From owner-toaster-l Mon May 1 10:26:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id JAA20278; Mon, 1 May 1995 09:23:21 -0700 Received: from LSS1-Server.Net.Tufts.EDU by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA19979; Mon, 1 May 1995 07:38:45 -0700 From: SScrivani@Infonet.Tufts.Edu Received: by LSS1-Server.Net.Tufts.EDU; Mon, 1 May 95 10:04:13 EDT Date: Mon, 1 May 95 9:57:01 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: re: ReadPICT Difficulties Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Allan, The only way I've ever successfully done this is to: Copy the pict file to the hard drive into the same draw as the ReadPict Program. Run Toaster, Start TPaint, the get back to the Workbench screen. Then run ReadPict and specify the pict file. When Readpict is done, you should see the image in TPaint image buffer. Then save it as a regular framestore or whatever. Hope this helps, Steve Scrivani From owner-toaster-l Mon May 1 18:14:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id RAA26777; Mon, 1 May 1995 17:22:16 -0700 Received: by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA07058; Mon, 1 May 1995 14:12:11 -0700 From: videoman Message-Id: <199505012112.OAA07058@netcom9.netcom.com> Subject: "warble with transitions" To: Toaster-l Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 14:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Cc: videoman () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1192 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list I had an odd problem at a studio yesterday: It seems that there is a "warbbling" effect when ever a transition (disolve,etc) is placed between clips.. the strange part is it only seems to happen when grabing off of a S-VHS or VHS not the BetaCam. Also if you put like every other image on a diffrent drive, that I was told helped... however images grabed from the beta tapes worked fine from the same drive.. but the vhs grabs just would not do transitions. Also the "credit" type scrolling page does not seem to work, it just hangs.. can you do a scroll overlay on the flyer? (I think it was version 4 software but I didn't check 4.02 ?) -- .__________________________________________________________________________. | -== When Dreams Become Reality ==- -= IM Design=- | |"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""|"""""""""""""""""""""|""""""""""""""""""""| | videoman@netcom.com | FTP: ftp.netcom.com | Video Production | | videoman@cyberspace.org | DIR: pub/videoman | 3D Graphics & DTP | | Mosaic Home Page: file://ftp.netcom.com/pub/vi/videoman/web/HOME.html | From owner-toaster-l Tue May 2 13:50:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA14725; Tue, 2 May 1995 13:06:56 -0700 Received: from grunt.ksu.ksu.edu by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA22535; Tue, 2 May 1995 11:41:22 -0700 Received: from vet.ksu.edu by grunt.ksu.ksu.edu (8.6.12/1.34) id SAA15083; Tue, 2 May 1995 18:38:20 GMT Received: from VETMAIL/TEMPQ by vet.ksu.edu (Mercury 1.13); Tue, 2 May 95 13:39:19 GMT+6 Received: from TEMPQ by VETMAIL (Mercury 1.13); Tue, 2 May 95 13:38:59 GMT+6 From: "Kent Nelson" Organization: KSU - Veterinary Medicine To: toaster-l@netcom.com Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 13:38:58 CST6CDT Subject: Question on Windoze Toaster Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-ID: <1E8C572ECF@vet.ksu.edu> Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Just a hypothetical question since I don't have a flyer yet. How have people been backing up their multiple gigs of video? Tape or CD? An even larger challenge will be with the toaster for windoze, since you record directly from your camera to the hard drives. What would be the best system to back up all of this footage since the "source footage" is on a hard drive? Thanks in advance, Kent Nelson Kansas State University (50 minutes from Toaster Mecca) From owner-toaster-l Tue May 2 22:49:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA15133; Tue, 2 May 1995 15:56:57 -0700 Received: from sage.acti.com by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA13468; Tue, 2 May 1995 15:49:04 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 95 15:45 PDT Message-ID: <9505021545.AA22976@sage.acti.com> Received: from acti.com by sage.acti.com; Tue, 2 May 95 15:45 PDT X-Sender: dan@sage X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lightwave-l@netcom.com From: dan@acti.com (Daniel J. McCoy) Subject: New Home For Mailing Lists Soon Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list A few months back, I mentioned I would probably move both the Lightwave and Video Toaster mailing lists to my primary internet provider. As it turns out, it would cost me $20 per month to run the mailing lists with digests there. Though with killing off my Netcom account, I'd have that money but my intentions were to find a home for the mailing lists with digest capabilities but also save me some money. :) I've found a place that will allow me to run as many mailing lists as I wish with digests and automatic archiving. Though there ARE bandwidth quotas, I should fall below those quotas. At any rate, I've had an account set up and will set up the mailing lists as soon as the account is enabled. When I'm happy with the way things go, I'll let everyone know. Until that time, render on! Dan (Who hopes Eudora formats a message before it sends it otherwise the above is one big mess... WHOOPS!) -- Daniel J. McCoy | djmccoy@primenet.com or netcom.com and dan@acti.com From owner-toaster-l Tue May 2 22:54:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA12605; Tue, 2 May 1995 15:44:42 -0700 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA11954; Tue, 2 May 1995 15:42:14 -0700 Received: from kelly.teleport.com (downinit@kelly.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA13663 for ; Tue, 2 May 1995 15:42:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 15:42:51 -0700 (PDT) From: DMetcalfe To: Kent Nelson cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Question on Windoze Toaster In-Reply-To: <1E8C572ECF@vet.ksu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Hmmm... Backing up large quantities of digital footage... The fastest, most reliable and most expensive is probably Exabyte 8mm Tape. A friend is backing up to 4mm DDS2 DAT from the Flyer software. He's had some problems with tapes that are unrecognizable by the system. The Flyer's current backup software is also very slow, Amiback is about 4 times as fast. 4mm DAT comes with a slew of precautions as to operating environment, temperature, humidity etc. But it's better than nothing! 4GB-8GB drives can be had wholesale for about $825, compared to the top of the line 8mm Exabytes at about $2500-3000 (maybe more, don't quote me). Consumables for Exabyte are cheaper though, you can use good quality Hi-8 video tape at about $10 per tape as opposed to $25 per tape for Data DAT. Darren Metcalfe "Had this been an actual emergency, downinit@teleport.com we would have fled in terror, and you would not have been informed" From owner-toaster-l Wed May 3 01:30:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA12930; Tue, 2 May 1995 19:17:58 -0700 Received: from clark.net by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA12665; Tue, 2 May 1995 19:16:44 -0700 Received: (jamesb@localhost) by clark.