Amos THX extensions (Doom, THX etc). I'll ask the programmer of THX if he has got a new Amos replayer (I thought I saw it mentioned somewhere) or else we'll cook up something. So Peter : I may be able to get the tune to you Friday but I don't know if you can play it in your game by then. :/ I'll try though. ________________________ ( ) \_ Evert-Jan Slypen? / \||||/ o\___________________/ ([Oo]) . \()/ Grtz! ----oOo----oOo----- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 00:32:37 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA06357 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15237 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15223 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth.usa.net (earth.iex.net [192.156.196.1]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29987 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acer-200 (tul-ok2-04.ix.netcom.com [204.31.234.68]) by earth.usa.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA22432 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:30:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199708212330.RAA22432@earth.usa.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Parrott" Organization: Parrottsoft, Ltd. To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:30:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: What's the deal? Reply-to: parrottsoft@usa.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Status: O X-Status: Greetings. What's the deal? For the past two days I haven't gotten ONE SHRED of mail from the list (or any personal messages for that matter). I'm just curious if this is just another server screw-up or everyone's been abducted, hehe. Btw, Giark, keep yur pants on. If the server has screwed and I haven't been getting any mail then would someone that has all the message for the past two days please send it to me via .zip or .lha or the like. Thanks. Bagpipes (n): an octopus wearing a kilt. Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@usa.net, work: parrottsoft@usa.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 00:34:07 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24439 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06389 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06380 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [194.129.188.3]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16799 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paston.co.uk ([194.129.188.201]) by red.paston.co.uk with SMTP id <843508-8378> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:07:12 +0100 From: Ben Wyatt To: AMOS Mailing List Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:21:24 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009B8C202E1C4B40.4537@mcs.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Why is Amos SLower than C/C++ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Status: O X-Status: On 14-Aug-97, Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk sat on a keyboard and produced this mess: > >> Quick Question, why is complied AMos Code slower than compiled > >> C/C++ code? > >C has a better optimiser and faster support routines. My language, POP, aims > >to do the same for AMOS type (ie easy to use) languages. Already it is > >producing executables more optimised than C compilers (at least where it's > >possible to!!). > Hmmmm..... that sounds very nice! When can I try it out??? :-) Couple of months perhaps (unless you're an assembler coder who can help me?). Bye ____________________________________________________ / \ / Ben Wyatt - bwyatt@paston.co.uk or b.wyatt@uea.ac.uk \ \ http://www.paston.co.uk/users/bwyatt/index.html / \____________________________________________________/ (c)1995-97 Very Interesting Signatures Ltd. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 01:16:39 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA27973 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17153 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17147 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03507 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp26-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.75]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06633 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:28:09 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:28:06 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Troubles? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: My mailbox has been empty for two days now. If the list isn't down, there is trouble at my end. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 01:16:47 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA22465 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18647 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18608 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA07506 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26430 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1997 11:46:49 -0000 Received: from lp3-7.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.86.199) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 21 Aug 1997 11:46:49 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 07:47:19 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Stuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: First, I would like to apologize for my lack of replying to the list, I have had a rather hectic week, which although was a bit tiresome, has come to a rather good end. First up, I have obtained a nice 16x CD ROM for my A1200, which now sits on the shelf next to my 1084S, HD, Modem, and External Disk drive. I dont have any good CD's at the moment, but hope to acquire some soon. Plus, I also obtained my little Work card from the good ol' US Immigration, giving me the go ahead to legally work. This meanss now I can begin to sell products from my pages etc, as well as be able to distribute the list game as soon as it is ready. Erm, my mailinglist manager program is quickly approaching beta stages, and I am looking for more people who wish to test the software on their Amiga's. Apart from that, I dont think I have anything else to say. Later doods Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 01:22:16 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA28535 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09166 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09162 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26149 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p06-martin-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.69.126]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA26349 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:40:22 +0100 Message-ID: <33FE49E1.592A@virgin.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:24:33 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMOS List Subject: AMOS animations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: When I try to play a large (400k+) animation in AMOS it usually gets corrupted on certain frames. It seems to happen when there are frames which are completely different from the previous screen( i.e. it has to draw the entire screen) Anyone have any solutions? -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 01:27:14 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA13644 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03650 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03640 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firefox.modusmedia.com ([208.14.214.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA21806 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 03:08:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Declan_Gorman@modusmedia.com Received: from [192.168.133.3] by firefox.modusmedia.com via smtpd (for mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) with SMTP; 21 Aug 1997 06:44:05 UT Received: from uue.modusmedia.com ([192.168.132.16]) by mmi-mailrelay.ModusMedia.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-0U10) with SMTP id AAA169 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:18:40 -0600 Received: from ccMail by uue.modusmedia.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0000EF58; Thu, 21 Aug 97 01:13:23 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:59:22 -0600 Message-ID: <0000EF58.@modusmedia.com> Subject: Re[2]: Editor Problems To: "'INTERNET:amos-list@access.digex.net'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Status: O X-Status: I have added the JD_Misc extension but also have this problem when I add older extensions such as Turbo Craft. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Editor Problems Author: Steve Wood at Internet Date: 20/08/97 12:36 Well first of all what extensions have you added? And are they AMOS Pro or Classic? Once we know that we will be in a better position to help. Steve W -----Original Message----- From: Declan_Gorman@modusmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 4:30 AM To: INTERNET:amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Editor Problems Hi, I have added a couple new extensions to my configuration and ever since my editor has been acting funny....I cannot move down the screen using the down arrow key. Has anyone else come across this problem and if so how did you overcome it, I am using V1.0 by the way. Thanks. Declan. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 02:15:52 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00461 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA27278 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27265 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA02845 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2130 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1997 12:32:48 -0000 Received: from lp3-7.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.86.199) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 21 Aug 1997 12:32:48 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 07:54:14 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009B8F44EEA831E0.5C8C@mcs.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: All this talk about a List Game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk, who did thus comment on Re: All this talk about a List Game on the night of 17-Aug-97: > This is a pretty good idea, but I think it would need to be something a > bit bigger than that. More of a "list application" than a "list util"? > Your idea is probably quite feasable, but I don't think there's enough > scope in a mod player to involve enough people to make it into a group > effort like the list game. Like I said in the first proposal, I only used that as an examlple. I could easily make the mod player myself, just used it as a basis to come up with an idea line. The utility would obviously have to be a bigger design to get the attention needed similar to that of a game. Also remember, it will be a heck of a lot more difficult to coordinate. > If we're going to get enough people involved, it needs to be something > a bit bigger - if only to get enough things for everyone to work on > individually. > May I tentatively suggest some sort of internet application? (I have > a few ideas.... :-) Hmm, Im doing a program which allows people to run multiple mailing lists, I honestly have no idea at this time of what kind of project to do. I know what I would really love to have a good bash at, is a News reader, done with the excellent GUI extension, and its fab TCP commands. > I'd also like to say at this point that as a user, I would be unlikely > to use any application or a utility that didn't run on either the > Workbench screen or a proper public screen (ie screen mode configurable, etc). > I know that the GUI extension can do it, so let's use it. Yup, I have to say the GUI extension is my fave extension at the moment, so I would certainly have no hesitation in using it. > That's my input for now.... Thats LINE INPUT, hehe ;) Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 02:20:09 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA18841 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15652 for amos-out; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15649 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-13.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.137]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00575 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124857; 19 Aug 97 17:07 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0017e; Tue, 19 Aug 97 17:08:06 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 17:08:06 GMT Message-Id: <9708191708.AA0017d@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24ed93f3.u8t20e.3ed08-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <009B902B762CE980.6F6A@mcs.co.uk> (from "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk)) (at Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:22 GMT) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@digex.net Subject: Re: All this talk of a List Game Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Simon, > Alistair Murray replied to "All this talk about a List Game" as follows.... > >Simon Champion wrote: > -A WYSIWIG musical score writer (remember Deluxe Music?). Could be fun to > write. Have fun. > -Or a programmer's Bug Tracking utility? This could provide plenty of scope > for us. The idea is for a program that makes it easy to report bugs in a > program when testing, and for the programer to then see what's been reported. > It also cuts down on duplicated effort, and would allow an team leader to > decide on priorities for the various problems. Quite a useful program when > you've got a team of programmers working independantly of each other. Huh ? Print in the source code ? Log files ? Auto-parsing ? Editor hooks ? > -An script generator for the Commodore Installer. In operation, you'd tell > it to install program X in it's own directory, lib Y in LIBS: etc, and > it would create a script for the Installer. Do any of us know the script > language of installer well enough to do this? YES !!! THIS ONE !!! SMEGGING USEFULL !!!! > Yes, I'd agree with this, but why should that stop us? This is an Amos list, > so we would be using Amos whatever it's flaws for whatever we do as a group. > One of the points of the list game was to show what *is* possible, and I > think this would apply here too. I think a gadtools or mui based application in amos would stun a lot of people, particularly when they find out it multitasks.. > >Either way, I don't know of any other AMIGA game that really does it > >(although I'm sure there are some) and sounds like fun to me. Just need > >someone to explain how you go about getting AMOS to link to another machine > >across the net. > Hmmm. Maybe someone else can explain this? :-) It's one I'd like to see. > "Any philosophy that can be put into a nut shell deserves to be kept there" Hmmm. Fascinating. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "Zap, Pow, Biff Bam, Holy Cow !" |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 02:22:08 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA01246 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02984 for amos-out; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02981 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08459 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp1-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.50]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA22438 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:33:00 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:19:48 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24ecc93a.u8t20e.c2690-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Volume.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 19-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: >Can you change the volume of samples played back in amos ?? The volume command, like the sam play command, can be addressed with the channel bitmap to alter the volume of any one channel. >How do you change the volume of samples played back in amos ?? Volume %1010, 25 (or maybe the other way around. But that does it.) Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 03:15:24 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA09555 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 03:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA04796 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA04793 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc.seflin.org (a007193t@bc.seflin.org [199.227.192.20]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA23328 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from a007193t@localhost) by bc.seflin.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA11772; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:24:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:24:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Hyland Subject: I THINK WE'VE BEEN HACKED !!!!! To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: The list seems to be working now, but I think it was hacked. I noticed a adverse comment was inserted in to one of the mails I sent, and on second thought on the (Date) sub maybe using the abbreviation would be better like AUG/25/97. Eric Hyland a007193t@bc.seflin.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 10:10:57 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26640 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA06259 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA06256 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.sosbbs.com (sosbbs.com [204.186.168.100]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA24258 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PC_rwbenjamin.sosbbs.com (204.186.168.55) by mailhost.sosbbs.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:44:17 -0400 Message-ID: Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: amos-list@access.digex.net MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Robert W. Benjamin" Subject: Children's Software Date: Sat, 23 Aug 97 07:50:22 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks... No this is'nt exactly AMOS related, but it's worthwhile anyway... The Mystique Corporation has started a 'Made For KIDS Campaign' They need 40 titles of software made for kids, games, spelling, learning,etc.. When they get 40 titles, a new section will be made on Aminet, titled: misc/kids It's worthwhile, for the AMIGA and the kids... So, if you have written any childrens programs, please check the site out, and support it... http://www.mystcorp.u-net.com/madeforkids.html Sincerely, Robert W. Benjamin rwbenjamin@sosbbs.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 11:56:57 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17206 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08786 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08783 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03710 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp23-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.72]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA22522 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:44:38 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:36:03 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199708201410.QAA07313@mailbox.hogia.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Compiler problems!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id KAA08784 Status: O X-Status: On 20-Aug-97, Martin Karlsson wrote: >Load iff "HD1:H&H/IFF/Block.IFF",1 >and I canīt found out why!? Load Iff doesn't need the ,1 Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 12:24:02 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22249 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08791 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08788 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24660 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp23-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.72]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA22516 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:44:33 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:32:58 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33FA6F0B.6948@virgin.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: C&C Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 19-Aug-97, --==Murray==-- wrote: >I vote for Scifi. Gives alot of scope for creating anything you want. >> need sfx, music and levels. Please tell me what you can contribute with. We >> need everything! Okay, I offer my services as story writer. I write SF professionally, (Cap'n Bubba is NOT an example of my best work) and, once you decide on the characters, planets, etc., I can whip up a small story to be used as promotion or intro or whatever. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 15:08:22 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10769 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 15:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12082 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12079 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m6.sprynet.com (m6.sprynet.com [165.121.2.89]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA09340 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sprynet.com (ragriffi@ad13-088.compuserve.com [199.174.140.88]) by m6.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA07711 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:57:38 -0700 From: Richard Griffith Reply-To: Richard Griffith To: AMOS mailing list Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:54:35 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199708201410.QAA07313@mailbox.hogia.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Compiler problems!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id NAA12080 Status: O X-Status: On 20-Aug-97, Martin Karlsson wrote: > ... I have found out that the game jump out to >workbench then it comes to the line: >Load iff "HD1:H&H/IFF/Block.IFF",1 >and I canīt found out why!? You might try and 'include error messages' in the compile. It makes the executable larger, but for debugging, at least you know what was wrong. As to the root cause, it's hard to guess without more info, but I do recall something similar once that turned out to be one of those AMOS string problems, but if the name is specified in the command like you show, that is unlikely. -Richard From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 15:40:34 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18985 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 15:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11230 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11227 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06907 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p49-bunting-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.57.49]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA18206 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:16:04 +0100 Message-ID: <33FF7864.78CC@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:55:16 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMOS List Subject: Re: Compiler problems!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: > >Load iff "HD1:H&H/IFF/Block.IFF",1 > >and I canīt found out why!? > Load Iff doesn't need the ,1 It does if you want to load it into screen 1 rather than the current screen. (are you thinking of save iff?) As for your problem. What error message do you get? -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 16:26:07 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18735 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13482 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13479 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.lindesign.se (root@bean.lindesign.se [194.17.145.248]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12883 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from privatehost ([195.100.90.223]) by bean.lindesign.se with esmtp (ident dtk399m using rfc1413) id m0x2Kv3-001mshC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:28:17 +0200 (CEST) To: "AMOS List" From: "Johannes Rydh" Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:21:12 +0100 Reply-To: "AMOS List" X-Mailer: PINT v2.2ß (24.6.97) Subject: Menu Program in AMOSPro Message-ID: <92709733@rydh.bengtsfors.se> Status: O X-Status: Hello All! A small question for AMOS Professional Users: Is the Menu Editor on AMOSPro_Productivity: good? I've had problem with that disc. I'm tired of using Menu$. So I made an Menu Editor myself. But it only works with AMOS Pro. I could make an version for normal AMOS, but an big feature must be removed. My question: do you think it's worth to drop my prog on Internet? What are the features of thier program? Anyone? --- Regards, Johannes Rydh From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 16:59:03 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20845 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA13594 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 15:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13591 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 15:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kelly.talk-101.com (kelly.talk-101.com [193.164.165.7]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA14302 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 15:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [193.164.165.222] by kelly.talk-101.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ra039875 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:23:36 +0100 From: Anthony Sherratt To: AMOS List Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:43:26 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Updates needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id PAA13592 Status: O X-Status: On 19-Aug-97, Mr. Giark To You wrote: >>> Intro - nothing!Gadzooks ! Anyone ?? I >>can get some actual artwork done by >>one of my people 'soon' but anims, >>no. >Anthony Sherratt is supposed to be working on this? Does this mean that I am doing the code? Dont get me wrong I`ll do it but I just thought I was doing the gfx? Im very busy doing the gfx for the game but I am also busy doing others as well, give me time people, Im in demand :) If you do want me to code the Intro do you want me todo a anim ? I`ll probably need to chat with Evert-Jan Slypen so that he can come up with a top piece of music to fit perfect with it. >>> Also, anyone looked at the IAPA file yet? >>Yup. Cute. Goes too quick though. >Which is why I put it in script so others can alter it. But is it an >acceptable logo intro thing for our group? I thought it was very nice, I dont think it was quick thou`. All I can say that it was missing a atmosphertic mod or sound of some sort, with a nice crash/explosion when the letters break !?! Anyways I`ll get cracking with the pics and send Giark some finished pics soon. Anthony Sherratt -- .