From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sat May 6 15:14:56 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA025238496; Sat, 6 May 1995 15:14:56 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA025168492; Sat, 6 May 1995 15:14:52 -0700 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id PAA20330; Sat, 6 May 1995 15:14:42 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 15:14:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199505062214.PAA20330@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 release To: toaster-l@netcom.com To: toaster@webcom.com To: chuck@newtek.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk I just downloaded and installed the Flyer 4.03 software update from Newtek's FTP site (ftp.newtek.com). It's also available from Newtek BBS at 913-271-9299 in the Flyer download area but you first need to be set for Flyer access by Chuck Baker the BBS sysop. This time, no new features but a lot of bugs fixed. Sequencing of clips involving a lots of effects and split edits seems to work flowlessly. The CG keys fade has been fixed, the backup program seems to work, etc.... I am thanksfull to Newtek for having reacted so fast to the users complains. The Flyer is still at an early stage but it is now stable and quite reliable for professional applications. Here are a few things I really hope they come out with fast to make the thing fly: 1) we need the program duration to display and update itself on the main project window or (and) in the clip process window to see how changes in edit points and new clips added affect the project pace. 2) When doing a split type edit with multiple video inserts on the audio portion, we need to have a way to scrub the audio of the clip you're cutting the cut-aways in. Also, the same thing for editing video-only clips on a sound track. 3) A hot key to capture the program time anywhere while playing back a project would be helpfull along with a time code calculator until Newtek comes out with a better EDL management formula. 4) TPaint bugs on the Flyer 2000 version need to be fixed ASAP, they are a lot them. Thierry. -- ************************************************************** Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ************************************************************** ---- End Forwarded Message -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sun May 7 06:32:55 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA250923575; Sun, 7 May 1995 06:32:55 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com ([199.182.120.9]) by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA250863572; Sun, 7 May 1995 06:32:52 -0700 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id GAA17566; Sun, 7 May 1995 06:33:59 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 06:33:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199505071333.GAA17566@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Re: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 release To: Joe Angell To: toaster-l@netcom.com To: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > > >> Also anybody know other tips like the "(Alt)(Alt)~" key sequence? > >Ummm, what's (Alt)(Alt)~ do? I tried it on .94 Flyer, and it brought up This only work with 4.xx versions of the Flyer software. Using this key combination opens up the "new clip" window with a new "high quality 5" digitizing mode available which take care of almost all visible artifacts (mostly moiree and picture softening/flickering)that were obvious using the "standard" quality settings. When using this new mode, the storage requirements increase dramatically from 6min/Gig to 3 or 4 min/Gig. Also, the data transfer rate equals or goes beyond 4 Mb/sec which very few drives can sustain all the way accross their disks surfaces. If this is the case with your drives, your digitizing session will be occasionally aborted by "dropped frames messages". Using this new digitizing mode, I still encontered problems with the picture quality dropping. This happen on medium/wide shots with people standing in fromt of a brick wall with fine texture. For some reason, VTASC seems to have difficulties with this kind of pictures. Also, I am shooting with high-end Betacam cameras and because of the bandwith of this format and the resolution of the cameras and VTR's, I may be more prone to this kind of problems than people using HI-8 or S-VHS. Still, Flyer 4.03 doens't quite match the image quality of a $50,000 Sony D2 mahine yet ..... Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sun May 7 06:59:14 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA255365154; Sun, 7 May 1995 06:59:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA255305151; Sun, 7 May 1995 06:59:11 -0700 Received: from linda.teleport.com (mhatter@linda.teleport.com [192.108.254.12]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA03577 for ; Sun, 7 May 1995 07:01:48 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 06:55:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Herring To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Breaking a Flyer clip? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Maybe someone can explain this, since I'm obviously missing something. What do you have to do in T-Paint to break a Flyer clip into individual frames? And what is the benefit of loading individual fields instead of a whole frame? Thanks! -Steve -- Steve Herring posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sun May 7 12:20:06 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA044204406; Sun, 7 May 1995 12:20:06 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA044144403; Sun, 7 May 1995 12:20:03 -0700 Received: from kelly.teleport.com (mhatter@kelly.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA01934 for ; Sun, 7 May 1995 11:31:59 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 12:16:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Herring To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Breaking a Flyer clip? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 7 May 1995, Eric Case wrote: > You might do this so you can take the clip into a program out side of the > Toaster/Flyer ie Morph Plus, ADPro, ImageFX, ans so on. You would want to > do this on a field by field bases if you had a lot of motion in the > frame, or will be add a lot of motion to the frame. Hope this helps. Ok, I understand the reasoning behind using field rendering in Lightwave, but how would you know WHAT to composite in each field of a frame? You would have to have another source already broken down into fields as well in order to composite the two fields together correctly. Maybe I'm not explaining this like I want, but it's confusing. Let's say I want to break a flyer clip down into frames or fields so that I can do something like slow-motion processing to the video. Then I want to put all the frames back together again. If you're working with fields, how do you know what to do with each field (ie. if you treat each field like you would a frame, it's not going to look right)? Thanks for the help! -Steve -- Steve Herring posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sun May 7 14:21:23 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA079001683; Sun, 7 May 1995 14:21:23 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 14:21:23 -0700 From: owner-toaster@webcom.com Return-Path: Apparently-To: toaster-outgoing@webcom.com >From djmccoy@primenet.com Sun May 7 14:15:43 1995 Received: from mailhost.primenet.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA075841341; Sun, 7 May 1995 14:15:41 -0700 Received: from mcbones (ip061.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.61]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-h2.0) with SMTP id OAA29277; Sun, 7 May 1995 14:18:16 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 14:18:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199505072118.OAA29277@mailhost.primenet.com> X-Sender: djmccoy@smtp.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lightwave@webcom.com From: djmccoy@primenet.com (Daniel J. McCoy) Subject: Mailing List Donations - A Response Cc: lightwave-l@webcom.com, toaster@webcom.com, toaster-l@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk I want to thank everyone for their volunteering to help pay for the mailing lists. It's greatly appreciated. I've been silent on this matter and have been thinking about it for the past few days. It's has been difficult coming up with a decision on how to handle this. Especially when I didn't volunteer to run the mailing lists for anything outside of helping keep the great information flowing and hope to see more wonderful objects, image maps, tips and more appear on FTP sites and available to all. Though I hadn't anticipated the workload of maintaining the lists, I don't reqret volunteering. Now that the mailing lists have been moved to Webcom and the message archives sit on Tomahawk (thanks Keith!), my outlay for the lists is considerably less. Couple that with my eventual Netcom and BIX account closures and I've got no worries. I HAVE gotten some benefits though! I want to thank Michael Meshew for sending me LightRom Vol 1 a while back. I STILL haven't looked at all of it! :) I think I feel much more comfortable sharing though. Perhaps as payback, that more objects, textures, plug-ins, tutorials and more could be made publically available no matter how small. I have just as much fun as everyone else checking out the methods used for object and scene creation. It shows just how work I have in store for me! :) I'm still unsure but at the moment, thanks everyone! I'll keep it in mind but in the meantime, keep on enjoying the lists. Dan -- djmccoy@primenet.com (Daniel J. McCoy) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sun May 7 21:45:20 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA191118320; Sun, 7 May 1995 21:45:20 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.primenet.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA191058316; Sun, 7 May 1995 21:45:16 -0700 Received: from mcbones (ip042.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.42]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-h2.0) with SMTP id VAA29497; Sun, 7 May 1995 21:47:51 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 21:47:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199505080447.VAA29497@mailhost.primenet.com> X-Sender: djmccoy@smtp.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lightwave@webcom.com From: djmccoy@primenet.com (Daniel J. McCoy) Subject: Some Tweeking Required Cc: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Looks like I had some settings dealing with the digests a WEE bit on the low side so the first digest went out already for the LightWave3D mailing list. Expect some tweeking to be done to both lists as I fine tune the configuration. :) At least things are configurable now. :) Take care, Dan -- Daniel J. McCoy - djmccoy@primenet.com or dan@acti.com -- djmccoy@primenet.com (Daniel J. McCoy) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 8 05:14:13 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA215415252; Mon, 8 May 1995 05:14:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ra.isisnet.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA215305248; Mon, 8 May 1995 05:14:08 -0700 Received: from [199.45.83.53] by ra.isisnet.com (8.6.9/SMI-SVR4) id JAA12116; Mon, 8 May 1995 09:14:08 -0300 Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 09:14:08 -0300 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@webcom.com From: animax@ra.isisnet.com (Andre Perusse) Subject: ToasterPaint to Switcher Crashes Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone. I've had Flyer system .94, 4.02, and 4.03 on my system. All of them exhibited the same annoying problem: whenever I am in ToasterPaint and I want to go back to the Switcher (by clicking on the Switcher button), my machine hangs. It gets rid of the ToasterPaint screen, but the Swither never comes up. All I get is the grey screen with no buttons on it. Since I haven't seen anyone else report a problem like this, I assume it is indigenous to my system. Does anyone have any ideas? I have a 4000 Warped to 40MHz with a 32MB SIMM if that means anything. Thanks in advance for any replies. --------------------------------------------------------------------- /\ndre Perusse- animax@ra.isisnet.com | A4000 Toaster-Flyer w/Emplant ANIMAX MULTIMEDIA - Computer Animation & Multimedia Authoring Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada Disclaimer: My Opinions do not necessarily reflect those of ANIMAX. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- animax@ra.isisnet.com (Andre Perusse) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 8 10:14:52 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA035813292; Mon, 8 May 1995 10:14:52 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from rational.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA035733285; Mon, 8 May 1995 10:14:45 -0700 Received: from igor.Rational.COM (igor.rational.com [89.64.2.102]) by rational.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA08552 for ; Mon, 8 May 1995 10:18:03 -0700 Received: from rational.com (ftp) by igor.Rational.COM (4.1/smh-1.0) id AA11210; Mon, 8 May 95 10:17:20 PDT Received: from picard.vwo.verdix.com (picard.rational.com [192.41.137.139]) by rational.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA08549 for <@igor.rational.com:toaster@webcom.com>; Mon, 8 May 1995 10:17:59 -0700 Received: by picard.vwo.verdix.com (920330.SGI/kato_sgi.941202) for @igor.rational.com:toaster@webcom.com id AA29105; Mon, 8 May 95 10:13:35 -0700 From: brianr@rational.com (Brian Roberts) Message-Id: <9505081713.AA29105@picard.vwo.verdix.com> Subject: CG Help? To: toaster@webcom.com Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 10:13:34 -0800 (PDT) Reminder: WARNING! Contents MAY be confidential! X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1051 Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Flyer Users, I had my dealer upgrade my Flyer system to 4.03 (from 3.94). The list of now-working features for 4.03 included CG Scroll pages. However, that doesn't seem to be the case (for me, at least). Perhaps someone could tell me what I am doing wrong. Here is the scenario: I created a short scroll page in CG and saved it. In a clean project view, I put two things: A video clip (which plays from start to finish just fine when used alone) and the scroll page, in that order. I set the start time for the scroll page to 15 seconds (00:00:15:00). When I press play, the video clip begins playing and around the time I think the scroll should start, the machine crashes. Very repeatable - happens every time. The manual is of no help - for CG scroll/crawl pages it refers to a pop-up menu to load CG pages, which I can't find anywhere. Pertinent (?) info: A4000 040/25Mhz 18 MB RAM 2 4GB video drives 1 2GB audio drive (I thought this forum may be faster than dealing with NewTek Tech Support...) Thanks in advance, -=b=- -- brianr@Rational.COM (Brian Roberts) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 8 11:49:35 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA088008975; Mon, 8 May 1995 11:49:35 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ra.isisnet.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA087898963; Mon, 8 May 1995 11:49:23 -0700 Received: from [199.45.83.79] by ra.isisnet.com (8.6.9/SMI-SVR4) id OAA04864; Mon, 8 May 1995 14:47:44 -0300 Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 14:47:44 -0300 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@webcom.com From: animax@ra.isisnet.com (Andre Perusse) Subject: Re: ToasterPaint to Switcher Crashes Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk >Hello everyone. > >I've had Flyer system .94, 4.02, and 4.03 on my system. All of them >exhibited the same annoying problem: whenever I am in ToasterPaint and I >want to go back to the Switcher (by clicking on the Switcher button), my >machine hangs. It gets rid of the ToasterPaint screen, but the Swither >never comes up. All I get is the grey screen with no buttons on it. A half-hour of trial & error revealed the PD program S-Menu to be the culprit. If anyone has this program running, you might want to have a look at this conflict. --------------------------------------------------------------------- /\ndre Perusse- animax@ra.isisnet.com | A4000 Toaster-Flyer w/Emplant ANIMAX MULTIMEDIA - Computer Animation & Multimedia Authoring Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada Disclaimer: My Opinions do not necessarily reflect those of ANIMAX. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- animax@ra.isisnet.com (Andre Perusse) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 8 16:59:23 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA243327563; Mon, 8 May 1995 16:59:23 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kitten.mcs.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA242957545; Mon, 8 May 1995 16:59:05 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA25928; Mon, 8 May 1995 19:01:41 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 8 May 95 18:41 CDT Received: by mars.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 8 May 95 18:41 CDT Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 18:41:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: CG Help? To: Brian Roberts Cc: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: <9505081713.AA29105@picard.vwo.verdix.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 May 1995, Brian Roberts wrote: > Flyer Users, > I had my dealer upgrade my Flyer system to 4.03 (from 3.94). The list of > now-working features for 4.03 included CG Scroll pages. However, that > doesn't seem to be the case (for me, at least). Perhaps someone could > tell me what I am doing wrong. Here is the scenario: > I created a short scroll page in CG and saved it. > In a clean project view, I put two things: A video clip (which plays > from start to finish just fine when used alone) and the scroll page, > in that order. I set the start time for the scroll page to 15 seconds > (00:00:15:00). When I press play, the video clip begins playing > and around the time I think the scroll should start, the machine > crashes. Very repeatable - happens every time. Scroll/Crawl works OK on a variety of systems that I've installed Flyers in. You -DO- have 2MB of chip ram in your Amiga, don't you? It is required in order to use scrolls & crawls. ,-------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank MicroTech Solutions, Inc. / ( johnc@mcs.com Desktop Video Systems Dealer ( \ mtech1@mcs.com Store:708-851-3033 \ `-------------------------------------------------` -- "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 8 17:02:21 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA245197741; Mon, 8 May 1995 17:02:21 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kitten.mcs.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA244997732; Mon, 8 May 1995 17:02:12 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA26190; Mon, 8 May 1995 19:04:48 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 8 May 95 18:46 CDT Received: by mars.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 8 May 95 18:46 CDT Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 18:46:52 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: Flyer4.03.dms To: cbrotherton Cc: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: <4AB97262C6D@marvin.csrv.uidaho.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On 8 May 1995, cbrotherton wrote: > Can anyone provide clues on how to decode Flyer4.03.dms? I downloaded it > from the Newtek FTP site, but can't grok how to control DMS properly from a > shell. > > Any help is greatly appreciated. CD to the directory where you have the *.DMS file. Then type: DMS write filename.DMS Follow the prompt and insert a disk in DF0: when instructed. In this example, "filename.DMS" would be substituted with the filename of the disk 1 / disk 2 filenames that you downloaded. ,-------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank MicroTech Solutions, Inc. / ( johnc@mcs.com Desktop Video Systems Dealer ( \ mtech1@mcs.com Store:708-851-3033 \ `-------------------------------------------------` -- "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 8 17:44:24 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA260810264; Mon, 8 May 1995 17:44:24 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from crow.csrv.uidaho.edu by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA260730256; Mon, 8 May 1995 17:44:16 -0700 Received: from marvin.csrv.uidaho.edu ([129.101.5.3]) by crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA07911 for ; Mon, 8 May 1995 17:46:34 -0700 Received: from MARVIN/MAILQUEUE by marvin.csrv.uidaho.edu (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 8 May 95 17:46:53 -800 Received: from MAILQUEUE by MARVIN (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 8 May 95 17:46:50 -800 From: "cbrotherton" Organization: University of Idaho To: toaster@webcom.com Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 17:48:32 PST8PDT Subject: re: Flyer4.03.dms, and more... Reply-To: cbrotherton@marvin.csrv.uidaho.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac (v2.1.2) Message-Id: <4B216C1263C@marvin.csrv.uidaho.edu> Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to all who responded to my question. I figured out the problem about half an hour after I posted. DMS wants to unpack to a floppy, and only a floppy. 4.03 is now successfully installed. So here's another one: when I select a Bernoulli drive from the 4.03 switcher -- a drive that contains lots of 3.5 files, framestores, projects, etc. -- the switcher hangs. I can go out to the Workbench, move files, do other things, but the switcher goes to sleep, and I have to reboot to continue. It's not like the Bernoulli disk is damaged -- the files can be read just fine from within 4.03 TPaint, Lightwave, or CG. But I can't load old framestores from the 4.03 switcher -- it won't show anything off that drive. It's a problem. Any ideas? I've tried copying the ".i" files for the pertinent folders, from 4.03 to the Bernoulli. I've tried viewing the files in small form using the right-hand Amiga key. No dice. Thanks! And, if I figure this out on my own, I'll be sure to let you know. Chuck -- "cbrotherton" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 8 18:30:30 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA277143030; Mon, 8 May 1995 18:30:30 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mickey.risd.edu by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA277053012; Mon, 8 May 1995 18:30:12 -0700 Received: from minnie by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA14872; Mon, 8 May 1995 21:32:50 -0400 Received: by minnie.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA15383; Mon, 8 May 1995 21:33:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 21:30:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: ToasterPaint to Switcher Crashes To: Andre Perusse Cc: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk > I've had Flyer system .94, 4.02, and 4.03 on my system. All of them > exhibited the same annoying problem: whenever I am in ToasterPaint and I > want to go back to the Switcher (by clicking on the Switcher button), my > machine hangs. It gets rid of the ToasterPaint screen, but the Swither > never comes up. All I get is the grey screen with no buttons on it. I'm stil waiting for my .94 -> 4.03 upgrade, but I've had problems where I exit LW or the .94 Setup screen (old-toaster style), and the lower part with the switcher appears, but the top and the control buttons don't. If you can finx the funciton key to switch screen modes (project/file, files/files, ect., I think it'a F8), it'll start cycling through and bring up the buttons and the top of the screen. Maybe this'll do it... -- Joe -- Joe Angell posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 9 15:48:55 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA210249735; Tue, 9 May 1995 15:48:55 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from tyrell.net by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA209959713; Tue, 9 May 1995 15:48:33 -0700 Received: by tyrell.net id AA18005 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for toaster@webcom.com); Tue, 9 May 1995 17:47:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 17:47:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Keith To: "Toaster.list" Subject: Tape backup, stuttering Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Two questions: First, what is the best option for archiving projects to tape and does the Flyer v4.xx support it yet? I have a 9G and a 4G to archive. Second, is anyone else experiencing occassional, random stuttering - usually, if not always, at transition points? Newtek tech support was mystified and didn't think it should be happening. When I told him it was on a 40 min. program he laughed and said "no wonder" and thought it was probably the thermal recalibration on the drives. He said there is no way around it. I find this ridiculous. Has anyone else encountered and solved this problem? I have to run this program out to tape tomorrow and stutters are unacceptable. If it helps, the numbers on my drives are as follows: 9G Seagate ST410800N 4G Seagate ST15150N Thanks in advance. ____________________________________________________________ Keith Kavanaugh kkav@tyrell.net -- Keith posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 9 23:03:06 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA125285786; Tue, 9 May 1995 23:03:06 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA125185776; Tue, 9 May 1995 23:03:00 -0700 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA226215937; Wed, 10 May 1995 02:05:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 02:05:38 -0400 From: RememWhen@aol.com Message-Id: <950510020537_113383047@aol.com> To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Rendering wireframe previews Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Dear Sirs: I try and try and try, but I cannot succeed to render a wireframe animation sequence to my Flyer Harddrrives. Other "realistic" sequences look GREAT, but upon playback of a wireframe type render, it appears to do something weird with the sync or genlock???? Help anyone? RememWhen@aol.com -- RememWhen@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 10 15:28:39 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA097624919; Wed, 10 May 1995 15:28:39 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from odi.cwc.whecn.edu by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA097364901; Wed, 10 May 1995 15:28:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 16:19:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Patrick Lawson To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: upgrade4.0 (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 16:13:09 -0600 (MDT) From: Patrick Lawson To: toster@webcom.com, lightwave@webcom.com Subject: upgrade4.0 If you upgrade the Toaster 3.1 to 4.0 you would have to pay $549. Is it cheaper to upgrade the Video Toaster 3.5 to 4.0? Do you get to $95 bucks you payed for 3.5 back? If you know please let me know. -- Patrick Lawson posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 11 03:36:27 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA016968587; Thu, 11 May 1995 03:36:27 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from merlin.nando.net by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA016738582; Thu, 11 May 1995 03:36:22 -0700 Received: by merlin.nando.net (4.1/davel-nando/Jan95) id AA11809; Thu, 11 May 95 06:38:42 EDT Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 06:38:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Bnota To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Megachip Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk I just installed a megschip in my A2000 running VT2.0. When I cold boot into another program like Brilliance , everything works fine , but when I boot up the toaster I get a very unstable screen. I've been trying to get thu to New Tek ,but they seem to be very busy these days. Anyone else run into similar problems ? I am using the toaster in a school and have a lot of unfinished projects that need to get done in the next couple of weeks. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Bill Notarnicola Brassfield Rd. Elementary Raleigh , NC -- Bnota posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 11 14:02:11 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA114816131; Thu, 11 May 1995 14:02:11 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from it.uwp.edu by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA114736123; Thu, 11 May 1995 14:02:03 -0700 Received: by it.uwp.edu id AA26247 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for Toaster User Group ); Thu, 11 May 1995 16:04:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 16:04:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Mario Cascio Subject: Decoding Flyer4.03.dms To: Toaster User Group Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk I just downloaded the Flyer4.03 update as well as the dms file located in the newtek ftp site using an IBM. I then transfered it through two disks to my Amiga in the shell. After typing DMS write "flyer403a.dms" and "flyer403b.dms", it said it had completed its task and it looked like it worked. However, nothing has changed. What am I doing wrong? Does this upgrade correct the inverse rendering of frames? Thanks in advance, Mario Cascio ProMotion -- Mario Cascio posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 11 14:39:21 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA131668360; Thu, 11 May 1995 14:39:21 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mickey.risd.edu by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA131308307; Thu, 11 May 1995 14:38:28 -0700 Received: from minnie by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA13399; Thu, 11 May 1995 17:41:24 -0400 Received: by minnie.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA06490; Thu, 11 May 1995 17:42:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 17:32:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Flyer 4.03 WITHOUT the 4.0 CD... To: LightWave Mailing List Cc: Toaster/Flyer Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Hi, all. After rendering out a LW animation (AND saving the stills) with my .94 Flyer, I played it back and got the "let's flash to a red tint every other frame" bug. I tried re-rendering the stills as another anim -- no luck. So I broke down and gave a call to NewTek's FTP site (ftp.newtek.com). I remembered reading on the list that Flyer 4.03 won't install without the 4.0 CD. I got the DMS'd disk and installed it by hand (decompress LHA files, copy the OLD files to a dir called "Flyer_OLD" first (just in case...), and then put the new files in.) I rebooted & started the Toaster... It did a Flyer Callibrate... AND WORKED!!! YEAH!!! Now I can finish my tape for Manny! and my final projects for RISD! JOY! RAPTURE! :) Works great, TPaint is OK (after renaming it from ToaterPaint2000 to ToasterPaint), but I haven't tried it much so I didn't find the bugs yet. I did notice that the Editor screen seems a bit darker, and the Save Projects button is a little too far to the right, but otherwise, REAL nice... Two questions, though... 1 -- How do you a) compile IFFs/Framestores into VTASC anims with TPaint b) How do you split clips to IFFs 2 -- Where do you put the A2000Icons.LHA once you've decompressed them? I'm assuming Control in the Effects dir, since nothing's there and these seem like control icons... BTW, it turns out NewTek wrote their own info command. Check your c:. Info is the NewTek one (type Info ? in a CLI) and Info_old (or something) is the old ADos one. Info ? explains why they did it... A couple other NewTek goddies are in C:, too... So long... -- Joe -- Joe Angell posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 11 20:00:05 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA272217605; Thu, 11 May 1995 20:00:05 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from it.uwp.edu by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA272157601; Thu, 11 May 1995 20:00:01 -0700 Received: by it.uwp.edu id AA21054 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ToasterMailingList ); Thu, 11 May 1995 22:02:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 22:02:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Mario Cascio To: ToasterMailingList Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk I just downloaded and installed the FLYER4.03 upgrade. Slight problem, it won't recognize any of my drives located in my tower. ie (FlyerA0:, FlyerB0:, FlyerC0:) What gives? They don't even show up on the workbench screen. Also the video on my program monitor seems a lot darker than normal. Someone else had mentioned that this version also offered another option for recording better quality, better than standard recording; however, this doesn't appear on my version. Any info appreciated Thanks, Mario Cascio -- Mario Cascio posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 11 23:36:49 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA053060609; Thu, 11 May 1995 23:36:49 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.wolfe.