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On Wed, 31 May 1995, J. David Johnson wrote:

> I remember reading in the past about orange gels used to backlight a 
> chroma-keyed subject thereby reducing/counteracting blue-bounce.
> 
> Does anyone know the proper orange gel # & such that provides good results?

Although I haven't thoroughly experimented with this - AMBER gels seem to 
give us the best results for a back-light.  Be careful with the gels 
though, because too much of one color makes a VERY sharp chroma-key 
edge, which looks just as bad as the "blue halo".

Good Luck!
-Steve
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I just received my copy of Club Toaster (CD-Rom) today and it's.... 
awesome! Really, for $9.95 per month David Hebel and his fellows are 
doing a tremendous job. The CD-Rom comes packed with 3D objects, 24 bit 
brushes, sounds FX & music, textures, animations & moving backgrounds 
in Flyer and Par format, still backgrounds, etc....

One thing that impressed me the most is the quality of the art work. I 
don't know who did all the drawing and composing but I can certify that 
everything is first class network quality and very professional. 
Really, I was not expecting to see this kind of quality a la CNN, NBC 
etc... (actually I think some of this stuff looks better and less 
cheesy that some of the big guys graphics). I'd be curious to know what 
software packages these guys used (certainly not TPaint) but I guess 
probably something like Alpha Paint and Photoshop.  I hope that the 
next issues of the Club Toaster CD-Rom will be as good as this one and 
that they'll keep filling this CD-Rom with their own creations.

Thanks again to DH and his teamates.

Thierry.

Note: I am not associate in any way with those guys but am just trully 
amazed by their work.

"Hard Work Pays"
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I've got a phone call out to Dimension Technologies regarding the Club
Toaster CD but haven't gotten a response yet.  Basically, since they pop
textures, objects and other items that might be useful to LightWave3D users,
is the CD mastered for ISO 9660 level 2 and readable on systems that wish to
be Amigas when they grow up?  Ie: Would it be useful to an NT user that
should be able to read the CD as NT can deal with >8.3 character filenames?

Thanks a bunch,
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The receipt I got for my Club Toaster subscription was for $150.  ...maybe
my math is wrong, but
12 X $9.95 = $119.40.  Am I missing something here?  Is this subscription
for 15 months?  Or does
the difference cover postage & handling?  I don't remember being told this.

John

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You wrote: 
>
>I've got a phone call out to Dimension Technologies regarding the Club
>Toaster CD but haven't gotten a response yet.  Basically, since they pop
>textures, objects and other items that might be useful to LightWave3D users,
>is the CD mastered for ISO 9660 level 2 and readable on systems that wish to
>be Amigas when they grow up?  Ie: Would it be useful to an NT user that
>should be able to read the CD as NT can deal with >8.3 character filenames?
>
>Thanks a bunch,
>Dan

I can read its contents from either my Amiga or PC CD-rom drive but the interactive 
contents, news, etc.... runs only on an Amiga.

Thierry.
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>I just received my copy of Club Toaster (CD-Rom) today and it's....
>awesome! Really, for $9.95 per month David Hebel and his fellows are
>doing a tremendous job.

Ditto.  Mighty-fine CD for $10 a month.  Quite awesome.

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I have to agree! DH has done an excellent job with Club Toaster CD. Keep up 
the good work David.

On Thu, 1 Jun 1995 06:27:54 -0700  Thierry Humeau wrote:
>I just received my copy of Club Toaster (CD-Rom) today and it's.... 
>awesome! Really, for $9.95 per month David Hebel and his fellows are 
>doing a tremendous job. The CD-Rom comes packed with 3D objects, 24 bit 
>brushes, sounds FX & music, textures, animations & moving backgrounds 
>in Flyer and Par format, still backgrounds, etc....
>
>One thing that impressed me the most is the quality of the art work. I 
>don't know who did all the drawing and composing but I can certify that 
>everything is first class network quality and very professional. 
>Really, I was not expecting to see this kind of quality a la CNN, NBC 
>etc... (actually I think some of this stuff looks better and less 
>cheesy that some of the big guys graphics). I'd be curious to know what 
>software packages these guys used (certainly not TPaint) but I guess 
>probably something like Alpha Paint and Photoshop.  I hope that the 
>next issues of the Club Toaster CD-Rom will be as good as this one and 
>that they'll keep filling this CD-Rom with their own creations.
>
>Thanks again to DH and his teamates.
>
>Thierry.
>
>Note: I am not associate in any way with those guys but am just trully 
>amazed by their work.
>
>"Hard Work Pays"
>-- 
>*******************************************************
>Thierry Humeau 			tel: 301-933-3008              
>Cameraman/Producer		fax: 301-933-2868
>Freelance/TV Networks			thierry@ix.netcom.com  
>*******************************************************
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Have a Nice Day! 

John Bourg - Production Manager
Computer Television Network
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Shipping and Handling ($2.50 per).

On Thu, 1 Jun 1995 10:39:30 -0700  John Ferrel wrote:
>The receipt I got for my Club Toaster subscription was for $150.  ...maybe
>my math is wrong, but
>12 X $9.95 = $119.40.  Am I missing something here?  Is this subscription
>for 15 months?  Or does
>the difference cover postage & handling?  I don't remember being told this.
>
>John
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> I've got a phone call out to Dimension Technologies regarding the Club
> Toaster CD but haven't gotten a response yet.  Basically, since they pop
> textures, objects and other items that might be useful to LightWave3D users,
> is the CD mastered for ISO 9660 level 2 and readable on systems that wish to
> be Amigas when they grow up?  Ie: Would it be useful to an NT user that
> should be able to read the CD as NT can deal with >8.3 character filenames?

Would be nice, but I remember getting a card in the mail stating that the
1st issue would be late BECAUSE they were renaming everything to 8.3.  Oh
well...

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> Got any more bugs?  I'd like to hear about them.

OK, Here'a a couple more... (based on Flyer 4.03...)

I've har your Framestore Save problem from the Switcher -- a REAL pain... 
NewTek's working on it... (Chuck Baker, SYSOP NewTek BBS).

I've had your file selector problem, too -- seems that it may be related
to the crashing problem (below...) I have.  Anything over 100 or so files
crashes the second time you access it... Beats me...

Try multitasking yet?  It might just be me (WB 3.1 -- DOH!), but I get
system crashes when I try it too much -- mainly with programs like Term or
Diskmaster, but sometimes with things like Ed.  Generally the system fails
when a graphics call is made (like open the Quit requester in Term).  Even
happens AFTER you quit 4.03.  I never had this under .94 Flyer...

Well, more bugs for Tech Support...

-- Joe

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Here are transcripts of the speeches given at Escom's May 30th press 
conference, provided courtesy of Jason Compton - Editor in Chief of Amiga 
Report Magazine.


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Frankfurt/Main, May 30, 1995

Speech of Manfred Schmitt
Escom AG
Chairman of the Executive Board

Ladies and gentlemen,


Since we won the auction for the intellectual property of Commodore and
Amiga, the ESCOM AG is flooded with congratulation messages. Amiga clubs and
Amiga users write to ask us to revive and continue to develop and improve the
Amiga. Many of them actually sent us their wishes for future hardware
architectures and operating systems improvements.

However, it is still unclear for many users how a PC manufacturer and
retailer will use the Amiga technology.

Here is our answer: 

ESCOM now turns from a PC manufacturer and retailer into a multimedia
company. The big multimedia applications will come very soon as Pay-TV, Video
on demand, homebanking, home-shopping and online services. In this growing
market, we want to become a leading provider of hardware, software and
solutions. Our goal is to give the user a cost-efficient way to access all
these new services the multimedia world will allow. The Amiga technology
brings us all we need here in an elegant way. We see in the Amiga the key to
Multimedia technologies for the future.

As an intelligent terminal, you all know the PC. Many people use the PC in
conjunction with a modem to access online services and the worldwide
Internet. Escom is providing that market with a wide palette of
advantageoulsy priced Multimedia PCs in a range between 2000 and 3000 DM.

But there are other user profiles, who want to use the multimedia technology
without having to spend several thousands of DM. For these users, the Amiga
represents a very interesting alternative. It stands out with an amazing
price/quality ratio. Also remarkable is the operating system with a still
unmatched multitasking ability. That means that several applications can run
simultaneously, depending on available memory without slowing down the whole
system. This is achieved by the smart resource sharing of the system and the
low consumption of RAM and processing power by the applications.

The Amiga operating system needs 8 times less memory than Windows, and it
multitasks better than Windows. Through this smart use of system resources,
the Amiga is still a very efficient and unexpensive computer.


Video is another strength of the Amiga. In this aspect, the Amiga is
superior to the PC. The video output of the Amiga is already PAL and NTSC
compatible, so it can just be plugged into a TV or any video monitor. A PC
needs a converter to do this. The Amiga represents a possibility to give
people access to interactive television, online services and pay TV with set
top boxes at decent prices like 400 DM. The market is huge because there are
much more televisions than computers in the homes.

The set top box is a concrete application involving Amiga technology that we
want to improve. For the American market, which is much more advanced than in
Europe in this regard, we already have license agreements with our partner
VisCorp - our first licence by the way. We are willing to be very flexible
and open-minded regarding licensing of our technology. Amiga developers and
manufacturers shall have the chance to talk with us to define partnerships or
license agreements. Together, we will develop a wide range of Amiga hardware
and software. Our goal is a productive, open amiga technology. The example of
Viscorp demonstrates it at best : we license Amiga technology to people who
want to integrate it in their own products. The press already talked about
another partner, the Tianjin Family-Used Multimedia Co. Ltd. They will build
the lower range of Amiga computers and revive the legendary Commodore 64 for
the chinese market.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have mainly talked about the Amiga. In New York, we
also took over another well known brand : Commodore. All of you surely
remember the good old Commodore 64 and its tremendous success in the early
eighties. It is still a famous episode in the home computer history that
could be compared to the Volkswagen Beetle. A recent study made by the german
economic magazine DM reveals that the name Commodore still has very high
recognition. 93 percent of all PC users know the trademark Commodore. such a
reputation is only surpassed by IBM.

We will now separate Commodore and Amiga operations. Amiga will be the
multimedia range with Motorola processors and Commodore for Intel based
Personal Computers. We want to use all available and appropriate distribution
channels both for Commodore and Amiga: specialized retail stores, warehouses,
and mail order services. The ESCOM subsidiaries are only one of many
possibilities.

Ladies and gentlemen, we are convinced that ESCOM, Commodore and Amiga will
become a sucess story. Look at the structure and competencies we have built
up in a short time.


Thank you.


*********************************************************************

Petro Tyschtschenko

Ladies and gentlemen,

As the General manager of Amiga Technologies GmbH, I would like to welcome
you to the first press conference of our new company and also tell you how
much we appreciate your presence here.

At a spectacular auction, five weeks ago in New York, ESCOM AG acquired the
rights to the intellectual property of the former Commodore company for 10
Mio $, including all trademarks, logos, products and licences.

Since the day we succeeded in buying the Amiga technology, many people have
asked us how the future will look for their computer of choice. We got floods
of anxious faxes and letters to which we couldn't give an answer at once
because things were too early to comment. We will use the opportunity we have
now to talk to all of you and present the new Escom daughtercompany, Amiga
Technologies. Some leading developpers of hardware and software for the Amiga
as well as some of our new licensing partners will present themselves and
their projects to us.

To clear up things from the beginning,  - and that's the point you are all
interested in - I want to make the comittment that we are determined to
resume production and also want to continue hardware and software development
of what we believe is a superior technology. That's why we created Amiga
Technologies and we are now hiring the best and most capable people to
accomplish this.


For a sucessfull Multimedia company like ESCOM, the Commodore Patents and
licences concerning Amiga are considered the key to multimedia technology.
Mister Schmitt will say more about this later.

But let's concentrate on our immediate plans. As the director of Amiga
Technologies, my first priority now is to resume production of Commodore and
Amiga computers and bring them on the market as soon as possible. For us,
this means September 1995.


I would also like to refer to Commodore computers, Pentium PCs, which will
be available in August this year. These will be fully loaded P75 and P100
multimedia PCs. They will be assembled in our own ESCOM facilities. We plan
to sell between 50 000 and 60 000 units before the end of this year. Let me
point out that the Commodore and Amiga operations will be separate, Amiga
Technologies will only take care of Amiga, whereas ESCOM will provide
Commodore PCs.


One month later, we will start producing the high-end multimedia Amiga 4000
T. To succeed in keeping that tight schedule, we negotiated with well known
producers in Europe and Asia. For the selection of the manufacturing partner,
we will be emphasizing the quality requirements.

Until the end of the year, we plan to produce enough machines to meet the
demand. These machines are already outsold in preorders. In October, the
production of the low-end A1200 will begin. We expect to ship enough untis as
well as CD 32 game consoles to meet the Christmas season demand. Please give
us more time to publish quantities.

The takeover of the inventory, which is mainly composed of spare parts, in
the UK and Germany is completed. The rumoured stocks of new Amigas ready to
be sold do not exist. For inventory in the Phillipines, we are currently
negotiating with the local trustees.

Ladies and gentlemen, the new Amiga Technology will now become the operating
center of an international Company held 100% by ESCOM AG. Our headquarters in
Bensheim will employ around 50 people for following tasks : development,
support to developers, resellers, and users, production management,
Marketing, PR and administration. We also took over the former Commodore
development center in Norristown, with its research and development
facilities. Eduard Goff, former Vice President and General counsel at
Commodore now leads that center. He will talk to you later. Our developers
are now working on the next generation RISC based Amigas as well as on
improving current models. Here, we are working in a tight partnership with
SCALA and MOTOROLA.


Amiga Technologies GmbH expects a turnover of 100 Mio DM in 1995, mainly
from the Christmas business with Amiga 1200, 4000 and CD32. Our monthly
expenses are evaluated at around 600 000 DM. The break even point should be
reached this year. We are confident that we will have rentabilized our 10 Mio
$ investment by spring 1996 with Amiga sales and licences.

Thank you.

--
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Webcom has moved to a new provider in an effort to speed things up with
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On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, John Ferrel wrote:

> The receipt I got for my Club Toaster subscription was for $150.  ...maybe
> my math is wrong, but
> 12 X $9.95 = $119.40.  Am I missing something here?  Is this subscription
> for 15 months?  Or does
> the difference cover postage & handling?  I don't remember being told this.
> 
> John
> 
Same here.

I tried contacting them but just got their answering machine.
I still haven't recieved my first CD.

What gives Dimension?