--------------------.-----------------------------------------· · | ASP DESIGN | WWW: http://www.talk-101.com/users/asp/ :--------------------:-----------------------------------------· · |111 Broadbent ave, | Email: SHEZZOR@mail.talk-101.com |Latchford, :-----------------------------------------· · |Warrington, | A1200/030/50Mhz-10MEG-420MB-28.8-2xCDROM |Cheshire, :-----------------------------------------· · |WA4 1UW | Monty the Wolf {#################=-} 94% |ENGLAND | Demo: Aminet under game/jump/Monty.lha · · From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 18:06:41 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09227 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15541 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15538 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post8.tele.dk (post8.tele.dk [194.239.134.172]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24911 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post8.tele.dk ([194.239.180.6]) by post8.tele.dk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA25580 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:57:14 +0100 From: Jens Vang Petersen To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:58:21 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: AB3DII-Editor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: I've started out trying to use the AlienBreed 3DII - Editor, got anoyed with it quickly. I found the amos-source on an AF disc and began to analyse it, so far I've found a couple of very obvious bugs, and more than 600 lines of subrutines that were never called, nasty. Anyway, my problem now is to locate more small errors in the editor, so if anyone knows it and knows of some bugs, please let me know. Oh yes I've allready removed the bugs in Load, Save and clip (the ones that makes the editor crash at illegal filenames) BTW: Anyone like to test it when I'm done. -- Happy greetings, Yours.. __________________________________________________________________________ /_ __/ __ / __ /\ ___\ __ \__ _\ aka. JENS VANG PETERSEN / / / /_/ / ____/ \ \___\ __ \ \ \ Nyvej 8, DK-4450 Jyderup, Denmark /_/ /_____/_/ \_____\_\ \_\ \_\ top_cat@post8.tele.dk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- CChheecckk yyoouurr dduupplleexx sswwiittcchh.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 19:13:53 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA18595 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16403 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16400 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA21832 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 190 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1997 21:09:59 -0000 Received: from herp1-27.redrose.net (mushy-pd@208.7.248.155) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 1997 21:09:59 -0000 Received: by mushypd.redrose.net (V1.16/Amiga) id AA00020; Sat, 9 Aug 97 17:09:28 GMT Date: Sat, 9 Aug 97 17:09:28 GMT Message-Id: <9708091709.AA0001z@mushypd.redrose.net> X-Comment: 10101010 X-Comment: Generated by Mailinglist Manager V2.10 X-Comment: Written by Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett (C) July/August 1997 X-Comment: Create multiple mailinglists with connections to both Email and news readers X-Comment: and combine the 2 with ease of use. X-Comment: Available from www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk (Demo Version) From: cahill4@iol.ie (Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: [AMOSList] IMPORTANT - - - read this !!! Status: O X-Status: IMPORTANT !!!!! This is probably of intrest of 1000s of people Recently 'MUSH' got the AMOS List and Since then IT HAS BEEN BROKEN This looks like Mush BROKE THE LIST but he disagrees of course 8) anyway MUSH BROKE THE AMOS-LIST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Brought to you from the AMOS Mailinglist!! mailto: amos-request@access.digex.net Subject: SUBSCRIBE Posted via Mailinglist Manager V2.10, available soon from http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk - the worlds largest AMOS homepages Email me at mushypd@redrose.net for more information! From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 19:46:58 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24364 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16718 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16715 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06811 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5719 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1997 21:47:16 -0000 Received: from herp1-27.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.155) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 1997 21:47:16 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 17:47:41 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Updates needed (Date ?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Mr. Giark To You, who did thus comment on Re: Updates needed (Date ?) on the night of 19-Aug-97: > On 18-Aug-97, Eric Hyland wrote: > >Is this the euro standard date system dy/mo/yr 25/08/97 ? > >It should be mo/dy/yr 08/25/97. > Spoken like an imprecise american. Ive been here in the states since January, and its just ilogical how they do stuff. Isnt it so much easier than to write the date in the form of: 23 August 1997 ? Its simple, "its the 23rd day of August, in the year 1997" (I had an argument with a cafeteria waitress over this too, in an EatNPark restaraunt) Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 20:24:25 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA27723 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA16750 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16747 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA10898 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9223 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1997 22:11:52 -0000 Received: from herp1-27.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.155) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 1997 22:11:52 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 18:00:35 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Setpatch/AGA extension MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Henry Sopko, who did thus comment on Setpatch/AGA extension on the night of 20-Aug-97: > Hello, > I have two questions. I just got the 3.1 ROM kit and would like to > have the lastest Setpatch version (I have version 40.16). Where can I get > it from? Maybe someone could email it to me? Also, when is the AMOS AGA > Extension going to be released? Its always available from Aminet. if you do a search for it, then you should find it quite easy. All I can find offhand is: spmaso12.lha biz/patch 12K 93+SetPatchMC702 1.2 setpatch37.lha util/boot 9K 217+SetPatch v37.38 from CBM (for 2.04OS) Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 20:46:13 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00134 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16728 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16725 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07646 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6929 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1997 21:56:34 -0000 Received: from herp1-27.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.155) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 1997 21:56:34 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 17:56:58 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199708201410.QAA07313@mailbox.hogia.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Compiler problems!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id RAA16726 Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Martin Karlsson, who did thus comment on Compiler problems!!! on the night of 20-Aug-97: > I wonder if someone can help me out with a problem I have? > I try to put together a RPG game, like Eye of the Beholder. Now I try to > compile the sourcecode and thats no problem. But when I try to start the > compiled game it will not start! I have found out that the game jump out to > workbench then it comes to the line: > Load iff "HD1:H&H/IFF/Block.IFF",1 > and I canīt found out why!? You should search thru all your source code for the line, and delete it, even if it is commented out. Then try a re-compile. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 20:53:45 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00837 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16733 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16730 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA24245 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6547 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1997 21:53:31 -0000 Received: from herp1-27.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.155) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 1997 21:53:31 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 17:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24ed93f3.u8t20e.3ed08-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: All this talk of a List Game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: > I think a gadtools or mui based application in amos would stun a lot of > people, particularly when they find out it multitasks.. Some of the friends on IRC who have looked at my mailinglist manger were rather suprised to find out it was done with AMOS, they even binary read the file to check! > > >Either way, I don't know of any other AMIGA game that really does it > > >(although I'm sure there are some) and sounds like fun to me. Just need > > >someone to explain how you go about getting AMOS to link to another > machine > > >across the net. > > Hmmm. Maybe someone else can explain this? :-) > It's one I'd like to see. I have a book, which explains the method fully. I will one day go through all of the methods and actually figure something out. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 20:59:52 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17555 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA17204 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA17201 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA20994 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21282 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1997 23:30:30 -0000 Received: from herp1-27.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.155) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 1997 23:30:30 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 19:30:55 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9708091709.AA0001z@mushypd.redrose.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: [AMOSList] IMPORTANT - - - read this !!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett, who did thus comment on [AMOSList] IMPORTANT - - - read this !!! on the night of 09-Aug-97: > IMPORTANT !!!!! > This is probably of intrest of 1000s of people > Recently 'MUSH' got the AMOS List > and Since then IT HAS BEEN BROKEN > This looks like Mush BROKE THE LIST > but he disagrees of course 8) > anyway MUSH BROKE THE AMOS-LIST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hehe, nice try =) Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 21:06:08 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA19957 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA16755 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16752 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25166 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9233 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1997 22:11:56 -0000 Received: from herp1-27.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.155) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 1997 22:11:56 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 18:11:37 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Compiler problems!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Mr. Giark To You, who did thus comment on Re: Compiler problems!!! on the night of 23-Aug-97: > Load Iff doesn't need the ,1 the ,1 defines the Load to screen 1 function. Without it, if the pic has different parameters than the screen, you'll get the error "Cannot fit picture in Screen" or equivalent. I always add a , to make sure it opens the screen at the correct parameters Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 22:43:27 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA10340 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA17528 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17525 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2a.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.5]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA01325 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0523163; 24 Aug 97 1:57 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0018q; Sat, 23 Aug 97 19:16:46 GMT Date: Sat, 23 Aug 97 19:16:46 GMT Message-Id: <9708231916.AA0018p@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24f2f81a.u8t20e.ef33e-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:16:05 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Updates needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id VAA17526 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Mr., > >> Intro - nothing!Gadzooks ! Anyone ?? I > >can get some actual artwork done by > >one of my people 'soon' but anims, no. > Anthony Sherratt is supposed to be working on this? Well, my tame graphics dude is dead good with physical art, and I have access to a scanner now.. > >> Also, anyone looked at the IAPA file yet? > >Yup. Cute. Goes too quick though. > Which is why I put it in script so others can alter it. But is it an > acceptable logo intro thing for our group? 'sok by me. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "Resistance is futile" |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 23:06:59 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA14598 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA17549 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17546 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.9]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02100 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad0523163; 24 Aug 97 1:57 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0018v; Sat, 23 Aug 97 19:21:13 GMT Date: Sat, 23 Aug 97 19:21:13 GMT Message-Id: <9708231921.AA0018u@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24f2f927.u8t20e.9574-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "Mr. Giark To You" ) (at Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:36:03 -0500) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Compiler problems!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id VAA17547 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Mr., > On 20-Aug-97, Martin Karlsson wrote: > >Load iff "HD1:H&H/IFF/Block.IFF",1 > >and I canīt found out why!? > Load Iff doesn't need the ,1 Screen one not opened yet ?? File missing ? Note to all people coding, please don't directly refer to directories + drives on YOUR hard drive, particularly things like HD1, DH1, SYS, and the untimate in evil DF0 I don't have a DF0 on my CD32.. Only refer to your hard drive if you can't find somewhere else to go. My config for bubba looks in the current directory where it SHOULD be, then for my hard drive, then prompts the user for a directory. It will never complain that MY hard drive isn't present. _ _ _ _ _ _ | You know what security guards are like. |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | Sh-Shoot first, and still argue about |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | whether you can come in. - Max Headroom | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 08:01:48 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03415 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 08:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA20221 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 06:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA20218 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 06:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iol.ie (root@mail2.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.193]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA16314 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 06:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GPO.iol.ie (root@GPO1.GPO.iol.ie [194.125.2.196]) by mail.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20215 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:16:49 +0100 Received: from iol.ie (dialup-129.dublin.iol.ie [194.125.41.129]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01216 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:16:46 +0100 From: Peter Cahill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 10:49:53 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: HELP! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Hi, Is there a way to test if a bob exists on the screen ? The screen is 320x234 heres a example of what Im doing: For amount=50 to 60 If X bob(1)X bob(amount)-10 Proc xxxxx End If Next But there will not always be bobs 50-60 and AMOS comes up with a error cos of some bobs between 50-60 not existing when it tryes to find its X value Alot of the time there will only be bobs 51-53 Sometimes even 51-53 wont exist Any ideas? Thanks in advance, -- Peter Cahill Team *AMOS* ||||||| \ o o / http://www.iol.ie/~cahill4/peter/index.html /\ _ /\ _________________________________________oOo-\ /-oOo_ | | V | | AMINET: | e-mail: | | | cahill4@iol.ie | | game/patch/alfred.lha | | | pix/icon/intel.lha | Current Projects: | | | Pang | | | Independence | |---------------------------------------------------| | | | A1200 030/50Mhz/10Meg/4xCDRom/850MegHD/2 FD | |___________________________________________________| From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 11:59:09 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05516 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22772 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 10:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22769 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 10:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.hogia.net (mailbox.hogia.net [195.100.64.5]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15913 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 10:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (xxiv.modem.hogia.net [195.100.63.30]) by mailbox.hogia.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA31478 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:29:14 +0200 Message-Id: <199708241429.QAA31478@mailbox.hogia.net> From: "Martin Karlsson" To: Subject: SV: C&C Update Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:33:39 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: > On 19-Aug-97, --==Murray==-- wrote: > >I vote for Scifi. Gives alot of scope for creating anything you want. > >> need sfx, music and levels. Please tell me what you can contribute with. We > >> need everything! > > Okay, I offer my services as story writer. I write SF professionally, (Cap'n > Bubba is NOT an example of my best work) and, once you decide on the > characters, planets, etc., I can whip up a small story to be used as promotion > or intro or whatever. > Nice to have the list back on track!!! I think I have a good story(basic) for the C&C game, but it takes place in the future. So if we decide to write a SF game I think it could be very good!! But for me it doesnīt matter if we do a SF or Fantasy type of game. Both have advantages and disadvantages. If we start with a Fantasy game and itīs turn out to be good, then we can do a SF game. But I agree with Murray on some parts! The game canīt be just a copy of warcraft, even if some parts is in same style. But I donīt think that C&C is a better game than Warcraft 2, even if I love explosions ;-). If we do a fantasy type of game, we have to add some new functions and ideas. Martin Karlsson bobba@mailbox.hogia.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 12:04:23 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06636 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA20226 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 06:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA20223 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 06:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iol.ie (root@mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA16347 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 06:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GPO.iol.ie (root@GPO1.GPO.iol.ie [194.125.2.196]) by mail.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14706 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:16:55 +0100 Received: from iol.ie (dialup-129.dublin.iol.ie [194.125.41.129]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01230 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:16:54 +0100 From: Peter Cahill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:01:37 +0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: The Game Extension.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Hi, Im making a new extension for AMOS ! Its mainly going to be based on useful commands for games So If anyone has any ideas for commands that they would like to see just tell me ! Also Could everyone tell me what extension slots they have got free & what slot would suit them best ? thanks, -- Peter Cahill Team *AMOS* ||||||| \ o o / http://www.iol.ie/~cahill4/peter/index.html /\ _ /\ _________________________________________oOo-\ /-oOo_ | | V | | AMINET: | e-mail: | | | cahill4@iol.ie | | game/patch/alfred.lha | | | pix/icon/intel.lha | Current Projects: | | | Pang | | | Independence | |---------------------------------------------------| | | | A1200 030/50Mhz/10Meg/4xCDRom/850MegHD/2 FD | |___________________________________________________| From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 13:10:55 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17959 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24141 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24138 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07016 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp3-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.52]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24517 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:52:52 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:43:05 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24f2f2aa.u8t20e.eda47-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Updates needed (Date ?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 23-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: >> shouldn't be the issue it should be clarity, and to that extent I'd suggest >> using a UK after the date especially if both day, and date are 12 or under. >again, I agree it shouldn't be an issue, so I would vote for an 'US' if day >& date are 12 or under. Well, guess what? I'm running the page, so I'll continue to do it the way I like. That's what a project coordinator is for, to make unilateral decisions to help keep GAME DEVELOPMENT the issue at hand. Q8-{) Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 13:44:10 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21961 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24136 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24133 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07002 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp3-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.52]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24512 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:52:46 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:39:47 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Updates needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 22-Aug-97, Anthony Sherratt wrote: >>>> Intro - nothing!Gadzooks ! Anyone ?? >>Anthony Sherratt is supposed to be working on this? >Does this mean that I am doing the code? No, just the neato pictures. >>>> Also, anyone looked at the IAPA file yet? >>>> I put it in script so others can alter it. But is it an >>>>acceptable logo intro thing for our group? >I thought it was very nice, I dont think it was quick thou`. All I can >say that it was missing a atmosphertic mod or sound of some sort, with >a nice crash/explosion when the letters break !?! >Anyways I`ll get cracking with the pics and send Giark some finished >pics soon. Good. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 14:01:09 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05656 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24146 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24143 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07046 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp3-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.52]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24522 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:52:56 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:47:22 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24f2f927.u8t20e.9574-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Compiler problems!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 23-Aug-97, Keith Hill wrote: >please don't directly refer to directories + drives on YOUR hard drive, >particularly things like HD1, DH1, SYS, and the untimate in evil DF0 >I don't have a DF0 on my CD32.. Only refer to your hard drive if you can't >find somewhere else to go. Note to all Cap'n Bubba programmers: As part of the menu system, I have written a file loader. You supply Filename$, Drawer$ (deeper into the current one, not full path), Disk$ (if running from floppy), File Type (screen, samples, data, etc) And it does the rest, checking to see if the file is there, prompting for disk insertion, and loading to the proper location. Never will you see the ugly amos requester, nor will it pop you to workbench, as all requesters are turned off. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 14:15:32 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09271 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24151 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24148 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04598 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp3-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.52]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24529 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:53:02 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:52:34 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: The Game Extension.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 24-Aug-97, Peter Cahill wrote: >So If anyone has any ideas for commands that they would >like to see just tell me ! CD32 Pad support - all 11 buttons Pointer Zones - Right now, when I have my mouse pointer move over a window that has text that can be edited, I change the mouse to a crosshair, then back when it moves off. Something like crosshairzone1,50,40to100,60 Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 16:30:52 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21675 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27910 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27903 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mago.agonet.it (mago.agonet.it [195.32.124.10]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06720 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agonet.it (ghizzo@p126068.agonet.it [195.32.126.68]) by mago.agonet.it (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10184; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:48:02 +0200 From: Pietro Ghizzoni Reply-To: Pietro Ghizzoni To: Amos-List , Andrew Kellett Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:34:09 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Dairymen Soft Subject: Re: All this talk about a List Game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 07-Ago-97, Mush wrote: Re: All this talk about a List Game >Hmm, Im doing a program which allows people to run multiple mailing lists, >I honestly have no idea at this time of what kind of project to do. I know >what I would really love to have a good bash at, is a News reader, done >with the excellent GUI extension, and its fab TCP commands. The idea of a News reader is very good... >> I'd also like to say at this point that as a user, I would be unlikely >> to use any application or a utility that didn't run on either the >> Workbench screen or a proper public screen (ie screen mode configurable, >etc). >> I know that the GUI extension can do it, so let's use it. >Yup, I have to say the GUI extension is my fave extension at the moment, so >I would certainly have no hesitation in using it. Thanx ;) I'm sorry for the several postponements of the new version of the GUI extension... but it's worth to wait for ;) What you will see in the new version: - *AGA Screen* Support - *Public screen* support - Advanced mouse handling controls - new gfx commands - A new version of the *GUI Compiler* ...Yup! - the usual bug fixes and much more (...30 new commands!) I've ready some new compiled examples of the new functions of the GUI Extension ( A public screen manager, and a little paint program) If someone wants betatest them, please send me a message. I'll spread out these progs between 2 days.. so please send me your request as soon as possible ;) -- Bye! !!! o o +-----------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo----------------------------+ | | | Pietro Ghizzoni - Dairymen Soft __ /// Amiga 12OO | | E-Mail: ghizzo@agonet.it \\\/// 'O3O 5OMhz | | Team AMIGA \/// 1OMB - CD4x | | | | Amos Professional Team Coordinator AMIGA RULEZ!! | | | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 18:57:40 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24392 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00157 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00152 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.lindesign.se (root@bean.lindesign.se [194.17.145.248]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15124 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from privatehost ([194.17.145.250]) by bean.lindesign.se with esmtp (ident gsoft using rfc1413) id m0x2gMS-001mtqC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:22:00 +0200 (CEST) To: "AMOS List" In-Reply-To: <199708210900.LAA13668@mailbox.hogia.net> From: "Johannes Rydh" Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:05:11 +0100 Reply-To: "AMOS List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: PINT v2.2ß (24.6.97) Subject: Something is terrible wrong!!!! Message-ID: <92709737@rydh.bengtsfors.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id OAA00155 Status: O X-Status: > I havenīt got any mail from the list for 2 days!? I got 2 mails but both > was sent strait to me and not the list. Do anybody know why? If someone > can > read this mail, please let me know! > Tanks! > Martin Karlsson I haven't got any mail too, for two days. But now I got 49 letters from the AMOS list. Why? Perhaps trouble with the server or nobody wrote any msg. The first is probebly the answer. I just hope that no letters has been lost. --- Regards, Johannes Rydh From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 19:35:01 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28427 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA02945 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02942 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iol.ie (root@mail2.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.193]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05305 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GPO.iol.ie (root@GPO2.GPO.iol.ie [194.125.2.197]) by mail.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA07741 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:38:51 +0100 Received: from iol.ie (dialup-287.dublin.iol.ie [194.125.42.47]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01081 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:38:49 +0100 From: Peter Cahill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:36:07 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: The Game Extension.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Somebody by the name of Mr. Giark To You wrote a letter for some reason possibly 'Re: The Game Extension....' and so heres a reply 8) : >On 24-Aug-97, Peter Cahill wrote: >>So If anyone has any ideas for commands that they would >>like to see just tell me ! >CD32 Pad support - all 11 buttons Hmmmm.... Good Idea but I havent got a CD32 to test it on 8( If anyone has a CD32 and would like to test it for me then just let me know ! >Pointer Zones - Right now, when I have my mouse pointer move over a window >that has text that can be edited, I change the mouse to a crosshair, then back >when it moves off. Something like crosshairzone1,50,40to100,60 OK - Ill look into it ! Thanks for your reply, -- Peter Cahill Team *AMOS* ||||||| \ o o / http://www.iol.ie/~cahill4/peter/index.html /\ _ /\ _________________________________________oOo-\ /-oOo_ | | V | | AMINET: | e-mail: | | | cahill4@iol.ie | | game/patch/alfred.lha | | | pix/icon/intel.lha | Current Projects: | | | Pang | | | Independence | |---------------------------------------------------| | | | A1200 030/50Mhz/10Meg/4xCDRom/850MegHD/2 FD | |___________________________________________________| From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 20:34:51 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20273 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA03946 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03943 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28138 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p26-flameback-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.62.26]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA12774 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:34:16 +0100 Message-ID: <340123DB.244B@virgin.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:19:07 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMOS List Subject: Pigs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Does anyone have a sound sample of a pig or similar creature? I've been searching through all sorts of sound archives with no luck. Thanks, -Murray From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 22:40:27 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA27673 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA05265 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05262 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.138]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA09736 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1327049; 25 Aug 97 2:17 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0019a; Mon, 25 Aug 97 02:08:25 GMT Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 02:08:25 GMT Message-Id: <9708250208.AA00199@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24f4aa14.u8t20e.14696-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from Pietro Ghizzoni ) (at Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:34:09 +0100) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: All this talk about a List Game Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id VAA05263 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Pietro, > The idea of a News reader is very good... tin rules. > Thanx ;) I'm sorry for the several postponements of the new version of > the GUI extension... but it's worth to wait for ;) What you will see in the > new version: > - *AGA Screen* Support > - *Public screen* support > - Advanced mouse handling controls > - new gfx commands > - A new version of the *GUI Compiler* ...Yup! > - the usual bug fixes and much more (...30 new commands!) Oooooh... > I've ready some new compiled examples of the new functions of the GUI > Extension ( A public screen manager, and a little paint program) Interesting. > If someone wants betatest them, please send me a message. I'll > spread out these progs between 2 days.. so please send me your request as > soon as possible ;) Sure ! _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "Stay Frosty." |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 25 04:21:39 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA23109 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 04:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA07722 for amos-out; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 03:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA07719 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 03:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA16696 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 03:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31015 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1997 07:54:31 -0000 Received: from herp1-2.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.130) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 25 Aug 1997 07:54:31 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 03:53:45 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: AGA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Has anybody else checked out the AGA AMOS upload to dev/amos on Aminet yet? I noticed it just now, and am going to have a look at it. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 25 05:20:27 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA17079 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 05:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA07897 for amos-out; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 04:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA07894 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 04:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA01436 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 04:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32405 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1997 08:14:13 -0000 Received: from herp1-2.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.130) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 25 Aug 1997 08:14:13 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 04:13:28 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: AGA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: After looking at the archive, it would seem that i is basically nothing more than what we have already seen - a simple copper hack. I already have docs and stuff for doing this, and the amount of code he used to make this one-screen blue rainbow was ridiculous. Anyone know when this so-called AGA extension will actually be released, as lots of people are getting tedious. Hopefully, pietro's AGA in his GUI extension will have more to show. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 25 13:30:58 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22371 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14870 for amos-out; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14867 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16094 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp10-ts1-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.59]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00617 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:26:54 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:22:38 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: The Game Extension.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 24-Aug-97, Peter Cahill wrote: >>CD32 Pad support - all 11 buttons >Good Idea but I havent got a CD32 to test it on 8( >If anyone has a CD32 and would like to test it for >me then just let me know ! Okay, I'll do it. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 25 17:53:27 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07220 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29345 for amos-out; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29287 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2a.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.5]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20717 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1200080; 25 Aug 97 17:58 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0019k; Mon, 25 Aug 97 15:37:12 GMT Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 15:37:12 GMT Message-Id: <9708251537.AA0019j@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24f567a5.u8t20e.9ffdb-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from Cameron James Bonde ) (at Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:58:24 +1000 (EST)) Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: SV: C&C Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svcs1.digex.net id NAA29340 Status: O X-Status: To the one known as Cameron, > um... How about having the basic idea that in the future some bizarre > experiments open up a portal yer average evil parallel universe. Crap? > you bet, but it would allow the game to have 2 completly different sides > & hence would allow both fantasy & sci/fi! Now we are talking.. > Just remember. > - It MUST have multiplayer! AT LEAST 2 player serial link. DEFINATELY. ..a bit of AI wouldn't go amis though. > - Original story lines or original gfx etc don't make an original game. > It's more important to give each unit particular quirks which give them > a firm stategic role. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "When I say run, run." - The Doctor |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 25 19:48:17 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22453 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA06297 for amos-out; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06294 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post7.tele.dk (post7.tele.dk [194.239.134.170]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00786 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post7.tele.dk ([194.239.129.96]) by post7.tele.dk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAB25396 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:23:04 +0100 From: Henrik Andreasen To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:21:37 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: A.W.O.L. Subject: Re: Setpatch/AGA extension MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 21-Aug-97, Henry Sopko wrote: >Hello, > I have two questions. I just got the 3.1 ROM kit and would like to >have the lastest Setpatch version (I have version 40.16). Where can I get >it from? Maybe someone could email it to me? Also, when is the AMOS AGA >Extension going to be released? You can find the lastest version of SetPatch on AI's FTP server at ftp.amiga.de in /pub/Public/publicBETA or if you want, I can mail V43.6 to you. Henrik -- larsa@post7.tele.dk Member of *Team Amiga* http://home7.inet.tele.dk/larsa/frames/ PGP key available on request!!! From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 25 23:05:00 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26336 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA22206 for amos-out; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22203 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.138]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA07306 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab0900530; 26 Aug 97 1:10 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA001a4; Tue, 26 Aug 97 01:12:12 GMT Date: Tue, 26 Aug 97 01:12:12 GMT Message-Id: <9708260112.AA001a3@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24f5ee67.u8t20e.90eca-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Bubba Variables. Status: O X-Status: Any Bubba programmers have any problems with the following variables ?? They almost certianly won't be zero on exiting my routines, but may not object to being non-zero to start. Bubba_FX and Bubba_SP are the sound channels the speech and soundFX come through. 'general globals usable by all. Global SCMODE,XPOS,YPOS,XSIZ,YSIZ,MSPEED,PRC,CPR,CHIP,FAST Global GPATH$,SPATH$,METHOD,SCORE ' arrays and global stuff used by castle assault Dim SPOTX(500),SPOTY(500),OBJ_ADR(100),OBJ_END(100),SPOTTY(500),SPOTTX(500) Shared SPOTX(),SPOTY(),OBJ_ADR(),OBJ_END(),SPOTTY(),SPOTTX() Shared OBJ_CUR,S21,GPOS1,GPOS2,CUR_EXPLOSION Shared REE,H_WAVE,H_WAVE_MAX,SCORE_SND,BUBBA_FX,BUBBA_SP Shared __LAND,__CEILING,__RIGHT,__MAXOBJ ' Stuff used by score bar Shared BULLETS _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "This product has been cruelly tested |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | on cute little furry animals" | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 25 23:51:26 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00150 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA22814 for amos-out; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22811 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (F90.hotmail.com [207.82.250.196]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA11198 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29629 invoked by uid 0); 26 Aug 1997 01:06:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19970826010626.29628.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 147.41.64.63 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:06:26 PDT X-Originating-IP: [147.41.64.63] From: "James Brown" To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Bubba Compatability Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:06:26 PDT Status: O X-Status: Hi, I know originally that Cap'n Bubba was going to be compatible with most amigas, But what are we looking at specificly? The only part of bubba that has compatability problems is the Menu (As it is compiled with the Intuition extention and that needs Kick 2.04 or better.). James - Team *Amos* - amigogcc@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 26 00:47:26 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA13642 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA23184 for amos-out; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23181 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06072 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16859 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:39:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (15273@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA25381 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:39:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id UAA01708 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:39:04 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:39:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@harper.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: Amos List Subject: Amiga 4000/3000 users Alert! Read this!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello, Yeah yeah I hate emails with !Urgent! subjects too, but this is serious, if you don't already know the Real time clock on your machine is a Ni-Cad type and will start leaking after just 2 years, which for most 3000 users means it's been at it for quite some time. It leaks dry but acidic salts which will slowly eat away at you Motherboard if you don't remove it. Even if the battery works it could be leaking, both of mine were, (I own two 3000's great machines ;) ) If you need more info just pass me a line, I successfully removed the battery on both those machines, kills the real time clock but it's a small price, also you can replace the battery if you like, I've been given instructions and part numbers though haven't tried them out, still don't let your machine die losing the clock is a tiny tiny price to pay so don't sit on this! One of my machines has lost it's flicker fixer due to this, although the 15 khtz video still works thankfully. So anyhow jsut let me know if you need/want more info it's pretty important stuff so I don't recommend delaying. Thanks, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 26 07:12:08 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA12793 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA26368 for amos-out; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 05:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA26365 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 05:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCSDEV.MCS.CO.UK (SYSTEM@mcsdev.mcs.co.uk [193.32.50.112]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA16170 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 05:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:59 GMT From: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk) Message-Id: <009B959797AC3F40.8819@mcs.co.uk> To: amos-list@digex.net Subject: Re: Updates needed (Date ?) X-VMS-To: MCSDEV::SMTP%"amos-list@digex.net" Status: O X-Status: Subj: Re: Updates needed (Date ?) Mush wrote.... >Its simple, "its the 23rd day of August, in the year 1997" hehe! I think you missed out the "Anno Domini" part there How about: "It is now the twenty-sixth day in the month of August, in the year nineteen ninety-seven, Anno Domini." That should get rid of all the confusion once and for all. / |\ / \ | \ / / |_/ \_ (Simon Champion) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Armenian Proverb: "The watermelon will not ripen under your armpit." From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 26 08:11:22 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09461 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA26346 for amos-out; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 05:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA26343 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 05:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCSDEV.MCS.CO.UK (SYSTEM@mcsdev.mcs.co.uk [193.32.50.112]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA20990 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 05:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:50 GMT From: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk) Message-Id: <009B9596566F00E0.8D9D@mcs.co.uk> To: amos-list@digex.net Subject: Re: Updates needed (Date ?) X-VMS-To: MCSDEV::SMTP%"amos-list@digex.net" Status: O X-Status: To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subj: Re: Updates needed (Date ?) >>>>Actually, the most logical system for dates is the japenese yy/mm/dd which >>>>makes much more sense using standard numbers. The British system of >>>>dd/mm/yy also makes a lot of sense. As for mm/dd/yy, well. What were they >>>>thinking ? >>>To answer your question they were thinking August 25, 1997 which I think >>>looks a lot better then 25, August 1997. >>Well, it would, but then again, we don't use that. We use 25th August, 1997, The 'th' should be typed, as stated in numerous style guides, but then again, I agree it shouldn't be an issue, so I would vote for an 'US' if day & date are 12 or under. What a lot of fuss over an issue like this! At my work, we supply our software to several countries (including the States), and we use "25-Aug-1997" style for all our dates. It may not be numerical, but it's concise, and immediately obvious what's meant. / |\ / \ | \ / / |_/ \_ (Simon Champion) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on." From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 26 08:51:43 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27181 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA26351 for amos-out; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 05:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA26348 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 05:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCSDEV.MCS.CO.UK (SYSTEM@mcsdev.mcs.co.uk [193.32.50.112]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA20995 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 05:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:51 GMT From: "SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk (Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk) Message-Id: <009B95966B8D3140.8D9D@mcs.co.uk> To: amos-list@digex.net Subject: Re: All this talk of a List Game X-VMS-To: MCSDEV::SMTP%"amos-list@digex.net" Status: O X-Status: To: amos-list@digex.net Subj: Re: All this talk of a List Game >> -A WYSIWIG musical score writer (remember Deluxe Music?). Could be fun to >> write. >Have fun. I'm sure it would be!!! :-) Come on :) take the challenge :)) >> -Or a programmer's Bug Tracking utility? This could provide plenty of scope >> for us. The idea is for a program that makes it easy to report bugs in a >> program when testing, and for the programer to then see what's been reported. >> It also cuts down on duplicated effort, and would allow an team leader to >> decide on priorities for the various problems. Quite