From owner-toaster-l Sat Apr 1 19:49:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.11/Netcom) id TAA20823; Sat, 1 Apr 1995 19:35:55 -0800 Received: from graphics by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.11/Netcom) id TAA10421; Sat, 1 Apr 1995 19:10:43 -0800 Received: by graphics.rent.com (Amiga SMTPpost 1.04 December 9, 1994) id AA01; Sat, 1 Apr 95 22:12:31 EST Received: by graphics.rent.com (Amiga SMTPpost 1.04 December 9, 1994) id AA01; Sat, 1 Apr 95 22:06:23 EST Newsgroups: lists.toaster Subject: PIV-2000 Distribution: world X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! BBS v1.21i From: dak@graphics.rent.com (Stephen Datkowitz) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 95 22:06:23 EST Organization: The NEW Graphics BBS * +1 908/469-0049 * Piscataway, NJ USA Message-ID: <19950401.6EF748.13B6A@graphics.rent.com> To: toaster-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Hi all, Need some help with a PIV-2000 editing system. I'm currently using 1.27 vr. software and I'm told there's a 2.75 version around. Does anyone know where I might get a copy of it? Thanks in advance . . DAK -- -- Steve Datkowitz The NEW Graphics BBS 908/469-0049 "It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!" FidoNet : Steve Datkowitz@1:107/320.0 -- PCGNet : {real}@9:510/271.0 Internet: dak@graphics.rent.com From owner-toaster-l Sun Apr 2 20:20:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.11/Netcom) id TAA23549; Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:07:07 -0700 Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.11/Netcom) id TAA23507; Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:06:54 -0700 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA26935; Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:05:52 -0700 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:05:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199504030205.TAA26935@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) Subject: Flyer 4.02 Bug Report To: toaster-l@netcom.com Cc: cronise@ssl.msfc.nasa.gov Cc: jkrutz@meta.burner.com Cc: sales@rgbcorp.mhs.compuserve.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Hi everybody, I have been using Flyer 4.02 for a few days and spent (a lot of time) compiling a list of bugs found. Feel free to comment on this and help make the Flyer fly.. Thierry. VIDEO FLYER ver 4.02 BUG REPORT Date: 4/2/95 From: Thierry Humeau Tel: 301-933-3008 Extract from Newtek notes in 4.02 Flyer software release (3/17/95): - Default "In Point" setting for audio clips does not work - Key pages currently cut. They don't fade in or out. - Right Only does not work on Audio Playback control panel - Start time audio overlay doesn't respect SMPTE - Anim Wipes sometimes fail in a sequence on the 2000 - Multiple Chroma FX problems - etc ...... Hello, Beside the bugs and non-working functions described (and partly listed above) by Newtek in the notes document included with version 4.02 of the Flyer, I have experienced the following problems. >>>My configuration: A2000/PP&S Zeus 040/33mhz accelerator w/16 meg ram Workbench 2.1 Mega chip 2000, ICD Flicker Free Video display enhancer VT 2000 card, Flyer card #8002315 2 Seagate Elite-9 drives (latest revision #016) 1 Seagate SCSI 2 Hawk , 1 Gig for audio 1 Quantum SCSI 2 Empire, 1 Gig for Amiga programs Digitizing Artifacts: ************************* Quite far from the D2 quality offered by a $50,000 Sony recorder as Newtek ad claims the digitized video looks in most case good but not as good as Betacam SP..... Video shots with pan moves, fine detailed contrasted area and high luminance values are the worst to digitize (e.i. wide pans of bare trees in front of a bright overcast sky). Also, digitizing video footage that includes graphic overlays creates sometimes problems. Most of the observable artifacts are moire rainbows and softening/flickering of the video. According to Newtek, this is due to the amount of details and the inability for the drive to keep up with it. I don't quite by this since I have seen better results with other non-linear edit system using the same drives.... In result, the digitizing quality drops and the digitized clips loose sharpness. I hope to see further improvements in the VTASC compression scheme ..... Sequencing of events: ************************************ >>>Audio Glitch on Split Edits: Many times, audio glitch occur at the split point of an "audio follow video" of a split type edit. This occurs when the video clip audio playback goes from the video drive the clip is located on to the audio only drive. I noticed that everytime a split edit is set, the audio-only portion of the video clip is copied onto the audio-only C drive and is played back from this drive. I found a fix to this problem by inserting a quick dissolve where the audio and the video tracks splits. This smoothes out the glitch. Also, this fixes the problem, we've got to be able to do split edits with cut transitions. >>>Audio Playback Problems When "Playing Back From" Clip: When playing back a sequence from a video clip using the "play from" button, I cannot get any audio event started before to playback even if it is overlaping the clip. I don't have any problems playing these audio clips when playing back the sequence from a point located before the audio clip position. >>>CG keys CG keys can only hold on one video clip, if a cut or transition occurs to an other clip, the CG key cuts out. Also, CG keys strat time seems to always default to 1sec. whatever value is entered in the start time window. >>>Effects Chroma effects are almost unusable in a project, they also crash pretty bad. Overlays effects (old movie, snow, count down,...) do not work properly. Toaster Paint: *********************** It looks like TPaint for the Amiga 2000 is full of bug. TPaint 1.0 was very reliable on my 2000 and would never crash. I cannot say the same for this new version.... Here is a list of most of the bug I have encontered: >>>Render to Buffer - The "render to buffer" operation is very funicky. F10 use to take the TPaint display to the program monitor. When trying this now, the TPaint screen starts appearing on the Toaster program output from top to bottom. Once finished, the program display turns black. In to have my TPaint image back on the program monitor, I have to play back and forth with the F9/F10 key combination but sometimes it works and sometimes, the display timing gets screwed up, the all toaster output screen turns black and flickers and I have to reload and other framestore to get things back to normal. Also, on certain occasion, the machine will crash. These needs to be fixed ASAP. >>>Screen Size/Mode - It looks like the new TPaint for the A2000 doesn't have the 1/4 screen mode anymore. It's nice in some way but when painting medium to small areas, it is very difficult to be accurate. Also, the resolution doesn't look to be as good as the 1/4 screen mode of the previous 2000 TPaint. You're probably going to advise me to try using the loop mode, but this mode magnify so much that it's sometimes hard to see where you are and what you are doing . It would be great to be able to adjust the loop ratio..... >>>Text Tool -Is there any way to anti-alias text brush like you can do on textured brushes? Any text generated looks quite jaggy especially when using the rotate option. - After having generated a Text Brush using the Text Tool, there is a lot of garbage hapearing on the top left corner of the screen while moving the brush around. It's blalc & white stuff, kind of hybrid clone of the text brush but with the fonts size and position screwed up. This garbage stays on the screen after stamping the text brush down and that's really annoying.... - Whenever color you pick in the color requester, a text brush is always stamped white unless you use the range mode which allows to color the text, is this normal? >>>Brush Size - 50% of the time, the brush size slider does not work properly. In order to change the size, I have first to click somewhere in the brush size slider (for some reason, I cannot drag the slider with the pointer) and then move the pointer above the tools windows to see the slider move to a new location, just weired...... >>>Brush Tool - The brush tool does not work when selecting the full image option (either clicking on full image of pressing the w key). It may also crash the program. - The undo/redo function doesn't remember where the brush was previously stamped. Trying to undo/redo brush stamps crashes TPaint most of the time. >>>Clip Processing - The "Make Still" Process Screen doesn't work. I have been trying to make Flyer Stills from TPaint as stated in the manual. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Sun Apr 2 20:31:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.11/Netcom) id TAA24888; Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:16:36 -0700 Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.11/Netcom) id TAA24748; Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:15:43 -0700 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA27923; Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:14:06 -0700 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:14:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199504030214.TAA27923@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) Subject: Flyer improvements ideas To: toaster-l@netcom.com To: cronise@ssl.msfc.nasa.gov Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Hello, Here is a list of Flyer improvements suggestions I sent to Newtek. Feel free to make any comments and squeeze in your own feelings! Thierry. FLYER IMPROVEMENTS SUGGESTIONS: Date: 4/2/95 From: Thierry Humeau Current software version: 4.02 Tel: 301-933-3008 Fax: 301-933-3868 >>>My configuration: A2000/PP&S Zeus 040/33mhz accelerator w/16 meg ram Workbench 2.1 Mega chip 2000, ICD Flicker Free Video display enhancer VT 2000 card, Flyer card #8002315 2 Seagate Elite-9 drives (latest revision #016) 1 Seagate SCSI 2 Hawk , 1 Gig for audio 1 Quantum SCSI 2 Empire, 1 Gig internal Amiga drive. Video Quality: ************* Quite far from the D2 quality offered by a $50,000 Sony recorder as Newtek ad claims the digitized video looks in most case good but not as good as Betacam SP..... Video shots with pan moves, fine detailed contrasted area and high luminance values are the worst to digitize (e.i. wide pans of bare trees in front of a bright overcast sky). Also, digitizing video footage that includes graphic overlays creates sometimes problems. Most of the observable artifacts are moire rainbows and softening/flickering of the video. According to Newtek, this is due to the amount of details and the inability for the drive to keep up with it. I don't quite by this since I have seen better results with other non-linear edit system using the same drives.... In result, the digitizing quality drops and the digitized clips loose sharpness. I hope to see further improvements in the VTASC compression scheme ..... Improve Location and Timing of Video/Audio events (CRUTIAL) ********************************************************* It is very tricky to properly time audio/video clips relative to Program time and/or background events. There are two essential reasons for this: 1) The program accumulated and total time should be updated after any change made to the project and displayed in the project and/or process windows. 2) While editing an audio or video event in the process window, there is no way to monitor other video/audio tracks overlaping the clip. Example: Cutting video clips onto a background music track, multiple cut-aways on a talking head, etc.... Proposed Solutions: 1) When opening a clip Process window and making changes to the clip edit points, the program time should update while changing clip edit points. Also, selctive monitoring of other audio/video events occuring in the backgound should be possible so the clip being edited can be positioned/timed relative these other events. As an example, you could precisely cut video clips to a music or narration track running in the background, very basic stuff. At present, the only way to do that is to use a stop-watch while playing back the sequence, not so practical..... Such a feature would also greatly facilitate the building of multiple cut-aways on top of a talking head. Has Newtek tech staff seriously tried to insert two or three consecutive cut- aways on a talking head video clip and noticed how tricky it is to match video/audio IN points when the talking face comes back at the end? This is a widely used and very basic editing technique and it should be very easy to complete. 2) We need some kind of slider control that could move to and display any point in the project even if it is located in the middle of a video clip. A "start playing-back from" action should be able to be performed form this point. While shuttling through the Project using this control, audio scrubing should work so precise positioning of further events can be located. Here again, the Program time should be able to update itself while moving though the slider and once a position has been located to either insert or trim audio/video events, they should be a quick and easy way to cut and paste the program TC position. The range of this overall program slider control sould be adjustable with Zoom In/Out controls to allows for presice shuttling through the Project. An alternative could be to have this program control slider to move through the project part currently displayed on the screen. So the differents steps to locate a pecific program postition would be to: - drag the project left sliders until you locate the part of the project you want to work on. - use the new project control slider (may be located accross the screen under the play, stop, process,.... buttons) to move anywhere throug the project displayed part. - press "c" to capture the project time code value of the current cursor position or "i" to insert a new event. 3) Add timing information to the project window. It would be very convenient everytime you highlight a crouton in the project windows to have timing information displayed on the top of the project window next to the program time instead of having to open the clip process window. The information could appear as follows: ____________________________________________________________________________ Clip name Clip duration Prgm accum. time at Clip Out point Prgm Total dur. This should also work when selecting multiple clips, the "Clip duration" would just display the total added time of all the highlighted clips and the Prgm accumulated time would be relative to the last highlighted clip Out point. Improve Clip Process Window Time Code entry (MINOR) ********************************************** 1) Beside the current way to alter time-code values, right-clicking and hold on a time-code window could bring up a pull down menu with the different options: - Trim: enter a + or - number of frames - Copy: would copy the displayed time-code onto the clipboard - Paste: would paste the clipboard time-code onto the time-code window New Clip Window: ***************** - It would be nice to be able to save audio or video clips directly into Flyer drives created sub-folder so we would not have to do the long and tedious process of going to the files/files mode, drag the croutons to the proper directory and delete the previous ones. - The audio meters should have a range of leds like you can find on any tape deck or receiver. This would facilitate the adjustement of an optimal audio input level. Time Code capture (IMPORTANT) ******************************* I'd really like to be wrong here but I understand that you opted for an RS-232 protocol to read VTR time code form the Flyer serial connectors. I cannot beleive that this choice was made considering than today, RS-422 is the defacto standard for most of the industrial/broadcast machine controls. Is there any easy way to use these serial ports as RS-422? I know about the Horita TC/RS-232 translator but that's an extra $500 and an extra box to add to the system. Improve Audio level adjustment. There is no easy way to program and variate the level of a music track playing over sound bytes or narration. (CRUTIAL) *********************************************************************** >From the Audio Clip Process window, we should be able to have the option to monitor other audio tracks while shuttling through the clip. Moving the slider would allow monitoring of other audio tracks overlaping this audio clip, locate, mark and assign keyframes with an audio level assigned to them. To avoid altering the already set In and Out points, just clicking within the marked audio clip range could add a third slider just to shuttle through the clip to look for positioning information. This could also be implemented in the video clips process windows. TPaint Video Clip Processing. (IMPORTANT) ***************************************** - All these processing capabilities are really nice but they are also very slow. Don't you think you should try to bypass loading clip image in TPaint and do Clip processing direclty from the Project interface using plug-ins or arexx macros that don't call up TPaint? I am not a programmer so I don't know how difficult this would be but as a user point of view, all the process you can do on a VTASC clip now is really slow to render even on my 68040/33mhz machine. However, rotoscoping always takes time and using TPaint for that is no problem. Miscelleneous: ************* - In the Files/Files interface mode, they should be an option to move and not copy files from one window to the other. May be after having selected croutons and dragging them to an other window, a requester could offer a moving or copying alternative. - Keyboard shortcuts for all basic operations would be welcome. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Sun Apr 2 22:07:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.11/Netcom) id VAA26054; Sun, 2 Apr 1995 21:55:46 -0700 Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.11/Netcom) id VAA26047; Sun, 2 Apr 1995 21:55:43 -0700 From: djmccoy (Daniel J. McCoy) Message-Id: <199504030455.VAA26047@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: ADMIN: Weekly Reminder To: toaster-l@netcom.com Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 21:55:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3313 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Last Update : December 17, 1994 This message is to serve as a reminder that this mailing list is oriented towards topics on the Video Toaster. Messages really meant as private e-mail should be directed to that person's internet address rather than the list. Also, please use proper netiquette. Not everyone enjoys messages that have previous messages quoted verbatim. Not everyone has 132 column terminals. Please don't feel there's too many restrictions though. This mailing list is meant for exchange of information. Also keep in mind that your replies go directly to the author of the message you are replying to. 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DIR /pub/dj/djmccoy/Toaster or LS /pub/dj/djmccoy/Toaster Questions or Other Items ------------------------ Questions and other list items can be directed to djmccoy@netcom.com or owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Lightwave Mailing List ---------------------- If you're interested in the Lightwave mailing list, you can subscribe by following the directions above under 'Subscription Information". Instead of sending "subscribe toaster-l", substitute "toaster-l" with "lightwave-l". Alternatively, if you have access to the Usenet newsgroups, take a look at comp.graphics.packages.lightwave. -- Daniel J. McCoy BIX: dmccoy Internet : djmccoy@primenet.com, djmccoy@netcom.com, dan@acti.com From owner-toaster-l Mon Apr 3 14:49:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail.netcom.com (8.6.11/Netcom) id KAA04347; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 10:48:07 -0700 Received: from mail.nyc.pipeline.com by mail.netcom.com (8.6.11/Netcom) id KAA04001; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 10:46:15 -0700 Received: from pipe4.nyc.pipeline.com (pipe4.nyc.pipeline.com [198.80.32.44]) by mail.nyc.pipeline.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id NAA15907; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 13:48:33 -0400 Received: (justin@localhost) by pipe4.nyc.pipeline.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA27998; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 13:48:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 13:48:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Justin Austin Subject: toaster/retinaz3->vcoder<- To: toaster-l@netcom.com cc: comp.sys.amiga.graphics@pipeline.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Anyone having problems getting a useable signal out of the retina Vcoder. No matter what I do, i.e., tbc->toaster input 2,3,4, or vcoder->y/c monitor] I get a very crappy, jerky image??? anyone?? From owner-toaster-l Tue Apr 4 08:22:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.11/Netcom) id IAA17971; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:04:58 -0700 Received: from VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU by mail.netcom.com (8.6.11/Netcom) id UAA01938; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 20:58:05 -0700 Received: from VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU by VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3609; Mon, 03 Apr 95 23:57:01 EDT Received: from UDCVAX.BITNET (NJE origin MXMAILER@UDCVAX) by VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5165; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 23:57:01 -0400 Received: by UDCVAX.BITNET (MX V3.3 VAX) id 24557; Mon, 03 Apr 1995 23:57:56 EST Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 23:57:56 EST From: John To: TOASTER-L@netcom.com CC: jgraham%UDCVAX.BITNET@VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU Message-ID: <0098E5A7.34643020.24557@UDCVAX.BITNET> Subject: RE: Flyer 4.02 Bug Report Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list > >>>>My configuration: >A2000/PP&S Zeus 040/33mhz accelerator w/16 meg ram What version of the 68040.library are you useing? should be 37.10 And witch version of setpatch, should be 40.14 or 40.16 >Workbench 2.1 >Mega chip 2000, ICD Flicker Free Video display enhancer >VT 2000 card, Flyer card #8002315 >2 Seagate Elite-9 drives (latest revision #016) >1 Seagate SCSI 2 Hawk , 1 Gig for audio >1 Quantum SCSI 2 Empire, 1 Gig for Amiga programs > John H. Graham Broadcast Video Sytems Engineer jgraham@UDCVAX.BITNET University of the District of Columbia From owner-toaster-l Tue Apr 4 15:50:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA28720; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 12:47:44 -0700 Received: from great-miami.iac.net by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA28678; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 12:47:31 -0700 Received: from slb.iac.net by great-miami.iac.net with SMTP id PAA20466; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:49:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:49:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199504041949.PAA20466@great-miami.iac.net> X-Sender: scottbe@iac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster-l@netcom.com From: scottbe@iac.net (Scott Bennett) Subject: Re: PAR:/micky mouse:/TBC IV Cc: videoman@mindgames.com (Jeffrey Hall) Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list > I recently added 2 TBC IV's to my toaster setup. And I have a PAR. > My questions are these: > > 1- The new manual sent to me by DPS says in the imp/exp requester I can >export as "Framestore"....but it is not there....IFF export is fine except if >you want to use the image from the switcher. You have to convert the >IFF...pain in the dupas. Am I missing something? Where does it say this? I checked the manual and it never lists Framestore as an export option. Please let me know if I am overlooking it so I can get the manual changed. > 2- The manual (TBC or PAR, I don't remember) says that in orber to use >the PAR as a capture device the TBC IV _MUST_ be genlocked FROM the PAR...ie- >the PAR video out split and routed to the sync in of the TBC IV. > > a- In this arrangement would the PAR have to be input one to the >Toaster? No. The TBC could be used as input 1, just so the other devices are genlocked to this TBC. > b- If so why not connect the TBC IV to the PAR sync in so the PAR can be >other than input one to the Toaster? >This arrangement would negate having to adjust the Horizonial and sub-carrier >of at least one TBC therefore allowing a 'cleaner signal' through the #1 TBC. > At least this makes sense to me but I have limited experience with this. If you are going to be feeding the output of the PAR to the Toaster it should be on input 1. Alternatively you could feed a black burst to the PAR, and to Input 1 of the Toaster then the PAR could be on any input. In order for the PAR to do the most accurate capturing the TBC needs to be genlocked from the PAR. > > My set-up currently is as follows..and I see no problems.. > > #1 TBC IV video out connected to #2 TBC IV sync in through a T >connector, then fron the #2 TBC sync to the PAR sync in. > > #1 TBC IV video out to input one of the Toaster > #2 TBC IV video out to input 2 of the Toaster > #3 PAR video out to input 3 of the Toaster > Input #4 looking for a good home.... > > This brings me to my final Q-- > > It appears that the PAR is at the end of the sync chain, therefore do >I need to install the 75 (where my olm key?) termination jumper on the PAR >board? Or is it necessary since the PAR is going to input #3 of the Toaster >which is terminated??? No, the PAR is being terminated in the Toaster. This is not the way I would recommend to setup the system, this setup could cause timing problems when capturing. > Scott Bennett Voice: 606-371-5533 < < Digital Processing Systems, Inc FAX: 606-371-3729 > > scottbe@iac.net BBS: 416-754-8368 < > Scott Bennett Voice: 606-371-5533 < < Digital Processing Systems, Inc FAX: 606-371-3729 > > scottbe@iac.net BBS: 416-754-8368 < > Scott Bennett Voice: 606-371-9690 < < Expert Services/ECO Development FAX: 606-282-5942 > > scottbe@iac.net BBS: 606-282-5943 < From owner-toaster-l Tue Apr 4 19:58:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.11/Netcom) id SAA21889; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 18:14:31 -0700 Received: from VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA02264; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:37:38 -0700 Received: from VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU by VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7383; Tue, 04 Apr 95 18:39:56 EDT Received: from UDCVAX.BITNET (NJE origin MXMAILER@UDCVAX) by VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0329; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 18:39:56 -0400 Received: by UDCVAX.BITNET (MX V3.3 VAX) id 31620; Tue, 04 Apr 1995 18:40:53 EST Date: Tue, 04 Apr 1995 18:40:53 EST From: John To: TOASTER-L@netcom.com CC: jgraham%UDCVAX.BITNET@VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU Message-ID: <0098E644.14781B80.31620@UDCVAX.BITNET> Subject: RE: Flyer 4.02 Bug Report Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list In a previous article, wrote: >Message sent: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 23:57:56 EST. > >> >>>>>My configuration: >>A2000/PP&S Zeus 040/33mhz accelerator w/16 meg ram What version of the 68040.library are you useing? should be 37.30 And witch version of setpatch, should be 40.14 or 40.16 >>Workbench 2.1 >>Mega chip 2000, ICD Flicker Free Video display enhancer >>VT 2000 card, Flyer card #8002315 >>2 Seagate Elite-9 drives (latest revision #016) >>1 Seagate SCSI 2 Hawk , 1 Gig for audio >>1 Quantum SCSI 2 Empire, 1 Gig for Amiga programs >> > > > John H. Graham Broadcast Video Sytems Engineer >jgraham@UDCVAX.BITNET University of the District of Columbia John H. Graham Broadcast Video Sytems Engineer jgraham@UDCVAX.BITNET University of the District of Columbia From owner-toaster-l Tue Apr 4 21:38:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.11/Netcom) id WAA19770; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 22:41:28 -0700 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.11/Netcom) id WAA19747; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 22:41:21 -0700 Received: by iglou.iglou.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rw1P9-00023XC; Tue, 4 Apr 95 01:43 EDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 01:43 EDT From: michael@iglou.com (Michael Meshew) To: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Flyer Ready system for sale Content-Length: 1465 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Flyer ready Amiga 4000/Video Toaster 4000 system for sale. 1) Amiga 4000 040 25mhz with 14 megs of ram, 120 meg IDE hard drive, 210 meg SCSI hard drive with DataFlyer SCSI controller, 2) Video Toaster 4000 card with 3.1 Toaster software & 3.5 Lightwave software. Video Toaster 4000 card registration can be transferred so you can receive futures upgrades, 3) Commodore 2002 RGB color monitor, 4) Software packages including; T-Rexx PRO, Wavemaker, Deluxe Paint 4, Pixel 3D 2.0, VistaPro 3.0, Scenery Animator 4.0, ProFills #2 & 3, Lightwave 3D Object Interior Design Collections, Lissa, AmigaVision, Imagemaster, Montage, Sparks, Art Department Pro 2.5 & Pro Conversion Pack, AmiBack version 2, ASIM CDFS, Lightwave Diner Object Collection, CD ROM collection including LIGHT-ROM #1, #2 & Texture Gallery(2 ROMS), a ton of 3D objects loaded on hard drive usuable for Lightwave 3D & a few games. All items include original docs & disks and are in excellent condition. Video Toaster 4000 card will include letter of transfer to purchaser. If buyer lives within 150 miles of Louisville, Ky. I will personally deliver & set up the system for you. I am selling the entire system & software for just $3,900.00, which includes shipping. If you are interested, please contact me as soon as possible. Thank You very much! Michael Meshew 4556 South Third Street Louisville, Ky. 40214 (502)363-2986 michael@iglou.com From owner-toaster-l Wed Apr 5 13:48:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.11/Netcom) id JAA29409; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:53:23 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com by mail3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA29527; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 18:23:18 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA11294; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:25:41 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Tue, 4 Apr 95 20:25 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Tue, 4 Apr 95 20:25 CDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:25:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: PAR:/micky mouse:/TBC IV To: Scott Bennett cc: toaster-l@netcom.com, Jeffrey Hall In-Reply-To: <199504041949.PAA20466@great-miami.iac.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Scott Bennett wrote: > > > 2- The manual (TBC or PAR, I don't remember) says that in orber to use > >the PAR as a capture device the TBC IV _MUST_ be genlocked FROM the PAR...ie- > >the PAR video out split and routed to the sync in of the TBC IV. No, you've got it backwards - you use the video output of the TBC-IV to feed the genlock of the PAR. That's what they give you that funky "Y" cable for, so you can feed one video output to the PAR, and the other output is still available as a regular video output to the Toaster, or whatever. ----------------------------------------------------------------- | John Crookshank MicroTech Solutions, Inc. | | johnc@mcs.com BBS:708-851-3929 Store:708-851-3033 | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-toaster-l Thu Apr 6 08:24:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id FAA04913; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 05:45:34 -0700 Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id FAA04719; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 05:44:23 -0700 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id FAA07183; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 05:43:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 05:43:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199504061243.FAA07183@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) Subject: Flyer most valuable Improvements requested To: cronise@ssl.msfc.nasa.gov To: toaster-l@netcom.com Cc: alyn@netcom.com Cc: sales@rgbcorp.mhs.compuserve.