Mario Cascio
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If you are interested in using SMPTE TC with the Flyer make
sure you get the Horita TRG-50PC.  The Flyer manual only states
that you need the Horita TRG-50 (plus a 9 pin gender changer).
	I just spent a couple of bucks on UPS Red to get the
wrong part, and today I ordered the PC verion (that of course
has the RS 232 connector).  The box lists for $589 I got mine
for $500(plus a big chunk to UPS).


Marc Dole 603-659-7778 * Alpha Animator / Amiga ReAnimator /
Flyer Pilot
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I own a Flyer and work with a Video Production company that has
a Component Fast DPR.
	The Fast and the Flyer have had about the same amout of
problems from what I have seen day to day.  If you are doing
any work with Betacam SP Component is a neccesity.  Component
allows you to layer your work cleaner, go more generation with
less loss, and Hook up with a component Alladin (which is a
ballsy machine).
	I use a DPS Personal Component Adapter on my Flyer just
to get that much more out of my image.  But if your not goiung
to Beta this isn't as much of a concern.
	The compression that the Fast uses (JPEG) doesn't
thrill me but since the processing is done component it is very
clean.

Marc Dole 603-659-7778 * Alpha Animator / Amiga ReAnimator /
Flyer Pilot
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You wrote: 
>
>If you are interested in using SMPTE TC with the Flyer make
>sure you get the Horita TRG-50PC.  The Flyer manual only states
>that you need the Horita TRG-50 (plus a 9 pin gender changer).
>	I just spent a couple of bucks on UPS Red to get the
>wrong part, and today I ordered the PC verion (that of course
>has the RS 232 connector).  The box lists for $589 I got mine
>for $500(plus a big chunk to UPS).
>
>

Also, Horita is going to distribute a new product in June which will be 
a perfect for Flyer time code support. It's called the PR-232, it's a 
mini time code-to-RS232 reader (2"x3"x0.5") and will do just what Flyer 
users need: reads LTC time code and convert it to RS232 serial data. 
The list price is $179. It also comes with PC comm port cable, DB9-DB25 
serial port adaptor. To be notify when available, call Horita at 
714-489-0240.

I had a little chat with Tim Jenison at NAB about the choice of RS232 
for time code data instead of RS422. He mentioned that it was much 
easier to convert RS422 into RS232 than the opposite and also that 
RS232 is much more versatile and will offer more serial control options 
for 3rd party software/hardware.  He also said that the new Toaster for 
Windows card would be able to read VITC time code or may be that's with 
the Flyer add-on TBC, I don't remember exactly.

Happy Flying!

Thierry.

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You wrote: 

>	I use a DPS Personal Component Adapter on my Flyer just
>to get that much more out of my image.  But if your not goiung
>to Beta this isn't as much of a concern.

I don't think it's necessaty to use the DPS Component Adaptor to 
convert Flyer composite signal into component unless your final output 
from the Flyer goes direclty into a display (TV monitor, video 
wall,...) with component inputs. If your Flyer output is to be recorded 
onto Betacam SP, the Betacam SP VTR will transcode the composite input 
from the flyer/toaster into component internally. 

Thierry.
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I'm working with a few friends to start up a video production company, and
we're looking to get a used Toaster system, preferably a Toaster 4000.  If
possible, a PAR and TBC-IV would be nice for this system, too.

Please E-mail, Netmail, or call if possible as we are looking to make this
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     Strategic Video has just completed our temporary
homepage.

The web page can be found at:

  		http://www.earthlink.net/free/schaefert/webdocs/

Here you will find:

    A Brief Introduction to the Future of Video Production 
    Royalty-Free Digital Video Clips for the NewTek Video Toaster Flyer 
    A Digital Video Survey 
    How You Can Participate and Profit 
    Links to Other Video Production Resources 
    Trademarks, Copyrights, and Disclaimers 

Users of the NewTek video Flyer will find this of
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schaefert@earthlink.net

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Using a 4Gb Seagate Barracude for Video after three weekends of 
installation and testing I've noticed some problems I haven't been able to 
workaround/circumvent.  The is the annoying field flicker that occurs at 
the end on one clip and before a transition when connecting two clips on 
the same drive (I don't have a second video drive _yet_)...is is possible 
to reduce/minimize this?  It seems like Newtek should automatically use a 
field and not a frame in this situation, but probably others would 
disagree.  My attempts to deal with it by inserting a Flyer still between 
yielded no results worth keeping.  It would be cut if you could somehow 
tag a field or frame with two identical fields  onto the end of a clip 
for transition purposes

And to get my 3.5 HAM8 anims onto the flyer, is there a tool to break 
them out (I guess) into individual IFF so that the Flyer can import them 
using the AREXX IFF2CLIP?  I have _weeks_ of rendered anims and don't 
care to particularly re-render them just to move to the Flyer.  
Otherwise, I'll have to wait until the version that allows this comes out!

And, per the subject, is there a FAQ someplace to ftp?  I would like to 
read it and avoid stubbing my toes too much!

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On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Josh Whitehouse wrote:

> Using a 4Gb Seagate Barracude for Video after three weekends of 
> installation and testing I've noticed some problems I haven't been able to 
> workaround/circumvent.  The is the annoying field flicker that occurs at 
> the end on one clip and before a transition when connecting two clips on 
> the same drive (I don't have a second video drive _yet_)...is is possible 
> to reduce/minimize this?  It seems like Newtek should automatically use a 

You MUST have two video drives to have proper playback with the Flyer. If
you are using any audio, you MUST have an Audio drive, too. Even with the
clips all located on the same drive, BOTH drives get used during
sequencing. 

> field and not a frame in this situation, but probably others would 
> disagree.  My attempts to deal with it by inserting a Flyer still between 
> yielded no results worth keeping.  It would be cut if you could somehow 
> tag a field or frame with two identical fields  onto the end of a clip 
> for transition purposes
> 
> And to get my 3.5 HAM8 anims onto the flyer, is there a tool to break 
> them out (I guess) into individual IFF so that the Flyer can import them 
> using the AREXX IFF2CLIP?  I have _weeks_ of rendered anims and don't 
> care to particularly re-render them just to move to the Flyer.  
> Otherwise, I'll have to wait until the version that allows this comes out!

There's a number of utilities that will do this, AdPro, ImageFX, etc.
 
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You wrote: 
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>Thierry-
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>Sounds like club Toaster is first rate-
>Can you please tell me how to get in touch to subscribe?
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>Thanks-

Just call Dimension Technologies at: 800-430-7530

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Lightwave, Toaster & Flyer Seminars

	Do you want to learn more about the computer that you
make your living with, and how to make yourself more
productive?  On July 11th ,12th, and 13th, Crimson Tech (a
Cambridge based Computer & Broadcast Video Dealer) will be
holding 5 Seminars to help you learn more about your machines.

Day 1 morning (9:30 am - 1 p.m.) -				
About your Amiga
	Most people that use the Amiga don't know enough about
the operating system and therefore have many technical
problems.  Flyer owners in particular will be interested in
this seminar because the configuration of your operating system
effects the performance of your Flyer. With Q&A to follow.

Day 1 afternoon (1:30 p.m. - 5 p.m.) -			Toaster
4.0
	An introduction to the new way the Toaster works.
Tutorials on the new Toaster CG & the new Toaster Paint will
round out the day. With Q&A to follow.

Day 2 morning (9:30 am - 1 p.m.) -				
Flyer
	How to navigate in a Non-Linear environment.  Tutorials
on the best ways to digitize, cut, and paste your programs
together.  Optimizing disk space and integrating Audio, CG &
Framestores will also make your editing life easier. With Q&A
to follow.

Day 2 afternoon (1:30 p.m. - 5 p.m.) -			Intro.
to Lightwave 4.0
	The beginners guide to working in 3D.  With so many new
people starting to work with Lightwave at the same time this
will be a great chance to collectively get over the learning
curve.  Tutorials will include getting around Layout and
Modeler by Flyer a few Logos. Saving your animations to the
Flyer and the PAR/PVR. With Q&A to follow.

Day 3 (9:30 am - 1 / 1:30 - 5 p.m.)-				
Advanced Lightwave
	How to use Lightwave to earn a living.  Professional
techniques that make Lightwave one of the best 3D programs.
Tutorials will go over areas of Lightwave and Modeler that help
you create realism in a fake world.  With Q&A to follow.

These Seminars will be taught by Professional Power users:
	Marc Dole - (Video Producer and 3-D Animator who has
been using the Toaster to make a living since 1991, and
Training others since 1993.)  Marc will be teaching Days 1 & 2
with an Amiga 2000 and 4000 equipped with Flyers and PARs. The
Intro. to Lightwave will also utilize a 233mhz Alpha based
workstation.

	Mark Thompson - (Host of the In Focus Lightwave tape
series, Award winning 3-D Animator & Betatester for just about
anything that has to do with Lightwave.)  Mark will be teaching
Day 3 on a 300mhz Alpha based workstation equipped with the new
DPS PVR card.

	Any 1 day is $150, with a 2 day registration discounted
to $250 and all 3 days for $300 per person.

	Call Jan Haughey at Crimson Tech for more details and
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800-321-5150 ext. 686
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Come see Lightwave 4.0

	On Tuesday June 13 at 10am, 11am, and 12pm Crimson Tech
will be showing
off Lightwave 4.0 running on an 233mhz Alpha Workstation.

	Crimson will extend the Intro. price offer of $750
until June 16th so you can own the best for less.

	Lightwave will be demonstrated by Marc Dole - (Video
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You wrote: 
>
>  I noticed that you post on Flyer subjects regularly so I
>have a few questions:
>
>I am trying to get my employer to purchase a Flyer system
>for our A/V production dept. (we already have Amiga4000,
>Toaster, Amilink). Have they fixed most (or any) of the bugs 
>inherant in the initial systems?

The only annoying problems I was having lately was random video 
stutters and audio glitches while playing back a complete project and 
recording it on tape.  My Flyer card was recalled by Newtek last friday 
and should be back in the studio this week. Apparantly, a wrong 
capacitor installed on the card has been responsible for playback 
problems for many users but this hardware modification should definelty 
fix the problem. I let you know the result.

I would not really consider the Flyer software buggy (e.i. it really 
never crashes) but it's definetly minimal compare to high-end NL 
systems around and has a lot of room to grow.  Right now, the software 
allows you to perform 90% of a production editing task very easely but 
there are still some edits that are a tricky to perform like multiple 
cut-aways on a talking head or cutting video clips onto a music track.

>Can digitized video clips be saved out as .avi files for editing in 
Adobe Premier? 

Considering the Flyer plug-in architecture, I think it's very realistic 
to think that somebody will write several plug-ins allowing conversion 
of Flyer clips into avi., quicktime, ... formats soon. There is 
actually a PD program for the Amiga called MainActor that allows 
converting Amiga iff anims into avi's and quicktime movies, so...

>(I know this seems an odd question since the Flyer has its own 
>editing software but we would also be digitizing video sent 
>to us from one of our satellite offices--they edit with
>Premier and aren't about to switch...go figure.
>
>  Anyway, any help or info you can provide would be greatly 
>appreciated...
>

You're welcome.

Thierry.
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Hi all,

     In the original Toaster set-up screen there were two buttons.. RGB and 
preview, which (for my purposes) changed the interface colors from 
brown to grey. I think the actual use for the buttons was to switch the 
interface screen from the RGB monitor to the preview monitor. (and back)

     Has anyone been able to change the Flyer interface colors?
     If so... how?
     
Thanks,
	Ed
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On Jun 6 Ed Jakobere@uwstout.edu was heard to say ...

In the original Toaster set-up screen there were two buttons.. RGB and 
preview, which (for my purposes) changed the interface colors from 
brown to grey. I think the actual use for the buttons was to switch the 
interface screen from the RGB monitor to the preview monitor. (and back)

     Has anyone been able to change the Flyer interface colors?
     If so... how?
     
Thanks,

Yes, just hit the alt key and the help key together. You can also go into the
switcher screen and hit F8 (I believe it is F8 - not at machine at the
moment) this will take you to the Toaster set-up screen where you can switch
between modes. Just make sure you quit the FLyer to save your settings. (The
FLYER saves its configuration when you quit)

Hope this helps

Robert <just trying to FLY-r> Coates
 
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On Fri, 2 Jun 1995 MADVIDEO@delphi.com wrote:

> If you are interested in using SMPTE TC with the Flyer make
> sure you get the Horita TRG-50PC.  The Flyer manual only states

Now that you have had a chance to play with timecode - how does it work?
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Using TC with the Flyer has been great.  I am back to working
like an editor as far as working with my clients is concerned.
They have been giving me EDL's on paper and I am referencing TC
everywhere.
I have noticed that the numbers did drift a bit, but I am still
using 4.02 software, due to an existing project on the drives.
(I don't upgrade until all my work is done with a project,
especially after all the data I lost early on with the Flyer).

Marc Dole 603-659-7778 * Alpha Animator / Amiga ReAnimator /
Flyer Pilot
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I don't exactly know how to word this but recently, the DV2 buss is 
rendering CG pages (or anything that is placed in DV2) with a lighter shade 
than DV1.  It's almost like the gain has been turned up on it.  I tried to 
do the 'autohue' procedure to see if that might fix it.  Nothing.  But 
mysteriously, for about a couple seconds, it went back to regular 'shade' 
when i was showing somebody the difference, but then it went back to a 
lighter shade.  I have an A2000 with the old v2.0.  Could it be that my 
Toaster board is shot?  HELP, since I still have a few clients to go 
before the end of the school year and Newtek support might be a little 
hard to get in touch with...==========================================================================
School of Business and Economics Video Studio
California State University at Hayward
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(510) 881-3209
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You wrote: 
>
>
>I don't exactly know how to word this but recently, the DV2 buss is 
>rendering CG pages (or anything that is placed in DV2) with a lighter shade 
>than DV1.  It's almost like the gain has been turned up on it.  I tried to 
>do the 'autohue' procedure to see if that might fix it.  Nothing.  But 
>mysteriously, for about a couple seconds, it went back to regular 'shade' 
>when i was showing somebody the difference, but then it went back to a 
>lighter shade.  I have an A2000 with the old v2.0.  Could it be that my 
>Toaster board is shot?  HELP, since I still have a few clients to go 
>before the end of the school year and Newtek support might be a little 
>hard to get in touch with...

When you autohued, did you use a very short, high quality BNC cable to connect Pgrm 
out to input 4? Also, there is a coper grouding brush clipped on the Toaster 2000 
board that supposed to make grounding contact with the right side of the Amiga 2000 
case, check and make sure that this copper brush is correctly positioned, I have 
heard of buffers problems when grounding is not properly done.

Thierry.
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Here is some info I just received about PLAY coming to the Web...