a useful program when >> you've got a team of programmers working independantly of each other. >Huh ? Print in the source code ? Log files ? Auto-parsing ? Editor hooks ? Did I not get my idea across here? I'm not talking about a bug fixing tool -- more of a 'bugs database'.... ie: A tester runs the program under test, and finds a bug. He would then load this bugs database (or whatever it'd be called), and creates an entry that explains the bug. Later, the programmer loads the database, and sees that this bug has been logged by the tester, and he goes and fixes it, and marks the database entry as 'fixed'.... where upon the tester knows it's ready to be tested, and can set it to 'failed test' (or possibly 'passed'). If you're planning to release a new version of the program under test, you will have a nice little database with a complete history of bugs and changes, and your users can see instantly whether the bugs they've moaned about are fixed yet. You see..... nothing technical - just a specialied database. But very useful. The hardest part would be to have everyone's database kept up to date... if your programmers/testers/etc are well seperated, you'd need some sort of method of sending the changes in the database entries to everyone. >> -An script generator for the Commodore Installer. In operation, you'd tell >> it to install program X in it's own directory, lib Y in LIBS: etc, and >> it would create a script for the Installer. Do any of us know the script >> language of installer well enough to do this? >YES !!! THIS ONE !!! SMEGGING USEFULL !!!! hehe! I thought so too. I'd love to see this being written. >I think a gadtools or mui based application in amos would stun a lot of >people, particularly when they find out it multitasks.. Huh? Does Amos do MUI too???? (didn't know this -- I'm stunned :-) Seriously, though, Amos *is* capable of any of these ideas, so lets prove that to the rest of the world! :)) Tot Siens! / |\ / \ | \ / / |_/ \_ (Simon Champion) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Smoking is now proved to be one of the leading causes of statistics." From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 26 09:07:51 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06746 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA26942 for amos-out; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26939 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca (uv334@vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca [199.60.222.1]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28403 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uv334@localhost) by vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA03212; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 05:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 05:01:57 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bintz Subject: Miami and Amos To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Does anyone here who use Miami have problems running it with Amos? Whenever I have to work on a 'Net app, Miami will crash after who knows how long. I'm not sure what the problem is. I've removed all my commodities, add-ons, extra devices, and anything else that can cause the problem. I've eliminated Extension after Extension, to no avail. I am thinking I'll have to use the bsdsocket.library, but I'm stumped as to how to use it. I've been using reads and writes to TCP:, but that can get slow and buggy. HELP! #@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@ John C. Bintz - * uv334@freenet.victoria.bc.ca * @#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@#*@# Come Visit Internext Software - the home of great Amiga software! http://www.dragonfire.net/~JohnBintz/inext/inextsoft.html *#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*#@*# From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 26 10:12:15 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28651 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA26868 for amos-out; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA26865 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA00984 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16895 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1997 11:52:39 -0000 Received: from herp1-9.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.137) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 26 Aug 1997 11:52:39 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:51:20 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/3000 users Alert! Read this!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Scott Douglas Matott, who did thus comment on Amiga 4000/3000 users Alert! Read this!! on the night of 25-Aug-97: > Hello, > Yeah yeah I hate emails with !Urgent! subjects too, but this is > serious, if you don't already know the Real time clock on your machine is > a Ni-Cad type and will start leaking after just 2 years, which for most > 3000 users means it's been at it for quite some time. It leaks dry but > acidic salts which will slowly eat away at you Motherboard if you don't > remove it. Even if the battery works it could be leaking, both of mine > were, (I own two 3000's great machines ;) ) If you need more info just > pass me a line, I successfully removed the battery on both those machines, > kills the real time clock but it's a small price, also you can replace the > battery if you like, I've been given instructions and part numbers though > haven't tried them out, still don't let your machine die losing the clock > is a tiny tiny price to pay so don't sit on this! One of my machines has > lost it's flicker fixer due to this, although the 15 khtz video still > works thankfully. So anyhow jsut let me know if you need/want more info > it's pretty important stuff so I don't recommend delaying. I second this action, as the effects can be dangerous if not looked at soon. There is a replacement kit available, which gives you one of those plug-in type phone batteries (rechargeable by the computer) like some PC's use. A lot of cards/accelerators carry BB clocks on them anyway, so its not a major loss to your system. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 26 13:32:31 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26022 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04985 for amos-out; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04982 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08431 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp35-ts2-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.84]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04204 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:03:36 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:57:44 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Miami and Amos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 26-Aug-97, John Bintz wrote: >Does anyone here who use Miami have problems running it with Amos? Nope. I'm writing an IRC bot and have no problmes running Miami and AmIRC with AMOS Pro. >Whenever I have to work on a 'Net app, Miami will crash after who knows >how long. What version? Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 26 14:36:34 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22345 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04980 for amos-out; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04977 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25875 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp35-ts2-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.84]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04201 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:03:32 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:50:13 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19970826010626.29628.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Bubba Compatability MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 25-Aug-97, James Brown wrote: > I know originally that Cap'n Bubba was going to be compatible > with most amigas, But what are we looking at specificly? Your common denominator amiga, 2.0 OS, 1Meg CHIP, some FST, HD (not required but reccomended) > The only part of bubba that has compatability problems is the Menu > (As it is compiled with the Intuition extention and that needs Kick >2.04 > or better.). That can be removed. Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 26 16:19:26 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28589 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04990 for amos-out; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04987 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leary.huron.net (root@leary.huron.net [205.150.207.2]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08456 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golden.net (ppp35-ts2-kw.huron.net [205.150.207.84]) by leary.huron.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04210 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:03:41 -0400 From: "Mr. Giark To You" To: AMOS List Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:02:51 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009B95966B8D3140.8D9D@mcs.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: All this talk of a List Game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 26-Aug-97, Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk wrote: >>I think a gadtools or mui based application in amos would stun a lot of >>people, particularly when they find out it multitasks.. >Huh? Does Amos do MUI too???? (didn't know this -- I'm stunned :-) Yes, using the EasyLife extension, the only FREE extension that has a lot of good commands. (Until the games extension comes out) All: How the freak does the On Break Proc command REALLY work? So far, all it does for me is shut down the Break ability and do nothing else. Also, On Error Proc seems to have no effect on errors at all. They still halt the program. I'd rather not Trap every line, so has anyone managed to get On Error Proc to work? Well met and godspeed, Giark joehick@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~joehick/fbn/index.html ______ ______ _____ .------------------------------------------. / ____/ / __ / / ___ \ ! AMOS games, utilities, demos, etc. ! / /__ / /_/ / / / / / ! ! / ___/ / ___ | / / / / ! CyberSpace BBS (519)579-0072 ! / / / /__/ / / / / / ! on A2000 060/50MHz (519)579-0173 ! /_/ /______/ /_/ /_/ ! ! Fly By Nite Videe-Oh! ! FBN Amiga 500 020 14MHz 1C/5F RAM 3.1OS ! `------------------------------------------' From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 26 22:09:05 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA27042 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA05245 for amos-out; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05242 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (F83.hotmail.com [207.82.250.189]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA18322 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14768 invoked by uid 0); 27 Aug 1997 01:03:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19970827010317.14767.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 147.41.64.63 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:03:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [147.41.64.63] From: "James Brown" To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Bubba Compatability Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:03:15 PDT Status: O X-Status: >On 25-Aug-97, James Brown wrote: >> I know originally that Cap'n Bubba was going to be compatible >> with most amigas, But what are we looking at specificly? > >Your common denominator amiga, 2.0 OS, 1Meg CHIP, some FST, HD (not >required but reccomended) > >> The only part of bubba that has compatability problems is the Menu >> (As it is compiled with the Intuition extention and that needs Kick >> 2.04 or better.). > >That can be removed. Could you? Only problem is that I only have 1.3, and although I'm trying to get a V2 chip, I'm not having much luck. James Brown -- Team *AMOS* -- amigogcc@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 27 01:28:11 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA14736 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA08585 for amos-out; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08581 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.9]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA28596 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mirex.demon.co.uk ([158.152.68.125]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1507496; 27 Aug 97 3:13 BST Received: by mirex.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA001ae; Tue, 26 Aug 97 09:51:23 GMT Date: Tue, 26 Aug 97 09:51:23 GMT Message-Id: <9708260951.AA001ad@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <24f66814.u8t20e.44766-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> Organization: Mirex Software Reply-To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk Website: http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From: Keith Hill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Colours VS Speed. Status: O X-Status: Ok, I have converted the 24bit graphics to 64ehb, and the speed has dropped, down to 4vbl's, 12 frames/second, which is a tad slow for my liking :( Quite a surprising difference considering. I was expecting slightly less difference. Then again, HAM mode is quite ridiculously slow. I want more colours. *HINT* ! I also want to move graphic objects by pointers.. I am therefore forced to apologise, and convert back to 32 colours. This should take about ten minutes... ..except I'll be doing it after I wake up tomorrow. Been up like over 24 hours again. Anyway, slight delay on launch, it'll be worth it, promise. Graphics have been converted, sounds have been added, new bitz have been written, all I need is to organise the flightpaths properly. Auto grabbers will be running, with auto processors, and auto everything else. Preliminary dragon also working. One bug detected, but not located. Useless fact: My Bubba directory is now over 10megs in size, with all the other developers files.. _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "Time paradoxes will have given me |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | a headache" - Aria | --------------+--------------- http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 27 11:57:01 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23169 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17433 for amos-out; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17426 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from audi.dglnet.com.br (root@sp.dglnet.com.br [200.246.231.48]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16781 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:29:59 -0400 (EDT) From: tecnopro@dglnet.com.br Received: from max-pedrada (pm2p26.sp.dglnet.com.br [200.246.57.155]) by audi.dglnet.com.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10001 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:30:34 -0300 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970827102719.00685860@dglnet.com.br> X-Sender: tecnopro@dglnet.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 Demo (32) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:28:17 -0300 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Lost address Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: Hi list people. Due to a computer reformat , my old mails disapeared from the backup misteriously (Pc thing), could you guys that were helping me out on the fight game stuff get in contact? I don't have your email anymore. 'Sorry I forgot you name' said he would like to make a character , still wanna do it?I also said I was going to make a smaller a500 version , so I was just waiting for the joy control to be done to spare some time on that, still wanna see it? See ya! from Erico Monteiro. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 27 13:28:11 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07866 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17466 for amos-out; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17463 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from audi.dglnet.com.br (root@sp.dglnet.com.br [200.246.231.48]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26095 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:30:13 -0400 (EDT) From: tecnopro@dglnet.com.br Received: from max-pedrada (pm2p26.sp.dglnet.com.br [200.246.57.155]) by audi.dglnet.com.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10022 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:30:43 -0300 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970827102822.00693524@dglnet.com.br> X-Sender: tecnopro@dglnet.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 Demo (32) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:28:28 -0300 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: The Game Extension.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: Like you said... >So If anyone has any ideas for commands that they would >like to see just tell me ! An extension that would read all sega joy's buttons would be cool , I have tried the Hercule extension but it dosen't work with my joys correctly. I believe it is because I fixed them to work with Hired Guns , as in the manual it teaches how to convert a few cables inside and make use of all buttons. I'm really tired about the Amiga' game world standard beeing a 2 button pad.Sucks. See ya. from Erico Monteiro. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 27 14:05:23 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25593 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29085 for amos-out; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29082 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from matrix.multiboard.com (root@matrix.multiboard.com [204.191.68.100]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07642 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:01:44 -0400 (EDT) From: chrisevans@cubic.xg.com Received: from cubic.xg.com (multib@localhost) by matrix.multiboard.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with UUCP id MAA15405 for amos-list@access.digex.net; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:05:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: matrix.multiboard.com: multib set sender to cubic.xg.com!chrisevans using -f Received: by bbs.multiboard.com (IG 1.0+ sn 1) via UUCP id AC1B7; 27 Aug 1997 12:00:05 -0500 Date: 27 Aug 97 11:03:00 -0500 Subject: pro compiler vendor To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-ID: <0872683205002cc1b7@bbs.multiboard.com> Organization: Cubic BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario +15196336357 Status: O X-Status: > From: "Martin Karlsson" > I shall see if I can buy the Pro Compiler! Steve at F1 Licenceware in the UK sells it for about 15 pounds. -Chris. /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | The views of the author are not of the originating system | \_______________________________________________________________/ Email: chrisevans@cubic.xg.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 27 14:05:33 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14059 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17481 for amos-out; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17478 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from audi.dglnet.com.br (root@sp.dglnet.com.br [200.246.231.48]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26112 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:30:24 -0400 (EDT) From: tecnopro@dglnet.com.br Received: from max-pedrada (pm2p26.sp.dglnet.com.br [200.246.57.155]) by audi.dglnet.com.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10064 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:31:02 -0300 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970827102842.006af74c@dglnet.com.br> X-Sender: tecnopro@dglnet.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 Demo (32) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:28:45 -0300 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: ........................... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: Hello people! Could we stop this nationalistic talk? I mean , how come you people place 'nation' over youselves? We are all here doing our little things. I find that moust people that blame on others country are the ones who never been there and if these people have been thare they did not manage to adapt , by the way I live in Brazil therefore not taking any sides(Although I have lived in the US for a while but it dosen't mean anything). I would like to ask a favour of you list people , I have made this fight game with amos and I would like to have some comments by you (only three guys replied , thanks man!). The latest version is v0.4 and it is available on the aminet under the game/2play/fight.lha or on my support page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ak/gamecreation/ I'm now to start hand drawing of the final charachters. See ya! >From Erico Monteiro From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 27 17:50:43 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23506 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA07153 for amos-out; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07150 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iol.ie (root@mail2.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.193]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08853 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GPO.iol.ie (root@GPO2.GPO.iol.ie [194.125.2.197]) by mail.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05249 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:34:49 +0100 Received: from iol.ie (dialup-192.dublin.iol.ie [194.125.41.192]) by GPO.iol.ie Sendmail (v8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA13286 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:34:48 +0100 From: Peter Cahill To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:23:21 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <376.7175T1327T2998@lobster.demon.nl> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Evert-Jan Slypen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: Somebody by the name of Evert-Jan Slypen wrote a letter for some reason possibly 'Re: HELP!' and so heres a reply 8) : >On 24-Aug-97 00:49:53 Peter Cahill wrote something about HELP! . >>Hi, >Hi Peter, did you get my music? Or did some server eat it somewhere :/ Yup, I did ! I sent a reply 2 times but my server cant send e-mail to you for some reason 8( Pietro also send the mail to you (I asked him) and Im not sure that you got it 8( I like the music but could you send me it in Protracker so I can see how it suits the game ? (The way it is now I cant load THX2 into AMOS) Ill then send you my comments & suggestions 8) bye, -- Peter Cahill Team *AMOS* ||||||| \ o o / http://www.iol.ie/~cahill4/peter/index.html /\ _ /\ _________________________________________oOo-\ /-oOo_ | | V | | AMINET: | e-mail: | | | cahill4@iol.ie | | game/patch/alfred.lha | | | pix/icon/intel.lha | Current Projects: | | | Pang | | | Independence | |---------------------------------------------------| | | | A1200 030/50Mhz/10Meg/4xCDRom/850MegHD/2 FD | |___________________________________________________| From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 27 19:17:50 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02088 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28444 for amos-out; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28435 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24742 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p55-bunting-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.57.55]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA1560 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:10:55 +0100 Message-ID: <3404D9FC.5329@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:53:00 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMOS List Subject: Re: pro compiler vendor References: <0872683205002cc1b7@bbs.multiboard.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > > I shall see if I can buy the Pro Compiler! > > Steve at F1 Licenceware in the UK sells it for about 15 pounds. F1 has been taken over by 5D. They claim F1 hasn't changed much but it doesn't seem that way to me. More of a slow response time.... -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 27 20:34:46 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23042 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA10458 for amos-out; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10455 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.201.27.131] ([208.201.27.131]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA29256 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.comsoltx.com by [208.201.27.131] via smtpd (for mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) with SMTP; 27 Aug 1997 22:31:50 UT Received: by mail.comsoltx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:40:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ken Axsom To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: FW: Lost address Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:40:39 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_01BCB310.56129BC0" Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BCB310.56129BC0 Content-Type: text/plain > That'd be me! Howz it goin' Tecno? How is the abbreviated > version of Fight? I'd still like to get a swing at it. > Thanks, Ken kaxsom@comsoltx.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: tecnopro@dglnet.com.br [SMTP:tecnopro@dglnet.com.br] > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 8:28 AM > To: amos-list@access.digex.net > Subject: Lost address > > Hi list people. > > Due to a computer reformat , my old mails disapeared from the > backup > misteriously (Pc thing), could you guys that were helping me out on > the > fight game stuff get in contact? I don't have your email anymore. > 'Sorry I forgot you name' said he would like to make a character > , still > wanna do it?I also said I was going to make a smaller a500 version , > so I > was just waiting for the joy control to be done to spare some time on > that, > still wanna see it? > See ya! > > from Erico Monteiro. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BCB310.56129BC0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That'd be me!  Howz it goin' = Tecno? How is the abbreviated
version of Fight?  I'd still = like to get a swing at it.