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA25303; Tue, 2 May 1995 22:17:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 22:17:14 -0400 (EDT) From: James Brooks To: Toaster List Subject: Switcher and programs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list At times when I am in the SWITCHER, I have programs that run in the background and sometimes when they are done they want to come to the front of the screen. Of course that can not happen when you are in the SWITCHER screen. At that point you do not have control of the SWITCHER any more. Question: Is there any way that I can get the SWITCHER screen to 'come back' for I can have control without rebooting? I have tried cntl-cntl alt-alt and that do not work. I have tried left amiga M key combos and I thing it switch programs but can not see them because the SWITCHER screen will not move. I guess this question has been ask before? What really spark me to asking this question is my terminal program was dialing out and trying to connect and it and there were busy signals. While I was playing with the Switcher the terminal program finally got a connection and the program took over and tried to pop the screen in front. Had to reboot! :-( Alex --------------------------------------------------------------- James "Alex" Brooks Amiga 4000/040/28MHz 20MB RAM Lightwave 3.5 / Imagine 3.0 VideoToaster 4000 3.1 Syquest 3.5" 270MB Bernoulli 90Pro NEC 3xp Triple Speed CDROM Warp Engine 4028 Epson ES-600C Scanner E-Mail: jamesb@clark.net -------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-toaster-l Wed May 3 03:35:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id DAA19028; Wed, 3 May 1995 03:14:45 -0700 Received: from mickey.risd.edu by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id DAA18765; Wed, 3 May 1995 03:09:01 -0700 Received: from minnie by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA13816; Wed, 3 May 1995 06:09:28 -0400 Received: by minnie.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA13589; Wed, 3 May 1995 06:10:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 06:02:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: Switcher and programs To: James Brooks Cc: Toaster List , LightWave Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list > At times when I am in the SWITCHER, I have programs that run in the > background and sometimes when they are done they want to come to the > front of the screen. Of course that can not happen when you are in the > SWITCHER screen. At that point you do not have control of the SWITCHER > any more. > > Question: Is there any way that I can get the SWITCHER screen to 'come > back' for I can have control without rebooting? I have tried cntl-cntl > alt-alt and that do not work. I have tried left amiga M key combos and I > thing it switch programs but can not see them because the SWITCHER screen > will not move. > > I guess this question has been ask before? Not that I've noticed... > What really spark me to asking this question is my terminal program was > dialing out and trying to connect and it and there were busy signals. > While I was playing with the Switcher the terminal program finally got a > connection and the program took over and tried to pop the screen in front. > Had to reboot! :-( I've had the EXACT same problem! I have Flyer .94 (and am praying that 4.03'll be here soon...) and the ctrl-ctrl-alt-alt has been replaced with the standard Amiga-M keys, but any prgrams like Term or ImageMaster R/t that pop the screen to front fail to -- The Toaster screen remains in from, so clicking does nothing, but te current program in use is not on the screen, so you can't use that, and Amiga-M/ctrl-ctrl-alt-alt doesn't work, so you have to reboot! I've learned to turn off Term when in the Switcher -- works fine in LW, though (more system compliant -- I think TPaint'll work, too, but nothing else I bet...) ALSO, the front-to-back screen gadgets will NOT switch between the Flyer switcher and the other Amiga screens -- only Amiga-M. AND I use an overscan WorkBench screen (656x240 or something), and when Amiga-M-ing from LW (or front-to-back gadgeting), I get the same screen, only flickering. It's like another interlaced screen has been dragged down part way, and flipping screens pops it up where I don't want it (does that make ANY sense? probably not... ) Well, you get the point. I'd like to know if these little things'll be fixed ever... -- Joe From owner-toaster-l Wed May 3 07:56:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA14438; Wed, 3 May 1995 07:24:31 -0700 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA14432; Wed, 3 May 1995 07:24:27 -0700 From: ALugones@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA065791081; Wed, 3 May 1995 10:24:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 10:24:41 -0400 Message-Id: <950503101755_105227975@aol.com> To: downinit@teleport.com, NELSON@vet.ksu.edu Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Question on Windoze Toaster Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Hmmm... Backing up large quantities of digital footage... The fastest, most reliable and most expensive is probably Exabyte 8mm Tape. A friend is backing up to 4mm DDS2 DAT from the Flyer software. He's had some problems with tapes that are unrecognizable by the system. The Flyer's current backup software is also very slow, Amiback is about 4 times as fast. -------------------------------------------------------- I've been having similar problems with my Flyer tape backup, and was hoping to find an alternative. Amiback sounds like the alternative, but do you require a scsi controller operating off the mother board for the tape drive to use Amiback? Or can you use any of the Flyer's scsi controllers? I've lost a lot of stuff using the Flyer's tape backup. Don't use it yet, at any cost. At least, don't use it with the O'Conner Python DAT Drive. That's what I'm using. From owner-toaster-l Wed May 3 10:31:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA14061; Wed, 3 May 1995 07:34:33 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com by mail3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id GAA12621; Wed, 3 May 1995 06:27:13 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA27079; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:27:28 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 3 May 95 08:27 CDT Received: by venus.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 3 May 95 08:27 CDT Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 08:27:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: Switcher and programs To: Joe Angell cc: James Brooks , Toaster List , LightWave Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Wed, 3 May 1995, Joe Angell wrote: > It's like another interlaced screen has been dragged down > part way, and flipping screens pops it up where I don't want it (does that > make ANY sense? probably not... ) Well, you get the point. I'd > like to know if these little things'll be fixed ever... You've guessed the deep secret. When you ctrl-ctrl-alt-alt, the Switcher screen is put away behind the Workbench, and shoved down below your viewing area. When you use the front/back gadget on the Workbench, the Switcher screen comes to the front, but it's still down out out sight. But because the "front-most" screen (Switcher) is an interlaced screen, the other visible screens will be interlaced by the OS as well. The new Toaster/Flyer 4.xx software uses Amiga/M to switch screens, but all that's changed is the hotkey. The result is still the same. Any program running in the background that issues a "screen to front" and "make it active" command will cause you to lose control of the Switcher. Now if only the mouse would go down that low.... ;-) ,-------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank MicroTech Solutions, Inc. / ( johnc@mcs.com Desktop Video Systems Dealer ( \ mtech1@mcs.com Store:708-851-3033 \ `-------------------------------------------------` From owner-toaster-l Wed May 3 13:53:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA08263; Wed, 3 May 1995 12:58:49 -0700 Received: from mail1.wolfe.net by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id IAA21256; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:30:38 -0700 Received: from gonzo.wolfe.net (momar@gonzo.wolfe.net [204.157.98.2]) by mail1.wolfe.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id IAA03212 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:31:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 08:31:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Carter To: toast Subject: 4.03 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list called Newtek yestrday they said 4.03 wouldbe shipping this week... Isn't that what they said last week? Jim From owner-toaster-l Wed May 3 14:49:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA11972; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:00:51 -0700 Received: from firewall.meaddata.com by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA11342; Wed, 3 May 1995 10:58:19 -0700 Received: from meaddata.com ([138.12.96.71]) by firewall.meaddata.