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA053000606; Thu, 11 May 1995 23:36:46 -0700 Received: from gonzo.wolfe.net (momar@gonzo.wolfe.net [204.157.98.2]) by mail1.wolfe.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA13586 for ; Thu, 11 May 1995 23:40:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 23:39:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Carter To: toast Subject: Re: Flyer 4.03 WITHOUT the 4.0 CD... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 May 1995, Joe Angell wrote: > > Works great, TPaint is OK (after renaming it from ToaterPaint2000 to > ToasterPaint), but I haven't tried it much so I didn't find the bugs yet. > I did notice that the Editor screen seems a bit darker, and the Save > Projects button is a little too far to the right, but otherwise, REAL nice... I'm still having problems with paint but at least I can open it without crashing now(A3000) Except when I try text Shear then it crashes. > 2 -- Where do you put the A2000Icons.LHA once you've decompressed them? > I'm assuming Control in the Effects dir, since nothing's there > and these seem like control icons... I didn't even download those didn't know I was supposed to, however the control dir in effects has had stuff in it in mine since I installed 4.0 it's got video source croutons 1,2... DV1, black, red etc. Have you checked it since you upgraded? > > So long... > > -- Joe > See ya Jim -- Jim Carter posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 11 23:42:56 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA054660975; Thu, 11 May 1995 23:42:56 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.primenet.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA054600972; Thu, 11 May 1995 23:42:52 -0700 Received: from mcbones (ip169.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.169]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-h2.0) with SMTP id XAA21756; Thu, 11 May 1995 23:45:36 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 23:45:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199505120645.XAA21756@mailhost.primenet.com> X-Sender: djmccoy@smtp.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lightwave@webcom.com From: djmccoy@primenet.com (Daniel J. McCoy) Subject: Small Status Report Cc: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Things are going smooth. I've figured out what Webcom was doing with the digest configuration and hopefully made it so the Lightwave digest goes out less frequently. I'll trim the size/line count if people request it. There's been a deal of normal bounces coming back with some "Unknown Host" bounces already. I'm not sure if those addresses are receiving e-mail until I ask. :( Some "Unknown User" bounces but those are easier to deal with if I can finger the account. Also, if by some freak of nature something bizarre happens to either of the lists tomorrow (Friday), I won't be able to take care of things until late Saturday. Here's knocking on wood nothing happens! :) Have fun all! Dan -- Daniel J. McCoy - djmccoy@primenet.com or dan@acti.com -- djmccoy@primenet.com (Daniel J. McCoy) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 12 01:16:40 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA098136600; Fri, 12 May 1995 01:16:40 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mickey.risd.edu by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA097976593; Fri, 12 May 1995 01:16:33 -0700 Received: from minnie by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA17181; Fri, 12 May 1995 04:19:36 -0400 Received: by minnie.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA03503; Fri, 12 May 1995 04:20:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 04:16:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: Flyer 4.03 WITHOUT the 4.0 CD... To: Jim Carter Cc: toast In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk > > Works great, TPaint is OK (after renaming it from ToaterPaint2000 to > > ToasterPaint), but I haven't tried it much so I didn't find the bugs yet. > > I did notice that the Editor screen seems a bit darker, and the Save > > Projects button is a little too far to the right, but otherwise, REAL nice... > > I'm still having problems with paint but at least I can open it without > crashing now(A3000) Except when I try text Shear then it crashes. I also noticed that when I load ANY image (Flyer Clip, RGB, Framestore), that TPaint streaches the image to double width. Big problem since it doesn't let you get to the right half of the picture! I'm guessing that the TPaint guy forgot to tell TPaint that screens are only 320 pixels across on ECS machines, as opposed to the 640 hi-res HAM in the A4000. Everything looks OK inthe frame buffers, thought... > > 2 -- Where do you put the A2000Icons.LHA once you've decompressed them? > > I'm assuming Control in the Effects dir, since nothing's there > > and these seem like control icons... > > I didn't even download those didn't know I was supposed to, however the > control dir in effects has had stuff in it in mine since I installed 4.0 > it's got video source croutons 1,2... DV1, black, red etc. Have you > checked it since you upgraded? Yeah, that's them. they have new icons for the A2000 version -- probobly look nicer. I don't have the 4.0 CD, so I don't have anything in control. I took a WAG and copied the files over by hand, and it worked. Those croutons could be handy... Thanx for the reply... -- Joe -- Joe Angell posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 12 03:36:18 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA153214978; Fri, 12 May 1995 03:36:18 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from server.globalone.net (ns1.globalone.net) by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA153154972; Fri, 12 May 1995 03:36:12 -0700 From: davewarner@globalone.net Received: from shell.globalone.net (davewarner@shell.globalone.net [198.69.121.31]) By server.globalone.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA07257 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 06:38:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 06:38:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Decoding Flyer4.03.dms To: Toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 May 1995, Mario Cascio wrote: > I just downloaded the Flyer4.03 update as well as the dms file located in > the newtek ftp site using an IBM. I then transfered it through two > disks to my Amiga in the shell. After typing DMS write "flyer403a.dms" > and "flyer403b.dms", it said it had completed its task and it looked like > it worked. However, nothing has changed. What am I doing wrong? > Does this upgrade correct the inverse rendering of frames? DMS is a utility for uncompressing full diskettes of information to the floppy drive, not the hard drive....after you uncompress Flyer403a.dms to Df0:, do the same for Flyer403b.dms and then put the first diskette back into your floppy drive, double click on the disk icon, and then double click on the Flyer4.03 Install icon...this will run the Flyer software installer program and update your Flyer software to version 4.03. I'm not sure if the inverse frame problem has been corrected or not...haven't gotten to that point in my tests yet. Good luck getting this to work...leave another message if you need further help. =) -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 12 04:04:07 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA264316647; Fri, 12 May 1995 04:04:07 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from server.globalone.net (ns1.globalone.net) by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA263096633; Fri, 12 May 1995 04:03:53 -0700 From: davewarner@globalone.net Received: from shell.globalone.net (davewarner@shell.globalone.net [198.69.121.31]) By server.globalone.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA07444 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 07:06:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 07:06:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Flyer 4.03 WITHOUT the 4.0 CD... To: Toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 May 1995, Joe Angell wrote: > I got the DMS'd disk and installed it by hand (decompress LHA > files, copy the OLD files to a dir called "Flyer_OLD" first (just in > case...), and then put the new files in.) Do you have an audio drive on your Flyer? If so, are you able to use audio clips within the Flyer clip timeline with other Flyer video clips? The Flyer I'm working with has a problem where it just tells me it can't find the Audio drive whenever I try to play an audio clip when it's part of a timeline...if I double click on the audio clip only by itself though, it works fine. Also, many of the control buttons have unreadable garbage on them even though this is an A4000....maybe I should try the A2000icons instead. And yes, we ran the installer for 4.03 even though our last update was .94...we just clicked on the Update Flyer 4.0 option instead of installing the entire system over again, as that required the 4.0 CD. The installation of 4.03 did at least correct the calibration problems we were having but it screwed up the audio clips from the Audio drive! And two days after calling NewTek, I'm still waiting for a return call(hah!) -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 12 05:25:33 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA220221533; Fri, 12 May 1995 05:25:33 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA220141525; Fri, 12 May 1995 05:25:25 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA50621; Fri, 12 May 1995 09:29:43 -0300 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 09:29:43 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: davewarner@globalone.net Cc: Toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Flyer 4.03 WITHOUT the 4.0 CD... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 May 1995 davewarner@globalone.net wrote: > > On Thu, 11 May 1995, Joe Angell wrote: > > Do you have an audio drive on your Flyer? If so, are you able to use > audio clips within the Flyer clip timeline with other Flyer video clips? > > The Flyer I'm working with has a problem where it just tells me it can't > find the Audio drive whenever I try to play an audio clip when it's part > of a timeline...if I double click on the audio clip only by itself > though, it works fine. > > Also, many of the control buttons have unreadable garbage on them even > though this is an A4000....maybe I should try the A2000icons instead. Control buttons on a A2000 look fine here, even without the A2000icons.lha, but then again I did manage to borrow a Toaster 4.00 CDROM. Perhaps the new icons would explain why some of them don't always work as expected! > And yes, we ran the installer for 4.03 even though our last update was > .94...we just clicked on the Update Flyer 4.0 option instead of > installing the entire system over again, as that required the 4.0 CD. > The installation of 4.03 did at least correct the calibration problems we > were having but it screwed up the audio clips from the Audio drive! Right about the calibration, but can't answer about the audio drive yet - still waiting for mine. I think that Flyer handles audio in much the same way as A/B roll, it needs to layoff the audio clip to that second drive for input along side concurant video. Flyer SCSI seems to be a little fussy, I have drives that lockup or are not recognised - maybe it a SCSI 1/SCSI 2 thing. I would suggest re-formatting if possible. SCSIMounter will poll the buss (with flyerscsi. device as the device) but only on `A' buss - I don't know how to change that setting. I would not use SCSIMounter to mount the drives. I have experienced problems saving framestores to a partition on the `system' drive - the partition is un-validated. > > And two days after calling NewTek, I'm still waiting for a return call(hah!) > Remember the old days when tech support was an 800 number available for extended hours of the day? Have a good day - cheers Ian Ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 12 06:48:03 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA242816483; Fri, 12 May 1995 06:48:03 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kitten.mcs.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA242706475; Fri, 12 May 1995 06:47:55 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA26933; Fri, 12 May 1995 08:50:35 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Fri, 12 May 95 08:50 CDT Received: by mars.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Fri, 12 May 95 08:50 CDT Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 08:50:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: Decoding Flyer4.03.dms To: davewarner@globalone.net Cc: Toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 May 1995 davewarner@globalone.net wrote: > I'm not sure if the inverse frame problem has been corrected or > not...haven't gotten to that point in my tests yet. Yup - it was fixed with 4.02. Been happily rendering ever since. ,-------------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank johnc@mcs.com / ( MicroTech Solutions, Inc. ( \ http://www.mcs.net/~johnc/www/MicroTech.html \ `-------------------------------------------------------` -- "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 12 06:51:36 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA243996695; Fri, 12 May 1995 06:51:36 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kitten.mcs.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA243926692; Fri, 12 May 1995 06:51:32 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA27011; Fri, 12 May 1995 08:54:17 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Fri, 12 May 95 08:54 CDT Received: by mars.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Fri, 12 May 95 08:54 CDT Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 08:54:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: Flyer 4.03 WITHOUT the 4.0 CD... To: davewarner@globalone.net Cc: Toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 May 1995 davewarner@globalone.net wrote: > And yes, we ran the installer for 4.03 even though our last update was > .94...we just clicked on the Update Flyer 4.0 option instead of > installing the entire system over again, as that required the 4.0 CD. > The installation of 4.03 did at least correct the calibration problems we > were having but it screwed up the audio clips from the Audio drive! You'll really need to do a full re-install, if you're coming from .94. The stuff on the floppies will fix a few things by themselves, but there's new content on the CD as well. But they *are* going out the door. Several customers have reported that they have received their 4.03+CD in the last week. ,-------------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank johnc@mcs.com / ( MicroTech Solutions, Inc. ( \ http://www.mcs.net/~johnc/www/MicroTech.html \ `-------------------------------------------------------` -- "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 12 07:17:47 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA253948267; Fri, 12 May 1995 07:17:47 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from sce.com ([155.13.32.41]) by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA253868261; Fri, 12 May 1995 07:17:41 -0700 Received: from D039582.sce.com by sce.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21565; Fri, 12 May 1995 07:20:24 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 07:20:24 -0700 Message-Id: <9505121420.AA21565@sce.com> X-Sender: mccabejc@sce.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@webcom.com From: mccabejc@sce.com Subject: Newtek Support X-Mailer: Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Is it just me, or is Newtek Support being extremely non-responsive lately? I've been trying for 3 weeks to get a resolution to a problem I'm having with mismatched DV buffers on my T2000 card, and in that time they have failed to return 4 of my 6 calls/faxes. It takes anywhere from 2 days to over a week to get a response from them. And if you miss their call, you have to start the process all over again. I'm sure they're busy with Flyer stuff, but that doesn't help me. Any ideas ? Thanks. -- mccabejc@sce.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 12 08:49:44 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA284933784; Fri, 12 May 1995 08:49:44 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.wolfe.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA284853779; Fri, 12 May 1995 08:49:39 -0700 Received: from gonzo.wolfe.net (momar@gonzo.wolfe.net [204.157.98.2]) by mail1.wolfe.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id IAA17337 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 08:53:03 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 08:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Carter To: toaster@webcom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Even though I got the 4.03 by FTP I just got my Official upgrade by UPS. Hip hip whoray! Comes with 4.0 CD two disks, and docs Jim -- Jim Carter posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 12 09:03:07 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA292054587; Fri, 12 May 1995 09:03:07 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ohsu.edu (wpsmtp.ohsu.edu) by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA291964583; Fri, 12 May 1995 09:03:03 -0700 Received: from ohsu-Message_Server by ohsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 12 May 1995 09:07:52 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 09:05:13 -0700 From: Ed Weigel To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: large flyer projects Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Thought I'd pass along a problem and fix that we went through here at Oregon Health Sciences University. We are using 4.03 and our project got up to 1 hour long. It was comprised of about 50 clips, 50 framestores, 20 audio clips, and almost everything was a split edit. We had a 520 meg audio drive. The problem was that it would take 10 minutes to start playing from pushing the play button - yes 10 minutes!! at the end of each video clip there would be about 3 or 4 frozen frames before it would transition into the next framestore or clip. I watched the drive lights work during the 10 minute warm- up. They audio drive light was lit constantly for 10 minutes. I decided that there was a possibility that we need more audio space. We had five 9 gig and one 4 gig video drives. I rewired the 4 gig audio drive onto the C buss and formatted it for audio. I ran the same project again. It took three minutes to begin playing and the 4 gig drive was running constantly during this 3 minutes. We did not move any audio to this drive before hand. We then ran the project again and it started in 20 seconds and all the frozen frames at the end of the clips disappeared. It worked perfectly. It appears that a very large audio drive is required for large complex projects. It also appears that the flyer spools all of the audio from split edits onto the audio drive. If it has nowhere to spool it just sloowwws down. -- Ed Weigel posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 12 11:01:11 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA044501671; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:01:11 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from server.globalone.net (ns1.globalone.net) by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA044431666; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:01:06 -0700 From: davewarner@globalone.net Received: from shell.globalone.net (davewarner@shell.globalone.net [198.69.121.31]) By server.globalone.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA11139 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:41:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:41:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Flyer 4.03 WITHOUT the 4.0 CD... To: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 May 1995, John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc. wrote: > On Fri, 12 May 1995 davewarner@globalone.net wrote: > > You'll really need to do a full re-install, if you're coming from .94. > The stuff on the floppies will fix a few things by themselves, but > there's new content on the CD as well. > > But they *are* going out the door. Several cusTomers have reported that > they have received their 4.03+CD in the last week. Okay, that should make my client happy....can you shed any light on the Flyer's SCSI ID situation? I need to access a Sony DAT tape drive that's attached to the same SCSI port as the audio drive...Flyer software recognizes that the tape drive is there but if I try to access this drive with something like AmiBack2.0 (using FlyerSCSI.device and the tape drive's SCSI ID #5) it can't find the drive at all...I'm positive it has something to do with the fact that the Flyer has 3 different SCSI ports and I just don't know how to access the third (audio) SCSI port. Thanks for the assist.... -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 12 13:55:13 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA121452113; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:55:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA121332102; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:55:02 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA44048; Fri, 12 May 1995 17:59:09 -0300 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 17:59:09 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: toaster Subject: HardDrive Hell! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk I am running a Flyer on my trusty A2000, with Toaster version 4.0 and the ver. 4.03 Updates. I only have one drive at the moment, an `end of financial year' budget thing but will be adding more - soon. The drive I have that came from the NewTek Dealer is a Micropolis 1991, which apart from it's serial number also has the notation `140212-05-1 rev.C2'. NewTek, in it's listing of approved drives list the 1991 with a `firmware revision HT01'. Does anyone know how this bit of information is obtained? In `playing' with the Flyer since installing rev.4.03, I have tried the highest mode of recording (D2?) from the `alt.alt.~' menu, but experience lots of video break-up, color drop-outs and stuttering audio. Can someone tell me if this is drive related, or is it a limitation of the current 4.0/4.03 software? Finally, I do wish it was possible to highlight (select) a number of video clips for playback - this one or all thing, is a bit of a pain! Cheers - Ian Ian Lancaster ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca Manager, Media Services St. Francis Xavier University "Questions?" Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 12 15:12:23 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA150796743; Fri, 12 May 1995 15:12:23 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from it.uwp.edu by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA150676738; Fri, 12 May 1995 15:12:18 -0700 Received: by it.uwp.edu id AA11551 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for Toaster@webcom.com); Fri, 12 May 1995 17:14:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 17:14:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Mario Cascio Subject: Re: Decoding Flyer4.03.dms To: davewarner@globalone.net Cc: Toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 May 1995 davewarner@globalone.net wrote: > DMS is a utility for uncompressing full diskettes of information to the > floppy drive, not the hard drive....after you uncompress Flyer403a.dms to > Df0:, do the same for Flyer403b.dms and then put the first diskette back > into your floppy drive, double click on the disk icon, and then double > click on the Flyer4.03 Install icon...this will run the Flyer software > installer program and update your Flyer software to version 4.03. > > I'm not sure if the inverse frame problem has been corrected or > not...haven't gotten to that point in my tests yet. > > Good luck getting this to work...leave another message if you need > further help. =) > Thanks Dave, I finally got it to work. Mario Cascio ProMotion -- Mario Cascio posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 12 15:19:48 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA154407188; Fri, 12 May 1995 15:19:48 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from it.uwp.edu by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA154337184; Fri, 12 May 1995 15:19:44 -0700 Received: by it.uwp.edu id AA11873 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for toaster@webcom.com); Fri, 12 May 1995 17:22:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 17:22:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Mario Cascio Subject: Re: your mail To: Jim Carter Cc: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 May 1995, Jim Carter wrote: > Even though I got the 4.03 by FTP I just got my Official upgrade by UPS. > > Hip hip whoray! > > Comes with 4.0 CD two disks, and docs > Jim, Do you plan to install the update again even though you already installed the downloaded version from the FTP site? If so, let me know if everything installs correctly? Thanks in advance, Mario Cascio ProMotion -- Mario Cascio posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 12 20:09:32 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA052524572; Fri, 12 May 1995 20:09:32 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kitten.mcs.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA052464566; Fri, 12 May 1995 20:09:27 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA12431; Fri, 12 May 1995 22:12:12 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Fri, 12 May 95 22:12 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Fri, 12 May 95 22:12 CDT Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 22:12:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: Flyer 4.03 WITHOUT the 4.0 CD... To: davewarner@globalone.net Cc: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 May 1995 davewarner@globalone.net wrote: > I need to access a Sony DAT tape drive that's > attached to the same SCSI port as the audio drive...Flyer software > recognizes that the tape drive is there but if I try to access this > drive with something like AmiBack2.0 (using FlyerSCSI.device and the tape > drive's SCSI ID #5) it can't find the drive at all...I'm positive it has > something to do with the fact that the Flyer has 3 different SCSI ports > and I just don't know how to access the third (audio) SCSI port. No, you can't run a tape drive on the Flyer SCSI bus from normal Amiga Tape software unless you create a special version or driver for it (like NewTek did). From the Amiga, the Flyer SCSI ports are an emulated device, kind like PAR is. The current crop of backup software expects SCSI-direct access to the drive, which doesn't exist if it's on the Flyer bus unless you write special software to go through the NewTek handler. Best thing to do is to put an external SCSI connector on each bus, and put the tape drive on the appropriate bus when you do backups. Oh, BTW, when I was trying the same thing, I had pretty good luck using the LUN settings to get at the extra "ports" higher than ID#6. LUN's 0-6 were bus A, LUN's 8-14 were bus B, etc. AmiBack, as usual, does not support this, but Quarterback did, I think. This was last November, when we got an actual BETA system, so there was absolutely no DOCs at that time. Heh - think .94 had problems? You shoulda had the *first* beta release. It took 3 more updates to get *to* .94! ;-) I used a bunch of SCSI inquiry tools to figure out how things were talking, and that's as far as I got. I could see the drive, I could talk to it, but not all the low-level commands were being passed to it through the NewTek handler. Some utility or other came up and said "this drive does not support SCSI-direct commands" or some such, so I knew that the low-level stuff wasn't getting through. I back up our Flyer by walking the tape drive over to it and plugging it into the Flyer bus. It backs up Flyer clips at least 3 times faster through the NewTek software as it does from any other Amiga B/U software. ,-------------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank johnc@mcs.com / ( MicroTech Solutions, Inc. ( \ http://www.mcs.net/~johnc/www/MicroTech \ `-------------------------------------------------------` -- "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sat May 13 12:17:29 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA081102649; Sat, 13 May 1995 12:17:29 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA081042646; Sat, 13 May 1995 12:17:26 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA45069; Sat, 13 May 1995 16:21:48 -0300 Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 16:21:48 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: Joe Angell Cc: toaster Subject: Re: HardDrive Hell! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 13 May 1995, Joe Angell wrote: > > Finally, I do wish it was possible to highlight (select) a number of > > video clips for playback - this one or all thing, is a bit of a pain! > > In the pre-4.x software, clicking on clip, then holding the shift key > while clicking Play would play from that point. That won't work in Flyer > 4.03 (dunno why), but shift-TAB will. Just click anywhere to stop the > playing. > > Hope this helps... Sure does Joe, never would have figured that one. I sometimes use the stop icon to stop playback at the point in the sequence that I'm fine tuning. Many thanks - Ian -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sun May 14 15:13:26 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA172559605; Sun, 14 May 1995 15:13:26 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA172469597; Sun, 14 May 1995 15:13:17 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA19976; Sun, 14 May 1995 19:17:45 -0300 Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 19:17:45 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: toaster Subject: Hi Res Video! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Someone has suggested that the only drives suitable for Hi-res (D2) recordings are the new Quantum Atlas drives. Is anyone attempting the use of Hi-res, and if so, what are the results and what drive are you using? And yes, related to an previous posting, the firmware revision I was seeking for my Micropolis 1991 Drive was available in the `Flyer Format' as part of the designation `1020SHT01' - HT01 was the revision number listed by NewTek. Thanks Andre. Ian Ian Lancaster ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca Manager, Media Services St. Francis Xavier University "Questions?" Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 15 07:32:20 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA177018340; Mon, 15 May 1995 07:32:20 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ohsu.edu (wpsmtp.ohsu.edu) by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA176348331; Mon, 15 May 1995 07:32:12 -0700 Received: from ohsu-Message_Server by ohsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 May 1995 07:37:14 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 07:34:43 -0700 From: Ed Weigel To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Hi Res Video! -Reply Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk In a previous post Ian writes: >Someone has suggested that the only drives suitable for Hi-res (D2) recordings are the new Quantum Atlas drives. I am using 5 micropolis drives in high quality mode every day without a problem (with the drives that is). -- Ed Weigel posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 15 07:56:20 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA005449780; Mon, 15 May 1995 07:56:20 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA004649770; Mon, 15 May 1995 07:56:10 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA43005; Mon, 15 May 1995 12:00:35 -0300 Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 12:00:34 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: Ed Weigel Cc: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Hi Res Video! -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 May 1995, Ed Weigel wrote: > In a previous post Ian writes: > >Someone has suggested that the only drives suitable for Hi-res (D2) > recordings are the new Quantum Atlas drives. > > I am using 5 micropolis drives in high quality mode every day without > a problem (with the drives that is). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ha! Interesting that you pull off the High Quality mode. When I try, the fist minute is fine then the video starts to stutter, color drops out and the audio gets distorted. Are your drives 1991's or 1991AV's? Ian -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 15 15:15:22 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA092596122; Mon, 15 May 1995 15:15:22 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA092426110; Mon, 15 May 1995 15:15:14 -0700 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA299176282; Mon, 15 May 1995 18:18:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 18:18:02 -0400 From: ALugones@aol.com Message-Id: <950515180127_119618610@aol.com> To: weigel@ohsu.edu, toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Hi Res Video! -Reply Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk I'm a bit confused. I own version 4.03 of the Flyer, yet I don't see any way to access hi-res mode. I can get standard and extended, but no hi-res mode. One message mentioned pressing on ALT twice and then the ~ key. Sorry, no cigar. Can anyone give a clear description on how to access this special mode? Thank you, Alex -- ALugones@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 15 20:45:14 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA203425914; Mon, 15 May 1995 20:45:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kitten.mcs.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA203335909; Mon, 15 May 1995 20:45:09 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA06107; Mon, 15 May 1995 22:47:56 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 15 May 95 22:47 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 15 May 95 22:47 CDT Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 22:47:52 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: Hi Res Video! -Reply To: ALugones@aol.com Cc: weigel@ohsu.edu, toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: <950515180127_119618610@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 May 1995 ALugones@aol.com wrote: > I'm a bit confused. I own version 4.03 of the Flyer, yet I don't see any way > to access hi-res mode. I can get standard and extended, but no hi-res mode. > One message mentioned pressing on ALT twice and then the ~ key. Sorry, no > cigar. Can anyone give a clear description on how to access this special > mode? Tilde is the hot-key to call up the "record raw footage" screen. If you hold both Alt keys down while you press the Tilde key (all 3 at once), you will have a new HiQ mode available from that point onwards. ,-------------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank johnc@mcs.com / ( MicroTech Solutions, Inc. ( \ http://www.mcs.net/~johnc/www/MicroTech.html \ `-------------------------------------------------------` -- "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 15 21:29:53 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA221318593; Mon, 15 May 1995 21:29:53 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from it.uwp.edu by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA221248589; Mon, 15 May 1995 21:29:50 -0700 Received: by it.uwp.edu id AA15840 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for toaster@webcom.com); Mon, 15 May 1995 23:32:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 23:32:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Mario Cascio Subject: Re: Hi Res Video! -Reply To: ALugones@aol.com Cc: weigel@ohsu.edu, toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: <950515180127_119618610@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 May 1995 ALugones@aol.com wrote: > I'm a bit confused. I own version 4.03 of the Flyer, yet I don't see any way > to access hi-res mode. I can get standard and extended, but no hi-res mode. > One message mentioned pressing on ALT twice and then the ~ key. Sorry, no > cigar. Can anyone give a clear description on how to access this special > mode? > > Thank you, > Alex Alex, I was confused too for a while until I realized that you don't hit alt twice. There are two alt keys on the keyboard, hit both of them at the same time as well as the ~ key. This works. Mario Cascio ProMotion -- Mario Cascio posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 16 05:28:59 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA082647338; Tue, 16 May 1995 05:28:59 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA082537334; Tue, 16 May 1995 05:28:54 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA21042; Tue, 16 May 1995 09:32:04 -0300 Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 09:32:04 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: ALugones@aol.com Cc: weigel@ohsu.edu, toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Hi Res Video! -Reply In-Reply-To: <950515180127_119618610@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk To access the hi-res/high quality record mode of Flyer, hold down left-alt, right-alt and tilde key (no upper-case required) all at the same time. It seems to matter which screen you are in, there are different versions of this screen. Try while in Project/Files. Ian Ian Lancaster ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca Manager, Media Services St. Francis Xavier University "Questions?" Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 16 05:49:12 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA086128551; Tue, 16 May 1995 05:49:12 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA086068547; Tue, 16 May 1995 05:49:07 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA37959; Tue, 16 May 1995 09:53:38 -0300 Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 09:53:38 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: ALugones@aol.com Cc: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Hi Res Video! -Reply In-Reply-To: <950515180127_119618610@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Sorry, I'm the one that is confused now. ALT/ALT/` at the Project/Files screen is more complete than doing it at the Toaster screen. Ian Lancaster ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca Manager, Media Services St. Francis Xavier University "Questions?" Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 17 16:00:08 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA055529538; Wed, 17 May 1995 07:05:39 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA052709510; Wed, 17 May 1995 07:05:11 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA38928; Wed, 17 May 1995 11:09:42 -0300 Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 11:09:42 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: toaster Subject: Out of phase Flyer! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Question. I have a video clip replicated a number of times in the Project/Files window, the clip was taken from the Flyer drive and then duplicated. When these clips are played in sequence (alt/tab), alternate clips show a marked shift in hue towards magenta. If this sequence is taken to the Toaster window and played, this does not happen. I seems that when playing the clips in the Project/Files window they alternate from inputs 3 and 4. When played from the Toaster interface, they seem to come only from one input? I have performed autohue on the Flyer a number of times, and this does not change anything. Would someone please try this same proceedure and note the results. Does anyone know why a phase difference would exist between inputs? All major items in the system are fed and locked to a sync signal. Many thanks - Ian Ian Lancaster ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca Manager, Media Services St. Francis Xavier University "Questions?" Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 17 18:33:37 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA262490817; Wed, 17 May 1995 18:33:37 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA262100781; Wed, 17 May 1995 18:33:01 -0700 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id SAA04372; Wed, 17 May 1995 18:35:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 18:35:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199505180135.SAA04372@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Sony DAT Flyer backups To: johnc@mcs.com To: toaster@webcom.com To: lightwave@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Is anyone using a Sony SDK or SDT-5000/M series? I do but I am encontering several problems. I have just tried my first project backups and for some reason, I can only fit 1 Gig of data on a 60 meters DAT tape. Also, this drive is given an average sustained transfer rate of 732 KB/sec. and the Flyer backup program reports only data transfer rates around 150/200 KB/sec. The drive has several internal jumper settings and I am not sure if I configured it properly. Here are my settings: - SCSI 3 = 5 - Data Compression = Disabled - SCSI Parity = On - Termination power = On - Terminator = On (the drive is hooked up to my C audio drive) Is anyone using this type of DAT drive to backup Flyer projects and if yes, do you get better performances and storage capacities? I am waiting for 120 meters data cartridges but for now I am using DAT audio tapes that are 60 meters long. Thanks for your input. Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 17 20:51:45 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA008789105; Wed, 17 May 1995 20:51:45 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA008669099; Wed, 17 May 1995 20:51:39 -0700 Received: from kelly.teleport.com (downinit@kelly.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA26535 for ; Wed, 17 May 1995 20:54:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 20:53:51 -0700 (PDT) From: DMetcalfe To: toaster@webcom.com Cc: lightwave@webcom.com Subject: Re: Sony DAT Flyer backups In-Reply-To: <199505180135.SAA04372@ix4.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk A friend is using the same or similar drive, Sony DDS2 4-8GB. He's getting the same or similar results. Takes a >very< long time to backup and tape capacity is about half what it should be. He did not experience this much "off spec" with DOS volume backups using AmiBack, although it wasn't "up to spec" then either, he was using the WarpSCSI2 and getting 350-500KB/sec. I think the 732KB/sec is a >burst< transfer rate. Darren Metcalfe "Had this been an actual emergency, downinit@teleport.com we would have fled in terror, and you would not have been informed" -- DMetcalfe posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 17 20:54:57 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA010919297; Wed, 17 May 1995 20:54:57 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kitten.mcs.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA010859293; Wed, 17 May 1995 20:54:53 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA03318; Wed, 17 May 1995 22:57:47 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 17 May 95 22:57 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 17 May 95 22:57 CDT Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 22:57:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: Out of phase Flyer! To: Ian Lancaster Cc: toaster In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 17 May 1995, Ian Lancaster wrote: > Question. > I have a video clip replicated a number of times in the Project/Files > window, the clip was taken from the Flyer drive and then duplicated. When > these clips are played in sequence (alt/tab), alternate clips show a > marked shift in hue towards magenta. If this sequence is taken to > the Toaster window and played, this does not happen. > > I seems that when playing the clips in the Project/Files window they > alternate from inputs 3 and 4. When played from the Toaster interface, > they seem to come only from one input? > > I have performed autohue on the Flyer a number of times, and this does > not change anything. Would someone please try this same proceedure and note > the results. Does anyone know why a phase difference would exist between inputs? > All major items in the system are fed and locked to a sync signal. The program you want is FlyerCalibrate. It's job is to calibrate the two playback channels of the Flyer. FlyerCalibrate is located in your Programs drawer. It works similarly to AutoHue - just double-click and sit back while it works. JC ,-------------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank johnc@mcs.com / ( MicroTech Solutions, Inc. ( \ http://www.mcs.net/~johnc/www/MicroTech.html \ `-------------------------------------------------------` -- "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 17 23:02:04 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA041056924; Wed, 17 May 1995 23:02:04 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mickey.risd.edu by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA040986918; Wed, 17 May 1995 23:01:58 -0700 Received: from minnie by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA17618; Thu, 18 May 1995 02:05:13 -0400 Received: by minnie.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA26211; Thu, 18 May 1995 02:06:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 02:04:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: Out of phase Flyer! To: Ian Lancaster Cc: toaster In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk > Question. > I have a video clip replicated a number of times in the Project/Files > window, the clip was taken from the Flyer drive and then duplicated. When > these clips are played in sequence (alt/tab), alternate clips show a > marked shift in hue towards magenta. If this sequence is taken to > the Toaster window and played, this does not happen. > > I seems that when playing the clips in the Project/Files window they > alternate from inputs 3 and 4. When played from the Toaster interface, > they seem to come only from one input? > > I have performed autohue on the Flyer a number of times, and this does > not change anything. Would someone please try this same proceedure and note > the results. Does anyone know why a phase difference would exist between inputs? > All major items in the system are fed and locked to a sync signal. I've had the same problems. I don't know quite how to fix it -- I'd try it again with my new 4.03 software, but ime is really crunched right now (I lost my WHOLE video A drive to to a bug while installing 4.03 -- DON'T try to use the WorkBench to delet things from the Flyer drives!) I think this may be on NewTek's "know bug to fix" list, but I'm not sure. Are you using .94 are 4.03? I'll give it a try once I get some time... -- Joe -- Joe Angell posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 17 23:13:04 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA044397584; Wed, 17 May 1995 23:13:04 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mickey.risd.edu by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA044317578; Wed, 17 May 1995 23:12:59 -0700 Received: from minnie by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA21172; Thu, 18 May 1995 02:15:38 -0400 Received: by minnie.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA05455; Thu, 18 May 1995 02:16:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 02:10:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: re: HIIP Formats To: John Gross Cc: Stephen Loughran , lightwave@webcom.com, Toaster/Flyer Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk > > will the NT version of lightwave load scenes and objects from the > > amiga without any problems? does it cope with the '/' and '\' directory > > seperators properly? and what image file formats will it load and save > > in? > > Yes. Yes. The final release will load/save a large number of formats due > to Elastic Realities HIIP protocol. Im not certain what all the formats > will be... For anyone interested, here's what Flyer 4.03 has in the HIIP dir... Loaders & Savers: Alias BMP Cineon FLIC Framestore IFF JPEG PCX PICT Pixar QRT Rendition SGI SoftImage SunRaster TARGA TIFF Wavefront XWindows YUV I'm wondering if Flyer 4.1 (the so-called FINAL release version) will allow you to double-click on ANY file in the Flyer Switcher and load it, as opposed to using the Import Script (same with TPaint). All we need now is Amiga OS 3.0 DataTypes... -- Joe -- Joe Angell posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 18 04:49:54 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA108567794; Thu, 18 May 1995 04:49:54 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA096677616; Thu, 18 May 1995 04:46:56 -0700 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id EAA13346; Thu, 18 May 1995 04:49:15 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 04:49:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199505181149.EAA13346@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Fwd: Sony DAT Flyer backups -Svar To: toaster@webcom.com To: lightwave@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk You wrote about Flyer backups with Sony SDK-5000/M DAT drive: >Try turning the Hardware Compression on. It will most of the time compress >you data alot and then it will only have to write less data to you tape. >(I use a HP 2-4 gb DAT for my PC, and have had the same problem.) >But the again, it might be a software problem.. (The flyer might be slow!!!) I disabled hardware compression because I read somewhere that you should not try to compressed already heavily compressed data (e.i. VTASC video clips), but I'll give it a try. thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 18 05:21:19 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA220739679; Thu, 18 May 1995 05:21:19 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA220669674; Thu, 18 May 1995 05:21:14 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA28334; Thu, 18 May 1995 09:25:49 -0300 Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 09:25:49 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Cc: toaster Subject: Re: Out of phase Flyer! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 17 May 1995, John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc. wrote: > On Wed, 17 May 1995, Ian Lancaster wrote: > > > Question. > > I have a video clip replicated a number of times in the Project/Files > > > > I have performed autohue on the Flyer a number of times, and this does > > The program you want is FlyerCalibrate. It's job is to calibrate the two > playback channels of the Flyer. FlyerCalibrate is located in your I should have mentioned, I had performed FlyerCalibrate as well - sorry! Anyway, perhaps for the moment this should be regarded as one of the quirks - until I get the new CD/software installed. Thanks! Cheers - Ian -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 18 05:48:14 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA228121294; Thu, 18 May 1995 05:48:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ndsuext (ndsuext.NoDak.edu) by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA228061290; Thu, 18 May 1995 05:48:10 -0700 Received: from ndsuext by ndsuext with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0sC53D-000e6aC; Thu, 18 May 95 07:51 CDT Message-Id: From: rcadwell@ndsuext.nodak.edu (Randy Cadwell) To: toaster@webcom.com Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 07:53:42 Subject: Flyer Listserv? Reply-To: rcadwell@ndsuext.nodak.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Hey some of us are still using the trusty Toaster 4000 without the Flyer. Recently this list has had a majority of the chit chat relating to the Flyer. I know there are things to talk about but for me it does nothing but keeps me informed about the operations of the Flyer. How about another listserv for the Flyer and keep the Toaster stuff here. Also in the Lightwave group it appears the Flyer is creeping in there too. Am I off base or could this be a possible avenue to follow? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rcadwell@ndsuext.nodak.edu Randy Cadwell Video Production Assistant North Dakota State University NDSU Extension Communications 418 IACC Building (701)237-7953 Fargo, ND 58103 ---------------------------- "But I live in Minnesota" ---------------------------- -- rcadwell@ndsuext.nodak.edu (Randy Cadwell) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 18 06:07:55 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA232412475; Thu, 18 May 1995 06:07:55 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA232312470; Thu, 18 May 1995 06:07:51 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA30568; Thu, 18 May 1995 10:12:22 -0300 Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 10:12:22 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: Joe Angell Cc: toaster Subject: Re: Out of phase Flyer! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 18 May 1995, Joe Angell wrote: > > I have a video clip replicated a number of times in the Project/Files > > > > I seems that when playing the clips in the Project/Files window they > > alternate from inputs 3 and 4. When played from the Toaster interface, > > they seem to come only from one input? > > > > I have performed autohue on the Flyer a number of times, and this does > > I've had the same problems. I don't know quite how to fix it -- I'd try > it again with my new 4.03 software, but ime is really crunched right now > (I lost my WHOLE video A drive to to a bug while installing 4.03 -- DON'T > try to use the WorkBench to delet things from the Flyer drives!) I think Flyer seems to bite now and again. Had an Amiga partition `un-validated' just saving out a framestore - Disksalv to the rescue! > this may be on NewTek's "know bug to fix" list, but I'm not sure. Are you > using .94 are 4.03? I'll give it a try once I get some time... At this point I'm not sure what to call the software. The CDROM that came with the Flyer was .94, but then I borrowed the next release (while waiting for my copy to arrive, which was then cancelled). I then obtained the two floppies known as 4.03 (could not remember how to work DMS!) and put this little fix on. I am now waiting for the CDROM that is just being released, along with a free CD of goodies! I'm not sure what they call this version. Cheers - Ian -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 18 07:42:30 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA259278150; Thu, 18 May 1995 07:42:30 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from sage.acti.com by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA259218144; Thu, 18 May 1995 07:42:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 May 95 07:42 PDT Message-Id: <9505180742.AA11938@sage.acti.com> Received: from acti.com by sage.acti.com; Thu, 18 May 95 07:42 PDT X-Sender: dan@sage X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 1395 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@webcom.com From: dan@acti.com (Daniel J. McCoy) Subject: Re: Flyer Listserv? Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk > Hey some of us are still using the trusty Toaster 4000 without >the Flyer. Recently this list has had a majority of the chit chat >relating to the Flyer. I know there are things to talk about but for >me it does nothing but keeps me informed about the operations of the >Flyer. > How about another listserv for the Flyer and keep the Toaster >stuff here. Also in the Lightwave group it appears the Flyer is >creeping in there too. On Webcom, I can easily set up a third mailing list. But looking at it on the standpoint of traffic, the Toaster/Flyer list is pretty quiet. IF enough people request a separation of the two, I'll consider it. Since none of the mailing lists are moderated, it is possible for someone to post unrelated material to that list. Heck. Jump over to the LightWave newsgroup and you'll find that the charter has been ignored for the most part. I place it up to the individuals to keep topics in line with what the mailing lists were meant for but stay messages will creep in, especially when someone is desparate for answers (I'm sure we've all been there. :) ). Ain't no way I'll moderate all of these things. :) So, if enough of you want to separate the Toaster and Flyer discussions to separate lists, let me know. It's a matter of 5 minutes worth of setup. :) Dan -- Daniel J. McCoy | djmccoy@primenet.com or netcom.com and dan@acti.com -- dan@acti.com (Daniel J. McCoy) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 18 09:32:07 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA299864726; Thu, 18 May 1995 09:32:07 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from picture.gov.nb.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA299654718; Thu, 18 May 1995 09:31:58 -0700 Received: from DATACNTR.DSS.GOV.NB.CA by picture.gov.nb.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.05) id AA29415; Thu, 18 May 1995 13:30:38 -0300 Reply-To: SteveCr@gov.nb.ca Received: by datacntr.dss.gov.nb.ca with Microsoft Mail id <2FBB771F@datacntr.dss.gov.nb.ca>; Thu, 18 May 95 13:34:39 ADT From: "Cruickshank, Steven (DSS)" To: 'TOASTER MAILING LIST' Subject: Re: Flyer Listserv Date: Thu, 18 May 95 13:34:00 ADT Message-Id: <2FBB771F@datacntr.dss.gov.nb.ca> Encoding: 9 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk I personally don't object to the people with Flyers posting to this list. I don't own a Flyer myself (just the Toaster for now) but enjoy reading about how the flyer is coming along. Hell, without the posts from the Flyer people this list would be pretty much left for dead. So I welcome all the owners of a Flyer and I think this is as good a place as any to post your Flyer related questions/comments/answers. :-) Steven Cruickshank -- "Cruickshank, Steven (DSS)" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 18 11:53:33 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA037993213; Thu, 18 May 1995 11:53:33 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA037913203; Thu, 18 May 1995 11:53:23 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA21134; Thu, 18 May 1995 15:57:53 -0300 Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 15:57:53 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: "Cruickshank, Steven (DSS)" Cc: 'TOASTER MAILING LIST' Subject: Re: Flyer Listserv In-Reply-To: <2FBB771F@datacntr.dss.gov.nb.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 18 May 1995, Cruickshank, Steven (DSS) wrote: > > I personally don't object to the people with Flyers posting to this > list. I don't own a Flyer myself (just the Toaster for now) but enjoy > reading about how the flyer is coming along. Hell, without the posts from > the Flyer people this list would be pretty much left for dead. So I welcome > all the owners of a Flyer and I think this is as good a place as any to post > your Flyer related questions/comments/answers. :-) > I think that many of us subscribe to both lists, and in the mix, don't notice how light traffic is on the Toaster side. Toaster is a part of Flyer after all, or is it the other way round. Anyway, perhaps it would be neat to have a Flyer only list, anticipating the growth in interest as NewTek developes into this aspect of video production technology. Whatever! Cheers - Ian -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 19 00:32:45 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA291478765; Fri, 19 May 1995 00:32:45 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.globalone.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA291418762; Fri, 19 May 1995 00:32:42 -0700 From: davewarner@globalone.net Received: from shell.globalone.net (davewarner@shell.globalone.net [198.69.121.31]) by mail.globalone.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA00680 for ; Fri, 19 May 1995 03:35:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 03:35:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Flyer Listserv? To: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 18 May 1995, Randy Cadwell wrote: > How about another listserv for the Flyer and keep the Toaster > stuff here. Also in the Lightwave group it appears the Flyer is > creeping in there too. I'd like to see Flyer coverage stay right here....the Flyer is essentially a Toaster enhancement for now, so it seems most appropriate to keep Flyer talk here. Once the WinNT Flyer starts shipping then it'll be a different story, but for now I cast my vote to keep it here. -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 19 00:39:12 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA292279152; Fri, 19 May 1995 00:39:12 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA292219146; Fri, 19 May 1995 00:39:06 -0700 Received: from hobo.online.portal.com (hobo.online.portal.com [156.151.5.5]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA20570 for ; Fri, 19 May 1995 00:41:20 -0700 From: KyleW@cup.portal.com Received: (pccop@localhost) by hobo.online.portal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id AAA02379 for toaster@webcom.com; Fri, 19 May 1995 00:41:19 -0700 To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: need upgrade info Lines: 28 Date: Fri, 19 May 95 00:41:19 PDT Message-Id: <9505190041.3.2339@cup.portal.com> X-Origin: The Portal System (TM) Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk I need some info on a Toaster upgrade.... I do some volunteer work in a mini-studio at my church. They have a A2500 with a Toaster v1.0 and 1.0 software. I've been trying to work up to a later version and started with the OS. Got a multi-start-II and a 2.04 chip, a Super Denise, the new 2630 roms, 2091 roms and Workbench 2.1. The 1.0 software would not install or run on the 2.1 system. By elimination I found I could run under the 2.04 rom if I pulled out the super denise and booted from a 1.3 hard drive. I then got a great deal on a Toaster 3.0/3.1 software upgrade package. While trying to install it it gives a "out of memory" error on disk 25 of 29. W e have 7 megs on board. I bought a Supra ram card to bring us up to 9 megs and it still says "out of memory" on disk #25. If it is really a memory problem I woul d think it would make it a little further and the 2 meg upgrade. Does anyone know what is happening? What are the minimum requirements to run Toaster v3.0? I found NewTek's FTP site and tried the listed email address (for FTP problems) but didn't get a reply. I can't spend a whole lot of long distance to them if I can avoid it. Thanks for your time and help, ////////////////////////////// /// /// /// Kyle Widener /// /// KyleW@cup.portal.com /// /// "I Breathe In ZModem!" /// /// /// ////////////////////////////// -- KyleW@cup.portal.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 19 02:28:47 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA076425727; Fri, 19 May 1995 02:28:47 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mickey.risd.edu by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA076355721; Fri, 19 May 1995 02:28:41 -0700 Received: from minnie by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA22921; Fri, 19 May 1995 05:31:59 -0400 Received: by minnie.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA12366; Fri, 19 May 1995 05:33:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 05:30:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: Out of phase Flyer! To: Ian Lancaster Cc: toaster In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk > At this point I'm not sure what to call the software. The CDROM that came > with the Flyer was .94, but then I borrowed the next release (while waiting > for my copy to arrive, which was then cancelled). I then obtained the two > floppies known as 4.03 (could not remember how to work DMS!) and put > this little fix on. I am now waiting for the CDROM that is just being > released, along with a free CD of goodies! I'm not sure what they call > this version. I call it what I had up till Monday. You've proboly noticed a really messed-up interface in a couple places, an TPaint's kinda wierd (part of the interface is missing), effects/controls is empty, no ChromaFX, ect. Many of the problems I had were fixed with 4.03... BTW, the free goodies CD won;t arrive until 4.1 in about 4 weeks (more or less... I like being pesemistic...) -- Joe -- Joe Angell posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 19 06:49:10 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA158011350; Fri, 19 May 1995 06:49:10 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA157901339; Fri, 19 May 1995 06:49:02 -0700 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA150651517; Fri, 19 May 1995 09:51:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 09:51:57 -0400 From: RFCoates@aol.com Message-Id: <950519095156_124284168@aol.com> To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Out of phase Flyer! Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Ian, have you also run FlyerCalibrate? You sometimes have to run it a numer of times, but it is suppose to correct this type of thing. I had a similar problem and the second run through wtih FlyerCalibrate took care of it. Robert Coates -- RFCoates@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 19 07:45:14 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA180884714; Fri, 19 May 1995 07:45:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from picture.gov.nb.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA096324365; Fri, 19 May 1995 04:52:45 -0700 Received: from DATACNTR.DSS.GOV.NB.CA by picture.gov.nb.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.05) id AA32470; Fri, 19 May 1995 08:51:44 -0300 Reply-To: SteveCr@gov.nb.ca Received: by datacntr.dss.gov.nb.ca with Microsoft Mail id <2FBC873E@datacntr.dss.gov.nb.ca>; Fri, 19 May 95 08:55:42 ADT From: "Cruickshank, Steven (DSS)" To: 'TOASTER MAILING LIST' Subject: Re: Flyer listserv Date: Fri, 19 May 95 08:55:00 ADT Message-Id: <2FBC873E@datacntr.dss.gov.nb.ca> Encoding: 27 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk > I think that many of us subscribe to both lists, and in the mix, don't notice >how light traffic is on the Toaster side. Toaster is a part of Flyer after >all, or is it the other way round. Anyway, perhaps it would be neat to have >a Flyer only list, anticipating the growth in interest as NewTek developes >into this aspect of video production technology. Whatever! Well, I do agree with you in some respect but the volume of posts to the toaster list is not that high of volume at the moment. And many of us do subscribe to both lists and people seem to post their messages to both lists to be heard. I don't want to read the same message 3 times about the same thing. You may say that people should post Toaster related stuff to the Toaster list and Flyer related stuff to the Flyer list and Lightwave related stuff to the Lightwave list but the reality is that never happens. People want to be heard and will post wherever they feel it is appropriate. Maybe with the new release of the Toaster, the list will start to get busier, and maybe then it would be a good time to break the Flyer discussion into another group, but right now I am happy just the way it is. B.T.W. Dan does it cost you any more to start up another list??? If so, we have to consider that Dan has been dishing the money out of his own pocket and I don't think it is fair to ask Dan to supervise another list and pay the added expense. Steven Cruickshank -- Daniel J. McCoy BIX: dmccoy Internet : djmccoy@primenet.com, djmccoy@netcom.com, dan@acti.com -- "Cruickshank, Steven (DSS)" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 19 09:00:26 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA211799226; Fri, 19 May 1995 09:00:26 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA211729221; Fri, 19 May 1995 09:00:21 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA25983; Fri, 19 May 1995 13:04:55 -0300 Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 13:04:55 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: RFCoates@aol.com Cc: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Out of phase Flyer! In-Reply-To: <950519095156_124284168@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 19 May 1995 RFCoates@aol.com wrote: > Ian, have you also run FlyerCalibrate? You sometimes have to run it a numer > of times, but it is suppose to correct this type of thing. I had a similar I was running both AutoHue and FlyerCalibrate 'till I was magenta in the face. On checking the Flyer configuration, I wondered if perhaps I was creating this problem in the set-up. I traced the path of the sync signal, and it is possible the problem was caused by a double termination on input 1 of the Toaster - the signal was also terminate in a TBC. Anyway, turning termination off, and running FlyerCalibrate again seems to have solved the problem - for the moment. Many thank to all for your assistance and helpfull comments - Ian -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 19 09:12:39 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA216609959; Fri, 19 May 1995 09:12:39 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kaiwan.kaiwan.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA216489952; Fri, 19 May 1995 09:12:32 -0700 Received: from kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (212@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com [198.178.203.9]) by kaiwan.kaiwan.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA17061 for ; Fri, 19 May 1995 09:15:22 -0700 *** KAIWAN Internet Access *** Received: (from mchang@localhost) by kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA01866; Fri, 19 May 1995 09:15:26 -0700 *** KAIWAN Internet Access *** Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 09:15:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Chang To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: VT 4.0 SW Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know the shipping date for Toaster Software 4.0? I placed an order 2 weeks ago (and was promised 3 day max) and now the dealer says NewTek won't ship till June?!?! Am I being misled? ,+------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+| | Mark C. K. Chang Faith Academy 85|| | Embedded Systems Software Engineer CSUF 91|+ | Creative Integrated Systems Inc. AACF Alumni|' | mchang@kaiwan.com, mark.chang@solar.org, http://www.kaiwan.com/~mchang |' +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- Mark Chang posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 19 10:20:21 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA244044021; Fri, 19 May 1995 10:20:21 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from sage.acti.com by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA243954012; Fri, 19 May 1995 10:20:12 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 95 08:43 PDT Message-Id: <9505191020.AA15921@sage.acti.com> Received: from acti.com by sage.acti.com; Fri, 19 May 95 08:43 PDT X-Sender: dan@sage X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 913 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@webcom.com From: dan@acti.com (Daniel J. McCoy) Subject: Re: Flyer listserv Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk >B.T.W. Dan does it cost you any more to start up another list??? If so, we >have to consider that Dan has been dishing the money out of his own pocket >and I don't think it is fair to ask Dan to supervise another list and pay >the added expense. Setting up another mailing list is no problem. I only pay a monthly service charge plus any extra disk or bandwidth used to send and receive mailing list messages (plus the WWW page I can dink with which could be fun). Setting it up would take all but 5 minutes. What it WON'T stop though is cross-posts. Now instead of the possibility to see a message in TWO mailing lists, you may see them in THREE if you've subscribed to all three. So far, of the four who've said yea or nea, it's about 3 to 1 (in favor of keeping the two together). But I'll be keeping my eyes open. :) Dan -- Daniel J. McCoy | djmccoy@primenet.com or netcom.com and dan@acti.com -- dan@acti.com (Daniel J. McCoy) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 19 15:26:37 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA015402397; Fri, 19 May 1995 15:26:37 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix3.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA015322392; Fri, 19 May 1995 15:26:32 -0700 Received: from by ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id OAA16234; Fri, 19 May 1995 14:49:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 14:49:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199505192149.OAA16234@ix3.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Fwd: VT 4.0 SW To: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Mark Chang wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know the shipping date for Toaster Software 4.0? I placed an order 2 weeks ago (and was promised 3 day max) and now the dealer says NewTek won't ship till June?!?! Am I being misled? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I am a little confused about this Toaster 4.0 software update. As a Flyer user, I received the final release of the Flyer software (4.03) and according to the packaging, manuals and CD Rom, our software is for both Flyer and Toaster, actually, everyting says "Toaster 4.0". It looks that now, the same software is for both Toaster and Flyer, Flyer options are installed and configured only if a Flyer card is detected. I think Newtek has tried to standardize the Flyer/Toaster software as one single system so third party developpers and user of both systems won't pull their hair when going back and forth between Flyer and Toaster. Thierry. Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 19 17:39:51 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA057330391; Fri, 19 May 1995 17:39:51 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from bos1g.delphi.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA057180385; Fri, 19 May 1995 17:39:45 -0700 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HQP8DILCLC93MKB9@delphi.com>; Fri, 19 May 1995 20:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 20:42:40 -0400 (EDT) From: MADVIDEO@delphi.com Subject: Flyer Listserv Tapes 4.03 To: Toaster@webcom.com Message-Id: <01HQP8DILCLE93MKB9@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: INTERNET"Toaster@webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Flyer List Serv The Flyer is currently part of the Toaster. Many of you who do not have a Flyer will be upgrading to system 4.0 soon and you will encounter many of the problems mentioned by the Flyer owners now. The the Flyer comes out for the PC that would be a good time to seperate the lists Tape Backup DAT backup doesn't give you much room Exabyte takes too much time (14hrs for a 9 gig;thats on 2 tapes) The solution is the DLT by Digital, but the cost is over $5k The Flyer doesn't allow for compression even if you drive has it enabled. 4.03 Problems you will find when you install 4.03 If you are installing from .94 you will need to reformat your drives for best performance, and you will also need to re digitize you clips, because they wont sequence correctly. If you are upgtading from 4.02 you may experience some of the problems as if you upgraded from .94 so it would be a good idea to ********ReFormat - ReCalibrate - ReDigitize********** Another hint when using the Flyer. When you want to perform any function to a drive on a Flyer bus, do it thru the Flyer. Icons are not automatically copied when in Amiga Dos, and you will have many formatting errors(Formatting thru Amiga Dos also destroys the purpose of the flyer having its own buses. Lightwave Alpha Animation / Amiga Re-Animation / Flyer Test-Pilot MADVideo2delphi.com -- MADVIDEO@delphi.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 19 17:40:37 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA057620436; Fri, 19 May 1995 17:40:37 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from bos1f.delphi.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA057470429; Fri, 19 May 1995 17:40:29 -0700 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HQP8E9K0ZA93MKB9@delphi.com>; Fri, 19 May 1995 20:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 20:43:15 -0400 (EDT) From: MADVIDEO@delphi.com Subject: Flyer Listserv Tapes 4.03 To: Toaster@webcom.com Message-Id: <01HQP8E9KAMW93MKB9@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: INTERNET"Toaster@webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Flyer List Serv The Flyer is currently part of the Toaster. Many of you who do not have a Flyer will be upgrading to system 4.0 soon and you will encounter many of the problems mentioned by the Flyer owners now. The the Flyer comes out for the PC that would be a good time to seperate the lists Tape Backup DAT backup doesn't give you much room Exabyte takes too much time (14hrs for a 9 gig;thats on 2 tapes) The solution is the DLT by Digital, but the cost is over $5k The Flyer doesn't allow for compression even if you drive has it enabled. 4.03 Problems you will find when you install 4.03 If you are installing from .94 you will need to reformat your drives for best performance, and you will also need to re digitize you clips, because they wont sequence correctly. If you are upgtading from 4.02 you may experience some of the problems as if you upgraded from .94 so it would be a good idea to ********ReFormat - ReCalibrate - ReDigitize********** Another hint when using the Flyer. When you want to perform any function to a drive on a Flyer bus, do it thru the Flyer. Icons are not automatically copied when in Amiga Dos, and you will have many formatting errors(Formatting thru Amiga Dos also destroys the purpose of the flyer having its own buses. Lightwave Alpha Animation / Amiga Re-Animation / Flyer Test-Pilot MADVideo2delphi.com -- MADVIDEO@delphi.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sat May 20 09:44:27 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA032948267; Sat, 20 May 1995 09:44:27 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from phoenix.net (phoenix.phoenix.net) by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA133065421; Fri, 19 May 1995 21:50:21 -0700 Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial29.phoenix.net [199.3.234.64]) by phoenix.net (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA01847 for ; Fri, 19 May 1995 23:46:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 May 95 23:31:53 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Anims for the Flyer To: toaster@webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Problem: We have a bunch of animations stored as individual frames. I'm looking for a way (software package or trick) to create an anim file that can be used with the flyer. The only way I can think of is using lighwave, load the sequential images as backgounds and save the anim through lighwave. There must be a utility out there that will do this. Help! ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg - Production Manager Computer Television Network jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sat May 20 10:41:03 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA045981663; Sat, 20 May 1995 10:41:03 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.primenet.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA045911659; Sat, 20 May 1995 10:40:59 -0700 Received: from mcbones (ip005.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.5]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-h2.0) with SMTP id KAA02634; Sat, 20 May 1995 10:44:00 -0700 Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 10:44:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199505201744.KAA02634@mailhost.primenet.com> X-Sender: djmccoy@smtp.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lightwave@webcom.com From: djmccoy@primenet.com (Daniel J. McCoy) Subject: Admin: Possible Subscription Change/Removal Policy Cc: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk To make sure I use as little bandwidth as possible on Webcom and throughout the net, I may make some policies in regards to trouble addresses. Currently, I get bounces back for configuration problems at the other end, deferred connects, unknown users, unknown hosts, email box full, and more. Here's what I'm thinking of doing: Configuration problems at other end - These can such problems as "too many hops". I will email the troubled address and/or postmaster at that site. If no response in 48 hours or less, that address will be removed. Deferred connects - Not much I'll do. These happen frequently but e-mail does go through later. Unknown users - Unsubscribed from the list(s) Unknown hosts - Only one of those so far and that's from NiftyServe, an e-mail gateway to Japan. I haven't asked the user if e-mail is being received yet. If I can't resolve the host name and after e-mailing the user and/or postmaster and getting no response (I'll check the address three different ways/places), that address will be removed. Email box full - If this problem is persistant, that address will be removed from the Normal list and moved to the DIGEST list. Most problematic addresses are AOL users that don't keep up. :) I'd also like to remind everyone that subscription/unsubscription requests should be sent to the address in the footer to all mailing list messages (x-request@webcom.com where x is lightwave, toaster, lightwave-digest or toaster-digest). Sending them anywhere else will result in the possiblity that your request will take longer than expected or be ignored (but not on purpose). On Netcom, I would post weekly reminders. Since the footer to each message includes most of the information I'd post in each weekly reminder message, I probably won't be doing the same here. The only information NOT posted periodically are the other sites that have LightWave information. I supposed I can post that periodically. :) That's all! Have fun and render/model 'till ya drop! Dan -- Daniel J. McCoy - djmccoy@primenet.com or dan@acti.com -- djmccoy@primenet.com (Daniel J. McCoy) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sat May 20 21:11:12 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA203669472; Sat, 20 May 1995 21:11:12 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA203599465; Sat, 20 May 1995 21:11:06 -0700 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA183069648; Sun, 21 May 1995 00:14:08 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 00:14:08 -0400 From: RFCoates@aol.com Message-Id: <950521001406_125890061@aol.com> To: jbctn@phoenix.net Cc: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Anims for the Flyer Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk John, if what you are wanting to do is play the anims back with the Flyer you need to convert them to FLYER Clips. If you have version 4.0 or greater just go to the AREXX drawer and select the IFF2Clip script (double click on the icon) It will then ask you for a base name and the name of the clip you want built. It will then read in the frames and build a FLYER clip. The frames must be numbered sequentially. The script in the AREXX drawer BTW is much faster than doing it thorught TPaint. If you want the images to be full screen they must be 752x480 images. Hope this helps Robert Coates -- RFCoates@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sat May 20 21:33:17 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA208950797; Sat, 20 May 1995 21:33:17 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA208870791; Sat, 20 May 1995 21:33:12 -0700 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA212990974; Sun, 21 May 1995 00:36:14 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 00:36:14 -0400 From: ALugones@aol.com Message-Id: <950521003612_126117388@aol.com> To: jbctn@phoenix.net, toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Anims for the Flyer Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk John Bourg writes: >Problem: We have a bunch of animations stored as individual >frames. I'm >looking for a way (software package or trick) to create an >anim file that >can be used with the flyer. The only way I can think of is >using lighwave, >load the sequential images as backgounds and save the anim >through lighwave. >There must be a utility out there that will do this. Help! There is another way to do this and a bit faster. Enter toasterpaint to activate it and exit without closing it down. Then under program/files find the AREXX folder for the switcher and pull out the IFF2CLIP.Rexx icon. Place it in the program half of the screen. Double click on it and follow the instructions. Make sure all your images are labeled BASENAME.###. NOTE: the period between the basename and numbers. Alex Vantage Point, Inc. -- ALugones@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sat May 20 22:07:49 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA215382869; Sat, 20 May 1995 22:07:49 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kitten.mcs.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA215262864; Sat, 20 May 1995 22:07:44 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA10601; Sun, 21 May 1995 00:10:42 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Sun, 21 May 95 00:10 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Sun, 21 May 95 00:10 CDT Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 00:10:40 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: Anims for the Flyer To: John Bourg Cc: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 19 May 1995, John Bourg wrote: > Problem: We have a bunch of animations stored as individual frames. I'm > looking for a way (software package or trick) to create an anim file that > can be used with the flyer. The only way I can think of is using lighwave, > load the sequential images as backgounds and save the anim through lighwave. > There must be a utility out there that will do this. Help! Just use the built-in Arexx macro IFF2Clip.rexx. It's in your Arexx/Editor drawer, and it will let you select the base name for your IFF files, and then build the clip for you. ,-------------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank johnc@mcs.com / ( MicroTech Solutions, Inc. ( \ http://www.mcs.net/~johnc/www/MicroTech.html \ `-------------------------------------------------------` -- "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sat May 20 22:46:59 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA223425219; Sat, 20 May 1995 22:46:59 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.globalone.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA223355214; Sat, 20 May 1995 22:46:54 -0700 From: davewarner@globalone.net Received: from shell.globalone.net (davewarner@shell.globalone.net [198.69.121.31]) by mail.globalone.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA21757 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 01:49:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 01:49:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Anims for the Flyer To: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: <950521001406_125890061@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 21 May 1995 RFCoates@aol.com wrote: > John, if what you are wanting to do is play the anims back with the Flyer you > need to convert them to FLYER Clips. If you have version 4.0 or greater just > go to the AREXX drawer and select the IFF2Clip script (double click on the > icon) It will then ask you for a base name and the name of the clip you want > built. It will then read in the frames and build a FLYER clip. The frames > must be numbered sequentially. The script in the AREXX drawer BTW is much > faster than doing it thorught TPaint. If you want the images to be full > screen they must be 752x480 images. Does anyone know if I must have a Flyer installed in my system in order to create Flyer clips?? I have access to a Flyer at a client's house and I want to start using his equipment to record my anims to tape, but I haven't come up with a reasonable solution to actually getting my rendered images into his Flyer! If I could convert my images to a Flyer clip with my Toaster setup and then transfer the Flyer clip to his machine (via modem?) it would probably be a LOT easier to do than transferring a couple hundred megs of 24bit images to his machine! -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sun May 21 06:20:59 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA275312459; Sun, 21 May 1995 06:20:59 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA270162381; Sun, 21 May 1995 06:19:41 -0700 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id GAA26172; Sun, 21 May 1995 06:21:57 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 06:21:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199505211321.GAA26172@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Converting DPaint anims to Flyer clips To: toaster@webcom.com To: lightwave@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any idea on how I could convert DPaint animation into Flyer Clips? Did somebody wrote a macro or is someone thinking about writing one to do that? Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sun May 21 17:01:11 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA211210871; Sun, 21 May 1995 17:01:11 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from bos1h.delphi.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA211150867; Sun, 21 May 1995 17:01:07 -0700 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HQRZLJVEIO8ZTMLJ@delphi.com>; Sun, 21 May 1995 20:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 20:04:09 -0400 (EDT) From: MADVIDEO@delphi.com Subject: Re: Anims for the Flyer To: davewarner@globalone.net, Toaster@webcom.com Message-Id: <01HQRZLJVEIQ8ZTMLJ@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: IN%"davewarner@globalone.net" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"Toaster@webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk This is something I do all the time. I took a spare scsi drive (500megs) put it in an EXT case and hooked it up to one of the Flyer busses. You can pigtail the drive if you have a loop thru on you main HD case and if you have a centronics to centronics cable. Flyer format the drive and go into the Storage dos driver drawer and double click on the correct icon (FC5, if the drive is hooked up to the Flyer C bus on SCSI ID 5). Then copy the clip to this new drive and 'Move it on over'. remember the ID on your system so you can open up the disk on the other system. If you don't remember just open Flyer format and you will see it ( BUT DON'T FORMAT IT). You can also use a SyQuest or Bernoulli, to move the clips. You will always get the best results if you hook it up to the Flyer bus, not the Amiga SCSI bus. Also most 4000 owners don't have an Amiga DOS SCSI driver. Also make sure you are both running the same version of the Flyer software and you both have the Flyer drives formatted under the sane Flyer version. Alpha Lightwave Animator / Amiga Re-Animator / Flyer Test Pilot -- MADVIDEO@delphi.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sun May 21 18:26:02 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA226655962; Sun, 21 May 1995 18:26:02 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kitten.mcs.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA225525750; Sun, 21 May 1995 18:22:30 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA19720; Sun, 21 May 1995 20:25:34 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Sun, 21 May 95 20:25 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Sun, 21 May 95 20:25 CDT Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 20:25:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: Converting DPaint anims to Flyer clips To: Thierry Humeau Cc: toaster@webcom.com, lightwave@webcom.com In-Reply-To: <199505211321.GAA26172@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 21 May 1995, Thierry Humeau wrote: > Does anyone have any idea on how I could convert DPaint animation into > Flyer Clips? Did somebody wrote a macro or is someone thinking about > writing one to do that? DPaint IV will let you save an animation as a .anim file (default), or as separate name.nn IFF's from the Project menu. Then just use the Flyer IFF2Clip macro in the Arexx/Editor drawer to build them back into a Flyer clip. Of course, if they are not 752x480, you should scale them to that size first, for proper display on the Toaster. ,-------------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank johnc@mcs.com / ( MicroTech Solutions, Inc. ( \ http://www.mcs.net/~johnc/www/MicroTech.html \ `-------------------------------------------------------` -- "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sun May 21 20:36:28 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA254993788; Sun, 21 May 1995 20:36:28 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from phoenix.net (phoenix.phoenix.net) by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA254923783; Sun, 21 May 1995 20:36:23 -0700 Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial80.phoenix.net [199.3.234.122]) by phoenix.net (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA20589; Sun, 21 May 1995 22:32:20 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 May 95 22:35:53 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Anims for the Flyer To: RFCoates@aol.com Cc: toaster@webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for the info. I've tried the IFF2Clip script and it does work but too slow. On the other hand I had not tried the AREXX scirpt. Your right this is more what I had in mind. Thanks. On Sun, 21 May 1995 00:14:08 -0400 RFCoates@aol.com wrote: >John, if what you are wanting to do is play the anims back with the Flyer you >need to convert them to FLYER Clips. If you have version 4.0 or greater just >go to the AREXX drawer and select the IFF2Clip script (double click on the >icon) It will then ask you for a base name and the name of the clip you want >built. It will then read in the frames and build a FLYER clip. The frames >must be numbered sequentially. The script in the AREXX drawer BTW is much >faster than doing it thorught TPaint. If you want the images to be full >screen they must be 752x480 images. > >Hope this helps > >Robert Coates > ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg - Production Manager Computer Television Network jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sun May 21 21:27:13 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA265456833; Sun, 21 May 1995 21:27:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from everest.pinn.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA265376822; Sun, 21 May 1995 21:27:02 -0700 Received: (manueld@localhost) by everest.pinn.net (8.6.12/8.6.4) id AAA22189; Mon, 22 May 1995 00:29:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 00:29:29 -0500 (EST) From: Manuel DeSantos To: davewarner@globalone.net Cc: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Anims for the Flyer In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 21 May 1995 davewarner@globalone.net wrote: > > > Does anyone know if I must have a Flyer installed in my system in order > to create Flyer clips?? I have access to a Flyer at a client's house and > I want to start using his equipment to record my anims to tape, but I > haven't come up with a reasonable solution to actually getting my > rendered images into his Flyer! If I could convert my images to a Flyer > clip with my Toaster setup and then transfer the Flyer clip to his > machine (via modem?) it would probably be a LOT easier to do than > transferring a couple hundred megs of 24bit images to his machine! > > -David Warner > Event Horizon Graphics > You could save an Anim in Lightwave and if you had an Iomega Zip Drive you could just put it on one of those. You could also send the file over the modem but that could take a long time even on a 28.8... I just save the frames on my 3000 and use the VBS video backup system and bring that to my friends flyer and use them as background images and save them as a VT4000 anim direct to his flyer. Manuel Desantos -- Manuel DeSantos posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sun May 21 21:29:49 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA266036989; Sun, 21 May 1995 21:29:49 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from everest.pinn.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA265976982; Sun, 21 May 1995 21:29:42 -0700 Received: (manueld@localhost) by everest.pinn.net (8.6.12/8.6.4) id AAA22254; Mon, 22 May 1995 00:32:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 00:32:08 -0500 (EST) From: Manuel DeSantos To: Thierry Humeau Cc: toaster@webcom.com, lightwave@webcom.com Subject: Re: Converting DPaint anims to Flyer clips In-Reply-To: <199505211321.GAA26172@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 21 May 1995, Thierry Humeau wrote: > Does anyone have any idea on how I could convert DPaint animation into > Flyer Clips? Did somebody wrote a macro or is someone thinking about > writing one to do that? > > Thierry. You could use Image FX to convert the Anim into individual frames. It is a macro called BustAnim. Then you use the sequence as a background image in Lightwave and save it as a VT4000 anim. Manuel Desantos -- Manuel DeSantos posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sun May 21 23:03:18 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA280282598; Sun, 21 May 1995 23:03:18 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.globalone.