Thanks, = Ken       kaxsom@comsoltx.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From:   tecnopro@dglnet.com.br = [SMTP:tecnopro@dglnet.com.br]
    Sent:   Wednesday, August 27, 1997 8:28 AM
    To:     amos-list@access.digex.net
    Subject:       = Lost address

            Hi list people.

            Due to a computer reformat , my old mails = disapeared from the backup
    misteriously (Pc = thing), could you guys that were helping me out on the
    fight game stuff = get in contact? I don't have your email anymore.
            'Sorry I forgot you name' said he would like to = make a character , still
    wanna do it?I also = said I was going to make a smaller a500 version , so I
    was just waiting = for the joy control to be done to spare some time on that,
    still wanna see = it?
            See ya!

            from Erico Monteiro.

------ =_NextPart_001_01BCB310.56129BC0-- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 28 20:52:35 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14473 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA13614 for amos-out; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13607 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from matrix.multiboard.com (root@matrix.multiboard.com [204.191.68.100]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19760 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:01:53 -0400 (EDT) From: cevans@bbs.multiboard.com Received: from bbs.multiboard.com (multib@localhost) by matrix.multiboard.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with UUCP id RAA01553 for amos-list@access.digex.net; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:05:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: matrix.multiboard.com: multib set sender to bbs.multiboard.com!cevans using -f Received: by bbs.multiboard.com (IG 1.0+ sn 1) via UUCP id AD5B5; 28 Aug 1997 17:00:18 -0500 Date: 28 Aug 97 16:00:00 -0500 Subject: new F1 owner, and goodbye To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-ID: <0872787618002cd5b5@bbs.multiboard.com> Organization: Multiboard Communications Status: O X-Status: Hi AMOSers, I just heard from Andy Gibson, past editor of the best AMOS disk mag ever to live and die [AMOSzine], that Steve Bye has sold F1 Licenceware and broken up with his wife Belinda :-( Steve does not have his e-mail account anymore (nor his modem). He sold F1 to Phil, owner of 5D Licenceware, at: phil@ware5d.demon.co.uk Presumably Phil is still selling the Pro Compiler. And I'm off to univ (Computer Science) this Monday, so I'll be unsubscribing from the List in a day or 2. Thx to all who bought the coverdisks and AMOS mag disks, according to my records everyone got their stuff, and all your cheques were good :-) AMOS has been a blast, PC coding is a nightmare, even with the right extensions. Messages to this address will get forwarded to me. Stay cool and loose, be good to each other, AMOS rules where fun is king. -Chris Evans. CEvans@bbs.multiboard.com From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 28 21:35:45 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16148 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21404 for amos-out; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21401 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m6.sprynet.com (m6.sprynet.com [165.121.1.89]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA05465 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sprynet.com (ragriffi@dd77-090.dub.compuserve.com [199.174.168.90]) by m6.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA05963 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:36:53 -0700 From: Richard Griffith Reply-To: Richard Griffith To: AMOS mailing list Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:32:55 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199708281429.QAA11451@mailbox.hogia.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: . (Segue to Amos) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-Status: After a great deal of dribble, the popular opinion is >> Well I think this thread has really gone on for long enough. Patriotisim aside, the beginnings of this 'discussion' had a few points worth noting, even on a programming-language-list. Cultural difference can be extreme even when language is not a primary issue. As the Amiga community is very much an international one, it is well worth paying attention to details which might dimminish the value of your creations when (not if) they pass over the border. One man's humor can be another's bewilderment, or even rage. I can be quite costly to gain an international perspective, and even more costly to ignore it. I guess that idea for a game where you play an air-conditioning repair man in an August heatwave might need more work ;^) While we're near the subject, does anyone know an extention that supports the locale.library? -Richard From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 28 21:51:08 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27289 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA05556 for amos-out; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05549 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from audi.dglnet.com.br (root@sp.dglnet.com.br [200.246.231.48]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16062 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:30:58 -0400 (EDT) From: tecnopro@dglnet.com.br Received: from max-pedrada (pm2p10.sp.dglnet.com.br [200.246.57.139]) by audi.dglnet.com.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08637 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:31:40 -0300 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970828172842.0068a950@dglnet.com.br> X-Sender: tecnopro@dglnet.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 Demo (32) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:29:22 -0300 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Project Information & History Page Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: Hi Mush!(oops forgot to send it to the amos list!) Sorry it took time for me to read this, you are all probably tired of hearing about my game, it is just that no one but a few(4) people gave me any feedback... So here goes my project stuff: >One of the features I would like to restart on my homepages, is like an >index of all the currently under-way projects actively undertaken by >members on the list. This is great!! >I would like to hear from *Everyone* on the project they are working on, >with a bit of detail about the project, such as when you expect it to be >released, how much it will cost (if its shareware) etc. If you have a piece >of text about it already on a homepage somewhere, Id like the URL too. My current project is a fight game(King of fighter a like) it features: -8 different fighters.(not in the demo but done) -Two screens scroling arena. -A lot of backgrounds.(not in the demo but done) -12 standard moves per player. -6 different unique special moves per player.(not counting secret ones) -2 player bout game. -1 player story game.(not in the demo but done, just a single player vs computer on current demo) -Very intriguing Artificial Inteligence, set to make all computer players the best on its style. -AI on level 2 of learning. -32 colours -Great cartoon style GFX (working on that, 50% complete, not in the current demo) -Fully joy control, needs only 1 button now.Features the Tecnique(special) Position concept. -Should run on any a500 with at least 2mb, fast memory INCREDIBLY helps on speed. -Nice SFX, including lots of talks and so on.(not in the demo, 20%done) It is expected to be released I believe in a month or two, it will depend on my current negociations with magazines to help call atention to my future commercial ones.It will be freeware. I run a homepage dedicated to the making of our projects, it location is: http://www.angelfire.com/ak/gamecreation/ You can download the latest demo from there or from Aminet under game/2play/fight.lha , there are screen shots there but they are a bit updated.If you get to see and play it, please add to your amos page. >Please get back to me about your comments via the list, so we can all share >your comments/critisisms That is it, see ya! from Erico Monteiro From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 29 01:15:07 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA13210 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 01:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA25250 for amos-out; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25247 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA27259 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28460 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1997 03:05:09 -0000 Received: from lp10-21.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.86.181) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 1997 03:05:09 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:03:46 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: . (Segue to Amos) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Richard Griffith, who did thus comment on Re: . (Segue to Amos) on the night of 28-Aug-97: > While we're near the subject, does anyone know an extention that > supports the locale.library? I have one which is called Locale Extension, I shall email it to you personally. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 29 01:44:26 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA15940 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 01:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA25264 for amos-out; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25261 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA10380 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30333 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1997 03:13:32 -0000 Received: from lp10-21.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.86.181) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 1997 03:13:32 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:12:10 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: The End of the World MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-Status: I guess if you people are reading this in the morning, then it was all a huge lie! All those inspiring sci-fi fans know that tonight is one of the nights in film industry, when the world ends. On Aughust 29 1997, at 2:14am Eastern time, the Skynet launches it missiles against the targets in russia, in which a counterattack eliminates all of its enemies over here. I guess if you are reading this after that time, that dude who came back in time in Terminator was lying! ;) Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From SWOOD@CSI.CompuServe.COM Thu Aug 28 12:26:57 1997 Received: from hil-img-10.compuserve.com (hil-img-10.compuserve.com [149.174.177.140]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19721 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.5) id MAA26210 for amos-request@access.digex.net; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: 28 Aug 97 12:25:23 EDT From: Steve Wood To: "'Amos-Request'" Subject: ASM code in AMOS Message-ID: Status: O X-Status: Help! Can anyone give me some tips on including ASM code in my Amos proggies. I understand that I need to place the code in a bank. But then what do I do with it. BTW: New amiga web site below. Go look at it. Bit basic now but will grow!!!!! Steve W Interface Products Specialist (UK) My web site: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/wodys_world/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 17:41:37 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13503 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01480 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01477 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23768 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p09-pigeon-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.72.9]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA20301; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:19:50 +0100 Message-ID: <3400E561.770C@virgin.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:52:33 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Karlsson , AMOS List Subject: Re: SV: C&C Update References: <199708241429.QAA31478@mailbox.hogia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: > Both have advantages and disadvantages. If we start with a Fantasy game and > itīs turn out to be good, then we can do a SF game. But I agree with Murray > on some parts! The game canīt be just a copy of warcraft, even if some > parts is in same style. But I donīt think that C&C is a better game than > Warcraft 2, even if I love explosions ;-). If we do a fantasy type of game, > we have to add some new > functions and ideas. I was taking a look at the ideas on the list web page and it seemed that the "original ideas" were doing the same thing that I'd "suggested" :) would be a problem for a fantasy game. It was packed full of wierd and wonderful spells so that you'd have to spend ages understanding what they all do to make use of them... -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 18:41:18 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22680 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01511 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01508 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27398 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p09-pigeon-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.72.9]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA20162; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:19:21 +0100 Message-ID: <3400E490.2D36@virgin.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:49:04 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Karlsson , AMOS List Subject: Re: SV: Compiler problems!!! References: <199708241429.QAA31481@mailbox.hogia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: > > > >Load iff "HD1:H&H/IFF/Block.IFF",1 > > > >and I canīt found out why!? > > > Load Iff doesn't need the ,1 > The only message I get is "Illegal function called!". The screen no 1 is > open, the file Block.IFF exist and the code runs perfect in the editor. So > I donīt know why it give me Illegal funktion called!? I write the code in > AMOS Pro, but compiled it with the compiler for AMOS (classic), and the > code worked fine in the 1.34 editor? Do you know if it could be some > problem between AMOS Pro and the compiler for AMOS classic? I think that I > shall get my hands on a copy of Amos Compiler pro ;-). I think AMOS classic compiler has problems with file names does it? (long time since I used it though) Try moving the file to RAM or somewhere simpler and change it to Load IFF "RAM:Block.IFF",1 Oh and you don't need to open screen 1 first becasue including the ,1 means it automatically reopens screen1 with the correct specs. The pic isn't AGA either is it? -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 25 01:52:35 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA20342 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 01:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA06659 for amos-out; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA06656 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lawson.appcomp.utas.edu.au (cbonde@lawson.appcomp.utas.edu.au [144.6.40.16]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16306 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cbonde@localhost) by lawson.appcomp.utas.edu.au (8.8.4/8.7.1) id OAA12194; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:58:25 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:58:24 +1000 (EST) From: Cameron James Bonde To: Martin Karlsson cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: SV: C&C Update In-Reply-To: <199708241429.QAA31478@mailbox.hogia.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: um... How about having the basic idea that in the future some bizarre experiments open up a portal yer average evil parallel universe. Crap? you bet, but it would allow the game to have 2 completly different sides & hence would allow both fantasy & sci/fi! Just remember. - It MUST have multiplayer! AT LEAST 2 player serial link. - Original story lines or original gfx etc don't make an original game. It's more important to give each unit particular quirks which give them a firm stategic role. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Cameron Bonde http://www.appcomp.utas.edu.au/students/cbonde/index.html cbonde@lawson.appcomp.utas.edu.au ICQ = 2378404 ### Check out my original Mp3's! K2000 & SY85 ### From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 19 01:29:33 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29691 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA17444 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA17441 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc.seflin.org (a007193t@bc.seflin.org [199.227.192.20]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02136 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from a007193t@localhost) by bc.seflin.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA29335; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:51:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:51:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Hyland Subject: Re: Updates needed (Date ?) To: Keith Hill cc: amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: <9708190013.AA0016a@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Keith Hill wrote: > Ok, as previously announced, the new Castle Assault will be sent to Giark on > 25/8/97, exactly one month after the old one.. I hope you'll like the [SNIP] > _ _ _ _ _ _ | > |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | New personal homepage available now > |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | on my website. Is this the euro standard date system dy/mo/yr 25/08/97 ? It should be mo/dy/yr 08/25/97. Eric Hyland a007193t@bc.seflin.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 00:11:35 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA21624 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13290 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13282 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc.seflin.org (a007193t@bc.seflin.org [199.227.192.20]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA10820 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from a007193t@localhost) by bc.seflin.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA10795; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:43:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Hyland Subject: Re: Updates needed (Date ?) To: Keith Hill cc: amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: <9708220111.AA0017n@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Keith Hill wrote: > To the one known as Eric, > > > Actually, the most logical system for dates is the japenese yy/mm/dd which > > > makes much more sense using standard numbers. The British system of > > > dd/mm/yy also makes a lot of sense. As for mm/dd/yy, well. What were they > > > thinking ? > > To answer your question they were thinking August 25, 1997 which I think > > looks a lot better then 25, August 1997. > > Well, it would, but then again, we don't use that. We use 25th August, 1997, > which looks a lot better than August 25th, 1997. The th is implied, and should not be typed, and I still disagree, but style shouldn't be the issue it should be clarity, and to that extent I'd suggest using a UK after the date especially if both day, and date are 12 or under. Eric Hyland a007193t@bc.seflin.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 00:33:37 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24390 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA02507 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02499 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA16529 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2181 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1997 12:33:01 -0000 Received: from lp3-7.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.86.199) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 21 Aug 1997 12:33:01 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Keith Hill CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 08:16:18 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24ecc93a.u8t20e.c2690-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Volume.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Keith Hill, who did thus comment on Volume.. on the night of 18-Aug-97: > Question 1: > Can you change the volume of samples played back in amos ?? > Question 2: > How do you change the volume of samples played back in amos ?? Doesnt MVolume do this? I think Mvolume and Volume use the same thing, but not sure. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 01:11:14 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA21745 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19271 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19267 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc.seflin.org (a007193t@bc.seflin.org [199.227.192.20]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA07861 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from a007193t@localhost) by bc.seflin.