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>PLAY INCORPORATED IS NOW ON THE WORLD WIDE WEB!
>
>
>Play, Inc. is proud to announce its presence on the World Wide Web. =20
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>Play Incorporated is a new company formed by the 1994 merger of three
>groups who created the desktop video industry in the mid-1980s.  They=20
>include Digital Creations Inc., Progressive Image Technologies Inc., and=
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I know this question will cause a lot of falk....so 
falk_jackets=on

What are the dealer/reseller's price for the Toaster and Flyer??
They should get a pretty good deal or they won't make any money.
Just curious...
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On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Carl Andrew Johnson wrote:

> What is "falk"???
> On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Mark Chang wrote:
> > I know this question will cause a lot of falk....so 
I meant flak, as in hostile criticism.
Sorry for the spelling and the wasted bandwidth.
Still, anyone know the dealer cost for Toaster/Flyers??
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> You MUST have two video drives to have proper playback with the Flyer. If
> you are using any audio, you MUST have an Audio drive, too. Even with the
> clips all located on the same drive, BOTH drives get used during
> sequencing.

I don't know about this... I did a 30 minute project with no audio drive
(just the audio on the video clips) and it worked with only 1 stutter.  I
discovered that if I turn off my 68040 card, stutters go through the roof.
 With it on and only 1 drive in (one of 'em burned out...) I got a slight
(say, 2 frame) stutter at the end of some clips.  Of course, it turns out
my Flyer was one of the defective ones, so now it's on the way back to
NewTek...

-- Joe


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On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Joe Angell wrote:

> my Flyer was one of the defective ones, so now it's on the way back to
> NewTek...
> 
> -- Joe
> 

Newtek told me five working days from the day Airborn got their little 
hands on it. That means I'll have it tomorrow. Tee he he he. I'll let 
everyone know.

Jim
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On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, SBE Video Studio, CSUH wrote:

> 
> I don't exactly know how to word this but recently, the DV2 buss is 
> rendering CG pages (or anything that is placed in DV2) with a lighter shade 
> than DV1.  It's almost like the gain has been turned up on it.  I tried to 
> do the 'autohue' procedure to see if that might fix it.  Nothing.  But 
> mysteriously, for about a couple seconds, it went back to regular 'shade' 
> when i was showing somebody the difference, but then it went back to a 
> lighter shade.  I have an A2000 with the old v2.0.  Could it be that my 
> Toaster board is shot?

It depends on the amount of difference there is. On the older Toaster2000 
board, if the luminance/chrominance shift is within 3%, it is usually 
considered "normal" for the Toaster to do this. The newer Toaster4000 
board is more accurate to begin with, and has an adjustment to help tweak 
this if necessary. It's all a matter of degree. If you have access to 
another Toaster2000 board, try it and see if there is a significant 
difference between the two. Problems with the Amiga itself, primarily in 
the Agnes or Denise chip (usually Denise) can also account for this.

JC
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I can't tell you the cost but the Co I work with marks up 8.5
to 12% depending on the history of the customers.  Selling
Volume, and extra services along with selling a wide variety of
products is the only way.  I take my virtual hat off to all the
Amiga Only dealers.

Marc Dole 603-659-7778 * Alpha Animator / Amiga ReAnimator /
Flyer Pilot
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I've got a problem that's causing me some grief.  Maybe someone knows how
to stop it:

I have an Amiga 4000 with a Video Toaster/Flyer.  Everytime I start up the
Toaster/Flyer, my laser printer prints out a one-line page of gibberish.
If I'm stupid enough to leave the printer on during a Toaster session, the
printer will randomly do the same thing.  It's very annoying (not to
mention wasteful) and I don't see why the Toaster has to shoot garbage out
of the parallel port.

Does anyone know why the Toaster/Flyer does this?

Thanks in advance for any replies.

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On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Andre Perusse wrote:

> I have an Amiga 4000 with a Video Toaster/Flyer.  Everytime I start up the
> Toaster/Flyer, my laser printer prints out a one-line page of gibberish.
> If I'm stupid enough to leave the printer on during a Toaster session, the
> printer will randomly do the same thing.  It's very annoying (not to
> mention wasteful) and I don't see why the Toaster has to shoot garbage out
> of the parallel port.
> 
> Does anyone know why the Toaster/Flyer does this?
> 

My system does the same thing! (A400-Toaster 4000-Warp Engine-Flyer)
I was afraid to ask thinking that I had a CIA problem (we still might) 
and as long as I turn the printer off, no problem. I have a laser too.

I hope a few others have the same problem, as I'll sleep easier.

J. David - Video GT


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On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Andre Perusse wrote:

> I've got a problem that's causing me some grief.  Maybe someone knows how
> to stop it:
> 
> I have an Amiga 4000 with a Video Toaster/Flyer.  Everytime I start up the
> Toaster/Flyer, my laser printer prints out a one-line page of gibberish.
> If I'm stupid enough to leave the printer on during a Toaster session, the
> printer will randomly do the same thing.  It's very annoying (not to
> mention wasteful) and I don't see why the Toaster has to shoot garbage out
> of the parallel port.
> 
> Does anyone know why the Toaster/Flyer does this?

The Toaster has always done this. Some of the data lines to the parallel 
port are "shared" by the Amiga video slot, and the Toaster is using these 
during boot-up, as well as during transfer of images to/from the framebuffer.

Some devices that are connected to the parallel port like scanners,
digitizers, etc.  will actually keep the Toaster from running ("Toaster
not responding"). 

You just have to leave your printer OFF whenever you're using the Toaster 
to keep this from happening.


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On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Jim Carter wrote:

> 
> On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Joe Angell wrote:
> 
> > my Flyer was one of the defective ones, so now it's on the way back to
> > NewTek...
> > 
> > -- Joe
> > 
> 
> Newtek told me five working days from the day Airborn got their little 
> hands on it. That means I'll have it tomorrow. Tee he he he. I'll let 
> everyone know.
> 

Jim, did NEWTEK contact you about the your defective FLYER or did you 
contact them.  I haven't heard from them since I bought my first version 
of the FLYER which was back in January (although I originally ordered in 
JUne of last year).  

They are not very good at keeping their customers up to date.  Although I 
did recieve a letter a few months ago saying that the final version of 
the FLYER would arrive in a couple of weeks.  Good thing I have the 
internet to cover for NEWTEK customer relations staff.

THANKS IN ADVANCE,

Mario Cascio
ProMotion
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On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Andre Perusse wrote:

> I have an Amiga 4000 with a Video Toaster/Flyer.  Everytime I start up the
> Toaster/Flyer, my laser printer prints out a one-line page of gibberish.
> If I'm stupid enough to leave the printer on during a Toaster session, the
> printer will randomly do the same thing.  It's very annoying (not to
> mention wasteful) and I don't see why the Toaster has to shoot garbage out
> of the parallel port.
> 
> Does anyone know why the Toaster/Flyer does this?
> 

My system does the same thing! (A400-Toaster 4000-Warp Engine-Flyer)
I was afraid to ask thinking that I had a CIA problem (we still might) 
and as long as I turn the printer off, no problem. I have a laser too.

I hope a few others have the same problem, as I'll sleep easier.

J. David - Video GT


<---- End Included Message ---->

Yep, 

	I experience the same thing on my setup (A4000, Warp Engine, Toaster). 
To make matters worse, I can't turn off my printer every time I start Toaster 
becuse I've got a print sharing device with my PC.

Steve Soltz
SSK Creatives
ssoltz@mail.multiverse.com

"I'm not nervous-I'm ANIMATED!"

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> > > my Flyer was one of the defective ones, so now it's on the way back to
> > > NewTek...
> > > 
> > > -- Joe
> > > 
> > 
> > Newtek told me five working days from the day Airborn got their little 
> > hands on it. That means I'll have it tomorrow. Tee he he he. I'll let 
> > everyone know.
> > 
> 
> Jim, did NEWTEK contact you about the your defective FLYER or did you 
> contact them.  I haven't heard from them since I bought my first version 
> of the FLYER which was back in January (although I originally ordered in 
> JUne of last year).  
> 
> They are not very good at keeping their customers up to date.  Although I 
> did recieve a letter a few months ago saying that the final version of 
> the FLYER would arrive in a couple of weeks.  Good thing I have the 
> internet to cover for NEWTEK customer relations staff.

They called me too -- last Friday.  Still waiting... should be by
Monday...  I'd've been GLAD if they didn't call -- that'd mean my card was
OK.  I'd say don't worry until they call you.

-- Joe

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THIS IS MY 1ST TIME TO POST TO THIS LIST AND I HOPE IT GETS THROUGH OK.
I'VE NOTICED THAT WHEN I HAVE CLIPS STUTTER AS MANY OF YOU HAVE THAT I
CAN GET RID OF IT IF I MOVE THE IN AND OUT POINTS A FEW FRAMES.  I HAVE
TO TRY DIFFERENT POINTS SEVERAL TIMES OFTEN TO GET RID OF IT.  IT ALL SO
SEEMS TO HELP IF I HAVE THE SAME IN AND OUT POINTS FOR AUDIO AND VIDEO
IF I AM NOT DOING SPLIT EDITS WHEN I AM USING VIDEO ONLY.  DOES THAT
MAKE SINCE (SCRATCH - SCRATCH).  I HAVE A FLYER WITH THE 6 VOLT CAP.
BUT HAVE TO FINISH UP SOME WORK BEFOR I SEND IT IN.  ALSO I AM STILL USING
.9 SOFTWARE IF YOU CAN BELIEVE THAT.  NEWTEK HAS YET TO SENS ME ANY UPGRADES.
 
HOPE THIS STUTTER FIX HELPS SOMEONE.  HAPPY FLYING ALL.
 
 
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OK... I give up! How do you load new wipes into the switcher banks?
I've been through the manual over and over and I can't figure out how
it's done. Could someone please clue me in?

I've been buried in LightWave for 5 years now and never had any 
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TIA...

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Mario Cascio wrote:

>...did NEWTEK contact you about the your defective FLYER or did you 
>contact them.  I haven't heard from them since I bought my first 
>version 
>of the FLYER which was back in January (although I originally ordered 
>in 
>JUne of last year).  
>
>They are not very good at keeping their customers up to date.  Although 
>I 
>did recieve a letter a few months ago saying that the final version of 
>the FLYER would arrive in a couple of weeks.  Good thing I have the 
>internet to cover for NEWTEK customer relations staff.


NewTek did contact me to ask for the Flyer back, but only after I'd 
spoken with tech support about Toaster 4.0 bugs (unrelated to the Flyer, 
which I'm not using yet), and given them my serial number.  Getting in 
touch with tech support required 4 faxes of the same letter (all 
unanswered), numerous phone calls, and, once I actually spoke with the 
tech support-support person (she took a message), hanging near the phone 
for two hours waiting for a call-back...

(The guy I finally spoke with was very friendly and helpful as could be, 
though he couldn't solve all the Toaster problems I gave him.  He said 
addressing faxes or calls to a specific person can speed things up.  So, 
when you call tech support, ask for Lloyd.)

Now, what's all this I keep hearing about Play, Inc.?

Chuck Brotherton
Ag Communications Center
University of Idaho


                
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>I've got a problem that's causing me some grief.  Maybe someone knows how
>to stop it:
>
>I have an Amiga 4000 with a Video Toaster/Flyer.  Everytime I start up the
>Toaster/Flyer, my laser printer prints out a one-line page of gibberish.

Interesting. I just bought my first laser printer a couple of weeks ago, and
my T2000 did the same thing. I had never heard of it before...anybody know
what the story is?

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It's gripe day for me.  :-)

Another thing that erks me about the Toaster is not being able to run my
Amiga in DblNTSC - really aggravating.  I often have Lightwave rendering
while I try to do some other work on the computer.  I am wondering if I
added a graphics card (either Retina Z3 or Cybervision) and a second
computer monitor, would I be able to use software on the graphics card at
the same time that I have the Toaster running?  Does anyone have a
configuration like I have described, or is there a better solution (short
of buying another Amiga)?

Thanks in advance for any replies and insights.

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What is "falk"???


-Carl
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On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Mark Chang wrote:

> I know this question will cause a lot of falk....so 
> falk_jackets=on
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Can anyone shed light on their experience with tape backup units for the 
Flyer?  I am in the process of selecting one and want to make sure it 
works, and that it is reasonably speedy.

I understand that when backing up Flyer Projects, most units are not as 
fast as they would be on a PC...


I am looking at a 4MM DAT - the Conner C4320RT (4 gig (8GIG compressed)

and perhaps a 2 Gig QIC Drive - the Connor TSM4000.

Has anyone tried these?  What are the differences between the QIC and 
DAT? Just tape cost?


Thanks for any and all replies!

J. David - Video GT



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susong@usgvltao.snads.philips.nl (Dan.Susong@USGVLTAO) wrote:
>
>THIS IS MY 1ST TIME TO POST TO THIS LIST AND I HOPE IT GETS THROUGH OK.
>I'VE NOTICED THAT WHEN I HAVE CLIPS STUTTER AS MANY OF YOU HAVE THAT I
>CAN GET RID OF IT IF I MOVE THE IN AND OUT POINTS A FEW FRAMES.  I HAVE
>TO TRY DIFFERENT POINTS SEVERAL TIMES OFTEN TO GET RID OF IT.  IT ALL SO

Are you sure it's the fact you moved your points that is correcting your 
problem? I've found that simply playing again changes the results... after
having adjusted nothing.

>SEEMS TO HELP IF I HAVE THE SAME IN AND OUT POINTS FOR AUDIO AND VIDEO
>IF I AM NOT DOING SPLIT EDITS WHEN I AM USING VIDEO ONLY.  DOES THAT
>MAKE SINCE (SCRATCH - SCRATCH).  I HAVE A FLYER WITH THE 6 VOLT CAP.
>BUT HAVE TO FINISH UP SOME WORK BEFOR I SEND IT IN.  ALSO I AM STILL USING
>.9 SOFTWARE IF YOU CAN BELIEVE THAT.  NEWTEK HAS YET TO SENS ME ANY UPGRADES.
>
>HOPE THIS STUTTER FIX HELPS SOMEONE.  HAPPY FLYING ALL.


Thanks for the "clues". BTW, please use upper and lower case letters on 
the net, if you can. This is considered proper nettiquette. 

Nobody likes being YELLED AT !!!!!

Later,
     Ed
Jakobere@uwstout.edu
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Hello All, 

 I've subscribed to this conference and the lightwave conference for the past 
month or so and I have received just one piece of mail. It was Jakobere
flyer stutter message. What is the general flow of traffic for these echos 
and has the conference been down?

                                     Johnny Bad!


