From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Fri Aug 4 11:44:39 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA234751879; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:44:39 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from Altitude.CAM.ORG by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA234381860; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:44:20 -0700 Received: from Samuel.ChamplainCollege.QC.CA by Altitude.CAM.ORG with UUCP id OAA24607 (8.6.9/8.6.9); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:26:37 -0400 Received: by Samuel.ChamplainCollege.QC.CA with PINE id AA16488 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for webcom.com!toaster); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:25:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:25:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Hughes L'Anglais" To: Eugene Kosarovich Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Some answers to Flyer Questions In-Reply-To: <199508041458.KAA21484@gne018.sch.ge.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 4 Aug 1995, Eugene Kosarovich wrote: > In response to Eric's questions: > > You don't need to use ImageFX to composite the superimposed animation. What you > need to do is record the clip of video, convert the clip to a sequence of IFFs > (CLIP2IFF) and then use this as a background projection sequence in LightWave. > Render out the animation to the Flyer and you should be all set. This should > be much more automatic when 4.1 EVENTUALLY gets here. It will allow the Flyer > clip to be used as a background projection or image map directly in LightWave. > > Half of the ToasterPaint scripts don't work for me either. > > I thought ChromaFX was working...although I only tried a simple effect...and > this was before I upgraded to 4.04b. > > Of course, there is a lot to be said for A/B rolling and the CG effects finally > working. Of course, I'm not saying entirely glitch free... > > Eugene > > Okay thanks a lot for the info! As for ToasterPaint, I heard there are some functions in the Arexx looking for some specific fonts else it bugs, if we remove those lines, the scripts works properly. I will check in for those (The flyer belongs to my friend, I was about to use SnoopDos or Dostrace to figure out what was wrong). Hope this helps a bit! Thanks for replying so fast, I completely forgot about LW's background :) Eric -- "Hughes L'Anglais" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Sat Aug 5 04:28:02 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA148062082; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 04:28:02 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from bos1f.delphi.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA147992078; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 04:27:59 -0700 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #10880) id <01HTPF2B8ZAO8WX48Y@delphi.com>; Sat, 05 Aug 1995 07:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 1995 07:19:56 -0400 (EDT) From: MADVIDEO@delphi.com Subject: Alphas To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Message-Id: <01HTPF2B8ZAQ8WX48Y@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: INTERNET"toaster@webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Depending on which Alpha you are buying it may or may not come with eathernet. I purchased a Nekotech Mach1a 233mhz 32 megs ram 1 gig HD 2megVideo etc. earlier this year and found that If your going to go Alpha... 1 Go at least 233mhz 2 minimum 64 megs of ram (NT is a pig) 3 SCSI bus with 2-4 gig HD reccomended 4 17" monitor 5 Eathernet 6 Get a look at the motherboard. Some of the machines out there don't have much room inside. My M1a is tight but very good. 7 WinImages, Photomorph, Picture publisher & Photoshop (When avail) 8 Keep the Amiga (Once you are without it you will know why) 9 May need an extra Parallel port (Helps if you have dongle problems) 10 Go Nekotech (603) 926-0300 Steve Gaudet sjg@world.std.com I know Amblin and Fusion Films use Nekotech, Myself and a few other small companies also went for the speed of an Alpha from Nekotech. Marc Dole (603) 659-7778 * Alpha Lightwave Animator * Amiga Re-animator * Flyer Pilot * AVID editor -- MADVIDEO@delphi.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Sun Aug 6 09:39:38 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA196327178; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 09:39:38 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.primenet.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA196117165; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 09:39:25 -0700 Received: from mcbones.primenet.com (ip003.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.3]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA17335; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 09:31:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 09:31:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199508061631.JAA17335@mailhost.primenet.com> X-Sender: djmccoy@smtp.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com From: "Daniel J. McCoy" Subject: Retry - NEW Mailing List Owner! Cc: lightwave@webcom.webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk It appears my first message didn't go through on Friday so I'll redo it. As you already know, Dave Warner has graciously taken over the two mailing lists. I can't thank him enough for being the only person to step forth and volunteered to take them over. Judging from his presence both on the lists and on the newsgroups, I feel very confident that not only will the lists continue, but they will improve! Thanks Dave! I can now go crazy reading Windows/Borland OWL programming books for the upcoming job change. :) I also want to thank Michael Meshew for offering a side benefit to running the lists! I greatly appreciated the CDs and look forward to now paying for 'em! :) Lastly, thanks to everyone on the list that have helped and offered great information and help. Keep it going! I have enjoyed running the mailing lists over the past year. It's been bumpy at times but on a whole, well worth it. I'll still be reading the messages though and will continue to offer anything I can when I can. Take care and render on! Dan -- Daniel J. McCoy - djmccoy@primenet.com or dan@acti.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Sun Aug 6 10:39:03 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA213510743; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 10:39:03 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA213310727; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 10:38:47 -0700 Received: from hobo.online.portal.com (hobo.online.portal.com [156.151.5.5]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA20227 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 10:29:49 -0700 From: Kathy@cup.portal.com Received: (pccop@localhost) by hobo.online.portal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id KAA14420 for toaster@webcom.com; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 10:29:49 -0700 To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Rate for anim to tape Lines: 2 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 95 10:29:48 PDT Message-Id: <9508061029.2.14412@cup.portal.com> X-Origin: The Portal System (TM) Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk What is the going rate for putting a series of IFFs or a Lightwave anim on tape using the Flyer? -- Kathy@cup.portal.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Sun Aug 6 18:02:14 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA084957334; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 18:02:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from bos1g.delphi.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA084877329; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 18:02:10 -0700 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #10880) id <01HTRLS4C9EO90OIOO@delphi.com>; Sun, 06 Aug 1995 20:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 1995 20:54:05 -0400 (EDT) From: MADVIDEO@delphi.com Subject: IMF on Alpha To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Message-Id: <01HTRLS4CJ1U90OIOO@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: INTERNET"toaster@webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk I have been using an Alpha for six months now for my LW work. I have bought Photomorph, Picture Publisher, WinImages, and a few shareware titles to do my image processing and nothing it as friendly and powerful as ImageFX. Marc Dole (603) 659-7778 * Alpha Lightwave Animator * Amiga Re-animator * Flyer Pilot * AVID editor -- MADVIDEO@delphi.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Sun Aug 6 18:55:51 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA106790551; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 18:55:51 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA106730547; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 18:55:47 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA31038; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 21:47:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 21:47:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Best HD for FLYER? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Hello again all toaster users, I want to thank everyone for their input and I have yet another question, what is the BEST hard drive to get with the new tek FLYER? I have heard the Quantum Atlas, is this true? Blackout@igc.net -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 7 03:51:32 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA105002692; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 03:51:32 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.infinet.com (rigel.infinet.com) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA104932689; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 03:51:29 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0sfPan-000JjjC; Mon, 7 Aug 95 06:39 EDT Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 06:39:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. David Johnson" X-Sender: jdavid@rigel To: Blackout Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 6 Aug 1995, Blackout wrote: > > Hello again all toaster users, I want to thank everyone for their input > and I have yet another question, what is the BEST hard drive to get with > the new tek FLYER? I have heard the Quantum Atlas, is this true? > Not necessarily. To date the 2 gig Quantum Atlas is the only know drive to allow Hi Quality 5 (BetaCam SP +) recording across its entire surface. The Seagate 4 & 9 GIG Barracudas will be getting a firmware revision shortly, and the new firmware will make it to the shelves shortly thereafter. I have two of the Seagates and they di Hi-Quality 5 across much of their surface, and supposedly with the firmware revision, all drive induced stutter will be eliminated and I'll get approx. 85-95% of drive surface in Hi-Quality 5 mode. (Seems the closer the head is to the center of the drive the less data is moving thru, makes sense) In either case, 2 gig drives (the 4 gig Atlas IS NOT 100% Hi-5 usable) are pretty small and get only about 8 minutes (mental approx.) of Hi-5. At this time I do not know if the software is optimized to work well with multiple 2 gigs. (File headers need copied, meaning adequate room is needed on all drives to allow for A/B roll) If you are buying today, go with the Atlas... If you are waiting a couple months, go with 9 gig Seagates. (I just know how constricting two 4 giggers are! ;) J. David - Video GT -- "J. David Johnson" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 7 05:24:10 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA125208250; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 05:24:10 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from yakko.cs.wmich.edu by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA125148246; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 05:24:06 -0700 Received: (from vidjunk@localhost) by yakko.cs.wmich.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA32604; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:16:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:16:04 -0400 (EDT) From: jim To: "J. David Johnson" Cc: Blackout , toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? and more In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk As an owner of two of the Quantum 2 gigers, I will say they work well in HQ5. I paid 1200 ea for them back in the first week of Jan. when I took delivery of my flyer "prebook" order and then found out that they didn't work at all. I had to wait about a month for NT and Q to come up with a revission that would work, and then about another month for the horrible people at MicroPace to get them to my dealer, This was a very frustrating time. I did find out a bit about the way organizations in this field work and how to burn up a lot of money on the phone making cross country calls. NewTek just kept telling me I am screwed until they figure it out. Micropace said they would work because they were told so and Quantum on the west coast said they heard about the problem and "sit tight!" I developed a true hate for phone mail systems. As it works out, the Quantum people on the west coast don't know didly about scsi's and only deal with IDE's out there, although the billing and sales for everything go through them. I pestered them so much that they gave me a number for their scsi people in Bostom area. I did meet a good person over there that said his number was a phone on his desk and a HUMAN BEING would answer that number within 4 rings during business hours and they did all the scsi there. He was familiar with my problem and made me feel they cared about me and would have it nailed soon. Micro Pace doesn't really want my dealer's business because he is a "little guy" and only does 30 or 50k a year but has the nerve to expect good service from a supplier. My drives sat on their loading dock for weeks. Newtek also made it onto my "list" through all this. When I first got my toaster years ago, they impressed me as a fine company and gave me great support. Now they have their feet stuck in mud. I get the drives up and when the HQ5 was implimented into the software, no one told me about it! I must have called tech support ten times about the poor quality but no one ever said the magic words, altalttilde. I read about it on a fido post and asked. I also had to find out aobut HQ5 playback having to be enabled for just playbact to work right through mail from and individual. I have beren a faithfull caller to NTBBS and they could have at least put up a short text file or something. Well here I sit and still really can't use the flyer for what I bought it and sold my PAR for, to get my animations to tape without JPEG artifacts. Some animation look OK in the standard mode which is all that the "LW backdoor" or IFF2CLIP will do. It depends on the composition of the imagery but most look like a color flickering mess. And NT goes to Sigraph and touts their new products in developement while their faithfull older customers like me are out here on "the Bleeding edge." THEY SHOULD BE GETTING THE SOFTWARE FOR THEIR PRESENT PRODUCTS TO WORK RIGHT. Joe Freeman the Video Junky vidjunk@yakko.cs.wmich.edu -- jim posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 7 08:20:52 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA205378852; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:20:52 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA205278847; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:20:47 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA01002; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 11:12:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 11:12:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: jim Cc: "J. David Johnson" , toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? and more In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Aug 1995, jim wrote: > As an owner of two of the Quantum 2 gigers, I will say they work well in HQ5. > > I paid 1200 ea for them back in the first week of Jan. when I took > delivery of my flyer "prebook" order and then found out that they didn't > work at all. I had to wait about a month for NT and Q to come up with a > revission that would work, and then about another month for the horrible > people at MicroPace to get them to my dealer, This was a very > frustrating time. I did find out a bit about the way organizations in > this field work and how to burn up a lot of money on the phone making > cross country calls. > > NewTek just kept telling me I am screwed until they figure it out. > Micropace said they would work because they were told so and Quantum on > the west coast said they heard about the problem and "sit tight!" I > developed a true hate for phone mail systems. As it works out, the > Quantum people on the west coast don't know didly about scsi's and only > deal with IDE's out there, although the billing and sales for > everything go through them. I pestered them so much that they gave me a > number for their scsi people in Bostom area. I did meet a good person > over there that said his number was a phone on his desk and a HUMAN BEING > would answer that number within 4 rings during business hours and they > did all the scsi there. He was familiar with my problem and made me feel > they cared about me and would have it nailed soon. > > Micro Pace doesn't really want my dealer's business because he is a > "little guy" and only does 30 or 50k a year but has the nerve to expect > good service from a supplier. My drives sat on their loading dock for weeks. > > Newtek also made it onto my "list" through all this. When I first got my > toaster years ago, they impressed me as a fine company and gave me great > support. Now they have their feet stuck in mud. I get the drives up and > when the HQ5 was implimented into the software, no one told me about it! > I must have called tech support ten times about the poor quality but no > one ever said the magic words, altalttilde. I read about it on a fido > post and asked. I also had to find out aobut HQ5 playback having to be > enabled for just playbact to work right through mail from and individual. > I have beren a faithfull caller to NTBBS and they could have at least put > up a short text file or something. > > Well here I sit and still really can't use the flyer for what I bought it > and sold my PAR for, to get my animations to tape without JPEG artifacts. > Some animation look OK in the standard mode which is all that the "LW > backdoor" or IFF2CLIP will do. It depends on the composition of the > imagery but most look like a color flickering mess. And NT goes to > Sigraph and touts their new products in developement while their faithfull > older customers like me are out here on "the Bleeding edge." THEY > SHOULD BE GETTING THE SOFTWARE FOR THEIR PRESENT PRODUCTS TO WORK RIGHT. > > Joe Freeman the Video Junky vidjunk@yakko.cs.wmich.edu > > See, it is stories like this that make me extremely worried about buying the flyer. So it DOESN'T work well with lightwave animations? I am going to be purchasing WaveMaker 2.0 just so I can do some quick automated logo stuff for my company while I learn some more advanced lightwaving... but will the lightwave animations in high resolution not play back well from the flyer? They look awesome playing from the par and I assumed the quality would be the same. Anyone else have anything to add to this? Blackout -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 7 08:49:23 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA224470563; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:49:23 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA224240543; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:49:03 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:49:03 -0700 Received: from uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu by UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 07 Aug 95 10:40:44 CDT X-Sender: circ010@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com From: circ010@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu (Jim Willett) Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk I,m new to the toaster net but not to the toaster-- I'm trying to find out if anyone is successfully using a newtek flyer system on an amiga 2000-- or in fact, if anyone is having good results from the flyer in general-- I may have enough fund to get a flyer but so far all i've heard is bad news on this user net. Does anyone having any glowing stories of success with their flyer they could share to bolster my confidence. -- circ010@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu (Jim Willett) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 7 10:43:52 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA024637432; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 10:43:52 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA024387416; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 10:43:37 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA01758; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 13:35:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 13:35:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: Eugene Kosarovich Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Re: LW to Flyer In-Reply-To: <199508071726.NAA23172@gne018.sch.ge.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Aug 1995, Eugene Kosarovich wrote: > I've never used the PAR, but I have seen it. With the right footage a PAR can > look perfect. With the wrong footage you can sometimes get some JPEG > artifacting. > > Overall, I'm happy with LW onto the Flyer, but I really haven't used it much, > I'm too busy editing video. > > Normal full interlaced overscan video is the same as LW's medium resolution. > > Eugene > Well can you give me a run down of how well the flyer works with editing video? What is your setup.. hds and all. And what kind of footage do you edit? Hi8.. beta sp? ect... Also, can you tell me some of the features of editing on the flyer that make it better than just editing with a deck control system. Here is another question.. when you input your footage to the flyer and you want top add keyed CG pages or what not over the video, do you have to do it while you are digitizing the footage into the flyer, or can you add cg pages over the video aftewr you have your working footage on the flyer? Also.. once you add something to footage, can you then add something to that. and ect and ect.. so you can keep on adding more complex graphical elements and mixes without disturbing the original video quality? I have only heard slightly of what the flyers capabilities are and I would really lkike a good run down of it's quality and usefullness from someone who really uses it professionally. I plan to use it for a public access show called "Blackout's Box" I am working on and also for a number of commercials for an internet provider. They are spending a decent amount of money (over 10K) and want to make sure they make the right choice. A lopt of people recomend staying away from the flyer because it is no where near reliable at a quality setting. Blackout@igc.net -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 7 12:07:22 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA079482442; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 12:07:22 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from yakko.cs.wmich.edu by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA079382435; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 12:07:16 -0700 Received: (from vidjunk@localhost) by yakko.cs.wmich.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA02678; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 14:59:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 14:59:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? and more In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Par does a good job for animations that have lots of detail/busy and have mostly light colors. Flyer compiled anims look better in the sense that they have nothing resembling the motion JPEG artifacting but in anyhting less than HQ5 compresssion (highest quality) their visual quality dependant on the make up of of the animation imagery. I have a couple that came through the compression well using the default standard play. Others that had different looks had a color shimmer to some of the vertical detail. I believe the end is near for it when NT finaly gets around to revising those parts of the software like LW compression and the arexx command that appends frames to a clip in such a way that HQ5 can be forced. Until then, I am loosing money and time and will bitch about it. I know the flyer was meant to be primarily a non-linear editor. I am an animator but they claimed "lossless comression for video clips." My animations are made into video clips. Therefore I don't feel that I am asking to much. I have talked to anaimators at The Chicago LW Association meeting that say that the flyer animation clips they make are fine. I didn't see them with my eyes. Maybe my clients and my standards are higher than average but I paid for lossless compression and thats what I want/need to justify paying for an 8k upgrade and leaving the PAR. BTW the PAR uses JPEG which is based on an 8x8 pixel sampling and has sever problems with accuracy within color boundaries that are not perfectly horizontal. Do some lines that are just off the horizontal and some circles that are light color over black or very dark bkgrnd. This is PAR at its worst no mater what the block limit or compression. I would love to do intricate animations but my clients mostly want (can pay for) simple clean logo and text work. Considering my investment and level in "the business" this flying logo stuff is actually good money for me. The kind ofstuff I do utilized the PAR at it's worst conditions. I like having the ability to incorporate live video into my animations and all sorts of video tricks that the flyer should eventually allow me to do. I like having the software all in one package of different modules if only tpaint and cg and tfx were up to the same high quality that LW and modeller are at. I went with the toaster/flyer system because it was a well integrated package for my work and I still have high hopes for it. If I lost that hope I would sell it in a heartbeat. Joe Freeman the Video Junky * vidjunk@yakko.cs.wmich.edu Isle of Imago Animation and Special Effects -- Joe posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 7 21:03:34 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA013336427; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 10:27:07 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA013096402; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 10:26:43 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA01605; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 13:18:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 13:18:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: Eugene Kosarovich Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: LW to Flyer In-Reply-To: <199508071529.LAA23097@gne018.sch.ge.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Aug 1995, Eugene Kosarovich wrote: > Well, if you have an Amiga 4000 you could always use the realtime animation > feature in HAM8 from the switcher. If it's just logos it shouldn't take up > more than one quarter of the screen, so that should animate smoothly. > > By the way, you said "high resolution". I assume you meant medium resolution, > which is the video norm, and the only thing that LW 3.5 can directly output > into a clip on the Flyer. I'm not sure what would happen if you tried to > IFF2CLIP a high res IFF either. I've only used medium resolution for that > method. > > Eugene > Does rendering to the flyer from lightwave 3d work as well as rendering to the PAR? I have used the par for full 5 minute animations and it worked beautifully in whatever full video interlace resolution is. Blackout@igc.net -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 8 07:42:37 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA147930708; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 07:05:08 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA146820669; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 07:04:29 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA06240; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 03:36:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 03:36:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: JKrause357@aol.com Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? In-Reply-To: <950807214150_50184243@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Aug 1995 JKrause357@aol.com wrote: > i know it can hold the hq-5 on the flyer cost is around $1200.00 depending > where you look mail order. > Which one? The quantum atlas? Blackout -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 8 07:49:34 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA194143374; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 07:49:34 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ohsu.edu (wpsmtp.ohsu.edu) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA193673325; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 07:48:46 -0700 Received: from ohsu-Message_Server by ohsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Aug 1995 07:42:23 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 1995 07:39:01 -0700 From: Ed Weigel To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: flyer Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Jim Willett writes: >>I,m new to the toaster net but not to the toaster-- I'm trying to find out if anyone is successfully using a newtek flyer system on an amiga 2000-- or in fact, if anyone is having good results from the flyer in general-- I may have enough fund to get a flyer but so far all i've heard is bad news on this user net. Does anyone having any glowing stories of success with their flyer they could share to bolster my confidence.<< I work at Oregon Health Sciences University. Our department does the video production for all the different schools here. We have been using the flyer successfully since we bought it with system 3.94. We have also been earning serious money for our department with this tool. It is buggy but does not stop us from getting production out. We are using an A4000/040 with 18 meg ram and five 9gig micropolis drives and one 4 gig seagate for audio. I was recently ready to tear my hair out (what's left of it) recently when suddenly we were unable to edit from the "B" tower. The problem seemed to be coincident with the installation of system 4.04b. Installing system 4.03 did not cure the problem. I was really frustrated, and took the whole system back to our dealer. He immediately found a bad micropolis drive in the "A" tower. It turned out that when you edit from say the "B" tower that all the effects such as dissolves are stored on the first drive in the "A" tower. Our first A drive was defective. We are back in business making money. My boss was pleased that I purchased this system because it is so simple to operate that almost everyone in our department can operate it. The down side is that I was formerly the sole editor on a very sophisticated A/B roll tape system. This $200,000 tape system is becoming a side car for the $50,000 flyer. Yes, our flyer system cost $50,000. It is very powerful and includes a power mac hooked to it via audio/video cables and ethernet. We use Photoshop to do a lot of work. This same mac is also on a campus wide network delivering quick time video and stills from the flyer. Basically our flyer is used for traditional editing, quick time production, and producing 35mm slides from frozen frames, such as from surgery. It is much faster to edit quick time on a flyer than on a mac. Your currently cannot lay down a video of a professor giving an hour lecture about heart transplants (or anything else) and then go back and put in all the cutaways. The tape system still does that for us. We will often create a video of this type on the Flyer and then add the cutaways on the tape system. If you are the sole editor in a department and are considered the editing "guru". Don't buy the flyer. Your empire will suffer erosion on all sides from the barbarians. I'm getting used to it. -- Ed Weigel posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 8 08:13:46 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA146750667; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 07:04:27 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA145400609; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 07:03:29 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA06231; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 03:29:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 03:29:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: Eugene Kosarovich Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: LW to Flyer In-Reply-To: <199508072054.QAA23373@gne018.sch.ge.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Hiya Eugene, thank you for your in depth response. I will be shooting and outputing mostly to beta spm so I need a system that can really look professional. I love the amiga and the video toaster, but everyone has been steering me away from it, saying it just doesn't work and has too many problems (the flyer that is). I just went to see a demo of a system that is pentium based called Alladdin, and I have to say that as far as a switcher.. it really kicked the toasters ass, but it didn't have a good 3D program (I like lightwave a lot) and it didn't have Chroma FX which I also like. It did neat things though in it's switcher board like being able to actually MAKE your own transitions very easily. Plus, it manipulates video in real time FAR better than the toaster does, it doesn't have that nasty squarish look when scaling vidio in real time like the toaster has, it has perfect real time scaling. The other parts of the program don't look so hot though... and there is no good non linear hd based editing system on the Aladdin eithe (although there is a very nice linear one) So I am still toying as to go with a toaster settup or Aladdin. Anyone else have this problem? Blackout@igc.net On Mon, 7 Aug 1995, Eugene Kosarovich wrote: > My setup: A2000, AmigaDOS 2.1, GVP '040 33Mhz, 16MB 32-bit, 2MB Chip, 540MB > system drive, Double-speed CD-ROM, DPS TBC-III, VT4000 card, Flyer card, > Toaster/Flyer software 4.04b, two 4GB Barracudas for video, one 1GB Hawk for > audio. > > I work in S-VHS. Corporate videos, weddings, communions, community theater > plays, small documentaries, small independent films, music videos, etc. > > At it's best, the Flyer lets you do A/B roll tricks in orders of magnitude less > time than a computer controlled linear A/B setup could do. I had a linear A/B > roll system before, so I know this. It is so easy to lay out your storyboard > on the Flyer and try out different ideas in real time! That is the advantage > of it. The problem is, often edit points need to be moved slightly to prevent > stutters. The Flyer has a problem that when something goofs up it's timing of > a sequence, everything gets worse downstream. So, it sometimes takes a very > long time to figure out which edit point upstream is causing the cascade timing > problem. There's also the issue of letting a computer dictate your editpoints. > That rubs a lot of editors the wrong way! Because of these problems, it takes > about 3 times as long to set up a complicated sequence than it should, but this > is still much less time than a traditional system. > > You can add CG keys over your video as part of the Flyer sequence. This feature > is finally working! > > As for multi-layering, you're dreaming!!! NewTek says that is a future > enhancement, but I wouldn't look for it this century! Of course, you could do > that with LightWave, by using Flyer clips as a background, then keying in > LightWave stuff, have LightWave create a new Flyer clip, repeat process, etc. > but this is far from easy! Also, LW doesn't support using Flyer clips for > mapping until 4.1 is ready!!! For now you would have to cut up Flyer clips > into IFFs! That would be a pretty big sequence of IFFs. > > One other important thing to realize with the Flyer is that all effects take a > certain amount of time to load, so if you're expecting to do a transition every > second, think again. Basically, a transition every 5 seconds is the limit. > > Video quality. Extended compression is VHS level. I never use it. Standard > compression is S-VHS level, except for some annoying color shimmer artifacts > that can crop up when you have bright objects near dark backgrounds. I use it. > 8GB gives me 45 minutes of video and stereo audio. The 1GB audio drive gives > me one and a half hours of stereo audio tracks to mix in. > > HQ5 is the best quality, it is indistingushable from the source tape. I > recommend it for your application. But, the drives that support it are kind of > ify right now. 8GB of HD would give you 30 minutes of HQ5 recording. A RAID > solution might be the only way right now. I am trying to get more info on a > RAID solution right now myself. > > What format are you shooting and what format is your final output? > > Eugene > -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 8 10:47:46 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA021714065; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 10:47:46 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA021634056; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 10:47:36 -0700 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA19022; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 10:37:19 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 10:37:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Alyn Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? To: "J. David Johnson" Cc: Blackout , toaster@webcom.webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Re HQ% compatable Flyer drives. I have posted this numerous times but I'll do it again. The IBM DFHS 4 Gig drives are 100% HQ5 compatable across the entire drive! I have eight of them and I get approximately 20 minutes of hQ5 mode on each drive. These drives are hard to find but if you call IBm they can lead you to distributors. The DFHS dirves used to be called Ultrastar Xp but I think the name in the U.S. is Starfire or Spitfire. They get 5.2 megs minimum sustained on the drivespeed test and I have never had a dropped frame. To get this speed you have to do three things to update the firmware in the drive through IBM software. 1) disable Predictive failure analysis (pg1). 2)Enable write caching 3) Set read caching segments to 1 (the last to items are on pg8). This will give you all the horsepower you need to record HQ5 all day long with no glitches. I bought my first 4 drives from IBM germany for $1700.00 each and my last 4 in Los Angeles for $1500 ea. I think the distributors will sell them new for about $1900.00. To my knowledge it is the only game in town for a 4 gig HQ5 compatable. I have pressured Newtek to test these drives but as usual they are dragging their butts. What else is new? Alyn -- Alyn posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 8 15:24:25 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA189840665; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 15:24:25 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA189780660; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 15:24:21 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA11008; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 18:16:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 18:16:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: Eugene Kosarovich Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Toaster/Flyer In-Reply-To: <199508081330.JAA23845@gne018.sch.ge.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Aug 1995, Eugene Kosarovich wrote: > For BetaSP you'll definately need HQ5 quality from the Flyer. > > As for the Toaster vs. Aladdin, I've seen the demo tape and Aladdin's switcher > definately is very impressive. But, when you're not actually using the REALLY > flashy effects that show the Toaster's weaknesses, the Toaster's normal wipes > and simple DVEs are definately of high enough quality to use. > > And the cost of a Toaster for it's quality can't be beat. > > Eugene > Yes, this is what I thought. The one thing that was really amazing was the switcher screen. You could CREATE your own transitions and do real time fly ins/scaling/twirling/ anything with things made in the CG. What upsets me though... is that I didn't so much like the overall layout of the program and how some of the other parts of the program worked. The 3D program looked bad, and the paint program didn't look so hot either. Plus, there are no chroma effects, I liked chroma effects! And there aren't a lot of the cute little toys that the toaster came with like the film effect etc... I know the I will use mostly cuts and dissolves and fades... but I have to sawy the switcher on Aladdin was amazing. Also... what is the deal with broadcast bandwith? Is it 5 mhz or 7 or 9mhz? I have heard the Aladdin and oaster only pass 5 mhz through or something to that effect, and that a true BROADCAST switcher puts something like 9 mhz through. Also, there is a now a new DPS TBC IV that is called the TBC IV+ which supposedly has a higher bandwith of video.. 7 mhz as opposed to 4 or 5 that the old TBC IV had. There is a difference of about $500 in price... does a couple mhz of bandwith with video make a big difference? Is it worth paying the extra money? And when will the damn flyer work reliably.. EVERYONE whpo sells the thing is saying "no, don't buy it, get something else, it doesn't work." blackout@igc.net -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 8 15:36:16 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA198321376; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 15:36:16 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA198241370; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 15:36:11 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA11179; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 18:27:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 18:27:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: Alyn Cc: "J. David Johnson" , toaster@webcom.webcom.