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA280222592; Sun, 21 May 1995 23:03:12 -0700 From: davewarner@globalone.net Received: from shell.globalone.net (davewarner@shell.globalone.net [198.69.121.31]) by mail.globalone.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA31676 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 02:06:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 02:06:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Anims for the Flyer To: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 21 May 1995, Eric Case wrote: > Yes you need the flyer card to make clips at this time and I don't think > NewTek will tell people how VTASC works and let them do it in software. :( Crap! I was hoping that maybe ToasterPaint in the Toaster System 4.0 would have VTASC encoding capabilities so that I could use my Toaster to encode the frames to Flyer Clip format and then just transfer the clip via modem or something. > I think this could be the best way > to go for you as well as you could also take a clip a split it up into > singl frames on the drive and then use it in your anims. I have plenty of hard drive storage (4 gigs on 3 Amigas) but I don't have any REAL animation playback solution...still using a crappy old DCTV and a fast hard drive to do 30 fps at a resolution of 736x241. > The only other > thing I can think of would be to take you scene file and objects over to > his house and render it on his flyer. Hope some of this helps. :) Definitely not an option...some of these anims took nearly a month to render using two 040 based Amigas. This guy has an A4000/040 which is probably only half the speed of my slowest 040 machine. Sigh...I guess I'm just gonna have to buy a Flyer or a PVR or something. Thanks anyways for the help though! -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 22 00:21:05 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA298287265; Mon, 22 May 1995 00:21:05 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.globalone.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA298207260; Mon, 22 May 1995 00:21:00 -0700 From: davewarner@globalone.net Received: from shell.globalone.net (davewarner@shell.globalone.net [198.69.121.31]) by mail.globalone.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA32154 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 03:24:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 03:24:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Anims for the Flyer To: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 May 1995, Manuel DeSantos wrote: > You could save an Anim in Lightwave and if you had an Iomega Zip Drive > you could just put it on one of those. You could also send the file over > the modem but that could take a long time even on a 28.8... But doesn't the Flyer use a different anim format for it's VTASC clips than the standard LW.anim format?? I haven't tried this, but I really doubt it would be THIS easy....have you actually done this? > I just save the frames on my 3000 and use the VBS video backup system and > bring that to my friends flyer and use them as background images and save > them as a VT4000 anim direct to his flyer. I'm probably gonna end up doing something like this...I was gonna purchase the same type of DAT drive that is on the client's Flyer system and use that to transfer IFFs, but from what I've seen, the DAT drive is slow as molasses...I doubt if the VBS is gonna set any speed records itself, but it's certainly a lot cheaper! I will restore the IFFs to his machine and use IFF2CLIP to convert them into a Flyer Clip. I just wish there were a way to convert my IFFs to a Flyer Clip without a Flyer, so that I could then transfer this one big file to the other machine, as opposed to the hundreds or thousands of frames I'll hafta transfer as IFFs....one bad file during the restore and I'll be screwed. NewTek are you listening??? Maybe if I put on my red sequined slippers, tape my heels together and say "There's no place like home...there's no place like...." Oh damn, that only works when you get whisked away by a tornado! =) Sigggghhhhhhhhh...... -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 22 06:05:23 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA216987922; Mon, 22 May 1995 06:05:23 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from everest.pinn.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA215887908; Mon, 22 May 1995 06:05:08 -0700 Received: (manueld@localhost) by everest.pinn.net (8.6.12/8.6.4) id JAA02318; Mon, 22 May 1995 09:07:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:07:29 -0500 (EST) From: Manuel DeSantos To: davewarner@globalone.net Cc: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Anims for the Flyer In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 May 1995 davewarner@globalone.net wrote: > > > On Mon, 22 May 1995, Manuel DeSantos wrote: > > > You could save an Anim in Lightwave and if you had an Iomega Zip Drive > > you could just put it on one of those. You could also send the file over > > the modem but that could take a long time even on a 28.8... > > But doesn't the Flyer use a different anim format for it's VTASC clips > than the standard LW.anim format?? I haven't tried this, but I really > doubt it would be THIS easy....have you actually done this? > I have not tried this yet but I will try it tonite and see what happens. > > > Sigggghhhhhhhhh...... > > -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics Manuel Desantos.... -- Manuel DeSantos posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 22 08:51:30 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA017487890; Mon, 22 May 1995 08:51:30 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kitten.mcs.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA017417885; Mon, 22 May 1995 08:51:25 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA29233; Mon, 22 May 1995 10:54:24 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 22 May 95 10:54 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 22 May 95 10:54 CDT Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:54:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: Anims for the Flyer To: davewarner@globalone.net Cc: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 May 1995 davewarner@globalone.net wrote: > I have plenty of hard drive storage (4 gigs on 3 Amigas) but I don't have > any REAL animation playback solution...still using a crappy old DCTV and > a fast hard drive to do 30 fps at a resolution of 736x241. > > > > The only other > > thing I can think of would be to take you scene file and objects over to > > his house and render it on his flyer. Hope some of this helps. :) > > Definitely not an option...some of these anims took nearly a month to > render using two 040 based Amigas. This guy has an A4000/040 which is > probably only half the speed of my slowest 040 machine. Sigh...I guess > I'm just gonna have to buy a Flyer or a PVR or something. Thanks anyways > for the help though! You of course can bring your individual IFFs to the client, and compile them into a Flyer clip there. The IFF2clip macro works well for this, and doesn't take TOO long to do it, something like 200-250 frames per hour. Nova Design has said that they will eventually have an upgrade that reads/writes VTASC files, much the same as they can do now with the PAR. It's not there yet in ImageFX 2.1, so that doesn't help you right now, but you should keep your eyes open for that when it comes out... John ,-------------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank johnc@mcs.com / ( MicroTech Solutions, Inc. ( \ http://www.mcs.net/~johnc/www/MicroTech.html \ `-------------------------------------------------------` -- "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 22 16:06:13 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA187913973; Mon, 22 May 1995 16:06:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA187703965; Mon, 22 May 1995 16:06:07 -0700 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA165319356; Mon, 22 May 1995 09:29:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:29:16 -0400 From: RME3D@aol.com Message-Id: <950522092914_127335891@aol.com> To: rcadwell@ndsuext.nodak.edu, toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Flyer Listserv? SECRET!!! Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Shhhhhh its a secret... A lot of Flyer stuff, works with a 4000! I used my Flyer software with my 4000 (BEFORE) I installed the flyer board in my system... It seem that I had... 1) Auto sequencing of FRAMES, with effects 2) NEW Effects 3) NEW CG 4) NEW Paint (ALL WITHOUT THE FLYER BOARD) With the FLYER BOARD ADDED - I can do video editing -- RME3D@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 22 18:15:52 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA240431752; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:15:52 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA240361744; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:15:44 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA32959; Mon, 22 May 1995 22:20:34 -0300 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:20:34 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: toaster Subject: Flyer/Amiga OS? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Just before installing a Flyer system on a A2000, I was told that NewTek only supported the OS2.1. To simplify installation, I yanked the 3.1 ROM, replaced the 2.04 and installed the 2.1 OS. Now I'm wondering. Has anyone tried to run the Flyer under 3.1, or is it possible that NewTek might upgrade the system to include 3.1. Cheers - Ian Ian Lancaster ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca St. Francis Xavier University "Questions?" Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 22 18:34:52 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA248412892; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:34:52 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from sage.acti.com by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA248342886; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:34:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 95 18:34 PDT Message-Id: <9505221835.AA04160@sage.acti.com> Received: from acti.com by sage.acti.com; Mon, 22 May 95 18:34 PDT X-Sender: dan@sage X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 344 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@webcom.com From: dan@acti.com (Daniel J. McCoy) Subject: Downtime at Webcom tonight. Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Though I don't think it'll affect the mailing lists outside of slower e-mail response, Webcom will be down around 10:00pm tonight PST (Monday night) for upgrades and maintenance. If you experience strangeness with the mailing lists, you'll know why! :) Have fun, Dan -- Daniel J. McCoy | djmccoy@primenet.com or netcom.com and dan@acti.com -- dan@acti.com (Daniel J. McCoy) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 22 18:41:50 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA251523310; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:41:50 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from oit.gatech.edu by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA251453303; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:41:43 -0700 Received: (from taka@localhost) by oit.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA10017 for toaster@webcom.com; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:44:44 -0400 From: Taka.Torimoto@oit.gatech.edu (Taka Torimoto) Message-Id: <199505230144.VAA10017@oit.gatech.edu> Subject: QUestion about Toaster/Flyer 4000 system To: toaster@webcom.com Date: Mon, 22 May 95 21:44:44 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk What is the minimum requirement for a Toaster/Flyer setup on an Amiga 4000? CPU? RAM? Will it work fine with a 680EC030 and 8mb RAM? What is the minimum CPU and RAM configuration required, and recommended? Thanks -Taka -- Takahito "Dr.Love" Torimoto "I'm lost... I've gone to look for Georgia Tech Electrical Engineer Senior myself.. if I should return before Home Page: http://www.gatech.edu/taka I get back, please ask me to wait." -- Taka.Torimoto@oit.gatech.edu (Taka Torimoto) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 23 04:33:23 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA182218803; Tue, 23 May 1995 04:33:23 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix3.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA182148798; Tue, 23 May 1995 04:33:18 -0700 Received: from by ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id EAA08075; Tue, 23 May 1995 04:35:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 04:35:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199505231135.EAA08075@ix3.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Fwd: QUestion about Toaster/Flyer 4000 system To: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the minimum requirement for a Toaster/Flyer setup on an Amiga 4000? CPU? RAM? Will it work fine with a 680EC030 and 8mb RAM? What is the minimum CPU and RAM configuration required, and recommended? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I'd say 16 meg of Ram and a 68040 processor. The Flyer will work with a 68030 but it may be slow when processing clips or organizing the EDL prior to play back. thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 23 15:31:25 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA236618285; Tue, 23 May 1995 15:31:25 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from earth.usa.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA236538277; Tue, 23 May 1995 15:31:18 -0700 Received: (from kbethke@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id PAA18894 for toaster@webcom.com; Tue, 23 May 1995 15:39:57 -0600 From: Scotty bethke Reply-To: Scotty bethke Message-Id: <199505232139.PAA18894@earth.usa.net> Subject: 4.0 Install Q To: toaster@webcom.com Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 15:39:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 894 Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Hi Yall, Im trying to install my 4.0 CD on an Amiga without a flyer.. has anyone done this? This works fine on my flyer machine, but when I attemp use the CDROM drive, with the 4.0 CD, the system pukes. Its an A4000/040 using a 2091 SCSI Controler. ANY (and I do me ANY) Other CD I try (even audio) works great. Im running AmiCDROM cd-rom driver from AmiNET. I put the 4.0 CD in the drive and boot, the system hangs, and the read-light on the cdrom drive lights up and stays that way. Again, I can use ANY other cd-rom in this drive.. is the 4.0 disc a special filesystem that ONLY flyerscsi.device knows how to handle? TIA for any help!!! -Scotty -- -......................................................................- -Kenneth Scott Bethke :':':':':';':':':':':':':' Liquid Magic Productions- -............................410-208-2085..............................- -- Scotty bethke posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 23 15:50:13 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA245719413; Tue, 23 May 1995 15:50:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.globalone.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA245619404; Tue, 23 May 1995 15:50:04 -0700 From: davewarner@globalone.net Received: from shell.globalone.net (davewarner@shell.globalone.net [198.69.121.31]) by mail.globalone.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA04534 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 18:53:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 18:53:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Anims for the Flyer To: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 May 1995, John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc. wrote: > You of course can bring your individual IFFs to the client, and compile > them into a Flyer clip there. The IFF2clip macro works well for this, and > doesn't take TOO long to do it, something like 200-250 frames per hour. Easier said than done, since we would have to find some mutually compatible information transfer method for me to actually get the images to him...so far the cheapest, easiest suggestion has been to use the Video Backup System, since this is something the client already owns. > Nova Design has said that they will eventually have an upgrade that > reads/writes VTASC files, much the same as they can do now with the PAR. > It's not there yet in ImageFX 2.1, so that doesn't help you right now, > but you should keep your eyes open for that when it comes out... I wonder how a third-party software developer could pull this off when NewTek themselves can't make it happen with ToasterPaint!? I was hoping to be able to just use Iff2Clip with Tpaint on my Toaster, sans Flyer, to convert my IFFs to Flyer clips and then just transfer the clips to the Flyer system. The clips may not be much smaller, but they'll certainly be easier to transfer than all those IFFs! Ah well....I'm reconsidering this entire plan. I naively thought it would be an easy process to transfer my animation work to this guy's Flyer and make use of his system for editing, but this plan is just not panning out. I may have to fall back to Plan B, which is buy a used PAR and make do with it's "sub-standard" JPEG compression. Thanks John.... -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 23 19:02:39 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA038590959; Tue, 23 May 1995 19:02:39 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from phoenix.net (phoenix.phoenix.net) by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA038510954; Tue, 23 May 1995 19:02:34 -0700 Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial48.phoenix.net [199.3.234.87]) by phoenix.net (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA19740; Tue, 23 May 1995 20:58:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 May 95 21:02:55 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: RE: Flyer/Amiga OS? To: Ian Lancaster Cc: toaster@webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk We have a Flyer installed in a A3000 running OS 3.1 with no problems. On Mon, 22 May 1995 22:20:34 -0300 (ADT) Ian Lancaster wrote: >Just before installing a Flyer system on a A2000, I was told that NewTek >only supported the OS2.1. To simplify installation, I yanked the 3.1 ROM, >replaced the 2.04 and installed the 2.1 OS. Now I'm wondering. > >Has anyone tried to run the Flyer under 3.1, or is it possible that NewTek >might upgrade the system to include 3.1. > >Cheers - Ian > > Ian Lancaster ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca > St. Francis Xavier University "Questions?" > Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada > >-- >Ian Lancaster posted this message. >To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com >For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com >(DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com >Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com > ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg - Production Manager Computer Television Network jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 23 23:54:49 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA135168489; Tue, 23 May 1995 23:54:49 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kitten.mcs.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA135088484; Tue, 23 May 1995 23:54:44 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA18066; Wed, 24 May 1995 01:57:47 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 24 May 95 01:57 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 24 May 95 01:57 CDT Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 01:57:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: Anims for the Flyer To: davewarner@globalone.net Cc: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 23 May 1995 davewarner@globalone.net wrote: > On Mon, 22 May 1995, John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc. wrote: > > > You of course can bring your individual IFFs to the client, and compile > > them into a Flyer clip there. The IFF2clip macro works well for this, and > > doesn't take TOO long to do it, something like 200-250 frames per hour. > > Easier said than done, since we would have to find some mutually > compatible information transfer method for me to actually get the images > to him...so far the cheapest, easiest suggestion has been to use the > Video Backup System, since this is something the client already owns. I'm not sure of the difference, if you COULD create the Flyer anims yourself, you would have a single file that's a couple hundred megabytes in size. I suppose it would be easier to deal with a single file rather than a bunch of IFFs, and of course the anim file would be a little smaller than the sum of all the IFFs due to the compression. Either way, you would have to deal with the same transfer/media issue in any case. John. ,-------------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank johnc@mcs.com / ( MicroTech Solutions, Inc. ( \ http://www.mcs.net/~johnc/www/MicroTech.html \ `-------------------------------------------------------` -- "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 24 03:27:48 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA212541268; Wed, 24 May 1995 03:27:48 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.globalone.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA211541258; Wed, 24 May 1995 03:27:38 -0700 From: davewarner@globalone.net Received: from shell.globalone.net (davewarner@shell.globalone.net [198.69.121.31]) by mail.globalone.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA07262 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 06:30:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 06:30:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Anims for the Flyer To: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 24 May 1995, John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc. wrote: > > Easier said than done, since we would have to find some mutually > > compatible information transfer method for me to actually get the images > > to him...so far the cheapest, easiest suggestion has been to use the > > Video Backup System, since this is something the client already owns. > > I'm not sure of the difference, if you COULD create the Flyer anims > yourself, you would have a single file that's a couple hundred megabytes > in size. I suppose it would be easier to deal with a single file rather > than a bunch of IFFs, and of course the anim file would be a little smaller > than the sum of all the IFFs due to the compression. Either way, you > would have to deal with the same transfer/media issue in any case. True, the transfer things is still going to be a problem, however I would not have to involve the client in the process of converting all those IFFs to Flyer clips...if it takes an hour per 200 frames, then most of my anims are going to take 3 or more hours to convert...add that to the time it takes for tape restore and you're talking about a LONG time! It would definitely be easier to deal with 1 BIG file than 800 or more not-so-big files...if one frame gets corrupted during the transfer process then I'd be wasting a LOT of time! Anyways, I've pretty much abandoned my plans for making use of this guy's Flyer system...it's just not gonna be a practical solution for my animation recording problems. ...does anyone have a PAR for sale?? =) -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 24 05:17:45 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA295317865; Wed, 24 May 1995 05:17:45 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from picture.gov.nb.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA295237855; Wed, 24 May 1995 05:17:35 -0700 Received: from DATACNTR.DSS.GOV.NB.CA by picture.gov.nb.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.05) id AA06803; Wed, 24 May 1995 09:16:30 -0300 Reply-To: SteveCr@gov.nb.ca Received: by datacntr.dss.gov.nb.ca with Microsoft Mail id <2FC32498@datacntr.dss.gov.nb.ca>; Wed, 24 May 95 09:20:40 ADT From: "Cruickshank, Steven (DSS)" To: 'TOASTER MAILING LIST' Subject: Club Toaster is Shipping!!! Date: Wed, 24 May 95 09:24:00 ADT Message-Id: <2FC32498@datacntr.dss.gov.nb.ca> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk I just received an e-mail from one of the guys at Dimension Technologies that Club Toaster's first issue is finally shipping as of yesterday. Issue number 2 is wrapping up and will include: - new cathedral - '67 Vette - music and sound fx in CD-Audio format - plus many more things If you are wondering what Club Toaster is, it is a monthly CD filled with reviews, tutorials, color wipes, animation's, moving and static backgrounds, 3D objects, sound effects, and more. At only $9.95/month you have nothing to lose, and Dimension Technologies is offering a 30 day money-back guarantee if you are not satisfied. Dimension Technologies 1156 West 8th Street Erie, PA 16502 800-525-2203 (order) 814-838-2184 (info) 814-454-4483 (fax) There is a out of US number but I can't seem to find it. Check out the ad on the back of the VTU mag. for more info. The number can be found there. I am in no way affiliated with Dimension, they have just been very responsive to all my questions, and I thought I would pass the good word for them. Steven Cruickshank -- "Cruickshank, Steven (DSS)" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 24 09:26:59 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA017092819; Wed, 24 May 1995 09:26:59 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA016962807; Wed, 24 May 1995 09:26:50 -0700 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA103342966; Wed, 24 May 1995 12:29:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 12:29:26 -0400 From: BandBvideo@aol.com Message-Id: <950524122925_10875561@aol.com> To: toaster@webcom.com Cc: vidpro-l@bgu.edu Subject: Want To Buy: Toaster 4000/Amiga Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Want to Buy: Toaster 4000 with Amiga 4000 System Please E-mail direct to bandbvideo@aol.com with specs: hard drive, RAM, monitor?, 040? etc and price THANKS Brian Kreikemeier -- BandBvideo@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 24 20:17:32 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA177822173; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:49:33 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kaiwan.kaiwan.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA177722166; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:49:26 -0700 Received: from kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (212@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com [198.178.203.9]) by kaiwan.kaiwan.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA06375 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:52:29 -0700 *** KAIWAN Internet Access *** Received: (from mchang@localhost) by kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA06916; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:52:31 -0700 *** KAIWAN Internet Access *** Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 14:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Chang To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: 4.ohhhh upgrade. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk I know a lot of you already have 4.whatever because of the flyer. But now they delayed my 4.0 for another 30 days to "fininalize the program" as Newtek puts it. I was under the impression that the Flyer SW was the same for the Toaster. But the lady at Newtek says "NO!". Now I would have to wait for a total of 50 days for 4.0 when I was "promised" 3 days by DevWare (I should know better). Just wanted to get this off my chest. :) I guess I should get a Flyer, at least I'll get my software faster!! Angry Toaster Guy (opps thats Lee's nickname) ,+------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+| | Mark C. K. Chang Faith Academy 85|| | Embedded Systems Software Engineer CSUF 91|+ | Creative Integrated Systems Inc. AACF Alumni|' | mchang@kaiwan.com, mark.chang@solar.org, http://www.kaiwan.com/~mchang |' +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- Mark Chang posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 24 22:21:35 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA133499295; Wed, 24 May 1995 22:21:35 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from csuhayward.edu (csuh.csuhayward.edu) by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA133439292; Wed, 24 May 1995 22:21:32 -0700 Received: from barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu by csuhayward.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/30Jan95-0101PM) id AA06267; Wed, 24 May 1995 22:28:47 -0700 Received: from BARNEY/SpoolDir by barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu (Mercury 1.20); 24 May 95 22:23:21 PST8PDT Received: from SpoolDir by BARNEY (Mercury 1.20); 24 May 95 22:23:01 PST8PDT From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III" Organization: CSU, Hayward To: toaster@webcom.com Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 22:22:53 PST8PDT Subject: Alternative input devices for the Toaster... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <20A25C2D84@barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu> Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk okay, okay... i just wanna know if someone has used a drawing tablet with the toaster before? how about non-amiga mice? any v-r glasses, gloves, etc.? 8-) seriously about the tablet, though... ======================================================================== Leo G. Divinagracia III --- __o ****************************> ---- _`\<,_ Atlanta '96 leo@barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu --- (*)/ (*) California State University, Hayward School of Business and Economics -- "Leo G. Divinagracia III" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 25 00:00:16 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA161265216; Thu, 25 May 1995 00:00:16 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mickey.risd.edu by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA161145210; Thu, 25 May 1995 00:00:10 -0700 Received: from minnie by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA13419; Thu, 25 May 1995 03:03:36 -0400 Received: by minnie.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA07642; Thu, 25 May 1995 03:04:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 03:01:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: 4.ohhhh upgrade. To: Mark Chang Cc: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk > I know a lot of you already have 4.whatever because of the flyer. But now > they delayed my 4.0 for another 30 days to "fininalize the program" as > Newtek puts it. I was under the impression that the Flyer SW was the same > for the Toaster. But the lady at Newtek says "NO!". Now I would have to > wait for a total of 50 days for 4.0 when I was "promised" 3 days by > DevWare (I should know better). Just wanted to get this off my chest. :) > I guess I should get a Flyer, at least I'll get my software faster!! Yes, but willit work... You don't know the bugs that exist... anyway, if you wait, you'll get LW4.0 when you get the whole package (contrary to what NewTek said, the installer claims they're the same, but with some Flyer-specific stuff installed if you want... And so do the docs... (the box even says "Audio and Video clips avaiblable only with Flyer"!) Don't worry, not too long now... (I hope, I want LW 4.0!) -- Joe -- Joe Angell posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 25 00:19:12 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA169936352; Thu, 25 May 1995 00:19:12 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from hookomo.aloha.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA169866346; Thu, 25 May 1995 00:19:06 -0700 Received: from [204.94.117.76] (tony0.u.aloha.net [204.94.117.76]) by hookomo.aloha.net (8.6.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA17402 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 21:21:27 -1000 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 21:21:27 -1000 X-Sender: tony0@aloha.