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06730; Wed, 3 May 95 14:01:17 EDT Received: from msmsmtp by meaddata.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25601; Wed, 3 May 95 13:58:50 EDT Received: by msmsmtp with Microsoft Mail id <2FA7EE81@msmsmtp>; Wed, 03 May 95 13:58:41 PDT From: "Bankston, David A." To: ToasterList Cc: Lightwave Server Subject: Subscribe Date: Wed, 03 May 95 13:57:00 PDT Message-Id: <2FA7EE81@msmsmtp> Encoding: 3 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list subscribe ---------- From owner-toaster-l Wed May 3 19:03:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA28778; Wed, 3 May 1995 18:17:45 -0700 Received: from vnet.net by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA28764; Wed, 3 May 1995 18:17:39 -0700 Received: from jazzmin.vnet.net by vnet.net with SMTP id AA24572 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 May 1995 20:18:14 -0500 From: DON NELSON Received: by jazzmin.vnet.net (5.67b) id AA14115; Wed, 3 May 1995 20:18:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199505040118.AA14115@jazzmin.vnet.net> Subject: 4.03 (fwd) next week(Newtek) To: toaster-l@netcom.com Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 20:18:14 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 820 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Forwarded message: >From owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Wed May 3 16:25:38 1995 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 08:31:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Carter To: toast Subject: 4.03 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list >called Newtek yestrday they said 4.03 wouldbe shipping this week... >Isn't that what they said last week? >Jim I called today also about ver 4.03 and was told I'd have my upgrade by a week from friday for sure! Lets see that'll put it more than a month beyond NAB when they promised it was shipping. I've really given up believing anything Newtek says about timing, and am resignd to just bugging the H___ out of them. Don From owner-toaster-l Wed May 3 22:28:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id VAA27561; Wed, 3 May 1995 21:09:33 -0700 Received: from GAS.UUG.Arizona.EDU by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id VAA27499; Wed, 3 May 1995 21:09:18 -0700 Received: by helium.595..9505040407 (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00595; Wed, 3 May 1995 21:07:31 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 21:07:30 -0700 (MST) From: Ilana M Berkowitz To: Jim Carter Cc: toast Subject: Re: 4.03 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 187 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Jim- You may want to check the Newtek FTP site, 4.03 has been up since last Tuesday. I don't know why they are delaying the actual shipping. imb ps. the address is ftp.newtek.com From owner-toaster-l Thu May 4 00:33:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id UAA11542; Wed, 3 May 1995 20:36:38 -0700 Received: from bos1f.delphi.com by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id UAA11085; Wed, 3 May 1995 20:34:03 -0700 From: CJTSUI@delphi.com Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HQ31NBYN7K99MFZ9@delphi.com>; Wed, 03 May 1995 23:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 23:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: subscribe To: toaster-l@netcom.com Message-id: <01HQ31NBYWUQ99MFZ9@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"toaster-l@netcom.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list subscribe From owner-toaster-l Thu May 4 07:28:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA00894; Thu, 4 May 1995 07:15:29 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id VAA09304; Wed, 3 May 1995 21:01:34 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA15963; Wed, 3 May 1995 23:02:17 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 3 May 95 23:02 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 3 May 95 23:02 CDT Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 23:02:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: 4.03 To: Jim Carter cc: toast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Wed, 3 May 1995, Jim Carter wrote: > called Newtek yestrday they said 4.03 wouldbe shipping this week... > Isn't that what they said last week? Yes, it's shipping. We got ours last week, and a couple of our customers have remarked that they got theirs this week. ,-------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank MicroTech Solutions, Inc. / ( johnc@mcs.com Desktop Video Systems Dealer ( \ mtech1@mcs.com Store:708-851-3033 \ `-------------------------------------------------` From owner-toaster-l Thu May 4 13:33:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA04881; Thu, 4 May 1995 13:19:41 -0700 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA02402; Thu, 4 May 1995 11:58:07 -0700 Received: from kong.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id PAA25869; Thu, 4 May 1995 15:05:08 -0400 Received: by kong.syr.edu (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA18016; Thu, 4 May 95 15:04:55 EDT Message-Id: <9505041904.AA18016@kong.syr.edu> To: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Negative Black Date: Thu, 04 May 95 15:04:54 -0400 From: "Sean W." Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Has anyone had any luck getting Toaster Paint to generate negative black?? (using either 2.0 or 3.1 with the orginial Toaster card). I can generate negative black in our studio, and I can save that negative black as a framestore. However, if I load the negative black framestore in to Toaster Paint (to use it as a background)...TPaint bumps it back up to 7.5 IRE. Why do I want to do this?? Well I'm using an external switcher for all keying, and since the Toaster doesn't have key signal outputs, I need the part of my graphic that I want keyed out to be distinguishable from the rest of the graphic. On a related topic...has anyone tried that add-on card that someone makes which gives the Toaster key signal outputs?? ************************************************************************* Sean Procastination Wallace The less you know, Television/Electronic Engineering the more you think you know... scwallac@mailbox.syr.edu ************************************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Thu May 4 16:02:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA08606; Thu, 4 May 1995 14:42:05 -0700 Received: from sol by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA08551; Thu, 4 May 1995 14:41:52 -0700 Received: by sol (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA19225; Thu, 4 May 1995 15:40:52 +0600 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 15:40:52 +0600 (GMT) From: Fernando Polini To: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: FLYER-NT-PC Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 143 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list I've heard rumors that newtek is working on a NT or pC version of the FLYER. Does anybody knows anything about it? Answers welcome ! R.Nassar From owner-toaster-l Thu May 4 23:05:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id VAA27966; Thu, 4 May 1995 21:41:47 -0700 Received: from nile.intac.com by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id VAA27838; Thu, 4 May 1995 21:40:58 -0700 From: cfa@intac.com Received: from [198.6.114.75] (slip-ppp25.intac.com [198.6.114.75]) by nile.intac.