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From taka@oit.gatech.edu  Thu Jun  8 17:03:32 1995
From: Taka.Torimoto@oit.gatech.edu (Taka Torimoto)
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> > > > my Flyer was one of the defective ones, so now it's on the way back to
> > > > NewTek...
> > > > 
> > > > -- Joe
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Newtek told me five working days from the day Airborn got their little 
> > > hands on it. That means I'll have it tomorrow. Tee he he he. I'll let 
> > > everyone know.
> > 
> > Jim, did NEWTEK contact you about the your defective FLYER or did you 
> > contact them.  I haven't heard from them since I bought my first version 
> > of the FLYER which was back in January (although I originally ordered in 
> > JUne of last year).  
> > 
> > They are not very good at keeping their customers up to date.  Although I 
> > did recieve a letter a few months ago saying that the final version of 
> > the FLYER would arrive in a couple of weeks.  Good thing I have the 
> > internet to cover for NEWTEK customer relations staff.
> 
> They called me too -- last Friday.  Still waiting... should be by
> Monday...  I'd've been GLAD if they didn't call -- that'd mean my card was
> OK.  I'd say don't worry until they call you.

Can someone tell me... what exactly is this "DEFECTIVE" Flyer?  Why is it
"defective" and how can one find out if he/she/it has a "defective" Flyer?

-Taka

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Hello,

Don't worry, NewTek will contact you if your Flyer has been recalled.  They are
 only calling so many people per week so that the repair facility isn't
 overwhelmed.  That way they can guarantee the 5 day turn around time.

Eugene

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On Fri, 9 Jun 1995 Postmaster@totoket.callnet.com wrote:

> Hello All, 
> 
>  I've subscribed to this conference and the lightwave conference for the past 
> month or so and I have received just one piece of mail. It was Jakobere

Something must be wrong - the average for me, for the past month has run 
about 7 postings per day.

Last night, I downloaded TML9504.lha and TML9505.lha from tomahawk. 
Turned out to be the archive for the toaster list, TML = Toaster Mailing 
List (for some reason I thought it was the archive for the Newtek tech. BBS
- wouldn't that be nice!). In reading through the collective wisdom of the
group, I realised that I had not seen a fair number of those items 
before. I checked with my system `op', and I don't seem to be loosing mail
on this end. Is there a block in the pipe somewhere?

I had noticed a drop in traffic on the `net', but assumed that could be 
students who loose net access in the summer.

Just wondering.

Ian
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The Toaster parellel garbage is a normal Toaster thing -- my VT4000 does
it, too.  I think that the Toaster has always done this, but I'm not sure
why it feels obligated to print junk ut the printer.  I just make sure
mine's off first, or I forget and have to act REAL quick to flip it off
before it starts printing....

Just so you don't feel all alone...

-- Joe

On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, J. David Johnson wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Andre Perusse wrote:
> 
> > I have an Amiga 4000 with a Video Toaster/Flyer.  Everytime I start up the
> > Toaster/Flyer, my laser printer prints out a one-line page of gibberish.
> > If I'm stupid enough to leave the printer on during a Toaster session, the
> > printer will randomly do the same thing.  It's very annoying (not to
> > mention wasteful) and I don't see why the Toaster has to shoot garbage out
> > of the parallel port.
> > 
> > Does anyone know why the Toaster/Flyer does this?
> > 
> 
> My system does the same thing! (A400-Toaster 4000-Warp Engine-Flyer)
> I was afraid to ask thinking that I had a CIA problem (we still might) 
> and as long as I turn the printer off, no problem. I have a laser too.
> 
> I hope a few others have the same problem, as I'll sleep easier.
> 
> J. David - Video GT
> 
> 
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On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc. wrote:

> The Toaster has always done this. Some of the data lines to the parallel 
> port are "shared" by the Amiga video slot, and the Toaster is using these 
> during boot-up, as well as during transfer of images to/from the framebuffer.

Yup, I had similar problems when I used to have a printer connected to my 
Toaster machine and would forget to turn it off.  I've also noticed that 
the "floppy" drives get accessed when starting up the Toaster, even if 
there isn't a disk inserted....just some of the funkiness of the Video 
Toaster!  =)
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On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Mario Cascio wrote:
> Jim, did NEWTEK contact you about the your defective FLYER or did you 
> contact them.  I haven't heard from them since I bought my first version 
> of the FLYER which was back in January (although I originally ordered in 
> JUne of last year).  

You can't go by dates of when you bought it, they have had one insertion
machine stuffing the wrong part on the assembly line since day one, so if
you just bought one, you're just as likely to have a "bad" one as if you
got it 6 months ago. Ours that we got last October was OK. Fortunately the
manufacturing plant keeps excellent records, so they know the exact serial
number of the affected boards. 

If you are registered, "no news is good news". You will not hear from them
if yours is OK.  Of course if you are not registered, you'll never know.
They called us dealers FIRST, to have us verify/document all the units we
have sold and TO WHOM, so they could compare their customer list with
ours.  They don't intend to miss anyone. 

If you're sure you're registered, (like if you have received mail or updates
already) and they haven't called you, you can rest assured that you do 
not have an affected board. 

JC
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> From: Taka.Torimoto@oit.gatech.edu (Taka Torimoto)
> 
> Can someone tell me... what exactly is this "DEFECTIVE" Flyer?  Why is it
> "defective" and how can one find out if he/she/it has a "defective" Flyer?

The defective Flyers have a 6-volt capacitor instead of a 12-volt capacitor 
installed somewhere on the board...this defect is supposedly responsible 
for much of the flakiness found in the Flyer.  If you're one of the 
unlucky few(?) who has a defective Flyer, NewTek will contact you about 
returning it for repair, IF you've properly registered your unit.

By the way, messages to the Toaster mailing list should be sent to 
"toaster@webcom.com" and NOT to "owner-toaster@webcom.com"...Dan does
too much work for these lists already without having to forward people's 
mis-directed mail.  ...just a friendly note.  =)

                                      -David Warner
                                       Event Horizon Graphics

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From: aa794@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pete Nofel)
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   Once upon a time, way back in this thread, someone wrote:

>> > I have an Amiga 4000 with a Video Toaster/Flyer.  Everytime I start up the
>> > Toaster/Flyer, my laser printer prints out a one-line page of gibberish.

>> > Does anyone know why the Toaster/Flyer does this?

   This may be the answer or it may be net balloon juice [you know what I
mean: "Well I don't have a Sun Workstation, but my C-64 kinda did something
like that when I was in 8th grade . . . "].
   We've got an HP Laserjet connected to two PCs through a mechanical A/B
switch. Every time we flipped the switch, the laser would go off-line and
the form-feed light would come on. Press the form feed button and a
character or line of gibberish comes out.
   What I found out is that there is always some voltage going from the PC
to the printer on one of the pins. When that voltage is interrupted, the
printer interprets it as an error and dumps it to paper.
   My guess is that the Amiga/Toaster/Flyer/Dongle/etc./etc. is
interrupting that voltage coming out of the parallel port and your printers
are dumping gibberish.
   But then again, what do I know? If there's a more correct answer,
someone feel free to let me know. I'll just hate you forever 8^).

Pete

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> Can someone tell me... what exactly is this "DEFECTIVE" Flyer?  Why is it
> "defective" and how can one find out if he/she/it has a "defective" Flyer?

It turns out that a batch of Flyer cards from around Feb. '95 have a
12-volt instead of a 6-volt capacitor in place.  This capacitor provides
power to most of the important parts of the Flyer.  It can casue no
noticable problems to crashes and excessive stuttering.  If you have a
defective Flyer and you sen tin your registration, NewTek will call you
and will pay to have to card sent to a place called Midwestern Electronics
in Kansas to have it repaired.  They claim 5 days since Airborne Express
picks it up until you'll have it back.

BTW, DON'T call Tech Support to ask!  They say the've been so swamped with
calls that they can't get the return calls out to the owners of defective
cards fast enough.

So, if NewTek doesn't call, don't worry.  :)

-- Joe

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David Johnson writes--
>Can anyone shed light on their experience with tape backup units for
the  Flyer?  I am in the process of selecting one and want to make sure it 
works, and that it is reasonably speedy.

I bought a 7 Gig exabyte. According to Newtek there is no tape drive that
will currently work properly with the flyer. They said they are working on
a fix. I did try mine once and it dropped a clip from the back-up. However,
everything else was in good shape. Dropping clips is something that the
flyer software is resonposible for.You cannot compress any further the
video encoded on your flyer drives. So if your tape drives says 2 gigs
and 4 gigs compressed it means two gigs.

I also followed a long thread on another newsgroup about exabyte tape
drives. Some of the people thought that all exabytes were sh** and
others thought that they worked OK. I have already paid for my exabyte,
so I am committed to making it work. I called exabyte about this thread
and they said that I must buy an 8mm data cleaning cartridge and only
data quality tapes. They flipped out when I suggested buying some high
quality sony 8MM tape. 

The upshot is that I will not know how well my exabyte works until
Newtek releases updated software. BTW I am running version 4.03 and I
do not get stutters (extra frames) between clips. This stuttering problem
went away when I installed a 4 gig audio drive. We make one hour
videos with about 60 clips  and 30 framestores and each edit is a split
edit. Our flyer is working perfectly. I just wish it had a timeline editor.

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On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Eugene Kosarovich wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Don't worry, NewTek will contact you if your Flyer has been recalled.  They are
>  only calling so many people per week so that the repair facility isn't
>  overwhelmed.  That way they can guarantee the 5 day turn around time.
> 
> Eugene
> 

Well I got my Flyer back today Friday one day over the five day 
turnaround, not bad at all. Call me paranoid, suspicious, or just curious,
but befor I sent out the board I took a ballpoint and marked the FCC notice
on the board and guess what it's not there. So I guess I got a different 
board back than the one I sent. It looks new but I guess it could just be 
someone elses with my # on it. Interesting.

Jim
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On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, Thierry Humeau wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> It's funny, I also put a tiny mark on the board and it's not on the board they sent 
> me back. Strange, isn't it???
> 
> thierry.
> -- 
Thierry, yes although I don't I'm not thinking anything sinister is going on
probably it's just easier to get a bunch of boards in fix them and slap 
new numbers on them. I was a little disapointed that there was no T-shirts
or posters or updates even, oh well.

Seriously though did you recive anything telling you to recalibrate or 
anything? I didn't and I haven't yet, have you?

Jim
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You wrote: 
>
>Just got our Flyer in....Got a 7 Min. project ready to go....Looked great...
>Now all of a sudden there are a couple of areas that appear to lose sync and
>get blue flashes...They weren't there before....
>Any ideas...???  We're supposed to deliver the product on Monday afternoon
>and we're a little nervous at this point.

Hum, this looks like a playback problem with HQ-5 clips. Which quality did you 
digitize you video at? If you have any HQ-5 clips in your project and have at some 
point turned off your system, you need to re-enter the HQ-5 mode in the digitize 
window after rebooting the Flyer. This garantees that HQ-5 clips will playback fine.

Thierry.

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On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, J. David Johnson wrote:

> 
> Can anyone shed light on their experience with tape backup units for the 
> Flyer?  I am in the process of selecting one and want to make sure it 
> works, and that it is reasonably speedy.
> 
> I understand that when backing up Flyer Projects, most units are not as 
> fast as they would be on a PC...

I've used a couple different Exabyte models with our Flyer, and in all 
instances, the Flyer software backed up as fast as the drive's published 
specs, so nothing could have been any faster using the same drives. 

I've had good results with Exabytes, but have heard of others who have 
had good results with other drives as well.

Unless the drive you're looking at has compression built-in at the 
hardware level, you won't get any compression. Many drives that advertise 
compression require the software to do it, and the Flyer software does 
not. 

JC
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> Can someone tell me... what exactly is this "DEFECTIVE" Flyer?  Why is it
> "defective" and how can one find out if he/she/it has a "defective" Flyer?
> 
> -Taka

If you're registered with NewTek, they have a record of you and your 
serial number, and will call you if you have a Flyer that needs to be 
updated. If you don't hear from them, your Flyer is OK. If you don't know 
if they have your registration, call them with your serial number in hand.

JC
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On Sat, 10 Jun 1995, Jim Carter wrote:

>On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, Thierry Humeau wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>> 
>> It's funny, I also put a tiny mark on the board and it's not on the board they sent 
>> me back. Strange, isn't it???
>> 
>> thierry.
>> -- 
> Thierry, yes although I don't I'm not thinking anything sinister is going on
> probably it's just easier to get a bunch of boards in fix them and slap 
> new numbers on them. I was a little disapointed that there was no T-shirts
> or posters or updates even, oh well.
>
> Seriously though did you recive anything telling you to recalibrate or 
> anything? I didn't and I haven't yet, have you?
>
> Jim

I wonder what they're doing with all of those tiny marks?  You don't 
suppose they are stockpiling them for resale... ;)

Seriously, isn't it possible you *are* getting the same boards back,
but the pc board cleaner they use to remove solder flux is also removing
your ink marks?  Just a thought...

Brian
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I am looking into buying an Exabyte also and was wondering what
was the model # of the 7 gig tape drive.  I am also looking at
DEC's DLT tape backup which will do 20 gigs and its faster than
others on the market, but costs $6Gs or so.

Also you mentioned that you did not get stuttering in playback.
Are you using 9 gig drives and if so are you using Standard or
extended Play.

I was told that my Flyer was defective so I sent it back &
borrowed another that was fine and I am still getting stutters.
Newtek told me I was getting stutters because I was using a 9
gig (Mic 1991) in the Standard play, and they Newtek was only
reccomending the Quantum 2 gigs for Standard play.


Marc Dole 603-659-7778 * Alpha Animator / Amiga ReAnimator /
Flyer Pilot
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>what type of progetc where you doing. lots of audio, effects, etc.
>i just finished a progect and i ahd somer bad stuttering just towards the
>end not the front.
 
 
 The project was a nine min. sales production with live audio during some and
 voice over at other times.  The stutters came around 7 or 8 min. into the
 project.  There were 3 or 4 shots that stuttered every other shot.  Moveing
 the ins and outs a few frames did the trick.
 
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About 50% of the time, when recording in standard mode, an indicator 
comes up saying that there is a `error #138, recording cancelled'.
Cancellation of the requester does not halt recording, or seem to have 
any effect on the quality of recording.

I have checked the list of error messages for the Flyer on the NewTek BBS, 
and find no mention of `Error #138'. I also notice that the `Stop' 
button does not stop, hitting `Stop' and then `record' does. 

One other minor point. The length indicator does not increment. It goes 
to frame :04 and stops. Recorded length only shows when recording 
is stopped. 

Has anyone seen any of these, or is it just me!