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA13878; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:40:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:40:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Hyland Subject: Re: Updates needed (Date ?) To: Keith Hill cc: amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: <9708191523.AA0016z@mirex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Keith Hill wrote: > To the one known as Eric, > > > On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Keith Hill wrote: > > > > > Ok, as previously announced, the new Castle Assault will be sent to Giark on > > > 25/8/97, exactly one month after the old one.. I hope you'll like the > > Is this the euro standard date system dy/mo/yr 25/08/97 ? > > I live in England, so I'm using the British standard for dates. > > > It should be mo/dy/yr 08/25/97. > > Ok, I can release it in 17 months time if you like.. > > Actually, the most logical system for dates is the japenese yy/mm/dd which > makes much more sense using standard numbers. The British system of > dd/mm/yy also makes a lot of sense. As for mm/dd/yy, well. What were they > thinking ? > _ _ _ _ _ _ | > |_> |_| |_| |\ | |_ | | | / | | "Slide show boring - losing conciousness" > |_> | \ | | | \| |_ |_ |_| \_ . | - The Tick > | > --------------+--------------- > http://www.mirex.demon.co.uk To answer your question they were thinking August 25, 1997 which I think looks a lot better then 25, August 1997. Eric Hyland a007193t@bc.seflin.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 02:28:32 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA19629 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16913 for amos-out; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16910 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04425 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p55-meadowlark-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.69.235]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA24187; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:17:12 +0100 Message-ID: <33FA0CF5.6487@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:15:33 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk, AMOS List Subject: Re: Chip Mem References: <24ecad4a.u8t20e.2498e-Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > Yeah, but how many colours you using ? What sample rates ? Full screen > games were written on 8 bit computers in less than 16k, but you'd look at > them today, and think, hmmm. 32 colours but just imagine the troubles I'd have if it was to be 256 colour AGA. > Look at the game again, you'll spot the cracks.. Then again, they are great > games, so what's it matter. Use the extra mem & processor speed, we are > programming here for the future, not the past ! Well, unfortunatly I don't even have the extra processor speed myself... -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 18:18:50 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19544 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01466 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01463 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23438 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p09-pigeon-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.72.9]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA20024; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:18:57 +0100 Message-ID: <3400E27B.55AE@virgin.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:40:11 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Cahill , AMOS List Subject: Re: The Game Extension.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > So If anyone has any ideas for commands that they would > like to see just tell me ! Heres a few suggestions. Some may be impractical though, but anyway... -Faster bob system. -Bob collision system that goes on size of bobs so is a bit less accurate but much faster. -Fast paste icon commands which actually work. -Draw Bob N -Clear Bob N -Screen Swap N -More Accurate X mouse, Y mouse commands so that they work on hires interlace etc. -Fixing the incredible annoying bob thing where if you do "Bob Off 1 : Bob 1,X,Y,I" then Bob 1 is correctly displayed on the NEXT bob draw command rather than the one AFTER next.... if you get my meaning. -Commands to draw a bob all in a certain colour. e.g. to make an object flash when it is shot. -Load JPEG -Load GIF -Paste Bob which takes into account the hot spot of the image. -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 26 17:40:19 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01103 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12312 for amos-out; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12305 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08901 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p02-emu-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.61.62]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA19505; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:06:31 +0100 Message-ID: <3403745F.636F@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:27:11 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Cahill , AMOS List Subject: Re: The Game Extension.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > >-Fast paste icon commands which actually work. > I have no probs with the current amos ones but Ill try ! They are quite slow. Some extensions (I think Turbo) gave faster commands but they often caused the screen to get corrupted so weren't much use. > >-Draw Bob N > Whats the diffrence from paste bob ? Paste Bob doesn't take into account hotspots and most importantly, paste bob doesn't remember the background underneath the bob so that clear bob replaces it. > >-Clear Bob N > please explain more Draw Bob goes through ALL the bobs and remembers what the screen is like underneath them and then draws each of them. Clear Bob replaces ALL the bobs by what was previously underneath them. I would like to be able to specify which bobs to do this with. Actually more control all together would be nice. More specific commands like Memorize Bob Background N and Replace Bob background N. > >-Screen Swap N > Amos has this ! (but if you want a new one then just say !) Does it? God it does! All these years and I never knew it existed.... > >-More Accurate X mouse, Y mouse commands so that they work on hires interlace > >etc. > Easy Peasy - Ill have this in it ! And how about a version of change mouse N which doesn't take ages to perform. Try changing mouse in the middle of a fast game and you get a very noticable speed loss for a moment. > >-Fixing the incredible annoying bob thing where if you do "Bob Off 1 : Bob > >1,X,Y,I" then Bob 1 is > >correctly displayed on the NEXT bob draw command rather than the one AFTER > >next.... if you get my > >meaning. > hmmm - Im not sure what you mean here but I think I know what you mean > do you mean that amos doesnt update the bobs exactly when it runs > the command to ? > If this is it Ill fix it ! try this program: Default Get Bob 1,0,0 to 8,8 Cls 0 Bob 1,100,100,1 Wait Key Bob Off 1 ----} Most important bits Bob 1,100,100,1 ----} Wait key At the end, no bob is displayed. Of course there a ways around this but it all takes up valuable time, especially for a game. > >-Load JPEG > >-Load GIF > I havent used either of these before but > Ill think that I can do it ! > (It will use datatypes) Load PNG too I suppose. > >-Paste Bob which takes into account the hot spot of the image. > OK > Why would you want to do this though ? Well using Hanger 18 as an example seen as you know about that.... The gun shots are pasted bobs. Now the hot spots of these bob would be in the middle and the position I specify is where the gunshot wants to be (i.e. the middle of the gun shot needs to be at X,Y) so I actually have to do Paste Bob X-HX,Y-HY,I where HX and HY are the hotspots. So now I have to record all of the hotspot positions of any image I may wish to use. This process is also used for the blood, the damage on the walls, some dead bodies and all sorts. I can either deek the hot spots out of the bank or manually recover them but either way a simple command would be a lot easier and perhaps faster. Oh and heres one more I think I missed out. X=Bob X Hot Spot(N) Y=Bob Y Hot Spot(N) easier than deeking it... > PS: Hanger 18 is brilliant ! Cheers. The sequals looking up too. -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 25 07:43:56 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA15119 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 07:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA09005 for amos-out; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 06:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA09002 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 06:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.hogia.net (mailbox.hogia.net [195.100.64.5]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA02494 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 06:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mkn.hogia.se (MKN.hogia.se [195.78.137.68]) by mailbox.hogia.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA06525; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:57:27 +0200 Message-Id: <199708251057.MAA06525@mailbox.hogia.net> From: "Martin Karlsson" To: "Cameron James Bonde" Cc: Subject: Re: SV: C&C Update Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:52:56 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: Cameron James Bonde write: > um... How about having the basic idea that in the future some bizarre > experiments open up a portal yer average evil parallel universe. Crap? > you bet, but it would allow the game to have 2 completly different sides > & hence would allow both fantasy & sci/fi! Thatīs funny! I have almost the same idea. I was insperated by the comic "Mutant Chronicels" which is a great comic. The idea was something like this: In the future something happens that open a "gate" between our and "the dark dimension". Hordes of demons and evil creatures strikes the earth. Million of humans are given a painful death. The last hope stands to the church. The church have different types of characters: 1. Crusaders - Warriors with powerful weapons. Those guys is a sort of marines, ranger troops. 2. Priests - They can be used in combat, but most to put bless and spells on troops. 3. Exorcists - A small mystic unit that consist of a few men. The exorcists are used for special missions to fight evil and powerful demons. 4. Prophets - Holy men which can see into the future and give useful advises. 5. Cardinal - A kind of warlord. Stands direct under the pope 6. The Pope - The leader of the church. He have a "government" that help him with advises. This was the basic idea! It open a lots of doors for other possibilities You can add rebelgroups and mercs. A black church that support the demons. Weapons could be everything from swords to laserguns. Spells and powerful weapons could both be used. The Demons can be formed however you want. And best of all it can put you in scary dark atmosphere. What do you think? Martin Karlsson From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 28 15:06:38 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08572 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29868 for amos-out; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29865 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.hogia.net (mailbox.hogia.net [195.100.64.5]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00519 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mkn.hogia.se (MKN.hogia.se [195.78.137.68]) by mailbox.hogia.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA11448; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:29:51 +0200 Message-Id: <199708281429.QAA11448@mailbox.hogia.net> From: "Martin Karlsson" To: Cc: Subject: Re: pro compiler vendor Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:08:56 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: ---------- > From: chrisevans@cubic.xg.com > To: amos-list@access.digex.net > Subject: pro compiler vendor > Date: den 27 augusti 1997 18:03 > > > From: "Martin Karlsson" > > I shall see if I can buy the Pro Compiler! > > Steve at F1 Licenceware in the UK sells it for about 15 pounds. > -Chris. Thanks! Nice price.... Martin Karlsson From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 28 17:02:00 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19749 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10335 for amos-out; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10332 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [194.129.188.3]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11056 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paston.co.uk ([194.129.188.201]) by red.paston.co.uk with SMTP id <843452-12679>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:11:30 +0100 From: Ben Wyatt To: chrisevans@cubic.xg.com, AMOS Mailing List Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:56:43 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0872683205002cc1b7@bbs.multiboard.com> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: F1 Software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 27-Aug-97, chrisevans@cubic.xg.com sat on a keyboard and produced this mess: > > From: "Martin Karlsson" > > I shall see if I can buy the Pro Compiler! > Steve at F1 Licenceware in the UK sells it for about 15 pounds. F1 is no longer run by Steve. 5D Licenseware (phil@ware5d.demon.co.uk) has taken it over. Bye ____________________________________________________ / \ / Ben Wyatt - bwyatt@paston.co.uk or b.wyatt@uea.ac.uk \ \ http://www.paston.co.uk/users/bwyatt/index.html / \____________________________________________________/ (c)1995-97 Very Interesting Signatures Ltd. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Aug 22 23:57:31 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19234 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02958 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02951 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hil-img-9.compuserve.com (hil-img-9.compuserve.com [149.174.177.139]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25757 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.5) id MAA29059; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: 20 Aug 97 12:36:14 EDT From: Steve Wood To: "'Declan_Gorman@modusmedia.com'" , "'INTERNET:amos-list@access.digex.net'" Subject: RE: Editor Problems Message-ID: Status: O X-Status: Well first of all what extensions have you added? And are they AMOS Pro or Classic? Once we know that we will be in a better position to help. Steve W -----Original Message----- From: Declan_Gorman@modusmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 4:30 AM To: INTERNET:amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Editor Problems Hi, I have added a couple new extensions to my configuration and ever since my editor has been acting funny....I cannot move down the screen using the down arrow key. Has anyone else come across this problem and if so how did you overcome it, I am using V1.0 by the way. Thanks. Declan. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 18:46:05 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23175 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01172 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01169 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA22192 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 500 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1997 18:53:52 -0000 Received: from herp1-45.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.173) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 24 Aug 1997 18:53:52 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Pietro Ghizzoni , Amos-List Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:54:12 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: All this talk about a List Game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Pietro Ghizzoni, who did thus comment on Re: All this talk about a List Game on the night of 24-Aug-97: > The idea of a News reader is very good... Yes, it would be good for several programmers to work on, as they could each work on a different segment of a program, such as reading, writing, posting, disk access etc. > Thanx ;) I'm sorry for the several postponements of the new version of > the GUI extension... but it's worth to wait for ;) What you will see in the > new version: > - *AGA Screen* Support Wahay!! AGA Support of some kind. At least that this AGA is available almost immediately, and were not constantly put back with the release of this other talked-about AGA extension. > - *Public screen* support Good, about time. > - Advanced mouse handling controls cool > - new gfx commands Ahhh, > - A new version of the *GUI Compiler* ...Yup! Hmm, not really used the old compiler much, mind you, havent compiled for a final release as such with it yet. There were a couple of things I wanted to put in the compiler, maybe i'll have a look at the new one when it comes out. > - the usual bug fixes and much more (...30 new commands!) hehe, seems the more debugging we do, the more bugs we have to fix =) > I've ready some new compiled examples of the new functions of the GUI > Extension ( A public screen manager, and a little paint program) Yes, you sent me these a few weeks ago. People who are reading this, the Screen Manager is excellent, as is the paint program. there is no possible way to see that it was done in AMOS, especially with the drawing routines that it has. =)) Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 02:27:37 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA02598 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16870 for amos-out; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16863 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29194 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p55-meadowlark-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.69.235]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA24148; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:17:02 +0100 Message-ID: <33FA0B28.4CF5@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:07:52 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Templeton, Jeremy" , AMOS List Subject: Re: Chip Mem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > Well, the music takes almost no memory up at all, and is stored with > more than one module in each file, so the samples aren't using as much > memory as they would if each mod had it's own and all the samples are > the basic same lot for each song, monkey island uses the same method. I Well, yes..... but big deal. I know the music code itself doesn't use up much mem but obviuosly the samples must do. > presume the gfx are all repeated blocks taken from a graphics bank and > read from data, so I guess they wouldn't use much either. Well, yes..... as do all scrolling games including mine but it must use a VAST ammount of blocks to create the massive maps without making them look blocky. The main thing is still the ammount of character and baddie graphics. -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 15:46:07 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04153 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28188 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28185 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (mail3.geocities.com [204.7.246.133]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22746 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acer-200 (tul-ok3-17.ix.netcom.com [204.31.234.113]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA08604; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 10:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708241750.KAA08604@geocities.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Parrott" Organization: Parrottsoft, Ltd. To: "Mr. Giark To You" Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:49:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Patience Giark.. Reply-to: parrottsoft@usa.net CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Status: O X-Status: Greetings. Nice touch with the "Tommorrow for sure", Giark. Have a bit of patience, will you? hehe, I know this is asking alot of you, but try it once in awhile. I'm sure you'll like it. :) Anyhow, the reason I didn't get my level out when I wanted is because I ran into a little trouble trying to convert all that crappy C++ and PEECEE Asm to AMOS. I've remedied the solution (and have studied up enough on equations, algorithms, and ways to do) and know enough to rewrite my engine (which I'm speaking in past tense, I've already rewritten it). I think you'll be happy to know that the level is on it's way! I know I said that before, but that was with a degree of uncertainity. Btw, for those interested, I'm still gonna be converting the ACK-3D engine (which I've been converting), just mixed with some Amiga ASM and some of my own touches. This will be later on in a later version of the Cafe engine, AFTER the List game. Dictatorship (n): a form of government under which everything which is not prohibited is compulsory. Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@usa.net, work: parrottsoft@usa.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 23:37:29 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA22331 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA05454 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05451 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc.seflin.org (a007193t@bc.seflin.org [199.227.192.20]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA00441 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from a007193t@localhost) by bc.seflin.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA02061; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:33:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:33:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Hyland Subject: Re: The Game Extension.... To: "Mr. Giark To You" cc: AMOS List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 24 Aug 1997, Mr. Giark To You wrote: > On 24-Aug-97, Peter Cahill wrote: > >So If anyone has any ideas for commands that they would > >like to see just tell me ! > > CD32 Pad support - all 11 buttons [SNIP] > Well met and godspeed, > Giark What about multi-button combinations every button can be combined with every other button, and the directional pad. Eric Hyland a007193t@bc.seflin.