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@webcom.com From: tony0@aloha.net (Tony LeHoven) Subject: Calling all UVW 1800 Owners Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Has any one else had problems with a fade from black when running ze Toaster into a Sony UVW 1800 SP editor. I get this weird, uneven splotchiness for about 6 or 7 frames, definitely not a smooth transition from black to video. I'm using a 4000 and running straight out the composite program output. Any answers? Thanks, Tony -- tony0@aloha.net (Tony LeHoven) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 25 02:34:48 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA275884488; Thu, 25 May 1995 02:34:48 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from clark.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA274834480; Thu, 25 May 1995 02:34:40 -0700 Received: (jamesb@localhost) by clark.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA06690; Thu, 25 May 1995 05:37:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 05:37:47 -0400 (EDT) From: James Brooks To: "Leo G. Divinagracia III" Cc: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Alternative input devices for the Toaster... In-Reply-To: <20A25C2D84@barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 24 May 1995, Leo G. Divinagracia III wrote: > okay, okay... i just wanna know if someone has used a drawing tablet > with the toaster before? how about non-amiga mice? any v-r > glasses, gloves, etc.? 8-) seriously about the tablet, though... Leo, Even though I use the mouse MOST of the time I have also connected is my WACOM KT-0405 "ArtPad" drawing tablet hooked up. I use for painting and SKETCH mode in Lightwave's Modeler. It is a joy to use! Later, Alex --------------------------------------------------------------- James "Alex" Brooks Amiga 4000/040/28MHz 20MB RAM Lightwave 3.5 / Imagine 3.0 VideoToaster 4000 3.1 Syquest 3.5" 270MB Bernoulli 90Pro NEC 3xp Triple Speed CDROM Warp Engine 4028 Epson ES-600C Scanner E-Mail: jamesb@clark.net -------------------------------------------------------------- -- James Brooks posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 25 03:29:17 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA233767757; Thu, 25 May 1995 03:29:17 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from europe.std.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA233697750; Thu, 25 May 1995 03:29:11 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id GAA17800; Thu, 25 May 1995 06:32:14 -0400 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA21965; Thu, 25 May 1995 06:32:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 06:32:13 +0059 (EDT) From: James E Gilmore Subject: Re: Flyer/Amiga OS? To: Ian Lancaster Cc: toaster In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 May 1995, Ian Lancaster wrote: > Just before installing a Flyer system on a A2000, I was told that NewTek > only supported the OS2.1. To simplify installation, I yanked the 3.1 ROM, > replaced the 2.04 and installed the 2.1 OS. Now I'm wondering. > > Has anyone tried to run the Flyer under 3.1, or is it possible that NewTek > might upgrade the system to include 3.1. > > Cheers - Ian > > Ian Lancaster ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca > St. Francis Xavier University "Questions?" > Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada > > -- > Ian Lancaster posted this message. > To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com > For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com > (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com > Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com > I am, or that is we are running our FLyer on an A4000 with 3.1 installed. I understood that just because NewTek said they could not support this version of the OS to mean that you could use it. They just did not have any docs or any chance to work with this version of OS which meant that use it at your own risk. And so far so great! J. Gilmore In Step Communications, Inc. Fairfax, Vermont -- James E Gilmore posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 25 06:11:10 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA168487470; Thu, 25 May 1995 06:11:10 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA168307461; Thu, 25 May 1995 06:11:01 -0700 Received: from juts.ccc.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sEcjN-0000TuC; Thu, 25 May 95 06:13 PDT Received: by juts.ccc.amdahl.com (/\../\ Smail3.1.14.4 #14.6) id ; Thu, 25 May 95 06:14 PDT Message-Id: Date: Thursday, 25 May 1995 09:09 ET To: toaster@webcom.com From: david.lumbers@amail.amdahl.com Subject: IFF2CLIP AREXX Problem Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Hi. Up till recently, i was using lightwave background image sequences to send iff frame sequences to the Flyer. I saw people talking about using the Arexx IFF2CLIP file. I can't seem to get it to work for me. It runs through all the prompts for what frames to use, and where to put the clip, then begins to process. It gets as far as loading the first frame in (eg Frame001) and displaying it on the Main Output. After that it just sits there and looks at me - no hard drive access or anything. I'm using an Amiga 3000 with 2.1 OS and Flyer 4.03. Anyone had any success getting this to work with the A3000? Thanks in advance, David Lumbers. -- david.lumbers@amail.amdahl.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 25 07:21:31 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA264671691; Thu, 25 May 1995 07:21:31 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA264591685; Thu, 25 May 1995 07:21:26 -0700 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id HAA18456; Thu, 25 May 1995 07:23:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199505251423.HAA18456@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Flyer 4.03 Bugs/Test Report To: toaster@webcom.com Article: 6021 Newsgroups: rec.video.desktop From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Flyer 4.03 Bugs/Test report Date: 25 May 1995 14:20:18 GMT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk FLYER BUGS/TEST REPORT #7: To: Newtek Tech Support, Chuck Baker Fax: 913-228-8222 Date: 5/23/95 Pages:1 From: Thierry Humeau Current Flyer Software version: 4.03 Tel: 301-933-3008 Fax: 301-933-3868 >>>My configuration: A2000/PP&S Zeus 040/33mhz accelerator w/16 meg ram Workbench 2.1, 68040 lib version 37.4, Setpatch version 38.31 Mega chip 2000, ICD Flicker Free Video display enhancer VT 2000 card, Flyer card #800xxxx 2 Seagate Elite-9 drives (latest revision #016) 1 Seagate SCSI 2 Hawk , 1 Gig for audio 1 Quantum SCSI 2 Empire, 1 Gig internal Amiga drive. Sony DAT SDK-5200/M SCSI-2 drive Software Updates: Could you realese software fixes and updates more frequently through the Flyer Files BBS area or better (for Internet users) through your Internet FTP site? Sequencing of Events: 1) Program output flashes when a framestore is pre-loading on the Preview bus while a project is playing back. I have tried to re-calibrate and to autohue several times but this don't seem to be the problem. I don't recall this happening with previous versions of the software. 2) I am currently editing a project that's over 10 min long, most of it is made of digitized segments edited on tape that are 30 sec. to 1 min. long but in the middle of the project, I had to insert a new sequence made of 2 to 5 sec. cuts with a lots of A/B rolls and split edits. I have some problems playing back the all project without getting random audio or video glitches when getting to this new edited part. I am getting frames jumps before cut transitions (it looks like the video drives backs up a couple frames right before cutting to the next clip that's located on the same drive. when I playback from this new portion, it's fine, the glithches don't show. 3) split edits still seem to be the culprit for most sequencing problems. My sequencing problems are mostly audio glitches, pops or stutters. I get video stutter very occasionally even if am using HQ-5 with my Seagates which I do now all the time since I consider the "standard" quality not good enough for broadcast applications Timing of Events: I requested on previous reports a working program In, Out and Duration time display but nothing appear to have changed with the realese of 4.03. Could we at least have a way to time a series of clips by shift clicking on them and then a pop up time code calculator that would allow us to subtract or ad the selected clips total duration to the In or Out Audio or Video point of a master clip these cut-away clips would be inserted In. I know, my explanation looks complicated.... well....,just tried to lay down a clip of a talking head, insert 5 or 6 short cut-away shots and go back to the talking head, you'll know what I mean...... Backup: This is the big problem right now. The program is full of bugs, I get only half the capacity of the 4 Gigs my DAT tapes should be able to backup ( and that's non- compressed) and restoring a project is really scary since most of the time, files got either corrupted, misplaced or worst..... lost. I know you are all aware of these backup problems but I just want to emphases here that digital video without reliable backup is a nightmare. Cutting Room: PLEASE, ALLOW US TO DISABLE IT. It's nice to have it but I found it really slow to process the marked clips and a little cumbersome to use. Cutting Room should be an option we could turn on an off from the digitize window Digitized Video: HQ-5 looks really great and very close to the output of my BVW Betacam SP machines. Too bad that no 9 gig drive on the market can sustain the necessary data transfer rate all across the disks surface. Are you planning to support any disk arrays systems like AVID and Data Translation do to obtain their best image quality? CG: 1) drop shadows don't show on crawl and scroll pages. 2) Sometimes, kerning varies from the CG output from the CG program and the output of a sequenced crawl or scroll page while playing back a project 3) When generating a poscript "text brush", the bottom of the characters is cropped 4) The are still a lot of problems with sequencing of crawl of scroll pages. They usually work perfect from the CG but when trying to play them back from the project/files interface of from a project playing back they very often crash or lockthe machine. It seems to me that length, width and PS font choice affects it. Usually a very short scroll or crawl page that's not to wide plays back fine. Toaster Paint 2000: 1) See previous reports. None of all the bugs I mentioned before seemed tohave been even looked at and that's annoying. 2) Many times, the solid fill tool seems to not work. That's all for today, keep working hard we are starving for any improvments. -- -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 25 11:00:20 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA056824819; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:00:20 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ohsu.edu (wpsmtp.ohsu.edu) by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA056694807; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:00:07 -0700 Received: from ohsu-Message_Server by ohsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:05:17 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 11:02:14 -0700 From: Ed Weigel To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Flyer 4.03 Bugs/Test Report -Forwarded Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Thierry Huneau writes >HQ-5 looks really great and very close to the output of my BVW Betacam SP machines. Too bad that no 9 gig drive on the market can sustain the necessary data transfer rate all across the disks surface. > I have some problems playing back the all project without getting random audio or video glitches I am using micropolis drives with the HQ mode and have not had a glitch. Had unbelievable problems with stuttering sound and stuttering video just before cuts or dissolves until I changed my .5 gig audio drive to a 4 gig audio drive. It has been smooth sailing since then. Received: from webcom.com ([165.227.43.1]) by steele.ohsu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01125; Thu, 25 May 95 07:46:09 PDT Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA264671691; Thu, 25 May 1995 07:21:31 -0700 Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA264591685; Thu, 25 May 1995 07:21:26 -0700 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id HAA18456; Thu, 25 May 1995 07:23:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199505251423.HAA18456@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Flyer 4.03 Bugs/Test Report To: toaster@webcom.com Article: 6021 Newsgroups: rec.video.desktop From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Flyer 4.03 Bugs/Test report Date: 25 May 1995 14:20:18 GMT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk FLYER BUGS/TEST REPORT #7: To: Newtek Tech Support, Chuck Baker Fax: 913-228-8222 Date: 5/23/95 Pages:1 From: Thierry Humeau Current Flyer Software version: 4.03 Tel: 301-933-3008 Fax: 301-933-3868 >>>My configuration: A2000/PP&S Zeus 040/33mhz accelerator w/16 meg ram Workbench 2.1, 68040 lib version 37.4, Setpatch version 38.31 Mega chip 2000, ICD Flicker Free Video display enhancer VT 2000 card, Flyer card #800xxxx 2 Seagate Elite-9 drives (latest revision #016) 1 Seagate SCSI 2 Hawk , 1 Gig for audio 1 Quantum SCSI 2 Empire, 1 Gig internal Amiga drive. Sony DAT SDK-5200/M SCSI-2 drive Software Updates: Could you realese software fixes and updates more frequently through the Flyer Files BBS area or better (for Internet users) through your Internet FTP site? Sequencing of Events: 1) Program output flashes when a framestore is pre-loading on the Preview bus while a project is playing back. I have tried to re-calibrate and to autohue several times but this don't seem to be the problem. I don't recall this happening with previous versions of the software. 2) I am currently editing a project that's over 10 min long, most of it is made of digitized segments edited on tape that are 30 sec. to 1 min. long but in the middle of the project, I had to insert a new sequence made of 2 to 5 sec. cuts with a lots of A/B rolls and split edits. I have some problems playing back the all project without getting random audio or video glitches when getting to this new edited part. I am getting frames jumps before cut transitions (it looks like the video drives backs up a couple frames right before cutting to the next clip that's located on the same drive. when I playback from this new portion, it's fine, the glithches don't show. 3) split edits still seem to be the culprit for most sequencing problems. My sequencing problems are mostly audio glitches, pops or stutters. I get video stutter very occasionally even if am using HQ-5 with my Seagates which I do now all the time since I consider the "standard" quality not good enough for broadcast applications Timing of Events: I requested on previous reports a working program In, Out and Duration time display but nothing appear to have changed with the realese of 4.03. Could we at least have a way to time a series of clips by shift clicking on them and then a pop up time code calculator that would allow us to subtract or ad the selected clips total duration to the In or Out Audio or Video point of a master clip these cut-away clips would be inserted In. I know, my explanation looks complicated.... well....,just tried to lay down a clip of a talking head, insert 5 or 6 short cut-away shots and go back to the talking head, you'll know what I mean...... Backup: This is the big problem right now. The program is full of bugs, I get only half the capacity of the 4 Gigs my DAT tapes should be able to backup ( and that's non- compressed) and restoring a project is really scary since most of the time, files got either corrupted, misplaced or worst..... lost. I know you are all aware of these backup problems but I just want to emphases here that digital video without reliable backup is a nightmare. Cutting Room: PLEASE, ALLOW US TO DISABLE IT. It's nice to have it but I found it really slow to process the marked clips and a little cumbersome to use. Cutting Room should be an option we could turn on an off from the digitize window Digitized Video: HQ-5 looks really great and very close to the output of my BVW Betacam SP machines. Too bad that no 9 gig drive on the market can sustain the necessary data transfer rate all across the disks surface. Are you planning to support any disk arrays systems like AVID and Data Translation do to obtain their best image quality? CG: 1) drop shadows don't show on crawl and scroll pages. 2) Sometimes, kerning varies from the CG output from the CG program and the output of a sequenced crawl or scroll page while playing back a project 3) When generating a poscript "text brush", the bottom of the characters is cropped 4) The are still a lot of problems with sequencing of crawl of scroll pages. They usually work perfect from the CG but when trying to play them back from the project/files interface of from a project playing back they very often crash or lockthe machine. It seems to me that length, width and PS font choice affects it. Usually a very short scroll or crawl page that's not to wide plays back fine. Toaster Paint 2000: 1) See previous reports. None of all the bugs I mentioned before seemed tohave been even looked at and that's annoying. 2) Many times, the solid fill tool seems to not work. That's all for today, keep working hard we are starving for any improvments. -- -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com -- Ed Weigel posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 25 11:20:14 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA068096014; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:20:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA065985719; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:15:19 -0700 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA24340; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:16:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 11:16:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199505251816.LAA24340@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Re: Flyer 4.03 Bugs/Test Report To: Ian Lancaster Cc: toaster@webcom.com Cc: lightwave@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >Thanks for posting your latest Bug Report, Thierry. It's a great service >to the groups to have someone compile a list such as this - keep it up! > Thanks for your comments. May be I should just tried to improve my english, everytime I re-read my posted messages, I found gramatical "artifacts". Oh well, as long as people can understand me well.... >The time code thing is also basic, even if you are not >dealing directly with time-line editing. Time is the whole look and feel >of most video. > You know. I found interesting to see how Newtek has reverted from their previous position on the time-code issue. At first, before they released the Flyer their thoughts were: "...the Flyer does not need time-code, because the Flyer is a final solution and so and so....". Enough real life producers/editors had flamed Newtek for their egocentrics statements about time-code and now the official position is: "... we understand that for certain applications or under certain conditions the need of time-code support is a necessity.....". Their attitude has changed dramatically on many other aspects of their marketing and customers feedback. They learned the hard way, they tought the Flyer was going to revolutionize digital video editing as soon as it will be out but after a few months in release and a few software updates, they realize that there's tough competition from many other systems and that the Flyer still needs A LOT OF WORK before customers jump into Newtek's wagon and worship the company as people did with LW and the toaster. The Flyer is a much more pricy investment than a simple Toaster setup, people who bought the Flyer are mostly full time video professionals who cannot afford to be plagged by deceptive product performances. Everybody knows that the Flyer has great potential but they want a working Flyer as promised in the Flyer slick ads campain ASAP. >I think that NewTek should release one of their promo videos ala Toaster, >but done only with the Flyer, and then provide us with a `this is how it >was done' file! This is from someone who only has basic .94 documentation, >and I don't think I have to be taught the basics of editing. But, it >would be handy to be able to follow NewTek's concept of professional A/B >roll/insert editing. > The problem is that I am not sure the Flyer has now the power to edit these fast paced short videos with a lot of DVE's and short cuts (e.i. 10 frames edits is the current limit of flyer clips length). >Keep up the good work > Sure I will. thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 25 11:30:41 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA072356641; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:30:41 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA072226631; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:30:31 -0700 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA26831; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:32:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 11:32:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199505251832.LAA26831@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Re: Flyer New HQ-5 image quality To: alyn@netcom.com (Alyn) Cc: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: >There is another drive just coming to market that will sustain HQ5 all >the way across its sectors. It's the IBM Ultrastar XP, spins at 7200 rpm >and has a capacity of 4.3 gigs. I get 22 minutes of flawless HQ5 on one >drive (have 4 of them). How come you can get 22 minutes of HQ-5 video on this 4Gig drive when I can only get 33min. out of a Seagate 9Gig? Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 25 11:58:17 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA085388297; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:58:17 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA085198285; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:58:05 -0700 Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by UWSTOUT.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #4883) id <01HQX838OTSG000GA8@UWSTOUT.EDU>; Thu, 25 May 1995 14:01:15 CST Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 14:01:15 -0600 (CST) From: ED JAKOBER Subject: Re: Alternative input devices for the Toaster... To: toaster@webcom.com Message-Id: <01HQX838QPB6000GA8@UWSTOUT.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"toaster@webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk >> okay, okay... i just wanna know if someone has used a drawing tablet >> with the toaster before? how about non-amiga mice? any v-r >> glasses, gloves, etc.? 8-) seriously about the tablet, though... > >Leo, > Even though I use the mouse MOST of the time I have also connected is my >WACOM KT-0405 "ArtPad" drawing tablet hooked up. I use for painting and >SKETCH mode in Lightwave's Modeler. It is a joy to use! > I use the "ArtPad" also and yes it is very nice to use in LW. Although, you will need the driver from Tri-media. The PD versions don't seem to work with the toaster. Later, Ed Jakobere@uwstout.edu -- ED JAKOBER posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 25 12:17:27 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA093719447; Thu, 25 May 1995 12:17:27 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA093439432; Thu, 25 May 1995 12:17:12 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA09238; Thu, 25 May 1995 16:21:40 -0300 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 16:21:40 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: Thierry Humeau Cc: Alyn , toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Flyer New HQ-5 image quality In-Reply-To: <199505251832.LAA26831@ix2.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 25 May 1995, Thierry Humeau wrote: > Alyn You wrote: > >There is another drive just coming to market that will sustain HQ5 all > >the way across its sectors. It's the IBM Ultrastar XP, spins at 7200 rpm > >and has a capacity of 4.3 gigs. I get 22 minutes of flawless HQ5 on one > >drive (have 4 of them). > > How come you can get 22 minutes of HQ-5 video on this 4Gig drive when I can only > get 33min. out of a Seagate 9Gig? ^^^^^ That's about it for a Micropolis 1991 9Gig in HQ-5, not that you can play it with my configuration. Sure would like some info and pricing if possible. Ian -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 25 12:36:46 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA105270605; Thu, 25 May 1995 12:36:46 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA104920583; Thu, 25 May 1995 12:36:23 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA25798; Thu, 25 May 1995 16:41:10 -0300 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 16:41:10 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: Thierry Humeau Cc: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Flyer 4.03 Bugs/Test Report In-Reply-To: <199505251816.LAA24340@ix2.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 25 May 1995, Thierry Humeau wrote: > You wrote: > > Thanks for your comments. May be I should just tried to improve my english, > everytime I re-read my posted messages, I found gramatical "artifacts". Oh well, as Bugger the english Thierry - it's the though that counts! > > > You know. I found interesting to see how Newtek has reverted from their previous > position on the time-code issue. At first, before they released the Flyer their I seem to remember a blurb somewhere, that the folks who did the Amilink system planned to release a time-line editor inter-face for the Flyer. I wonder if that project is still viable, or are they also waiting for the software. BTW, have you noticed that if you do L-Amiga/R-Amiga all icons, including clip, are replaced with buttons? Ian -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 25 13:37:05 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA138964225; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:37:05 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA138894217; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:36:57 -0700 Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by UWSTOUT.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #4883) id <01HQXBHLXYSW000FX2@UWSTOUT.EDU>; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:40:11 CST Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 15:40:11 -0600 (CST) From: ED JAKOBER Subject: Winz and AmiLink/VT-Fly (Was:Flyer 4.03 Bugs/Test Report) To: toaster@webcom.com Message-Id: <01HQXBHLZKOI000FX2@UWSTOUT.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"toaster@webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Ian Lancaster wrote: >I seem to remember a blurb somewhere, that the folks who did the Amilink >system planned to release a time-line editor inter-face for the Flyer. I >wonder if that project is still viable, or are they also waiting for the >software. >> I saw something at NAB in the RGB(the folks that did the Amilink) booth, called AmiLink/VT-Fly. It allows you to mix non-linear with linear in an A-B roll fashion to tape. It also features batch clip capturing from multiple reels and edit decision list managment. (it needed work.... but then, so does the Flyer) At the time it was not a complete new front end to the Flyer. Maybe someday? By the way Nucleus Electronics (the Personal Editor people) are developing something similar to the AmiLink/VT-Fly called.. Wingz. I need something like that because I need to lay finished half-hour programs to tape with 2 minute "holes" for commercials, to be inserted later. Later, I can "assemble" my 2 min blocks in the Flyer then insert them right on to the master. Later, Ed Jakobere@uwstout.edu -- ED JAKOBER posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 25 17:54:09 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA244909648; Thu, 25 May 1995 17:54:09 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mickey.risd.edu by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA244839643; Thu, 25 May 1995 17:54:04 -0700 Received: from minnie by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA22712; Thu, 25 May 1995 20:56:51 -0400 Received: by minnie.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA20476; Thu, 25 May 1995 20:58:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 20:56:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: Flyer New HQ-5 image quality To: Thierry Humeau Cc: Alyn , toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: <199505251832.LAA26831@ix2.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk > >There is another drive just coming to market that will sustain HQ5 all > >the way across its sectors. It's the IBM Ultrastar XP, spins at 7200 rpm > >and has a capacity of 4.3 gigs. I get 22 minutes of flawless HQ5 on one > >drive (have 4 of them). > > How come you can get 22 minutes of HQ-5 video on this 4Gig drive when I can only > get 33min. out of a Seagate 9Gig? I've gotten my 2-gig Seagates to work in HQ5 mode without a glitch. I've only treid for anbout 2 mins, though, but they seem fine. -- Joe -- Joe Angell posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Thu May 25 21:50:53 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA010083853; Thu, 25 May 1995 21:50:53 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from everest.pinn.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA009853838; Thu, 25 May 1995 21:50:38 -0700 Received: (manueld@localhost) by everest.pinn.net (8.6.12/8.6.4) id WAA01787; Thu, 25 May 1995 22:41:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 22:41:55 -0500 (EST) From: Manuel DeSantos To: "Leo G. Divinagracia III" Cc: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Alternative input devices for the Toaster... In-Reply-To: <20A25C2D84@barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 24 May 1995, Leo G. Divinagracia III wrote: > okay, okay... i just wanna know if someone has used a drawing tablet > with the toaster before? how about non-amiga mice? any v-r > glasses, gloves, etc.? 8-) seriously about the tablet, though... > > > > > ======================================================================== > Leo G. Divinagracia III --- __o > ****************************> ---- _`\<,_ Atlanta '96 > leo@barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu --- (*)/ (*) > California State University, Hayward > School of Business and Economics > -- > "Leo G. Divinagracia III" posted this message. > To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com > For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com > (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com > Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com > I have been using my Calcomp Graphics Tablet with my Toaster for about 3 months now and I have not had any problems with it. I am also using a PC bus mouse because I did not like the buttons on the Amiga mouse. All you need to do to use the bus mouse is to make an adapter or change the connector on the mouse. I'll try and find the file for the mouse modification and put it on one of the Aminet sites or the Tomahawk site. Manuel Desantos ....... -- Manuel DeSantos posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 26 05:57:38 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA013283058; Fri, 26 May 1995 05:57:38 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA013213054; Fri, 26 May 1995 05:57:34 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA34629; Fri, 26 May 1995 10:01:22 -0300 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 10:01:22 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: Joe Angell Cc: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Flyer New HQ-5 image quality In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 25 May 1995, Joe Angell wrote: > I've gotten my 2-gig Seagates to work in HQ5 mode without a glitch. I've > only treid for anbout 2 mins, though, but they seem fine. I think the problem for some of us is that longer clips in HQ-5 don't hold up. Joe, any chance that you could record a longer clip (how long will 2Gigs give you?), and then check the playback? When I use HQ-5, the first two minute of any clip is fine, but then I get drop-out's and stuttering audio. Ian -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 26 07:27:39 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA055028458; Fri, 26 May 1995 07:27:39 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ndsuext (ndsuext.NoDak.edu) by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA054868451; Fri, 26 May 1995 07:27:31 -0700 Received: from ndsuext by ndsuext with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0sF0RD-000e7PC; Fri, 26 May 95 09:32 CDT Message-Id: From: rcadwell@ndsuext.nodak.edu (Randy Cadwell) To: toaster@webcom.com Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 09:36:49 Subject: Curving Letters... Reply-To: rcadwell@ndsuext.nodak.