Ian 

   Ian Lancaster                           ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca
   St. Francis Xavier University           "Questions?"
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On Sat, 10 Jun 1995, Brian Dady wrote:
> 
> I wonder what they're doing with all of those tiny marks?  You don't 
> suppose they are stockpiling them for resale... ;)
> 
> Seriously, isn't it possible you *are* getting the same boards back,
> but the pc board cleaner they use to remove solder flux is also removing
> your ink marks?  Just a thought...
> 
> Brian

I don't know, sounds like a coverup to me. We didn't even send them to Newtek
but to someone called Midwest Electronics on Blackbart Road. As for "PC board
cleaner" are you implying IBM has something to do with this?

OK, sorry 

Jim
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I had this problem when I didn't mount the audio drive, 
It was on the third scsi bus, but not mounted.
Once it was mounted, everything was fine?

...or something like that ;)

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On Sun, 11 Jun 1995 RME3D@aol.com wrote:

> I had this problem when I didn't mount the audio drive, 
> It was on the third scsi bus, but not mounted.
> Once it was mounted, everything was fine?

I wondered about that myself - so I put an audio drive on, and still got 
the same thing.

Thanks - Ian
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On Sun, 11 Jun 1995 MADVIDEO@delphi.com wrote:

> I was told that my Flyer was defective so I sent it back &
> borrowed another that was fine and I am still getting stutters.
> Newtek told me I was getting stutters because I was using a 9
> gig (Mic 1991) in the Standard play, and they Newtek was only
> reccomending the Quantum 2 gigs for Standard play.

Marc:
My understanding is that the Micropolis 1991 is a NewTek approved drive. 
Any idea what speeds are suitable if it won't do `Standard' without 
stutter?

Ian

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Newtek has got to get the STUTTER problem fixed now. This is a MAJOR PROBLEM
for customers. I have Newtek approved drives and the system stutters. you
shouldn't have to shift IN&OUT Points, change Effects, not use CG etc...when
your Editing you want to Edit the project, not spend time figuring out how to
get the Stutters out.
The other systems work with no stutters even the one for $8999, and off the
shelf drives with no stutters.
Newtek better get this fixed now for customers or they're going to ruin
they're reputation forever.
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I have friends with 1991 drives and have had FAQ's from Newtek
that list the  1991 as an approved drive.  I guest with the new
HQ-5 (?) quality some of the newer 1991 (firmware problem ?)
have stuttering probs.  The only thing to do is adjust In/Out
points or use Extended Quality, which really isn't close enough
to Beta for me.

Marc Dole 603-659-7778 * Alpha Animator / Amiga ReAnimator /
Flyer Pilot
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My CD install problem has gone away.  Hoorah.  Time to move on to 4.03 and
see how it works.
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You wrote: 

>
>Well I got my Flyer back today Friday one day over the five day 
>turnaround, not bad at all. Call me paranoid, suspicious, or just curious,
>but befor I sent out the board I took a ballpoint and marked the FCC notice
>on the board and guess what it's not there. So I guess I got a different 
>board back than the one I sent. It looks new but I guess it could just be 
>someone elses with my # on it. Interesting.
>

Jim,

It's funny, I also put a tiny mark on the board and it's not on the board they sent 
me back. Strange, isn't it???

thierry.
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Marc Dole writes:
>I am looking into buying an Exabyte also and was wondering what was
the model # of the 7 gig tape drive.  I am also looking at
DEC's DLT tape backup which will do 20 gigs and its faster than others
on the market, but costs $6Gs or so.

>Also you mentioned that you did not get stuttering in playback.
Are you using 9 gig drives and if so are you using Standard or extended
Play.

I am on vacation now and can't get you the model of my 7 gig exabyte at
work. I paid $2500 for the exabyte. I can only hope that it will work when
I get updated flyer software.

I am using five 9 gig micropolis for video and one 4 gig seagate for
sound. I am using standard play and I don't get stuttering. Again, I did
have this problem until I went from a .5 gig to a 4 gig audio drive. I went
to this larger drive when I discovered a 500 meg hidden file on my 500
meg audio drive. I called Newtek and found that the flyer creates this file
when I play my project. If the flyer runs out of room on the audio drive it
starts putting audio files on ANY drive it can find, and this was causing
my stuttering as it shifted around trying to find its audio files.

I have recorded some shorter clips 3-5 minutes in high quality mode and
they played back ok. But I hear from this group that longer clips get into
trouble. BTW I recorded bars in standard and high quality mode and
alternated them in a project. There was little quality difference except for
chroma noise in the red and violet region. My finished projects generally
go on to S-VHS tape and most of my customers would never see this
difference. I do have one client doing commercials on Beta SP. He
demands the HQ mode. Since commercials are so short, I have no
problem with clip length.

If you have an extra toaster handy you can do multiple graphics layering.
I record the same clip  from another toaster first without graphic keys
and again with graphic keys. Then I just mix them on the flyer and add a
third graphic level. It seems the only way to keep the same graphic over
dissolves and drop on and off extra keys without using the ugly luma
keyer.

Ed Weigel
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Just got our Flyer in....Got a 7 Min. project ready to go....Looked great...
Now all of a sudden there are a couple of areas that appear to lose sync and
get blue flashes...They weren't there before....
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An update of the Flyer backup program is available on the Newtek BBS in
the Flyer download area or through the Newtek FTP site at
ftp.newtek.com in the "updates" directory.

Enjoy it!

Thierry.

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>For those of you who use a PC at home and here at work, please be aware that 
>there may be a bogus version of the popular PKZIP archiving/compression 
>package that has appeared in various places.  Unfortunately, the bogus 
>version is a trojan-horse attack which may erase your hard disk if used. 
> Here is an extract of a message that has been making the rounds from a 
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>
>      FYI - files PKZ300B.EXE and PKZ300B.ZIP are currently being
>     distributed.  These files are NOT a version of PKZIP and will try
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>
>     Please tell all your friends and favorite BBS stops about this hack.
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Okay, here's a stupid question, I know, but I seem to be having tremendous
difficulty getting this to work.

I have scanned in some logos that are black on white.  Using a ADPro or
ImageFX, I make a negative of the image (so now it is white on black).
Save the logo as a 24-bit iff brush.  Load into ToasterCG and make a key
page.  Key the page over video and I still have a black background.  No
real surprise there.

Load the brush into ToasterPaint (or Alpha Paint, for that matter).  In
ToasterPaint, select No Background from the options menu.  Re-cut the brush
and save it.  No difference - still have black background on key page.
Trying to do this in Alpha Paint doesn't seem to work, either.

If I use Brilliance, however, I have no problems whatsoever.  I just load
the brush, stamp it down, cut it back out and save it as a 24-bit file.
Works beautifully - no black backgrounds when I key it over video.

Now, how do I duplicate this in ToasterPaint or AlphaPaint?  Seems like it
should be fairly simple, no?  I'm probably missing something easy, I'm
sure.

Thanks in advance for any replies.


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Thanks to all who responded to my question on tape drive models and 
perfomance on the Flyer system.  I did look at the APS DAT 4-8 gig drive 
for $799, but found that the speed was 17 megs per minute.

They have a HyperDAT that ran 30 megs per minute but it was $999.

After alot of checking around, I have found a 4-8gig DAT that appears to 
offer the best price/performance.  It's the Connor C4324RP with 88 megs 
per minute speed.  I ordered it thru Dirt Cheap Drives for $829 
(Internal) at 800-473-0960.

I'll get it Wednesday or Thursday and will post as to it's perfomance.


What a good time to get one too after finding out about the updated 
Backup programs from Newtek. ftp.newtek.com


Again, Thanks all...


J. David - Video GT



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In a message dated 95-06-09 21:22:01 EDT, you write:

>I sent out the board I took a ballpoint and marked the FCC notice
>on the board and guess what it's not there.

Don't forget... the final step of a professional assembly is to "wash"
the board. If the repairs are being performed in the same professional
manner, they may be dipped in a solvent to remove stray resins and
oils. Ink from a ballpoint pen wouldn't stand a chance against such
solvents.

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And our next luck winner is...

"Mr. Johnson?  This is Brad with Newtek..."


Yup. Mine is going to Kansas too!  I will mark it with a small file mark 
on a "safe" surface.  But it really doesn't matter...  as long as I get 
one back.  My board hasn't displayed any weird problems other than the 
occasional stutter that needs fixed with a little "in-point/outpoint 
two-step".  Brad said that the capacitor was responsible for most of the 
stutter problems they've encountered.

He also said that 4.04 would be on the board & ftp site next week (the 
following week at the latest).

He said that it addressed the crawl & scroll problems as well as other 
things.



Flyerless in Ohio,


J. David - Video GT

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I have a Flyer 4000 hooked to an AVEC flight recorder case with 2 4-gig
drives for video and one 345 meg drive for audio.  I was doing great with .94
software until I got tempted into installing 4.03.  I brought in the same NEC
3Xi CD-ROM drive that I used to install .94 software.  I hooked it up to the
C2 cable at the end of the SCSI chain, disconnected the audio drive on the
same chain, made sure the NEC CD-ROM drive was terminated and set to SCSI id
6.  Checked all the cables a dozen times, reinstalled the card, called NewTek
support (hah!) etc.  Still no go.  I had cleared off the old software
thinking that a clean install was a good idea.  Duh!  When the install
program got to the point of asking for me to insert ther Flyer 4.0 CD, the
system just waits and asks me to retry or cancel.  No amount of retry will
help.  The damn CD-ROM is no longer recognized nor is any other device on the
Flyer SCSI device driver.  (I checked with Inquire SCSI.)  All the cables are
hooked up, the device drivers are in the DOSDrivers drawer in the Devs
drawer, including CD6.  I am baffled beyond any comprehension.  I took the
drive back home and stuck it back in my Pentium.  It is working fine, set to
SCSI id 6.  Anybody run into similar problems?
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>I have scanned in some logos that are black on white.  Using a ADPro or
>ImageFX, I make a negative of the image (so now it is white on black).
>Save the logo as a 24-bit iff brush.  Load into ToasterCG and make a key
>page.  Key the page over video and I still have a black background.  No
>real surprise there.
>
>Load the brush into ToasterPaint (or Alpha Paint, for that matter).  In
>ToasterPaint, select No Background from the options menu.  Re-cut the brush
>and save it.  No difference - still have black background on key page.
>Trying to do this in Alpha Paint doesn't seem to work, either.
>If I use Brilliance, however, I have no problems whatsoever.  I just load
>the brush, stamp it down, cut it back out and save it as a 24-bit file.
>Works beautifully - no black backgrounds when I key it over video.
>
>Now, how do I duplicate this in ToasterPaint or AlphaPaint?  Seems like it
>should be fairly simple, no?  I'm probably missing something easy, I'm
>sure.

Try loading your brush into Tpaint (as an RGB), then select the black
that is located on the far left of the palette.<--- this is inportant 
Use the fill tool to "fill" the original black with the new black. 
Now select "no background", and pick up your new brush.

Not sure how to do it in AlphaPaint.

I think ADPro or ImageFX may not be putting the black in the correct 
location in the palette.

Hope this helps.

     Ed
Jakobere@uwstout.edu
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But is it mounted?
have you cd'd to it?
Can you see it on your Flyer Interface (not with the FlyerScsiUtil)

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On Mon, 12 Jun 1995 RME3D@aol.com wrote:

> But is it mounted?
> have you cd'd to it?
> Can you see it on your Flyer Interface (not with the FlyerScsiUtil)

The audio drive shows up on the Amiga desktop, along with the video 
drive. Iv'e sorta bit the bullet and ordered a 4Gig video and 1Gig audio. 
After the postings about gigantic hidden audio file, maybe that should be 
upped to 4Gigs for audio?

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You wrote: 

.... All the cables are
>hooked up, the device drivers are in the DOSDrivers drawer in the Devs
>drawer, including CD6....


Try to put the CD6 driver in your WBstartup drawer instead of the devs drawer. At 
bootup, the computer may not have the time to scan the CD-Rom drive, if you put its 
driver, it will allow more time for the OS to find the CD-Rom drive.

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	I have been interested to read about the recalls.  I tried
for months to solve my Flyer problems, necessitating at one point
a mother board replacement (damaged by my trouble shooting, not
the Flyer), and was finally told my Flyer had a bad capacitor
only after I just sent it back to the dealer with no
authorization (since no one would give me a return
authorization).  The replacement Flyer caused the same problems
in the computer(s), and I finally after months of effort and
badgering convinced NewTek to let me send both the Flyer and the
Toaster back to NewTek TOGETHER for operational checks.  I was
never notified of a recall, and in fact had to almost force them
to take the board (NewTek never would take the first one; it had
to go to the dealer).  I paid for my system in December, and I
have NEVER been able to use it other than for the initial short
tests after the original installation.  Over 6 months is a long
time to have that much money invested with no usage!
	
	NewTek has now had both boards since 5/26, and I have heard
nothing.

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>Try loading your brush into Tpaint (as an RGB), then select the
>black that is located on the far left of the palette.<--- this is
>inportant  Use the fill tool to "fill" the original black with the
>new black.  Now select "no background", and pick up your new brush.
>
>Not sure how to do it in AlphaPaint.
>
>I think adpro or ImageFX may not be putting the black in the correct
>location in the palette.

There's really no "correct" place to put it, and ImageFX actually simply
orders the colors in the palette by popularity.  The user can return to
the palette and sort them or reorder them as desired then lock and rerender
the image to the corrected palette if desired.

Kermit Woodall
Nova Design, Inc.
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Hi All,

     Does anyone have any personal experience with the Y/C PLUS and the 
     FLYER? I'm am trying to determine if it would be worth the $750+ cost.
     
     I have heard that it doesn't feed Y/C to the Toaster(Flyer) but merely
     encodes to composite. Would it be that much better than the composite 
     output of an Panasonic DS850, which also uses Faroudja encoding 
     technology?
     
     I'd call Y/C Plus Inc. and ask, but..... call me psychic, I know what
     their answer will be.
     
Thanks,
     Ed
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we seem to keep getting old messages.
i just got one from may 13????? 
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You wrote: 

>
>Did you find a buyer for that Flyer, yet?  Seems like a great deal to me.
> Where were you when I needed you back in February? :->

Yes, I found a buyer they are coming from Chicago to pick it up on thursday.


>
>BTW, did you get a tape backup unit yet?  I have been waiting to see what is
>the best unit for the price.  I must have one for my students so that they
>can work and then save their stuff when the next student has to get on. 
>

I have bought a Sony DDS-2 4mm DAT backup drive that can store 4 Gigs in 
uncompressed form and 8 Gig compressed for $950. Also, digital video does usually 
compressed any more than it already is to I am looking at the 4 Gig non-compressed 
figure. I had trouble with the Flyer backup program but the lastest release posted 
on Newtek's BBS and FTP site seems to work great. However, the backup speed is kind 
of slow, around 200kb/sec instead of the average 700kb/sec of the drives specs. A 
2min30 edited project took 2 hours to backup, I'd say the total quantity of video 
used in this project was probably around 5 to 6 minutes.