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Aug 1995, Alyn wrote: > Re HQ% compatable Flyer drives. I have posted this numerous times but > I'll do it again. The IBM DFHS 4 Gig drives are 100% HQ5 compatable > across the entire drive! I have eight of them and I get approximately 20 > minutes of hQ5 mode on each drive. These drives are hard to find but if > you call IBm they can lead you to distributors. The DFHS dirves used to > be called Ultrastar Xp but I think the name in the U.S. is Starfire or > Spitfire. > > They get 5.2 megs minimum sustained on the drivespeed test and I have > never had a dropped frame. > > To get this speed you have to do three things to update the firmware in > the drive through IBM software. 1) disable Predictive failure analysis > (pg1). 2)Enable write caching 3) Set read caching segments to 1 (the last > to items are on pg8). This will give you all the horsepower you need to > record HQ5 all day long with no glitches. I bought my first 4 drives > from IBM germany for $1700.00 each and my last 4 in Los Angeles for $1500 > ea. I think the distributors will sell them new for about $1900.00. To > my knowledge it is the only game in town for a 4 gig HQ5 compatable. I > have pressured Newtek to test these drives but as usual they are dragging > their butts. What else is new? > > Alyn > Wow, can this REALLY be true? A drive that works 100%????? You are the first person to ever make such a claim! If such is the case, then I will run out and buy a couple of them. Of course, I have never actually seen the HQ5 mode work, is it truly lossless beta sp quality? That is what I will be feeding into it most of the time. Slap me again if you are telling me the truth. Are you sure your not just playing? Blackout@igc.net -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 8 20:08:09 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA066297689; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 20:08:09 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.infinet.com (ns.infinet.com) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA066197682; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 20:08:03 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0sg1Hq-000KRbC; Tue, 8 Aug 95 22:54 EDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 22:54:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. David Johnson" X-Sender: jdavid@rigel To: Blackout Cc: jim , toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? and more In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Aug 1995, Blackout wrote: > > See, it is stories like this that make me extremely worried about > buying the flyer. So it DOESN'T work well with lightwave animations? > I am going to be purchasing WaveMaker 2.0 just so I can do some > quick automated logo stuff for my company while I learn some more > advanced lightwaving... but will the lightwave animations in > high resolution not play back well from the flyer? They look awesome > playing from the par and I assumed the quality would be the same. > > Anyone else have anything to add to this? > For the most part, I find simple logo animations are fine. Flying logos, etc. I would not let this hold you back, especially if you are a beginning Lightwave artist. Immediate response from the Flyer makes learning alot quicker. (You can see a finished anim as soon at is is finished rendering, and therefore get more "practice - tinkering" in. If you use a lens flare, for instance, you will see a banding in the gradient from white to black. Acceptable to most entry level applications, but not for commercials, etc. The way a clip is made now is a kludge at best, but 4.0 (2-3 more weels, click, 2 to 3 more weeks, click, 2 to 3 more weeks, click...) will render directly to VTASC clips and promises perfect "single-framed" quality... J. David - Video GT -- "J. David Johnson" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Wed Aug 9 07:49:38 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA165249778; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 07:49:38 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA164949746; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 07:49:07 -0700 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA23272; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 07:39:02 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 07:39:02 -0700 From: bdady@netcom.com (Brian Dady) Message-Id: <199508091439.HAA23272@netcom2.netcom.com> To: lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Tape Drive for PAR backup? Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Hi LWers! Can anyone give me some suggestions based on first-hand experiences on a good scsi tape drive for backing up LW rendered frames and PAR animations? I want the fasted tape drive for under $1000. I have Ami-BACK software. Thanks, -Brian Video Magic --* (real soon now!) -- bdady@netcom.com (Brian Dady) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Wed Aug 9 09:11:25 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA217914685; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 09:11:25 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.infinet.com (ns.infinet.com) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA217704672; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 09:11:12 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0sgDWm-000KVWC; Wed, 9 Aug 95 11:58 EDT Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 11:58:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. David Johnson" X-Sender: jdavid@rigel To: Brian Dady Cc: lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Tape Drive for PAR backup? In-Reply-To: <199508091439.HAA23272@netcom2.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Aug 1995, Brian Dady wrote: > Hi LWers! > > Can anyone give me some suggestions based on first-hand experiences on a > good scsi tape drive for backing up LW rendered frames and PAR animations? > I want the fasted tape drive for under $1000. I have Ami-BACK software. > > Thanks, > -Brian Video Magic --* (real soon now!) > Get the Sony SDT-5000 from Computer Products Corporation @ 1-800-338-4273. It is a 4 gig umcompressed - 8 gig compressed drive and sells for $825 It's SCSI 1 or 2 compliant and is as fast a 4MM dat drive there is. Real speed without compression is approximately 21-23megs per minute. (DON'T be fooled by the 88 meg per second rating you might see, these are theoretical speeds with compression (soft and hard) and don't exeist. For instance the Sony is rated for 88 megs per minute as is the Conner dds-2 drives. But they are still the fastest 4 mm dats around (and a decent price too!) J. David - Video GT -- "J. David Johnson" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Wed Aug 9 10:01:09 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA252967669; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 10:01:09 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA252797658; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 10:00:58 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA19664; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:52:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:52:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: steve bergen Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? In-Reply-To: <199508090149.UAA31938@l2.conline.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Aug 1994, steve bergen wrote: > >On Tue, 8 Aug 1995, Alyn wrote: > > > >> Re HQ% compatable Flyer drives. I have posted this numerous times but > >> I'll do it again. The IBM DFHS 4 Gig drives are 100% HQ5 compatable > >> across the entire drive! I have eight of them and I get approximately 20 > >> minutes of hQ5 mode on each drive. These drives are hard to find but if > >> you call IBm they can lead you to distributors. The DFHS dirves used to > >> be called Ultrastar Xp but I think the name in the U.S. is Starfire or > >> Spitfire. > >> > >> They get 5.2 megs minimum sustained on the drivespeed test and I have > >> never had a dropped frame. > >> > >> To get this speed you have to do three things to update the firmware in > >> the drive through IBM software. 1) disable Predictive failure analysis > >> (pg1). 2)Enable write caching 3) Set read caching segments to 1 (the last > >> to items are on pg8). This will give you all the horsepower you need to > >> record HQ5 all day long with no glitches. I bought my first 4 drives > >> from IBM germany for $1700.00 each and my last 4 in Los Angeles for $1500 > >> ea. I think the distributors will sell them new for about $1900.00. To > >> my knowledge it is the only game in town for a 4 gig HQ5 compatable. I > >> have pressured Newtek to test these drives but as usual they are dragging > >> their butts. What else is new? > >> Alyn > > >Wow, can this REALLY be true? A drive that works 100%????? You are the > >first person to ever make such a claim! If such is the case, then I > >will run out and buy a couple of them. Of course, I have never actually > >seen the HQ5 mode work, is it truly lossless beta sp quality? That > >is what I will be feeding into it most of the time. > >Slap me again if you are telling me the truth. > >Are you sure your not just playing? > >Blackout@igc.net > > > Our company uses the flyer daily with 9 gig drives for video and a 4 gig for > audio. We actually take the entire system into the field and use it as a > recorder when shooting commercials. That is - record straight to the Flyer. > They want beta quality - we'll give them better for less. Never a problem > except over heating after 5 -6 hours of non-stop editing. > > We edit in HQ5 - using micropolis (spelling) model 1991 and paid about > $2,500 for each 9 gig drive about 6 months ago. > > Once again, the only problem we've experienced is over heating during the > 5th to 6th hours of continued use. No loss frames, No sound problems, No > misedits, etc. We've either been lucky or landed on the right drives. > > steve@conline.com > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > =-=Steve Bergenholtz - steve@conline.com Utopia Technologies, Inc.=-= > =-=............ PO Box 515764 - Dallas, Texas 75251..................... =-= > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Now I AM confused, you guys say the FLYER works well with micropolis 9 gigs? Everyone else has told me that the flyer stutters a lot with their micro 9 gigs. This IBM drive guy was the first to tell me that he found a drive that worked 100% in HQ5 mode. Also, does anyone know what DFHS drive means? IBM told me they knew about the Ultrastar Xp fast skuzzy wide 4.5 gig. But no DFHS.. what does that stand for? Blackout@igc.net -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Wed Aug 9 10:31:37 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA273259497; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 10:31:37 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA272939468; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 10:31:08 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA20037; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 13:23:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 13:23:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: TOASTER/FLYER system or ALADDIN? (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 9 Aug 95 07:18 EDT From: J. David Johnson To: Blackout Newgroups: rec.video.production Subject: Re: TOASTER/FLYER system or ALADDIN? : With the Aladdin, you can do really high quality transitions. : None of the ugly scaling that the toaster did.. real time : true scaling and you can CREATE your own transitions. : : Now I am an avid fan of the toaster and already know how to use it and : have used it, so it will be weird to have all this video equipment and I want to hear from people who have used both the Aladdin and the toaster/flyer. Which is the better way to go? Buy the Flyer. I have one and altho I have Seagate drives that will need updating, I know that the Flyer is the Awesome way to go. As far as transitions, I'm not sure all transitions are REAL TIME meaning hey need to be rendered. (Altho I'm sure many are) With the Toaster for Windows, you will be able to render to oyur hearts desire at only 5 times real-time. Those sweet page peels and such on the Aladdin WILL be available on the T-F-W. And if you buy your flyer now, you can upgrade to the T-F-W for $3000 w/o LCD mntior or $5000 with. You'll be able to make money right away (if you do indeed get drives that do not stutter (and 4.05 software)) and making the money to upgrade to T-F-W and a PC should present a problem. With Aladdin you'll need at least one player and one recorder for cuts only, two players for A/B roll. With the Flyer you'll need just a record/player (and not an exepensize editing one either) In fact, I currently play footage from my cameras into the Flyer (built in TBC on the Sony 1 chip V-5000 Hi-8 (BTW I'm selling 'em for a new camera.. hint hint) and dump directly to customer VHS. If I need many copies, I dump back to Hi-8 and dup from it! Many have problems, but you'll fins most of them are people who bought the original "pre-order" and like me are a little sour at spending so much more for drives taht are NOT compatible and noone willing to take responsibility. (NEWTEK) Get the Flyer, you'll be glad you did. -- J. David - Video GT -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Wed Aug 9 10:40:19 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA275439619; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 10:33:39 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA275199606; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 10:33:26 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA20058; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 13:25:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 13:25:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Re: Toaster/Flyer (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 10:31:48 -0400 From: Eugene Kosarovich To: blackout@igc.net Subject: Re: Re: Toaster/Flyer As far as I'm concerned, 5MHz is broadcast quality. The higher the bandwidth, the more detail and hence resolution that can be passed. An old rough estimate I remember is Mhz of bandwidth is approximately equal to max resolution in hundreds of lines. Of course, if you have a 700 line camera that you are going to digital media with, there could be an advantage to a higher bandwidth. I wish I knew when the Flyer would be perfected, but even NewTek doesn't know that. Eugene Does anyone know the exact bandwith of THE DPS TBC IV? Blackout -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Wed Aug 9 12:41:22 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA057577282; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:41:22 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA057447274; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:41:15 -0700 Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA19492; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:31:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:31:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Alyn Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? To: Blackout Cc: "J. David Johnson" , toaster@webcom.webcom.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Re IBM DFHS drives, I am definitely not playing. Call IBM to track them down as they are hard to come by. I am pressing Newtek daily to get a hold of one and approve the suckers. Your HQ5 worries will be gone. As far as Betasp lossless, I haven't seen it on any system, including Avid Avr27 or Media 100's highest. However, HQ5 does match the quality of the other system's highest to my eye. As I've stated before there is a minor amount of noise (not blockiness) introduced on very wide shots with tremendous amounts of detail -- but I have seen this on all the other systems too. Chroma however remains flawless and this to me is the strength of VTASC. Realize that these drives are only capable of 5.2 sustained, so when Newtek raises the limbo stick on VTASC to 6 megs a second or more to provide even higher quality, these drives WILL not work. Such is the price of keeping pace with technolgy. Alyn -- Alyn posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Wed Aug 9 12:48:29 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA062857709; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:48:29 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA062647688; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:48:08 -0700 Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA20394; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:38:00 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:37:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Alyn Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? To: Blackout Cc: steve bergen , toaster@webcom.webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Aug 1995, Blackout wrote: > > Also, does anyone know what DFHS drive means? IBM told me they knew > about the Ultrastar Xp fast skuzzy wide 4.5 gig. But no > DFHS.. what does that stand for? > Call Kathy at IBM Storage division re: IBM DFHS Model #34320 4.3/4.5 gig drives. They are fast scsi 2 and spin at 7200 rpm. Her number is (507) 286-4200. She is the only one I've found there that knows what she is talking about. She can give you a list of distributors. Most people at IBM don't know what IBM stands for let alone DFHS. Alyn P.S. I've never heard of anyone not having problems with Micropolis 9 gigs in HQ5 mode 100% of the time. I think the guy that posted this is stretching his result stats. -- Alyn posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Wed Aug 9 14:45:48 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA137664747; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 14:45:48 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA137604741; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 14:45:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 14:45:42 -0700 Received: from uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu by UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 09 Aug 95 16:28:02 CDT X-Sender: circ010@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Toaster@webcom.webcom.com From: circ010@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu (Jim Willett) Subject: Toaster 3.1 system compatibility Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk While making inquires relative to purchasing a flyer from one of the primary amiga mailorder distributors I was told that the toaster is not compatible with the 3.1 operating upgrade for the A2000. Does anyone have experience to the contrary. I've also been told that 3.1 was good for all well-behaved amiga apps. -- circ010@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu (Jim Willett) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Wed Aug 9 21:22:14 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA150238534; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 21:22:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from it.uwp.edu by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA149908518; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 21:21:58 -0700 Received: by it.uwp.edu id AA11730 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ToasterMailingList ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 23:13:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 23:13:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Mario Cascio Subject: LW in-focus To: ToasterMailingList Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Just got done watching Mark Thompson's LW in-focus video. It's a good quality tape showing off some advanced features that will surely aid me in future projects. He also shows how some of his effects were created in his Fred Floaty animation created a while back. Such effects include: falling raindrops and a blinking neon light. He also went into IK features included in LW 4.0 not yet available to some. It looks like a promising feature of LW that will make our animating jobs much easier. Also, a CD rom packed with objects and images as well as tutorials included within the video. This video is a must have for a serious animator. Note however, I am in no way involved with this LW in-focus or Mark Thompson; but if he wants to send profits my way, I could become involved . Good job Mark. I look forward to seeing more videos on these advanced animating features in the future. How about doing a video utilizing the FLYER and its features involving LW? For example, rotoscoping techniques using TP and LW together. I liked the Pool table tutorial. More on CG would be great too. Mario Cascio ProMotion -- Mario Cascio posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Thu Aug 10 07:28:39 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA241414918; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 07:28:39 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA241074900; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 07:28:21 -0700 Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by UWSTOUT.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #4883) id <01HTWINFMUVK0035HE@UWSTOUT.EDU>; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:18:35 CST Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:18:35 -0600 (CST) From: ED JAKOBER Subject: Toaster 3.1 system compatibility To: Toaster@webcom.webcom.com Message-Id: <01HTWINFP9OI0035HE@UWSTOUT.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"Toaster@webcom.webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk circ010@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu (Jim Willett) wrote: > >While making inquires relative to purchasing a flyer from one of the primary >amiga mailorder distributors I was told that the toaster is not compatible >with the 3.1 operating upgrade for the A2000. Does anyone have experience >to the contrary. I've also been told that 3.1 was good for all well-behaved >amiga apps. > I'm running 3.1 on a 2000/Flyer (and FusionForty) and the ONLY problem that I can attribute to 3.1 is the Right button function on my Wacom ArtPad in AlphaPaint does not work. I guess, me and one other person have this problem and 3.1 is the one thing we have in common. Innovision then said it does not support 3.1. In other words... they will not fix it. No probs with 3.1 and the Flyer.... I've had the typical Flyer problems, but not nearly as much or as bad as some people on the list. I've done some public grumblimg on the list, so let me just say now, that aside from the problems, which I do expect will be resolved (someday). My Flyer (in HQ5) looks GREAT. Most people would NOT be able to tell the difference between orig BetaSP and a Flyer dub! I hope that NewTek gets things squared away soon. Later, Ed Jakobere@uwstout.edu -- ED JAKOBER posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Thu Aug 10 07:36:37 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA251385397; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 07:36:37 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA250885380; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 07:36:20 -0700 Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by UWSTOUT.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #4883) id <01HTWIXJ1UJA0035HE@UWSTOUT.EDU>; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:26:43 CST Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:26:43 -0600 (CST) From: ED JAKOBER Subject: Toaster 3.1 system compatibility To: Toaster@webcom.webcom.com Message-Id: <01HTWIXJ2NH40035HE@UWSTOUT.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"Toaster@webcom.webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk circ010@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu (Jim Willett) wrote: > >While making inquires relative to purchasing a flyer from one of the primary >amiga mailorder distributors I was told that the toaster is not compatible >with the 3.1 operating upgrade for the A2000. Does anyone have experience >to the contrary. I've also been told that 3.1 was good for all well-behaved >amiga apps. > I'm running 3.1 on a 2000/Flyer (and FusionForty) and the ONLY problem that I can attribute to 3.1 is the Right button function on my Wacom ArtPad in AlphaPaint does not work. I guess, me and one other person have this problem and 3.1 is the one thing we have in common. Innovision then said it does not support 3.1. In other words... they will not fix it. No probs with 3.1 and the Flyer.... I've had the typical Flyer problems, but not nearly as much or as bad as some people on the list. I've done some public grumbling on the list, so let me just say now, that aside from the problems, which I do expect will be resolved (someday). My Flyer (in HQ5) looks GREAT. Most people would NOT be able to tell the difference between orig BetaSP and a Flyer dub! I hope that NewTek gets things squared away soon. Later, Ed Jakobere@uwstout.edu -- ED JAKOBER posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Thu Aug 10 08:24:10 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA274016476; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 07:54:36 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ohsu.edu (wpsmtp.ohsu.edu) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA273686455; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 07:54:15 -0700 Received: from ohsu-Message_Server by ohsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 07:48:38 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 07:45:22 -0700 From: Ed Weigel To: blackout@igc.net, steve@l1.conline.com Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? -Reply Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk We are using five 9 gig micropolis 1991 drives. We do not have the stutter problem. However, we have not been editing in HQ5. We did a little video in HQ5 without a problem, but nothing approaching the size of some of our 60 minute videos. We had stuttering problems in the beginning but it turned out that our audio drive was way to small (.5 gig). We now have a 4 gig audio drive and no stuttering. BTW our stuttering was caused by the hidden audio file becoming larger than the audio drive and then the flyer began putting audio files on the video drives. Again these files are hidden, and are not apparent when you look at these drives with from the Flyer. Ed Weigel Oregon Health Sciences University Portland Oregon -- Ed Weigel posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Thu Aug 10 09:40:25 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA100122824; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:40:25 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from minnie.risd.edu by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA099882791; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:39:51 -0700 Received: by minnie.risd.edu; id AA09488; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:31:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:31:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: Flyer Stablized Lockup? To: John DeNicola Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk > I experienced a number of occassional lock-ups when trying to stabilize an > image from the flyer swithcer screen. After it stabilizes the image the > screen reappears, but the project window is gone. Anyone else experience > this problem? If you're saying what I think you're saying -- which is you do the stabilize or save, and the Switcher part of the interface is still there (the lower half), but the upper half with all th buttons and project window are gone (just grey screen) -- then it's kinda easy to fix. Just hit the F-key that cycles through the different Editor setups. It think it's F8. That calls a screen redraw and fixes everything so you have buttons again. Hope this helps... -- Joe -- Joe Angell posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Thu Aug 10 09:40:37 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA049159968; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 08:52:48 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from it.uwp.edu by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA048629947; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 08:52:27 -0700 Received: by it.uwp.edu id AA08303 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for Toaster@webcom.com); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 10:44:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 10:44:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Mario Cascio Subject: LW in-focus To: Toaster@webcom.webcom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Just got done watching Mark Thompson's LW in-focus video. It's a good quality tape showing off some advanced features that will surely aid me in future projects. He also shows how some of his effects were created in his Fred Floaty animation created a while back. Such effects include: falling raindrops and a blinking neon light. He also went into IK features included in LW 4.0 not yet available to some. It looks like a promising feature of LW that will make our animating jobs much easier. Also, a CD rom packed with objects and images as well as tutorials included within the video. This video is a must have for a serious animator. Note however, I am in no way involved with this LW in-focus or Mark Thompson; but if he wants to send profits my way, I could become involved . Good job Mark. I look forward to seeing more videos on these advanced animating features in the future. How about doing a video utilizing the FLYER and its features involving LW? For example, rotoscoping techniques using TP and LW together. I liked the Pool table tutorial. More on CG would be great too. Mario Cascio ProMotion -- Mario Cascio posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Fri Aug 11 05:04:22 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA093032662; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 05:04:22 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM (h192-127-251-16.ATTGIS.COM) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA092942655; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 05:04:15 -0700 Received: from ncrcae by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa06399; 11 Aug 95 7:55 EDT Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 11 Aug 95 07:49:37 EDT Received: by msgate.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM with Microsoft Mail id <302B0B72@msgate.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM>; Fri, 11 Aug 95 07:49:06 edt From: "Layberger, Fredie" To: blackout , steve , Ed Weigel Cc: toaster Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? -Reply Date: Fri, 11 Aug 95 07:50:00 edt Message-Id: <302B0B72@msgate.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM> Encoding: 35 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk ---------- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >We are using five 9 gig micropolis 1991 drives. We do not have the >stutter problem. However, we have not been editing in HQ5. We did a >little video in HQ5 without a problem, but nothing approaching the >size of some of our 60 minute videos. We had stuttering problems in >the beginning but it turned out that our audio drive was way to small >(.5 gig). We now have a 4 gig audio drive and no stuttering. BTW our >stuttering was caused by the hidden audio file becoming larger than ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What hidden audio file? This may be what's causing an audio drive full problem that I'm having. I have 2 9GB video drives and a 1.6GB audio drive, but I'm getting a drive full message whenever I try to copy anything to the audio drive even though the NewTek INFO command reports it to be only 54% full. Even after reformatted the drive I have the problem and tech support at NewTek doesn't have an answer. From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Fri Aug 11 07:33:31 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA163651610; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 07:33:31 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA163431600; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 07:33:20 -0700 Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by UWSTOUT.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #4883) id <01HTXWZLK36U003C6S@UWSTOUT.EDU>; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 09:23:47 CST Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 09:23:47 -0600 (CST) From: ED JAKOBER Subject: Toaster 3.1 system compatibilityI To: Toaster@webcom.webcom.com Message-Id: <01HTXWZLKCU0003C6S@UWSTOUT.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"Toaster@webcom.webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk >circ010@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu (Jim Willett) wrote: >> >>While making inquires relative to purchasing a flyer from one of the primary >>amiga mailorder distributors I was told that the toaster is not compatible >>with the 3.1 operating upgrade for the A2000. Does anyone have experience >>to the contrary. I've also been told that 3.1 was good for all well-behaved >>amiga apps. >> > >I'm running 3.1 on a 2000/Flyer (and FusionForty) and the ONLY problem >that I can attribute to 3.1 is the Right button function on my >Wacom ArtPad in AlphaPaint does not work. > I just what to clarify... I was talking about 3.1 AmigaDOS/ROM and the Flyer. Later, Ed Jakobere@uwstout.edu -- ED JAKOBER posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Fri Aug 11 10:22:20 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA126001739; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 10:22:20 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA125891731; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 10:22:11 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA14800; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:13:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:13:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: Ed Weigel Cc: steve@l1.conline.com, fredie@msgate.columbiasc.ATTGIS.COM, toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Aug 1995, Ed Weigel wrote: > >>>What hidden audio file? This may be what's causing an audio drive > full problem that I'm having. I have 2 9GB video drives and a 1.6GB > audio drive, but I'm getting a drive full message whenever I try to > copy anything to the audio drive even though the NewTek INFO command > reports it to be only 54% full. Even after reformatted the drive I > have the problem and tech support at NewTek doesn't have an > answer.<<< > > The problem as you describe it does not sound like the hidden audio > files are causing your stuttering. I discovered that when we had > very large projects with split edits everwhere, our video would > stutter just before or after an edit point. I discovered that our > wimpy .5 gig audio drive had a .5 gig hidden audio file. I also > discovered that I had little hidden audio files scattered througout > our video drives. We replaced the .5 gig audio drive with a 4 gig > drive and formatted all the drives. The problem went away and has > never returned. It sounds like you have an adequately sized audio > drive. You should not be having that particular problem. > > Again we are having excellent results from the 1991 micropolis drives > for video. Although one of our five drives did fail and is being > replaced. Their performance while operating has been flawless. > > Maybe all the bad press here is being driven by those who have > problems. The success stories probably just silently crank out > videos. (Shades of the great silent majority) . Obviously I don't > know whether the majority of flyers are successful or failures. > > We have been particularly lucky in that we have had an excellent > Amiga dealer in town who has supported our six amigas in an exemplary > fashion. I have had to do a live satellite uplink beginning at 7:00 > PM. My toaster failed and I brought it to him at 3:00 PM. I had it > back and running by 5:00 pm. > > Because of this level of service I have enjoyed for since 1987, I do > not buy anything mail order. I pay him list price. As do other > production houses in town. He is still in business in the face of a > Commodore meltdown. He does not sell other products. Can your > believe it? Customer loyalty built by service. I hope Escom revives > the Amiga bigtime and he makes a mint, he deserves every penny. > > BTW I just finished editing a large video, all in HQ5, no stutter at > all. > This type of information is just great to hear Ed, I wish more people who were not having a problem would post as you do because it would make me feel more confident about buying a flyer. The only thing that upsets me now is that New Tek has never fixed the scaling on the toaster.. it needs to have better real time scaling and manipulation of video without looking so squarish. I am also wondering what drives to get when I get my FLYER, since I will be using almost always in HQ5 because most of my original source footage will be from a betacam. Does anyone know what kind of sound output and how many tracks beta sp decks have? Blackout@igc.net -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Fri Aug 11 11:27:22 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA163795641; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 11:27:22 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA163675627; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 11:27:07 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA15356; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 14:18:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 14:18:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: lightwave@webcom.webcom.com Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: WaveMaker 2.0 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk If a purchase WaveMaker 2.0, can I use it with lightwave to render directly to the FLYER for real time play back? Has anyone used WaveMaker 2.0? Can you tell me somewhat about it? And also the quality of the animations as playing off the flyer and how the flyer handles it. Blackout@igc.net -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Sat Aug 12 16:43:13 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA238560992; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 16:43:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA238330964; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 16:42:50 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA03643; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 19:34:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 19:34:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: JKrause357@aol.com Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: TOASTER/FLYER system or ALADDIN? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <950812090719_53144735@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 12 Aug 1995 JKrause357@aol.com wrote: > HAVE YOU PERSONALLY WORKED WITH THE ALLADIN AND HOW DO YOU LIKE IT. DOESIT > NEED MORE THAN A 486 66 MHZ MACHINE TOWORK ON? > THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP > JOE KRAUSE > > Yes, it need at least a Pentium 100 mhz... Doesn't that stink. That Aladdin switcher looked really good.. but the rest of the software I did not think was so great. I will probably end up going with a toaster/flyer setup and just rent out studio time if I need to do some really ridiculous flashy graphics stuff in real time. Blackout@igc.net -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Sun Aug 13 19:40:25 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA185278025; Sun, 13 Aug 1995 19:40:25 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial42.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA185218018; Sun, 13 Aug 1995 19:40:19 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 95 13:04:45 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg E-mail: jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Sun Aug 13 19:40:14 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA185088013; Sun, 13 Aug 1995 19:40:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial42.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA184918003; Sun, 13 Aug 1995 19:40:03 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 95 13:29:02 PDT From: John Bourg To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 13 Aug 95 13:04:45 PDT I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg E-mail: jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 14 04:15:26 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA147188925; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 04:15:26 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.infinet.com (rigel.infinet.com) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA147118920; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 04:15:20 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0shxIg-000Je1C; Mon, 14 Aug 95 07:03 EDT Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 07:03:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. David Johnson" X-Sender: jdavid@rigel To: John Bourg Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 13 Aug 1995, John Bourg wrote: > Date: Sun, 13 Aug 95 13:04:45 PDT > > I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're > trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to > frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in > the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. > There is no answer for this one. Not yet anyway. VTASC compression in standard mode will produce banding as you described. Lightwave with the Flyer has been "modified" (read kludged) to save anims as a Flyer Clip and Iff-Clip does the same by rendering to framebuffer then doing a VTASC compression still save. Each subsequent frame is appended to the previous. When 4.1 is released... (spiderwebs grow while we wait) it will support direct rendering to VTASC clip and use the highest quality then available (right now it's Hi-Qualty 5) (for now, don't use lensflares or other gradient producing options if you can help it (or make 'em damn fast) J. David - Video GT -- "J. David Johnson" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 14 06:45:04 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA232667903; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 06:45:04 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kitten.mcs.