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 28 19:03:29 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04592 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12993 for amos-out; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12990 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.inet.tele.dk (relay2.inet.tele.dk [194.182.149.120]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA21749 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22782 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1997 19:03:41 -0000 Received: from post8.tele.dk (194.239.134.172) by relay2.inet.tele.dk with SMTP; 28 Aug 1997 19:03:41 -0000 Received: from post8.tele.dk ([194.239.180.39]) by post8.tele.dk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA26760; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:02:31 +0100 From: Jens Vang Petersen To: "Mr. Giark To You" CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:03:28 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: All this talk of a List Game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 28-Aug-97, Mr. Giark To You smashed the keyboard with: >>^use 'On Error On' to start the error-catch >I thought it might be something like that. Thanks. Ups, I'm wrong that command does not exist in AMOS.. The 'On Error Proc procedure_name' should activate the errorcatch whithout any further problems, sorry about that.. Use 'On Error' alone to disable the errorcatch Oh, forgot to write that when you leave your error-procedure (if you're going back to the program, then you MUST use 'Resume' (this will make a retry where it went wrong) or 'Resume Next' to jump to the command after the one that caused the error. Also remember that you can get the error values in '=Errn' (errornumber is returned), and when you test your procedure you can write 'Error nr' to make an error in your program, another usefull constant is the 'Err$(n)' arrey, here you can get the error-strings (as shown by AMOS) -- Happy greetings, Yours.. __________________________________________________________________________ /_ __/ __ / __ /\ ___\ __ \__ _\ aka. JENS VANG PETERSEN / / / /_/ / ____/ \ \___\ __ \ \ \ Nyvej 8, DK-4450 Jyderup, Denmark /_/ /_____/_/ \_____\_\ \_\ \_\ top_cat@post8.tele.dk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- fortune: No such file or directory -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Aug 18 08:52:11 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21677 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA07507 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 07:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07504 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 07:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.hogia.net (mailbox.hogia.net [195.100.64.5]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA26163 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 07:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mkn.hogia.se (MKN.hogia.se [195.78.137.68]) by mailbox.hogia.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA25160; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:00:02 +0200 Message-Id: <199708181100.NAA25160@mailbox.hogia.net> From: "Martin Karlsson" To: "Rune J. Keller" Cc: Subject: Re: C&C/WarCraft Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:54:24 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: > I'm the one who runs the web page for the 2. list game: The C&C/WarCraft game. > > I started out very optimistic with this thing; loads of people seemed to be > interested and the first list game worked out pretty well. Thus I made up some > code and ideas for this game and announced the page together with Laurie > Curwood, asking for any ideas, comments, code or gfx. Anything. > > About 1 1/2 months has passed since, and I have got ABSOLUTELY NO response, > except from ONE guy who wanted to do some gfx (I just forgot your name! Still > working on it?) Can I be the one you mean,"Martin Karlsson" ? I came home from my holiday this weekend and have been away for a while, Guess if I have some mail to read ;-) about 300 I think!!! I have made some gfx in 256 colors, as we said. Itīs not plenty but a good start I think!? I think that this game could be great and I would really like to continue to work with it! I can send you some gfx this evening/night if you want!? Martin Karlsson bobba@mailbox.hogia.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 02:11:12 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA29958 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04709 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04702 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17663 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p59-guan-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.64.119]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA22075; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:27:56 +0100 Message-ID: <33FA6F0B.6948@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:14:03 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rune J. Keller" , AMOS List Subject: Re: C&C Update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > We are just looking for ideas on what the game should be like. Fantasy/SciFi > style, multiplayer support, I-Net support and so on. A few of my ideas are > available at the web-page. Please send me yours! What should the game be like? I vote for Scifi. Gives alot of scope for creating anything you want. > One graphician are currently working (Martin Karlsson) and more are needed. We > need sfx, music and levels. Please tell me what you can contribute with. We > need everything! I can do some programming. I took a look at the graphics. 1. They are truely excellent! 2. They are in 256 colours! No AGA extension yet though. (only about 2 months late) 3. They look liek they are lifted dirrectly out of warcraft. As I kept whining on about in previous posts, surely this is NOT the way to go!!! I think there is a proper conversion of warcraft 2 being made on the amiga anyway so lets not duplicate it again. > If you have not got access to the web-page yet and want to; please reply on > this message. Oh, and I have access except I'm not on the list on your page (Laurie Curwood gave me the URL) -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 02:18:50 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00853 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06368 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06359 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21389 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p33-kestrel-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.66.213]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA4588; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:39:30 +0100 Message-ID: <33FB9896.4B73@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:23:34 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rune J. Keller" , AMOS List Subject: Re: C&C Update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > >I vote for Scifi. Gives alot of scope for creating anything you want. > > That's a question of taste. I think you can get anything you want and more > with fantasy. Magic! Partly to do with taste but its more than that. Pick up a sci fi game and anyone knows what a laser will do. Pick up a fantasy game and only D&D fans know what a Morph Beholder spell will do. In my (much) younger days I used to play alot of that sort of thing and have even made fantasy games myself (Chaos) but I'm afriad now a days, I'm instantly put off by most of them. Warcraft 2 is OK but compared to command and conquer it's dull. Big guns and explosions are more fun and spectacular than swords and sorcery any day. But, I'm aware its not my decision so lets see how the other voters (if there are any!) go. > Good, al though I guess it is not necessary at this stage... You could come up > with some fast map-displayer though? That would be really useful! Well I'd have to know a fair bit more about game details before I'd like to start anything. Also, if we started it without the AGA extension and then found out we needed a complete rewrite, it'd be pretty annoying. WHERE THE HELL IS THE AGA EXTENSION???? Personally, I'm on holidays now and could make good use of it. 3 weeks time and I'm back to Uni and will be more interested in alcohol than AGA (oh and studying too.... :] ) -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 02:22:44 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA01342 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA00838 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00810 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20435 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p18-curlew-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.60.18]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA16696; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:57:12 +0100 Message-ID: <33FBC5F3.5E8@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:37:07 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rune J. Keller" , AMOS List Subject: Re: C&C Update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > I see your point. We must try to make it easy-to-get-to for non D&D fans > aswell. After all the situation would be the same for scifi. Anyone would know > what a fireball, lightning bolt, healing etc etc is. Well I still disagree but it doesn't matter, I'm sure we could come up with pluses and minuses to each idea forever... > Well, eg a fireball would create a nice explosion! Yes, but unless EVERYONE in the game has fireballs and not just wizards, then its not... sorry, there I go again. > As said, it seems that fantasy seems to be most popular yet. I think 3-4 > people wanted fantasy. Well OK. Who are these people? Are they intending on helping with the game? In what way? > We all would. COME UP WITH SOME MORE IDEAS! OK. As I've said numerous times, I'm not happy at all unless it really is something new and different. I've had a quick think and maybe this can start off a few ideas spread around. How about we take a new viewpoint. You play a race of dragons.... No actually I've just had a better idea. Remember mega-lo-mania? You evolved your little men through the ages from sticks and stones to nuclear weapons by inventing things. We could do a similar thin except on a warcraft style map. All sorts of ideas could be put in then. We could go through a fantasy and magic stage and have it transformed into techological age when the players gain advancments. And, you know in the film 2001 where they find the black monilith and apes start to use tools. And then they find another one in 2001 and man evolves somewhat more (in some wierd way). That could be a major building block of the game. You start off getting your bunch of people going with houses and animals or whatever and then begin exploration looking for these moniliths left by some alien culture. Finding them will allow you to move on in terms of better... things all round. Alright. Thats certainly not enough to constitute a really good game idea but perhaps it will inspire some further ideas...? -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 19 00:41:01 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA07089 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA16437 for amos-out; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA16434 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kanina.cosgrove.tased.edu.au (kanina.cosgrove.tased.edu.au [147.41.146.3]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA28169 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kanina.cosgrove.tased.edu.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BCAC9F.5C40A810@kanina.cosgrove.tased.edu.au>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:56:50 +1000 Message-ID: From: "Templeton, Jeremy" To: "'--==Murray==--'" Cc: "'amos-list@access.digex.net'" Subject: RE: Chip Mem Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:56:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: >How do games like Turrican get the amount of GFX, sound and music into chip >ram? >This sort of thing ran on half meg chip ram and used loads of graphics and >sounds. >Now, can they store it in fast ram? Well, the music takes almost no memory up at all, and is stored with more than one module in each file, so the samples aren't using as much memory as they would if each mod had it's own and all the samples are the basic same lot for each song, monkey island uses the same method. I presume the gfx are all repeated blocks taken from a graphics bank and read from data, so I guess they wouldn't use much either. - J. Templeton - Realm Productions From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 01:28:38 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29033 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19268 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19264 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cicero.cybercity.dk (cicero.cybercity.dk [195.8.128.13]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA11342 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 03:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.cybercity.dk (usr02.cybercity.dk [195.8.128.202]) by cicero.cybercity.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08741; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:52:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vip.cybercity.dk (ccc21504@msx-05-1-11.1033.cybercity.dk [195.8.138.140]) by vip.cybercity.dk (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA27438; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:45:55 +0200 (CEST) From: "Rune J. Keller" To: --==Murray==-- , AMOS List Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:47:25 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33FA6F0B.6948@virgin.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: C&C Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 20-Aug-97, --==Murray==-- wrote: >I vote for Scifi. Gives alot of scope for creating anything you want. That's a question of taste. I think you can get anything you want and more with fantasy. Magic! >> One graphician are currently working (Martin Karlsson) and more are needed. >We >> need sfx, music and levels. Please tell me what you can contribute with. We >> need everything! >I can do some programming. Good, al though I guess it is not necessary at this stage... You could come up with some fast map-displayer though? That would be really useful! >I took a look at the graphics. >1. They are truely excellent! I think so too... >2. They are in 256 colours! No AGA extension yet though. (only about 2 months >late) They are. If the AGA extension turns out to be nothing we can always convert the gfx into 32 cols. It is however impossible to convert 32 cols to 256! >3. They look liek they are lifted dirrectly out of warcraft. As I kept whining >on about in >previous posts, surely this is NOT the way to go!!! I think there is a proper >conversion of >warcraft 2 being made on the amiga anyway so lets not duplicate it again. I believe the gfx is a little (?) too close on WarCraft too. But hey, it's not at all finished yet! >> If you have not got access to the web-page yet and want to; please reply on >> this message. >Oh, and I have access except I'm not on the list on your page (Laurie Curwood >gave me the URL) I guess Laurie is out of this project (HELLO, ARE YOU STILL OUT THERE LAURIE?). Thanks for noticing. If anyone else of you have got access from him, please let me know! -- rune j. keller - sporuplundsvej 105 - dk-8472 sporup - keller@vip.cybercity.dk - what do you want for you? just for you? - i want to be a good person... From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 01:46:47 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA25800 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA27270 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27259 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA02870 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2169 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1997 12:32:59 -0000 Received: from lp3-7.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.86.199) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 21 Aug 1997 12:32:59 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: --==Murray==-- CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 08:14:25 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33F8E6A2.5B10@virgin.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Chip Mem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was --==Murray==--, who did thus comment on Chip Mem on the night of 18-Aug-97: > How do games like Turrican get the amount of GFX, sound and music into chip > ram? > This sort of thing ran on half meg chip ram and used loads of graphics and > sounds. Hehe, turrican is one of my all-time favourite games, and I always used to be playing it on my dads old A500. I even wore the disk out, i think. Its amazing how it was done, yes. The maps were built up of tonnes of little square blocks, which when all placed next to each other, only took up around 2 or 3 screens in size, which isnt much memory. The sounds are TFMX format, and a re already packed inside the music module, which again uses no memory (I have all the musics). > Now, can they store it in fast ram? Im not sure. It doesnt work too well on my A1200, so I guess it only uses chip RAM. > Otherwise, how the hell do they do it? Very complex, yet simple when you look closely. > I often manage to use 2 meg chip ram very easily but would still appear to > have less amount of > graphics than games like turrican. Turrican is coded in a language like ASM, which doesnt need stacks of memory to run the run-time processor, unlike AMOS does. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 01:49:00 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00793 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05814 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05808 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cicero.cybercity.dk (cicero.cybercity.dk [195.8.128.13]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08912 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.cybercity.dk (usr02.cybercity.dk [195.8.128.202]) by cicero.cybercity.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05790; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:57:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vip.cybercity.dk (ccc21504@msx-04-1-26.1033.cybercity.dk [195.8.138.91]) by vip.cybercity.dk (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id VAA08105; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:51:35 +0200 (CEST) From: "Rune J. Keller" To: --==Murray==-- , AMOS List Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:53:39 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33FB9896.4B73@virgin.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: C&C Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: On 21-Aug-97, --==Murray==-- wrote: >> >I vote for Scifi. Gives alot of scope for creating anything you want. >> >> That's a question of taste. I think you can get anything you want and more >> with fantasy. Magic! >Partly to do with taste but its more than that. >Pick up a sci fi game and anyone knows what a laser will do. >Pick up a fantasy game and only D&D fans know what a Morph Beholder spell will >do. I see your point. We must try to make it easy-to-get-to for non D&D fans aswell. After all the situation would be the same for scifi. Anyone would know what a fireball, lightning bolt, healing etc etc is. >In my (much) younger days I used to play alot of that sort of thing and have >even made fantasy >games myself (Chaos) but I'm afriad now a days, I'm instantly put off by most >of them. >Warcraft 2 is OK but compared to command and conquer it's dull. >Big guns and explosions are more fun and spectacular than swords and sorcery >any day. Well, eg a fireball would create a nice explosion! >But, I'm aware its not my decision so lets see how the other voters (if there >are any!) go. As said, it seems that fantasy seems to be most popular yet. I think 3-4 people wanted fantasy. >> Good, al though I guess it is not necessary at this stage... You could come >up >> with some fast map-displayer though? That would be really useful! >Well I'd have to know a fair bit more about game details before I'd like to >start anything. We all would. COME UP WITH SOME MORE IDEAS! >Also, if we started it without the AGA extension and then found out we needed >a complete rewrite, >it'd be pretty annoying. Agreed! >WHERE THE HELL IS THE AGA EXTENSION???? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW TO! -- rune j. keller - sporuplundsvej 105 - dk-8472 sporup - keller@vip.cybercity.dk - what do you want for you? just for you? - i want to be a good person... From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 13:51:41 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22806 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22777 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 10:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22774 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 10:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.hogia.net (mailbox.hogia.net [195.100.64.5]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24775 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 10:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (xxiv.modem.hogia.net [195.100.63.30]) by mailbox.hogia.