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list FLYER BUGS/IMPROVEMENTs REPORT To: Newtek Tech Support, Drew, Chuck Baker Fax: 913-228-8222 Date: 4/5/95 Pages:3 From: Thierry Humeau Current Flyer Software version: 4.02 Tel: 301-933-3008 Fax: 301-933-3868 >>>My configuration: A2000/PP&S Zeus 040/33mhz accelerator w/16 meg ram Workbench 2.1 68040 lib version 37.4, Setpatch version 38.31 Mega chip 2000, ICD Flicker Free Video display enhancer VT 2000 card, Flyer card #8002315 2 Seagate Elite-9 drives (latest revision #016) 1 Seagate SCSI 2 Hawk , 1 Gig for audio 1 Quantum SCSI 2 Empire, 1 Gig internal Amiga drive. Note: This is a follow-up to my previous fax dated April 2, 1995. Hello, I few weeks down the road, I'll have to make a decision of wether or not posting a series of 13 shows on the Flyer for a major New York based network. I like the Flyer but we definetly need to see some improvements before jumping of this kind of gig. So in order to help, I decided to give you all the info I could on a daily user stand point. I hope this will help improve things rapidly...... Thierry Much Needed Improvements in Flyer software on a daily user side: - You must find a way to help us locate and time events relative to the program time. Right now, the program time is useless since it displays only the total project time and only when playing back a project all the way through. Any of the following features added ASAP would make our life much easier. Thanks for taking a close look at these notes and having little thoughts for agonizing Flyer editors...... 1) More Timing Information : We need more timing information displayed in the top of the project window and here is my opinion: ____________________________________________________________ Clip Clip Program Program Total Program Name Duration TC In TC Out Duration A program accumulated duration and total duration update displayed in the top of the screen that would update itself in real time everytime a change is made. The accumulated duration display should be relative to the last highlighted clip In and Out points in the project window. This feature should work while editing clips in the Process window so beside the clip In and Out point, the editor could also relate to the Program In and Outs which is critical 50% of the time. 2) Playback of Other Clips While in the Process Window: I know that there are some hardware limitations but I feel that the Flyer could handle playing back at least one extra video/audio track on top of the clip being edited. It would be awesome for fine tuning purposes to be able to select from the process or the project windows, at least one other video/audio track to monitor while fine tuning the clip. ex: a good one here would be adjusting a video clip to fit in between two beats of an audio crouton triggered several clips earlier (e.i. music video editing technique) 3) Hot key for Capture of Program Time Code One other thing which could be (I thing) simple to integrate would be a hot key (maybe just g for "get" or "grab" time code) that would allow the editor to capture the program time while playing back the project or portion of the project. The grabbed time code could be automatically copied onto the clipboard and pasted in the clips process window if you manage to give us the possibility to edit these clips by also changing their program In and Out points. Assuming that the program timing information mentioned in 1) is working this could be a workaround to precisely time clips relative to the program time if monitoring other tracks as mentioned in paragraph 2) is for now too complicated. New Various Bugs Discovered: Project Interface / Sequencing of Events: - For some reason, audio playback of audio only clip or split audio portion of a video clip does not work if "playing from" a clip located right after or still overlaping these audio clips. A real pain in the butt..... - The requirements for loading FS and effects are now really udge and I can barely sequence several FS together if their duration is set to under 5 sec. And that's just using 1 sec dissolves. As far as I remember, .94 was doing better than that. TPaint 2000 (too buggy to sort it out but anyway, these are just a few...) - Major problem with display buffers managment. Have you seriously tried it? - Make Flyer Stills describe in Flyer tutorials does not work - Could we flip back to the 2000 1/4 display for better painting precision and resolution. The magnify mode is still awfull and really hard to use? - Cutting out brushes and pasting them stamps B&W garbage at top left of the screen. - Fill tools work whenever they want - etc..... Toaster CG - Scroll pages don't support drop shadows - Some scroll pages seem to freeze the system. At least it happened to me after having setup a scroll page using Bodoni 40 pts saving it and putting it in a project. - I cannot get the "Startup Script" to work - The "Chart Font" script is great but can get really screwy depending of the font you are trying it on. That's all for today but still more to come... Good luck and congrats for all the good work already done! Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Fri Apr 7 00:57:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA28084; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 23:40:21 -0700 Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA27490; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 23:35:28 -0700 From: djmccoy (Daniel J. McCoy) Message-Id: <199504070635.XAA27490@netcom21.netcom.com> Subject: GOOD NEWS! I can DECOMPRESS! :) To: lightwave-l@netcom.com Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 23:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1311 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list As I've pointed out a week or two ago, I migrated into the PC world. Thinking there as an NT version of LHA, I happily compressed 300MB+ worth of objects, textures, and mailing list/newsgroup message archives and transferred them to my new PC and then sold off all my Amigas. To my horror, there WAS no LHA for NT specifically and the DOS LHA truncated all the darn filenames. Welp! Two C++ compilers later (Visual C++'s preprocessor parsing ain't that hot nor are its error codes. Symantec's C++ is a LOT better!) and lots of lost hair and sleep later, I have successfully compiled the Unix LHA as a Win32 console app and the darn thing actually worked! I've managed to decompress a few of the files for test purposes and the files look good. Though the rest of the LHA functionality might not be there, all I needed was extraction. :) SO! Hopefully by the end of this weekend, I will be caught up with all the message archives (both mailing lists and newsgroup) and send them to tomahawk (new new home for the files thanks to Keith) and I can get back to abnormal! Dan Who's looked at bizarre code before but the Unix LHA code was one bizarre puppy! -- Daniel J. McCoy BIX: dmccoy Internet : djmccoy@primenet.com, djmccoy@netcom.com, dan@acti.com From owner-toaster-l Sat Apr 8 00:44:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id AAA25317; Sat, 8 Apr 1995 00:12:52 -0700 Received: from mail.crl.com by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id AAA25305; Sat, 8 Apr 1995 00:12:47 -0700 Received: from crl8.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA00972 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 00:10:24 -0700 Received: by crl8.crl.com id AA11395 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 00:10:01 -0700 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 00:10:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Andrew Johnson To: Lightwave , toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: PAR and Toaster Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list I've had my PAR for a couple of months now, but never took the time to integrate it in with my Toaster. It was always one or the other. Well tonight, I popped open my PAR manual and carefully wired everything up the way it shows it. Unfortunatly, it doesn't seem to work. I get nasty color shifts and things don't seem to be syncing up like I expected. Any suggestions. Carl From owner-toaster-l Sat Apr 8 09:59:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA02059; Sat, 8 Apr 1995 07:41:06 -0700 Received: from mail.crl.com by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA01919; Sat, 8 Apr 1995 07:40:23 -0700 Received: from crl6.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA05125 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 07:37:58 -0700 Received: by crl6.crl.com id AA27937 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 07:38:53 -0700 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 07:38:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Andrew Johnson To: Lightwave , toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Never Mind (was PAR and Toaster) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list After looking at my TBC IV manual as opposed to my PAR manual, I saw a fix listed. I'll try that out today. Thanks to all who already replied. Carl From owner-toaster-l Sun Apr 9 10:45:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA17964; Sun, 9 Apr 1995 10:35:11 -0700 Received: from armitage.cyberspace.com by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA25656; Sun, 9 Apr 1995 07:07:33 -0700 Received: from case (case.cyberspace.com) by armitage.cyberspace.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23343; Sun, 9 Apr 95 07:06:29 PDT Received: by case (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13798; Sun, 9 Apr 95 07:07:02 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) From: momar X-Sender: momar@case To: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: new flyer Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Is anyone out there besides beta testers getting their Flyer updates? Jim From owner-toaster-l Sun Apr 9 12:01:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id JAA20474; Sun, 9 Apr 1995 09:17:47 -0700 Received: from mail.nyc.pipeline.com by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id IAA17919; Sun, 9 Apr 1995 08:53:32 -0700 Received: from pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com (pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com [198.80.32.41]) by mail.nyc.pipeline.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id LAA19251; Sun, 9 Apr 1995 11:53:17 -0400 Received: (justin@localhost) by pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id LAA22151; Sun, 9 Apr 1995 11:53:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 11:53:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Justin Austin Subject: Diamond Viper ProVideo?? To: lightwave-l@netcom.com cc: Lightwave , toaster-l@netcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list I have built an alpha 233 from parts and am currently looking for a pci grfx card and diamond sent me literature on their video pro card and they claim better than b'cast playback of motion jpeg and other formats at 1024x768 full 60 fields per sec??? for 500.00!! is this true? can anyone confirm this claim? I have seen there ads that also claim this, if its true I was wondering why this info has not been discussed here. I have serious doubts about such price performance stats?? anyone??? tia From owner-toaster-l Sun Apr 9 17:42:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA13512; Sun, 9 Apr 1995 16:47:54 -0700 Received: from mickey.risd.edu by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA13491; Sun, 9 Apr 1995 16:47:43 -0700 Received: from minnie by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA12400; Sun, 9 Apr 1995 19:47:50 -0400 Received: by minnie.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA02541; Sun, 9 Apr 1995 19:48:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 19:43:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: MY ONLY WISH for LIGHTWAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (fwd) To: momar Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Hi, Jim. Below is a copy of a letter I sent to the LightWave mailing list concerning LW/Flyer 4.0 releases. I got all this info direct fromt he NewTek BBS. Have a gander... -- Joe ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 16:33:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell To: davewarner@globalone.net Cc: LightWave Mail List Subject: Re: MY ONLY WISH for LIGHTWAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >The only thing I really want to know about ANY future vesion of LW is >whether or not there will be support for the PowerMac?? And if so, what. >sort of time frame is involved...1 year...10 years?? Here's the low-down from the NewTek BBS from SysOp Chuck Baker (more or less -- I'm doing this from memory): Alpha, MIPs and Intel version start shipping on April 7th, but that may slip in the Real World (remember, the Flyer was supposed to come out around December?) Amiga version to follow soon (don't know HOW soon after -- I'm guessing 1 month or so (my opinion, not Chuck's)) SGI version sometime after that. Mac version (don't know if it's PowerMac only of all Macs, with a PowerMac version available) MUCH later, currently stated as Fall '95. And for all you Flyer owners out there, they hope to get Flyer 4.x FINAL version finished sometime after NAB. I'm going to GUESS about 1 month. They've also said that Toaster 4.0 will likly be shipping before LW 4.0 is done, but LW will be shipped to users once it's finished. Same as for the Flyer owners. AND For everyone waiting for Flyers who are NOT Beta or Dealers, the 4.02 stuff is finished, but they're waiting for the manuals to be printed. Chuck says they may be shipping this week, and (I think) by the end of next week. Hope this helps. I'm taking the above as unequivical truth, since it IS from NewTek Tech Support/BBS, even though the above was typed from memory (I called about 12 hrs. ago). -- Joe ------------------------------- END FILE >From what I understand, they had to hand-crank copies of the manual for Beta/Dealer copies. If you bought your Flyer local, then go to your delaer and he can give you a copy of the software (Chuck said that they're encouraging dealers get customers to bring in their Flyers and installing the software on their machines -- give it a try. Info from NewTek BBS, about an hour old from my memory...) Once the final Docs are printed, they'll go all to ALL end users. So, 4.02 will be shipping soon, and 4.x FINAL in about a month (my guess, not NewTek's)... But what do I know? I'm just a college kid... ;) See ya... hope this helps... -- Joe From owner-toaster-l Mon Apr 10 07:36:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA02648; Mon, 10 Apr 1995 07:26:03 -0700 Received: by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA02633; Mon, 10 Apr 1995 07:26:00 -0700 From: djmccoy (Daniel J. McCoy) Message-Id: <199504101426.HAA02633@netcom13.netcom.com> Subject: ADMIN: Weekly Reminder To: toaster-l@netcom.com Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 07:25:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3313 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Last Update : December 17, 1994 This message is to serve as a reminder that this mailing list is oriented towards topics on the Video Toaster. Messages really meant as private e-mail should be directed to that person's internet address rather than the list. Also, please use proper netiquette. Not everyone enjoys messages that have previous messages quoted verbatim. Not everyone has 132 column terminals. Please don't feel there's too many restrictions though. This mailing list is meant for exchange of information. Also keep in mind that your replies go directly to the author of the message you are replying to. If you wish to have the reply directed to the mailing list, you should use your e-mail software to change the