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA232557894; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 06:44:54 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA05373 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 08:36:45 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 95 08:36 CDT Date: Mon, 14 Aug 95 08:36 CDT From: johnc@mcs.com (John Crookshank) To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com (toaster) Subject: Re: WaveMaker 2.0 Message-Id: <810.6432T1141T2012@mcs.com> X-Mailer: THOR 2.1ß (TCP/IP) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 18 Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk on 12-Aug-95 16:12:04, Blackout (blackout@igc.net) Emailed: > > Once you set up an animation and render it to the indivdual frames, how > to you transfer it to the flyer to make it play back in real time? I > know that PAR had a program to do just that, does the flyer work the > same? Yeah, the Flyer has a program that will build IFF's into a Flyer video clip file. Pretty easy to use. ---------------------------------------------------------------- | John Crookshank | johnc@mcs.com | | MicroTech Solutions, Inc. | http://www.digiweb.com/~johnc/ | |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Desktop video systems dealer - finger/www for more info. | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- johnc@mcs.com (John Crookshank) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 14 07:08:54 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA242839334; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 07:08:54 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA242649323; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 07:08:43 -0700 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id GAA25394; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 06:58:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 06:58:26 -0700 From: bdady@netcom.com (Brian Dady) Message-Id: <199508141358.GAA25394@netcom15.netcom.com> To: bdady@netcom.com, jdavid@infinet.com Subject: Re: Tape Drive for PAR backup? Cc: lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk >> >> Perhaps you know the answer to this: When restoring data to the PAR, is >> it necessary to restore to a HD first, then import? >> >Don't know, post it & someone will let ya know... > > >J. David - Video GT Okay, its posted, and now I'm answering my own question! In case anyone wants to know: You can restore frames directly to the PAR, at least with AmiBack s/w. I mention this, because the Amiga dealer I bought AmiBack from (who are quite knowledgable about the Amiga and s/w, h/w) said it was necessary to restore to HD, then import. They probably made the mistake of quitting the PAR s/w first and this dismounts the PAR drive. Just keep the PAR s/w running and then do the restore to DDR: ... -Brian Video Magic --* -- bdady@netcom.com (Brian Dady) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 14 09:32:54 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA024647973; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:32:54 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA024567963; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:32:44 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA15482; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 12:24:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 12:24:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: "Dr.Love" Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: <199508140210.WAA10805@oit.gatech.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 13 Aug 1995, Dr.Love wrote: > > > "The only thing that upsets me now is that New Tek has never fixed the > > > scaling on the toaster.. it needs to have better real time scaling and > > > manipulation of video without looking so squarish." > > > > > > Please eleaborate on what that paragraph means. > > > > What I mean is what the video looks like when the toaster manipulates > > it... dor instance, when you use the transition that wraps the video into > > a ball and flies it away - look at what the video looks like while it is > > being wrapped up into a ball - ugly... the scaling is VERY blocky. Now I > > know the Amiga nd the toaster has to be able to do better than that > > because there is a tiny little videonics switcher board for under $1000 > > that has perfect scaling. Even if you take a full screen image and > > shrink it down to a quarter of the screen, it just loks like you are > > seeing a smaller scale of the image, not a blocky version like the > > toaster does. > > Look into the Ferrel Affects TBCs which un-pixelizes these effects on the > Toaster... I read somewhere that NewTek wanted to keep costs down > and these pixelized scaling was one of the things that kept the price down.. > > -Taka Ferrel Affects TBCs? What are those, and how can they un-pixelize the toaster effects? I've never heard of anything like that, I don't even know if that's possible. Blackout -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 14 09:33:35 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA025288015; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:33:35 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA024937993; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:33:14 -0700 Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by UWSTOUT.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #4883) id <01HU2861GC0W0047IU@UWSTOUT.EDU>; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:24:11 CST Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:24:11 -0600 (CST) From: ED JAKOBER Subject: Blocky DVEs Was:Best HD for FLYER? To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Message-Id: <01HU2861GVB60047IU@UWSTOUT.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"toaster@webcom.webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Blackout wrote: > >What I mean is what the video looks like when the toaster manipulates >it... dor instance, when you use the transition that wraps the video into >a ball and flies it away - look at what the video looks like while it is >being wrapped up into a ball - ugly... the scaling is VERY blocky. Now I >know the Amiga nd the toaster has to be able to do better than that Well... the Windows version of the toaster(and Flyer) will be able to avoid the "blockiness" you are refering to. This is done by rendering the effect. This doesn't help with real time applications but for post production it looked great. (I saw it at NAB) Field rendered... looked smooth as silk. I am assuming (hoping) that similar abilities become available on the Amiga. Even totally programable (create from scratch) DVEs would be nice. Batch render would be nice, that is.. to render and replace all the DVE (effect) croutons in a Flyer project with rendered ones, rendered during lunch, after hours or whenever the machine is free. Later, Ed -- ED JAKOBER posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 14 09:54:59 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA040409299; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:54:59 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA040319293; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:54:53 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA15595; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 12:46:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 12:46:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: "J. David Johnson" Cc: John Bourg , toaster@webcom.webcom.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, J. David Johnson wrote: > On Sun, 13 Aug 1995, John Bourg wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 13 Aug 95 13:04:45 PDT > > > > I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're > > trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to > > frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in > > the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. > > > > There is no answer for this one. Not yet anyway. VTASC compression in > standard mode will produce banding as you described. Lightwave with the > Flyer has been "modified" (read kludged) to save anims as a Flyer Clip > and Iff-Clip does the same by rendering to framebuffer then doing a VTASC > compression still save. Each subsequent frame is appended to the previous. > > When 4.1 is released... (spiderwebs grow while we wait) it will support > direct rendering to VTASC clip and use the highest quality then available > (right now it's Hi-Qualty 5) > > (for now, don't use lensflares or other gradient producing options if you > can help it (or make 'em damn fast) > > > J. David - Video GT So there is NO way to just make IFF2Clip just use the HQ5 mode? It automatically uses standard? That.. sucks.... What is the code to enter HQ5 mode anyway? Blackout -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 14 12:23:39 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA133608218; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 12:23:39 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM (h192-127-251-16.ATTGIS.COM) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA133028159; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 12:22:39 -0700 Received: from ncrcae by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ad25995; 14 Aug 95 15:12 EDT Received: by ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM; 14 Aug 95 15:08:52 EDT Received: by msgate.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM with Microsoft Mail id <302F66E6@msgate.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM>; Mon, 14 Aug 95 15:08:22 edt From: "Layberger, Fredie" To: Blackout , "J. David Johnson" Cc: John Bourg , lightwave , toaster Subject: Re: your mail Date: Mon, 14 Aug 95 15:04:00 edt Message-Id: <302F66E6@msgate.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM> Encoding: 60 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > >On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, J. David Johnson wrote: > >> On Sun, 13 Aug 1995, John Bourg wrote: >> >> > Date: Sun, 13 Aug 95 13:04:45 PDT >> > >> > I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. >We're >> > trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >> > frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >> > the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this >one. >> > >> >> There is no answer for this one. Not yet anyway. VTASC compression in >> standard mode will produce banding as you described. Lightwave with the >> Flyer has been "modified" (read kludged) to save anims as a Flyer Clip >> and Iff-Clip does the same by rendering to framebuffer then doing a VTASC >> compression still save. Each subsequent frame is appended to the previous. >> >> When 4.1 is released... (spiderwebs grow while we wait) it will support >> direct rendering to VTASC clip and use the highest quality then available >> (right now it's Hi-Qualty 5) >> >> (for now, don't use lensflares or other gradient producing options if you >> can help it (or make 'em damn fast) >> >> >> J. David - Video GT > >So there is NO way to just make IFF2Clip just use the HQ5 mode? >It automatically uses standard? That.. sucks.... It may not matter. It is my understanding that the HQ5 and STANDARD modes are the same except for the bandwidth used: HQ5 excepts a HD capable of at least 5MB/sec while STANDARD only requires something like 3.6MB/sec. >What is the code to enter HQ5 mode anyway? > >Blackout > >-- >Blackout sent this message. >To Post a Message : lightwave@webcom.com >Un/Subscription Requests To : lightwave-request@webcom.com >(DIGEST) or : lightwave-digest-request@webcom.com >Administrative Items To : owner-lightwave@webcom.com > -- "Layberger, Fredie" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 14 13:23:38 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA168961817; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:23:38 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA167961749; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:22:30 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA17825; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:14:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:14:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: "Layberger, Fredie" Cc: "J. David Johnson" , John Bourg , lightwave , toaster Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <302F66E6@msgate.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, Layberger, Fredie wrote: > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > > > > >On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, J. David Johnson wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 13 Aug 1995, John Bourg wrote: > >> > >> > Date: Sun, 13 Aug 95 13:04:45 PDT > >> > > >> > I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. > >We're > >> > trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering > to > >> > frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem > in > >> > the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this > >one. > >> > > >> > >> There is no answer for this one. Not yet anyway. VTASC compression in > >> standard mode will produce banding as you described. Lightwave with the > >> Flyer has been "modified" (read kludged) to save anims as a Flyer Clip > >> and Iff-Clip does the same by rendering to framebuffer then doing a VTASC > > >> compression still save. Each subsequent frame is appended to the > previous. > >> > >> When 4.1 is released... (spiderwebs grow while we wait) it will support > >> direct rendering to VTASC clip and use the highest quality then available > > >> (right now it's Hi-Qualty 5) > >> > >> (for now, don't use lensflares or other gradient producing options if you > > >> can help it (or make 'em damn fast) > >> > >> > >> J. David - Video GT > > > >So there is NO way to just make IFF2Clip just use the HQ5 mode? > >It automatically uses standard? That.. sucks.... > > It may not matter. It is my understanding that the HQ5 and STANDARD modes > are the same except for the bandwidth used: HQ5 excepts a HD capable of at > least 5MB/sec while STANDARD only requires something like 3.6MB/sec. > Yes, but more BANDWITH means less color banding! It is my understanding that the HQ5 mode is the only way you can edit Beta SP footage with almost no loss between the original and digitized footage. > > >What is the code to enter HQ5 mode anyway? > > > >Blackout > > > >-- > >Blackout sent this message. > >To Post a Message : lightwave@webcom.com > >Un/Subscription Requests To : lightwave-request@webcom.com > >(DIGEST) or : lightwave-digest-request@webcom.com > >Administrative Items To : owner-lightwave@webcom.com > > > -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 14 13:23:51 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA169151831; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:23:51 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA167951749; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:22:29 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA17825; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:14:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:14:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: "Layberger, Fredie" Cc: "J. David Johnson" , John Bourg , lightwave , toaster Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <302F66E6@msgate.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, Layberger, Fredie wrote: > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > > > > >On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, J. David Johnson wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 13 Aug 1995, John Bourg wrote: > >> > >> > Date: Sun, 13 Aug 95 13:04:45 PDT > >> > > >> > I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. > >We're > >> > trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering > to > >> > frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem > in > >> > the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this > >one. > >> > > >> > >> There is no answer for this one. Not yet anyway. VTASC compression in > >> standard mode will produce banding as you described. Lightwave with the > >> Flyer has been "modified" (read kludged) to save anims as a Flyer Clip > >> and Iff-Clip does the same by rendering to framebuffer then doing a VTASC > > >> compression still save. Each subsequent frame is appended to the > previous. > >> > >> When 4.1 is released... (spiderwebs grow while we wait) it will support > >> direct rendering to VTASC clip and use the highest quality then available > > >> (right now it's Hi-Qualty 5) > >> > >> (for now, don't use lensflares or other gradient producing options if you > > >> can help it (or make 'em damn fast) > >> > >> > >> J. David - Video GT > > > >So there is NO way to just make IFF2Clip just use the HQ5 mode? > >It automatically uses standard? That.. sucks.... > > It may not matter. It is my understanding that the HQ5 and STANDARD modes > are the same except for the bandwidth used: HQ5 excepts a HD capable of at > least 5MB/sec while STANDARD only requires something like 3.6MB/sec. > Yes, but more BANDWITH means less color banding! It is my understanding that the HQ5 mode is the only way you can edit Beta SP footage with almost no loss between the original and digitized footage. > > >What is the code to enter HQ5 mode anyway? > > > >Blackout > > > >-- > >Blackout sent this message. > >To Post a Message : lightwave@webcom.com > >Un/Subscription Requests To : lightwave-request@webcom.com > >(DIGEST) or : lightwave-digest-request@webcom.com > >Administrative Items To : owner-lightwave@webcom.com > > > -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 14 15:35:49 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA242259748; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:35:49 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA242159740; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:35:40 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA19137; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 18:27:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 18:27:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: ED JAKOBER Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Anyone using Studio 16 with Flyer? In-Reply-To: <01HU2GPRXAC6004BTN@UWSTOUT.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, ED JAKOBER wrote: > > > Greetings, > > Has anyone used Studio 16 together with the Flyer effectively? > On a separate Amiga or on the same? and how? > > Thinking about getting Studio 16 but I'm not sure if I can get it all > to work together. > > Thanks, > Ed > Jakobere@uwstout.edu Why would you need Studio 16 if you have the FLYER? It has 8 tracks of 44.1 audio... I can't see the need. UNless for some strange reason you actually needed 16 tracks. Blackout@igc.net -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 14 17:21:06 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA293506066; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:21:06 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.infinet.com (rigel.infinet.com) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA293426060; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:21:00 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0si9Ys-000JdsC; Mon, 14 Aug 95 20:08 EDT Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:08:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. David Johnson" X-Sender: jdavid@rigel To: Blackout Cc: ED JAKOBER , toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Anyone using Studio 16 with Flyer? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk > Why would you need Studio 16 if you have the FLYER? It has > 8 tracks of 44.1 audio... I can't see the need. UNless for some > strange reason you actually needed 16 tracks. > > Blackout@igc.net > > Studio 16 offers real audio editing whereas the Flyer offers NO editing at present, and probably will not in the near future. (Maybe not the far future either) You can mix down many tracks with the Studio 16, and fade & rise etc, whereas currently you cannot with the Flyer. I'm sure there alot of other features, but the above would be reason enough. J. David - Video GT -- "J. David Johnson" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 07:09:01 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA179785741; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 07:09:01 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA179715733; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 07:08:54 -0700 Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by UWSTOUT.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #4883) id <01HU3HFMWK8K004HBX@UWSTOUT.EDU>; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 08:59:43 CST Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 08:59:43 -0600 (CST) From: ED JAKOBER Subject: Re: Anyone using Studio 16 with Flyer? To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Message-Id: <01HU3HFMWK8M004HBX@UWSTOUT.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"toaster@webcom.webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk J. David - Video GT wrote: >>Blackout wrote: >> Why would you need Studio 16 if you have the FLYER? It has >> 8 tracks of 44.1 audio... I can't see the need. UNless for some >> strange reason you actually needed 16 tracks. >> >> Blackout@igc.net >> >> >Studio 16 offers real audio editing whereas the Flyer offers NO editing >at present, and probably will not in the near future. (Maybe not the far >future either) > >You can mix down many tracks with the Studio 16, and fade & rise etc, >whereas currently you cannot with the Flyer. > >I'm sure there alot of other features, but the above would be reason enough. > >J. David - Video GT Yes, I agree with J. David... it would be hard to compare the two, because there is no comparison. For, example try to cut a three minute tune down to :29 on the Flyer. The finest resolution would be cuts at a 60th of a sec (a field). In fact, I'm not sure this is possible. (then it would be a 30th!) There is NO WAY the tune could be cut without musical "jumps". Studio 16 lets you edit down to a single sample cycle... a 44.1Kth of a sec (<-- don't you just love this scientific explanation? :) ) This is just one capability... there are many others that Studio 16 is able to preform, more than I have the time to explain here. Blackout, find someone with Studio 16, get a demo. In reference to my original question.. > Has anyone used Studio 16 together with the Flyer effectively? > On a separate Amiga or on the same? and how? Stan Shumlick wrote: > >Yes, Ed. We have used the Studio 16 with the Flyer. They are located in >separate computers, the Flyer in our 4000 and the S16 in one of our >2000's. What we do is rough cut the video clips together and then dump >the audio to the S16 via very short shielded RCA cables. Then we add >music, narration, and foley to the original soundtrack and mix the levels >the way we want them and dump the finished version back to the Flyer as >an audio only clip. Then we turn off the audio from all of the video >clips and synch the new soundtrack to the series of croutons. Usually >only takes about 5 minutes to get perfect synch (3 or 4 tries) and then >the project is complete and we dump to tape. That's it. > >Cheers, > >Stan Shumlick >LA Video Toaster Group Flyer SIG Director > Aha!.. That's kind of what I had in mind but, I just needed to know if somebody had actually done it. Say Stan...How long are most of your projects? :30.. half hour? Too bad the Flyer doesn't read(lock on to) or output SMPTE. It would make even this alot easier. Thanks, Ed Jakobere@uwstout.edu -- ED JAKOBER posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 11:14:33 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA076260473; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:14:33 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from yakko.cs.wmich.edu by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA075450421; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:13:41 -0700 Received: (from vidjunk@localhost) by yakko.cs.wmich.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA09601; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:05:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:05:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe To: "Layberger, Fredie" Cc: Blackout , "J. David Johnson" , John Bourg , lightwave , toaster Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <302F66E6@msgate.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk >It is my understanding that the HQ5 and STANDARD modes >are the same except for the bandwidth used: HQ5 excepts a HD capable of at >least 5MB/sec while STANDARD only requires something like 3.6MB/sec. I think HQ5 is something like 4.8MB/sec. There is quite a difference on my system on most clips. Most of my animations are not presentable on the default STANDARD compression that LW and IFF2clip uses and there is no way to force HQ5. Blackout - your right. That does really suck. -- Joe posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 11:04:42 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA076990511; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:15:12 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA076110461; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:14:21 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA26225; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:06:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:06:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: "J. David Johnson" Cc: ED JAKOBER , toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Anyone using Studio 16 with Flyer? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, J. David Johnson wrote: > > Why would you need Studio 16 if you have the FLYER? It has > > 8 tracks of 44.1 audio... I can't see the need. UNless for some > > strange reason you actually needed 16 tracks. > > > > Blackout@igc.net > > > > > Studio 16 offers real audio editing whereas the Flyer offers NO editing > at present, and probably will not in the near future. (Maybe not the far > future either) > > You can mix down many tracks with the Studio 16, and fade & rise etc, > whereas currently you cannot with the Flyer. > > I'm sure there alot of other features, but the above would be reason enough. > > > J. David - Video GT > It's got to have some editing doesn't it? I mean how do you add audio into flyer productions and make them work.. like adding some extra sound effects and then adding a stereo music track. Blackout -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 11:38:41 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA098241920; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:38:41 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.infinet.com (rigel.infinet.com) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA097691895; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:38:15 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0siQgg-000JfsC; Tue, 15 Aug 95 14:26 EDT Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:26:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. David Johnson" X-Sender: jdavid@rigel To: Blackout Cc: ED JAKOBER , toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Anyone using Studio 16 with Flyer? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 15 Aug 1995, Blackout wrote: > It's got to have some editing doesn't it? I mean how do you add audio > into flyer productions and make them work.. like adding some > extra sound effects and then adding a stereo music track. > > Blackout > The only "editing" you can do is set in and oout points, and set the audio clip to fade in in so many frames and fade out in so many frames. You can select whether it plays just left channel, right channel, both on left, both on right, balance etc. But as mentioned before, you can't take a 2:30 song and make it into a 3:30 song. With Studio 16, you can take matching segments of a song and place a copy of them in the original song to lengthen the song by repeating... a chorus for instance. WOw that does sound complicated... you can simply cut, copy and paste a verse or chorus. Or you can shorten the song by taking the endin and matching it beat wise earler in the song. J. David - Video GT -- "J. David Johnson" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 12:42:54 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA149915773; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:42:54 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA149535748; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:42:29 -0700 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA24888; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:31:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:31:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Alyn Subject: Re: Anyone using Studio 16 with Flyer? To: Blackout Cc: ED JAKOBER , toaster@webcom.webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, Blackout wrote: > > > On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, ED JAKOBER wrote: > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Has anyone used Studio 16 together with the Flyer effectively? > > On a separate Amiga or on the same? and how? > > > > Thinking about getting Studio 16 but I'm not sure if I can get it all > > to work together. > > > > Thanks, > > Ed > > Jakobere@uwstout.edu > > Why would you need Studio 16 if you have the FLYER? It has > 8 tracks of 44.1 audio... I can't see the need. UNless for some > strange reason you actually needed 16 tracks. > > Blackout@igc.net Anyone who has used the Flyer knows it is absolutely useless for audio. Studio 16 is light years ahead of it. Unfortunately until the Flyer can spit out seqeunce time code there is no way to use the Flyer and Studio 16 together. The way I use it is dump the Flyer sequence to Tape and then sync the studio 16 to it. -- Alyn posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 12:46:44 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA161096512; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:55:12 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA159086358; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:52:41 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA27447; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:44:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:44:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: Joe Cc: "Layberger, Fredie" , "J. David Johnson" , John Bourg , lightwave , toaster Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 15 Aug 1995, Joe wrote: > >It is my understanding that the HQ5 and STANDARD modes > >are the same except for the bandwidth used: HQ5 excepts a HD capable of at > >least 5MB/sec while STANDARD only requires something like 3.6MB/sec. > > I think HQ5 is something like 4.8MB/sec. There is quite a difference on > my system on most clips. Most of my animations are not presentable on > the default STANDARD compression that LW and IFF2clip uses and there is > no way to force HQ5. Blackout - your right. That does really suck. > So then right now, for all practicle purposes, the PAR is better than the FLYER when it comes to playing back real time animations? Except for maybe the fact that you can do sound on the flyer. Blackout@igc.net When is NEWTEK going to fix this supposed problem? Also, does anyone have the number to the New Tek BBS, and what kind of talk goes on there? More than on this list I hope! -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 13:10:18 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA162496609; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:56:49 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA161816564; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:56:05 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA27516; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:47:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:47:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: "J. David Johnson" Cc: ED JAKOBER , toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Anyone using Studio 16 with Flyer? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 15 Aug 1995, J. David Johnson wrote: > On Tue, 15 Aug 1995, Blackout wrote: > > > It's got to have some editing doesn't it? I mean how do you add audio > > into flyer productions and make them work.. like adding some > > extra sound effects and then adding a stereo music track. > > > > Blackout > > > > The only "editing" you can do is set in and oout points, and set the > audio clip to fade in in so many frames and fade out in so many frames. > You can select whether it plays just left channel, right channel, both on > left, both on right, balance etc. > > But as mentioned before, you can't take a 2:30 song and make it into a > 3:30 song. With Studio 16, you can take matching segments of a song and > place a copy of them in the original song to lengthen the song by > repeating... a chorus for instance. > > > WOw that does sound complicated... you can simply cut, copy and paste a > verse or chorus. Or you can shorten the song by taking the endin and > matching it beat wise earler in the song. > > J. David - Video GT > Ok but say on the flyer, that I added in all my sound effects and my complete half an hour production is done but I need to put in my HiFi stereo music background tracks. Can you watch the video as you record your music? Or no? I would imagaine it would be impossible to add the music correctly with the right timing if you can watch your production as you do it. The only way I could add the music then would be to play the production down to tape and run the sound through a mixer and add my background music then. Blackout@igc.net -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 13:19:58 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA161866565; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:56:06 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA158936345; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:52:26 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA27447; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:44:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:44:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: Joe Cc: "Layberger, Fredie" , "J. David Johnson" , John Bourg , lightwave , toaster Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 15 Aug 1995, Joe wrote: > >It is my understanding that the HQ5 and STANDARD modes > >are the same except for the bandwidth used: HQ5 excepts a HD capable of at > >least 5MB/sec while STANDARD only requires something like 3.6MB/sec. > > I think HQ5 is something like 4.8MB/sec. There is quite a difference on > my system on most clips. Most of my animations are not presentable on > the default STANDARD compression that LW and IFF2clip uses and there is > no way to force HQ5. Blackout - your right. That does really suck. > So then right now, for all practicle purposes, the PAR is better than the FLYER when it comes to playing back real time animations? Except for maybe the fact that you can do sound on the flyer. Blackout@igc.net When is NEWTEK going to fix this supposed problem? Also, does anyone have the number to the New Tek BBS, and what kind of talk goes on there? More than on this list I hope! -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 13:40:40 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA193179239; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:40:40 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ns.ge.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA193109235; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:40:35 -0700 Received: from thomas.ge.com ([3.47.28.21]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA22257 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 16:32:24 -0400 Received: from stes02.sch.ge.com (stes02.sch.ge.com [3.72.108.134]) by thomas.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA26617 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 16:21:41 -0400 Received: from gne018.sch.ge.com (gne018.sch.ge.com [3.72.116.93]) by stes02.sch.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA29832 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 16:32:22 -0400 Received: (from kosaroeu@localhost) by gne018.sch.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA00559 for toaster@webcom.com; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 16:32:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 16:32:19 -0400 From: Eugene Kosarovich Message-Id: <199508152032.QAA00559@gne018.sch.ge.com> To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Flyer Audio--Response to Blackout X-Status: N X-Mailer: Applixware 3.1(473) Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk You can't watch your video while you record the background audio to the hard drives. Once it is in the hard drives, you set up your background tracks and tweak your in and out points by watching it play back a few times. What's the problem with that? You can fade one background selection out when you want and fade another in. What everyone's saying about Studio 16 is that it is a real audio editing package in that it can edit the musical tracks themselves, not just fading them in and out at an edit point, acutally changing them. Eugene -- Eugene Kosarovich posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 14:19:24 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA061601563; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:19:24 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA180092790; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:39:52 -0700 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA200452301; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:31:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:31:41 -0400 From: PalaBart@aol.com Message-Id: <950814163139_74307568@aol.com> To: lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 14:56:56 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA241243815; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:56:56 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA240903799; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:56:41 -0700 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA252303310; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:48:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:48:30 -0400 From: RME3D@aol.com Message-Id: <950815174830_55236286@aol.com> To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Cc: lightwave@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Newtek's LW3D August 15th Offer! Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk I called Newtek today and spoke to DAWN about the August 15th deadline, to order LW3D for dos/windows, at the reduced price of $695. I explained that as a valued customer, Newtek should take into account that I/WE were prebook specials for the FLYER, and that we were politely, 'Forced' into buying a product that was not developed as much as WE ALL would have liked. re: LW Rather than asking for a FREE one, :)))) I suggested that this offer should be in effect... until they ship the 'Working Release of the FLYER'... and the time between.... the orig purchase and the software release should be the time that they will actually extend the price savings? She politely said to send a letter to NETWEK att: DAWN! If anyone wants to be included on my list... Please send email with your... 1) Name 2) Flyer Serial Number 3) Date of Pucrhase to: rme3d@aol.com -- RME3D@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 14:56:47 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA241033806; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:56:47 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA240883798; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:56:39 -0700 Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA296873079; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:44:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:44:39 -0400 From: RME3D@aol.com Message-Id: <950815174437_55236256@aol.com> To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: It works for me! Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 95-08-15 17:07:34 EDT, you write: >Anyone who has used the Flyer knows it is absolutely useless for audio. rme> It works for me! >Studio 16 is light years ahead of it. Unfortunately until the Flyer can >spit out seqeunce time code there is no way to use the Flyer and Studio >16 together. The way I use it is dump the Flyer sequence to Tape and >then sync the studio 16 to it. rme> and I dont have enough room in the 4000 for anything else anyway. rme> I would rather have an Ethernet card then a Studio16 rme>And I am not a magician, I mean musician! -- RME3D@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 18:57:01 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA112028220; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:57:01 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from minnie.risd.edu ([192.190.22.2]) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA111798200; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:56:41 -0700 Received: by minnie.risd.edu; id AA18406; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 21:50:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 21:50:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: your mail To: Blackout Cc: Joe , "Layberger, Fredie" , "J. David Johnson" , John Bourg , lightwave , toaster In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk > When is NEWTEK going to fix this supposed problem? Also, does anyone > have the number to the New Tek BBS, and what kind of talk goes on there? > More than on this list I hope! 1-913-271-9299 -- NewTek BBS, 3 lines, 28.8K BPS Topek, Kansas CNet BBS Software, QWK-capable The BBS has loads of stuff (mostly talk). There are also file areas, with things like Flyer upgrades (4.04B is up), Feature/Bugs form for all you guys to fill out :), a few images and objects, and lots o' quick Tech Support. Quick and efficient place. Download a QWK to get a look at the messages (and Waverider's tags :) ) The most recent talk is about the following: LW Distributed Rendering (DR) for the Amiga: the shipping LW Amiga 4.0 will NOT (likly) have DR. However, they are looking into ways to control LW PC, SGI and Alpha from the ScreamerNet interface in LW Amiga, a feature which would NOT be available on the other platforms. There is a voting topic devoted to this subject -- I urge EVERYONE to vote FOR Amiga DR. Mac LW: There are now plans to do it, but not for quite a bit yet -- meaning after LW 4.0, Flyer, VT/Windoze, ect. Flyer TBC: NewTek is looking into NOT doing the Flyer TBC. They are looking at what people want, so they put up a topic for that, too, so everyone go and vote YES. At the least, I'd like the S-Video port to work (say, a daugter card distributed with the Flyer Final Version, or something). I already have a dual TBC. Toaster for Windoze: Boy, I wish they'd change that to Toaster External, since it'll work on Amigas and IBMs when it ships. Won't be any serious (re: too much) work done on it until Flyer 4.1 ships. LW Shipping dates: No one knows. Chuck Baker (SysOp) is being very honest, saying "it'll be done when it's done" as the release date. Call Tech Support, and they'll say 4-6 weeks, no matter if you call them today or next month (but we all hope we'll have it by then :) ) ... and what you've all been waiting for... Flyer 4.05. Currenty runing through "TEST". Will be posted once it's been cleaned up enough. A quote of Tim Jenison says: > We're really excited about the new functionality we have been able to > implement in the 4.05 version of the software that is currently in Test. [ which is DAYS, not WEEKS!, to quote Paul Lara (Waverider) ] > Some of the features that you will find in this new version include an > elegant "cut to music" function, "lock-to-clip" capability, global audio > control and a function for synchronizing foley (sound fx). This is just a > sample of what is to come. We have listened to our flyer users and are > working toward implementing as many of the features you have requested as > possible. I have no idea what most of this means, but sounds REALLY nice! Soon now... Gee, and I realy wanted 4.05 for my BDay (which is today, BTW :) ) No firm info on 4.1 yet... Ah, but we all knew that :) Hope this helps... And BTW, the BBS # is written in the first few pages of the Flyer manual, under How To Contact NewTek... :) -- Joe -- Joe Angell posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 19:54:50 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA146401689; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:54:50 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA146131669; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:54:30 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 19:55:17 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA146921716; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:55:17 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA146351688; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:54:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 19:55:45 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA147501744; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:55:45 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA146801711; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:55:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 19:54:31 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA148901821; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:57:02 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA148381797; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:56:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 20:09:21 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA159632559; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:09:21 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA158312410; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:06:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 19:58:38 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA149901867; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:57:47 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA149151833; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:57:18 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 19:59:44 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA149931867; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:57:48 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA148951825; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:57:06 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 20:05:11 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA150851935; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:58:59 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA150581918; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:58:40 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 20:06:02 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA151591990; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:59:50 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA150821934; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:58:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 20:08:12 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA152952085; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:01:25 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA152212048; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:00:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@AOL.COM, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 20:09:09 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA153082093; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:01:33 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA152502064; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:01:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@AOL.COM, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 20:10:03 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA155022207; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:03:28 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA154212168; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:02:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@AOL.COM, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 15 21:52:06 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA151651990; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:59:52 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA150881939; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:59:03 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 16 01:12:04 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA155062208; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:03:29 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA154422176; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:02:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 16 01:12:28 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA157322350; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:05:50 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA156252291; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:04:52 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 16 01:23:28 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA155302222; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:03:42 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA154792193; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:03:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 16 01:24:01 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA157372352; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:05:53 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA156562312; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:05:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 16 01:45:59 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA157792380; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:06:20 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial24.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA157152339; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:05:40 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 21:24:38 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim To: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. 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To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 16 07:46:59 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA097944419; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 07:46:59 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA227804175; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 07:42:57 -0700 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA113683679; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 10:34:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 10:34:39 -0400 From: PalaBart@aol.com Message-Id: <950816103437_76057879@aol.com> To: lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 95-08-15 23:08:26 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black >background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. So was mine, and it worked fine. I've got Quantum Atlas 2Gig drives, maybe that's the difference? BTW I got about 20 copies of your message. Bart -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 16 09:05:49 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA291909550; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 09:12:34 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA291409510; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 09:11:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 09:11:53 -0700 Received: from uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu by UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 16 Aug 95 10:49:33 CDT X-Sender: circ010@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com From: circ010@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu (Jim Willett) Subject: amiga OS platforms Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Has anyone heard any faqs or rumors about the reintroduction of any amiga OS platforms a-la ESCOM or DRACO? Last I heard A4000 towers were supposed to be back in September, but that the DRACO boxes were supposed to be out in July. -- circ010@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu (Jim Willett) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 16 10:02:58 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA023222337; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 09:58:57 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA022992312; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 09:58:33 -0700 Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by UWSTOUT.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #4883) id <01HU51MJKL5Y004PKD@UWSTOUT.EDU>; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:49:24 CST Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:49:24 -0600 (CST) From: ED JAKOBER Subject: Re: Anyone using Studio 16 with Flyer? To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Message-Id: <01HU51MJKUT4004PKD@UWSTOUT.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"toaster@webcom.webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk "blackout@igc.net" "Blackout" wrote: > >Ok but say on the flyer, that I added in all my sound effects and my >complete half an hour production is done but I need to put in my HiFi >stereo music background tracks. Can you watch the video as you record >your music? Or no? No... > I would imagaine it would be impossible to add the >music correctly with the right timing if you can watch your production as >you do it. The only way I could add the music then would be to play the >production down to tape and run the sound through a mixer and add my >background music then. Sort of... The way you seem to want to do it(or could do it), would be to lay your video and audio from the Flyer to video tape (with SMPTE). Do your music production, locked to the tape. When complete, dump the music to S-16. Now dump the all "in sync" audio from the Flyer to S-16. Combine the music and in sync audio. Check "sync-ness" (<-- all rights reserved on new tech term :) ) with orig SMPTE striped video tape and do ALL mixing etc. on S-16. Record a new audio clip from S-16 on Flyer. Replace ALL the audioclips with this ONE new audio clip. At least that's how I'm thinking things could be done. I'm sure there may be other techniques. Later, Ed Jakobere@uwstout.edu -- ED JAKOBER posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 16 11:44:32 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA212608025; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:33:48 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from oscar.FASTech.Com by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA212058004; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:33:27 -0700 Received: from felix.fastech.com by oscar.FASTech.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06836; Wed, 16 Aug 95 14:25:23 EDT Received: from cc:Mail by felix.fastech.com id AA808608262; Wed, 16 Aug 95 14:20:58 PST Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 14:20:58 PST From: "Aubin, Todd" Message-Id: <9507168086.AA808608262@felix.fastech.com> To: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com, John Bourg Subject: Re[2]: Banding problems on Flyer Anim Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk I'm getting about 20 copies of this same message. -todd p.s. please don't flame that I added one, because I don';t know if its just me that is getting the copies. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim Author: John Bourg at felix Date: 8/16/95 12:42 PM Yep, tried that. The problem is that it's a lens flare against a black background with stars. The black is I think causing the problem. ---------------Original Message--------------- In a message dated 95-08-13 22:36:56 EDT, jbctn@phoenix.net (John Bourg) writes: >I'm having a problem creating an animation for playback on the Flyer. We're >trying to use a lens flare against a star field background. Rendering to >frames looks great but when I use IFF2Clip I get a bad banding problem in >the flare. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I'm stuck on this one. Have you tried rendering a "Med Res Anim" directly to the flyer drive instead of converting?. I've use lens flares there with no problem. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com -- PalaBart@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com ----------End of Original Message---------- ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg Production Manager Computer Television Network E-mail: jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg sent this message. To Post a Message : lightwave@webcom.com Un/Subscription Requests To : lightwave-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) or : lightwave-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Items To : owner-lightwave@webcom.com -- "Aubin, Todd" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Thu Aug 17 05:54:00 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA269694039; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 05:54:00 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from callnet.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA269534031; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 05:53:51 -0700 Received: from totoket.callnet.com (ip99.callnet.com [199.92.200.99]) by callnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA06396 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 08:49:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 08:48:07 PDT From: John DeNicola Subject: Flyer Time Lapse Imagery? To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon V0.05, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk I was going to experiment with time lapse and I was hoping someone might have some suggestions about subject matter... Sunsets, Clouds, Flowers, etc.. Also, any formulas for computing number of frames/field of motion ratios. Thank You! -- John DeNicola posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Thu Aug 17 06:08:17 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA282644897; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 06:08:17 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from callnet.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA282064866; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 06:07:47 -0700 Received: from totoket.callnet.com (ip99.callnet.com [199.92.200.99]) by callnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA06533 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:03:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 08:53:19 PDT From: John DeNicola Subject: Flyer Chroma FX Woes? To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon V0.05, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Can someone update me about the Flyer 4.04b Chroma FX operations? Apparently, there is a problem using them in a sequence? The chroma fx control panel seems to be a bit flakey. In the switcher mode, some of the chroma modules will not work. i.e. chrome, brown, etc... Anyone have a current list of bugs being addressed in Flyer 4.05? Newtek is sloooow in providing timely information to it's user base, i.e. Developer's Conference Material. To Hell with Compuserve, they should be broadcasting on the internet with Cu-Seeme Technology, or better yet, Flyer VTASC/CU-Seeme Technology... Cool! [Flame off!] -- John DeNicola posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Thu Aug 17 06:26:00 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA299695960; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 06:26:00 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from callnet.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA299325946; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 06:25:47 -0700 Received: from totoket.callnet.com (ip99.callnet.com [199.92.200.99]) by callnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA06694; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:21:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 09:12:07 PDT From: Animate-L Subject: FW: 3DSITE - August 16th: Color & Lighting Panel To: lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com, vidnet-l@uga.cc.uga.edu X-Mailer: Chameleon V0.05, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:46:31 -0600 Dave DeBry wrote: > >**************************************************************************** ** >* * >* Wednesday, August 16th 1995 * >* 7:15pm Pacific Time (PDT) * >* * >* Thursday, August 17th 1995 * >* 2:15am GMT * >* * >* 3DSite's IRC Panel on Color & Lighting >* (created by Rick May) * >* * >* * >**************************************************************************** ** >* The following information is also available in html format at 3DSite: * >* http://www.3dsite.com/3dsite/cgi/irc/index.html * >* Please visit the above page for more information * >****************************************************************************** >* (permission is granted for redistribution of the following, provided its * >* contents are left unaltered) * >****************************************************************************** > > >You are invited to participate to 3DSite IRC panel on: Color & Lighting > >If you have questions to ask any of our panelists, please /join #3DSite_panel >by 7:15 pm (Pacific Time) on Wednesday, August 16th, on one of the following >servers: > xanth.dal.net > skypoint.dal.net > davis.dal.net > mindijari.dal.net > cin.dal.net > uncc.dal.net > xgw.dal.net > > >The channel #3DSite_talk will also be available for un-moderated discussion. > > *** Color & Lighting Panelists *** > >Steve Gray - Director, Digital Media, Electronic Arts Canada. >Jim Hillin - Artistic Lead for Computer Generated Imagery, > Walt Disney Feature Animation >John Kahrs - Director of Animation, Lighting Supervisor, Blue Sky Productions >Kathy White - CG Supervisor, Rhythm & Hues > > >We hope you will be able to join us in this exciting experiment. Please >feel free to contact 3DSite (support-3dsite@3dsite.com) for further >information, or visit http://www.3dsite.com/3dsite/cgi/irc/index.html, >where you'll also find more information on how to connect to IRC. > > > Sincerely, >Daniele Colajacomo > 3DSite > -- Animate-L posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Thu Aug 17 08:31:50 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA084163508; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 08:31:50 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ns.ge.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA084043498; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 08:31:38 -0700 Received: from thomas.ge.com ([3.47.28.21]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA22049 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:23:26 -0400 Received: from stes02.sch.ge.com (stes02.sch.ge.com [3.72.108.134]) by thomas.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA11770 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:12:29 -0400 Received: from gne018.sch.ge.com (gne018.sch.ge.com [3.72.116.93]) by stes02.sch.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA28076 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:23:21 -0400 Received: (from kosaroeu@localhost) by gne018.sch.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA02197 for toaster@webcom.com; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:23:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:23:14 -0400 From: Eugene Kosarovich Message-Id: <199508171523.LAA02197@gne018.sch.ge.com> To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Flyer Works--But Crashes... X-Status: N X-Mailer: Applixware 3.1(473) Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Well, I just put together a 7 minute corporate video last night. I digitized the video in the night before, and set up the storyboard last night. Ahh, the power and speed of non-linear editing! About 80 scenes of clips, stills, CG frames, CG crawls, and lots of fancy transitions. And it worked! I am happy to report that my Flyer recall repaired the stuttering that I used to suffer from intermittently after some transitions. I am using 4.04b and the new problem that cropped up was once I had all my transitions in and I was playing it back, the Toaster/Flyer would sometimes crash. A video stream would be playing back and then suddenly a flash of white lines horizontally across Program and the screen goes black. The audio tracks would continue playing. In order to recover, I would hit the right button to end playback and then I would have to exit the Toaster and soft reboot. Sometimes a hard reboot was required since the hardware seemed to lock up on half of the crashes and put the switcher screen up on Program or Preview (no, I don't mean two monitor mode!). The weirdest thing was that when I would tell the Toaster to quit after every one of these crashes, it would switch to the Switcher screen and do an auto transition with the T-bar before exiting! With a lot of rebooting, I was able to complete my project. Has anyone else had this type of crashing problem? Eugene -- Eugene Kosarovich posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Thu Aug 17 09:11:03 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA110305863; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:11:03 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA109975835; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:10:35 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA20288; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:02:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:02:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: Joe Angell Cc: Joe , "Layberger, Fredie" , "J. David Johnson" , John Bourg , lightwave , toaster Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the in depth information about what's going on at the New Tek BBS Joe. Unfortunately I don't own a toaster yet, I am looking to buy a full setup but looking for a good deal. I have not been able to actually SEE the FLYER so that is why I am asking so many question about it. If anyone wants to give me a full review of the thing, I would appreciate it. Blackout@igc.net So I guess I cannot call the New Tek BBS because I'm not a registered owner right now huh? -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Thu Aug 17 09:41:13 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA131347673; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:41:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA131187657; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:40:58 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA20630; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:32:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:32:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: John DeNicola Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Flyer Chroma FX Woes? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 17 Aug 1995, John DeNicola wrote: > Can someone update me about the Flyer 4.04b Chroma FX operations? > Apparently, there is a problem using them in a sequence? The chroma fx > control panel seems to be a bit flakey. In the switcher mode, some of the > chroma modules will not work. i.e. chrome, brown, etc... > > > Anyone have a current list of bugs being addressed in Flyer 4.05? > > Newtek is sloooow in providing timely information to it's user base, i.e. > Developer's Conference Material. To Hell with Compuserve, they should be > broadcasting on the internet with Cu-Seeme Technology, or better yet, Flyer > VTASC/CU-Seeme Technology... Cool! [Flame off!] > Well I especially liked the toaster's chroma effects, and would need to use them, so here's a question: What happens if say you are editing with the flyer and it starts bugging you and you decide not to mess with it because you need to do something that it can't do right and you want to just use your A/B roll setup to tape. Can you just go to the normal old toaster operation without the whole flyer setup? Or do you need to actually have the older version of the toaster software installed in a different directory? Blackout@igc.net By the way.. I am only familiar in working with the Toaster 4000 software, I don't really know the differences that happen when you install the flyer and I would GREATLY appreciate it if someone could give me a full explanation of how the flyer works with the toaster and how the software control changes from that of the toaster 4000. -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 17 10:30:41 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA163650727; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:32:07 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.wolfe.net by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA163150690; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:31:31 -0700 Received: from gonzo.wolfe.net (momar@gonzo.wolfe.net [204.157.98.2]) by mail1.wolfe.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA15411 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:25:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:22:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Carter To: toast Subject: F.S. TBCIV Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk I've got to sell one of myTBCs to raise money for an edit deck. If anyone is interested I'm asking $750. I would prefer to sell in the PNW to avoid shipping hassles. Jim -- Jim Carter posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 17 11:44:32 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA227395718; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:55:19 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from yakko.cs.wmich.edu by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA226105697; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:54:58 -0700 Received: (from vidjunk@localhost) by yakko.cs.wmich.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA18994; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:46:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:46:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe To: toaster Subject: bug report In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk It is much cheaper for me to post here than NTBBS and call back for answers. I am beyond frustration with Newtek. Here is my latest problem. A2000 G-Force 040/33 mega chip 16 megs 32 bit 6 megs 16 bit on 8-up board Toaster 4000 Flyer 2 2gig Quantums flyer drives no dedicated audio drive yet. assorted regular scsi system hds Flyer 4.04b software Toaster Paint: 1. Very poor anti-aliasing in basic draw modes. 2. Rendering changes to framebuffers give unpredictable and multi optional degradation of the switcher frame buffers giving unacceptable images. Very detailled explanations of the actual results are in my original bug report to NTBBS on this. Saving to disk before rendering the garbage is a workaround but really sucks. NT sugested that I load up toaster 2.0 instead. Might try that next time I really need to use TPaint a lot of for a project. Toaster CG: 1. Well NT made me look bad again in fromt of my best client. CG, with all its faults, is my friend and makes me good money. Making changes in a flyer inegrated environment is one of its advantages. My CG won't load the books or saved pages it writes any more. I tried to load up the pages my client wanted to make some last minute changes to but it makes an attempt and gives some feedback in the status bar that comes and goes in a flash and can't be read, Then nothing. The whole book was the same, no load. It will load old books just fine so I guess that means that is is not writing a proper file now.. I have made no changes since the creation of the books that do load. I did a hex read on the files and they look the same at the headers but that is about as close to binary strings as I get. I do have yet to run dos trace during the failure and reload the cg software. I did have to recreat those pages from scratch for that job while the client waited... 2. One more wrinkle to this cg puzzle. Saving the page or book files gives a name that is truncated to the forst 6 letters. KTVwin2 becomes just KTVwin and doesn't overwrite the KTVwin2 file but will overwrite the preveiously saved KTVwin file even though the requester is telling me that I am saving over the KTVwin3 file. There I am saving files wrong and having to go to diropus and rename all the saves one at a time to preserve the 7 space file name conventions I was using to keep the files orderly and in my flyer project right. More time the client spends in computer nonliterate hold while I noodle around with the thing file names and recreate all the changes from scratch. Has this stuff been happenning to anyone else? Joe Freeman the Video Junku vidjunk@yakko.cs.wmich.edu -- Joe posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Thu Aug 17 13:55:02 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA299912902; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:55:02 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA299652880; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:54:42 -0700 Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA092252157; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:42:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:42:37 -0400 From: DanEsmond@aol.com Message-Id: <950817164130_77146005@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: totoket@callnet.com Cc: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Flyer Time Lapse Imagery? Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 95-08-17 09:45:10 EDT, you write: >I was going to experiment with time lapse and I was hoping someone might >have some suggestions about subject matter... > > Sunsets, Clouds, Flowers, etc.. I've gotten a few neat clips with my PAR board. I have one of the house across the street being built. Be very carefull about sun exposure to the camera. Even chip cameras will show wear and tear after days of recording extremely bright spots in scenes with reflections. I had a problem with pixels that went dead. Hmmm... I was just thinking... It might be neat to see a fresh ant hill being constructed close up, or maybe put out a cheeto and watch them take it apart. How about a parking lot from sun-up to sun-down? ... or maybe those magic crystals that grow stalagmites when dropped into that special solution. Freeze a rubber glove full of water, then record it melting in some strange place.... A bird feeder....Your sleep patterns.... A playground.... The beach... A shipping port...The possiblities are almost endless. -- DanEsmond@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Thu Aug 17 17:30:21 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA126855820; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:30:21 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA126715812; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:30:13 -0700 Received: from hobo.online.portal.com (hobo.online.portal.com [156.151.5.5]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA17634 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:21:04 -0700 From: Kathy@cup.portal.com Received: (pccop@localhost) by hobo.online.portal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id RAA06423 for toaster@webcom.com; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:21:03 -0700 To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Effects problem Lines: 9 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 17:21:02 PDT Message-Id: <9508171721.1.6218@cup.portal.com> X-Origin: The Portal System (TM) Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk I have a clip, an effect(the closing book), and a BKG(black). Sometimes, however, instead of going to the BKG it goes to the Video Toaster logo Framestore. Does anyone have any thoughts on what is causing this? This brings me to the question also of finding out how much of an effect is used by the previous clip and how much by the following clip. Is there any particular rule for this? Kathy@cup.portal.com -- Kathy@cup.portal.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 17 18:12:20 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA288704962; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 21:49:23 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial96.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA288254931; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 21:48:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 23:16:36 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Sorry!!!! To: lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk My apologies to all members of the lightwave and toaster listserv. One of my resent replies ran amuck on me. Our service provider has been having mail problems for the past week (mail not sent at all or sent in multiple copies). Again my deepest apologies for this inconvenience to all. PS I hope you don't get multiple copies of the apology. ;-) ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg Production Manager Computer Television Network E-mail: jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Thu Aug 17 22:01:30 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA009252090; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 22:01:30 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from minnie.risd.edu by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA009072079; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 22:01:19 -0700 Received: by minnie.risd.edu; id AA13120; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 23:39:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 23:39:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: Flyer Chroma FX Woes? To: Blackout Cc: John DeNicola , toaster@webcom.webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk > By the way.. I am only familiar in working with the Toaster 4000 > software, I don't really know the differences that happen when you install > the flyer and I would GREATLY appreciate it if someone could give me a full > explanation of how the flyer works with the toaster and how the software > control changes from that of the toaster 4000. The Flyer interface is MUCH different than Toaster 3.0 (which is the same on VT 4000s or 2000s), but the Toaster 4.0 upgrade is the Flyer interface without the Flyer functions. The switcher is at the lower half of the screen. That's the only similarity. You can cycle between 5 screen modes -- Switcher, Project, Project/Files, Project/Project, Files/Files. Switcher gives you a Switcher on the bottome, and a Project at the top. The project has nothing in it unless you put it there. Projects with a Flyer can consist of Flyer clips -- on Toaster systems, you can put FX up there, in any order you want, with a scroll bar on the left to scroll though them all. On AGA machines, you get the FX and Clips (and I think AGA anims) with color croutons -- greyscale on ECS machines. Once an effect is in the project protion, you can trigger it just like a 3.0 Toaster wipe -- either double click, or click then drag the T-Bar. Best part is if you put Flyer clips up there, you can play them, too, and do some FX between the clip and live action. it's great. So, yes, you can use your normal editing system with it. And you can put audio clips up there, too (with a Flyer -- sorry). All thos pictures of the Flyer interface are exactly what this looks like. Project: Just show you the project. Great for editing, since the whole screen becomes the project view. Project/Project: For copying events between two projects. The screen splits into Proj. 1 at the top and 2 at the bottom. Just drag and drop from one to the other. Project/Files: This is how you get FX/clips into the project window. The proj. is at the top, and a big file requester (NewTek Style). You can set tabs in the file requester to go to different dirs, delete files, make directories, run FX by double clicking on them (or CG pages, or clips), and drag any Toaster/Flyer thing up to the Project panel. Files/Files: THe DOpus of the Flyer. Like Project/Project, but used for file copying. this is the ONLY way to copy files to/from Flyer drives. Doing so out of the Flyer may be hazardous (as I've found out -- lost a whole weeks worth of rendering that way...) That's pretty much it. Tpaint is improved, but I'd rather have Alpha Paint. 4.0 LW will load and save Flyer Clips (like TPaint does in the PR version). CG is nice, too, but I haven't used it too much. Well, hope all this helps. The only real differencce between VT and Flyer setup is that you have acces to Flyer clips -- the interface is otherwise the same. Hope this helps... -- Joe -- Joe Angell posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Thu Aug 17 22:01:48 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA009842108; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 22:01:48 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from minnie.risd.edu by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA009332092; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 22:01:33 -0700 Received: by minnie.risd.edu; id AA12332; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 23:17:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 23:17:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: your mail To: Blackout Cc: lightwave , toaster In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk > So I guess I cannot call the New Tek BBS because I'm not a registered > owner right now huh? Hmmm... good question. I think you can call and just browse around and the like, and listen and and respond to the mail. I think it's treated as a normal BBS, but you get special access to file areas and the like if you give them your serial #. Come to think of it, it shouldn't be a problem. Give it a shot. They don't ask for your seriel # unless you want full access -- like you only get Flyer access if you mail the SysOp privatly (that's files only -- all messages are public & free). I'll post a whole big thing about the Flyer once 4.05 gets up there... I've been checking the FTP every day now... sooner or later... Unfortunatly, I mostly use my Flyer for some sorts and animation, and i hasn't been around recently due to 1) my FLyer getting lost by UPS, and 2) my Toaster frying, but it's back now (I missed my deadline for Manny's LightSpeed tape because of it... DOH!), so I can't tell you too much. But there are certainly a lot of people wo can help you. I personally enjoy using my Flyer. The quality is more than adequete for my SVHS stuff, and even Standard mode animations look better than SVHS -- fine details like small text look pretty good, where I can't even read it once it gets to SVHS. I don't have an audio drive, so I've been doing cuts-only for that, but once those Jaz drives are realeased, I'm on it (think about it -- hook it up to Bus C, and you not only get a 1-gig aduio dirve, but you also get a 1-gig data drive just by swapping carts!) I edited a 40-min. student video project in two days using it, and even composited in a mussle flash for an Uzi about 3 hours before it was due. Looked really nice. We did a lot of clip-shifting and such, and it was a snap. Even in pre-release, it's 50x better than linear editing (especially if you're used to editing with a Panasonic 1970 (which is GREAT) and an AG-455 camcorder (great for recording, but crap for editing. Has the 5-pin edit jack, but is only acurate to 1 UNIT -- a unit being ABOUT 1.x seconds)) Let you know more when 4.05 comes in. -- Joe -- Joe Angell posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 17 22:02:08 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA114416129; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:15:29 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA113226045; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:14:05 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA20365; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:05:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:05:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: John Bourg Cc: PalaBart@aol.com, lightwave@webcom.webcom.com, toaster@webcom.webcom.com Subject: Re: Banding problems on Flyer Anim In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Why did I get 50 copies of the John Borg message about a PAR problem in my mailbox? Blackout -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 17 22:58:25 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA207075505; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 22:58:25 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from webcom.webcom.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA206485479; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 22:58:00 -0700 Received: from mail.globalone.net (mail.global1.net) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA058696320; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 23:12:00 -0700 Received: from shell.globalone.net (davewarner@shell.globalone.net [198.69.121.31]) by mail.globalone.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA13499; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 02:03:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 02:03:35 -0400 (EDT) From: davewarner@globalone.net X-Sender: davewarner@shell.globalone.net To: Blackout Cc: Joe Angell , Joe , "Layberger, Fredie" , "J. David Johnson" , John Bourg , lightwave , toaster Subject: Posting to the Mailing Lists (PLEASE READ!) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk I'm sending this message to everyone, but it's directed mainly to the people who keep using the "CC:" field when replying to messages. Please stop sending multiple copies of your messages to both mailing lists and to every person who has been involved with that particular message thread! I'm not sure why, but these multiple carbon copies are wreaking havoc with WebCom's mailer and may be part of the reason why we've been receiving multiple copies of some of these messages. When posting a message that deals specifically with LightWave, please post it ONLY to the LightWave Mailing List at lightwave@webcom.com. When posting a message that relates to the Video Toaster or the Flyer, please post it ONLY to the Toaster Mailing List at toaster@webcom.com. When posting a message that involves the user of LightWave AND the Flyer, please post it to ONLY one of these mailing lists...if you don't get an answer to your question, then try posting it to the other list, but please only post a message to one list at a time. Cross-posting to BOTH mailing lists at the same time is un-necessary and annoying, at best. Thank you. -David Warner -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Fri Aug 18 01:37:23 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA118255043; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 01:37:23 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from minnie.risd.edu by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA118195038; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 01:37:18 -0700 Received: by minnie.risd.edu; id AA18794; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 04:31:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 04:31:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: your mail To: Blackout Cc: Toaster/Flyer Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk > I have not been able to > actually SEE the FLYER so that is why I am asking so many question > about it. > If anyone wants to give me a full review of the thing, I would appreciate > it. Looks like I won't be able to see my Flyer, either. After being without my Flyer for 1.5 months, I get it finally get it returned. A week later, my Toaster dies. So I send it to NewTek, and two weeks later, I have it back. I've had it for 5 dyas now. I was in LW, and was looking at an image I'd just rendered to the framebuffer, and then I head a CLICK and BOTH the Progam Out and Interface (Amiga RGB -- Preview probobly went, too, but I don't have a preview monitor) blipped to black. So I reboot, and get a Toaster Unable to Genlock. That's the same thing I got when the Toater fried three weeks ago. Thing is, they REPLACED the card! ANYONE Know why this is happening? I'll take ANY explaination. It's not heat -- it was a cool day, and my A2000 is pretty cool. There's a lot of stuff in it -- would a VT4000, Flyer, GVP G-Force with 8 megs, GVP-SCSI card with 6 megs and piggy-back Hard Disk, Kitchen Sync, Picasso II and an internal 1-gig drive strain the power of the A2000 a bit? but if so, why did it take 5 DAYS for it to die? any ideas, anyone? Thanks, all... Sorry to vent here -- Joe -- Joe Angell posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Fri Aug 18 01:52:06 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA157265926; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 01:52:06 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from sos.sos.net by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA156875911; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 01:51:52 -0700 Received: from pentium (dialup17.sos.net) by sos.sos.net with SMTP id AA11806 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for toaster@webcom.com); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 01:33:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199508180833.AA11806@sos.sos.net> X-Sender: astevens@sos.sos.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 01:55:53 -0700 To: toaster@mail.webcom.com From: astevens@sos.sos.net (Andy Stevens) Subject: New Home Page Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Invitation for anyone interested to check out our new home page. Ulti-Media Productions. Have a lot of stuff created with the New Tek systems and will be adding more as we go along. Will try to add avi clips of 3D projects, etc. in the future. Any way, stop by, look, enjoy and drop me a line. Andy Stevens Stevens Video Productions Ulti-Media Productions Ulti-Media Productions P.O. Box 444 astevens@sos.sos.net Anacortes, WA 98221 1-206-293-7044 1-206-299-2524 -- astevens@sos.sos.net (Andy Stevens) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Fri Aug 18 01:52:03 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA157145923; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 01:52:03 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from sos.sos.net by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA156805910; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 01:51:50 -0700 Received: from pentium (dialup17.sos.net) by sos.sos.net with SMTP id AA11803 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for toaster@webcom.com); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 01:33:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199508180833.AA11803@sos.sos.net> X-Sender: astevens@sos.sos.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 01:55:51 -0700 To: toaster@mail.webcom.com From: astevens@sos.sos.net (Andy Stevens) Subject: New Home Page! Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Invitation for anyone interested to check out our new home page. Ulti-Media Productions. Have a lot of stuff created with the New Tek systems and will be adding more as we go along. Will try to add avi clips of 3D projects, etc. in the future. Any way, stop by, look, enjoy and drop me a line. Andy Stevens Stevens Video Productions Ulti-Media Productions Ulti-Media Productions P.O. Box 444 astevens@sos.sos.net Anacortes, WA 98221 1-206-293-7044 1-206-299-2524 -- astevens@sos.sos.net (Andy Stevens) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Fri Aug 18 01:55:50 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA163316150; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 01:55:50 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from sos.sos.net by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA162966136; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 01:55:37 -0700 Received: from pentium (dialup17.sos.net) by sos.sos.net with SMTP id AA11826 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for toaster@webcom.com); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 01:36:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199508180836.AA11826@sos.sos.net> X-Sender: astevens@sos.sos.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 01:59:37 -0700 To: toaster@mail.webcom.com From: astevens@sos.sos.net (Andy Stevens) Subject: New Home Page 2 Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Invitation for anyone interested to check out our new home page. Ulti-Media Productions. Have a lot of stuff created with the New Tek systems and will be adding more as we go along. Will try to add avi clips of 3D projects, etc. in the future. Any way, stop by, look, enjoy and drop me a line. In my haste I forgot to post the address. http://www.skagit.com/um Andy Stevens Stevens Video Productions Ulti-Media Productions Ulti-Media Productions P.O. Box 444 astevens@sos.sos.net Anacortes, WA 98221 1-206-293-7044 1-206-299-2524 -- astevens@sos.sos.net (Andy Stevens) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Fri Aug 18 09:25:59 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA255863159; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 09:25:59 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA255373138; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 09:25:39 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA02559; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 12:31:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 12:31:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: RME3D@aol.com Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Broadcaster In-Reply-To: <950817234931_77473532@mail06.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 17 Aug 1995 RME3D@aol.com wrote: > I beleive its a DIGITAL NON LINEAR Editor... > Fancy Tape Deck without tape, but I dont > > I think its the Broadacster Elite, and I saw an ad for it in VTU I think. > > -Richie > What computer is it for? The Amiga? Does anyone have any specs or reviews on it? Blackout@igc.net Laugh with me, cry with me, and then please pay me. -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Fri Aug 18 13:53:44 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA251499224; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 13:53:44 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ns.ge.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA251259211; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 13:53:31 -0700 Received: from thomas.ge.com ([3.47.28.21]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA21167 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 16:59:22 -0400 Received: from stes02.sch.ge.com (stes02.sch.ge.com [3.72.108.134]) by thomas.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA26463 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 16:48:15 -0400 Received: from gne018.sch.ge.com (gne018.sch.ge.com [3.72.116.93]) by stes02.sch.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA21613 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 16:59:19 -0400 Received: (from kosaroeu@localhost) by gne018.sch.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA03247 for toaster@webcom.com; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 16:59:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 16:59:16 -0400 From: Eugene Kosarovich Message-Id: <199508182059.QAA03247@gne018.sch.ge.com> To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Flyer Hard Drives X-Status: N X-Mailer: Applixware 3.1(473) Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk According to NewTek today, the only drive that they have tested that will sustain HQ5 on 100% of it is the Quantum Atlas 2GB. Of course, they aren't saying that ones they haven't tested can't. They also told me there are no approved RAID solutions. More importantly, for us Seagate Barracuda users, there is a firmware mod. coming in the near future to allow us to use HQ5 consistently on 78% of the surface of the drive. Much better than no HQ5! That's about 12 minutes on a 4GB drive. By the way, the real reason that the Flyer puts a higher demand on the hard drives is, unlike other compression schemes, it pulls a full color frame at a time off the drive, that's four fields. Eugene -- Eugene Kosarovich posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Fri Aug 18 16:09:14 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA095372426; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:33:46 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA094762370; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:32:50 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA02164; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:24:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:24:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: Eugene Kosarovich Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com, lightwave@mail.webcom.com, rec.video.production@igc.net, rec.video.desktop@igc.net Subject: The BIG decision! In-Reply-To: <199508101346.JAA25783@gne018.sch.ge.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Aug 1995, Eugene Kosarovich wrote: > One thing I wanted to mention after seeing the letter you forwarded from J. > David Johnson: > > You do need a high quality deck for playing to and recording from the Flyer. > Don't waste your money on a cheap deck. And you should definately send the > signal through a TBC first. > > Eugene > I will be usinf mostly BetaSP with some Hi8 and Super VHS work. I am doing a show for television called Blackout's Box which is a comedy/sketch show about a 20 something weirdo outcast. PLus I will be doing work for clients who want HIGH QUALITY stuff which is why I'm using beta SP, this is stuff that will be sold and played on actual tv networks so it has to be the best quality it can be. The one thing that worries me is some of the toasters cheaper effects and manipulation of DVEs.. the toasters effects are easily recongnized as toaster effects. I am in a big struggle with my self right now as to whether I should buy a toaster/flyer system or the Aladdin package for IBM pentium. In the end.. they will come out to about the same price but I get the non linear editing with the toaster/flyer route.. or I get the really slick professional looking switcher with the Aladdin route. With the Aladdin's switcher you can program your own transitions. You can do real time logo fly ins and spins and all sorts of stuff that you just can't do with the toaster. Basically.. the toaster allows you to put nice looking graphics you made with the framestore OVER your video, but you can't manipulate them like you can with Aladdin. PLus Aladdin has a true chroma key.. not a cheap luminance keyer. But.. I am used to the toaster and I like lightwave.. I like the CG quality and what not.. I'm trying to decide the best way to go. There is no chroma effects or decent 3D program or non linear editing with Aladdin. Is there anything else out there to consider? If the toaster just had better real time video scaling and the "make your own transition" programing that Aladdin had, I would choose the toaster. But Aladdin's switcher is just really really nicer than the toasters. But then I don't have lightwave 3D and I don't have chroma effects.. and I like the Amiga OS way better than running something under windows. Let me know what you think - this goes to anybody familiar with video systems who is reading this. Also.. what are the best decks to go as far as Hi8 and super VHS? There are these little cheap $500 Hi8 decks from sony that look just as good to me as the big $1350 decls but they don't have the digital sound insert and all that. I might buy them as playback decks. As far as super VHS.. all I can think of is the Ag 1970 panisonic.. Is there anything that has the jog shuttle and editing freatures.. etc.. that is better video quality than this? At a good price.. I don't want to pay beta prices for a S- VHS decks.. because some S VHS deck prices are really ridiculous and the quality doesn't even seem that much better. blackout@igc.net -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Fri Aug 18 16:13:31 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA096702517; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:35:18 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net ([205.198.244.20]) by webcom.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA096002473; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:34:33 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA02180; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:26:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:26:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: rec.video.desktop@igc.net, rec.video.production@igc.net, toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Canon L2? (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:11:32 -0400 From: John M. Young To: Blackout Subject: Re: Canon L2? > >Just as a little tip, try using your shutter slow down feature (or gain up) >on your L2 and set it to 30. (The first mode of gain up) >Walk around and film a little bit (you will have to use manual focus) >and try to take some medium to close shots of things. Then play the tape >back on your TV and you will see that it looks very much like 16 MM film >stock from documentary movies. > >I use this feature all the time to do student films. > >Blackout@igc.net > > thanks...i'll give it a try.... John M. Young ------------------------------------------------------------- Interactive Business Solutions ------------------------------ Internet: WWW http://ibsol.com/homepages/jyoung/ibs.htm e-mail: jyoung@fastlane.net jyoung@drwatson.com jyoung@ibsol.com Voice: (214) 521-1576 Address: 3629 Shenandoah Dallas, Texas 75205 ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Fri Aug 18 17:58:16 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA291363896; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 17:58:16 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kitten.mcs.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA290673867; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 17:57:48 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA21484 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 20:03:39 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Fri, 18 Aug 95 20:02 CDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 20:02 CDT From: johnc@mcs.com (John Crookshank) To: toaster@mail.webcom.com (toaster) Subject: Re: Flyer Time Lapse Imagery? Message-Id: <1985.6438T948T359@mcs.com> X-Mailer: THOR 2.1ß (TCP/IP) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 40 Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk on 17-Aug-95 13:57:16, DanEsmond (DanEsmond@aol.com) Emailed: > In a message dated 95-08-17 09:45:10 EDT, you write: >>I was going to experiment with time lapse and I was hoping someone >>might have some suggestions about subject matter... >> >> Sunsets, Clouds, Flowers, etc.. > Hmmm... I was just thinking... It might be neat to see a fresh ant hill > being constructed close up, or maybe put out a cheeto and watch them > take it apart. How about a parking lot from sun-up to sun-down? ... or > maybe those magic crystals that grow stalagmites when dropped into that > special solution. Freeze a rubber glove full of water, then record it > melting in some strange place.... A bird feeder....Your sleep > patterns.... A playground.... The beach... A shipping port...The > possiblities are almost endless. About 20 years ago I made a really neat sequence in a vacation home movie with my Super-8 camera while traveling through the mountains near Yellowstone & Jackson Hole, Wyoming. I put my camera on a tripod on the floor behind me, aimed out the windshield over my right shoulder, zoomed enough so you only saw out through the front window of the car. Then set my interval timer to a frame per a couple of seconds or so. The long, laborious, and sometimes treacherous trek through the mountain passes and switchbacks plays back in just a couple of minutes, and appears like I was going maybe 200mph. With all the switchbacks in the road, it almost makes you seasick to watch it. Anyone who has ever seen that has always sommented on how cool it came out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- | John Crookshank | johnc@mcs.com | | MicroTech Solutions, Inc. | http://www.digiweb.com/~johnc/ | |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Desktop video systems dealer - finger/www for more info. | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- johnc@mcs.com (John Crookshank) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Fri Aug 18 22:30:46 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA085030246; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 22:30:46 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.globalone.net (mail.global1.net) by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA084480223; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 22:30:24 -0700 Received: from shell.globalone.net (davewarner@shell.globalone.net [198.69.121.31]) by mail.globalone.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA27467 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 01:36:17 -0400 Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 01:36:16 -0400 (EDT) From: davewarner@globalone.net X-Sender: davewarner@shell.globalone.net To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Test! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk And this is another test. -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sat Aug 19 07:47:16 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA084013635; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 07:47:16 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from callnet.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA083363605; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 07:46:45 -0700 Received: from totoket.callnet.com (ip99.callnet.com [199.92.200.99]) by callnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA29008; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 10:57:34 -0400 Date: Sat, 19 Aug 95 09:40:30 PDT From: John DeNicola Subject: RE: LW in-focus To: Mario Cascio , toaster@mail.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon V0.05, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:42:15 -0700 Mario Cascio wrote: > > >Just got done watching Mark Thompson's LW in-focus video. It's a good >quality tape showing off some advanced features that will surely aid me >in future projects. He also shows how some of his effects were created >in his Fred Floaty animation created a while back. I just wanted to say that the Fred Floaty animation was terrific! >For example, rotoscoping techniques. Me Too! I think that it was mentioned in the last issue that there would be an upcoming article about rotoscoping. They should release it on CDROM. Recently, I shot some footage of these very large bubbles floating around the coubtryside and starting thinking about rotoscoping, i.e like what exactly is the technique of rotoscoping. How can I use the Flyer/Lightwave to key video on top of the video of the bubbles. BTW, these bubbles had some great reflections, surface, and motion paths. It's interesting how using these technology shapes your perspectives. These days, I find myself appreciating the simple esthetic value of surfaces, shape, motions, etc.. animation! women! life! John DeNicola A Very Happy Subscriber of VTU & LightwavePro w/Tutorial Disks 96' . -- John DeNicola posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sat Aug 19 11:55:49 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA188718549; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 11:55:49 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA188008527; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 11:55:28 -0700 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA13500 for toaster@webcom.webcom.com; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 15:01:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 15:01:21 -0400 From: AndySteph@aol.com Message-Id: <950819150117_78484887@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Forget the Flyer Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk As many of you bemoan the fate of your Flyer system with it's many bug's and delays, as well as a rather clunky interface, I offer you an alternative. First of all I am in no way associated with any company. I am a relatively small time video producer who is always on the look out for the next tool to make my work easier and better. I thought the Flyer might be that system, untill..... After reading the extremely positive review in the latest Video Toaster User about the Applied Magic Digital Broadcaster Elite NL Editing System I became intrigued and curious. As luck would have it I live in San Diego and there offices are in Vista, CA which is only about half an hour away from me. I called and set up a demo, and what a demo it was. The card runs off a 4000 or 3000. They had a stock 4000 with 12 meg of ram on the unit I saw. You also need a fast SCSI board (Warp or Fastlane) and of course a fast HD. Now I could go on and on about the extremely impressive picture quality (better than the Flyer with over six quality compression settings), the different inputs (component, composite and YC) while the Flyer is strictly composite. Perhaps one of the nicest differences in the two systems is the interface. The Timeline interface is much easier abd intuitive to work with than the crouton system of the Flyer. There aren't any neat little pictures of the clip but you can use extensive written descriptions that can convey much more information than a little thumbnail picture of part of a scene. Perhaps the biggest difference in the two systems is the way transitions are handled. On the DBE they are rendered, like the AVID systems. Now, before you start whining I will tell you that it renders extremley quickly, even on a stock 4000, and because the Amiga multi-tasks you can continue to edit while the transition is rendering. This allows cures the blocky transitions of the Toaster. The transitions are very clean. This also means you only need 1 hard drive to do AB roll. I suppose the biggest advantage of the Flyer is it's ability to integrate within the Toaster system and having access to the many wipes. Now, lets be honest. 90% of video work is cuts, another 8% is dissolves, and the rest are wipes and other Toaster type transitions. I think you can trade off the Kiki Bell effect in exchange for a high quality system that works. And that's the most important thing IT WORKS! System 2.2 of the Producer software (thats the editing software) is ready now and it is amazing. Now there are drawbacks. Since the DBE directly works withe the Amiga OS you are limited to only 4 gigs per hard drive, roughly 20 minutes of lossless video. But you can stack many 4 gigs together so you could concievably have a couple of hours of video. Basically it just means no 9 gig hard drives. The audio is a little limited right now as well. It interfaces directly with the Sunrize audio card which is extremly versatile and allows for 2 sets of stereo pairs, it just doesn't offer extensive audio editing capabilities from within the system. I realize 4 channels of audios is probably plenty for most projects but I just wanted to point out that limitation. However, by Christmas (thats what they told me) Applied Magic will be releasing a 32 bit audio card that directly interfaces with the editor which will allow for 16 (!) channels of audio. I saw the card but it wasn't completely working quite yet. The Digital Broadcaster card itself is a thousand dollars more than the Flyer card but you only need one hard drive for AB roll so there is savings to be had. I'm not knocking the Flyer at all. If it's a system that works for you than thats great. I have heard many positive things and complaints about the Flyer on this board so I just thought I would offer an alternative. An alternative that WORKS completely. My business often revolves around the Toaster and its capabilities, and it still will. The Toaster can still be used in the DBE enviroment for graphics and animation. If you can read the review in VTU this month and before you take that Flyer plunge, check out the DBE system. -- AndySteph@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sat Aug 19 16:03:50 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA006403429; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 16:03:50 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA005613401; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 16:03:21 -0700 Received: by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA09643; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 19:09:15 -0400 Date: 19 Aug 95 19:08:15 EDT From: Bob Gould <70263.504@compuserve.com> To: Subject: Flyer failures Message-Id: <950819230814_70263.504_CHV42-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk To: Internet:Toaster@webcom.com I have had a Flyer since Feb, and I was able to record my FIRST real session in the last two weeks. ALL that time my system has been inop due to the Flyer and the Toaster! It still doesn't work right! My problem is different than Eugene Kosarovich's and Joe Angell's , however, in that when my system crashes it is normally on a boot (or a reboot after the software locks up), and the computer won't boot at all. It never even gets past the self test (dim power LED) stage. If I remove the Flyer or the Toaster, the computer will boot up fine, and if I reinsert them, it may or may not work. This has happened with each Flyer I have had (3, to date), and with a Toaster 2000 (which has been repaired twice), and with two 2000s and one 3000T. The problem usually requires that both the Flyer and the Toaster be installed, as removing either one will allow a normal boot of the computer, but in the 2000, it seemed to follow the Flyer. NewTek has had NO answers. The boards work ok for a few days, then the problems start. I have also had problems with the autohue, and the Toaster not recognizing there is a cable connected between program output and input 2, and with the Toaster not recognizing sync and passing it on -- Bob Gould <70263.504@compuserve.com> posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sat Aug 19 20:32:08 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA112079528; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 20:32:08 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix3.ix.netcom.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA111439506; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 20:31:46 -0700 Received: from Bushwick by ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id UAA09325; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 20:35:26 -0700 Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 20:35:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199508200335.UAA09325@ix3.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: bushwick@smtp.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@mail.webcom.com From: Pete Rittwage Subject: New Video Toaster Flyer WWW page. Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Check it out at "http://www.io.com/~kgk/pete". From there, cllick on the familiar VT4000 icon. It features bug reports, workarounds, version information, hints and tips for the Flyer. The site also features custom graphics rendered in LW4 all the way down to the backdrop images. Pete -- Pete Rittwage posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sun Aug 20 07:44:16 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA210749854; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 07:44:16 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA210079827; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 07:43:48 -0700 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #10880) id <01HUAKRM5LIU90R28T@delphi.com>; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:49:40 -0400 (EDT) From: MADVIDEO@delphi.com Subject: DAT drives To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Message-Id: <01HUAKRM5LIW90R28T@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: INTERNET"toaster@webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Can anyone recommend a DAT drive to use with the Flyer. I am currently using an Exabyte 8505XL which is great but I don't need that much storage for each project. I also need the DAT drive so it will work with my Alpha. Marc Dole 603-659-7778 Alpha Lightwave Animator * Amiga Re-Animator * Flyer Pilot * AVID Media Composer 1000 junkie -- MADVIDEO@delphi.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sun Aug 20 10:30:43 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA173399843; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:30:43 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from it.uwp.edu by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA172599817; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:30:17 -0700 Received: by it.uwp.edu id AA02584 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for toaster@mail.webcom.com); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 12:34:54 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 12:34:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Mario Cascio Subject: Re: DAT drives To: MADVIDEO@delphi.com Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com In-Reply-To: <01HUAKRM5LIW90R28T@delphi.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk > Can anyone recommend a DAT drive to use with the Flyer. I am currently using > an Exabyte 8505XL which is great but I don't need that much storage for each > project. I also need the DAT drive so it will work with my Alpha. > > > Marc Dole 603-659-7778 Alpha Lightwave Animator * Amiga Re-Animator * Flyer > Pilot * AVID Media Composer 1000 junkie Marc, Check out the latest issue of VTU. There is a 1 GIG drive backup for only $499 that should be out in a month or two. It is supposed to be able to transfer over 6 MB per second. 1 GIG tapes sell for around $99 each. You might even be able to use it to play sound directly into the FLYER. This is probably the route I will take in the future. Good luck. Mario Cascio ProMotion -- Mario Cascio posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sun Aug 20 10:45:05 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA203060705; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:45:05 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA202540686; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:44:46 -0700 Received: from mailhost.primenet.com (root@mailhost.primenet.com [198.68.32.50]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA04137 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:51:59 GMT Received: from mcbones.primenet.com (ip007.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.7]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA27120 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:50:37 -0700 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:50:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199508201750.KAA27120@mailhost.primenet.com> X-Sender: djmccoy@mailhost.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@mail.webcom.com From: "Daniel J. McCoy" Subject: Re: DAT drives Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk At 10:31 AM 8/20/95 -0700, you wrote: >> Can anyone recommend a DAT drive to use with the Flyer. I am currently using >> an Exabyte 8505XL which is great but I don't need that much storage for each >> project. I also need the DAT drive so it will work with my Alpha. >Check out the latest issue of VTU. There is a 1 GIG drive backup for >only $499 that should be out in a month or two. It is supposed to be >able to transfer over 6 MB per second. 1 GIG tapes sell for around $99 >each. You might even be able to use it to play sound directly into the >FLYER. This is probably the route I will take in the future. Are you sure it was tape or was that IOmega's upcoming 1GB removable drive (much like their ZIP drive)? DAT tapes generally cost $20 or so and can hold more than 1GB). I've got a SONY 5000 DAT drive that'll do 8GB hooked up to my PC. Works great under NT. I'm not sure how it'd perform hooked up to the Flyer though. Dan -- Daniel J. McCoy - djmccoy@primenet.com or dan@acti.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sun Aug 20 15:02:10 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA015526130; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 15:02:10 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.infinet.com (ns.infinet.com) by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA014996111; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 15:01:51 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0skITH-000JjqC; Sun, 20 Aug 95 18:03 EDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 18:03:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. David Johnson" X-Sender: jdavid@rigel To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: DAT drives In-Reply-To: <01HUAKRM5LIW90R28T@delphi.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 20 Aug 1995 MADVIDEO@delphi.com wrote: > Can anyone recommend a DAT drive to use with the Flyer. I am currently using > an Exabyte 8505XL which is great but I don't need that much storage for each > project. I also need the DAT drive so it will work with my Alpha. > I have the Sony SDT-5000 too. And it works great with the Flyer. Altho currently, Newtek's backup operation does not take advantage of the (any) drive's speed. Hopefully when 4.1 (or dare I ask 4.05) comes out... J. David - Video GT -- "J. David Johnson" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Mon Aug 21 09:05:52 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA217961151; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:05:52 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ns.ge.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA216681099; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:05:00 -0700 Received: from thomas.ge.com ([3.47.28.21]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA09964 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 11:52:25 -0400 Received: from stes02.sch.ge.com (stes02.sch.ge.com [3.72.108.134]) by thomas.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA09241 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 11:40:52 -0400 Received: from gne018.sch.ge.com (gne018.sch.ge.com [3.72.116.93]) by stes02.sch.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA06846 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 11:52:21 -0400 Received: (from kosaroeu@localhost) by gne018.sch.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA04502 for toaster@webcom.com; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 11:52:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 11:52:16 -0400 From: Eugene Kosarovich Message-Id: <199508211552.LAA04502@gne018.sch.ge.com> To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Flyer Crash Problem Solved X-Status: N X-Mailer: Applixware 3.1(473) Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Well, I figured out my crashing problem. NewTek told me that 4.04b has a bug regarding CG crawls. You are limited to 10 per project. I had 9 in mine when I was crashing. I tried deleting them from the project and it would crash instead of letting me delete them! So, I had to project/project edit and move everthing but the crawls to the new project. Then it played back perfect! I tried one crawl and found that although the crawl itself wouldn't crash me, other effects would start causing crashes if any crawls were in the project! So, no crawls till 4.05 for me! I substituted keys for crawls and the project played back fine! One problem answered. Eugene -- Eugene Kosarovich posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Mon Aug 21 09:21:39 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA241612099; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:21:39 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA239952041; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:20:42 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA07522; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 12:26:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 12:26:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: jkrause357@aol.com Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Beta SP prices? In-Reply-To: <9508191317.AA26165@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 19 Aug 1995 jkrause357@aol.com wrote: > also e-mail me on prices your finding currently for UVW,also watch it with > the flyer i own one and right now it sucks Umm.. what's UVW? I have found that some people have the flyer and it works perfectly and some people have it and can't get it to work for the life of them... What's with that? Blackout@igc.net -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 22 01:56:35 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA060331795; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 01:56:35 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA059211758; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 01:55:58 -0700 Received: from hobo.online.portal.com (hobo.online.portal.com [156.151.5.5]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA05253 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 02:01:00 -0700 From: RickB@cup.portal.com Received: (pccop@localhost) by hobo.online.portal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id CAA22203 for toaster@webcom.com; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 02:00:59 -0700 To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Dat and Drives Lines: 42 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 02:00:59 PDT Message-Id: <9508220200.1.22170@cup.portal.com> X-Origin: The Portal System (TM) Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Several have asked about Dat drives and which are the best. Well, I spent about a month investigating this question and the answer for me was an archive Python 4-8 DAT 4mm drive. The transfer rates for all the tape drives was terribly slow. The fastest is a streaming tape technology that is being used in the industrial mainframe file server community. These drives are in the $2000 to $3500 range and the tapes are $99 each. They hold 2.6 Gigs and transfer at from 1.5 to 2 megs/sec. and are called DLT drives by Quantum and Conner. Too pricy for me. Everyone that I asked about the 8mm drives said that they were harder on the tape and less reliable. I didn't like hearing that either. And their transfer rates were about the same as 4mm DAT. So now which 4mm dat would work I asked. Well, after buying 2 different drives and haveing trouble, I finally hit on a winner. It seems that many of the drives say they are 4 Gigs but they are taking into account the compression that is built into the drives. Well video doesn't compress much so I was only getting a little less that 2 gigs on each tape from what was supposed to be a 4 Gig drive. So the drive I settled on is a native mode 4 Gig Archive Python. I am getting about 400k per second and have restored without a hitch. Even though Newteks idea of backup flexability just proves that they are not using their own product, at least there is a way to backup digitally. The drive cost me $695 and I bought it from CSC in Sunnyvale CA. I have also found a great deal on 4mm 120 meter DAT tapes. I can get them for $6 each in 10 lot quantity. Let's see, each tape holds about 3.8 Gigs and with 10 tapes thats 38 Gigs ,give or take a Gig or two, and the price for the media is $60 yes Sixety dollars. That really beats $99 per 2.6 Gigs on the DLT drives. I hope this helps someone else out there that is looking for a reasonable hardware backup solution for the Flyer. Rick rickb@cup.portal.com -- RickB@cup.portal.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 22 10:00:37 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA012530837; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:00:37 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from MIZZOU1.missouri.edu by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA011160787; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 09:59:47 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 09:59:47 -0700 Received: from clone4 by MIZZOU1.missouri.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Tue, 22 Aug 95 12:07:00 CDT X-Sender: c404266@mizzou1.missouri.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@mail.webcom.com From: c404266@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Ferrel) Subject: 4 fields per frame? Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk >Eugene Kosarovich wrote: >By the way, the real reason that the Flyer puts a higher demand on the hard > drives is, unlike other compression schemes, it pulls a full color frame at a > time off the drive, that's four fields. Since when does a frame of video have more than 2 frames? Is that HDTV or what? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John Ferrel C404266@mizzou1.missouri.edu Rm# 259 University of Missouri Research Reactor Reactor Park Columbia, MO 65211 (314) 882-5248 or 5338 Work (314) 443-0077 Home A4000/Toaster4000/PAR/TBCIV PAID-animator-want-to-be -- c404266@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Ferrel) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 22 11:18:50 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA041945530; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 11:18:50 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ns.ge.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA038765379; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 11:16:19 -0700 Received: from thomas.ge.com ([3.47.28.21]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA04407 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:28:24 -0400 Received: from stes02.sch.ge.com (stes02.sch.ge.com [3.72.108.134]) by thomas.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA07682 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:16:39 -0400 Received: from gne018.sch.ge.com (gne018.sch.ge.com [3.72.116.93]) by stes02.sch.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA24630 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:28:21 -0400 Received: (from kosaroeu@localhost) by gne018.sch.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA05616 for toaster@webcom.com; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:28:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:28:17 -0400 From: Eugene Kosarovich Message-Id: <199508221728.NAA05616@gne018.sch.ge.com> To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Color Frame vs. Frame X-Status: N X-Mailer: Applixware 3.1(473) Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk >>Eugene Kosarovich wrote: >>By the way, the real reason that the Flyer puts a higher demand on the hard >> drives is, unlike other compression schemes, it pulls a full color frame at a >> time off the drive, that's four fields. >Since when does a frame of video have more than 2 frames? > Is that HDTV or what? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John Ferrel C404266@mizzou1.missouri.edu Nope, not HDTV, good 'ol NTSC. A frame of video is composed of 2 fields (odd and even). A COLOR FRAME is composed of two normal frames in a row, hence 4 fields, to give you 100% of the NTSC color information. No, this doesn't mean a normal frame isn't in color, COLOR FRAME is the name of a sequence of two normal frames. The way NTSC encodes, this gives you the best quality image for a still since all of the color information for a normal frame isn't always in that frame, hence the Toaster's framestores which are color frames (4 fields). That is why you can image stabilize to either 2 fields or 1 field. Also, if you look at your trim sliders on the Flyer, you will see that they can only move in 2 frame increments. They are moving a full COLOR FRAME at a time. Eugene -- Eugene Kosarovich posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 22 15:38:21 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA109211101; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:38:21 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ohsu.edu (wpsmtp.ohsu.edu) by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA108531073; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:37:54 -0700 Received: from ohsu-Message_Server by ohsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:31:27 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:28:06 -0700 From: Ed Weigel To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: micropolis dirves Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Our Flyer system includes five 9 gig micropolis model 1991 drives. These drives have approx 500 hours on them. They are beginning to fail. We used drivespeed to determine which one had failed. So far, we have returned 3 drives to the dealer. We have gotten one drive back from the dealer, and when I installed it there was a different revision number on the format screen. It was HT02 instead of HT01. One other number was different too. It appears that these drives represent a poor design. The first symptom of a bad drive is stuttering and/or black at a dissolve or other transition. We ran "drivespeed" to test the drives. Two of the bad drives got a return prompt of bad or corrupt data and a speed of infinite. Removing these drives from the system corrected the problem. The third bad drive never did get a return of bad data, but the speed kept falling off. Finally when it said 1.75 mb per sec I replaced it. That also cured the problem. Beware, The new GUI drivespeed tester included with version 4.05 said that these drives were good! Trust the old drivespeed that must be run from the shell. Those of you who only have two video drives are at a serious disadvantage. You can only test these drives with the drivespeed program and not by subtitution. However, please note, that each of my drives that proved to be bad by substitution also tested bad with the drivespeed program run from the shell. That program is available on the ftp.newtek.com site. Our other drives including a 4.2 gig Seagate is working fine. Stuttering at transition - suspect a drive ! ! May the force be with us - our drives are not -- Ed Weigel posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 22 15:42:19 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA115651339; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:42:19 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from Fox.NSTN.Ca (fox.nstn.ns.ca) by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA114821309; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:41:49 -0700 Received: from pembroke-ts-04.nstn.ca (pembroke-ts-04.nstn.ca [137.186.17.104]) by Fox.NSTN.Ca (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id TAA25784 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 19:32:51 -0300 Message-Id: <199508222232.TAA25784@Fox.NSTN.Ca> From: "Chris Purdie" To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 18:17:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Toaster Colour Bars Reply-To: topher@fox.nstn.ca Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk I am using a Toaster 4000 card, and I was wondering if there was any way to re-load the colour bars into the switcher? Is there an actual Framestore file, or are they internally generated during boot-up? After using the CG, they are gone from the DV bank and I hate to have to keep re-booting when I need to use them. Tx... -- "Chris Purdie" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 22 15:55:08 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA135752108; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:55:08 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.infinet.com by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA135062080; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:54:41 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0sl21J-000JdBC; Tue, 22 Aug 95 18:42 EDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 18:42:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. David Johnson" X-Sender: jdavid@rigel To: Chris Purdie Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Toaster Colour Bars In-Reply-To: <199508222232.TAA25784@Fox.NSTN.Ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 22 Aug 1995, Chris Purdie wrote: > > I am using a Toaster 4000 card, and I was wondering if there was any way > to re-load the colour bars into the switcher? Is there an actual > Framestore file, or are they internally generated during boot-up? After > using the CG, they are gone from the DV bank and I hate to have to keep > re-booting when I need to use them. > Chris, Next time you boot up, click on DV2 in the Program line to bring it to the Program Bus, then click SAVE and save it as a framestore. Sometimes the answer is so obvious, it is overlooked... Do it myself more often than not ;) J. David - Video GT -- "J. David Johnson" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 22 16:00:13 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA144822412; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:00:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.infinet.com by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA143852386; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:59:46 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0sl25f-000JceC; Tue, 22 Aug 95 18:46 EDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 18:46:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. David Johnson" X-Sender: jdavid@rigel To: Ed Weigel Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: micropolis dirves In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 22 Aug 1995, Ed Weigel wrote: > > Beware, The new GUI drivespeed tester included with version 4.05 said > that these drives were good! Trust the old drivespeed that must be run > from the shell. > Well, it is obvious you are one of the 4.05 beta testers... Are you at liberty to tell us what we'll be gettin' in a little while? What are the noticable improvements? Does it have the 4.0 beta LW and does it support the Flyer Clips directly! (Come on gotta have rendered layering!) J. David - Video GT -- "J. David Johnson" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 22 16:22:43 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA182083763; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:22:43 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from rocky.Oswego.EDU by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA181183727; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:22:07 -0700 Received: by oswego.Oswego.EDU (5.x/Osw4.1.35) id AA18135; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 19:13:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 19:13:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Geppner Subject: Re: Toaster Colour Bars To: toaster@mail.webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 22 Aug 1995, J. David Johnson wrote: > On Tue, 22 Aug 1995, Chris Purdie wrote: > > > > > I am using a Toaster 4000 card, and I was wondering if there was any way > > to re-load the colour bars into the switcher? Is there an actual > > Framestore file, or are they internally generated during boot-up? After > > using the CG, they are gone from the DV bank and I hate to have to keep > > re-booting when I need to use them. > > > > Chris, > > Next time you boot up, click on DV2 in the Program line to bring it to > the Program Bus, then click SAVE and save it as a framestore. > You could do that or you could just click on the color bar crouton in the F bank of Effects. Eric Geppner, Chief Engineer WTOP-TV10 SUNY OSWEGO Oswego, NY 13126 -- Eric Geppner posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 22 16:34:49 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA203924489; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:34:49 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA203134459; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:34:19 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA09010; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 19:25:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 19:25:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: John Ferrel Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: 4 fields per frame? In-Reply-To: <199508221709.NAA03179@discovery.igc.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 22 Aug 1995, John Ferrel wrote: > >Eugene Kosarovich wrote: > >By the way, the real reason that the Flyer puts a higher demand on the hard > > drives is, unlike other compression schemes, it pulls a full color frame at a > > time off the drive, that's four fields. > > Since when does a frame of video have more than 2 frames? Is that HDTV or what? > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > John Ferrel C404266@mizzou1.missouri.edu > Rm# 259 > University of Missouri Research Reactor > Reactor Park > Columbia, MO 65211 > (314) 882-5248 or 5338 Work > (314) 443-0077 Home > > A4000/Toaster4000/PAR/TBCIV PAID-animator-want-to-be > > -- > c404266@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Ferrel) posted this message. > To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com > For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com > (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com > Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com > I also have to wonder what you mean when you say it pulls a full color frame - four fields off the drice at one time. A full color frame is two video fields. Not four. Blackout -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 22 17:36:29 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA293778188; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 17:36:29 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from csuhayward.edu (csuh.csuhayward.edu) by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA293078167; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 17:36:07 -0700 Received: from barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu by csuhayward.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/30Jan95-0101PM) id AA09506; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 17:33:55 -0700 Received: from BARNEY/SpoolDir by barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu (Mercury 1.20); 22 Aug 95 17:22:52 PST8PDT Received: from SpoolDir by BARNEY (Mercury 1.20); 22 Aug 95 17:22:48 PST8PDT From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III" Organization: CSU, Hayward To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 17:22:44 PST8PDT Subject: Re: Toaster Colour Bars Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk > Date sent: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:56:02 -0700 > From: "J. David Johnson" > On Tue, 22 Aug 1995, Chris Purdie wrote: > > > > > I am using a Toaster 4000 card, and I was wondering if there was any way > > to re-load the colour bars into the switcher? Is there an actual > > Framestore file, or are they internally generated during boot-up? After > > using the CG, they are gone from the DV bank and I hate to have to keep > > re-booting when I need to use them. > > > > Chris, > > Next time you boot up, click on DV2 in the Program line to bring it to > the Program Bus, then click SAVE and save it as a framestore. > > Sometimes the answer is so obvious, it is overlooked... Do it myself > more often than not ;) > > J. David - Video GT here's something easier, well at least on my 2000 v2.0 (yeah i know... i'm planning to upgrade...), on the F bank of effect, the color bars is almost on the lower right. just click that sucker and it should reappear... ======================================================================== Leo G. Divinagracia III | --- __o | Magnetic Media Manipulator Spec. | ---- _`\<,_ Atlanta '96 | leo@barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu | --- (*)/ (*) | California State University, Hayward | | School of Business and Economics | Going for the gold!!! | ======================================================================== "Duct Tape: its like the Force - Dark on one side Light on the other side - and it holds the Universe together" -- "Leo G. Divinagracia III" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 22 19:10:25 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA149243824; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 19:10:25 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from server.iadfw.net by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA148393790; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 19:09:50 -0700 Received: from [204.178.72.236] (dal05-16.ppp.iadfw.net [204.178.72.236]) by server.iadfw.net (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA03230 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 21:01:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 21:01:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199508230201.VAA03230@server.iadfw.net> X-Sender: advmedia@server.iadfw.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@mail.webcom.com From: advmedia@iadfw.net (Terry Wester) Subject: DAT tapes Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk >>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 01:58:04 -0700 >>From: RickB@cup.portal.com >>The drive cost me $695 and I bought it from CSC in Sunnyvale CA. I have also >>found a great deal on 4mm 120 meter DAT tapes. I can get them for $6 each in >>10 lot quantity. Let's see, each tape holds about 3.8 Gigs and with 10 tapes >>thats 38 Gigs ,give or take a Gig or two, and the price for the media is $60 yes Sixety dollars. That really beats $99 per 2.6 Gigs on the DLT drives. Rick where do you get your 120 meter DAT tapes? And what kind of quality are they? Terry Wester Advanced Media 3D Animation/Graphics Video Production Video Editing 120 Sunnyvale Hurst, TX 76053 (Dallas/Ft Worth Area) (817) 268-2707 email: advmedia@iadfw.net -- advmedia@iadfw.net (Terry Wester) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 23 12:23:15 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA039135795; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:23:15 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA037385732; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:22:12 -0700 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA21032; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:13:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:13:34 -0400 From: CEVAnim@aol.com Message-Id: <950823151333_61503336@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: lightwave@mail.webcom.com, toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Loading Image Sequences from the PAR (HELP) Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk I've loaded 12 image sequences on 12 polys directly from the PAR. After a couple of trial runs I got all twelve to run perfectly, and consequently Lightwave crashed...no big deal, but now when I reload this scene one of those sequences is way off to the left. It looks like watching half a T.V. According to the thumbnail in the Images requester, it loaded from the PAR out of whack, although the original animation on the PAR is fine. I've reloaded the scene again, no luck. I've tried replacing the sequence after the scene is loaded...no worky. Anyone? Anyone? Mike Parisi CEVAnim -- CEVAnim@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 23 12:59:03 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA099167943; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:59:03 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ohsu.edu (wpsmtp.ohsu.edu) by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA098117902; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:58:23 -0700 Received: from ohsu-Message_Server by ohsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 07:49:33 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 07:46:06 -0700 From: Ed Weigel To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: 4.05 Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Eugene writes-- >>Where is the diskspeed program at NewTek's ftp site? What do they call it?<< sorry but I realized that I downloaded it from the Newtek BBS and not the FTP site. Newtek BBS is at 913-271-9299 - You must give your flyer serial number to get d/l privileges JDavid writes-- >>Are you at liberty to tell us what we'll be gettin' in a little while? What are the noticable improvements?<< No I'm not at liberty but will anyway I have not been able to evaluate it properly because of repeated drive failures. Here is a list of proposed features: >>>ReadMe Flyer 4.05 Read this file! The Flyer has undergone major changes and been given vital new features. Please read through this file to familiarize yourself with the new controls and features that you will find in Flyer 4.05. At the bottom of the list of new features you will find a list of the bugs that have been corrected in Flyer software. CD-ROM Access Faster CD-ROM access times have been restored (they had been slowed down intentionally to aid in tracking down bugs relating to SCSI errors). Backup Utility Tape backup will now work to a tape device connected to any Flyer SCSI chain (A, B, or C). High Quality 5 Mode A new recording mode, High Quality 5, has been added for greater recording fidelity. This mode is not supported by all drives, however, since it requires a higher *sustained* data rate than many drives can maintain. The High Quality 5 recording mode can now be turned on and off via the Setup panel (F10 from any editor view). The state of this button is remembered from session to session, so you do not need to turn it on repeatedly. After activating HQ5, you may select the High Quality 5 setting from the record panel. (You can no longer press LAlt+RAlt+tilde to access the HQ5 mode.) Note: Remember that you can sucessfully use HQ5 mode only if your drives support it. The DriveSpeed utility program can help you and your dealer assess a drive's compatibility with HQ5. Note: With HQ5 activated, LightWave will record better-quality clips as well. Mark Clip(s) and Cutting Room Panels 1) A new button to remove the currently selected clip has been added. It's labeled "Remove." 2) New keyboard shortcuts when marking clips. #x.....remove clip #n.....jump to next defined clip (also numeric keypad plus key) #p.....jump to previous defined clip (also numeric keypad minus key) #s.....make Flyer still (out-point jumps to in-point of current clip) Key Pages 1) Key pages now work in sequencing. However, remember that you cannot use keys with effects. They can only appear over video clips. 2) New checkboxes for Fade In and Fade Out have been added to the control panel for key pages. Looping Overlay Effects The control panel for looping effects has been expanded. It now contains three additional gadgets: a "Lock" checkbox (to lock the crouton in relation to its current program time location), a "Time" time code readout (which displays the locked program time value) and, if the effect utilizes a matte color, a color pop- up. Note: When running, these effects can be aborted by right-clicking. Static Overlay Effects The control panel for overlay effects has been expanded. It now contains three additional gadgets: a "Lock" checkbox (to lock the crouton in relation to its current program time location), a "Time" time code readout (which displays the locked program time value) and, if the effect utilizes a matte color, a color pop- up gadget. Note: When running one of these effects, abort it by right-clicking. Sequencer 1) Single drives now work for cuts-only editing. 2) When a project is ready to play, a dialog appears, waiting for you to start the playback with a mouse click (or Return). 3) Sequencer can now play clips as short as 2 frames (4 fields). 4) New keyboard shortcuts in the editor. #F9.....open control panel for selected clip #Delete.....delete currently highlighted crouton(s), with confirmation 5) The Play button is essentially a hard-wired "Play-From the first crouton" button. In most situations, this works correctly. However, if you have an audio crouton positioned *after* a video crouton in the project storyboard, and that audio crouton begins its playback *before* any video is seen, then the Play button will begin project playback at the first video crouton. The audio will simply start with the video. #To avoid this, you can insert a Flyer still of video black to act as a "video source" during which the audio can begin. In fact, you may prefer to begin most projects with some amount of black or bars as a matter of practice. General 1) New Custom Start icon launches Flyer into Projects/Files mode. You can duplicate the icon and edit the script to start up in the view you wish, or even the application you wish. 2) In a files view, when you select a drive (hard drive, floppy, etc.), the Flyer displays expanded information about the drive, including the percentage of free space remaining, the largest free block available for recording, and the largest free block if the drive is reorganized (defragmented). 3) Also in the files view, when you select a clip, the Flyer displays expanded information about the clip, including its length. 4) In any project, Alt-a will turn on or off the audio playback for selected clips. 5) In any project, Alt-l will turn on or off the program time lock option for selected clips. 6) Press Esc during project playback to abort playback. Locking Croutons in Place Croutons may now be "locked" in place (in relation to program time) so that their current position in the project cannot be changed. For example, here's how the Flyer used to work in previous releases. Place four croutons in a row. Assume that each one lasts for one second, and that you timed them so that each one occurs at a key moment in relation to an audio track. Now suppose you change the first crouton to one-half second's length, all of the timing for the croutons that follow has also been shifted. They effectively shuffle forward one-half second. If the project has been edited to music, or narration, all succeeding croutons now occur too soon. Their timing has been messed up. Using the lock function, you can lock croutons to the program time. Changes made to croutons "in front of" any other croutons will not affect their occurrence in the project, which is now based their location in relation to program time at the moment they were locked. Audio and video crouton control panels now contain a "Lock" checkbox along with the "Time" time code readout. The lock checkbox indicates whether the crouton has been locked to the program time, while the time code readout displays the program time that it has been locked to. With the checkbox activated and a time value present, the crouton will play at that moment during playback. (Locked croutons also show a tiny padlock icon in the editor.) New Icon Appearance in Project Windows When a crouton has been locked to the program time, its icon (in the project window display) will show a tiny padlock in the upper left-hand corner. This serves as a visual indication that it has been locked. (Within its panel, you'll also fine a "Lock" checkbox that indicates this.) >From the keyboard, you can lock and unlock the selected crouton(s) by holding Alt and pressing l. The keyboard shortcut, Alt+l, toggles on and off. Also, when a crouton has active audio (its audio will be heard during sequence playback) its icon will now show a tiny audio speaker in the upper right-hand corner. This serves as a visual indication that its audio is active. >From the keyboard, you can activate and deactivate audio for the selected crouton(s) by holding Alt and pressing a. The keyboard shortcut, Alt+a, toggles on and off. This is particularly handy for turning off the audio playback of a large group of croutons in one operation. Editing a Video Clip Several enhancements have been made to the control panels for video and auido clips. They are described below. Shift mode... You can re-synchronize the video and audio sliders after you've separated them within a video clip control panel. To do so, in Fine Tune mode hold Shift and click on either video-in slider. The corresponding audio slider will jump into alignment with the video slider. Continue holding Shift and drag the video slider and the video and audio sliders will now move in unison. This also works when you hold Shift and drag on the jog/shuttle arrow for either the in-point or the out-point.. Ctrl mode... If you want to change which portion of a recorded clip you are using *without* changing the duration that you are using, you can. This allows you to shift *both* the in and out sliders forward or backward in one step, while they remain the same distance apart. In Fine Tune mode, hold Ctrl and drag either video or audio slider. Both sliders (in and out) will move together. The duration for the clip remains constant, you are simply moving the entire duration forward or backward in time within the full length of the recorded clip. (You will see and hear the material associated with the slider you are moving. In other words, if you drag the left video slider with Ctrl, both sliders move but you view the in-point. If you drag the right audio slider, both sliders will move but you hear the out-point.) This also works when you hold Ctrl and drag on the jog/shuttle arrows for either the in-point or the out-point. Shift+Ctrl mode... To maintain the length of the video portion of a clip *and* re-synchronize the audio sliders to the video, in Fine Tune mode hold both Shift and Ctrl and drag either video slider. Both audio sliders will jump into synchronization with the video sliders, and all four sliders will move in unison (video-in, video-out, audio-in, audio-out). This allows you to change the content of the edited segment without changing its length. Editing Video to an Audio Track It's now possible to edit your video segments so that edits fall on the appropriate music (or narration) cues. For example, suppose you have a music track with a strong beat and you want to make every edit fall on the beat. Select the audio crouton, hold Alt, and click on Play-From. The first video clip that follows the audio clip will highlight, and the audio clip will begin playing. For each video crouton that you want to lock to a moment during the audio playback, press the Spacebar. That crouton will be "locked" in time (based on the Program time) and the crouton next to it will highlight. Continue pressing Spacebar as desired to lock a group of video croutons to the audio track. When done, click the Stop button (or press Esc). The Flyer will ask if you wish for it to automatically adjust the out-points of the locked-down clips (when editing to audio, you are setting only the in-point for each clip). In most cases, you will want to click OK. After a moment, all adjustments will have been made and you can play the project. Other controls are also available when editing to audio: 1) Press Return (instead of Spacebar) to lock a crouton but not move to the next crouton. 2) Use the arrow keys to navigate up, down, and across the rows of the project during playback. This way you can "jump" to any crouton to lock it in time with the audio. Note: You can lock an audio crouton to another audio crouton using this technique. This allows you to combine sound effects with changes in the audio material. For example, you may want an explosion sound effect to occur when the music crashes. Select the music track and click Alt+Play-From, then lock the sound effect to the moment during the playback when the music peaks. Note: This method allows you to lock croutons to a single audio track. If you wish to play an entire project and lock a number of croutons to a number of audio tracks, hold Alt and click Play. The Play button always plays projects from the first crouton. As each audio track occurs (at its normal time in the project) you can lock other croutons to the program time. Editing Video to Multiple Audio Tracks (entire Project) If you have a large project with several audio tracks and hundreds of video clips, it may be easier to perform the "edit to audio" technique for the entire project in one operation. To do so, hold Alt and click on Play. The entire project will play, in real time, with the audio tracks occurring as they should. While they play, you can lock various video clips to the program time. When you are finished, click Stop (or press Esc) to exit this edit mode. The same instructions and controls as used in "Editing to an Audio Track" apply, except that you should hold Alt and click on Play. Editing Audio to a Video Clip It's now possible to edit audio events so that they occur at specific moments during a video clip. This is a variation of editing to audio. Rather than selecting an audio clip and locking video events to it, you select a video clip and lock audio events to it. The same instructions and controls as used in "Editing to an Audio Track" apply, except that you should highlight a video crouton before you hold Alt and click on Play-From. New ARexx Scripts 1) Butt Audio script allows audio clips to be chained in a linear fashion. 2) Max Vid Length script allows all video clips in a project to extend in out- points to full length (perfect for previewing LW animations). All in-points are moved to the very beginning of the clip; all out-points are moved to the very end of the clip. Freezing Video from Switcher The Freeze/Live buttons now work consistently. The "old ways" of capturing, by selecting an input and the two framebuffers, then clicking Freeze, is now restored. The new quick-and-easy way to capture an image, by clicking on the 1, 2, 3 or 4 button, now works. Switcher *always* captures a four-field color frame into DV1 only. DV2 will retain its contents. This was necessary. Configuring LightWave Plug-ins LightWave includes a set of plug-ins that must be configured for your system before you can use them. See the note, below, about "Saving LightWave Animations as Flyer Clips" for an example that explains how to do this. For any other plug-ins that you find in the appropriate plug-ins directory, install them in the same manner. Each plug-in will be added to LightWave's config file so that it will be available each time you run LightWave. Saving LightWave Animations as Flyer Clips You can now save a LightWave animation as a clip to a Flyer drive. The technique has been implemented as a LightWave plug-in. In order to use the plug-in, you must first add it to LightWave. (Once it has been added, it will remain available in all future LightWave sessions.) Follow the steps below. 1) Enter LightWave. 2) Go to the Options panel. 3) Click on Add Plug-ins. 4) Navigate to the Plug-ins directory (inside the main NewTek directory). Select and load the file clipsav.p. This automatically installs the plug-in and modifies LightWave's config file so that the plug-in will be available each time you run the program. 5) Go to the Record panel and drag the pointer over the Animation Type pop- up. Notice that you have two new options: FlyerClip and FlyerFilm. You can use these to save clips to the Flyer when rendering animations. FlyerClip saves a standard Flyer clip. FlyerFilm saves frames as if they had been transferred from film to video using the 3/2 pull-down technique. The result is that one second of film (24 frames) appears for every one second of video (30 frames). Note: If you wish to update or remove an existing plug-in, you will need to remove its command line from the LightWave config file. Use a text editor to delete the line from the file so that it will not appear in your plug-in pop-up menus. You may also wish to delete the actual plug-in executable from your hard disk. This is of course optional. -- Ed Weigel posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 23 17:43:58 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA298975038; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:43:58 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA298145012; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:43:32 -0700 Received: from Bushwick by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id RAA29557; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:32:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:32:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199508240032.RAA29557@ix4.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: bushwick@smtp.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@mail.webcom.com From: Pete Rittwage Subject: 4.05 features. Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk You can find the latest 4.05 features in the Flyer section of my web page--- "http://www.io.com/~kgk/pete" Pete -- Pete Rittwage posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 23 17:50:59 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA112430456; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 10:00:57 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ohsu.edu (wpsmtp.ohsu.edu) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA111880399; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 09:59:59 -0700 Received: from ohsu-Message_Server by ohsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 09:48:53 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 09:45:24 -0700 From: Ed Weigel To: blackout@igc.net, steve@conline.com, fredie@msgate.columbiasc.ATTGIS.COM Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? -Reply -Reply Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk >>>What hidden audio file? This may be what's causing an audio drive full problem that I'm having. I have 2 9GB video drives and a 1.6GB audio drive, but I'm getting a drive full message whenever I try to copy anything to the audio drive even though the NewTek INFO command reports it to be only 54% full. Even after reformatted the drive I have the problem and tech support at NewTek doesn't have an answer.<<< The problem as you describe it does not sound like the hidden audio files are causing your stuttering. I discovered that when we had very large projects with split edits everwhere, our video would stutter just before or after an edit point. I discovered that our wimpy .5 gig audio drive had a .5 gig hidden audio file. I also discovered that I had little hidden audio files scattered througout our video drives. We replaced the .5 gig audio drive with a 4 gig drive and formatted all the drives. The problem went away and has never returned. It sounds like you have an adequately sized audio drive. You should not be having that particular problem. Again we are having excellent results from the 1991 micropolis drives for video. Although one of our five drives did fail and is being replaced. Their performance while operating has been flawless. Maybe all the bad press here is being driven by those who have problems. The success stories probably just silently crank out videos. (Shades of the great silent majority) . Obviously I don't know whether the majority of flyers are successful or failures. We have been particularly lucky in that we have had an excellent Amiga dealer in town who has supported our six amigas in an exemplary fashion. I have had to do a live satellite uplink beginning at 7:00 PM. My toaster failed and I brought it to him at 3:00 PM. I had it back and running by 5:00 pm. Because of this level of service I have enjoyed for since 1987, I do not buy anything mail order. I pay him list price. As do other production houses in town. He is still in business in the face of a Commodore meltdown. He does not sell other products. Can your believe it? Customer loyalty built by service. I hope Escom revives the Amiga bigtime and he makes a mint, he deserves every penny. BTW I just finished editing a large video, all in HQ5, no stutter at all. -- Ed Weigel posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 24 07:26:16 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA079504376; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 07:26:16 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from bos1g.delphi.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA078654343; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 07:25:43 -0700 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #10880) id <01HUG4JOBQWG96VLHY@delphi.com>; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 10:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 10:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: MADVIDEO@delphi.com Subject: Flyer Restore To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Message-Id: <01HUG4JOC0JM96VLHY@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: INTERNET"toaster@webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk I set up a Flyer system for a client a few months ago. He purchased an Exabyte 8505XLE drive to backup his projects, this is the same drive I use. He backed up something under 4.03 and was told by Newtek that the Backup wouldn't work. They did tell him that he might have a chance to resotre under 4.04 but not 4.03. I have had not problem backing up and restoring (except dirty heads once). Is anyone else experiencing problems with 8505s or backups in general. Marc Dole 603-659-7778 Alpha Lightwave Animator * Amiga Re-Animator * Flyer Pilot * AVID Media Composer 1000 junkie -- MADVIDEO@delphi.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 24 08:46:13 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA227589173; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 08:46:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ksc5.th.com by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA225939114; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 08:45:14 -0700 Received: from (ksc5.th.com) by ksc5.th.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06283; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 22:35:35 +0700 Message-Id: <9508241535.AA06283@ksc5.th.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 13:45:30 From: imagine@ksc5.th.com Reply-To: imagine@ksc5.th.com Subject: Re: Flyer Restore To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Mailer: Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk >I set up a Flyer system for a client a few months ago. He purchased an >Exabyte 8505XLE drive to backup his projects, this is the same drive I use. >He backed up something under 4.03 and was told by Newtek that the Backup >wouldn't work. They did tell him that he might have a chance to resotre under >4.04 but not 4.03. I have had not problem backing up and restoring (except >dirty heads once). > >Is anyone else experiencing problems with 8505s or backups in general. > >Marc Dole 603-659-7778 Alpha Lightwave Animator * Amiga Re-Animator * Flyer >Pilot * AVID Media Composer 1000 junkie >-- >MADVIDEO@delphi.com posted this message. >To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com >For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com >(DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com >Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com > You're lucky you don't have a problem backing up and restoring flyer projects. I've still been waiting for the upgrade that can work with my exabyte 8200. Up until now (4.04b), I got messeges below when trying to backup my projects: TestTesting Unit : 203[EXABYTE EXB-8200] GOT IT Opening 'flyerscsi.device' unit 203 Reading Project "Toaster:Project/demo" Backup will require approx 2763 MBytes Please insert next tape. Please insert next tape. Please insert next tape. As you see, it sees my drive but doesn't see my tape. Now I still have my first project on my drive since I got the flyer 6 months ago!! Does anyone can help me, using any magic trick? I talked to NewTek guys at Siggraph, asking about specific model of tape drive that Flyer supports, so I'll buy it immediately but they advised me wait for the next release. They will come out with the software that can backup and restore with any scsi tape drive on the market. Let's hope they'll come out soon. Lakano -- imagine@ksc5.th.