Later,

Thierry.
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I know 4 people who are using the Y/C plus with S-VHS & 3/4"
and they all have better signals going into & coming out of the
Toaster (Flyer).  It's now worth it if you are using M2 or
Betacam because you can't see the difference.

Marc Dole 603-659-7778 * Alpha Animator / Amiga ReAnimator /
Flyer Pilot
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Both the Micropois 1991 and the 1991AV are listed (in advertising) as 
Flyer compatible drives. Can anyone tell me if there is any advantage,
one over the other in actual use?

Thanks - Ian

   Ian Lancaster                           ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca
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On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, ED JAKOBER wrote:

>      Does anyone have any personal experience with the Y/C PLUS and the 
>      FLYER? I'm am trying to determine if it would be worth the $750+ cost.

I came real close to buying one of these, but then decided that The 
Little Magic Box (formerly Y/C++) was a better deal, since it was a 
seperate unit that could actually be used as standalone or connected 
directly to the Toaster's inputs/outputs...it also supports component 
output for BetaSP or M-II decks...and it's also a little cheaper.  

I ended up getting neither of them because all I really needed was to 
transcode the Toaster's composite output to S-VHS and found a used TBC+ 
that does the job quite nicely.

An old issue of VTU (late '93 or early '94?) had a very good comparison 
of both units and they were both about the same quality-wise...The Little 
Magic Box was definitely a better deal though.

To answer your question though, yes, the Y/Cplus only transcodes Y/C 
signals to high-quality composite...it just bypasses the Toaster's inputs 
by plugging directly into the Toaster's input bus with a ribbon cable.  
>From what I hear, if you have a lot of hardware inside your Amiga, the 
ribbon cable can pick up noise and "Phfft" there goes your high-quality 
signal. 

Even though I don't have one, I would recommend The Little Magic Box over 
the Y/Cplus....but that's just based on research I've done and not 
personal experience.  =)

Later....
                                      -David Warner
                                       Event Horizon Graphics


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Hi all,

	I sent my Flyer off to Midwest Electronics on Monday and I got it
back TODAY! (Wednesday...in case this post slips off into limbo for a while)
What a shock.... I wasn't going to look for it till next week.
Hmmmm... wonder if they did anything with it.

Oh well. Has anyone heard of a rumor that new firm ware was available for
Seaquest drives? Just checking here.... you know what calling NewTek
can be like.

Later,
	Ed
Jakobere@uwstout.edu
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On Thu, 8 Jun 1995 MikNielsen@aol.com wrote:

> I have a Flyer 4000 hooked to an AVEC flight recorder case with 2 4-gig
> drives for video and one 345 meg drive for audio.  I was doing great with .94
> software until I got tempted into installing 4.03.  I brought in the same NEC
> 3Xi CD-ROM drive that I used to install .94 software.  I hooked it up to the
> C2 cable at the end of the SCSI chain, disconnected the audio drive on the
> same chain, made sure the NEC CD-ROM drive was terminated and set to SCSI id
> 6.  Checked all the cables a dozen times, reinstalled the card, called NewTek
> support (hah!) etc.  Still no go.  I had cleared off the old software
> thinking that a clean install was a good idea.  Duh!  When the install
> program got to the point of asking for me to insert ther Flyer 4.0 CD, the
> system just waits and asks me to retry or cancel.  No amount of retry will
> help.  The damn CD-ROM is no longer recognized nor is any other device on the
> Flyer SCSI device driver.  (I checked with Inquire SCSI.)  All the cables are
> hooked up, the device drivers are in the DOSDrivers drawer in the Devs
> drawer, including CD6.  I am baffled beyond any comprehension.  I took the
> drive back home and stuck it back in my Pentium.  It is working fine, set to
> SCSI id 6.  Anybody run into similar problems?
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Ok, I had this problem and I think Newtek tells you about this in the 
install instructions with the 4.03 software but anyway this is how it 
works just install/reboot your machine and install again. what happens is 
that the software installs the cd rom driver software but it doesnt 
activate until you reboot your machine with the asim driver that should 
correct it good luck...... Zac T.

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I've made two attempts at posting regarding the message lags only to hit
what appears to be a problem on Webcom today.  I got e-mail back from them
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week were more than likely caused by service disruptions while they tweeked
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More e-mail to the support folk...  :(
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<---- Begin Included Message ---->

>Load the brush into ToasterPaint (or Alpha Paint, for that matter).  In
>ToasterPaint, select No Background from the options menu.  Re-cut the brush
>and save it.  No difference - still have black background on key page.


Try loading your brush into Tpaint (as an RGB), then select the black
that is located on the far left of the palette.<--- this is inportant 
Use the fill tool to "fill" the original black with the new black. 
Now select "no background", and pick up your new brush.

Not sure how to do it in AlphaPaint.

I think ADPro or ImageFX may not be putting the black in the correct 
location in the palette.


<---- End Included Message ---->

This is also the case when using AlphaPaint-I had a similar problem initially. 
In AlphaPaint, use the eye-dropper to select the backround color (from the 
background of the image). Then select the scissor tool and the proper cutting 
tool and voila! This should work. Make sure to have the Alpha on before saving 
the brush.

Steve Soltz
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On 14-Jun-95 11:01:07, Ian Lancaster (ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca) E-Mailed:

>Both the Micropois 1991 and the 1991AV are listed (in advertising) as
>Flyer compatible drives. Can anyone tell me if there is any advantage,
>one over the other in actual use?


According to NewTek Tech support, the "AV" drives currently do not work
properly with the Flyer, and Micropolis is quite busy in investigating
why. The 1991 is reported to work well with the Flyer.

JC
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Some users have been experiencing message lags in that messages received
have taken several days to get to the destination.  I asked Webcom about it.
Basically, because of the changes made on their end from switching carriers,
when they were trying to tweek and enhance the connections and whatnot, mail
delivery may have been delayed depending on what was done.  This delay could
have been anywhere from minutes to several days.  According to what they
said, things should be getting back to normal very soon.
 
Keep an eye out on it though.  If it still happens after perhaps Friday,
I'll mail 'em again.

Render on!
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On Wednesday, June 14, 1995, jakobere@uwstout.edu wrote:

>Oh well.  Has anyone heard of a rumor that new firm ware was available for
>Seaquest drives?  Just checking here....  You know what calling NewTek can

Ed,

Yep.  The components are all mounted on a small Bridger-board.  <=^]

(sorry.  couldn't resist.)

db 

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Some users have been experiencing message lags in that messages received
have taken several days to get to the destination.  I asked Webcom about it.
Basically, because of the changes made on their end from switching carriers,
when they were trying to tweek and enhance the connections and whatnot, mail
delivery may have been delayed depending on what was done.  This delay could
have been anywhere from minutes to several days.  According to what they
said, things should be getting back to normal very soon.
 
Keep an eye out on it though.  If it still happens after perhaps Friday,
I'll mail 'em again.

Render on!
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From: ED JAKOBER <JAKOBERE@uwstout.edu>
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>On Wednesday, June 14, 1995, jakobere@uwstout.edu wrote:
>
>>Oh well.  Has anyone heard of a rumor that new firm ware was available for
>>Seaquest drives?  Just checking here....  You know what calling NewTek can
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>Ed,
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>Yep.  The components are all mounted on a small Bridger-board.  <=^]
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Ha! didn't notice that.

OK, OK I goofed....:)  I was mentally trying Not to type Syquest and got 
Seagate and Syquest combined and who cares? Picky, picky... db, you got 
nothing better to do? ;)

SO! Seagate drives? New firmware? Anyone?

     Ed
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There is a file on Aminet called 2megagnus50d4.lha, in the hard/hack 
directory. The project is the building of a 2Meg upgrade for Amiga 
2000's, along the lines of the DBK Megachip 2000. Has anyone attempted
to construct this device, or have any details on the availability of the 
componants, PC boards etc.?

   Ian Lancaster                           ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca
   St. Francis Xavier University           "Questions?"
   Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada               

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Did anyone see the Batman special they aired on I believe ABC.  They were
using Amiga Toasters for some of the Special Effects.  Some of the shots
were of batman swinging around the buildings of Gotham City.  I did not 
believe my eyes when I saw the Amiga PAR Screen on tv and The Toaster on
the Desk.

                                                Manuel Desantos.....
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 Mark A. Gosine (Mail Code: EC11E)                                              
 F/H Business Services/ Fuels Optimization Team                                 
 Mon-Thurs 7:00-5:30pm(704-382-3755)                                            
 SUBJECT: HQ5 and the like                                                      

 <T>:  toaster@webcom.com                                                       

   O.K. I read the List about the HQ5 recording level. This secret pop-up you   
 can bring up using the ~ key in combo with Amiga right or left or something!   
 Well, I haven't been able to get it to come up. Yep...call me stupid, and I'll 
 agree with you.  Flyer software 4.03, and I just recieved my very much expected
 phone call from Newtek.  And, and I will gladly send in my flyer board!  Maybe 
 when it returns I will get some work done.                                     
   Also, the 'Flyer to Clip' program, I can't find it.                          
   I suspected that the install for 4.03 never install the bug fixes and updates
  but it did!  I've looked everywhere! Hmmmm.                                   
   Are you all plulling my leg about this stuff. Is this an International       
 conspiracy. Or What. %^).                                                      
    Signed                                                                      
   -Tired in Shelby                                                             

   -Marcus                                                                      

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                     and you would not have been informed!                      

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Do you need a Flyer to use the Utilities IFF2Clip and Clip2IFF?
I need to grab video and break it down to IFF24 so I can use it with
Lightwave.  My friend has a flyer but I down want to Tie up his machine
breaking down the frames so I would just copy the clip to my machine and
break it down on my own.  Thanks in advance.


                                              Manuel Desantos.....
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On 15-Jun-95 13:25:03, Manuel DeSantos (manueld@pinn.net) E-Mailed:

> Do you need a Flyer to use the Utilities IFF2Clip and Clip2IFF?
> I need to grab video and break it down to IFF24 so I can use it with
> Lightwave.  My friend has a flyer but I down want to Tie up his machine
> breaking down the frames so I would just copy the clip to my machine and
> break it down on my own.  Thanks in advance.

Right now you can only do this on the Flyer system itself. But ImageFX is
soon to release an update that handles Flyer clip processing modules, so
you could then move the clip file to another Amiga and process it over
there, or just build a Flyer clip from IFF files on a machine that does
not have a Flyer, and move it to a Flyer-equipped system for playback.
These ImageFX clip processing modules are in BETA stage right now...

    ,-------------------------------------------------------,
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Please take my name off your list....
I'm tired of getting nuisance calls at home, And now its gonna start on the
NETS!
Please don't send any more e-mail to me.
I think your service is an intrussion.
Putting your removal address at the END of your e-mail is also an INSULT!

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-Richie

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I don't own a flyer, but I do own a Toaster. Most of the Flyer news that 
comes through the Toaster list is irrelevent to people like me without a 
Flyer. How about creating a Flyer mailing list.?

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<---- Begin Included Message ---->

Please take my name off your list....
I'm tired of getting nuisance calls at home, And now its gonna start on the
NETS!
Please don't send any more e-mail to me.
I think your service is an intrussion.
Putting your removal address at the END of your e-mail is also an INSULT!

promo-ent@promo-ent.com


Thanks
-Richie



<---- End Included Message ---->

Get a clue, man! If you parallel the wonderful and helpful hints for those in 
need of info that come across this list to JUNK MAIL then you don't belong 
here anyway. The only thing insulting I've ever received on this list is YOUR 
MEESAGE! Quite the opposite, I'd like to thank Dan and all the members of this 
list for a fantastic service. I've received numerous helpful hints and info.

I'm sorry about the negativity, but this one really ticked me off!


Steve Soltz
SSK Creatives
ssoltz@mail.multiverse.com

"I'm not nervous. I'm ANIMATED!"





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I would like to add Framstore loading (and maybe saving) support to a
software package. Is the file format documented anywhere?
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I wonder if I can import and use Studio 16 samples
into my Flyer audio hard disk.
Does anybody knows if is possible ?
What audio format does the Flyer uses ?

Answers welcome

Thanks

Checko D'avila

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I hope you have received my apology,
The post 
42K of JUNK
was not directed to Toaster and Lightwave!



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Hi all,

I've created this animation 6 seconds the last two seconds are totally still.
I put the 2 second ending for the purpose of adding a transition onthe flyer
edit line it's not long enough. Of course the easiest way to remedy this 
is to rerender and make it longer but I don't want to tieup my machine. So
what I want to do is make a clip of just the two second ending and somehow
add it to the original 6 second anim and come up with an 8 second clip.
Help. 

On the stuttering question, I found sometimes on a playback I would get 
it and sometimes I wouldn't. Yesterday i discovered if I turned on the Flyer
first and my harddrives second I got it and if I turned on my harddrives 
first I didn't. Also if I turn off the harddrives while in the flyer and 
turned them back on I got it. I hope this helps someone.

Lastly, when I first got my toaster about a year and a half ago I had 
been useing DCTV and found that they weren't compatible on the same machine.
I don't remember exactly but I think I got alot of crashing and or some 
weird colors. Last night on my home machine I rediscovered just how cool
dctv paint is especially in light of how much Tpaint/flyer sucks on my 3000.
Does anyone know how to successfully run both DCTV and toaster/Flyer on 
the same machine?

Thanks Jim
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On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, Jim Carter wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I've created this animation 6 seconds the last two seconds are totally still.
> I put the 2 second ending for the purpose of adding a transition onthe flyer
> edit line it's not long enough. Of course the easiest way to remedy this 
> is to rerender and make it longer but I don't want to tieup my machine. So
> what I want to do is make a clip of just the two second ending and somehow
> add it to the original 6 second anim and come up with an 8 second clip.
> Help. 
> 

Make a Flyer-Still by putting the animation clip "up top" in the project 
window and click on control. Go into fine tune and select cutting room.

simply put your sliders together near the end where there is no movement 
and give the clip a new name "animname-End" and it will save a Flyer 
Still out. (This does not hurt your original anim clip)

Now put the flyerstill clip as the next crouton past the animation and 
set it's length to whatever you need for the following transition.

In the above instance, I would set the outpoint of the animation 1 or two 
frames past where the movement stops, (00:04:02 in above example) and set 
the Flyer Still to 4 seconds and VIOLA!