address that the message is going to rather than adding the mailing list in the cc: field (carbon copy). By including it in the cc: field, the author of the message that you are replying to will get TWO copies of the message. Posting ------- To post messages to the list, send e-mail to "toaster-l@netcom.com". Subscription Information ------------------------ To subscribe to this list, send e-mail to "listserv@netcom.com". In the body of the message, include the following: subscribe toaster-l end Don't include the '<' or '>' if you with to subscribe a different address other than the one you're posting from. To unsubscribe from the list, follow the steps above to subscribe but substitute "subscribe" with "unsubscribe" in the message body. FTP Message Archives -------------------- Messages from this list as well as the original list and temporary list are kept on Netcom in my directory. You can FTP to "ftp.netcom.com". Once you've logged in anonomously, cd to "/pub/dj/djmccoy/Toaster". These files are also available via e-mail. Send e-mail to "ftp-request@netcom.com". Commands such as DIR, LS and SEND are relative to the directory '/pub' so you must include the directory you wish to access within the command. Commands include: DIR [directory] LS [directory] HELP SEND path/file [splitsize] SERVERINFO For example, to get a list of the files in the toaster directory, send the following in the body of the message. DIR /pub/dj/djmccoy/Toaster or LS /pub/dj/djmccoy/Toaster Questions or Other Items ------------------------ Questions and other list items can be directed to djmccoy@netcom.com or owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Lightwave Mailing List ---------------------- If you're interested in the Lightwave mailing list, you can subscribe by following the directions above under 'Subscription Information". Instead of sending "subscribe toaster-l", substitute "toaster-l" with "lightwave-l". Alternatively, if you have access to the Usenet newsgroups, take a look at comp.graphics.packages.lightwave. -- Daniel J. McCoy BIX: dmccoy Internet : djmccoy@primenet.com, djmccoy@netcom.com, dan@acti.com From owner-toaster-l Fri Apr 14 13:13:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA24868; Fri, 14 Apr 1995 10:33:33 -0700 Received: from mail.nyc.pipeline.com by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA24747; Fri, 14 Apr 1995 10:32:23 -0700 Received: from pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com (pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com [198.80.32.41]) by mail.nyc.pipeline.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id NAA08521; Fri, 14 Apr 1995 13:32:15 -0400 Received: (justin@localhost) by pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA03290; Fri, 14 Apr 1995 13:32:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 13:32:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Justin Austin Subject: A3000 sys FS To: toaster-l@netcom.com cc: lightwave-l@netcom.com In-Reply-To: <9504131144.A05919@felix.fastech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list In an effort to raise funds for a flyer sys. I need to part with my beloved 3000 a3000 rev 9.x motherboard 030/25 cpu 2meg chip 4meg scz's internal 120 meg maxtor scsi internal hd and dd floppy drives ^new^ rev-11 buster new^ latest scsi new^ 3.1 roms w disks and manual ^new^ Above sys. for 850.00 Retina z3 w 4meg and TV paint PRO 2.0 that draws directly on the retina w/vcoder for ntsc (defaults to svga) also provides 256 and 24bit workbench..>very very fast add this to above system +500.00 (this is 6 weeks old) I paid 729. for the retina, 69. for the vcoder and 239. for TV paint. Save hundreds total this version 1400.00 Dkb3128 w/16meg chip (32bit 72 pin @60 ns) this board is fully z3 ^add this to above sys for 550.00 I paid 299. for the dkb and 750 for the ram. total total this version 1950.00 will include free software and throw in shipping vvvvvvvv Misc software such as Image fx 2.0, final writer, Adpro thrown in w/sys purchase, W manual and docs e-mail replies to justin@pipeline.com TIA From owner-toaster-l Fri Apr 14 14:10:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA05782; Fri, 14 Apr 1995 12:07:14 -0700 Received: from mail.crl.com by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA04965; Fri, 14 Apr 1995 12:01:15 -0700 Received: from [192.0.2.1] (crl9.crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA28224 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:58:43 -0700 X-Sender: cjohnson@mail.crl.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:58:17 -0800 To: toaster-l@netcom.com, lightwave-l@netcom.com From: cjohnson@crl.com (Carl Andrew Johnson) Subject: Expansion Boxes Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Along time ago... hmmm.. actually it was in THIS galaxy, I remember reading that I could use my near useless A2000 as an expansion box for my A4000. Any ideas on how to do this? My 4000 has 18megs of RAM, plenty of drive space, but no free slots. My 2000 has a slooooow 68000 processor, 10 megs of RAM and three free slots. I'm thinking about popping a CD ROM (the 2000 has a SCSI/RAM card) in the 2000 and chaining it onto the 4000. Is this possible? Or should I just buy an NT machine? (Just kidding.) Thanks in advance. Carl From owner-toaster-l Sat Apr 15 12:22:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id JAA14673; Sat, 15 Apr 1995 09:49:33 -0700 Received: from ra.isisnet.com by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id JAA14637; Sat, 15 Apr 1995 09:48:39 -0700 Received: from [199.45.83.26] by ra.isisnet.com (8.6.9/SMI-SVR4) id NAA11351; Sat, 15 Apr 1995 13:46:18 -0300 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 13:46:18 -0300 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster-l@netcom.com From: animax@ra.isisnet.com (Andre Perusse) Subject: *** SOMEWHAT COMMERCIAL IN NATURE *** Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list For all of you East-coast Canadians out there (or anyone else who wants to make the trip), the Nova Scotia Community College in Truro, Nova Scotia is offering several workshops on LightWave 3D, The Video Toaster, and the Flyer (in addition to other film and video related courses). Courses are scheduled to be held in May. For more information, call the College at (902)-893-5730, or fax them at (902)-893-6110. ------------------------------------------------------------------- /\ndre Perusse- animax@ra.isisnet.com | A4000,34MB,2.1GB,40MHz Warp ANIMAX MULTIMEDIA - Computer Animation & Multimedia Authoring Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada Disclaimer: My Opinions do not necessarily reflect those of ANIMAX. ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-toaster-l Mon Apr 17 22:43:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA25022; Mon, 17 Apr 1995 16:12:42 -0700 Received: from clark.net by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA24910; Mon, 17 Apr 1995 16:11:44 -0700 Received: (jamesb@localhost) by clark.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA28705; Mon, 17 Apr 1995 19:11:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 19:11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: James Brooks To: Lightwave Mailing List cc: Toaster List Subject: Framestore Anims converted? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list I was just wondering if there is a program that will read ANIMS in Framestore format and convert them to another format? I sure would not want to spend the time and render all those frames again on my 040/28 A4000. Thanks for your time. Alex --------------------------------------------------------------- James "Alex" Brooks Amiga 4000/040/28MHz 20MB RAM Lightwave 3.5 / Imagine 3.0 VideoToaster 4000 3.1 Syquest 3.5" 270MB Bernoulli 90Pro NEC 3xp Triple Speed CDROM Warp Engine 4028 Epson ES-600C Scanner E-Mail: jamesb@clark.net -------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-toaster-l Wed Apr 19 16:15:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA27674; Wed, 19 Apr 1995 13:40:17 -0700 Received: from ra.isisnet.com by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA27483; Wed, 19 Apr 1995 13:39:14 -0700 Received: from [199.45.83.41] by ra.isisnet.com (8.6.9/SMI-SVR4) id RAA29051; Wed, 19 Apr 1995 17:37:01 -0300 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 17:37:01 -0300 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster-l@netcom.com From: animax@ra.isisnet.com (Andre Perusse) Subject: Flyer & Component Adapter Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Has anyone successfully made their DPS Personal Component Adaper work with Flyer 4.0? I heard that the PCA worked with Flyer .94 but doesn't under 4.0. I fiddled with my setup a little but couldn't make them work properly with one another. ------------------------------------------------------------------- /\ndre Perusse- animax@ra.isisnet.com | A4000,34MB,2.1GB,40MHz Warp ANIMAX MULTIMEDIA - Computer Animation & Multimedia Authoring Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada Disclaimer: My Opinions do not necessarily reflect those of ANIMAX. ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-toaster-l Thu Apr 20 09:10:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA14845; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 07:34:27 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id GAA01291; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 06:45:00 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA09684; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 08:44:58 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 20 Apr 95 08:44 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 20 Apr 95 08:44 CDT Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 08:44:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: Flyer & Component Adapter To: Andre Perusse cc: toaster-l@netcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Wed, 19 Apr 1995, Andre Perusse wrote: > Has anyone successfully made their DPS Personal Component Adaper work with > Flyer 4.0? I heard that the PCA worked with Flyer .94 but doesn't under > 4.0. I fiddled with my setup a little but couldn't make them work properly > with one another. > I have a DPS PCA on our Flyer, no problems whatsoever. We've sold quite a few Flyer systems with this configuration as well. No problems. You DO have a Toaster 4000 card, don't you? Your sig indicates an Amiga 4000, so I guess you must. The DPS PCA card cannot be used with the original Toaster 2000 card and the Flyer, but the Toaster 4000 card (used in ANY Amiga model) works just fine with the Flyer. You must leave inputs 3 & 4 un-jumpered (set for composite) or if you do jumper 3 & 4 for Y/C, you must turn OFF the software termination for 3 & 4 on the Toaster setup screen. ,-------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank MicroTech Solutions, Inc. / ( johnc@mcs.com Desktop Video Systems Dealer ( \ mtech1@mcs.com Store:708-851-3033 \ `-------------------------------------------------` From owner-toaster-l Fri Apr 21 14:57:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA03354; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:05:14 -0700 Received: from LSS1-Server.Net.Tufts.EDU by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA10514; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 10:52:18 -0700 From: SScrivani@Infonet.Tufts.Edu Received: by LSS1-Server.Net.Tufts.EDU; Fri, 21 Apr 95 11:28:32 EDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 11:22:49 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Rendering Quick Time Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list I have a client that generated some type of Quick time animation on his Mac in some aftermarket program. Does anyone know if Mac based Quick time movies can be rendered on the Toaster or Amiga. Or if anyone has other suggestions for getting Quick times to video tape, (this, of course, assumes I don't have a video card on my Mac). Thanks, Steve Scrivani Educational Media Center T-NEMC, Boston From owner-toaster-l Sat Apr 22 01:44:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id AAA17889; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 00:48:53 -0700 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id AAA17880; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 00:48:50 -0700 Received: by iglou.iglou.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0s2Zvr-00029nC; Sat, 22 Apr 95 03:48 EDT Message-Id: Date: Sat, 22 Apr 95 03:48 EDT From: michael@iglou.com (Michael Meshew) To: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: LIGHT-ROM 2 is ready! Content-Length: 1941 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list L I G H T - R O M 2 I S N O W S H I P P I N G !!!! LIGHT-ROM 2 is now shipping! All contributor copies have now been sent. Everyone in the U.S. should receive their copies by no later than April 25th. Canadian & Overseas contributors should have their copies around 2 weeks later. If you are an overseas contributor & you do not have your copy by the end of May, PLEASE contact me. W H A T I S N E W W I T H L I G H T - R O M 2 ? LIGHT-ROM 2 has around 350 megs of new data. It is 100% Lightwave and Toaster material. There are around 3,700 Lightwave objects. There is a new collection of Textures, Images and Animation Maps. As usual, everything has a thumbnail rendering. The thumbnail renderings are much easier to access thanks to user suggestions! The Thumbnails are now in their own directories & are much easier to access. The Showcase directory was a very pleasant surprise this time with all the new contributions from all over the world. Thanks to everyone who has made LIGHT-ROM a success. The feedback I have received has been extremely gratifying for me. I always believed that there was a need for LIGHT-ROM. LIGHT-ROM lists for $39.95 and is already available from Amiga Library Services and your usual mail order & dealer outlets. LIGHT-ROM is a multiplatform CD ROM and can be used on all versions of Lightwave. I have not had the opportunity to try it on any of the other flavors of Lightwave, but everything is cross platform compatible. Contrary to the May VTU review of the first LIGHT-ROM's textures by R. Shamms Mortier, I am the author of LIGHT-ROM. A correction and an apology will be printed in a future issue. LIGHT-ROM is a registered trademark of my company, Graphic Detail. Thanks again for your support! Michael Meshew Graphic Detail 4556 South Third Street Louisville, Ky. 40214 USA (502)363-2986 michael @iglou.com From owner-toaster-l Sat Apr 22 12:08:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom12.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA28891; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 11:58:31 -0700 Received: by netcom12.