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I want to take two words and curve them around a basketball. Is there a "simple" way of doing this in Toaster Paint, or do I have to use Lightwave? Otherwise, I going back to my DPaint IV and use my rotate brush. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rcadwell@ndsuext.nodak.edu Randy Cadwell Video Production Assistant North Dakota State University NDSU Extension Communications 418 IACC Building (701)237-7953 Fargo, ND 58103 ---------------------------- "But I live in Minnesota" ---------------------------- -- rcadwell@ndsuext.nodak.edu (Randy Cadwell) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 26 19:27:42 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA022031538; Fri, 26 May 1995 11:05:38 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.wolfe.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA021961532; Fri, 26 May 1995 11:05:32 -0700 Received: from gonzo.wolfe.net (momar@gonzo.wolfe.net [204.157.98.2]) by mail1.wolfe.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA21313 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 11:09:36 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 11:08:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Carter To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Flyer Recall? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Well i just got a message on my phone machine from Newtek it seems I need to send my board back because it "has a bad capacitor" this is not in relation to any complaint by me. When I returned the call the woman who called me was not there(no suprise) so I don't know any details but I'll keep you posted. Anyone else get this call? Knowing the speed at which Newtek opperates sho7uld I ask for a loaner ? :-| Jim -- Jim Carter posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 26 22:00:22 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA260090822; Fri, 26 May 1995 22:00:22 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mickey.risd.edu by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA260030818; Fri, 26 May 1995 22:00:18 -0700 Received: from minnie by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA14228; Sat, 27 May 1995 01:03:49 -0400 Received: by minnie.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA26403; Sat, 27 May 1995 01:05:04 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 01:03:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: Flyer New HQ-5 image quality To: Ian Lancaster Cc: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk > > I've gotten my 2-gig Seagates to work in HQ5 mode without a glitch. I've > > only treid for anbout 2 mins, though, but they seem fine. > > I think the problem for some of us is that longer clips in HQ-5 don't > hold up. Joe, any chance that you could record a longer clip (how long > will 2Gigs give you?), and then check the playback? When I use HQ-5, the > first two minute of any clip is fine, but then I get drop-out's and > stuttering audio. Sure, but I'll ahve to wait until I get my other 2-gig back -- it died earlier this week. Give me a week or so to get everything up, and then I'll record 7 mins (yup, 7. I'm mainly an animator/S-VHS editor, so I don't use this mode much...) of TV to test it out over the WHOLE drive once I get it back... -- Joe -- Joe Angell posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Fri May 26 23:38:30 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA284456710; Fri, 26 May 1995 23:38:30 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.wolfe.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA284396707; Fri, 26 May 1995 23:38:27 -0700 Received: from gonzo.wolfe.net (momar@gonzo.wolfe.net [204.157.98.2]) by mail1.wolfe.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA28947 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 23:42:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 23:41:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Carter To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Flyer Recall? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 26 May 1995, Jim Carter wrote: > Well i just got a message on my phone machine from Newtek it seems I need > to send my board back because it "has a bad capacitor" this is not in > Got hold of Newtek seems it's a 6 volt rather than 12 and it can do everything from causing crashes to distroying the board. Five workin days from when I ship it. Supposedly. There goes that stuff I was working on for a while. I'll post that serial # later this weekend. Wish me luck and the same to everyone else. Jim -- Jim Carter posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sat May 27 08:35:47 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA038798947; Sat, 27 May 1995 08:35:47 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from juliet.stfx.ca by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA038718943; Sat, 27 May 1995 08:35:43 -0700 Received: by juliet.stfx.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) id AA52120; Sat, 27 May 1995 12:40:42 -0300 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 12:40:42 -0300 (ADT) From: Ian Lancaster To: Jim Carter Cc: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Flyer Recall? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk > On Fri, 26 May 1995, Jim Carter wrote: > > > Well i just got a message on my phone machine from Newtek it seems I need > > to send my board back because it "has a bad capacitor" this is not in > > > Got hold of Newtek seems it's a 6 volt rather than 12 and it can do > everything from causing crashes to distroying the board. Five workin > days from when I ship it. Supposedly. There goes that stuff I was working > on for a while. > > I'll post that serial # later this weekend. Jim, is this a general recall, or does it relate to a range of serial numbers? Ian -- Ian Lancaster posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sat May 27 09:21:14 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA092361674; Sat, 27 May 1995 09:21:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.wolfe.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA092091665; Sat, 27 May 1995 09:21:05 -0700 Received: from gonzo.wolfe.net (momar@gonzo.wolfe.net [204.157.98.2]) by mail1.wolfe.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA01562 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 09:25:14 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 09:24:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Carter To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Flyer Recall? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 27 May 1995, Ian Lancaster wrote: > > Jim, is this a general recall, or does it relate to a range of serial > numbers? > > Ian > Ian, Hi they said that my serial # indicated that the capacitor was bad. I don't have that with me but am going down to the studio later and I'll post it. If it helps I got mine back in Jan or early Feb Jim -- Jim Carter posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sat May 27 09:36:03 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA096312563; Sat, 27 May 1995 09:36:03 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA096092542; Sat, 27 May 1995 09:35:42 -0700 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id JAA26928; Sat, 27 May 1995 09:38:03 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 09:38:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199505271638.JAA26928@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: FS: Fully Loaded Newtek Flyer System To: toaster@webcom.com To: lightwave@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Fully loaded turn-key Flyer/Toaster system for sale: - Amiga 2000/2.04 rom - Workbench 2.1 operating OS - Zeus 68040/33 Mhz accelerator w/ 16 Meg Ram - Mega Chip 2000 (2 meg chip ram) - 1 Gig internal SCSI-2 Quantum hard drive - 88 meg Seaquest drive - ICD de-interlace adaptor (give you a nice hi-res 600x400 display with no flicker) - Panasync C1381 multiscan S-VGA monitor - DPS Personal TBC II card - Video Toaster 2000 card with 3.1/4.0 Toaster software (includes LW 4.0 when Newtek will ship to Flyer users in June!!!) - Video Flyer card with 4.03 software and free upgrade to Toaster/Flyer 4.1 when it will be released - 1 Gig Seagate Hawk external audio drive w/ enclosure - 1 Seagate 9 Gig Elite video drive in 5"25 SCSI enclosure (sorry, I need to keep the other Seagate drive for some other applications in our studio) Note: These drives are still covered under over 4 years of manufacturer warranty - Newtek Octopus SCSI cable - All necessary cables - Migraph hand scaner - VIP RGB to NTSC (composite/S-Video) adaptor Software: - ADPro 3.5 - DPaint 4 - Image FX - Brillance - DMaster - Vistapro - Composite Studio - Quaterback Tools I am asking for $10,000 OBO for the whole "shabang". That's over $20,000 worth of stuff!!! The all system runs smoothly and is very stable. If you're located in the D.C. area, I'll deliver it and will do minimal training to get you going. Please call or e-mail with your inquiries. Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sat May 27 10:36:43 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA182796202; Sat, 27 May 1995 10:36:43 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.primenet.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA181496186; Sat, 27 May 1995 10:36:26 -0700 Received: from mcbones (ip020.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.20]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-h2.0) with SMTP id KAA07669; Sat, 27 May 1995 10:39:38 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 10:39:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199505271739.KAA07669@mailhost.primenet.com> X-Sender: djmccoy@smtp.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lightwave@webcom.com From: djmccoy@primenet.com (Daniel J. McCoy) Subject: Mail Bounces Cc: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Just a message to let everyone know that if you are getting mail bounces from various addresses out there when you post to the LightWave or Video Toaster mailing list, I'd like to get the messages forwarded to me so I can take a look and take care of them. I'm not all too happy that bounces are going to the users instead of me. Thanks a bunch, Dan -- Daniel J. McCoy - djmccoy@primenet.com or dan@acti.com -- djmccoy@primenet.com (Daniel J. McCoy) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sat May 27 10:51:59 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA196417119; Sat, 27 May 1995 10:51:59 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from bos1g.delphi.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA196347115; Sat, 27 May 1995 10:51:55 -0700 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HR00H51VWM9LX7KN@delphi.com>; Sat, 27 May 1995 13:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 13:55:07 -0400 (EDT) From: MADVIDEO@delphi.com Subject: Re: 4.0 Install Q To: kbethke@usa.net, toaster@webcom.com Message-Id: <01HR00H51VWO9LX7KN@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: IN%"kbethke@usa.net" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"toaster@webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk The Same install disks and CDRom work for Toaster or Flyer The only thing I have had to do is to assign that "Flyer_4.0" (or whatever the name of the CD is) is assign to the right path I used Parnet to do this and AmigaNet should work the same. Marc Dole 603-659-7778 -- MADVIDEO@delphi.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sat May 27 13:00:46 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA041254846; Sat, 27 May 1995 13:00:46 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.wolfe.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA041184843; Sat, 27 May 1995 13:00:43 -0700 Received: from gonzo.wolfe.net (momar@gonzo.wolfe.net [204.157.98.2]) by mail1.wolfe.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA03480 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 13:04:52 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 13:03:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Carter To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Flyer Recall? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 27 May 1995, Jim Carter wrote: > On Sat, 27 May 1995, Ian Lancaster wrote: > > > > > Jim, is this a general recall, or does it relate to a range of serial > > numbers? > > > > Ian > > > Ian, Hi they said that my serial # indicated that the capacitor was bad. > I don't have that with me but am going down to the studio later and I'll > post it. If it helps I got mine back in Jan or early Feb > And the number is... 8001948 -- Jim Carter posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sat May 27 22:10:25 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA185087825; Sat, 27 May 1995 22:10:25 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.globalone.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA185027818; Sat, 27 May 1995 22:10:18 -0700 From: davewarner@globalone.net Received: from shell.globalone.net (davewarner@shell.globalone.net [198.69.121.31]) by mail.globalone.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA31141 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 01:13:32 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 01:13:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Flyer Recall? To: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 26 May 1995, Jim Carter wrote: > Well i just got a message on my phone machine from Newtek it seems I need > to send my board back because it "has a bad capacitor" this is not in > relation to any complaint by me. When I returned the call the woman who > called me was not there(no suprise) so I don't know any details but I'll keep > you posted. Anyone else get this call? Knowing the speed at which Newtek > opperates sho7uld I ask for a loaner ? :-| The client I've been working with was trying to get an answer on an audio drive problem he's been having when NewTek told him he had a unit with a bad capacitor too....apparently there was a batch of Flyers that had a 6-volt capacitor installed in a place where a 12-volt capacitor should be and this supposedly has been responsible for many of the "weird" things happening with individual Flyer systems. Turn-around time for this repair is supposedly going to be 2-3 days (NewTek's exact words) but I find this rather optimistic, especially in light of NewTek's performance of late. I hope I'm wrong though. I've thought long and hard about buying a Flyer, but there's no way I can deal with the myriad of problems plaguing this system...I'm going for a DPS PAR or PVR, which is a fraction of the cost and much more reliable. -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics -- davewarner@globalone.net posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sun May 28 16:29:18 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA236913758; Sun, 28 May 1995 16:29:18 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from hookomo.aloha.net by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA236833752; Sun, 28 May 1995 16:29:12 -0700 Received: from [204.94.117.76] (tony0.u.aloha.net [204.94.117.76]) by hookomo.aloha.net (8.6.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA13856 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 13:31:53 -1000 Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 13:31:53 -1000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster@webcom.com From: tony0@aloha.net (Tony LeHoven) Subject: Re: Calling all UVW 1800 Owners Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk > >To:MADVIDEO@delphi.com >From:tony0@aloha.net (Tony LeHoven) >Subject:Re: Calling all UVW 1800 Owners > >>I work at a Sony dealer and we have had many people complain >>about this. >>I think the answer to the problem was getting a betting Black >>Burst Generator. >> >>Marc Dole 603-659-7778 > >Thanks for the answer, Marc. The problem does seem to manifest itself >using different types of balck, tho. ( i.e. DV3, a black camera source, >etc.). What I wonder is, have any of your clients used the Betacam >component feature with the y/c plus box or personal component adapter to >overcome this problem and, is this problem Toaster specific or does it >happen with other switchers? > Thanks, Tony > -- tony0@aloha.net (Tony LeHoven) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Sun May 28 19:54:00 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA006286040; Sun, 28 May 1995 19:54:00 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.primenet.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA006196033; Sun, 28 May 1995 19:53:53 -0700 Received: from mcbones (ip078.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.78]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-h2.0) with SMTP id TAA19239; Sun, 28 May 1995 19:57:06 -0700 Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 19:57:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199505290257.TAA19239@mailhost.primenet.com> X-Sender: djmccoy@smtp.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lightwave@webcom.com From: djmccoy@primenet.com (Daniel J. McCoy) Subject: WWW Page On-Line Cc: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk What the heck. I'll join in the bizarre WWW fun. Though nothing really special, try http://www.webcom.com/~djmccoy/. I've popped some LightWave3D and Toaster specific info that asked about frequently. A word of warning though. I built them with HTML 3.0 and compatible browsers in mind (ie: NetScape V1.1) so if anything looks funky (as if it's not that way already), try looking at the pages with NetScape V1.1 or any HTML 3.0 browser. Don't forget to wear your hardhat. Dan Having WAY too much fun that what should be legally allowed! OH! If you happen to go to "Where I Work", IGNORE the image map! Those people at work stumpled across a shared drive of mine and happened to pick something hastily done for fun a year and a half ago and tweeked it (ie: added things that should have been). The powers that be there are just beginning to see the values of the internet and a full WWW server and page are in the works. -- Daniel J. McCoy - djmccoy@primenet.com or dan@acti.com -- djmccoy@primenet.com (Daniel J. McCoy) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 29 14:29:06 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA228152946; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:29:06 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix3.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA228042942; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:29:02 -0700 Received: from by ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id OAA16574; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:31:24 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 14:31:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199505292131.OAA16574@ix3.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Re: Flyer non-linear edit system To: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >Hi Thierry, > >I was just curious as to why you are selling your Flyer system. For many >it seems the ultimate in non-linear editing. Are you going back to tape >editing, or have you found something better? > >Chris You wrote: > >Hi Thierry, > >I was just curious as to why you are selling your Flyer system. For many >it seems the ultimate in non-linear editing. Are you going back to tape >editing, or have you found something better? > Chris, Just a few Q & A's: >What is the main reason for selling your Flyer? I just signed an important production contract with a major French network and all editing needs to be done in PAL. I am now shopping for a Media 100 system, this is the only NL editing system on the market capable to do both systems NTSC/PAL without any special modifications . >Is Newtek lacking support? I think they have been pretty good lately. The new management already had a hudge impact. Also, it's still kind of hard to get through tech support sometimes, my calls have generally been answered everytime time by compr ehensive and helpfull staff. The Newtek BBS has just been upgraded to three lines and communications with Newtek through their BBS works rather well. Also, in the past 8 weeks, two new versions of the Flyer software have been released showing in some case, dramatic improvements. >Have youfound a better system? Does it not perform as >well as you would like it to (although from your past postings, I assume >that might be the case)? I have never claimed the Flyer was the best NL system around, it is just the "best bang for the bucks" system to buy. The fact is that it is at least $10,000 cheaper than its nearest competitor and that the Flyer has an enormous potential. It is a very good system for small shops looking for high quality picture editing and the best 3D animation implementation but the software is not quite ready yet for the high turn around in a post pro duction facility. Also, the Amiga bankrupcy is not an issue anymore. Since the German firm ESCOM bought the remains of Commodore and annonced major plans to restart Amigas manufacturing, sales and support. Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 29 14:29:11 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA228232951; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:29:11 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from phoenix.net (phoenix.phoenix.net) by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA228142946; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:29:06 -0700 Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial40.phoenix.net [199.3.234.75]) by phoenix.net (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA17242 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 16:25:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 May 95 15:54:51 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Running Countdown Clock To: toaster@webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Ok I've tried everything I can think of with not success. I'm trying to use the Flyer to duplicate what I do in edit suites all the time with little to no success. We have a satellite test period for 30 minutes prior to the beginning of our shows which consist of the following elements. 0:30:00:00 to 0:20:00:01 Color Bars with program slate - Audio: Tone 0:20:00:00 to 0:01:00:01 Simple Background (not moving) with program slate with countdown clock in lower right corner of screen counting down from 20mins by seconds Audio: Music off CD 0:01:00:00 to 0:00:02:01 Background changes to copyright information still with countdown clock in lower right corner Audio: Still Music off CD 0:00:02:00 Fade to black 0:00:00:00 Start show I can't seem to figure out a way to set this up. The running countdown clock is giving me the trouble. First of all NewTek hasn't give us control of the superimpose buss (yet!). Second when I try and change from one still image to another I loose the clock (the clock should stay constant at all times). This is our simple test period (I fugured I try and solve this one first). The complicated test period includes an downlink site acknowlegment roll (save this for later). Any suggestions? ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg - Production Manager Computer Television Network jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 29 14:45:08 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA234253908; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:45:08 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA234183904; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:45:04 -0700 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id OAA03284; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:46:43 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 14:46:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199505292146.OAA03284@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Re: Running Countdown Clock To: John Bourg Cc: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >Ok I've tried everything I can think of with not success. I'm trying to use >the Flyer to duplicate what I do in edit suites all the time with little to >no success. We have a satellite test period for 30 minutes prior to the >beginning of our shows which consist of the following elements. > >0:30:00:00 to 0:20:00:01 Color Bars with program slate - Audio: Tone >0:20:00:00 to 0:01:00:01 Simple Background (not moving) with program slate > with countdown clock in lower right corner of > screen counting down from 20mins by seconds > Audio: Music off CD >0:01:00:00 to 0:00:02:01 Background changes to copyright information still > with countdown clock in lower right corner > Audio: Still Music off CD >0:00:02:00 Fade to black >0:00:00:00 Start show > >I can't seem to figure out a way to set this up. The running countdown clock >is giving me the trouble. First of all NewTek hasn't give us control of the >superimpose buss (yet!). Second when I try and change from one still image >to another I loose the clock (the clock should stay constant at all times). If you're trying to overlay the clock, everytime you go from one clip to the next one, you're gonna loose it on the program output. The Flyer seems to use the digital buffers even when doing a staight cut from one clip (or Flyer still) to the next one. I'd suggest ( I have done it very recently) that you compose a standard FS background and that you use the CG to generate a serie of framestores with your changing countdown numbers, maybe for every minute of so. After this is done, you can bring all this frames in a project and sequence them with music. You could also use a Horita widow/TC genrator, overlay it's time code on top of your backround image using the luminance keyer and select digitize from "main out" in the digitize window to record the output of the Horita TC generator overlaid on your FS. Are you using the 4.03 software? Have you any Flyer software documentation? Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 29 14:57:57 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA239384677; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:57:57 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from phoenix.net (phoenix.phoenix.net) by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA239314672; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:57:52 -0700 Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial40.phoenix.net [199.3.234.75]) by phoenix.net (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA18833; Mon, 29 May 1995 16:53:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 May 95 16:51:01 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Running Countdown Clock To: Thierry Humeau Cc: toaster@webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for the input. I'm afraid your right. The toaster uses one DVE channel to superimpose. I already have the countdown clock recorded on tape from a Scribe CG. I've though about just showing the minutes rather than each second and just building a series of frames (20 or so..). This would work but I'm still looking for a way to use the seconds (just hard headed I guess). On Mon, 29 May 1995 14:46:43 -0700 Thierry Humeau wrote: >You wrote: >> >>Ok I've tried everything I can think of with not success. I'm trying to use >>the Flyer to duplicate what I do in edit suites all the time with little to >>no success. We have a satellite test period for 30 minutes prior to the >>beginning of our shows which consist of the following elements. >> >>0:30:00:00 to 0:20:00:01 Color Bars with program slate - Audio: Tone >>0:20:00:00 to 0:01:00:01 Simple Background (not moving) with program slate >> with countdown clock in lower right corner of >> screen counting down from 20mins by seconds >> Audio: Music off CD >>0:01:00:00 to 0:00:02:01 Background changes to copyright information still >> with countdown clock in lower right corner >> Audio: Still Music off CD >>0:00:02:00 Fade to black >>0:00:00:00 Start show >> >>I can't seem to figure out a way to set this up. The running countdown clock >>is giving me the trouble. First of all NewTek hasn't give us control of the >>superimpose buss (yet!). Second when I try and change from one still image >>to another I loose the clock (the clock should stay constant at all times). > >If you're trying to overlay the clock, everytime you go from one clip to the next >one, you're gonna loose it on the program output. The Flyer seems to use the >digital buffers even when doing a staight cut from one clip (or Flyer still) to >the next one. I'd suggest ( I have done it very recently) that you compose a >standard FS background and that you use the CG to generate a serie of framestores >with your changing countdown numbers, maybe for every minute of so. After this is >done, you can bring all this frames in a project and sequence them with music. >You could also use a Horita widow/TC genrator, overlay it's time code on top of >your backround image using the luminance keyer and select digitize from "main out" >in the digitize window to record the output of the Horita TC generator overlaid on >your FS. > >Are you using the 4.03 software? Have you any Flyer software documentation? > >Thierry. >-- >******************************************************* >Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 >Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 >Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com >******************************************************* > > ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg - Production Manager Computer Television Network jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 29 17:48:25 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA008764905; Mon, 29 May 1995 17:48:25 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA008684900; Mon, 29 May 1995 17:48:20 -0700 Received: from kelly.teleport.com (mhatter@kelly.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA18042 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 17:51:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 17:51:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Herring To: Thierry Humeau Cc: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: Flyer non-linear edit system In-Reply-To: <199505292131.OAA16574@ix3.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 29 May 1995, Thierry Humeau wrote: > I just signed an important production contract with a major French network and all > editing needs to be done in PAL. I am now shopping for a Media 100 system, this is > the only NL editing system on the market capable to do > both systems NTSC/PAL without any special modifications . Does this mean we're going to lose you from the toaster list? I always enjoyed reading what you had to say. I hope you'll stick around, just for the fun of it! ;) Good Luck! -Steve -- Steve Herring posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 29 18:09:30 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA016946170; Mon, 29 May 1995 18:09:30 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA016836165; Mon, 29 May 1995 18:09:25 -0700 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id SAA09237; Mon, 29 May 1995 18:11:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 18:11:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199505300111.SAA09237@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Fwd: Re: Running Countdown Clock To: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: >I'm still looking for a way to use the seconds (just hard headed I guess). If you already have the footage of the clock running on black, you can overlay it on any Framestore using the Toaster luminance keyer and while playing back record the main out of the Toaster (that's an option in the digitize panel)and save it as a VTASC video clip. Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 29 19:41:18 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA049181678; Mon, 29 May 1995 19:41:18 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kitten.mcs.