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id AAA16441 for ; Fri, 5 May 1995 00:41:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 00:41:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199505050441.AAA16441@nile.intac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Using Old Wipes Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Is it possible to use effects from previous versions of the toaster on Toaster 4.0 (no Flyer, just original card)? I have bought, collected and created hundreds of croutons in the past few years and I would hope that they would still be of use since I have many favorites that Newtek never came out with. Thanks. Bruce B. Mittelman Creative Force Associates From owner-toaster-l Fri May 5 05:02:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA16818; Thu, 4 May 1995 15:16:11 -0700 Received: from rocky.Oswego.EDU by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA16578; Thu, 4 May 1995 15:14:16 -0700 Received: by oswego.Oswego.EDU (5.x/Osw4.1.35) id AA15296; Thu, 4 May 1995 18:14:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 18:14:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Geppner Reply-To: Eric Geppner Subject: Re: Negative Black To: "Sean W." Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com In-Reply-To: <9505041904.AA18016@kong.syr.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Thu, 4 May 1995, Sean W. wrote: > > Has anyone had any luck getting Toaster Paint to generate negative black?? > (using either 2.0 or 3.1 with the orginial Toaster card). > > I can generate negative black in our studio, and I can save that negative > black as a framestore. However, if I load the negative black framestore > in to Toaster Paint (to use it as a background)...TPaint bumps it > back up to 7.5 IRE. > > Why do I want to do this?? Well I'm using an external switcher for all > keying, and since the Toaster doesn't have key signal outputs, I need > the part of my graphic that I want keyed out to be distinguishable from > the rest of the graphic. > > On a related topic...has anyone tried that add-on card that someone makes > which gives the Toaster key signal outputs?? We have. The Breadboard (tm) by Prevue Technologies. Installation was a bear. The card itself doesn't fit in the 4000's card slot very well in fact it has popped out a couple of times. Some else I know has one and went so far as drill a couple of new holes in the pc-board to remount the BNC connectors. Actual connections to the Toaster consist of a pair of ribbon cables one of the headers is easy to reach, right on the edge of the Toaster card the other is actually buried between the two pieces of the card, forcing you to take the Toaster apart (I never did figure out where to put the spring back). As far as operation goes the card takes whatever is in the alpha buffer and uses that to generate the key cut signal. Thus you can only key key pages. The card also provides three channels of signal delay (though one of these is used for the key signal). The two free channels can be set to any of the inputs, key fill, or preview out. There are also dedicated program and preview outputs. All outputs are sent through a linear amp with adjustable gain. Because we have the studio cameras show up at both the Toaster and the EchoLab (MVS-5 composite) and because the EchoLab doesn't have loop outs on it's inputs the cameras go to the Toaster first. The problem is unless the Toaster is on the cameras' signals can't make it to the EchoLab. Of course this is not a problem in everyday operations as no one does anything without graphics even if it's just a slate. But if the Toaster ever went down, hard it would take the cameras with it. Oh, well thats what patch bays are for. We got our Breadboard from Industrial Color Labs in Fayetteville. I only mention it because you're from around here, though I imagine that if you have a Toaster and you're from Syracuse you know ICL. As far as your original question and the subject line goes, I think you are out of luck. Sorry. > > ************************************************************************* > Sean Procastination Wallace The less you know, > Television/Electronic Engineering the more you think you know... > scwallac@mailbox.syr.edu > ************************************************************************* > Eric Geppner Chief Engineer WTOP-TV10 .....sig under construction..... SUNY Oswego Oswego, NY 13126 From owner-toaster-l Fri May 5 07:36:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA07550; Fri, 5 May 1995 07:22:40 -0700 Received: from csuhayward.edu by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA22258; Thu, 4 May 1995 18:19:16 -0700 Received: from barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu by csuhayward.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/30Jan95-0101PM) id AA25416; Thu, 4 May 1995 18:23:33 -0700 Received: from BARNEY/SpoolDir by barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu (Mercury 1.20); 4 May 95 18:19:28 PST8PDT Received: from SpoolDir by BARNEY (Mercury 1.20); 4 May 95 18:19:18 PST8PDT From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III" Organization: CSU, Hayward To: toaster-l@netcom.com Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 18:19:09 PST8PDT Subject: Re: Negative Black Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <29908B71E5@barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu> Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list > From: "Sean W." > > Has anyone had any luck getting Toaster Paint to generate negative black?? > (using either 2.0 or 3.1 with the orginial Toaster card). yeah, try using the unused inputs. if i remember right, the black on the background buss is like 7-10 ire, the black in tpaint (0,0,0 values) is like 0 and the unused inputs are like super black. so this might mean unplugging from the card itself, not from the source... ======================================================================== Leo G. Divinagracia III --- __o ****************************> ---- _`\<,_ Atlanta '96 leo@barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu --- (*)/ (*) California State University, Hayward School of Business and Economics From owner-toaster-l Fri May 5 07:45:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA07488; Fri, 5 May 1995 07:21:44 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA05662; Thu, 4 May 1995 16:57:59 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA08286; Thu, 4 May 1995 18:58:24 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 4 May 95 18:58 CDT Received: by mars.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 4 May 95 18:58 CDT Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 18:58:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: Negative Black To: "Sean W." cc: toaster-l@netcom.com In-Reply-To: <9505041904.AA18016@kong.syr.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Thu, 4 May 1995, Sean W. wrote: > > Has anyone had any luck getting Toaster Paint to generate negative black?? > (using either 2.0 or 3.1 with the orginial Toaster card). > > I can generate negative black in our studio, and I can save that negative > black as a framestore. However, if I load the negative black framestore > in to Toaster Paint (to use it as a background)...TPaint bumps it > back up to 7.5 IRE. > If you want your graphics to be saved & loaded without filtering, save them as RGB instead of Framestores. You'll get back exactly what you saved, which oftentimes, is not proper levels for video. That's why they filter the framestores. ,-------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank MicroTech Solutions, Inc. / ( johnc@mcs.com Desktop Video Systems Dealer ( \ mtech1@mcs.com Store:708-851-3033 \ `-------------------------------------------------` From owner-toaster-l Fri May 5 17:01:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA13790; Fri, 5 May 1995 16:19:12 -0700 Received: from throm.jpl.nasa.gov by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id JAA26053; Fri, 5 May 1995 09:00:07 -0700 From: Enrique.A.Gamez@ccmail.jpl.nasa.gov Received: from danea-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov by throm.jpl.nasa.gov; Fri, 5 May 95 09:00:21 -0700 Received: by danea.jpl.nasa.gov (5.x/SMI-SVR4+DXRs2.3+GKEs1.0) id AA29868; Fri, 5 May 1995 09:00:20 -0700 Received: by danea from ccmail.Jpl.Nasa.Gov id <950505090019.CC5234400@CCMail.