Also this is about the only way to get a matching end frame for some 
animations.  The compression the Flyer uses on animations sometimes 
prevents the use of a regular framestore. (They don't match - color or 
luminance)


Hope this helps...


J. David - Video GT
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> I've created this animation 6 seconds the last two seconds are totally still.
> I put the 2 second ending for the purpose of adding a transition onthe flyer
> edit line it's not long enough. Of course the easiest way to remedy this 
> is to rerender and make it longer but I don't want to tieup my machine. So
> what I want to do is make a clip of just the two second ending and somehow
> add it to the original 6 second anim and come up with an 8 second clip.
> Help. 

Just render the last frame and save it as a framestore and put that at 
the end of your animation.  (There could be a color variation however.  
I've noticed that often the FLYER's animation clips colors don't match the 
actual program monitors screen when rendering)  It's worth a shot.

As far as I know, there is no way to combine clips together.  Maybe 
somebody is listening out there who is a good programmer?

> On the stuttering question, I found sometimes on a playback I would get 
> it and sometimes I wouldn't. Yesterday i discovered if I turned on the Flyer
> first and my harddrives second I got it and if I turned on my harddrives 
> first I didn't. Also if I turn off the harddrives while in the flyer and 
> turned them back on I got it. I hope this helps someone.

I'll have to try this out.

Good Luck Jim.


Mario Cascio
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On Wed, 14 Jun 1995 d.barlow@oubbs.telecom.uoknor.edu wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 14, 1995, jakobere@uwstout.edu wrote:
> 
> >Oh well.  Has anyone heard of a rumor that new firm ware was available for
> >Seaquest drives?  Just checking here....  You know what calling NewTek can
> 
> Ed,
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  Hey I missed something here I have 2 Seagate 15150N( the 4 Gb drives) 
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> I've created this animation 6 seconds the last two seconds are totally still.
> I put the 2 second ending for the purpose of adding a transition onthe flyer
> edit line it's not long enough. Of course the easiest way to remedy this 
> is to rerender and make it longer but I don't want to tieup my machine. So
> what I want to do is make a clip of just the two second ending and somehow
> add it to the original 6 second anim and come up with an 8 second clip.
> Help. 

Just render the last frame and save it as a framestore and put that at 
the end of your animation.  (There could be a color variation however.  
I've noticed that often the FLYER's animation clips colors don't match the 
actual program monitors screen when rendering)  It's worth a shot.

As far as I know, there is no way to combine clips together.  Maybe 
somebody is listening out there who is a good programmer?

> On the stuttering question, I found sometimes on a playback I would get 
> it and sometimes I wouldn't. Yesterday i discovered if I turned on the Flyer
> first and my harddrives second I got it and if I turned on my harddrives 
> first I didn't. Also if I turn off the harddrives while in the flyer and 
> turned them back on I got it. I hope this helps someone.

I'll have to try this out.

Good Luck Jim.


Mario Cascio
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On June 17 Jim Carter <momar@wolfe.net> posted
Last night on my home machine I rediscovered just how cool
dctv paint is especially in light of how much Tpaint/flyer
sucks on my 3000.
Does anyone know how to successfully run both DCTV and
toaster/Flyer on
the same machine?

I never had a problem using DCTV and the Toaster on the same
machine because I didn't hook up the Parallel port of the DCTV
unit to the Amiga.

Marc Dole 603-659-7778 * Alpha Animator / Amiga ReAnimator /
Flyer Pilot
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On Sat, 17 Jun 1995 MADVIDEO@delphi.com wrote:

> On June 17 Jim Carter <momar@wolfe.net> posted
> Last night on my home machine I rediscovered just how cool
> dctv paint is especially in light of how much Tpaint/flyer
> sucks on my 3000.
> Does anyone know how to successfully run both DCTV and
> toaster/Flyer on
> the same machine?
> 
> I never had a problem using DCTV and the Toaster on the same
> machine because I didn't hook up the Parallel port of the DCTV
> unit to the Amiga.
> 

I did have a slight problem -- the Genlock on the Toaster gave some
strange colos with DCTV attached to the RGB port (no praellel connection).
 That includes Scroll/Crawl pages.  You need to disconnect DCTV before
trying those...

-- Joe

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As I often have multi-camera shoots, but do not have timecode in my 
system, I would like to be able to do the following:

Digitize clips from two or three different tapes. (Different views of 
same occurance)

Look for a common happening in each clip, and have a button that says:

Set to Zero


This would allow me to sync my clips extremely easily.


I currently Laydown clip one and do a split audio edit. Then I scrub thru 
B & C Roll clips to "lip sync".  Pain in the butt.  Of couse the original 
clip settings are easy as I just have to add following clip lengths to 
it's endpoint and go t0o the next frame, but it sure would be easier if I 
could set a "Marker" or timecode values that would allow me to set the 
inpoint of the next clip one frame past the in point of the previous clip.


Does this make sense to anyone?



Oh BTW.  Installed the 4.04 upgrade and the scrolls & crawls work correctly 
for me, plus you can now set the speed from the control icon!
Also the readme says it fixes the save framestore from switcher bug. 
Haven't tried it yet tho...


The overlays still don't work now, but chroma effects sequence well now.

(I wanna do the old film effect, but can only get sepiatone, the overlay 
won't run right.)


J. David - Video GT
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Fernando Polini <fpolini@sol.racsa.co.cr> wrote:

>I wonder if I can import and use Studio 16 samples
>into my Flyer audio hard disk.
>Does anybody knows if is possible ?

I tried to import into Studio 16 (not the other way). I thought it would be 
nice to be able to take some Flyer audio and "clean it up" rather than 
try to edit around flaws. I got lots a noise and clicks, although I 
could still recognise the sample. The formats must be similar. 

>What audio format does the Flyer uses ?

Good question.

I called the Studio 16 people and asked about support for the Flyer format.
I got no real answer other than they are talking to NewTek. Call and demand
support. The Flyer really needs some audio sweeting abilities.

One more point on a related topic...
I'd like to be able to to set SMPTE (on my Flyer) to 00:00:00:00 at the 
begining of my production and have the SMPTE feed out serial B. 

This would give me:

1. a full running time of my production.
2. the ability to lock other SMPTE equipment to my Flyer ( Studio 16, ADAT, etc.)

THEN, I could make this thing fly.

Later 
     Ed
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does anyone have a amiga communications program so i can
download off a bbs.
will repay you some how.
thanks joe
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Thanks to everyone who replied. I didn't mention that I had dismissed useing
a still because of the quality difference (color) but I had. however I didn't
try;
> simply put your sliders together near the end where there is no movement 
> and give the clip a new name "animname-End" and it will save a Flyer 
> Still out. (This does not hurt your original anim clip)...
> 
> J. David - Video GT
This seems to work much better than a regular stillframe. Still it would 
be nice to be able to combine clips into one.

On the DCTV question I'll try that when I get done investigateing 4.04
which I just installed. Tpaint is a real pain still maybe even moreso I
keep getting an error message in process saying that there's a space in 
my file name so it won't process clips or frames (it did on 4.03) and my 
machine crashes if I even try to use text (same as 4.03) although split edits
work, yea!. I haven't tried scroll yet (fingers crossed).

Jim
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Thanks for the info on 4.04 -- I haven't had a chance to DL it yet from
the BBS...

BTW, on the NewTek BBS is a form for feature requests and bug reports from
end users.  The file's called BugFeat.LHA.  This is for ANY NewTek
products (LW, Toaster, Flyer, Digipaint...?) I'm putting in a request for
a Flyer feature that, rather than telling you that there is a sequenceing
error and making YOU fix it, it'll ask you if it should adjust the clip or
effect to fit into the space available.  Just thought I'd pass this info
along...

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        I had no trouble deleting files (video clips) on Flyer drives
before, but over the past three weeks or so, everytime I try to delete a
file from within the Flyer, the computer locks up.  Upon rebooting, I find
that the file's Flyer icon has been deleted, but the file itself is
untouched.  Deleting from Workbench is not a problem, however.

        Has anyone else experienced this problem?

        TIA.

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On Mon, 19 Jun 1995, Andre Perusse wrote:

>         I had no trouble deleting files (video clips) on Flyer drives
> before, but over the past three weeks or so, everytime I try to delete a
> file from within the Flyer, the computer locks up.  Upon rebooting, I find
> that the file's Flyer icon has been deleted, but the file itself is
> untouched.  Deleting from Workbench is not a problem, however.
> 
>         Has anyone else experienced this problem?
> 

No, but I have had the system "hang" when reorganizing the drives. (It 
scared me cause I had several editing hours in there and needed to make 
room for a few more clips to finish.)

However, after rebooting the files were there with no apparent trashing!

WHEW!!


Still have a slight stutter on the first clip after a split audio clip.

In other words the the first clip plays all audio and when the secong 
comes in with video, the audio stutters but not video.

Also play from isn't very accurate when it comes to audio.  I normally 
lay down my audio with the first clip with a split audio edit, then lay 
the following clips down with audio turned off.

If I play-from somewhere in the middle, the audio is not exactly where it 
should be (approx. 2 to 6 frames off) Play from beginning works fine tho.

Kind of a PAIN as I am lip syncing the clips and have to play from start 
to get an accurate audio playback. (Get's kinda old after 5 minutes in 
the project)



Also, as I have said earlier, I'd like to see a set to zero feature in 
the clip panel.HEY WAIT A MINUTE! If I decide where at the beginning of 
each clip is zero. (camera flash fo instance) I can go into cutting room 
later and cut new clips that start at the same time.  I guess that'll work.

Never-mind....


J. David - Video GT

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Hello All,


  I've been experimenting with converting flyer clips to IFF and them using 
ImageFX's batch processing capabilities to produce some rather amazing 
effects. So, I have a few questions:

 How do I convert Audio Flyer Clips?

 How do I re-insert a clip?

                                            Muchas Gracias



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How do I convert audio clips to other audio formats?

How do I re-insert a converted IFF file to a clip file?

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Is the Flyer SVHS input disabled?

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Just read your message about doing so "amazing effects" using ImageFX on your
flyer.  Think you might be able to send us a tape of what you are doing at
some point?  Thanks!

Kermit Woodall
Nova Design, Inc.
Kermit@cup.portal.com


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On Tue, 20 Jun 1995 totoket@callnet.com wrote:

> Is the Flyer SVHS input disabled?

The Flyer's S-VHS input will not be usable until the add-on time base 
corrector board is released and who knows when that will happen!  =(

The only way I know of to get S-VHS quality signals into the Flyer, is to 
transcode the signal to composite with just about any TBC available for 
the Toaster.

                                      -David Warner
                                       Event Horizon Graphics


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Hey gang!

I just finished browsing a copy of Burt Wilson's new book, "Complete Post 
Production With the Video Toaster". Wow! It's chock full of great tips 
and tutorials to help anyone who uses a Toaster to make videos or 
commercials. It even has a sample contract in the appendix! Man, Burt has 
really put some great information together. He has chapters on 
negotiating fees, marketing and  even how to get into making commercials. 
There is a lot of real world advice that I can only assume is from the 
school of hard knocks. I know this sounds like a shameless plug for 
Burt's book, it is. Burt is a friend of mine and colleague, and I can 
vouch that he does make great video. You can see for yourself by 
attending a Los Angeles Video Toaster Users Group meeting.  

All kidding aside, this book is good. The contract is worth the price alone.
It's announced in the latest (July) VTU in the new products column (Burt 
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Here it is:

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Anyone been successful in using the reorganize command with the FLYER?
I've tried it many times and it doesn't make any more room on my drives.

Is this another bug or am I doing something wrong?

What other program will allow me to condense my hard drives?

Thanks in advance,

Mario Cascio
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We have the new Quantum Atlas 4.0GB Drives.  Since laying the new 4.04
software we keep getting "dropped file" errors in the HQ5 mode.  We didn't
get those before.  Seems like about 4-5 seconds and BANG, we get the dropped
file error and the system stops.
Any Iders ?
Thanks,
Ed
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I noticed today that NewTek has put version 4.04 of the Flyer up on the 
ftp site (ftp.newtek.com).

Looks like a few bug fixes, and a new icon that says "4.04."

Chuck


                
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On Wed, 21 Jun 1995 CEVAnim@aol.com wrote:

> We have the new Quantum Atlas 4.0GB Drives.  Since laying the new 4.04
> software we keep getting "dropped file" errors in the HQ5 mode.  We didn't
> get those before.  Seems like about 4-5 seconds and BANG, we get the dropped
> file error and the system stops.
> Any Iders ?

I probably have more questions than answers.

After loading ver4.04 I discovered that I no longer had access to CG, 
Lightwave or TPaint. Trying to use CG resulted in loss of the Flyer 
function, but Switcher remained active. Trying to activate LW or TPaint 
resulted in a system lock-up. I also started to lose my audio 
drive intermittently. I also noticed the odd file popping up where it 
should not be - LW-config on the desktop for example.

In the end, I deleted the NewTek draw and did a complete install. I now 
have the CG back, but no sign of LW/TPaint. I need more time to play with 
this!

The above was all noted on a A2000 with Toaster 4000/ Flyer/Fusion-40 
/16meg/OS2.1, all limping along with 1meg chip.

To answer your original question - I experienced the same thing, but it 
seemed to get fixed with all the messing around - sorry!

Cheers - Ian
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I've just upgraded our Flyer to the newest release (4.04) in doing so I 
discovered a audio glitch when cutting from a video clip with "Play Audio" 
unchecked to a clip with "Play Audio" checked. When the project is played 
the second video clip (the one with "Play Audio" checked) starts with two or 
three frames of noise from the proceeding clip (the one with "Play Audio" 
unchecked. Both video clips were captured and saved with audio, but on the 
first clip I don't need the audio track. It's B-Roll footage the audio is to 
 be replaced with music and VO. The second clip is of a gentleman talking. 
Has anyone else ran across this glitch? If so... is there a fix? Other than 
recapturing the first video clip without audio.

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Have a Nice Day! 

John Bourg - Production Manager
Computer Television Network
jbctn@phoenix.net 
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totket@callnet.com was heard to ask

"Is the Flyer SVHS input disabled?"

Yes, the SVHS input is there to function with the NewTek TBC daughtercard
which attaches to the FLYER. And no it is not available yet, and my bet is it
is not even under deveopment yet.