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA049011666; Mon, 29 May 1995 19:41:06 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA16760; Mon, 29 May 1995 21:44:17 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 29 May 95 21:44 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 29 May 95 21:44 CDT Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 21:44:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: Running Countdown Clock To: John Bourg Cc: toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 29 May 1995, John Bourg wrote: > 0:20:00:00 to 0:01:00:01 Simple Background (not moving) with program slate > with countdown clock in lower right corner of > screen counting down from 20mins by seconds > Audio: Music off CD > 0:01:00:00 to 0:00:02:01 Background changes to copyright information still > with countdown clock in lower right corner > Audio: Still Music off CD > 0:00:02:00 Fade to black > 0:00:00:00 Start show This could be accomplished by rendering a video clip of your background and the counting clock. Then you could simply use a key page from the CG with the "slate" information that's going to change from show to show. Position the key text so it lays over the "slate" area. The video clip could be used over and over again, you would just make a new key page(s) each time. Not quite as direct as the overlay function you had in mind, but it will work OK. JC ,-------------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank johnc@mcs.com / ( MicroTech Solutions, Inc. ( \ http://www.mcs.net/~johnc/www/MicroTech.html \ `-------------------------------------------------------` -- "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 29 20:11:35 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA062393495; Mon, 29 May 1995 20:11:35 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from phoenix.net (phoenix.phoenix.net) by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA062303488; Mon, 29 May 1995 20:11:28 -0700 Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial65.phoenix.net [199.3.234.107]) by phoenix.net (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA07155; Mon, 29 May 1995 22:07:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 May 95 22:06:02 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: Re: Running Countdown Clock To: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Cc: toaster@webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Thanks John, but I was trying to avoid having to create a 36,000 frame animation to do this. My other though is to try and key the countdown clock down stream of the toaster. This still seems like a backwards way to do things. On Mon, 29 May 1995 21:44:15 -0500 (CDT) John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc. wrote: >On Mon, 29 May 1995, John Bourg wrote: > >> 0:20:00:00 to 0:01:00:01 Simple Background (not moving) with program slate >> with countdown clock in lower right corner of >> screen counting down from 20mins by seconds >> Audio: Music off CD >> 0:01:00:00 to 0:00:02:01 Background changes to copyright information still >> with countdown clock in lower right corner >> Audio: Still Music off CD >> 0:00:02:00 Fade to black >> 0:00:00:00 Start show > >This could be accomplished by rendering a video clip of your background >and the counting clock. Then you could simply use a key page from the CG >with the "slate" information that's going to change from show to show. >Position the key text so it lays over the "slate" area. The video clip >could be used over and over again, you would just make a new key page(s) >each time. Not quite as direct as the overlay function you had in mind, >but it will work OK. > >JC > ,-------------------------------------------------------, > / John Crookshank johnc@mcs.com / > ( MicroTech Solutions, Inc. ( > \ http://www.mcs.net/~johnc/www/MicroTech.html \ > `-------------------------------------------------------` > > ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg - Production Manager Computer Television Network jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Mon May 29 20:39:32 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA074395172; Mon, 29 May 1995 20:39:32 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from phoenix.net (phoenix.phoenix.net) by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA074325168; Mon, 29 May 1995 20:39:28 -0700 Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net (dial42.phoenix.net [199.3.234.81]) by phoenix.net (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA09311; Mon, 29 May 1995 22:35:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 May 95 22:32:48 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: Running Countdown Clock To: Thierry Humeau Cc: toaster@webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Thanks Thierry, This is will do the trick! It means two passes through the system but it's the best I've seen yet. Again thanks for the input! On Mon, 29 May 1995 18:11:49 -0700 Thierry Humeau wrote: >You wrote: > >>I'm still looking for a way to use the seconds (just hard headed I >guess). > >If you already have the footage of the clock running on black, you can >overlay it on any Framestore using the Toaster luminance keyer and >while playing back record the main out of the Toaster (that's an option >in the digitize panel)and save it as a VTASC video clip. > >Thierry. >-- >******************************************************* >Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 >Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 >Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com >******************************************************* > >-- >thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. >To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com >For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com >(DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com >Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com > ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg - Production Manager Computer Television Network jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 30 04:43:14 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA258604194; Tue, 30 May 1995 04:43:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA258544190; Tue, 30 May 1995 04:43:11 -0700 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id EAA01829; Tue, 30 May 1995 04:45:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 04:45:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199505301145.EAA01829@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: How is the Flyer? To: jerickso@vogon.islandnet.com (Joel Erickson) Cc: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >Sorry, I'm not interested in your system, but I'd like to know >how the Flyer ran for you? Great, also the software needs improvement, the system is very stable (e.i. never crashes) and Newtek is working hard at new software releases. >Did the output artifact? No when you're using the highest quality, HQ-5. I have high-end Betacam SP VTR's in my studio and I can certify that there's almost no differences between a Beta dub and Flyer footage at HQ-5 quality. >Did it slow >down when you had consecutive frames with huge differences >between them? In other words, did it replace an A/B roll setup, >or would it just be a handy addition? I don't quite understand your point here. No it "doesn't slow down" and A/B roll edits are perfects. There are still a few sequencing problems that are being addressed and will be fixed in the next software update. >How was the audio? It cranks dude! Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 30 05:08:27 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA045115707; Tue, 30 May 1995 05:08:27 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA043375687; Tue, 30 May 1995 05:08:07 -0700 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id FAA04609; Tue, 30 May 1995 05:10:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 05:10:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199505301210.FAA04609@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: FS: Flyer edit system To: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Fully loaded turn-key Flyer/Toaster system for sale: - Amiga 2000/2.04 rom - Workbench 2.1 operating OS - Zeus 68040/33 Mhz accelerator w/ 16 Meg Ram - Mega Chip 2000 (2 meg chip ram) - 1 Gig internal SCSI-2 Quantum hard drive - 88 meg Syquest drive - NEC 210 2x speed CD-Rom external - ICD de-interlace adaptor (give you a nice hi-res 600x400 display with no flicker) - Panasync C1381 multiscan S-VGA monitor - DPS Personal TBC II card - Video Toaster 2000 card with 3.1/4.0 Toaster software (includes LW 4.0 when Newtek will ship to Flyer users in June!!!) - Video Flyer card with 4.03 software and free upgrade to Toaster/Flyer 4.1 when it will be released - 1 Gig Seagate Hawk external audio drive w/ enclosure - 1 Seagate 9 Gig Elite video drive in 5"25 SCSI enclosure (sorry, I need to keep the other Seagate drive for some other applications in our studio) Note: These drives are still covered under over 4 years of manufacturer warranty - Newtek Octopus SCSI cable - All necessary cables - Migraph hand scaner - VIP RGB to NTSC (composite/S-Video) adaptor Software: - ADPro 3.5 - DPaint 4 - Image FX - Brillance - DMaster - Vistapro - Composite Studio - Quaterback Tools I am asking for $9,750 OBO for the whole "shabang". That's around $20,000 worth of stuff!!! The all system runs smoothly and is very stable. If you're located in the D.C. area, I'll deliver it and will do minimal training to get you going. Please call or e-mail with your inquiries. Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 30 07:28:22 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA284924102; Tue, 30 May 1995 07:28:22 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from panix.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA284134090; Tue, 30 May 1995 07:28:10 -0700 Received: (from joshw@localhost) by panix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12+PanixU1.0) id KAA13548; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:31:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 10:31:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Josh Whitehouse To: Toaster Mailing List Subject: Flyer audio drop out.... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Seen a couple of people here mention it. I just bought a flyer two weeks ago. The people who installed it put in a 1Gb audio per my request. Unfortunately, they forgot about what happens to the TBCIV when the PAR is removed! They had lost the TBC serial cable so I had to wait for DPS to ship a new one out before doing some edit work. So in my first weekend of work, I had the audio drop out erratically for the duration of the project, usually after 5 minutes for so. Any suggestions on why (besides heat) this happens? Also, using pure audio in split edits... It is _very_ annoying to have to deal with computing the length of the audio by getting the length of _every_ crouton and adding it. Is there an easier way? Something like clicking them all and seeing the selected length...the manual was _so_ useful....I found about about the to play the project from the selected clip on by accident! JOSH +-----------------------------+ | | | .sig under construction.... | finger joshw@panix.com for PGP Public Key | Please Watch Your Step | PGP fingerprint = E0 E4 9B E9 2F 6C 04 00 | | E8 3C 8B B9 70 1E 83 CE +-----------------------------+ -- Josh Whitehouse posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 30 07:57:42 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA041185861; Tue, 30 May 1995 07:57:42 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA041085856; Tue, 30 May 1995 07:57:36 -0700 Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by UWSTOUT.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #4883) id <01HR3Z3W9L8G00189R@UWSTOUT.EDU>; Tue, 30 May 1995 10:00:51 CST Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 10:00:51 -0600 (CST) From: ED JAKOBER Subject: Errors in LW (Flyer Version) To: toaster@webcom.com Message-Id: <01HR3Z3WB73M00189R@UWSTOUT.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"toaster@webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I have a problem with the LightWave in my Flyer software that has me puzzled. First let me say I have lots of experience in using LW. OK.. I get an error when I try to save an RGB (IFF) file. something like: Unable to find RGB output file. I get a similar error when tring to save a scene. Anybody have any ideas? Never had this problem before. Thanks, Ed Jakobere@uwstout.edu -- ED JAKOBER posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 30 09:34:17 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA079611657; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:34:17 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA079541651; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:34:11 -0700 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id JAA08421; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:36:22 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 09:36:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199505301636.JAA08421@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Re: HQ-5? To: ED JAKOBER Cc: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > > >Hi Thierry, > > One quick question is HQ-5 equal to BetaSP?... or better? HQ-5 looks very, very close to the original Beta SP footage and may be a bit better than the same footage going down one generation when dubbing onto Beta SP. >What is HQ-4 equal to? I don't have access to this quality setting through the 4.03 software I am not using.... Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 30 14:44:36 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA108350275; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:44:36 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA108260271; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:44:31 -0700 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id OAA19769; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:46:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 14:46:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199505302146.OAA19769@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Re: Flyer audio drop out.... To: Josh Whitehouse Cc: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >What I lose is the audio-only clip from the audio-only drive FlyerC0. At >a randon time it will disappear completely, but the drive light still >flashes like it's still playing. It's like the flyer can't cope with a >lot of video transitions _and_ an audio clip. I'm sure my drive is >terminated correctly. > I have never seen this on my Flyer system. From time to time, I'd get a little pop or glitch but I never lost the audio completely. What kind of drive are you using for audio (Brand, capacity and model)? thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 30 14:42:15 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA107110135; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:42:15 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA106940125; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:42:05 -0700 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id OAA19476; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:44:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 14:44:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199505302144.OAA19476@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Fast DPR edit system To: tommie@Pacesetter.COM (Tom Levin) Cc: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >Sure. I'll let you know after I get it back and have a chance to play with >it. I have seen it demo-ed and have read much of the manual, so I'm quite >familiar with it's philosophy and capabilities already. Feel free to ask >any questions. I know that you have the flyer from your postings. One >advantage of the FAST DPR (digital player/recorder) is that it has a >component option (good for your Beta SP decks). The component feature is not very important especially when most of the TV programing is broadcast in a composite way. They are very few edit suites that are fully component all the way through because people just cannot afford the all component concept. Compression schemes and hardware quality is a much more important factor for the quality of digital video. I checked the Fast DPR at NAB and have been quite unimpressed by the image quality and the look of the hardware especially the connections on the board. Also, the system they were demoing was crashing every.... minute or so. But the demonstrator kept repeating that they were still running some beta software, that they could do much better with the picture quality and that the board was going to be equipped with a really strudy and professional external connection "hub box". Promises...? The Flyer still has limited possibilities but is very, very stable. I have yet to see it crash on me even when trying wild sequences.... oh yes, sometimes CG scrolls are a little funcky. Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 30 18:44:37 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA018674677; Tue, 30 May 1995 18:44:37 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA018544673; Tue, 30 May 1995 18:44:33 -0700 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id SAA26159; Tue, 30 May 1995 18:46:52 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 18:46:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199505310146.SAA26159@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Subject: Re: How is the Flyer? To: jerickso@vogon.islandnet.com (Joel Erickson) Cc: toaster@webcom.com Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >> I don't quite understand your point here. No it "doesn't slow down" and >> A/B roll edits are perfects. There are still a few sequencing problems >> that are being addressed and will be fixed in the next software update. > >Right on... What I was asking was, say, if you have footage with huge >moving objects, if you miss frames or get really low quality frames, >like you do with the PAR? > No, you don't see this kind of problem especially with the new HQ-5 video quality. Fast moving object are not a problem for VTASC, however, wide areas with very fine detail like a brick wall used to be a problem when digitizing using the "standard" quality. Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* -- thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Tue May 30 20:55:38 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA085182538; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:55:38 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mill2.millcomm.com by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA084882526; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:55:26 -0700 Received: by mill2.millcomm.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0sGeuV-000MbjC; Tue, 30 May 95 22:57 CDT Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 22:57:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Ed Smith Subject: Re: Fast DPR edit system To: Thierry Humeau Cc: Tom Levin , toaster@webcom.com In-Reply-To: <199505302144.OAA19476@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 30 May 1995, Thierry Humeau wrote: > The component feature is not very important especially when most of the TV > programing is broadcast in a composite way. They are very few edit suites that are > fully component all the way through because people just cannot afford the all > component concept. Compression schemes and hardware quality is a much more > important factor for the quality of digital video. I checked the Fast DPR at NAB You're a bit mislead. Component video is important for Non-Linear editing. And decent encoding is probably THE most important feature in a Non-linear editing system. The better encoding you have, the less compression bandwidth is eaten up compressing the noise. In other words, the cleaner the signal, the easier it is to compress. Therefore, you will compress it less (with any system that has adaptive compression) for the bandwith you're using. Composite video has WAY too much artifacting to be really easy to compress. Think about how hard your composite non-linear system has to work to compress all the chroma-crawl. You can cut bandwidth by probably 1/4 to 1/3 by going from a composite to a component system. Also, in my experience, the DPR has been WAY more stable then the flyers that I've been working with. Just be sure not to underestimate the value of a clean video signal going in. There's a HUGE difference between component and composite. Hell, even Y/C is a magnitude better than composite. > -- > thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) posted this message. > -- Ed Smith posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 31 07:07:47 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA048029267; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:07:47 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA047919260; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:07:41 -0700 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA061659462; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:11:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 10:11:02 -0400 From: RME3D@aol.com Message-Id: <950531101101_82091707@aol.com> To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: New Media should change its name! Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk To the Editor of NEW MEDIA I am disappointed about your (non-existent/positive) coverage of the Video Toaster or Video Toaster Flyer. RE: TRINITY UPSTAGES Video Toaster at NAB June '95 by: Becky Waring The title is totally inappropriate. There was NO MENTION of the Video Toaster Flyer; A NON-LINEAR Video Editor based around the Video Toaster, and the Video Toaster Flyer (that is already shipping). When a company is actually shipping a product, [Video Toaster Flyer] that does what it does, TODAY, I would not say that PLAY upstaged the Video Toaster. My Flyer is in my studio NOW! (Note: Trinity is impressive, but its not shipping, yet!) I am not watching the AMIGA platform fade away, I am busy creating with my Video Toaster Flyer. I don’t believe the founders of PLAY were Ex-Newtek engineers. I thought there were Ex-Vice-Pres. (P. Montgomery), Ex-Marketing (M.Randall) and “some” engineers, who teamed up with an existing AMIGA vendor Digital Creations. Commodore AMIGA was purchased by ESCOM, and It wouldn’t have hurt to mention that bit of news What you think is NEW to your subscribers, is not what’s really NEW, just what YOU WANT THEM TO THINK IS NEW! Since you don’t cover NEW MEDIA properly you should change your name. -- RME3D@aol.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 31 07:32:03 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA056390723; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:32:03 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.crl.com by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA056320720; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:32:00 -0700 Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA05741 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 07:34:14 -0700 Received: by crl.crl.com id AA10309 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Wed, 31 May 1995 07:34:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 07:34:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Andrew Johnson To: RME3D@aol.com Cc: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Re: New Media should change its name! In-Reply-To: <950531101101_82091707@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk So, did you forward this message on to New Media??? -Carl http://www.crl.com/~cjohnson -- Carl Andrew Johnson posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 31 08:40:23 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA086744823; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:40:23 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from crow.csrv.uidaho.edu by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA086674817; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:40:17 -0700 Received: from marvin.csrv.uidaho.edu ([129.101.5.3]) by crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA09862 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:42:57 -0700 Received: from MARVIN/MAILQUEUE by marvin.csrv.uidaho.edu (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 31 May 95 8:43:36 -800 Received: from MAILQUEUE by MARVIN (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 31 May 95 8:43:34 -800 From: "cbrotherton" Organization: University of Idaho To: toaster@webcom.com Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 8:46:17 PST8PDT Subject: a chat with NewTek tech support... Reply-To: cbrotherton@marvin.csrv.uidaho.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac (v2.1.2) Message-Id: <5FF0907D3C@marvin.csrv.uidaho.edu> Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk After many tries, I finally got through to NewTek to discuss a few problems I've encountered using 4.03 as a sequencer (the way I used 3.1/3.5). Here are the questions I asked, and the answers I got: 1. Q. The 4.03 CG will not load books created with Toaster 3.1. Why? A. NewTek is aware of this, but the tech guy I talked with was unaware of any pending solution. I noticed that the 3.1 and 4.03 cg text files are different, but ED can't edit old cg text files due to their containing binary. Perhaps MEMacs could do it, but I'm not familiar with that little program. Yet. 2. Q. Okay, since I can't use old books, I'll have to use 3.1 occasionally. But, hey, now that I have 4.03 loaded on my machine, CG 3.1 doesn't like any of the older FontBank PS fonts! What gives? A. There is a solution to this one. Go to the Libs directory, and add "(4.03)" to the end of the "post.library" and "psnf.library" files. From the 3.1 "install" disk, copy the "post.library" and "psnf.library" files into the Libs directory, and restart your Amiga. Start 3.1 (from a Bernoulli disk, in my case) and the CG should load all its old fonts. To go back to CG 4.03, delete the "(4.03)" suffixes, and add "(3.1)" to the 3.1 .library files. (Note that most of the 4.03 PS files --except Softmaker fonts-- work just fine with the 3.1 .library files.) 3. Q. I render a single frame from a Lightwave scene, and try to save it as a framestore from the DV1 or DV2 buffer. The Switcher saves the wrong frame buffer, then crashes. Why? A. Tech Support had heard of this one, and even replicated it once. There's a similar bug in saving from TPaint (the first save fails, the second works, no crash). The problem seems to lie in the rendering to the frame buffer. No solution, but the workaround is to save the frame from the "record" menu inside LW. In my opinion, the jury is still out on this new Toaster. I like the new features in CG and Paint, but the Switcher is clumsier than 3.1's. One problem I forgot to bring up with tech support is the Switcher's tendency to crash when I reselect a file. For example, I click on the Bernoulli's framestore icon. The Amiga grinds for a few minutes as it converts filenames for a couple hundred framestores into buttons or icons. I drag my selections into the project window, and move on. If I forget one, and try to go back to the large directory, the Switcher crashes. It's a pain in the neck. Got any more bugs? I'd like to hear about them. I'm not using the Flyer yet, so I can't discuss it (and, to tell you the truth, I'm not too interested at this point). But if you use Toaster 4.03 for plain old tape editing, I'd be interested in learning any tricks you've figured out. (BTW, I'm using an A4000 with 18mb RAM and and 850mb Seagate drive, with an external Bernoulli 230 box.) Thanks for listening. Chuck -- "cbrotherton" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 31 15:11:43 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA204688303; Wed, 31 May 1995 15:11:43 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from phoenix.net (phoenix.phoenix.net) by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA204508289; Wed, 31 May 1995 15:11:29 -0700 Received: from jbctn.phoenix.net ([199.3.234.78]) by phoenix.net (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA10409; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:15:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 May 95 17:02:33 PDT From: John Bourg Subject: PAR FOR SALE! To: lightwave@webcom.com, toaster@webcom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk FOR SALE! DPS Personnal Animation Record with latest software updates and Segate 1.2Gig Hard Disk in excellent working order, already repacked in original box with manuals etc. (remove due to Flyer). $1695 ------------------------------------- Have a Nice Day! John Bourg - Production Manager Computer Television Network jbctn@phoenix.net ------------------------------------- -- John Bourg posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 31 20:40:33 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA057358032; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:40:33 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from bos1h.delphi.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA057038012; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:40:12 -0700 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HR666ZSS8W9JDIOM@delphi.com>; Wed, 31 May 1995 23:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 23:43:33 -0400 (EDT) From: MADVIDEO@delphi.com Subject: Re: Flyer 4.03 Bugs/Test Report To: ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca, toaster@webcom.com Message-Id: <01HR666ZTBJM9JDIOM@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: IN%"ilancast@juliet.stfx.ca" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"toaster@webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk On the money. RGB the makers of Amilink are in the same boat we are. They need Newtek to release a final version so they can go into heavy development of thier Timeline interface and also for the update to the current Amilink. RGB has told me that they would be 2-3 months behind the final release of the Flyer software. If Newtek has finalized the Software and they are only working on bug fixes than RGB and other companies can go into further development. Until RGB's new interface for the Flyer comes out I recommend The Decision Maker by Visual Inspirations. DM uses VLans (Amilink to control your decks and Flyer so you will have a EDL of what you input into the Flyer. I've been beta testing this product for a few months and at the price its a great add on for Flyer Amilink owners, though it doesn't help you with your timeline interface. Marc Dole 603-659-7778 * Alpha Animator / Amiga Re-Animator / Flyer Pilot -- MADVIDEO@delphi.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 31 20:47:23 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA061228443; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:47:23 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from bos1a.delphi.com by webcom.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA061088431; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:47:11 -0700 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HR66FOS51K9JDIOM@delphi.com>; Wed, 31 May 1995 23:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 23:50:31 -0400 (EDT) From: MADVIDEO@delphi.com Subject: Re: Calling all UVW 1800 Owners To: tony0@aloha.net, toaster@webcom.com Message-Id: <01HR66FOSEOQ9JDIOM@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: IN%"tony0@aloha.net" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"toaster@webcom.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk The 2 add ons you spoke of The Little magic box, and the Personal Comp Adapter, and also the YC plus have not make a difference. One of the guys I know has a Personal Comp Adapter that seams to be bad and it gives him bleed through between channels, but DPS should fix that. When I find out more I'll let yoy know Marc Dole 603-659-7778 * Alpha Animator / Amiga ReAnimator / Flyer Pilot -- MADVIDEO@delphi.com posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com From owner-toaster@webcom.com Wed May 31 20:56:20 1995 Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA067008980; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:56:20 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.infinet.com (ns.infinet.com) by webcom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA066928976; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:56:16 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0sH1Nb-000JxNC; Wed, 31 May 95 23:57 EDT Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 23:57:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. David Johnson" X-Sender: jdavid@rigel To: toaster@webcom.com Subject: Orange Gels Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster@webcom.com Precedence: bulk I remember reading in the past about orange gels used to backlight a chroma-keyed subject thereby reducing/counteracting blue-bounce. Does anyone know the proper orange gel # & such that provides good results? TIA! J. David - Video GT -- "J. David Johnson" posted this message. To Post a message : toaster@webcom.com For Un/Subscription requests : toaster-request@webcom.com (DIGEST) OR : toaster-digest-request@webcom.com Administrative Messages : owner-toaster@webcom.com