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 24 15:42:15 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA057494135; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 15:42:15 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ohsu.edu (wpsmtp.ohsu.edu) by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA055834076; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 15:41:16 -0700 Received: from ohsu-Message_Server by ohsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 15:35:20 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 15:31:57 -0700 From: Ed Weigel To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: test - dont read Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk test test -- Ed Weigel posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 24 21:13:04 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA276603984; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 21:13:04 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from halcyon.com (mail1.halcyon.com) by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA276313972; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 21:12:52 -0700 Received: from @mail.halcyon.com (blv-pm1-ip6.halcyon.com) by halcyon.com with SMTP id AA21142 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 21:04:15 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 21:04:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199508250404.AA21142@halcyon.com> X-Sender: tbmp@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@mail.webcom.com From: tbmp@halcyon.com Subject: Switcher Hell Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Dear Fellow Toaster Heads, Perhaps some of you wiser and more experienced souls can give me some advice (or where to go looking for it). I recently bought a 1gig drive and daisy chained it off the Octagon 2008 Controler and 540meg Quantum drive in my A2000. I also installed a Mega Chip 2000 and GVP 030/40 accel. (I removed the Mega Midget Racer the threw it in a box.) I reformated both drives and reinstalled Amiga 2.1. I installed my old version of 3.0 on a partion (via Quarterback)and the toaster 4.0 software (just cause I wanted to check it out) on another. Now my Toaster 2000 3.0 system crashes when I get about 6 pages into the switcher. Once in a while it will crash when it attempts to boot the toaster. Until I reinstalled 3.0 it was crashing upon switching between the switcher screen and the cg. This is really making me crazy! I've been trying to fix this thing for 3 days! Can some one steer me in the right direction. Terry Barksdale Barksdale Media/Issues In AIDS Education 1711 E. Alder, Seattle, Washington 98122 (206)726-1427 (fax)860-1704 (page)608-9428 -- tbmp@halcyon.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 24 21:55:50 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA034536550; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 21:55:50 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from it.uwp.edu by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA034026528; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 21:55:29 -0700 Received: by it.uwp.edu id AA20468 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ToasterMailingList ); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 23:46:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 23:46:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Mario Cascio Subject: CD slowdown after 4.04b To: ToasterMailingList Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk After I installed the FLYER 4.04b, it seems access time on my CD rom drive has slowed substantially. The light comes on the CD rom drive even when I'm not trying to load anything every so often. I never noticed this before I installed 4.04b. Anyone else have this problem? Thanks in advance. Mario Cascio ProMotion -- Mario Cascio posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Fri Aug 25 04:14:28 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA244819268; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 04:14:28 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.infinet.com by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA244609259; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 04:14:19 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0slwWG-000K5FC; Fri, 25 Aug 95 07:01 EDT Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 07:01:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. David Johnson" X-Sender: jdavid@rigel To: Mario Cascio Cc: ToasterMailingList Subject: Re: CD slowdown after 4.04b In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 24 Aug 1995, Mario Cascio wrote: > After I installed the FLYER 4.04b, it seems access time on my CD rom > drive has slowed substantially. The light comes on the CD rom drive even > when I'm not trying to load anything every so often. I never noticed > this before I installed 4.04b. > > Anyone else have this problem? > Yes, this is a well known bug with the 4.04B software. Easy fix is to copy the flyer.bin file from your 4.03 disks (Newtek/programs/Flyer_Support/Flyer.Bin) back to oyur hard drive. RENAME YOUR EXISTING ONE FIRST! Then after you use your CD (to installl or whatever) swap 'em again. BTW, if you have a SCSI controller for your computer, use it instead of hooking up to Flyer. You'll have quick and speedy access to your CD's thru AmigaDos! AND the Flyer CD install goes by volume name not device name, so will install really zippy this way... J. David - Video GT -- "J. David Johnson" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Fri Aug 25 09:37:46 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA073028666; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 09:37:46 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA072658648; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 09:37:29 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA17354; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:28:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:28:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: Phil South Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Confused in PC Land In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 25 Aug 1995, Phil South wrote: > In-Reply-To: <199508250348.XAA04389@tpa.cent.com> > > >I agree with all of this. I have a P90 with 16Mb RAM and Win3.11, plus > > >Triton chipset, and a Stealth 64 with 2Mb of VRAM and set to 64K > > colours >mode. Everything works fine. I will soon be switching to Win95. > > > > > > You should reconsider your operating system choice Windows NT will > > deliver > > substantially improved render times like 1/2 or better depending on what > > your rendering. I found zero increase in rendering performance with > > windows > > 95 so dropped for NT. don't waste your money. > > > > I get Windows 95 for free because I'm a journalist. So no waste of money > there. I might get NT, but as I only have 16Mb RAM I will stick with 95 > FTTB, at least until I get more RAM. > > My needs are twofold, I need to use Lightwave, and yes it would be nice > to have faster render times. But I also need a computer which is > compatible with what regular people are using, that is to say Win95, so I > can review products from their perspective. > > --- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Phil South "nuqDaq yuch Dapol" > Web Wizards Home Page http://www.wp.com/webs/ > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > snouty@cix.compulink.co.uk (Phil South) sent this message. > To Post a Message : lightwave@webcom.com > Un/Subscription Requests To : lightwave-request@webcom.com > (DIGEST) or : lightwave-digest-request@webcom.com > Administrative Items To : owner-lightwave@webcom.com > ALL versions of windows BITE the big one. It has been spoken. -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Fri Aug 25 14:32:31 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA180076351; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:32:31 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from server.iadfw.net by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA179586335; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:32:16 -0700 Received: from [204.178.73.29] (dal06-29.ppp.iadfw.net [204.178.73.29]) by server.iadfw.net (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA05796 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 16:23:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 16:23:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199508252123.QAA05796@server.iadfw.net> X-Sender: advmedia@server.iadfw.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@mail.webcom.com From: advmedia@iadfw.net (Terry Wester) Subject: Flyer 4.05 Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk I talked to NewTek's tech support today and they said that the flyer 4.05 may be avalible on there BBS today and this also includes an 4.0 version of Lightwave although I don't think it is the final release! The guy I talked to said that the LW on a 4000 would import flyer clips, but he didn't think it would work on a 2000 or 3000 yet. Well hopefuly I will have a upgrade by this time next week, but I don't expect to have it this weekend given Newteks promises of the past. Terry Wester Advanced Media 3D Animation/Graphics Video Production Video Editing 120 Sunnyvale Hurst, TX 76053 (Dallas/Ft Worth Area) (817) 268-2707 email: advmedia@iadfw.net -- advmedia@iadfw.net (Terry Wester) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Fri Aug 25 16:37:56 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA059613876; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 16:37:56 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.globalone.net (mail.global1.net) by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA059173861; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 16:37:41 -0700 Received: from shell.globalone.net (davewarner@shell.globalone.net [198.69.121.31]) by mail.globalone.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA20951; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:29:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:29:06 -0400 (EDT) From: davewarner@globalone.net X-Sender: davewarner@shell.globalone.net To: lightwave@mail.webcom.com Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Uh oh! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Gee, here's some good news.... WebCom has decided to terminate their mailing list services on November 30th! This means that the lists will have to be moved AGAIN, provided I can find some place to run them from that doesn't charge an arm and a leg for this service. Figures...less than a month after I take control things start to go straight to hell! -David Warner -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Fri Aug 25 20:00:49 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA086906048; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 20:00:49 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kitten.mcs.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA086156020; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 20:00:20 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA14793 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 21:51:46 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Fri, 25 Aug 95 21:51 CDT Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 21:51 CDT From: johnc@mcs.com (John Crookshank) To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Switcher Hell Message-Id: <1341.6445T564T2878@mcs.com> X-Mailer: THOR 2.1ß (TCP/IP) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 26 Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk on 24-Aug-95 21:13:22, tbmp (tbmp@halcyon.com) Emailed: > drives and reinstalled Amiga 2.1. I installed my old version of 3.0 on a > partion (via Quarterback)and the toaster 4.0 software (just cause I > wanted to check it out) on another. > Now my Toaster 2000 3.0 system crashes when I get about 6 pages into the > switcher. Once in a while it will crash when it attempts to boot the The Toaster software also installs files in the system partition (DH0: or wherever you boot from). If you did a Quarterback backup to restore it to another drive, you probably missed some of the system-level files in LIBS:, FONTS:, etc. And yes, the Toaster software has been known to crash if these files are missing or an improper version. While it's a pain, it is best to re-install from your original disks each time to make sure you have ALL the files in the right place. Restoring just the Toaster directory won't work correctly. ---------------------------------------------------------------- | John Crookshank | johnc@mcs.com | | MicroTech Solutions, Inc. | http://www.digiweb.com/~johnc/ | |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Desktop video systems dealer - finger/www for more info. | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- johnc@mcs.com (John Crookshank) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Fri Aug 25 20:51:05 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA165989064; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 20:51:05 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA165369041; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 20:50:42 -0700 Received: from hobo.online.portal.com (hobo.online.portal.com [156.151.5.5]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA22637 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 20:41:11 -0700 From: Harv@cup.portal.com Received: (pccop@localhost) by hobo.online.portal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA21655 for toaster@webcom.com; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 20:41:09 -0700 To: toaster@mail.webcom.com, lightwave@mail.webcom.com Subject: Wavies Award Winners Lines: 89 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 20:41:09 PDT Message-Id: <9508252041.1.21531@cup.portal.com> X-Origin: The Portal System (TM) Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Here are the winners of the "Wavey" Awards presented at SIGGRAPH '95 by Video Toaster User and LightWave Pro magazines. This is typed in from a list sent to me by Tom McAuliffe, Ed. in Chief of VTU. This posting should not be construed as any kind of official awards announcement. I'm just doing this as a favor for Tom. Contact avid@cup.portal.com or VTU at 408-774-6770 for more info. LOGO ANIMATION Winner - fusion Films Logo Animation, Mark Thompson, Fusion Films Runner up - GRID, Frank De Wolf, GRID Productinos Runner up - Minoru Sasaki-Technonet, TV Asahi Runner up - Hollywood 26, Laurent Bassett, iO Productions BEST LOGO STILL Runner Up - Time Tunnels Logo - Edward Dick, Jr. & Brady Caverly, Triptych Entertainment Ruuer up - Hernandez Law, Dale A. Hazelwood Winner - Lunar Media - Pam Moss, 2pm Productions BEST YOUTH ANIMATION Winner - UFO - Invasion - Christian Stoehr Runner up - Logomotion, adrian Mummey Runner up - Arachnodroid Hunter - Jim Jiang BEST SHORT STORY Winner - Eat at Joes - Michael Radencich Runner up - Pest Control - Joe Angell, Rhode Isl. School of Design Runner up - Computer Dating - Ace Miles Runner up - future World - Masanobu Yamamoto INSTRUCTIONAL/EDUCATIONAL Winner - Tour of an Animal Cell - Tim Doherty, TKD Animation Runner up - Homo Sapiens, Daisy Schmidt Runner up - INMARSAT - Doug Nakakihara & Jim Carey Runner Up - Intraax-Ultimate System Integration, Mark Turtletaub, Media Dimensions Inc. FORENSIC AND LEGAL ANIMATION Runner up - Workers Compensation - Alan F. Larkin, ALON Forensic Animations Winner - Legal Re-creation Ship Crash - Norm Pickthall, Moving Graphics Computer Animation runner up - Police Shooting, Alan F. Larkin, ALON FUNNIEST LIGHTWAVE ANIMATIon Winner - Cat-Can-Do - David S. Phoebus Runner up - Enermiser-Bunny - Jim Bergstrom Runner up - Pest Control - Joe Angell, Rhode Island Sch. of Design BEST CHARACTER ANIMATIION Runner up - Pizza Factory - Mike Taylor & Dan Bloomfield, Gorilla Systems Runner up - Cyclops - Coniah Chuang, VTX Video Inc. Winner - Johnny Quasar - John Davis, DNA Productions Runner up - Stephen King Book of the Month Club - Sean Hannon, Jim Bresnahan & Chuck Jepson, Ball & Chain BEST ORGANIC EFFECTS Runner up - Sub Bubbles - Intelligent Light Winner - Sunset Ripple - Aristomenis Tsirbas, Trimension Runner up - Boat in Rain - Todd M. Gillissie Runner Up - The North Church - Intelligent Light Digital Imaging BEST COMPOSITING Winner - Yves Day & Frank De Wulf, GRID Productions Runner up - Trimension, Aristomenis Tsirbas Runner up - Angel of Death - Juan Carlos Vargas Runner up - Ad Rats - Bill Chadwick & Sean Hannon BEST USE OF LIGHTWAVE IN A TV COMMERCIAL Runner up - XXL5 - Frank De Wulf, GRID Productions Runner up - Feature Creatures #69 - Sean Huxter Winner - Stephen King Book of the Month Club - Sean Hannon, Jim Bresnahan & Chuck Jepson, Baal & Chain Prod. Runner up - Cola Ckoi - Francois Giroux JUDGES AWARD Winner - Countown - Frank De Wulf, GRID productions BEST OF SHOW Winner - Johnny Quasar - John Davis, DNA productions. Congrats to all the winners. Any typing errors are mine. Harv harv@cup.portal.com http://www.portal.com/~harv -- Harv@cup.portal.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Fri Aug 25 21:45:36 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA247152336; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 21:45:36 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from efn.efn.org (efn.org) by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA246172292; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 21:44:53 -0700 Received: from garcia.efn.org by efn.efn.org (4.1/smail2.5/05-07-92) id AA26024; Fri, 25 Aug 95 21:35:47 PDT Received: by garcia.efn.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00581; Fri, 25 Aug 95 21:36:10 PDT Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 21:36:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike McCool To: davewarner@globalone.net Cc: lightwave@mail.webcom.com, toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Uh oh! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk > > Figures...less than a month after I take control things start to go straight > to hell! > Well, when you're browsing for a new home, don't forget to assure your server that litewaver's rarely uuencode 24bit pix to more than two or three thousand subscribers. Just remember, David, every coffin has a silver lining. -- Mike McCool posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sat Aug 26 14:49:15 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA097013755; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 14:49:15 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA096463735; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 14:48:56 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA20758; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 17:40:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 17:40:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: Video SEP Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Re(2): How to set up an editing suite In-Reply-To: <1510949.ensmtp@eureka.qc.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk What drives do you use with the FLYER so that it doesn't stutter or drop frames? I was told the 1st best drive is the IBM Ultrastar xp 4.5 gig and that the second best drive was the Quantum Atlas 4.5 gig. Do you agree with this? Also, I was told to avoid getting 9 gig drives because people have said there are no 9 gig drives that work 100% is this true? Anyone else who has some drive comments to make about the flyer, please do. Blackout@igc.net -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Sat Aug 26 20:37:47 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA051674667; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 20:37:47 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial8.Phoenix.NET) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA051584657; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 20:37:37 -0700 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 95 22:09:28 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: ToasterPaint problems To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk We're running 4.04b version of Toaster software and have experienced some strange problems in ToasterPaint that I have not read about previously on this forum. The first deals with brushes. If I create a brush and try to save it to the swap buffer, select another tool, then try to recall the brush it doesn't work. The second problem with brushes comes when I try and load a brush, it's stamped down in the upper righthand corner of the display, it's not positionable. I've also experienced a problem with airbursh drawmodes "Swapscr" (things just real messed up) and "Trans" (this ones great it LOCKS UP THE SYSTEM!). ToasterPaint seams to be real messed up at this point (or is just my system?) has any one else had problems with TPaint? ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg Production Manager Computer Television Network E-mail: jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Sat Aug 26 21:18:29 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA060567109; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 21:18:29 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from gears.efn.org by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA060467097; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 21:18:17 -0700 Received: from rose_ip180.efn.org by gears.efn.org with smtp Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0smRJJ-000I1wC; Sat, 26 Aug 95 19:54 GMT To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com From: rtracy@gears.efn.org (Joe) Subject: Re: ToasterPaint problems Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 21:05:01 Cc: rtracy@gears.efn.org Message-Id: In article John Bourg writes: >Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 20:38:14 -0700 >From: John Bourg >Subject: ToasterPaint problems >We're running 4.04b version of Toaster software and have experienced some >strange problems in ToasterPaint that I have not read about previously on >this forum. The first deals with brushes. If I create a brush and try to >save it to the swap buffer, select another tool, then try to recall the >brush it doesn't work. The second problem with brushes comes when I try and >load a brush, it's stamped down in the upper righthand corner of the >display, it's not positionable. I've also experienced a problem with >airbursh drawmodes "Swapscr" (things just real messed up) and "Trans" (this >ones great it LOCKS UP THE SYSTEM!). ToasterPaint seams to be real messed up >at this point (or is just my system?) has any one else had problems with >TPaint? >------------------------------------- >Have a Nice Day! >John Bourg >Production Manager >Computer Television Network >E-mail: jbctn@phoenix.net >------------------------------------- Toasterpaint has been the brunt in of the majority of bugs that have been experienced in the pre-4.1 versions. However, GREAT NEWS. Almost ALL of the Toasterpaint problems have been corrected in the 4.05 upgrade which should be available in a few days (I used the 4.05 beta version). Now, if only NewTek would master that Slow Motion command in ToasterPaint (half speed). When the movements are far away, it's GREAT, but when the movements are close, watch out for those massive jitters !!!!! Double speed seems to work pretty good. --Joe -- posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sat Aug 26 23:49:52 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA029086192; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 23:49:52 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA028686177; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 23:49:37 -0700 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA14935 for toaster@webcom.com; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 02:41:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 02:41:04 -0400 From: TIGGER8181@aol.com Message-Id: <950827024104_84353298@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Flyer Drive Questions Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk >>What drives do you use with the FLYER so that it doesn't stutter or drop frames?<< >>Anyone else who has some drive comments to make about the flyer, please do. Blackout@igc.net<< Our system has Seagate Barracudas (sp?), 4-gigs. Only a rare, occasional stutter, nothing disastrous. Usually very reliable with 4.04b. I've heard that when the drives stutter, you can Left-Amiga -M out to the workbench, go to the Flyer Format utility, and verify each of your drives (Verify may not be the right word... it's one of the three buttons on the Format screen - NOT format! - the %$&! word isn't coming to me... it must be late) after selecting it. Then Left-Amiga-M back to the Flyer and try it again. Anyway, it's something like this. Maybe someone else can check me on this? Sorry, the Flyer's at work and I'm not. -Mike -- TIGGER8181@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sun Aug 27 13:23:24 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA164445004; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 13:23:24 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA163794970; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 13:22:50 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA03651; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 16:14:10 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 16:14:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: stans@gateway.ecn.com Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com, lightwave@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Anyone using Studio 16 with Flyer? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Hi there Stan, I just wanted to see if you got the 4.05 release of the Flyer software yet and see how evrything is going. I am looking to purchase an Amiga 4000 with the toaster oven bay very soon and with a toaster/flyer system so i am very excited about it with all the positive comments I have been getting from flyer people lately. What I am trying to figure out now is the best drives and video decks to use with the system. My main foootage will mostly be shot on a Cannon L2 Hi8 camcorder and if I'l lucky some of it will be shot on BetaSp UVW betacam. As for a recording deck I have pretty much decided to go with the UVW 1800. What do you think is a high quality Hi8 deck to use for playing the source tapes into the FLYER? Also.. I will need a nice Super VHS deck as well, can you recomend one? Anyone else out there who is reading thois, please feel free to comment, I am trying to compile the best Hi8 and Super equipment to work with the Toaster/FLYER going into a UVW 1800 which will be dubbed to multiple cable stations for broadcast. Also, what is the best solution for controlling decks with the toaster and Amiga? I am very much decided on the UVW 1800 as my recorder as I can't afford the higher end PVW or BVWs, but I want a backup system linear controller to use if I need to do something that doesn't work right on the FLYER, even though I will mostly be editing on the FLYER. Also, for BIG projects that are over and hour long, I will have to have some sort of linear editing capabilities as well. Blackout@igc.net -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sun Aug 27 13:58:21 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA214307100; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 13:58:21 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from marlin.gulf.net by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA213947080; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 13:58:00 -0700 Received: from slip21.gulf.net (slip21.gulf.net [198.69.72.41]) by marlin.gulf.net (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA25605 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 15:49:27 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 15:49:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199508272049.PAA25605@marlin.gulf.net> X-Sender: foxie@gulf.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@mail.webcom.com From: foxie@gulf.net (Shana Fox) Subject: Newbie needs help Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk I'm a high-school student in Pace FL and am in the school's Broadcast Staff. They have a Video Toaster but the person who installed it for them dissappered without a trace and didn't leave them a manual. I'm planning on entering the Video production field and would love to really learn how to use the Toaster, but I'm stuck learning from them what they learned by trial and error. Any detailed info you have about using the Toaster that you can send me would be greatly apprciated. Thanx ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Shana Fox foxie@gulf.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -- foxie@gulf.net (Shana Fox) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sun Aug 27 14:21:13 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA252718472; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:21:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA252098452; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:20:52 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA33137; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 18:15:28 -0300 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 18:15:28 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: Blackout Cc: Video SEP , toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Re(2): How to set up an editing suite In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 26 Aug 1995, Blackout wrote: > > What drives do you use with the FLYER so that it doesn't stutter or drop > frames? I was told the 1st best drive is the IBM Ultrastar xp 4.5 gig There is a lot of discusion concerning drives and the higher recording modes taking place on the NewTek BBS. There is the promised firmware upgrade from Seagate, and the possibility of revisions from Micropolis for the 1991 and possibly the 1991AV - these are 9Giggers. NewTek is also promising that v.4.05 will solve some of the stuttering problems. It would seem that for those with investments in large capacity (9Gig) drives, there should be an investigation of other options. It's alright for NewTek to claim that strait forward drives are all that is required, but if suitable drives are not available - what is one supposed to do with all those drives in use at the moment! Applied Magic have their `Quick-Array' that combines two drives to one SCSI input for a faster through-put than one drive can handle. This was tried on a Flyer, and seemed to cure the stutter. The problems is that Applied Magic have their own Non Linear system, and may not wish to really help NewTek solve their problem, and NewTek dont seem inclined to explore other option such as RAID etc.. Cheers -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sun Aug 27 14:49:27 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA297790167; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:49:27 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix6.ix.netcom.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA297330150; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:49:10 -0700 Received: from Bushwick by ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id OAA01111; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:38:17 -0700 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:38:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199508272138.OAA01111@ix6.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: bushwick@smtp.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@mail.webcom.com From: Pete Rittwage Subject: Re: Re(2): How to set up an editing suite Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk At 02:21 PM 8/27/95 -0700, you wrote: >Applied Magic have their `Quick-Array' that combines two drives to one >SCSI input for a faster through-put than one drive can handle. This was >tried on a Flyer, and seemed to cure the stutter. The problems is that >Applied Magic have their own Non Linear system, and may not wish to >really help NewTek solve their problem, and NewTek dont seem inclined to >explore other option such as RAID etc.. > >From what I understand, the Flyer has been tested and does in fact work with Raid-0 systems. However, it is also my understanding that NewTek want to stay away from using them, because they would signifiicantly increase the price of a Flyer system, and would not be practical in their new "portable" blue box system. Pete Rittwage ACS Computer & Video ----- (800) 962 4489 EMail: bushwick@ix.netcom.com WWW: http://www.io.com/~kgk/pete "Home of the Unofficial Video Flyer Pages" -- Pete Rittwage posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sun Aug 27 16:20:29 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA138375628; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 16:20:29 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA138025613; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 16:20:13 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA00509; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 19:11:40 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 19:11:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: Ian Lancaster Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Re(2): How to set up an editing suite In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 27 Aug 1995, Ian Lancaster wrote: > On Sat, 26 Aug 1995, Blackout wrote: > > > > What drives do you use with the FLYER so that it doesn't stutter or drop > > frames? I was told the 1st best drive is the IBM Ultrastar xp 4.5 gig > > There is a lot of discusion concerning drives and the higher recording > modes taking place on the NewTek BBS. There is the promised firmware > upgrade from Seagate, and the possibility of revisions from Micropolis > for the 1991 and possibly the 1991AV - these are 9Giggers. NewTek is also > promising that v.4.05 will solve some of the stuttering problems. > > It would seem that for those with investments in large capacity (9Gig) > drives, there should be an investigation of other options. It's alright > for NewTek to claim that strait forward drives are all that is required, > but if suitable drives are not available - what is one supposed to do > with all those drives in use at the moment! > > Applied Magic have their `Quick-Array' that combines two drives to one > SCSI input for a faster through-put than one drive can handle. This was > tried on a Flyer, and seemed to cure the stutter. The problems is that > Applied Magic have their own Non Linear system, and may not wish to > really help NewTek solve their problem, and NewTek dont seem inclined to > explore other option such as RAID etc.. > > Cheers > > > This still doesn't answer my question though - which drives should I buy... I don't want to look into possible revisions or fixes, I want to know what REALLy works with the FLYER right now. There are people who have the flyer who can't get it to work for anything and people who have it who say it's great. Well to the people who say it's great and that it's working 100% without a stutter, what drives are you using? Once again I will say that from my investigations, I have found that the number 1 drive to use with the flyer currently is the IBM Ultrastar XP 4.5 gig and that the second best drive is the Quantum Atlas 4 gig. I have been told that no 9 gig drives work to hot at this point. I myself would RATHER get two 9 gig drives so I have a lot of space but the only drive that I hear works 100% is the Ultrastar XP and only the 4.5 gig model so unless I find something better i think that is what I'm going to go with. FLYER people agree? Blackout -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sun Aug 27 21:33:18 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA013944398; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 21:33:18 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA013324368; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 21:32:48 -0700 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA10819; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 00:24:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 00:24:16 -0400 From: TIGGER8181@aol.com Message-Id: <950828002414_64956451@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: blackout@igc.net, stans@gateway.ecn.com Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com, lightwave@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Anyone using Studio 16 with Flyer? Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Eavesdropping on your message concerning Hi-8 decks with the Flyer and the UVW system. I'd recommend the Sony 9850 for a source (and record) deck... It's really the only choice. It's got a built in TBC, with --and this is VERY important-- a Drop-out Compensator. It also has something called "Servo-Bump", which, as I understand it, will lend secure frame accuracy to your linear editing. Having said that, I should admit that I have never used the 9850... we have a 9800, with the Flyer, and are pleased, but wish we had the 9850! We will soon (hopefully) upgrade our master deck to the UVW 1800. It should be an Excellent system, especially when S-Video input is available to the Flyer. Please let me know how you end up! -Mike Silver Streak Studios, St. Louis -- TIGGER8181@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sun Aug 27 22:42:54 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA128278574; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 22:42:54 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.globalone.net (mail.global1.net) by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA127188533; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 22:42:13 -0700 Received: from shell.global1.net (davewarner@shell.global1.net [198.69.121.31]) by mail.globalone.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA13773; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 01:33:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 01:33:36 -0400 (EDT) From: davewarner@globalone.net To: Blackout Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com, lightwave@mail.webcom.com Subject: Inappropriate cross-posting In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk This is a notice to all subscribers on the list... Please DO NOT post messages to both lists that only belong on one list! Too many people are cross-posting messages to the LightWave mailing list that have little or nothing to do with LightWave. If you are posting a message about the Video Toaster or the Flyer, then post it ONLY to the Video Toaster mailing list. If you are posting a message about LightWave, then post it ONLY to the LightWave mailing list. If you are posting a message about using LightWave with the Video Toaster Flyer, then post it to only ONE of the lists...if you don't get the reply you were looking for from that list, then try posting the message to the other list some time later. DO NOT send out two copies of your message to both lists! Those of us who have a Video Toaster and/or Flyer are usually subscribed to both mailing lists and we don't need to read two copies of your message! Thank you. -David Warner 'Owner' of the LightWave and Video Toaster mailing lists -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Sun Aug 27 22:51:19 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA136488930; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 22:48:50 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.globalone.net (mail.global1.net) by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA134288837; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 22:47:18 -0700 Received: from shell.global1.net (davewarner@shell.global1.net [198.69.121.31]) by mail.globalone.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA13815; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 01:38:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 01:38:45 -0400 (EDT) From: davewarner@globalone.net To: Shana Fox Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Newbie needs help In-Reply-To: <199508272049.PAA25605@marlin.gulf.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 27 Aug 1995, Shana Fox wrote: > They have a Video Toaster but the person who installed it for them > dissappered without a trace and didn't leave them a manual. > Any detailed info you have about using the Toaster that you can > send me would be greatly apprciated. Thanx You should get in touch with NewTek and explain the situation...provide them with the registration info for the Video Toaster at your school and if you ask nicely enough, maybe they'll provide you with a new manual. NewTek can be reached at: 1-800-847-6111 or through e-mail at: grue@newtek.com or through the Web at: http://www.newtek.com -David Warner -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Mon Aug 28 10:13:50 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA135090030; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:13:50 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.wolfe.net by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA134389998; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:13:18 -0700 Received: from gonzo.wolfe.net (momar@gonzo.wolfe.net [204.157.98.2]) by mail1.wolfe.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA20791 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:07:19 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Carter To: toast Subject: Newtek BBS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Is there any way to telenet into the Newtek BBS? I would like to spend more time there but the long distance is prohibitive. Thanks Jim -- Jim Carter posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Mon Aug 28 10:14:05 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA135350044; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:14:05 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from fafnir.rx.uga.edu by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA134099988; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:13:08 -0700 Received: (from drowley@localhost) by fafnir.rx.uga.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA02664; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:03:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:03:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Rowley To: tbmp@halcyon.com Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Toaster 4.0 (Re: Switcher Hell) In-Reply-To: <199508250404.AA21142@halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk > reinstalled Amiga 2.1. I installed my old version of 3.0 on a partion (via > Quarterback)and the toaster 4.0 software (just cause I wanted to check it > out) on another. I assume this is the software that was released with the Flyer. We are eagerly awaiting the release of the Toaster 4.0 upgrade. If you know something we don't, could you let us know. (i.e. Is the Toaster 4.0 upgrade available?) Thanks, DMR -- Dennis Rowley posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Mon Aug 28 10:28:57 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA152620936; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:28:57 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ns.ge.