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> with CCTORFC Fri May 5 09:00:19 1995 Message-Id: <950505090019.CC5234400@CCMail.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> Date: 05 May 95 08:44:00 -11337 To: lightwave-l@netcom.com, toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: COMMODORE reborn! Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list ---------------------------- Forwarded with Changes --------------------------- From: info@ivory.educom.edu at Internet Date: 5/4/95 7:04PM *To: at Internet Subject: Edupage 5/4/95 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thought you'd all like to know AS SOON AS I FOUND OUT! (see article summary below) :-) -EG. ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Edupage 5/4/95 Author: info@ivory.educom.edu at Internet Date: 5/4/95 7:04 PM *************************************************************** Edupage, a summary of news items on information technology, is provided three times each week as a service by Educom -- a Washington, D.C.-based consortium of leading colleges and universities seeking to transform education through the use of information technology. *************************************************************** TOP STORIES TCI To Offer Online Access Computer Industy Urges Standard For Videodisks "Decency" Legislation Is Not The Answer Flat-Panel Display Project Gets Thumbs Down Digital Signature Gain Legitimacy ALSO Oracle Wins Another Interactive TV Deal Commodore Reborn MBone Covers Conference Funding For Public Broadcasting Microsoft Adds To Custom Service Operation IBM, NCR Win In RSI Trial Online Academic Publishing Venture Satellite-Delivered Digital Communications Services Mandatory Computers On Campus Spark Controversy Xerox Document Delivery CNN On Compuserve More Software On The Web COMMODORE REBORN The German company Escom AG which has about 1500 computer stores in Europe has paid $10 million for the rights to the name and intellectual property of Commodore Electronics Ltd., the company that developed Commodore and Amiga computers and went out of business last year. Escom says it plans to resume production of the entire Amiga product line and to make Amiga technology MS-DOS compatible. (Wall Street Journal 5/4/95 B7) Edupage is written by John Gehl (gehl@educom.edu) & Suzanne Douglas (douglas@educom.edu). Voice: 404-371-1853, Fax: 404-371-8057 *************************************************************** From owner-toaster-l Fri May 5 17:12:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA24326; Fri, 5 May 1995 14:45:55 -0700 Received: from mill2.millcomm.com by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA24064; Fri, 5 May 1995 14:44:42 -0700 Received: by mill2.millcomm.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #8) id m0s7VBg-000kd0C; Fri, 5 May 95 16:45 CDT Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 16:45:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Ed Smith Subject: Re: Question on Windoze Toaster To: Toaster-l@netcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list > The fastest, most reliable and most expensive is probably Exabyte 8mm > Tape. A friend is backing up to 4mm DDS2 DAT from the Flyer software. > He's had some problems with tapes that are unrecognizable by the system. > The Flyer's current backup software is also very slow, Amiback is about 4 > times as fast. > You have to make sure that you are taking compression into account. The tape drive manufacturers always quote speeds with maximum possible compression. The VTASC data is probably not compressible any further, so you have to look at speed w/o compression. Try copying one of your video clips to your Amiga hard drive, and backing up with AmiBack. This would be the only possible way of comparing. Also, be sure that you are not trying to back up to a tape drive that is attached to an Amiga SCSI controller. Always have your tape drive hooked to your Flyer. But, yeah, it is kind of slow, but that is really the fault of the tape drive, not the software or the SCSI controllers on the Flyer (which are VERY VERY fast for what they are.) Ed Smith Alpha Video > > Darren Metcalfe "Had this been an actual emergency, > downinit@teleport.com we would have fled in terror, > and you would not have been informed" > > From owner-toaster-l Fri May 5 19:13:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id RAA17292; Fri, 5 May 1995 17:17:47 -0700 Received: from sage.acti.com by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id RAA15244; Fri, 5 May 1995 17:05:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 May 95 17:01 PDT Message-ID: <9505051702.AA03873@sage.acti.com> Received: from acti.com by sage.acti.com; Fri, 5 May 95 17:01 PDT X-Sender: dan@sage X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 2327 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lightwave-l@netcom.com From: dan@acti.com (Daniel J. McCoy) Subject: Pack your bags! We're moving to our new home! Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list It's going to happen! The mailing lists are moving! The new home is set up and appears to be working fine. We can now have digests, message footers, and other goodies I can enable/disable at whim. But I've got a favor to ask. Rather than automatically subscribing everyone to the respective new home, I ask that everyone subscribe themselves to the new list of choice. This serves to purposes. First, you get to subscribe to your flavor of choice (digested or non-digested). Second, I now know what addresses truely are 100% working rather than making SWAGs. :) Which do you wish to subscribe to? That all depends on how much e-mail your mailbox can take. Some folk don't have large enough mailboxes to handle the message traffic. Perhaps you don't enjoy a flury of messages in your mailbox? In those cases, you can subscribe to the digested mailing list. No more than seven day's worth of normal mailing list messages are archived and sent out to you. Otherwise, you can subscribe to the normal mailing list and get messages as they come through. The process is painless and easy. :) To subscribe to the NEW home, send e-mail to one of the following addresses depending on if you wish to be on the normal or digested mailing list. Do NOT send to the address listed as the place to post messages though. In the body of the message, include the following: subscribe end can be an address other than the one you are posting from. Don't include the brackets. Remember, this is optional. LightWave3D Mailing List ------------------------ Normal Subscriptions: lightwave-request@webcom.com Digest Subscriptions: lightwave-digest-request@webcom.com To post messages, send e-mail to: lightwave@webcom.com Video Toaster/Flyer Mailing List -------------------------------- Normal Subscriptions: toaster-request@webcom.com Digest Subscriptions: toaster-digest-request@webcom.com To post messages, send e-mail to: toaster@webcom.com I figure two weeks is good enough before the mailing lists on Netcom are removed. It'll take a while before everyone knows where it is moving to. I'll be posting this information to the appropriate newsgroups tomorrow morning. That's it! Thanks a bunch! Dan -- Daniel J. McCoy | djmccoy@primenet.com or netcom.com and dan@acti.com From owner-toaster-l Sat May 6 15:49:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA10051; Sat, 6 May 1995 15:16:38 -0700 Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA10045; Sat, 6 May 1995 15:16:35 -0700 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id PAA20330; Sat, 6 May 1995 15:14:42 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 15:14:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199505062214.PAA20330@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 release To: toaster-l@netcom.com To: toaster@webcom.com To: chuck@newtek.