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA28878; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 11:58:27 -0700 From: djmccoy (Daniel J. McCoy) Message-Id: <199504221858.LAA28878@netcom12.netcom.com> Subject: ADMIN: Weekly Reminder To: toaster-l@netcom.com Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 11:58:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2944 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Last Update : April 22, 1995 This message is to serve as a reminder that this mailing list is oriented towards topics on the Video Toaster and Toaster Flyer. Messages really meant as private e-mail should be directed to that person's internet address rather than the list. Also, please use proper netiquette. Not everyone enjoys messages that have previous messages quoted verbatim. Not everyone has 132 column terminals. Please don't feel there's too many restrictions though. This mailing list is meant for exchange of information. Also keep in mind that your replies go directly to the author of the message you are replying to. If you wish to have the reply directed to the mailing list, you should use your e-mail software to change the address that the message is going to rather than adding the mailing list in the cc: field (carbon copy). By including it in the cc: field, the author of the message that you are replying to will get TWO copies of the message. Posting ------- To post messages to the list, send e-mail to "toaster-l@netcom.com". Subscription Information ------------------------ To subscribe to this list, send e-mail to "listserv@netcom.com". In the body of the message, include the following: subscribe toaster-l end Don't include the '<' or '>' if you with to subscribe a different address other than the one you're posting from. To unsubscribe from the list, follow the steps above to subscribe but substitute "subscribe" with "unsubscribe" in the message body. FTP Message Archives -------------------- Message archives are stored on tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu in /pub/lw/toaster-l. Towards the beginning of every month, previous month's messages are archived and, thanks to Keith at Tomahawk, stored away so anyone can get to them. Questions or Other Items ------------------------ Questions and other list items can be directed to djmccoy@netcom.com or owner-toaster-l@netcom.com NewTek has a WWW site! You can use http://www.netcom.com with a Web browser and have some fun. Lightwave Mailing List ---------------------- If you're interested in the Lightwave mailing list, you can subscribe by following the directions above under 'Subscription Information". Instead of sending "subscribe toaster-l", substitute "toaster-l" with "lightwave-l". Alternatively, if you have access to the Usenet newsgroups, take a look at comp.graphics.packages.lightwave. -- Daniel J. McCoy BIX: dmccoy Internet : djmccoy@primenet.com, djmccoy@netcom.com, dan@acti.com From owner-toaster-l Sat Apr 22 12:23:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom12.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA29735; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 12:05:34 -0700 Received: by netcom12.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA29714; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 12:05:30 -0700 From: djmccoy (Daniel J. McCoy) Message-Id: <199504221905.MAA29714@netcom12.netcom.com> Subject: This Past Week's Subscription Problems... To: toaster-l@netcom.com Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 12:05:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 947 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Status: RO Due to some more semi-hacking on Netcom, the poor mail administrators on Netcom were going nuts this past week. Apparently, someone was subscribing individuals to several MajorDomo mailing lists here on Netcom that weren't supposed to be subscribed (sorta mail bombing). The Toaster list was hit and in the process of cleaning up after the mess, Netcom changed the ownership status of the Toaster list to prevent further damage until they could figure out what was going on and who was doing it. This may have prevented those of you out there wanting to unsubscribe from doing so as well as preventing me from doing the same actions. It appears to be fixed now. Please note that the message archives have moved. See the weekly reminder message for details on where they moved to. Have fun, Dan -- Daniel J. McCoy BIX: dmccoy Internet : djmccoy@primenet.com, djmccoy@netcom.com, dan@acti.com From owner-toaster-l Sun Apr 23 04:54:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id EAA17869; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 04:25:07 -0700 Received: from alaska.net by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id EAA17800; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 04:24:58 -0700 Received: by alaska.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA08929; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 03:24:21 +0900 >Received: by fred.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Sun, 23 Apr 95 02:55:09 AST for toaster-l@netcom.com To: lightwave-l@netcom.com, toaster-l@netcom.com, Pala4Bart@aol.com Subject: Amiga sold! Good news! From: lancelot@fred.com (Lancelot) Comments: Shhhhhhh! Message-Id: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 95 02:48:36 ADT Organization: Radio Free Fredbox Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1138 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list First off, to verify what I am saying, I refer you to the AmigaReport Auction special issue (it's "arAUCTION.lha" in 'docs/mags' on any Aminet site). Escomof Germany did win the bid, but they changed their posiltion in favor of Amiga. A small quote from Bernard van Tienen of Escom: "... we are considering PowerPCs with Amiga, ..." Interesting, no? "We presume we'll have the first products, the first Amiga products on the market within 3 months..." Rad! A new Amiga for me right as I start college! All of these quotes are from the file I referred you to. I consider Jason Compton (editor of AmigaReport a very reputable source, having chatted with him several times on IRC about several topics). I also consider AmigaReport the world's best Amiga magazine. I picked up the final issue of Amiga World a few days ago (for nostalgia, okay? grin), and it was all advertisments! Well, I think I've spewed enough. Take it easy folks. --- Brian Myers E-Mail: lancelot@fred.com IRC: Imix "Nothingman, nothingman, isn't it something, nothingman." -Pearl Jam, "Nothingman" From owner-toaster-l Sun Apr 23 06:34:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id GAA23438; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 06:21:33 -0700 Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id GAA23429; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 06:21:30 -0700 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id GAA00836; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 06:20:20 -0700 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 06:20:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199504231320.GAA00836@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) Subject: Re: NewTek unveils Windows Toaster box at NAB To: wturber@PrimeNet.Com (Walter (Jay) Turberville ) Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Cc: alyn@netcom.com Cc: cronise@ssl.msfc.nasa.gov Cc: dave@melmac.umd.edu Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list You wrote: > >In article <3nb980$h6k@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) writes: >>From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) >>Subject: Re: NewTek unveils Windows Toaster box at NAB >>Date: 22 Apr 1995 16:01:04 GMT > >This whole isue of Flyer video quality has been bugging me. I finally went >down to a local dealer and got a demonstration. The output looked good to me, >but it was mostly live shots. The animations that were demoed were dark and >use fog. That made it real tough to judge artifacting. > >I use a PAR currently and notice two things that I think are pertinent to the >question of how good (close to D2) the flyer is. > >1) PAR video output in composite mode introduces very visible NTSC artifacts. > These are not really NTSC artifacts. The most visible dot crawl artifact results from the composite output. >2) These artifacts tend to mask the JPEG artifacts that are visible when the >video is viewed Y/C and crystal clear when the video is viewed component. > >So it has really bothers me the rave reviews that the Flyer has received >since it outputs composite only. How can that approach D2? D2 is a (very high quality) COMPOSITE format!!! It is true that >all video must eventually go to composite, but it seems the later that >that happens the better. Outputting Flyer video to a good (D2 or Betacam) >deck via composite signal seems to guarantee quality loss no matter how good >VTASC is. > I am not sure about this one and I don't know if artifacts resulting from a composite transmission of the video signal can built up over several generations. To my experience, it does not look like it does but.... >To sum up, is it possible that the composite output artifacts are masking >VTASC artifacts? Do D2 decks typically have component outputs? No. >Are my concerns/questions legitimate or am I missing something? Your comments make sense. It would be interesting to hear the point of view of video engineers. The bottom line is that in the real world, even if Betacam is component, I know of very few A/B roll edit suites that stay component all the way through. The reason for this is that every component element included in an edit suite is usually much more expensive than a composite equivalent and people don't think it worth the investment. Also as you mentioned, all video will eventually be displayed in a composite form using an RF or composite video input viewers TV sets. Accoring to Newtek, the Flyer is theoratically capable of delivering full uncompressed D2 video quality. The current limitation is with the hard drives data transfer rates. The best 9 Gigs HD on the market can give you 4 MB/sec so right now, the Flyer deals with a compressed D2 video signal. Eventually, when drive technology will improve, the Flyer should be able to do full uncompressed D2 but the storage requirements may double and be around 2 to 3 min. of video per Gig. Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Sun Apr 23 15:32:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA08232; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:10:24 -0700 Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA07631; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:09:51 -0700 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id OAA23482; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:09:15 -0700 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:09:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199504232109.OAA23482@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) Subject: Re: DAT backups To: alan.chan@oubbs.telecom.uoknor.edu Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list You wrote: > > >Hi Thierry, > >caught your post on Usenet, we use the exact same model on our Flyer as well >and it backs up perfectly. I think your problem might be with the ID#0 for your >DAT drive,,,, Actually, my DAT drive is #1 and my C audio drive is #0. Are you using the 4.02 Flyer software? Also, how did you set the jumpers on the drive. Mine has: - ID #1 - data compression disabled - termination power enable - terrmination off ( I am using and external terminator plug on the SCSI pass-through connector) - parity enable Stuart Ferguson, the programer of LW modeler e-mailed me and told me he was having the same problem. Anyway, I'll try to set the drive to defferent ID's and see if it works. thanks for your help. thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Mon Apr 24 13:11:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA02219; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:42:44 -0700 Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA02192; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:42:38 -0700 From: djmccoy (Daniel J. McCoy) Message-Id: <199504241742.KAA02192@netcom18.netcom.com> Subject: ADMIN: CORRECTION! To: toaster-l@netcom.com Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:42:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 387 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Proof positive that the weekly reminder isn't being ignored, Jeff Walkup pointed out my goof up of the NewTek WWW site. Rather than being http://www.netcom.com, try http://www/newtek.com/ Not enough coffee that day... :) Thanks Jeff! Dan -- Daniel J. McCoy BIX: dmccoy Internet : djmccoy@primenet.com, djmccoy@netcom.com, dan@acti.com From owner-toaster-l Mon Apr 24 14:33:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA07176; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:48:50 -0700 Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA07164; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:48:45 -0700 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA09762; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:48:04 -0700 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:48:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199504241848.LAA09762@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) Subject: Re: Flyer Bugs To: Kosarovich Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list You wrote: > >Hello again, > >OK, after reading your next posting, I realize you have 4.0. I have heard that > they stopped making 4.0 and are working on 4.2 and based on your report, I hope > that is true. > That's also what I was told by Newtek tech support. I hope this is going to happen soon because many users are getting exhausted stugling to edit projects on the Flyer. >I agree with most of the things you are saying, like everything with the video > quality and the need for more time references, but I don't understand one of > your audio problems. > >You say that you can't put music video stuff together because you can't get the > audio-only clips to play back from a "play-from". Using .94, I have no problem > clicking on any crouton after an audio-only and getting the audio-only to play > back at the right spot. Are you saying 4.0 won't do this??? > Yes, that exactly the case! This is the reason I mentioned in an earlier post that .94 is somewhat more approriate than 4.02. Also, there are a lot of "drop frames" errors appearing under 4.02 when this was completely inexistant under .94. "Cutting Room" is a pain to use and takes a lot of time to process, I whish we could have the option to turn it off come back to the standrad record pannel of .94. thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Mon Apr 24 19:24:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA17400; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:09:33 -0700 Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA17300; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:08:37 -0700 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id MAA14240; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:07:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:07:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199504241907.MAA14240@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) Subject: Re: NewTek unveils Windows Toaster box at NAB To: Alyn Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list You wrote: > >Am only using "*" mode because now any other quality level seems so >inferior. I have not done extensive test using the "*" digitizing modes but I did not noticed great differences between shots that digitized well under the "standard" mode and the same shots digitized with the "*standard" quality. However, shots that gave me real problems are now digitizing great with the "*standard" mode. >Have sold my 9 gig drives because they would not record at "*" >lvel throughout all sectors of the drive. Once again, I have not done extensive testing but I though my Seagate 9 Gigs did record clips at "*standard* quality all the way accross the surface of the disk. Now, when I turned my system off and get back to this hi-res clips, I am having trouble playing them back like I had with LW anims under .94. Very strange..... >The new IBM 4 gigs will. How can you get away with these small capacity drives after using 9 gigs? >How do I check out the Newtek buzz on Compuserve? Do I have to join or >can I Telnet to it? > I don't know about Telnet, I'd be glad to hear form you if it works. Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Mon Apr 24 20:33:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA12719; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:06:33 -0700 Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA12710; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:06:27 -0700 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA04545; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:05:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:05:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199504250205.TAA04545@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) Subject: Re: Re: Flyer Bugs To: Kosarovich Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list You wrote: > >I only use the Flyer for event work and fun, so I don't have the production > pressures that you do, so I usually enjoy finding work arounds, but only within > reason. > >Then I will definitely stick with .94 over 4.02! I have never had any drop > frame problems except for maybe 4 times on my first day using it four months > ago, and that was before they told me to use the "Set Cache" button. > Newtek just posted on their BBS a new Flyer Format program that's suppose to fix eroneous "dropped Frames" error with Seagate drives when using 4.02 software. This Flyer format version is labeld 4.03 so they may be an iminent release of a 4.03 Flyer software version. >BTW, my system is an A2000 with GVP 040/33, 16M 32-bit RAM, 2M Chip RAM, 540 > Maxtor system drive, Sony Double Speed CD-ROM, one 1G Hawk for audio-only, and > two 4G Barracudas for video and a TBC III. > >Another thing on the video compression artifacts, what amazes me is that if > that's D2 quality, I don't think I should be able to see the compression rate > changing visually, but I can if I watch closely. It's fine for my S-VHS work, > but I don't think it's too far above that. Do you work in Beta SP? Yes, I have two Sony BVW-65 and 70 Broadcast machine and I can definetly appreciate the difference between VTASC compressed clips and Beta SP dubs.... >The worst > stuff I see is with strong saturations of red, Have you try to re-autohue and re-calibrate your Flyer? >lots of shimmer, changing based > on compression changes. Of course, red has always been the worst color for > video. I never use Extended, only Standard, I can see the difference just > looking at standard color bars! You are right about this and that's the reason I mentioned clearly that the Flyer is far from the image quality offered by a $50,000 Sony machine. > >Do you have any problems with the first source stopping before a transition > ends? I do not understand exactly what y9ou mean by first source. >I have this problem a lot even though I follow NewTek's advise of > leaving lots of margin on the clips and setting the caches. Then, of course, I > have to back track, crouton by crouton, since the error is actually a cascade > effect, and builds, so the cause may be many croutons back. Sometimes changing > my in or out points can fix it, but often I have to change the transition. > Many are not useable because of this. > Well, as soon as I am getting fancy doing sucessive dissolves, split and multiple audio tracks, things get screwed too. Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Mon Apr 24 21:02:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA14286; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:44:30 -0700 Received: from sage.acti.com by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA14102; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:43:31 -0700 Received: from acti.com by sage.acti.com; Mon, 24 Apr 95 16:38 PDT X-NUPop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:47:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel J. McCoy" Content-Length: 541 Content-Type: text Reply-To: dan@acti.com Message-Id: <60461.dan@acti.com> To: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: RE: ADMIN: CORRECTION! Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list In message Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:42:37 -0700 (PDT), djmccoy@netcom.com (Daniel J. McCoy) writes: > Proof positive that the weekly reminder isn't being ignored, Jeff Walkup > pointed out my goof up of the NewTek WWW site. Rather than being > http://www.netcom.com, try http://www/newtek.com/ Can we go for a THIRD time?! Try http://www.newtek.com/ > Not enough coffee that day... :) And a heavy withdrawl from Lightwave since buying a PC! :) Dan -- Daniel J. McCoy Internet: djmccoy@netcom.com, djmccoy@primenet.com dan@acti.com From owner-toaster-l Mon Apr 24 23:30:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA02779; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:17:33 -0700 Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA02524; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:11:42 -0700 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA05342; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:08:32 -0700 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:08:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199504250208.TAA05342@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) Subject: Re: Flyer Bugs/Improvements R... To: CEVAnim@aol.com To: toaster-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list You wrote: > >Thanks....We have heard the new Quantum ATLAS drives give about 15% more >throughput over existing drives and should solve some of the problems. ?? >Ed >CEVAnim@aol.com > What do you mean. Many of us just spent $8,000 to $9,000 on 9 Gig hard drives and they became useless before we could even get a good solid version of the Flyer software! If this is true, there is a revolution waiting to happen... (not the Newtek one) Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Tue Apr 25 09:29:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA20753; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 07:54:56 -0700 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA20741; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 07:54:52 -0700 Received: from linda.teleport.com (downinit@linda.teleport.com [192.108.254.12]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA25978 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 07:55:26 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 07:55:20 -0700 (PDT) From: DMetcalfe To: Thierry Humeau cc: CEVAnim@aol.com, toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flyer Bugs/Improvements R... In-Reply-To: <199504250208.TAA05342@ix2.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Thierry Humeau wrote: > What do you mean. Many of us just spent $8,000 to $9,000 on 9 Gig hard drives and > they became useless before we could even get a good solid version of the Flyer > software! If this is true, there is a revolution waiting to happen... (not the > Newtek one) > > Thierry. Time to hold on to your drives and roll that Amiga/Flyer over into a P90 with DPS Perception? Sorry, just had to bring it up didn't I. I'm glad I waited, just about everyone I know who has a Flyer is less than impressed at this point. Darren Metcalfe "Had this been an actual emergency, downinit@teleport.com we would have fled in terror, and you would not have been informed" From owner-toaster-l Tue Apr 25 11:53:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id JAA06091; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:26:22 -0700 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id JAA06042; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:26:11 -0700 Received: from linda.teleport.com (downinit@linda.teleport.com [192.108.254.12]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA15496 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:26:45 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:26:38 -0700 (PDT) From: DMetcalfe To: CEVAnim@aol.com cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flyer Bugs/Improvements R... In-Reply-To: <950425112904_95601268@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list I think the hardware is very solid, but hey, I'm not an engineer. I haven't heard of any problems that are a result of hardware limitation, except perhaps the annoying 4-Field thing. It's basically impossible to edit to a sound bed (music video/lip sync) as it stands. I don't know if this is fixable with software. Also, editing with the thing is really less "instantaneous" than the Media100 and Avid. Here's an example: You've got your rough edit with video and transitions finished and you're going back through doing audio inserts and CG. Let's say your finished product is 22 mins. When you go to preview a new CG or audio insert at >the head< of the program you >will< wait 2-5 minutes before you see or hear anything. The Flyer sits and grinds on the drives while it arranges everything for playback. Then when it does finally playback, if there's a problem, it just >stops< and tells you that you have a CG too close to a xsition or whatever. This shit doesn't happen with other systems and I think this is probably why NewTek isn't even going to try for a "real-time" Flyer on the PC. My advice to you, if you haven't bought an AmigaFlyer, don't. I'm a big Amiga/NewTek fan, well actually I'm a big AmigaOS/Lightwave fan, but I can't recommend the Flyer right now, if ever. Have you any experience with DPS products? I've had TBC 2's, 3's and 4's, Waveform/VScope and the Amiga PAR. No problem with any of them and DPS is known for shipping finished product on time. Wait two months and see how the Flyer compares to the Perception when it's released. I can't afford either right now, but I'm configuring my P90 with the Perception in mind. Darren Metcalfe "Had this been an actual emergency, downinit@teleport.com we would have fled in terror, and you would not have been informed" From owner-toaster-l Wed Apr 26 06:07:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id FAA18021; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 05:29:16 -0700 Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id FAA17529; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 05:23:38 -0700 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id FAA02016; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 05:23:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 05:23:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199504261223.FAA02016@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) Subject: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 SHIPS! (I hope...) To: toaster-l@netcom.com To: lightwave-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Joe wrote: OK. I haven't gotten my Flyer 4.02 software yet, so I called NewTek yesterday (mon). They said that Flyer 4.03 (a WHOLE .01 newer...) will be shipping "today or tomarrow" (that means Mon or Tues). The more or less exact phrasing was: "Flyer 4.03 wil be shipping out either today or tomarrow". So depending on how they ship it, we caould ALL have it by the end of this week... I hope so -- I REALLY need clip processing through TPaint... Joe, Don't get too excited on that one. TPaint processing is so slow you won't even try it. The processing speed is around 3 frames per min using a 68040/33mhz machine. Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Wed Apr 26 11:13:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA07792; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:51:43 -0700 Received: from sage.acti.com by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA06933; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:47:09 -0700 Received: from acti.com by sage.acti.com; Wed, 26 Apr 95 07:42 PDT X-NUPop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:53:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel J. McCoy" Content-Length: 1179 Content-Type: text Reply-To: dan@acti.com Message-Id: <28412.dan@acti.com> To: lightwave-l@netcom.com Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: ADMIN: Address Weedout time again Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list This post serves two purposes. First is to let you all know that I'll be going through the mail bounces a bit more rigorously soon. Prime candidates for removal are cases where users aren't found and when hosts aren't known. The problem comes from the fact that some addresses continuously bounce back messages yet they appear to be receiving e-mail. I may be e-mailing their postmasters to help clear this up. These bounces take up processing time on Netcom and I'm sure Primenet will squawk at me when I move the lists there (SOON! Gotta update the user databases there). The second purpose of this message is to see what addresses are bouncing back to the people who POST a message. I got a few back from earlier posts at my work address but there wasn't any meaningful header information so I couldn't track what address is at fault. :( At any rate, have fun all. Dan (Who's getting kinda mad at the lack of 32 bit apps for NT and software vendors asking what 32 bit was! What, NT is the bleeding edge of 32 bit technology? ARGH! BUT! LightWave renders stuff real fast! :) ) -- Daniel J. McCoy Internet: djmccoy@netcom.com, djmccoy@primenet.com dan@acti.com From owner-toaster-l Wed Apr 26 12:55:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA20177; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:31:23 -0700 Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA20084; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:30:51 -0700 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA14326; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:30:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:30:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199504261830.LAA14326@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) Subject: Re: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 SHIPS! (I hope...) To: momar To: toaster-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list You wrote: >> >> "Flyer 4.03 wil be shipping out either today or tomarrow". >> >> So depending on how they ship it, we caould ALL have it by the end of this >> week... I hope so -- I REALLY need clip processing through TPaint... >> > >I hope you're right last week they told me late this week like wed.-fri. I called Newtek this morning and I was told 4.03 will be shipping during the next two coming weeks.... thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Wed Apr 26 15:51:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA15888; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:54:29 -0700 Received: from armitage.cyberspace.com by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id IAA13447; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 08:16:40 -0700 Received: from case (case.cyberspace.com) by armitage.cyberspace.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09463; Wed, 26 Apr 95 08:16:47 PDT Received: by case (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04083; Wed, 26 Apr 95 08:17:41 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 08:17:41 -0700 (PDT) From: momar X-Sender: momar@case To: Thierry Humeau Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 SHIPS! (I hope...) In-Reply-To: <199504261223.FAA02016@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, Thierry Humeau wrote: > Joe wrote: > > OK. I haven't gotten my Flyer 4.02 software yet, so I called NewTek > yesterday (mon). They said that Flyer 4.03 (a WHOLE .01 newer...) will be > shipping "today or tomarrow" (that means Mon or Tues). The more or less > exact phrasing was: > > "Flyer 4.03 wil be shipping out either today or tomarrow". > > So depending on how they ship it, we caould ALL have it by the end of this > week... I hope so -- I REALLY need clip processing through TPaint... > I hope you're right last week they told me late this week like wed.-fri. I borrowed 4.02 from my dealer so that I can finally open (on my 3000) and I think it's going to be real nice (almost said cool) it is slow but at 3 frames a second (processing that is ) it's faster than lightwave and the half speed is groovy. The Amiga may be back, the flyer is comeing along, life is good Jim From owner-toaster-l Wed Apr 26 21:45:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA20900; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:37:41 -0700 Received: from mickey.risd.edu by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA17676; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:10:54 -0700 Received: from minnie by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA03670; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:10:42 -0400 Received: by minnie.