Here are some other programs worth looking at: AmigaXv: Is a quite decent (some say great..) image manipulation program that supports GIF, JPEG, TIFF, PBM, PGM, PPM, X11 bitmap, RLE, PDS/VICAR, Sun Rasterfile, BMP, PCX, IRIS RGB, XPM, Targa, XWD, PostScript, PhotoCD and PM. A several image operators is also available. The program can be found on aminet as AmigaXv210.lha in gfx/edit. Not much support for this program so I will be surprised if a newer version should show up..(Interpret as: sporadic improvements, no new aminet versions..) Fractint : THE fractal program. 'nothing compares 2 U'.. It can render a stunning amount of different fractal types and also do some nice 3d effects. If you are looking for a mandelbrot/julia only program there are probably other programs out there, but if you want more, this one is it! It is available on aminet in gfx/fract as fractint26.lha. fzoom.lha is a program that will generate a script file for use with fractint to make fractint create fractal animations. Not much support for this program either, but a version of the latest pc version (19) has been made. XAnim: A great program by Mark Podlipec for viewing a huge number of different animation formats among them Quicktime, AVI, FLI/FLC, IFF and then some.. My port of xanim is available on aminet as xanim8.lha in gfx/show. Xmgr: The best dataplotting manipulation tool around (fairly objective statement..) + Polynomial regression, splines, running averages, DFT/FFT, cross/auto-correlation. + Plots up to 10 graphs with 30 datasets per graph. + User-defined scaling, tick marks, labels, symbols, line styles, colors. + Batch mode for unattended plotting. + Read and write parameters used during a session. + Support through device independent graphic drivers for PostScript, and FrameMaker .mif format. It's available on aminet as xmgr2.lha in misc/sci. Xfig: A nice structured drawing program. "Xfig can produce output in several different formats: Encapsulated PostScript, IBM-GL (HP/GL), Pic, PiCTeX, LaTeX, box, epic, eepic, eepicemu, textyl, tpic, X11 Bitmap, X11 Pixmap and gif." Look for xfig4.lha on aminet. Smaller programs include: xconq: a war strategy game. xasteroids: an asteroids type of game. xdaliclock: a 'morphing' clock. xspringies: A spring simulation system. TP