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list I just downloaded and installed the Flyer 4.03 software update from Newtek's FTP site (ftp.newtek.com). It's also available from Newtek BBS at 913-271-9299 in the Flyer download area but you first need to be set for Flyer access by Chuck Baker the BBS sysop. This time, no new features but a lot of bugs fixed. Sequencing of clips involving a lots of effects and split edits seems to work flowlessly. The CG keys fade has been fixed, the backup program seems to work, etc.... I am thanksfull to Newtek for having reacted so fast to the users complains. The Flyer is still at an early stage but it is now stable and quite reliable for professional applications. Here are a few things I really hope they come out with fast to make the thing fly: 1) we need the program duration to display and update itself on the main project window or (and) in the clip process window to see how changes in edit points and new clips added affect the project pace. 2) When doing a split type edit with multiple video inserts on the audio portion, we need to have a way to scrub the audio of the clip you're cutting the cut-aways in. Also, the same thing for editing video-only clips on a sound track. 3) A hot key to capture the program time anywhere while playing back a project would be helpfull along with a time code calculator until Newtek comes out with a better EDL management formula. 4) TPaint bugs on the Flyer 2000 version need to be fixed ASAP, they are a lot them. Thierry. -- ************************************************************** Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ************************************************************** ---- End Forwarded Message -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Sat May 6 16:52:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA18221; Sat, 6 May 1995 16:44:57 -0700 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA18206; Sat, 6 May 1995 16:44:53 -0700 From: djmccoy (Daniel J. McCoy) Message-Id: <199505062344.QAA18206@netcom17.netcom.com> Subject: Reminder - Moving to New Home To: Toaster-l@netcom.com Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 16:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Lightwave-l@netcom.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1653 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Just a reminder to those still posting to this mailing list and those that have joined since I posted the messages yesterday. Both the LightWave and Video Toaster/Flyer mailing lists are moving to a new home. If you have already subscribed to the mailing lists at the new location, send this message to the appropriate trash can. :) If you haven't subscribed to the mailing lists at their new home, I suggest you do. The subscription databases won't be moving. It's a good way to flush out bad addresses. :) Here's the subscription information: Send e-mail to the address listed below depending on which version of the list you wish to received. In the body of the message, include: subscribe end is completely optional and can be used to subscribe an address other than the one you are posting from. Don't include the brackets. LightWave3D Mailing List ------------------------ Non-Digest - lightwave-request@webcom.com Digest - lightwave-digest-request@webcom.com Video Toaster/Flyer Mailing List -------------------------------- Non-Digest - toaster-request@webcom.com Digest - toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Those of you unsure which to subscribe to, the non-digest mailing list sends you each message as they are received and processed. In digest form, these messages are kept for up to 7 days and THEN sent to you in one large message. If your mailbox has quotas, the digest mailing list may be the way to go. Thanks and have fun, Dan -- Daniel J. McCoy BIX: dmccoy Internet : djmccoy@primenet.com, djmccoy@netcom.com, dan@acti.com From owner-toaster-l Sat May 6 20:39:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA06593; Sat, 6 May 1995 18:56:08 -0700 Received: from gateway.ecn.com by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA06516; Sat, 6 May 1995 18:55:20 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 19:08:20 -47900 From: Subject: Re: FLYER-NT-PC To: Fernando Polini cc: toaster-l@netcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Thu, 4 May 1995, Fernando Polini wrote: > I've heard rumors that newtek is working on a NT or pC version of the > FLYER. > Does anybody knows anything about it? > Answers welcome ! > R.Nassar > > Yeah, It's called Video Toaster for Windows. Available 3Q95 for around $10K without the computer. It's an external box that connects to the host computer via SCSI-2. Get a copy of the latest Video Toaster User there are in depth articles on it. Cheers, Stan Shumlick 2 Tall Video From owner-toaster-l Sat May 6 23:11:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id VAA17625; Sat, 6 May 1995 21:53:47 -0700 Received: from bigdog.engr.arizona.edu by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id VAA17530; Sat, 6 May 1995 21:53:19 -0700 Received: by bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06238; Sat, 6 May 1995 21:55:00 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 21:54:59 -0700 (MST) From: Eric Case To: toaster-l@netcom.com Cc: chuck@newtek.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 release In-Reply-To: <199505062214.PAA20330@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Sat, 6 May 1995, Thierry Humeau wrote: [snip] > > Here are a few things I really hope they come out with fast to make the > thing fly: [snip] One thing I would like to see is a way to change the default length of FrameStores, or some way to set the length of many (from 10 to 200) FrameStores at once. Also anybody know other tips like the "(Alt)(Alt)~" key sequence? Thanks, -Eric [snip] > > > Thierry. > > -- > ******************************************************* > Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 > Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 > Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com > ******************************************************* > > Eric Case INTERNET: eric@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu Partner The CPDI Group Phn. (602) 327-1020 4067 E. Grant Rd. STE 203 Fax. (602) 327-1023 Tucson, AZ 85712 From owner-toaster-l Sun May 7 02:24:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id AAA06871; Sun, 7 May 1995 00:38:40 -0700 Received: from mickey.risd.edu by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id AAA06836; Sun, 7 May 1995 00:38:24 -0700 Received: from minnie by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA18201; Sun, 7 May 1995 03:38:57 -0400 Received: by minnie.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA15991; Sun, 7 May 1995 03:40:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 03:38:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 release To: Eric Case Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com, chuck@newtek.