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA26920; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:11:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:10:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Reply-To: Joe Angell Subject: Re: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 SHIPS! (I hope...) To: Thierry Humeau Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com, lightwave-l@netcom.com In-Reply-To: <199504261223.FAA02016@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list > Don't get too excited on that one. TPaint processing is so slow you won't > even > try it. The processing speed is around 3 frames per min using a 68040/33mhz > machine. figures. I expected as much, actually, with the amount of time it takes to load, display, change, display, render to buffer (?), save, repeat, I wasn't expecting blazing speeds. Still, that's better than LW compositing -- about 25-45 seconds on my system (G_Force 040 33MHz), but still kinda sluggish. I need it mainly for Rotoing some stuff in LW and TPaint (mainly breaking VTASC into RGBs or Framestores). Thnax for the info... Also, do any non-dealer/beta people have 4.02? Did mine get lost in the mail? Thanx... -- Joe From owner-toaster-l Wed Apr 26 21:54:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA07174; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:36:29 -0700 Received: from mickey.risd.edu by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA07134; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:36:21 -0700 Received: from minnie by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA03831; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:36:29 -0400 Received: by minnie.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA27074; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:37:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:36:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 SHIPS! (I hope...) To: Thierry Humeau Cc: momar , toaster-l@netcom.com In-Reply-To: <199504261830.LAA14326@ix4.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, Thierry Humeau wrote: > You wrote: > > >> > >> "Flyer 4.03 wil be shipping out either today or tomarrow". > >> > >> So depending on how they ship it, we caould ALL have it by the end of this > >> week... I hope so -- I REALLY need clip processing through TPaint... > >> > > > >I hope you're right last week they told me late this week like wed.-fri. > > I called Newtek this morning and I was told 4.03 will be shipping during the next > two coming weeks.... > > thierry. > -- > ******************************************************* > Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 > Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 > Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com > ******************************************************* > Ah, good ole NewTek shipping... I'll have to ask Chuck Baker on the NewTek BBS (once I manage to log back on -- anyone else having that problem? since the new BBS went up, you can rar;y get it to pick up...) -- Joe From owner-toaster-l Thu Apr 27 10:50:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA19316; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 07:52:14 -0700 Received: from VAXA.STEVENS-TECH.EDU by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA17327; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 07:21:31 -0700 From: KLENKUS1@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU Received: from VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU by VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #2500) id <01HPTVIBEISWBCCFFW@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:02:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:02:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Cameraman used wrong filter To: toaster-l@netcom.com Message-id: <01HPTVIBHQJMBCCFFW@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"toaster-l@netcom.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list As the title says, MY CAMERAMAN USED A OUTDOUR FILTER INDOORS!! Ugggggh. Is there a way I can fix this with my toaster? This seems like the ideal thing for it to do. Help anyone. Kym M. Lenkus From owner-toaster-l Thu Apr 27 13:08:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA24686; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:37:48 -0700 Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA24466; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:37:26 -0700 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id KAA29251; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:36:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:36:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199504271736.KAA29251@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) Subject: Re: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 SHIPS! (I hope...) To: MERLEIZ@ids.net Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list You wrote: > >Thierry; >As a dealer for Newtek, I am very disappointed in their lack of "progress" >and general overall performance. I have had my Flyer since January and it >still doesn't do what it is supposed to. > >I think we all should band together, and send them a petition to >concentriate on servicing us poor saps that have invested our dollars on >their product. They could also post the new software fixes on their FTP >site and save us the waiting period for the CD....at least small upgrade >fixes would help a lot of us who use our systems to earn a living. I don't >even want to demo the Flyer until the software works... I am sure Newtek knows what our situation is on the users side. They have got a lot of bad feedback through compuserve and through the phone. I assume they have already calculate how damaging the current situation is for Flyer sales and know what they have to do to get the all Flyer thing back on track. The petition idea may help but I am sure they are now doing their best to make us happy. I also whish they would be on the Net to reply to all our Flyer mail.... Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Thu Apr 27 17:07:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA19112; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:34:10 -0700 Received: from sce.com by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA19068; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:34:03 -0700 From: mccabejc@sce.com Received: from D039582.sce.com by sce.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25641; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:41:46 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:41:46 -0700 Message-Id: <9504271941.AA25641@sce.com> X-Sender: mccabejc@sce.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: DV Buffers X-Mailer: Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Anybody know how to match the DV buffers on a Toaster 2000 ? I tried re-running Autohue (after deleting the HS file) with a camera into Input #1, but the DV1 and DV2 are still not matched. It seems to be mostly a luminance difference between the two. Any ideas ? Thanks. From owner-toaster-l Thu Apr 27 21:23:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA09686; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:37:41 -0700 Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA09639; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:37:20 -0700 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA09157; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:37:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:37:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199504272037.NAA09157@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) Subject: Re: Cameraman used wrong filter To: toaster-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list You wrote: > > >As the title says, MY CAMERAMAN USED A OUTDOUR FILTER >INDOORS!! Ugggggh. > >Is there a way I can fix this with my toaster? This >seems like the ideal thing for it to do. > Color correction has its limits. If the color balance is really off, there is almost nothing to do. You can get back some of the normal color spectrum by running the footage trough a TBC with color phase correction but it won't look great. I have never tried the Toaster Croma FX to fix this kind of problem and you may find a Chroma FX setting that could somewhat give you the same results. The next step would be to use high end film/video colorization system like the Da Vinci but you're speaking about big bucks here... Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Thu Apr 27 21:36:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA19096; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:42:08 -0700 Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA19066; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:42:01 -0700 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id KAA29461; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:41:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:41:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199504271741.KAA29461@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 SHIPS! (I hope...) To: toaster-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Joe wrote: Also, do any non-dealer/beta people have 4.02? Did mine get lost in the mail? Thanx... -- Joe No. It looks like Newtek decided to stop shipping 4.02 since most of the people who tried it found it worse than .94. I have heard that 4.03 will be the next upgrade they will ship. Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Fri Apr 28 07:47:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA01593; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 07:18:55 -0700 Received: from sce.com by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA01585; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 07:18:51 -0700 From: mccabejc@sce.com Received: from D039582.sce.com by sce.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA37083; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 07:19:00 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 07:19:00 -0700 Message-Id: <9504281419.AA37083@sce.com> X-Sender: mccabejc@sce.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: DV Buffers X-Mailer: Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Jeff Walkup replies: >Supposedly, there's an adjustment on the board that can fix this. You >might have to send it back to NewTek. Try calling them. That's what I'm hoping. For the last few days I've been in a phone tag loop with tech support (they always seem to return calls the following day when I'm out to lunch). Others have asked if I used the shortest cables into Input #1 and from the Program Out to Input #4. In both cases they were less than 3 feet. Thanks to all for the help. From owner-toaster-l Fri Apr 28 09:51:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id FAA01437; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 05:07:36 -0700 Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id FAA01228; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 05:06:07 -0700 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id FAA04582; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 05:05:20 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 05:05:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199504281205.FAA04582@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau) Subject: Re: DV Buffers To: mccabejc@sce.com Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list You wrote: > >Anybody know how to match the DV buffers on a Toaster 2000 ? I tried >re-running Autohue (after deleting the HS file) with a camera into Input #1, >but the DV1 and DV2 are still not matched. It seems to be mostly a luminance >difference between the two. Any ideas ? Thanks. > > Are you using the shortest cable possible when bridging toaster output to input #4? Thierry. -- ******************************************************* Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ******************************************************* From owner-toaster-l Fri Apr 28 09:56:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id IAA11793; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:34:26 -0700 Received: from allison.clark.net by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id WAA13597; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 22:22:36 -0700 Received: from allison.clark.net (jp@clark.net [168.143.0.7]) by allison.clark.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id BAA29463 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 01:23:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 01:23:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199504280523.BAA29463@allison.clark.net> X-Sender: jp@clark.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster-l@netcom.com From: jp@clark.net (Joe Parker) Subject: Re: Cameraman used wrong filter Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Jeez Thierry! Do you OWN this list now? :) Actually, those cheap Panasonic switchers all have color correcting joysticks on 'em. Presumably because the people likely to use 'em are the ones likely to screw up the white balance. wj-ave7, wj-mx50, etc. Why noone has written a software joystick that can make the toaster's chromafx do this is beyond me. Seems a natural. +Joe+ From owner-toaster-l Fri Apr 28 18:42:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id RAA06359; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 17:27:40 -0700 Received: from UVVM.UVic.CA by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA01431; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:21:38 -0700 Received: from UVVM.UVIC.CA by UVVM.UVic.CA (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7437; Fri, 28 Apr 95 16:21:57 PDT Received: from uvvm.uvic.ca (NJE origin ADICKESN@UVVM) by UVVM.UVIC.CA (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6414; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:21:57 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 16:14:31 PDT From: Allan Dickeson Subject: ReadPICT Difficulties To: toaster-l@netcom.com Message-Id: <950428.161431.PDT.ADICKESN@uvvm.uvic.ca> Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list I have a background in a PICT format that I wish to bring into the toaster domain. The manual describes a process of using "readPICT" routine that I have tried with no success. The file is on a PC formatted disk and I use the PC0: driver to read it. When the routine is called, the disk drive activates for about 15 sec. When I look into the paint program where the manual suggests the translated RGB image will not reside, there is nothing. I did have success with the "writePICT" routine in getting a lightwave generated image out of the Toaster buffer, but not the other way around. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Thanks for any help. Allan Dickeson University of Victoria From owner-toaster-l Fri Apr 28 18:42:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA17784; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:17:51 -0700 Received: from sce.com by mail3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA17259; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:15:21 -0700 From: mccabejc@sce.com Received: from D039582.sce.com by sce.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AB14258; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:11:11 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:11:11 -0700 Message-Id: <9504282211.AB14258@sce.com> X-Sender: mccabejc@sce.