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA151810893; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:28:13 -0700 Received: from thomas.ge.com ([3.47.28.21]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA23377 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:19:36 -0400 Received: from stes02.sch.ge.com (stes02.sch.ge.com [3.72.108.134]) by thomas.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA01765 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:05:46 -0400 Received: from gne018.sch.ge.com (gne018.sch.ge.com [3.72.116.93]) by stes02.sch.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA15162 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:19:34 -0400 Received: (from kosaroeu@localhost) by gne018.sch.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA10114 for toaster@webcom.com; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:19:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:19:30 -0400 From: Eugene Kosarovich Message-Id: <199508281719.NAA10114@gne018.sch.ge.com> To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: NewTek On-line Sites X-Status: N X-Mailer: Applixware 3.1(473) Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk I don't think you can telnet to the BBS, but you can ftp the ftp site: ftp.newtek.com It ususally has all the files that the BBS has, but no 4.05 as of this morning, and none of the chit chat. Eugene -- Eugene Kosarovich posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Mon Aug 28 10:46:24 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA246551983; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:46:24 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from gears.efn.org by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA246451973; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:46:14 -0700 Received: from rose_ip163.efn.org by gears.efn.org with smtp Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.webcom.com Precedence: bulk (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sn0Nx-000I2mC; Mon, 28 Aug 95 09:21 GMT To: toaster@webcom.webcom.com From: rtracy@gears.efn.org (Joe) Subject: Logos from ToasterPaint... Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:32:40 Cc: rtracy@gears.efn.org Message-Id: I do a lot of TV commercials and naturally clients want to see their logos on the end billboards. My problem is, "How do you cut out just the logo in one easy step - separating it from the background?" I tried the "no background" option, but it cut out the background instead of the logo ! How can I make it "grab" the logo to make into a brush? Or can I? Any quick replies to this message, before I "hand cut" every detail on the most difficult logo yet, would be greatly appreciated. --Joe -- posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Mon Aug 28 17:46:31 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA234027191; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:46:31 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from bos1e.delphi.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA233327160; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:46:00 -0700 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #10880) id <01HUMBLBZAWG9ANNTM@delphi.com>; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:36:49 -0400 (EDT) From: MADVIDEO@delphi.com Subject: Dat Drives To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Message-Id: <01HUMBLBZAWI9ANNTM@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: INTERNET"toaster@webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk I started to place an order for a Sony DT5200 DAT drive today. I was told It would take 4 weeks to get. I then started to check out a few other drives. I need a drive that works with the Flyer and my Alpha (the 2 drives below are Alpha compatible) My choices are: Wang Dat 3400DX and a HP C1533. Is anybody using one of these with a Flyer? Marc Dole 603-659-7778 Alpha Lightwave Animator * Amiga Re-Animator * Flyer Pilot * AVID Media Composer 1000 junkie -- MADVIDEO@delphi.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Mon Aug 28 19:32:57 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA099303576; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:32:57 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.iglou.com (relay.iglou.com) by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA098513544; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:32:25 -0700 Received: from iglou.com by mail.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0snGHr-00036tC; Mon, 28 Aug 95 22:20 EDT Received: by iglou.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0snGJX-000EpVC; Mon, 28 Aug 95 22:22 EDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 22:22 EDT From: michael@iglou.com (Michael Meshew) To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Toaster 4000/TBC 4 for sale Content-Length: 1170 Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Amiga 4000/VideoToaster 4000 System for sale 1) Amiga 4000 040 25mhz with 14 megs of memory & 120 meg IDE hard drive, 2) VideoToaster 4000 card with 3.1/3.5 software, 3) Commodore RGB color monitor, 4) Assorted software packages including Montage, TRexx Pro, Imagemaster, Pixel 3D 2.0, Scenery Animator 4.0, VistaPro 3.0, Pro Fills Vol. #1 & #2, Lissa, Amiga Vision, LIGHT-ROM #1 & #2 CD ROMs, Texture Gallery CD ROM set. Everything is in excellent condition & comes with original software, docs, boxes, etc. The reason I'm selling the system is that it was used for Lightwave rendering & now I have purchased a PC. I will guarantee that it will arrive in perfect working condition. If you live within 150 miles of Louisville, Kentucky I will deliver it & set it up for you. Prices; Amiga 4000 alone - $2,300 Toaster 4000 alone - $1,200 Amiga & Toaster together - $3,200 Amiga, Toaster, monitor & software - $3,350 Amiga, Toaster, monitor, software & TBC 4 - $3,750 Buyer pays shipping C.O.D. is fine. If interested, please contact; Michael Meshew 4556 South Third Street Louisville, Ky. 40214 (502)363-2986 michael@iglou.com Thank you! -- michael@iglou.com (Michael Meshew) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Mon Aug 28 22:24:12 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA265343844; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 22:24:12 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.globalone.net (mail.global1.net) by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA257753714; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 22:21:54 -0700 Received: from shell.global1.net (davewarner@shell.global1.net [198.69.121.31]) by mail.globalone.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA30592 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 01:13:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 01:13:18 -0400 (EDT) From: davewarner@globalone.net To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: logo and cutting them out... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Message forwarded from leo@barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- > I do a lot of TV commercials and naturally clients want to see their logos on > the end billboards. My problem is, "How do you cut out just the logo in one > easy step - separating it from the background?" I tried the "no background" > option, but it cut out the background instead of the logo ! How can I make it > "grab" the logo to make into a brush? Or can I? Any quick replies to this > message, before I "hand cut" every detail on the most difficult logo yet, > would be greatly appreciated. > the problem with this is that whenever you scan anything simple like a black on white logo, the whites aren't all 255, 255, 255. so, there are levels of white and a quick and easy way of doing it is just about nil. video toaster user magazine did an article just on this. oh, just about a year and a half ago. essentially, you scan the logo in (whatever way you do it). then reduce the palette colors to just about black and white. then, the individual pixels would fit into one of the shades of b/w and gray. then you start the cutting with the background off. then you keep doing this until all that's left is the actual logo. then you would just color it (returning to a full color palette) and paste it into a page. the other thing to do is if you have tons of memory, you can use the polygon tool with the scissor and define minute and detailed segments of the logo. i just happened to have 16 megs of ram and before, i could only define maybe 10- 15 segments before the cutting would bomb. ======================================================================== Leo G. Divinagracia III | --- __o | Magnetic Media Manipulator Spec. | ---- _`\<,_ Atlanta '96 | leo@barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu | --- (*)/ (*) | California State University, Hayward | | School of Business and Economics | Going for the gold!!! | ======================================================================== "Duct Tape: its like the Force - Dark on one side Light on the other side - and it holds the Universe together" -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 29 09:58:39 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA223661291; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:42:15 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial119.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA204590643; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:30:44 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 23:07:52 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Anyone using Studio 16 with Flyer? To: TIGGER8181@aol.com Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk We have a UVW-1800 in our system and have been very please with it's performance. I would like to add, if your going to buy an 1800 also purchase a Sony SVRM-100 Remote Control Unit. The UVW-1800 doesn't have a jog and shuttle wheel. ---------------Original Message--------------- <<< SNIP >>> We will soon (hopefully) upgrade our master deck to the UVW 1800. It should be an Excellent system, especially when S-Video input is available to the Flyer. Please let me know how you end up! -Mike Silver Streak Studios, St. Louis -- TIGGER8181@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com ----------End of Original Message---------- ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg Production Manager Computer Television Network E-mail: jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 29 10:04:47 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA232461517; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:45:49 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial119.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA205490671; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:31:12 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 23:07:52 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Anyone using Studio 16 with Flyer? To: TIGGER8181@aol.com Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk We have a UVW-1800 in our system and have been very please with it's performance. I would like to add, if your going to buy an 1800 also purchase a Sony SVRM-100 Remote Control Unit. The UVW-1800 doesn't have a jog and shuttle wheel. ---------------Original Message--------------- <<< SNIP >>> We will soon (hopefully) upgrade our master deck to the UVW 1800. It should be an Excellent system, especially when S-Video input is available to the Flyer. Please let me know how you end up! -Mike Silver Streak Studios, St. Louis -- TIGGER8181@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com ----------End of Original Message---------- ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg Production Manager Computer Television Network E-mail: jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 29 11:45:56 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA222881243; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:42:07 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial119.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA203730614; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:30:16 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 23:07:52 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Anyone using Studio 16 with Flyer? To: TIGGER8181@aol.com Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk We have a UVW-1800 in our system and have been very please with it's performance. I would like to add, if your going to buy an 1800 also purchase a Sony SVRM-100 Remote Control Unit. The UVW-1800 doesn't have a jog and shuttle wheel. ---------------Original Message--------------- <<< SNIP >>> We will soon (hopefully) upgrade our master deck to the UVW 1800. It should be an Excellent system, especially when S-Video input is available to the Flyer. Please let me know how you end up! -Mike Silver Streak Studios, St. Louis -- TIGGER8181@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com ----------End of Original Message---------- ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg Production Manager Computer Television Network E-mail: jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 29 12:15:00 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA219771132; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:39:04 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial119.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA203750614; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:30:28 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 23:07:52 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Anyone using Studio 16 with Flyer? To: TIGGER8181@aol.com Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk We have a UVW-1800 in our system and have been very please with it's performance. I would like to add, if your going to buy an 1800 also purchase a Sony SVRM-100 Remote Control Unit. The UVW-1800 doesn't have a jog and shuttle wheel. ---------------Original Message--------------- <<< SNIP >>> We will soon (hopefully) upgrade our master deck to the UVW 1800. It should be an Excellent system, especially when S-Video input is available to the Flyer. Please let me know how you end up! -Mike Silver Streak Studios, St. Louis -- TIGGER8181@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com ----------End of Original Message---------- ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg Production Manager Computer Television Network E-mail: jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 29 12:16:56 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA219421132; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:39:05 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial119.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA205430667; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:31:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 23:07:52 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Anyone using Studio 16 with Flyer? To: TIGGER8181@aol.com Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk We have a UVW-1800 in our system and have been very please with it's performance. I would like to add, if your going to buy an 1800 also purchase a Sony SVRM-100 Remote Control Unit. The UVW-1800 doesn't have a jog and shuttle wheel. ---------------Original Message--------------- <<< SNIP >>> We will soon (hopefully) upgrade our master deck to the UVW 1800. It should be an Excellent system, especially when S-Video input is available to the Flyer. Please let me know how you end up! -Mike Silver Streak Studios, St. Louis -- TIGGER8181@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com ----------End of Original Message---------- ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg Production Manager Computer Television Network E-mail: jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Tue Aug 29 17:28:08 1995 Received: by webcom.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA236221593; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:47:42 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial119.phoenix.net) by webcom.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA203740614; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:30:16 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 23:07:52 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Anyone using Studio 16 with Flyer? To: TIGGER8181@aol.com Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk We have a UVW-1800 in our system and have been very please with it's performance. I would like to add, if your going to buy an 1800 also purchase a Sony SVRM-100 Remote Control Unit. The UVW-1800 doesn't have a jog and shuttle wheel. ---------------Original Message--------------- <<< SNIP >>> We will soon (hopefully) upgrade our master deck to the UVW 1800. It should be an Excellent system, especially when S-Video input is available to the Flyer. Please let me know how you end up! -Mike Silver Streak Studios, St. Louis -- TIGGER8181@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com ----------End of Original Message---------- ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg Production Manager Computer Television Network E-mail: jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 30 03:04:17 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA248857056; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 03:04:17 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from minnie.risd.edu by mail.webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA248747032; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 03:03:53 -0700 Received: by minnie.risd.edu; id AA21573; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 05:57:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 05:57:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: Confused in PC Land To: Blackout Cc: Phil South , toaster@mail.webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk > ALL versions of windows BITE the big one. > It has been spoken. Even though I just wrote this big thing praising WinNT over the other Windoze, I must whole-heartedly agree. Given a choice, I'd prefer AmigaDOS ANY day! -- Joe -- Joe Angell posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 30 07:22:23 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA295152542; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 07:22:23 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA295012531; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 07:22:12 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA08345; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:12:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:12:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: Joe Angell Cc: Phil South , toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Confused in PC Land In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 30 Aug 1995, Joe Angell wrote: > > > ALL versions of windows BITE the big one. > > > It has been spoken. > > Even though I just wrote this big thing praising WinNT over the other > Windoze, I must whole-heartedly agree. Given a choice, I'd prefer > AmigaDOS ANY day! > > -- Joe > I am having to convince evryone in the world to get an Amiga 4000 and a toaster because we need to do some video stuff relatively cheap and even though there are no Amigas now, I am still going that route. I am just hoping that Escomm does well and New tek pulls there act together. If I should ever find my talented self waisting time away on Windows then I know it is time for the shotgun. Blackout -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 30 13:27:01 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA134574421; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:27:01 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.global1.net by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA134364410; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:26:50 -0700 Received: from shell.global1.net (davewarner@shell.global1.net [198.69.121.31]) by mail.global1.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA24851 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:18:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:18:22 -0400 (EDT) From: davewarner@globalone.net To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Confused in PC Land In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 30 Aug 1995, Blackout wrote: > I am just > hoping that Escomm does well and New tek pulls there act together. ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^^ I just spent about 20 minutes on the phone with SOMEONE from Alcatraz, and all I can say is that NewTek is, indeed, getting their act together! I wish I could tell you all more, but I forgot to ask for permission to pass on what was told to me and I wouldn't want to piss ANYONE off! =) Just to tease, I say that Video Toaster and especially Flyer owners are in for a real treat when the Flyer 4.05 upgrade hits the net! I'm again thinking about buying a Flyer! :-)) -David Warner -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 30 18:44:08 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA228053448; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:44:08 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA227923436; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:43:57 -0700 Received: from hobo.online.portal.com (hobo.online.portal.com [156.151.5.5]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA29662 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:34:33 -0700 From: Harv@cup.portal.com Received: (pccop@localhost) by hobo.online.portal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id SAA02657 for toaster@webcom.com; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:34:32 -0700 To: toaster@mail.webcom.com, lightwave@mail.webcom.com Subject: AMG (VTU/LWPro) Web pages now open Lines: 12 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 18:34:32 PDT Message-Id: <9508301834.1.2465@cup.portal.com> X-Origin: The Portal System (TM) Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Sorry for cross-posting to both mailing lists but the subject pertains to both. AMG, Inc., publishers of LightWave Pro and Video Toaster User are now on the World Wide Web. Please visit their pages at http://www.portal.com/~amg Regards, Harv harv@cup.portal.com http://www.portal.com/~harv -- Harv@cup.portal.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Wed Aug 30 23:15:26 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA019229726; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 23:15:26 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.global1.net by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA019169718; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 23:15:19 -0700 Received: from shell.global1.net (davewarner@shell.global1.net [198.69.121.31]) by mail.global1.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA00387; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 02:06:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 02:06:51 -0400 (EDT) From: davewarner@globalone.net To: Sanjay Talreja Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Flyer queries In-Reply-To: <199508310208.WAA19902@titan.oit.umass.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 30 Aug 1995, Sanjay Talreja wrote: > This is the first time I'm posting to this group... Messages for the mailing lists need to be directed to the address toaster@webcom.com or lightwave@webcom.com and not to the "owner" or "digest" addresses. > I have couple of queries relating to flyer features which I'd really > appreciate a response to: I'll try to answer your questions... > - are DVE moves possible with the flyer? if so, does this have to be done > with Lightwave? Not sure what you mean by DVE moves...you can use the standard Toaster DVEs, but they're very grainy. The new effects engine for the Flyer will render DVEs right into the clips which will make for much more flexible and nicer effects. No idea when this feature will be available. > - can someone reccomend GOOD step-by-step manuals and/or Tutorial for > Toaster-paint, Lightwave? Newtek manuals seem to assume that the user > knows a lot. There are a number of very good videos available to learn LightWave... the one I do tutorials for is a monthly video magazine called LightSpeed and it is geared towards all LightWave users. The Lee Stranahan tutorials are ver good too...he teaches LightWave and ToasterPaint. Most of the other tutorials are geared more towards experienced LightWave users. You should also check out Video Toaster User or LightWavePro... they are very good monthly magazines. > - is 4.05 out? does anybody have any idea of how it deals with time-code? > we had a disaster with backing up on the Exabyte (Newtek recommended) > tape drive as version 4.03 refused to recognize the back-up and we had to > re-edit the WHOLE program again... 4.05 is still being beta tested, but it should be available soon. I don't think there is any support for time code yet, but the backup and restore software has been significantly improved as of version 4.04 and 4.04B. Keep checking the NewTek FTP site (ftp.newtek.com) or the NewTek BBS for the newest Flyer software updates.... And remember to send your messages to correct address in the future.... -David Warner -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 31 00:35:22 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA034424521; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 00:35:22 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA034354506; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 00:35:07 -0700 Received: from hobo.online.portal.com (hobo.online.portal.com [156.151.5.5]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA28016 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 00:25:43 -0700 From: RickB@cup.portal.com Received: (pccop@localhost) by hobo.online.portal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id AAA06333 for toaster@webcom.com; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 00:25:41 -0700 To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Flyer Back-Up and Time Code Lines: 25 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 00:25:40 PDT Message-Id: <9508310025.4.6310@cup.portal.com> X-Origin: The Portal System (TM) Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk I have read several messages from people and thought I should voice my experiences. I have an Archive Python 4 mm drive that stores 4 gigs without compression and I too get the repeating "Insert next tape" message from Flyer 4.04b. But There is an Arexx backup script on the newtek ftp site that will make the drive function perfectly. Along with this script is a restore script too. They are still pretty crude in that they are not individual file type backup utilities but at least they allow you to backup and restore your projects. And I have had great luck with them. The builtin backup function just doesn't work on my system. I also have been using 4.04b with time code. You have to connect the serial A port on the flyer to an RS422 time code reader and when you digitize your footage into clips, the time code is imbedded in the clip. After talking to Newtek, I bought a Horita TRG50-PC time code reader with a serial out. It connects right into the flyers serial port and reads LTC time code from the deck. It really makes it easier to locate source footage if you make a mistake and need to redigitize a segment to capture a little more of the source segment. Hope this helps some of you out there that haven't gotten this far yet! Rick B -- RickB@cup.portal.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 31 09:17:38 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA145605858; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 09:17:38 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from callnet.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA145285833; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 09:17:13 -0700 Received: from totoket.callnet.com (ip99.callnet.com [199.92.200.99]) by callnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA01239 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:08:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 12:00:11 PDT From: John DeNicola Subject: Mighty Morphing Sequence? To: toaster@mail.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon V0.05, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any ideas for a morphing sequence experiment? I plan to use a Flyer Clip and either Image Fx's Cinemorph or Morph Plus. Thanks! -- John DeNicola posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 31 12:09:34 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA206206172; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:09:34 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from callnet.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA206066156; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:09:17 -0700 Received: from totoket.callnet.com (ip99.callnet.com [199.92.200.99]) by callnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA03272 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:00:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 12:21:16 PDT From: John DeNicola Subject: FW: 3DSITE IRC Panel - August 30th: DIGITAL EFFECTS To: toaster@mail.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon V0.05, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 29 Aug 1995 18:22:26 -0600 Dave DeBry wrote: > >**************************************************************************** ** >* * >* Wednesday, August 30th 1995 * >* 7:15pm Pacific Time (PDT) * >* * >* Thursday, August 31th 1995 * >* 2:15am GMT * >* * >* 3DSite's IRC Panel on Digital Effects * >* (created by Rick May) * >* * >* * >**************************************************************************** ** >* The following information is also available in html format at 3DSite: * >* http://www.3dsite.com/3dsite/cgi/irc/index.html * >* Please visit the above page for more information * >****************************************************************************** >* (permission is granted for redistribution of the following, provided its * >* contents are left unaltered) * >****************************************************************************** > > >You are invited to participate to 3DSite IRC panel on: Digital Effects > >If you have questions to ask any of our panelists, please /join #3DSite_panel >by 7:15 pm (Pacific Time) on Wednesday, August 30th, on one of the following >servers: > xanth.dal.net > skypoint.dal.net > davis.dal.net > mindijari.dal.net > cin.dal.net > uncc.dal.net > xgw.dal.net > > >The channel #3DSite_talk will also be available for un-moderated discussion. > > *** Digital Effects Panelists *** > >Rob Bredow - Technical Director/Head of Developement, Vision Art >Sean Cunningham - Animator/CG Effects Supervisor, Digital Domain >Ira Shain - Freelance Animator >Larry Weinberg - Animation and Effects Supervisor, Rhythm & Hues > >We hope you will be able to join us in this exciting experiment. Please >feel free to contact 3DSite (support-3dsite@3dsite.com) for further >information, or visit http://www.3dsite.com/3dsite/cgi/irc/index.html, >where you'll also find more information on how to connect to IRC. > > Sincerely, >Daniele Colajacomo > 3DSite > > >dave debry -- perpetrator productions >grue@xmission.com || http://www.xmission.com/~grue > -- John DeNicola posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 31 12:12:53 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA207326373; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:12:53 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from callnet.com by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA207196357; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:12:37 -0700 Received: from totoket.callnet.com (ip99.callnet.com [199.92.200.99]) by callnet.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA03318 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:03:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 12:37:38 PDT From: John DeNicola Subject: FW: Web photo art exhibition, London To: toaster@mail.webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon V0.05, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 26 Aug 1995 12:04:04 -0400 DAVID CRAGG wrote: >I recieved this message today... if any of you is a serious shooter, >here's a good chance for exposure. > >Dave > > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >Date sent: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 20:01:09 +0800 >Send reply to: DavidKilpatrick@scotborders.co.uk >From: David Kilpatrick >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Web photo art exhibition, London > >DOWN THE LINE 95 > >is a Web photo/art exhibition organised by Visualeyes and Photon WWW photo >magazine. Visualeyes has a really nice HQ in Covent Garden, London, and >they are basically an imaging lab doing all the big press runs for the >music industry in Britain (just about all the major labels use them for the >promo picture prints). They have big Iris and other printers installed, >materials sponsored, and from Sept 22nd for one week will be making prints >from the best digital files sent to them, at no cost to the photographer, >exhibiting them, putting whatever price on the work that the photographer >specifies, and splitting the proceeds 60/40 to the photographer. > >There will be no charge for the materials now as all are sponsored, and any >unsold prints will be mailed to the photographer free of charge. > >Photon magazine asks the right to reproduce any exhibited work in a review >of the venture in due course, both in the Web edition and the printed >edition, at no cost. Visualeyes are advertising with us but otherwise no >money is changing hands - it's a venture for the sake of photography and >progress, and Ilford, Fuji, Gretag, Apple, and many others are co-operating >to put it together. There will be extensive UK press coverage. > >FTP and e-mail transfer are both available but Visualeyes will also accept >files up to 60Mb for the A0 size watercolor paper Iris printer (this would >normally cost 400.00 pounds a print, so getting one done this way at no >cost is well worth the effort of sending an optical disk by FedEx!). They >will have the printers running during the exhibition making new prints, >including small 10 x 8s from JPEGs (expanded size should be 10Mb) received >by e-mail, on a Pictrography and a Gretag photo-paper printer. I find the >JPEG size can be as small as 350Kb with good results, but the e-mail >limited of around 1 meg is better. > >Please, use this opportunity; so far no-one has sent any files through, but >two or three US photo artists are mailing disks. It has costs tens of >thousands to set up for all concerned and now we want to see some good work >go on show, and some photographers benefit by selling the prints! Only >problem: how do the prints get signed? > >David Kilpatrick > >See, for details: http://www.scotborders.co.uk/photon/visualeyes.html > >Ignore anything about costs of materials. Since the file was written, they >have received all materials free on sponsorship basis, and no-one will be >charged anything for any prints even if the pic is sold - just a straight >60/40 split, 60 per cent to the author. > >Please copy this e-mail to any other lists or individuals who may be able >to benefit. Thank you. > >"Learn the word and the meaning will follow!" > > > > >David Cragg >dcragg@flemingc.on.ca > -- John DeNicola posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 31 15:41:53 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA279778913; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:41:53 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA279208875; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:41:16 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA29470; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:32:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:32:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: Alyn Cc: "J. David Johnson" , toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Aug 1995, Alyn wrote: > Re IBM DFHS drives, I am definitely not playing. Call IBM to track them > down as they are hard to come by. > > I am pressing Newtek daily to get a hold of one and approve the suckers. > Your HQ5 worries will be gone. > > As far as Betasp lossless, I haven't seen it on any system, including > Avid Avr27 or Media 100's highest. However, HQ5 does match the quality of > the other system's highest to my eye. As I've stated before there is a > minor amount of noise (not blockiness) introduced on very wide shots with > tremendous amounts of detail -- but I have seen this on all the other > systems too. Chroma however remains flawless and this to me is the > strength of VTASC. > > Realize that these drives are only capable of 5.2 sustained, so when > Newtek raises the limbo stick on VTASC to 6 megs a second or more to > provide even higher quality, these drives WILL not work. > > Such is the price of keeping pace with technolgy. > > Alyn So do you recomend getting the IBM Ultrastar XPs over the Quantum Atlas? Blackout@igc.net -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 31 16:09:17 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA004780557; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 16:09:17 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.igc.net by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA003860506; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 16:08:28 -0700 Received: (from blackout@localhost) by discovery.igc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA26213; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 19:00:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 19:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Blackout To: alyn@netcom.com Cc: toaster@mail.webcom.com Subject: Re: Best HD for FLYER? (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-959638284-1628063314-809909597=:19811" Content-Id: Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---959638284-1628063314-809909597=:19811 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Greetings Alyn, I wanted to thank you for your post about the Ultrastar XP 4.5 gig drives. I am setting up a toaster/flyer system where I work and am looking to buy two of the drives for digital Beta SP quality editing in HQ5 mode. My question to you is this: You mentioned something about having to do several things to the firmware or something in order to make the drives work 100% in HQ5 mode. I had thought I had saved the message but I can't seem to find it. Can you please send me some e-mail with the exact steps required in order to set up and install the drives correctly with the FLYER. Do you need an IBM in order to correctly set up the drives before hooking them up to the Amiga via the FLYER? Also.. I found some people who have them but need to know what interface to use. Is it SCSI II or SCSI fast? Or is that the same? What about Skuzzy WIDE? I am asking you this because some people have said they have problems with the IBM drives and prefer using the Quantum ATLAS. Most people using the flyer in a working situation are using Quantum ATLAS 4.3 gigs and they seem to be easy to find but if the IBM Ultrastar xp works better, than I want to go with that. Can you give me a description of your system and what you have done so far with the flyer? I always like to here the setups other people have and how it works for them. My setup will be a toaster/flyer going to a UVW 1800 deck and I will most likely do my shooting on an Cannon L2 and a UVW100L Betacam SP. I am just worried as to how well the FLYER will perform because I don't have enough cash to put together a full betasp/hi8 A/B roll editing suite so if the FLYER doesn't work right - I'm screwed! Maybe I'll get some of those cheap little Hi8 decks.. what are they the VO 550s or something? They are these cute little Hi8 decks with a semi jog shuttle on them for fast forward and reverse, and if you run them through the DPS TBC IV they look pretty damn good! >I don't think I could afford two of the EVO 9850s coming in at 4500 each they are a little pricey and is the picture quality really better than the standard Hi8 550 player/recorder? Blackout@igc.net ---959638284-1628063314-809909597=:19811-- -- Blackout posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Thu Aug 31 18:02:17 1995 Received: by mail.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA122017337; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:02:17 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from Fox.NSTN.Ca (fox.nstn.ns.ca) by mail.webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA121017284; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:01:24 -0700 Received: from pembroke-ts-04.nstn.ca (pembroke-ts-04.nstn.ca [137.186.17.104]) by Fox.NSTN.Ca (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA15611 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 21:52:55 -0300 Message-Id: <199509010052.VAA15611@Fox.NSTN.Ca> From: "Chris Purdie" To: toaster@mail.webcom.com Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 20:28:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: ToasterCG and ANIMATION! Reply-To: topher@fox.nstn.ca Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Sender: owner-toaster@mail.webcom.com Precedence: bulk I have mainly only ever used the toaster for Lightwave, and only recently have been getting into the CG. What I would like to do is this.... create a Key page (persons name), but have a small animation beside it. Is this possiblt to do in the toaster without getting to complex or requiring a power system. I might be able to run/render something here on my system, but the cable station is only running an A4000/030 with 10MB of ram, so I have to make sure I can do it there. What I wanted was a small music note animation cycling in the bottom corner of the key with the persons name beside it. Of course, as a still I could just load the music notes as brushes and have them beside the name, but I really wanted to animate them. So is it possible to do this on a Toaster system? Has to be kept simple because even though I would be operating it, I have to explain it to the cable channel. Thanks in advance..... -- "Chris Purdie" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com