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA31481; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:29:16 +0200 Message-Id: <199708241429.QAA31481@mailbox.hogia.net> From: "Martin Karlsson" To: "--==Murray==--" Cc: Subject: SV: Compiler problems!!! Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:04:48 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: > > >Load iff "HD1:H&H/IFF/Block.IFF",1 > > >and I canīt found out why!? > > Load Iff doesn't need the ,1 > > It does if you want to load it into screen 1 rather than the current screen. > (are you thinking of save iff?) > > As for your problem. What error message do you get? The only message I get is "Illegal function called!". The screen no 1 is open, the file Block.IFF exist and the code runs perfect in the editor. So I donīt know why it give me Illegal funktion called!? I write the code in AMOS Pro, but compiled it with the compiler for AMOS (classic), and the code worked fine in the 1.34 editor? Do you know if it could be some problem between AMOS Pro and the compiler for AMOS classic? I think that I shall get my hands on a copy of Amos Compiler pro ;-). Martin Karlsson bobba@mailbox.hogia.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 19:06:41 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA25344 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA03236 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03233 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.hogia.net (mailbox.hogia.net [195.100.64.5]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21144 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (cxvi.modem.hogia.net [195.100.63.145]) by mailbox.hogia.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA13550; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:47:39 +0200 Message-Id: <199708242147.XAA13550@mailbox.hogia.net> From: "Martin Karlsson" To: "--==Murray==--" Cc: Subject: SV: SV: Compiler problems!!! Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:42:48 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > I think AMOS classic compiler has problems with file names does it? (long time since I used it > though) > > Try moving the file to RAM or somewhere simpler and change it to Load IFF "RAM:Block.IFF",1 Have tried that one without any progress :-( > Oh and you don't need to open screen 1 first becasue including the ,1 means it automatically > reopens screen1 with the correct specs. > The pic isn't AGA either is it? Njet!!! I shall see if I can buy the Pro Compiler! Thanks for the advices. Martin bobba@mailbox.hogia.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 28 20:09:29 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10668 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15124 for amos-out; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15117 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu (root@haven.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.3]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29562 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00017; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:22:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu (15273@kimbark.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.52]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA15711; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:20:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (sdmatott@localhost) by kimbark.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA06911; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:20:03 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kimbark.uchicago.edu: sdmatott owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:20:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Douglas Matott X-Sender: sdmatott@kimbark.uchicago.edu Reply-To: Scott Douglas Matott To: --==Murray==-- cc: tecnopro@dglnet.com.br, AMOS List Subject: Re: The Game Extension.... In-Reply-To: <3404CAE0.4C00@virgin.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello, I don't knwo about all the buttons, but Turrican used to use the B and C buttons on my Sega pad just fine. Thanks, Scott Matott sXe From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Aug 24 15:00:55 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17721 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28168 for amos-out; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28165 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth.usa.net (earth.iex.net [192.156.196.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00961 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acer-200 (tul-ok3-17.ix.netcom.com [204.31.234.113]) by earth.usa.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA02193; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:45:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199708241745.LAA02193@earth.usa.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Parrott" Organization: Parrottsoft, Ltd. To: sdmatott@midway.uchicago.edu Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:44:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Yur raycaster. Reply-to: parrottsoft@usa.net CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Status: O X-Status: Greetings. I got around to looking at the ray casting source you sent to the List. You also asked in a previous question to the List why it was so slow (from looking at the source you sent, here's one thing I see): Your Field of View, (the DEGR_IN_VIEW variable), is set to 120. Now are you doing your ray sweep, when you cast your rays, in whole degree increments, or half or what? If your doing them in whole, that would account for the slowness. 120 degress is WAY to many degrees to be having in your FOV (and to many to cast at one time!). You should cut that down to about 64 or so (that's what I'm using in mine, and that's also what's recommended by most people, it works well). Mail me if you have any questions. Book (n): a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the TV repairman. Adam Parrott, personal: parrotta@usa.net, work: parrottsoft@usa.net From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Aug 28 20:40:54 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09147 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA29910 for amos-out; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29907 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14508 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p16-flameback-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.62.16]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA28637; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:36:42 +0100 Message-ID: <34062AEE.7FE0@virgin.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:50:38 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Douglas Matott , AMOS List Subject: Re: The Game Extension.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > I don't knwo about all the buttons, but Turrican used to use the B > and C buttons on my Sega pad just fine. Yes. The B button works as the normal amiga fire button. The C button works as a second amiga fire button as on amiga joysticks with 2 buttons. The others, I believe, cannot be accessed without a bit of rewiring. -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 02:18:10 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA18713 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18089 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18066 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA14423 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2188 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1997 12:33:03 -0000 Received: from lp3-7.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.86.199) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 21 Aug 1997 12:33:03 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: "Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk" <"SIMONC%MARS.decnet"@mcs.co.uk> CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 08:24:22 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009B902B762CE980.6F6A@mcs.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: All this talk of a List Game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Simon Champion - simonc@mcs.co.uk, who did thus comment on Re: All this talk of a List Game on the night of 19-Aug-97: > Hmmm. I echo that hope for an update... > I was thinking of something a bit bigger than a utility, but not neccessarily > huge! > Hmmm. My ideas.... well, I've slept on it, and I'm not so sure my original > ideas were so hot :) but here's what I've come up with anyway (they're > not internet related, though): > -A WYSIWIG musical score writer (remember Deluxe Music?). Could be fun to > write. Would be interesting to see. A mate of mine wrote one of them things where coloured blocks are placed on the screen, and "Bugs" crawl around the screen, and make instrument sounds when they walk over the different colours. > -Or a programmer's Bug Tracking utility? This could provide plenty of scope > for us. The idea is for a program that makes it easy to report bugs in a > program when testing, and for the programer to then see what's been reported. > It also cuts down on duplicated effort, and would allow an team leader to > decide on priorities for the various problems. Quite a useful program when > you've got a team of programmers working independantly of each other. I have no clue as to how AMOS could do this, as it isnt very good at running multi-AMOS programs. All that could be done, is to scan the program source code, and check for syntax etc. > -An script generator for the Commodore Installer. In operation, you'd tell > it to install program X in it's own directory, lib Y in LIBS: etc, and > it would create a script for the Installer. Do any of us know the script > language of installer well enough to do this? Ive used it basically, and its OK. Its simple to pick up, and would be a nice project to do. Still, its enough work for one bloke, and not enough for several people to do when you think about it. Plus, there is one already available if I remember correctly... > >Anyway heres another suggestion. > >How about making a list game which plays over the internet? > >I have no experience with programming this sort of thing but I have done a > >fair few null modem games in the past so know the basics of the game > >programming, just not how to go about connecting from one place to another > >on the net. > Yes. This is a good idea. Yep, I second this. I was in the process of working on a net version of Sneech. I spoke to the old shoemeister a while back about it, and he gave me permission to work on his top game over the net. Connectivity is easy, you just type in the host of the master computer, and it all runs from that. This way, no need to set up a master server which must be up 24 hours a day. > Anyone in particular? Im always online, i'll test etc. > >Either way, I don't know of any other AMIGA game that really does it > >(although I'm sure there are some) and sounds like fun to me. Just need > >someone to explain how you go about getting AMOS to link to another machine > >across the net. > Hmmm. Maybe someone else can explain this? :-) Its extremely simple, when it comes down to it. You use the best method, Amarquee, and use library calls to use its commands. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 27 00:02:27 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA28197 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA08635 for amos-out; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08632 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc.seflin.org (a007193t@bc.seflin.org [199.227.192.20]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01464 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from a007193t@localhost) by bc.seflin.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA13716; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:48:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:48:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Hyland Subject: Re: Updates needed (Date ?) To: SIMONC%MARS.decnet@mcs.co.uk cc: amos-list@digex.net In-Reply-To: <009B959797AC3F40.8819@mcs.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 26 Aug 1997 SIMONC%MARS.decnet@mcs.co.uk wrote: > Subj: Re: Updates needed (Date ?) > > Mush wrote.... > > >Its simple, "its the 23rd day of August, in the year 1997" > > hehe! I think you missed out the "Anno Domini" part there > > How about: "It is now the twenty-sixth day in the month of August, in the > year nineteen ninety-seven, Anno Domini." That should be Nineteen hundred and ninety seven. > That should get rid of all the confusion once and for all. > > / |\ / > \ | \ / > / |_/ \_ > (Simon Champion) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Armenian Proverb: "The watermelon will not ripen under your armpit." > Eric Hyland a007193t@bc.seflin.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 27 01:07:02 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA11051 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA08648 for amos-out; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08645 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc.seflin.org (a007193t@bc.seflin.org [199.227.192.20]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01110 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from a007193t@localhost) by bc.seflin.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA15015; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:51:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:51:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Hyland Subject: Re: Updates needed (Date ?) To: SIMONC%MARS.decnet@mcs.co.uk cc: amos-list@digex.net In-Reply-To: <009B9596566F00E0.8D9D@mcs.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 26 Aug 1997 SIMONC%MARS.decnet@mcs.co.uk wrote: > To: amos-list@access.digex.net > Subj: Re: Updates needed (Date ?) > > >>>>Actually, the most logical system for dates is the japenese yy/mm/dd which > >>>>makes much more sense using standard numbers. The British system of > >>>>dd/mm/yy also makes a lot of sense. As for mm/dd/yy, well. What were they > >>>>thinking ? > >>>To answer your question they were thinking August 25, 1997 which I think > >>>looks a lot better then 25, August 1997. > >>Well, it would, but then again, we don't use that. We use 25th August, 1997, > The 'th' should be typed, as stated in numerous style guides, but then > again, I agree it shouldn't be an issue, so I would vote for an 'US' if day > & date are 12 or under. > > What a lot of fuss over an issue like this! > > At my work, we supply our software to several countries (including the States), > and we use "25-Aug-1997" style for all our dates. > It may not be numerical, but it's concise, and immediately obvious what's meant. I can understand that, so why not use it? > / |\ / > \ | \ / > / |_/ \_ > (Simon Champion) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on." > Eric Hyland a007193t@bc.seflin.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Aug 23 01:28:49 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29043 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA02513 for amos-out; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02505 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA16506 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2146 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1997 12:32:53 -0000 Received: from lp3-7.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@205.246.86.199) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 21 Aug 1997 12:32:53 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: mushypd@redrose.net To: Steve CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 08:00:39 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <816.7168T1234T1922@merlin.net.au> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: All this talk about a List Game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was Steve, who did thus comment on Re: All this talk about a List Game on the night of 17-Aug-97: > Mumbled i .............. > IMHO The vast number of MOD players out there one must ask "why another? I know there are a tonne of them out there, but I havent seen any (except my MMPlay CLI and Titchyplay) which successfully play AMOS Music banks too. I only used the mod player as an example for a list utility. > Perhaps the ability for AMOS to handle machine code directly via an > extension i.e. instead of peeks,dokes,etc how about being able > to include machine code just like in 'E' that is tokenised by an extension > and passed on to the compiler,er if you know what i mean. That was what I had in mind for plug-in "Genies" and players etc. > I have litle knowledge on writing extensions so would leave that to the > experts. > But to be able to include full assembly code must be a plus for Amos , > especially when it came to writing the ever popular 3d games like Gloom,etc > and i belive the raycaster you are working on. It certainly would be nice. Asm can be used directly, but it must be altered slightly. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Aug 27 19:33:27 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04688 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28346 for amos-out; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28337 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (mail1-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11459 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (p55-bunting-gui.tch.virgin.net [194.168.57.55]) by mail1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 112 ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA1431; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:10:45 +0100 Message-ID: <3404CAE0.4C00@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:48:32 -0700 From: --==Murray==-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tecnopro@dglnet.com.br, AMOS List Subject: Re: The Game Extension.... References: <3.0.32.19970827102822.00693524@dglnet.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: > An extension that would read all sega joy's buttons would be cool , I have > tried the Hercule extension but it dosen't work with my joys correctly. I > believe it is because I fixed them to work with Hired Guns , as in the > manual it teaches how to convert a few cables inside and make use of all > buttons. As I understood it, the amiga couldn't read all sega joypad buttons (only two of them) unless you did fiddle with the wires as for hired guns.... but I could be wrong. And as for two fire buttons. Surely you should use a CD32 pad which is meant for the amiga and games etc can use (and I think extensions for AMOS can too, or at least they will soon) rather than a sega pad. -Murray -- \\|// Alastair Murray (o o) malcolm.murray@virgin.net |~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | AMINET |Web-Page (Amiga/Games/AMOS/trek/Music/ | | game/role/CHAOS | +more) | |game/jump/Banana Islands|http://freespace.virgin.net/malcolm.murray| | game/shoot/Hanger18 |Current Projects: | | dev/amos/keystate | >Kill Em All >Hanger 18 II | | dev/amos/picpack | >Skool Daze >The Crow | | game/shoot/traitor | >Game Creator >Banana Islands | | game/jump/blobby | >The Turtleminator | | game/shoot/extinct | >Chaos 2 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Aug 26 11:26:28 1997 Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06072 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29719 for amos-out; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29716 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redrose.net (qmailr@mail.redrose.net [204.249.184.22]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20416 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5866 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1997 13:27:23 -0000 Received: from herp1-9.redrose.net (HELO redrose.net) (mushy-pd@208.7.248.137) by mail.redrose.net with SMTP; 26 Aug 1997 13:27:23 -0000 From: Mush Reply-To: Mush To: John Bintz CC: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:26:04 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Mushroom PD - AMOS Public Domain Library Subject: Re: Miami and Amos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-Status: The man most directly responsible for this twaddle was John Bintz, who did thus comment on Miami and Amos on the night of 26-Aug-97: > Does anyone here who use Miami have problems running it with Amos? > Whenever I have to work on a 'Net app, Miami will crash after who knows > how long. I'm not sure what the problem is. I've removed all my > commodities, add-ons, extra devices, and anything else that can cause the > problem. I've eliminated Extension after Extension, to no avail. Is it the demo version of Miami? I registered it qquite a while back, and have absolutely no problems with it. I often leave it online whilst coding, so people can use the FTP site. I use version 2.1 > I am thinking I'll have to use the bsdsocket.library, but I'm stumped as > to how to use it. I've been using reads and writes to TCP:, but that can > get slow and buggy. HELP! Your best way to maybe go around it to begin with, is to look into using library calls and the Amarquee library, as bdsocket isnt a physical socket, so normal library calls are a bit useless. Petro's GUI Extension V1.62 uses TCP commands in the form of: AMINET=Tcp Open(1,"ftp.wustl.edu/80") : DEST=Tcp F Open(2,"Ram:Recent.html") and then If Aminet..... But until we get documentation of them, then Im not sure wether it uses TCP: or BDSocket.Library Please let me know how you get on, as im using the TCP: at the moment. Andrew "Mushroom" Kellett -- Email: Andy Kellett Team *AMOS* Team *AMIGA* World's Largest AMOS Homepages - http://www.mushy-pd.demon.co.uk Massive FTP site with AMOS/C64 and Mods/Samples + more at mushy-pd.dyn.ml.org