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list > Also anybody know other tips like the "(Alt)(Alt)~" key sequence? Ummm, what's (Alt)(Alt)~ do? I tried it on .94 Flyer, and it brought up the clip editor, but so does just ~ (re: shift-') Thanx... -- Joe ...who's egearly awaiting 4.03 so he can do some buggy TPaint work... From owner-toaster-l Sun May 7 08:09:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id GAA15787; Sun, 7 May 1995 06:34:50 -0700 Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id GAA15768; Sun, 7 May 1995 06:34:41 -0700 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id GAA17566; Sun, 7 May 1995 06:33:59 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 06:33:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199505071333.GAA17566@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Re: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 release To: Joe Angell To: toaster-l@netcom.com To: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list You wrote: > > >> Also anybody know other tips like the "(Alt)(Alt)~" key sequence? > >Ummm, what's (Alt)(Alt)~ do? I tried it on .94 Flyer, and it brought up This only work with 4.xx versions of the Flyer software. Using this key combination opens up the "new clip" window with a new "high quality 5" digitizing mode available which take care of almost all visible artifacts (mostly moiree and picture softening/flickering)that were obvious using the "standard" quality settings. When using this new mode, the storage requirements increase dramatically from 6min/Gig to 3 or 4 min/Gig. Also, the data transfer rate equals or goes beyond 4 Mb/sec which very few drives can sustain all the way accross their disks surfaces. If this is the case with your drives, your digitizing session will be occasionally aborted by "dropped frames messages". Using this new digitizing mode, I still encontered problems with the picture quality dropping. This happen on medium/wide shots with people standing in fromt of a brick wall with fine texture. For some reason, VTASC seems to have difficulties with this kind of pictures. Also, I am shooting with high-end Betacam cameras and because of the bandwith of this format and the resolution of the cameras and VTR's, I may be more prone to this kind of problems than people using HI-8 or S-VHS. Still, Flyer 4.03 doens't quite match the image quality of a $50,000 Sony D2 mahine yet ..... Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Sun May 7 09:27:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id JAA03133; Sun, 7 May 1995 09:19:30 -0700 Received: from mail1.wolfe.net by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id WAA20439; Sat, 6 May 1995 22:15:25 -0700 Received: from gonzo.wolfe.net (momar@gonzo.wolfe.net [204.157.98.2]) by mail1.wolfe.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA05800 for ; Sat, 6 May 1995 22:16:45 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 22:16:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Carter To: toast Subject: Got 4.03 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Thanks to all who told me to ftp the 4.03 update from newtek. I had to learn how to ftp and use the dms but it was worth it seems to work better in most areas I've tried so far except paint it still sucks but we're getting there. I had a nice editing session today, looked and sounded really good. What about Svhs in is that implemented yet? Jim From owner-toaster-l Sun May 7 13:00:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA04864; Sun, 7 May 1995 10:38:17 -0700 Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA04780; Sun, 7 May 1995 10:37:49 -0700 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id KAA25173; Sun, 7 May 1995 10:36:41 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 10:36:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199505071736.KAA25173@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Re: Breaking a Flyer clip? To: Steve Herring Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list You wrote: > >Maybe someone can explain this, since I'm obviously missing something. >What do you have to do in T-Paint to break a Flyer clip into individual >frames? You use TPaint process screen to load a Flyer clip and define its range of frames to process. >And what is the benefit of loading individual fields instead of >a whole frame? This I don't know exactly but I would say that for slomo processing, using fields instead of frames give you a smoother motion. When doing rotoscoping, you probably want to paint on frames instead of fields for time saving purposes (e.i. one frame = two fields). Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Sun May 7 13:26:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA00467; Sun, 7 May 1995 11:57:03 -0700 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA00453; Sun, 7 May 1995 11:56:51 -0700 From: RFCoates@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA010233028; Sun, 7 May 1995 14:57:08 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 14:57:08 -0400 Message-Id: <950507145707_110095043@aol.com> To: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 release Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list >One thing I would like to see is a way to change the default length of >FrameStores, or some way to set the length of many (from 10 to 200) >FrameStores at once. > Also anybody know other tips like the "(Alt)(Alt)~" key sequence? >Thanks, >-Eric Yeah, I'd like to see the ability to adjust a number of effects (like fades) at the same time. Jeff at Visual Inspirations (makers of Batch Factory, Transporter, etc.) is working on a batch program that will fill some of these gaps. In the meantime, here's my work around. 1) Select all the croutons you want to adjust the times on. 2) Click on the control button 3) Click in the time window --now be careful not to move the mouse-- 4) Use the keypad to change the time and hit return 5) The Flyer will automatically open the control window for the next selected crouton 6) Hit the Left Amiga key and Left Alt key at the same time (performs the same as a left mouse click) the cursor will now be in the same place in the time code window as when you click on the first crouton 5) Enter time change with keyboard and hit return. Continue until all frames are adjusted. Not as good as a adjust one adjust all-selected function. But it does save quite a bit of mouseing around and you don't have to leave the keyboard. At least it speeds things up and has the added advantage of being sure you adjusted all the croutons you intended. (or maybe you don't get lost when scrolling down in the project window like I do ) Robert Coates From owner-toaster-l Sun May 7 21:31:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id VAA28021; Sun, 7 May 1995 21:05:00 -0700 Received: from mailhost.primenet.com by mail3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA05317; Sun, 7 May 1995 14:33:08 -0700 Received: from mcbones (ip061.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.61]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-h2.0) with SMTP id OAA01764; Sun, 7 May 1995 14:33:52 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 14:33:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199505072133.OAA01764@mailhost.primenet.com> X-Sender: djmccoy@smtp.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lightwave-l@netcom.com From: djmccoy@PrimeNet.Com (Daniel J. McCoy) Subject: Mailing List Donations - A Response Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list I want to thank everyone for their volunteering to help pay for the mailing lists. It's greatly appreciated. I've been silent on this matter and have been thinking about it for the past few days. It's has been difficult coming up with a decision on how to handle this. Especially when I didn't volunteer to run the mailing lists for anything outside of helping keep the great information flowing and hope to see more wonderful objects, image maps, tips and more appear on FTP sites and available to all. Though I hadn't anticipated the workload of maintaining the lists, I don't reqret volunteering. Now that the mailing lists have been moved to Webcom and the message archives sit on Tomahawk (thanks Keith!), my outlay for the lists is considerably less. Couple that with my eventual Netcom and BIX account closures and I've got no worries. I HAVE gotten some benefits though! I want to thank Michael Meshew for sending me LightRom Vol 1 a while back. I STILL haven't looked at all of it! :) I think I feel much more comfortable sharing though. Perhaps as payback, that more objects, textures, plug-ins, tutorials and more could be made publically available no matter how small. I have just as much fun as everyone else checking out the methods used for object and scene creation. It shows just how work I have in store for me! :) I'm still unsure but at the moment, thanks everyone! I'll keep it in mind but in the meantime, keep on enjoying the lists. Dan From owner-toaster-l Sun May 7 21:31:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id VAA27824; Sun, 7 May 1995 21:02:59 -0700 Received: from bigdog.engr.arizona.edu by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA18164; Sun, 