Robert <just trying to FLY-r> Coates

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> I've just upgraded our Flyer to the newest release (4.04) in doing so I 
> discovered a audio glitch when cutting from a video clip with "Play Audio" 
> unchecked to a clip with "Play Audio" checked. When the project is played 
> the second video clip (the one with "Play Audio" checked) starts with two or 
> three frames of noise from the proceeding clip (the one with "Play Audio" 
> unchecked. Both video clips were captured and saved with audio, but on the 
> first clip I don't need the audio track. It's B-Roll footage the audio is to 
>  be replaced with music and VO. The second clip is of a gentleman talking. 
> Has anyone else ran across this glitch? If so... is there a fix? Other than 
> recapturing the first video clip without audio.

Although my Flyer has gone into the land of UPS limbo (DOH!), from what I
remeber, you can make a Video & Audio clip into a Video Only clip by going
into the Cutting Room, selecting the WHOLE clip, and clicking OFF the
Audio button.  That should make a new clip with all the same video, but no
audio track.  Hope this helps...

-- Joe

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On Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:10:21 -0400 (EDT)  Joe Angell wrote:
>
>> I've just upgraded our Flyer to the newest release (4.04) in doing so I 
>> discovered a audio glitch when cutting from a video clip with "Play 
Audio" 
>> unchecked to a clip with "Play Audio" checked. When the project is played 

>> the second video clip (the one with "Play Audio" checked) starts with two 
or 
>> three frames of noise from the proceeding clip (the one with "Play Audio" 

>> unchecked. Both video clips were captured and saved with audio, but on 
the 
>> first clip I don't need the audio track. It's B-Roll footage the audio is 
to 
>>  be replaced with music and VO. The second clip is of a gentleman 
talking. 
>> Has anyone else ran across this glitch? If so... is there a fix? Other 
than 
>> recapturing the first video clip without audio.
>
>Although my Flyer has gone into the land of UPS limbo (DOH!), from what I
>remeber, you can make a Video & Audio clip into a Video Only clip by going
>into the Cutting Room, selecting the WHOLE clip, and clicking OFF the
>Audio button.  That should make a new clip with all the same video, but no
>audio track.  Hope this helps...
>
>-- Joe
>
>
Tried that Joe. I'd didn't delete the audio tracks from the new clip.
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John Bourg - Production Manager
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who
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>who
>end

Whoops!  Excuse my owl immitation.  One day I'll learn what address to send
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I just finished installing 4.04b and I have been unable to call up the New 
Clip window. Any Suggestions?


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John DeNicola
President, Operations Officer,
Computer Videographer, Animator,
Flying Toasterhead, 
Public Multimedia Specialist.
Totoket TV
NBPCAG, INC. Northford, Ct. USA
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Amiga PAR and Conner 540MB Drive For Sale. Asking $1350.

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Something bizarre is happening at work with our internet connection.  Though
we're still receiving bursts of e-mail, we can't get to the outside world.
As such, I can't telnet into Netcom or Primenet during the day to take care
of administrative tasks which has already been slightly slowed down by other
temporary oddities of life.  I'm hoping the internet problems at work will
get corrected soon as it really did help cut down the administrative work load.

So don't be surprised if something is taking longer than it should.  :(

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I have a Micropolis 1Gig Scssi Harddrive in my 40000..It crashed. Does
anybody know of a way to recover the data on it. It actually comes up with a
bad sector. This happened a couple of weeks ago and I turned the Toaster off
and let sit overnite, and it came back. No it won't comeback.
Patriick@ix.Netcom.Com
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Greetings,

     I ran DMS, and I got an dms error message at the end of the decompression,
     when "DMSing" each of the three disks. I then checked with lha and 
     everything seems to be there, and there were no errors. At this point 
     I'm not sure if I should replace my 4.03. 
     Anyone else have this "problem". Is everything OK? And given, some people
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Thanks,
	Ed
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>
>To:Patriick@ix.netcom.com (Patrick M. Mirucki)
>From:tony0@aloha.net (Tony LeHoven)
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>
>>I have a Micropolis 1Gig Scssi Harddrive in my 40000..It crashed. Does
>>anybody know of a way to recover the data on it. It actually comes up with a
>>bad sector.
>
>Patrick, look for DiskSalv at the Aminet sites. It has saved me a few times.
>        -Tony
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I know that this subject has been touched on before, but would like to 
inquire further on the subject. Does anyone have practical experience 
with an Exabyte 8505 as a device for backing up, or archiving Flyer drives?
An indication of real world speeds would be handy. Are there any other 
alternatives that I should consider?

Wish list items!
Wouldn't it be nice if NewTek (Tim!) could produce a small interface to 
`dock' harddrives to camera bodies, that would then record using Flyer 
compression formats, and then be hooked back in to the Flyer system. The 
proposed system for interfacing and portability with PC's and Amiga's is
nice as a field editor, but a dockable harddrive would be nicer for 
shooting in the field.

Thanks to the list - the Club Toaster CD is great!

Cheers - Ian

   Ian Lancaster                           ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca
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On 26-Jun-95 09:51:59, Patrick M. Mirucki (Patriick@ix.netcom.com) E-
Mailed:

> I have a Micropolis 1Gig Scssi Harddrive in my 40000..It crashed. Does
> anybody know of a way to recover the data on it. It actually comes up
> with a bad sector. This happened a couple of weeks ago and I turned the
> Toaster off and let sit overnite, and it came back. No it won't
> comeback. Patriick@ix.Netcom.Com Patrick M. Mirucki

DiskSalv is the only commercial offering available at present, costs about
$40 at your favorite Amiga software dealer. There is also an older
shareware version available on Aminet (ftp.netnet.net) somewhere in the
/pub/aminet/disk/?? area.

John.
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On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Ian Lancaster wrote:

> Thanks to the list - the Club Toaster CD is great!


Yes!  I forgot to mention that I received my 1st Club Toaster disk last 
week (less than a week after I subscribed!) and I am VERY happy with it!

The 572megs of content is all top-notch and the interactive software to 
navigate through it all is very well done and a breeze to use.  I 
especially like the News & Views section since it features the authors' 
voices reading the articles that they have written...very nice feature 
and greatly appreciated by someone who has difficulty reading small-font 
text.  =)

Congratulations to David Hebel and the rest of the people at Dimension 
Technologies who did an excellent job with Issue#1 of Club Toaster...I 
hope you guys are around for a long, long time!

                                      -David Warner
                                       Event Horizon Graphics


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On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Ian Lancaster wrote:
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I know that this subject has been touched on before, but would like to 

This was slugged 9.15.47 ADT in the header, so I mailed it tuesday 
morning. It just arrived back here via the list - a trip to the moon and
back on roller blades would have been faster!

Ian
 


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I was curious to know what the Storage Capacity was for the following:

 VHS
 ---
 
  on my Quantum 2 Gig Drive Video Only is 00:11:23 
        Quantum 2 Gig Drive Audio Only ia 3:22:00    
        Quantum 540S Hard Drive Audio Only is 00:50:00

  Ummm...I suppose a 9 gig drive would hold 50 mins of Video?

  Can someone provide me with storage capacity figures for HQ and SVHS?

               
                                             Muchas Gracias!

 Hey, Arnold Schwartznegger (Sp.?) was flying over Ne Haven today for the 
start of the Special Olympic Games later this week. Apparently, he has rented 
a house down the street from a friends for $20,000 dollars. Cool!

 "I'm Special Too"


 
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Hello Fellow FLYERS,

I need to find a program that will reorganize (Defragment) my harddrives 
before next week.  I have a project that will require more space than I 
currently have available.  NOTE:  I have tried the command within the 
FLYER but it doesn't seem to work.

Thanks in advance,

Mario Cascio
ProMotion

PS  Does anyone know when lightwave in focus is going to be shipping.  It 
has been over a month and a half since I ordered it.

PS2  Is there a way of recording a FLYER clip while a transition is "say" 
halfway completed.
example:

   ____________
  |            |
  |  video     |
  |            |
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  |            |
  | framestore |
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On 27-Jun-95 09:15:47, Ian Lancaster (ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca) E-Mailed:

> I know that this subject has been touched on before, but would like to
> inquire further on the subject. Does anyone have practical experience
> with an Exabyte 8505 as a device for backing up, or archiving Flyer
> drives? An indication of real world speeds would be handy. Are there any
> other  alternatives that I should consider?

The Exabyte drives work very well, and achieve their advertised 32MB/min
running rates with the Flyer. If you do buy one, make sure you get the
8505XL, not the 8505. The "XL" model costs the same, but can use the
longer tapes with a 40% greater capacity. They are the same drives,
otherwise.

John.
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> Wish list items!
> Wouldn't it be nice if NewTek (Tim!) could produce a small interface to 
> `dock' harddrives to camera bodies, that would then record using Flyer 
> compression formats, and then be hooked back in to the Flyer system. The 
> proposed system for interfacing and portability with PC's and Amiga's is
> nice as a field editor, but a dockable harddrive would be nicer for 
> shooting in the field.

Good idea.  I've actaully used a 3/4" Camera before that had the VTR
seperate from the camera -- they were both heavy as hell and had be be
slung over your shoulder if you wanted to do any work.  The cable was
about 6 ft. long -- useless for keeping the Camera and VTR apart during a
shoot -- that cabe was as thick as your wrist.

So, the idea of NewTek making a system similar didn't shock me too much --
why wait for digital cameras; just buy ANY and hook your Flyer into it! 
what a great idea...  Now docking it directly to a camera would be perfect
(too bad I can't afford one of those type... :) )

> Thanks to the list - the Club Toaster CD is great!

Yeah, too bad mine was defective... DOH!

-- Joe

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From: Joe Angell <jangell@risd.edu>
Subject: Re: FLYER Reorganize
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> Hello Fellow FLYERS,

Howdy
 
> I need to find a program that will reorganize (Defragment) my harddrives 
> before next week.  I have a project that will require more space than I 
> currently have available.  NOTE:  I have tried the command within the 
> FLYER but it doesn't seem to work.

Sorry, but the only way NewTek recommands defraging (or daoing anything
with) thieir drives is through the Flyer 00 that includes files copying to
Flyer drives (I once copyied 46 meg onto a Flyer drive and deleted it from
the Workbench.  Thos 46 megs of files took the other 500 megs of files with
them, including an animation that took a week to render...)  You could try
QuarterBack or BAD, but I wouldn't recommend it.  NewTek BBS says that
some peopl have gotten the Reorg button to work but many haven't and a few
have lost data.  My only recommendation would be to edit as much as you
can now, dump it to tape (make sure it's PERFECT), re-format your drives,
then edit the rest.  It sucks, but it works.  Ah, just wait until those
1-gig Flyer-speed Viper removable drives come out... won't that be nice...

> PS  Does anyone know when lightwave in focus is going to be shipping.  It 
> has been over a month and a half since I ordered it.

Ask Mark -- sorry, but I haven't had the cash to get a copy, so I dunno...

> PS2  Is there a way of recording a FLYER clip while a transition is "say" 
> halfway completed.
> example:
> 
>    ____________
>   |            |
>   |  video     |
>   |            |
>    ____________ < transition partially completed while FLYER records clip.
>   |            |
>   | framestore |
>    ____________

Not yet, but you wil eventaully be able to do it with two recored clips
and a wipe...

Until then, what  you have to is pretend you DON'T have a Flyer, do a
real A/B roll with VCRs and the Toaster, and digitize that. Not easy if
you only have 2 VCRs...

A more elegant solution is using TPaint's Cip2IFF or Clip2FStore (is there a
Clip2FStore?) on the clips., run them through LightWave using one
of the clip's IFFs as the  background image and the other clips as a
front-projected polygon (lum. 100%, Diff 0%) where the other half of the
wipe would be.

On the bright side, this looks really cool and you can do neat things like
color bordes, ripps and effect like that, but it'll take quite a while --
set it up for an overnight render or something -- if you have the drive
sapce for it...

All this stuff should eventaully be in a future Flyer version (NewTek BSS
Sysop Chuck Baker says), but maybe not by 4.1.  I mean that you'll
eventually be able to run two clips at once, pull the wipe 1/2 way down,
and have it stop there.  I don't know if it'll ever be possible to record
with a wipe pulled partway down -- I think it's one of those limitations
like min. 10-frame clips.


Hope this helps (a little, anyway...)

-- Joe


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On Thu, 29 Jun 1995, Joe Angell wrote:

> 
> > Wish list items!
> > Wouldn't it be nice if NewTek (Tim!) could produce a small interface to 
> > `dock' harddrives to camera bodies, that would then record using Flyer 
> > compression formats, and then be hooked back in to the Flyer system. The 

> 
> Good idea.  I've actaully used a 3/4" Camera before that had the VTR
> seperate from the camera -- they were both heavy as hell and had be be
> slung over your shoulder if you wanted to do any work.  The cable was

Ah, the good old days before BetaCam and such. What crews need is the
camera of their choice docked to media of their choice - Beta, SVHS
or direct to Harddisk as was shown at NAB. The concept of a compact, 
basic field editing system, as it appears the Flyer/DOS interface may 
become is great - but choice and portability at the camera end will win
over `Crews' who work in the field. No one is going back to camera units 
conected by umbilicle cables to recorder units - technology has moved 
past that point.

> about 6 ft. long -- useless for keeping the Camera and VTR apart during a
> shoot -- that cabe was as thick as your wrist.
> 
> So, the idea of NewTek making a system similar didn't shock me too much --
> why wait for digital cameras; just buy ANY and hook your Flyer into it! 
> what a great idea...  Now docking it directly to a camera would be perfect
> (too bad I can't afford one of those type... :) )

There will be some great `buys' in three chip camera heads, all 
we need from NewTek is a very basic interface - camera video in, 
digitised Flyer video out plus audio direct to a 9Gig drive. This would 
all be lashed to the camera head in place of the BetaSP, Hi8 or SVHS 
recorder now used, and all powered from the body belt. This is the 
direction the `big boys' are going in anyway, and we should be able 
follow with our Flyers. 

> > Thanks to the list - the Club Toaster CD is great!
> 
> Yeah, too bad mine was defective... DOH!
> -- Joe

Get it replaced Joe - it really is a bargin. I was looking at Composite 
Studio anyway and there is a good deal on the upgrade to the `Pro' 
version when it comes out!

Ian

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From: Joe Angell <jangell@risd.edu>
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> I have a Micropolis 1Gig Scssi Harddrive in my 40000..It crashed.

Whoa... And how is life in 2196 AD with your trusty A40000? :)

> Does
> anybody know of a way to recover the data on it. It actually comes up with a
> bad sector. This happened a couple of weeks ago and I turned the Toaster off
> and let sit overnite, and it came back. No it won't comeback.

It might have a bad block (like you said, bad sector).  What is your SCSI
controller?  GVP cards come with GVP Expert Prep software, which will flag
bad blocks, as does Quarterback (I think) and most other HD repair
programs.  Hope this helps...

-- Joe

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