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: DV Buffers X-Mailer: Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Chuck Brotherton replies: >If you have a Toaster 4000 card running in an A-2000, you can try the >"alt-shift-F10" combination to get to the analog/digital setup screen (a >little thing you might have already heard of, which isn't supported in the >manual). This gives you more control over the "autohue" settings. > >If you have the original Toaster card, there's not much you can do. By "not much you can do" do you mean that there's no fix for the DV mismatch on the T2000 card, or just that you can't do anything with the setup screen ? I'm at the end of day 2 waiting for a response from Newtek on this. From owner-toaster-l Fri Apr 28 20:29:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA09312; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 18:04:26 -0700 Received: from kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu by mail3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA08927; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 18:02:07 -0700 Received: (af741@localhost) by kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.9/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id UAA27878; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 20:23:16 -0400 (from af741) Message-Id: <199504290023.UAA27878@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 20:23:16 -0400 From: af741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John E. Gray) To: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: 3.04 Available Reply-To: af741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John E. Gray) Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list The 3.04 version of the Flyer software is available on Newtek's FTP site (ftp.newtek.com). It's two DMS files, each between 700-800 k in size... I installed it, and it seems to correct alot of the stuttering we were having. Ooops.. excuse my dyslexia (and lack of editor). That should be the 4.03 version of the Flyer. ## From owner-toaster-l Sat Apr 29 10:06:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id JAA03146; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 09:57:20 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id VAA06750; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 21:05:47 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA05079; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 23:06:20 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Fri, 28 Apr 95 23:06 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Fri, 28 Apr 95 23:06 CDT Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 23:06:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 SHIPS! (I hope...) To: Thierry Humeau cc: toaster-l@netcom.com In-Reply-To: <199504271741.KAA29461@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, Thierry Humeau wrote: > No. It looks like Newtek decided to stop shipping 4.02 since most of the people > who tried it found it worse than .94. I have heard that 4.03 will be the next > upgrade they will ship. 4.03 starts shipping next week. Our dealership got ours today. ,-------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank MicroTech Solutions, Inc. / ( johnc@mcs.com Desktop Video Systems Dealer ( \ mtech1@mcs.com Store:708-851-3033 \ `-------------------------------------------------` From owner-toaster-l Sat Apr 29 10:17:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA03650; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:02:05 -0700 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id FAA27858; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 05:15:56 -0700 From: RME3D@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA192897766; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 08:16:06 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 08:16:06 -0400 Message-Id: <950429081605_100547116@aol.com> To: jangell@risd.edu, thierry@ix.netcom.com Cc: momar@cyberspace.com, toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: NEWTEK BBS Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list It seems to be working fine. AND the software is more superior, so it will take a little while to iron out the bugs. From owner-toaster-l Sat Apr 29 16:01:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA05021; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 13:58:43 -0700 Received: from mickey.risd.edu by mail4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA04898; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 13:58:12 -0700 Received: from minnie by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA10560; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 16:58:35 -0400 Received: by minnie.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA10099; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 16:59:37 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 16:58:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: 3.04 Available To: "John E. Gray" Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com In-Reply-To: <199504290023.UAA27878@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Fri, 28 Apr 1995, John E. Gray wrote: > The 3.04 version of the Flyer software is available on > Newtek's FTP site (ftp.newtek.com). It's two DMS files, each > between 700-800 k in size... > > I installed it, and it seems to correct alot of the > stuttering we were having. > > > Ooops.. excuse my dyslexia (and lack of editor). That > should be the 4.03 version of the Flyer. > ## I assumed a new CD would be going out with the upgrades -- 4.03 is actaully SHIPPING (according to NewTek, as of Thurs), early next week... Just a thought... (man, I wish I had REAL FTP funcitons...) -- Joe From owner-toaster-l Sun Apr 30 01:39:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id AAA25131; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 00:00:26 -0700 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by mail3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA25033; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 23:59:53 -0700 From: ALugones@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA099005201; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 03:00:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 03:00:02 -0400 Message-Id: <950430030000_101347060@aol.com> To: jangell@risd.edu, af741@cleveland.freenet.edu Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: 3.04 Available Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Fri, 28 Apr 1995, John E. Gray wrote: > The 3.04 version of the Flyer software is available on > Newtek's FTP site (ftp.newtek.com). It's two DMS files, each > between 700-800 k in size... > > I installed it, and it seems to correct alot of the > stuttering we were having. > > > Ooops.. excuse my dyslexia (and lack of editor). That > should be the 4.03 version of the Flyer. > ## Where can you get a hold of a DMS file to decompress the Flyer 4.03 files? From owner-toaster-l Sun Apr 30 10:22:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA08761; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 10:08:12 -0700 Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA19490; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 23:50:38 -0700 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 23:50:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Alyn Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Flyer 4.03 SHIPS! (I hope...) To: "John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc." cc: Thierry Humeau , toaster-l@netcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Fri, 28 Apr 1995, John Crookshank, MicroTech Solutions, Inc. wrote: > On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, Thierry Humeau wrote: > > > No. It looks like Newtek decided to stop shipping 4.02 since most of the people > > who tried it found it worse than .94. I have heard that 4.03 will be the next > > upgrade they will ship. > > 4.03 starts shipping next week. Our dealership got ours today. > > ,-------------------------------------------------, > / John Crookshank MicroTech Solutions, Inc. / > ( johnc@mcs.com Desktop Video Systems Dealer ( > \ mtech1@mcs.com Store:708-851-3033 \ > `-------------------------------------------------` > Installed 4.03 today. Works a lot better. Still some stuttering with heavy effects in sequence, but bearable. Audio "play from" works again. CG works better. Still a long way to go, but this version is a lot less buggy. Supposedly the format fix will allow Seagate 9 gigs to record on the hires mode a little easier. I find that after recording in hi res, I never want to go back to standard mode. It doesn't take up that much more drive storage, maybe 10-15%, but I think it brings the Flyer to lossless BetaSP level which is where it needs to be to compete with JPEG 4 to 1 compression level quality achieved by Avid AVR27, Media 100, Fast etc. Hi Res Flyer mode is as good as anything shown at NAB including the Night Suite Component system setup. I think it was a crucial move to offer this setting even though Drives that will handle it across all sectors may not be released for another couple of months. Everybody who sees my footage now cannot believe how clean it is. Now if we only had a timeline to manipulate it......... PS: I find that the most highly detailed footage in HiRes5 mode needs roughly 150k per frame to store, which is roughly what the Media 100 needs to record in its 3 to 1 mode. The advantage to VTASC is that it doesn't need that kind of data throughput except in rare cases where shot detail is high and is moving (i.e. shimmering leaves on trees). 150k per frame translates to 4.5 megs sustained throughput. I've just been testing IBM 4 gig drives that can handle 5.2 megs sustained! They'll be released in a couple of months. So an even higher VTASC quality level could be right around the corner. Newtek needs 8 megs minimum sustained to achieve their so called lossless D2, I think we're at least six months away from that. Kevin Elders From owner-toaster-l Sun Apr 30 10:41:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA11923; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 10:33:26 -0700 Received: by netcom3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA11914; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 10:33:22 -0700 From: djmccoy (Daniel J. McCoy) Message-Id: <199504301733.KAA11914@netcom3.netcom.com> Subject: ADMIN: NEWTEK WEB CORRECTION AGAIN To: toaster-l@netcom.com Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 10:33:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 439 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list I THOUGHT I fixed the reference to the NewTek WWW site! Despite what the Weekly Reminder says, the NewTek WWW site is: http://www.newtek.com/ I've made the correction this morning so it won't happen again. If it does, I'll force myself to watch the OJ Simpson trial all week! NNNOOOOOO!!! -- Daniel J. McCoy BIX: dmccoy Internet : djmccoy@primenet.com, djmccoy@netcom.com, dan@acti.com From owner-toaster-l Sun Apr 30 10:51:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: by netcom3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA11507; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 10:29:50 -0700 Received: by netcom3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA11483; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 10:29:44 -0700 From: djmccoy (Daniel J. McCoy) Message-Id: <199504301729.KAA11483@netcom3.netcom.com> Subject: ADMIN: Weekly Reminder To: toaster-l@netcom.com Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 10:29:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2944 Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Last Update : April 22, 1995 This message is to serve as a reminder that this mailing list is oriented towards topics on the Video Toaster and Toaster Flyer. Messages really meant as private e-mail should be directed to that person's internet address rather than the list. Also, please use proper netiquette. Not everyone enjoys messages that have previous messages quoted verbatim. Not everyone has 132 column terminals. Please don't feel there's too many restrictions though. This mailing list is meant for exchange of information. Also keep in mind that your replies go directly to the author of the message you are replying to. If you wish to have the reply directed to the mailing list, you should use your e-mail software to change the address that the message is going to rather than adding the mailing list in the cc: field (carbon copy). By including it in the cc: field, the author of the message that you are replying to will get TWO copies of the message. Posting ------- To post messages to the list, send e-mail to "toaster-l@netcom.com". Subscription Information ------------------------ To subscribe to this list, send e-mail to "listserv@netcom.com". In the body of the message, include the following: subscribe toaster-l end Don't include the '<' or '>' if you with to subscribe a different address other than the one you're posting from. To unsubscribe from the list, follow the steps above to subscribe but substitute "subscribe" with "unsubscribe" in the message body. FTP Message Archives -------------------- Message archives are stored on tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu in /pub/lw/toaster-l. Towards the beginning of every month, previous month's messages are archived and, thanks to Keith at Tomahawk, stored away so anyone can get to them. Questions or Other Items ------------------------ Questions and other list items can be directed to djmccoy@netcom.com or owner-toaster-l@netcom.com NewTek has a WWW site! You can use http://www.netcom.com with a Web browser and have some fun. Lightwave Mailing List ---------------------- If you're interested in the Lightwave mailing list, you can subscribe by following the directions above under 'Subscription Information". Instead of sending "subscribe toaster-l", substitute "toaster-l" with "lightwave-l". Alternatively, if you have access to the Usenet newsgroups, take a look at comp.graphics.packages.lightwave. -- Daniel J. McCoy BIX: dmccoy Internet : djmccoy@primenet.com, djmccoy@netcom.com, dan@acti.com From owner-toaster-l Sun Apr 30 16:23:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA21015; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 14:39:30 -0700 Received: from metrix.metrobbs.com by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA20952; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 14:38:44 -0700 From: toastguy@clubmet.metrobbs.com Received: from clubmet.metrobbs.com (operator@localhost) by metrix.metrobbs.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with UUCP id IAA02126 for toaster-l@netcom.com; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 08:33:46 -0500 Received: by clubmet.metrobbs.com (UUPM-1.51) id D3799cG Sun, Apr 30, 1995 16:30:17 EDT Message-Id: <9504301630.D3799cG@clubmet.metrobbs.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: toaster-l@netcom.com Subject: Flyer Clip Question Organization: Metropolis BBS - Martech Software, Inc. Date: Sun, 30 Apr 95 16:30:15 EST Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list I understand that flyer clips must be more than 10 frames per clip at this time. Is this correct? How do you make quick edits with the flyer? Is anyone using a 060 beta with the Flyer. I understand that if you choose a rendered DVE and there is not enough time to load, the Flyer won;t allow the effect choice. Will an 060 chip address this? I appreciate any information you can provide. TIA. All the way from Lawrence, Kansas about 20 minutes from NewTek and the silicon prairie From owner-toaster-l Sun Apr 30 23:32:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id WAA06604; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 22:30:26 -0700 Received: from mickey.risd.edu by mail.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id WAA06478; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 22:29:23 -0700 Received: from minnie by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA17122; Mon, 1 May 1995 01:29:32 -0400 Received: by minnie.risd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA12977; Mon, 1 May 1995 01:30:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 01:27:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Angell Subject: Re: Flyer Clip Question To: toastguy@clubmet.metrobbs.com Cc: toaster-l@netcom.com In-Reply-To: <9504301630.D3799cG@clubmet.metrobbs.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-toaster-l@netcom.com Precedence: list On Sun, 30 Apr 1995 toastguy@clubmet.metrobbs.com wrote: > > I understand that flyer clips must be more than 10 frames per clip at > this time. Is this correct? How do you make quick edits with the > flyer? > > Is anyone using a 060 beta with the Flyer. I understand that if you > choose a rendered DVE and there is not enough time to load, the Flyer > won;t allow the effect choice. Will an 060 chip address this? Sorry, but that's actaully a limitation of loading the image into the Toaster itseld, not the CPU (as far as I can tell). Flyer 4.02+ lets you save out VTASC stills from TPaint, but they still must be 10 frames (I think -- My 4.03 isn't here yet...) If you want shorter sequences, you'll need to use TPaint or LW and render out a 10+ frame clip of the short stuff (shouldn't take TOO long...) > All the way from Lawrence, Kansas > about 20 minutes from NewTek and the silicon prairie Lucky you! -- Joe