7 May 1995 10:03:47 -0700 Received: by bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03667; Sun, 7 May 1995 10:05:30 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 10:05:29 -0700 (MST) From: Eric Case To: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 release In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Sun, 7 May 1995, Joe Angell wrote: > > > Also anybody know other tips like the "(Alt)(Alt)~" key sequence? > > Ummm, what's (Alt)(Alt)~ do? I tried it on .94 Flyer, and it brought up > the clip editor, but so does just ~ (re: shift-') Thanx... It should bring up a record panel with 2 new record modes, but I've not tryed it yet as I just found out about it. :) -Eric > > -- Joe > > ...who's egearly awaiting 4.03 so he can do some buggy TPaint work... > > > Eric Case INTERNET: eric@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu From owner-toaster-l Mon May 8 08:47:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id IAA22229; Mon, 8 May 1995 08:30:11 -0700 Received: from pine.liii.com by mail3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id GAA14113; Mon, 8 May 1995 06:48:07 -0700 Received: from rowan.liii.com by pine.liii.com with SMTP (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA20905; Mon, 8 May 1995 09:52:08 -0400 Received: by rowan.liii.com (5.67b/15Feb94-Long Island Information) id AA19076; Mon, 8 May 1995 09:49:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 09:49:19 -0400 (EDT) From: louie To: "Daniel J. McCoy" Cc: lightwave-l@netcom.com, toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mailing List Donations - A Response In-Reply-To: <199505072133.OAA01764@mailhost.primenet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list As a relatively new subscribe would it be possible to post the ftp address releated to this group? If not to much trouble.... Thanks, Louie From owner-toaster-l Mon May 8 08:57:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id IAA25131; Mon, 8 May 1995 08:49:02 -0700 Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id IAA23508; Mon, 8 May 1995 08:38:24 -0700 From: djmccoy (Daniel J. McCoy) Message-Id: <199505081538.IAA23508@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: Reminder - We have a new home! To: lightwave-l@netcom.com Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 08:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1960 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Just a reminder to those still posting to this mailing list and those that have joined since I posted the messages a few days ago. Both the LightWave and Video Toaster/Flyer mailing lists are moving to a new home. If you have already subscribed to the mailing lists at the new location, send this message to the appropriate trash can. :) If you haven't subscribed to the mailing lists at their new home, I suggest you do. The subscription databases won't be moving. It's a good way to flush out bad addresses. :) Here's the subscription information: Send e-mail to the address listed below depending on which version of the list you wish to received. In the body of the message, include: subscribe end is completely optional and can be used to subscribe an address other than the one you are posting from. Don't include the brackets. LightWave3D Mailing List ------------------------ Non-Digest - lightwave-request@webcom.com Digest - lightwave-digest-request@webcom.com Video Toaster/Flyer Mailing List -------------------------------- Non-Digest - toaster-request@webcom.com Digest - toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Those of you unsure which to subscribe to, the non-digest mailing list sends you each message as they are received and processed. In digest form, these messages are kept for up to 7 days and THEN sent to you in one large message. If your mailbox has quotas, the digest mailing list may be the way to go. Please direct all non-subscription postings to either toaster@webcom.com or lightwave@webcom.com. You may also wish to unsubscribe from the mailing lists on Netcom by sending e-mail to "listserv@netcom.com". In the body of the message, include "unsubscribe lightwave-l" or "unsubscribe toaster-l". Thanks and have fun, Dan -- Daniel J. McCoy BIX: dmccoy Internet : djmccoy@primenet.com, djmccoy@netcom.com, dan@acti.com From owner-toaster-l Tue May 9 05:40:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA15522; Mon, 8 May 1995 23:09:14 -0700 Received: from cello.QNET.COM by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA15444; Mon, 8 May 1995 23:08:41 -0700 Received: by cello.QNET.COM (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0s8iVe-0003xBC; Mon, 8 May 95 23:11 PDT Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 23:11:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Manuel Coats X-Sender: mcoats@cello To: "Daniel J. McCoy" cc: lightwave-l@netcom.com, toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Reminder - We have a new home! In-Reply-To: <199505081538.IAA23508@netcom22.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Mon, 8 May 1995, Daniel J. McCoy wrote: > Just a reminder to those still posting to this mailing list and those that > have joined since I posted the messages a few days ago. Both the LightWave > and Video Toaster/Flyer mailing lists are moving to a new home. How long will the old mailing lists be active for? Once they aren't, if somebody tries to subscribe to them, will they get a message stating that the mailing lists have changed locations? Manny From owner-toaster-l Tue May 9 08:24:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id IAA27229; Tue, 9 May 1995 08:03:50 -0700 Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA26244; Tue, 9 May 1995 07:53:18 -0700 From: djmccoy (Daniel J. McCoy) Message-Id: <199505091453.HAA26244@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: Daily Reminder - We're Moving! To: lightwave-l@netcom.com Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 07:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2119 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Just a reminder to those still posting to this mailing list and those that have joined since I posted the messages yesterday. Both the LightWave and Video Toaster/Flyer mailing lists are moving to a new home. If you have already subscribed to the mailing lists at the new location, send this message to the appropriate trash can. :) If you haven't subscribed to the mailing lists at their new home, I suggest you do. The subscription databases won't be moving. It's a good way to flush out bad addresses. :) Here's the subscription information: Send e-mail to the address listed below depending on which version of the list you wish to received. In the body of the message, include: subscribe end is completely optional and can be used to subscribe an address other than the one you are posting from. Don't include the brackets. LightWave3D Mailing List ------------------------ Non-Digest - lightwave-request@webcom.com Digest - lightwave-digest-request@webcom.com Video Toaster/Flyer Mailing List -------------------------------- Non-Digest - toaster-request@webcom.com Digest - toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Those of you unsure which to subscribe to, the non-digest mailing list sends you each message as they are received and processed. In digest form, these messages are kept for up to 7 days and THEN sent to you in one large message. If your mailbox has quotas, the digest mailing list may be the way to go. Thanks and have fun, Dan PS - Please post all new messages to the new mailing list addresses (lightwave@webcom.com or toaster@webcom.com). If you wish to no receive these reminder posts, please unsubscribe from the lists by sending e-mail to listserv@netcom.com. In the body of the message, include: unsubscribe toaster-l or unsubscribe lightwave-l If you have a different address, include that after "toaster-l" or "lightwave-l". I give the mailing lists on Netcom another week or so. -- Daniel J. McCoy BIX: dmccoy Internet : djmccoy@primenet.com, djmccoy@netcom.com, dan@acti.com